**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 10 02:59:57 2011 Mar 10 03:05:59 hello all ! guys maybe unrelated to maemo, but is there a smaller image for debian chroot ? something less than that 300MB thing, that btw is ext2 and gets corrupted as soon as I try to update it ? Mar 10 03:58:49 is there any other way to do wifi or bluetooth tethering other than paid apps such as joiku? Mar 10 03:59:12 yes, slirp Mar 10 04:00:54 thanks ds3, not getting much on google, do you know of some keywords or tutorials? Mar 10 04:08:59 yea, nothing :( Mar 10 04:09:43 just slirp Mar 10 04:10:15 just have the bluetooth stuff listen for a rfcomm connection and have it spawn slirp instead of the other thing Mar 10 04:15:10 here is a good resource http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 10 04:16:36 Hello all! Mar 10 04:17:39 I'm helping a friend with android, and it makes me that much more amazed with Maemo Mar 10 04:18:46 Does android have anything even resembling "Conversations"? Mar 10 04:20:31 It's so sad.. I suddenly wished that instead of all the efforts to port android -> N900, people were porting Maemo to these beautiful android phones Mar 10 04:20:50 How is the N900 better than the HTC Desire Z? Why can't I have maemo on that? Mar 10 04:58:05 anyone get extkbd to work? I can't seem to get any keyboards to work... although I only have 2 Mar 10 05:05:30 hajmola: works for me I ... Mar 10 06:41:33 Samsung tries its hand at poaching disgruntled Symbian devs for Bada Mar 10 06:41:38 No wonder... Mar 10 06:42:27 I thought samsung had another more maemo type initiative iirc Mar 10 06:42:35 i.e. a full stack from the ground up Mar 10 06:42:42 not Bada Mar 10 06:46:48 anybody know if ogg files are supposed to work in the stock n900 media player? I recall it working at some point, but it doesn't now Mar 10 06:46:55 I think I have extra codecs and whatnot installed Mar 10 06:53:42 budfive: no ogg-support out of the box. Installing ogg-support from extras should bring in the ogg support to media player Mar 10 06:54:12 kulve: hmmm. Any idea how to debug it? ogg-support is installed, but no ogg files show up Mar 10 06:55:14 if you have a lot of oggs, it can take a while before they show up Mar 10 06:56:45 oggs - things from chickon? Mar 10 06:56:49 has anyone noticed that when you play the first song (happens on more than one) the media player will stop part way into the song. Mar 10 06:56:56 plays through fine if you start it over Mar 10 06:57:15 is it possible to Hold/Unhold command to Dialer via a script? Mar 10 06:58:20 The only way to get a decent sip call is to do the above in dialer, and i would like to map it to the camera key Mar 10 07:01:46 kulve: hmm. reinstalling ogg-support made it work.... Mar 10 07:03:33 well, good that it works now :) Mar 10 07:04:50 ~> Mar 10 07:04:50 somebody said > was redirection of stdout to a file. Mar 10 07:04:53 ~>~. Mar 10 07:05:07 blah Mar 10 07:16:45 is there an application that can will let me draw/write on pictures taken from my n900's camera? Mar 10 07:18:37 MyPaint Mar 10 07:18:51 allthough it's more of a stylus painting program Mar 10 07:19:02 with large brush selections Mar 10 07:19:10 visz: I like MyPaint it's just that it's a bit too resource intensive Mar 10 07:19:18 visz: sorry I should have said that Mar 10 07:19:24 visz: great program by the way Mar 10 07:19:25 =) Mar 10 07:20:10 can you write text with ansel-a? Mar 10 07:20:17 i rather like that program Mar 10 07:20:39 I haven't tried it yet :) Mar 10 07:20:48 it's a bit like lightroom Mar 10 07:20:56 http://ansela.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 10 07:21:17 I was checking it out, looks nice Mar 10 07:21:23 after you dropped the name Mar 10 07:21:49 I've decided to install the latest firefox but after that's finished downloading I'll try it out Mar 10 07:22:30 haven't had that installed for a while Mar 10 07:22:37 ansel-a Mar 10 07:22:43 # EXIF-Browser-with-maps Mar 10 07:23:24 not exactly what I was looking for but well it might be good to have Mar 10 07:29:37 Hi, is there any alternate locatino to download the latest n810 firmware image? tablets-dev.nokia.com is refusing my n810 WLAN id Mar 10 07:29:41 visz: I think I'll just stick with MyPaint for the time being Mar 10 07:29:48 fyuu Mar 10 07:29:51 kahvi jäöäty Mar 10 07:29:56 visz: thank you Mar 10 07:29:57 right on Mar 10 07:42:27 sup Mar 10 08:03:13 Are there any known /software/ issues with wlan? My N810 locks up and then reboots whenever it scans for networks, so I'm guessing it might be hw Mar 10 08:17:55 I am trying to install PyQt 4 Demo but I am getting this error: "Unable to install 'PyQt4 Demo'. Some application packages required for the installation are missing". the details button show the followings: python2.5-qt4-core, python2.5-qt4-xml and python2.5-qt4-gui Mar 10 08:49:37 is PyQt4 Demo broken? Mar 10 09:04:34 anyone here familiar w/ apache logging? Mar 10 09:10:03 Moorning, people Mar 10 09:10:11 morning Mar 10 09:10:45 morning Mar 10 09:11:29 Morning Mar 10 09:11:33 morning Mar 10 09:12:11 RST38h: I never had a reply to that email you sent that guy about his SIP client. Mar 10 09:12:16 Did you hear anything? Mar 10 09:15:24 is PyQt4 Demo broken? Mar 10 09:19:10 timeless_xchat: whats up? Mar 10 09:22:40 alterego: Eh? Mar 10 09:22:44 alterego: Ah that Mar 10 09:23:13 hum ... i ve a software architecture question, the next version of khweeteur will retrieve tweets in background, should i made a daemon running all time, or try to use alarmd. Then how to warn the gui, communicate via dbus, or made my own rpc call ? Mar 10 09:23:14 :) Mar 10 09:23:47 the problem i see using dbus is that it s not available on win Mar 10 09:23:48 alterego: He has been hit by a bus and is currently traveling on its windshield Mar 10 09:24:23 alterego: Will probably come back to reality once the bus stops. Mar 10 09:24:46 Khertan: I'd just have another thred Mar 10 09:24:47 Khertan: why do you want it as a seperate service? Mar 10 09:25:28 Khertan: but if there is a good reason, dbus signals would be cool, as other people can integrate Mar 10 09:26:15 RST38h: heh, fair enough, I was just wondering because I had some issues with my dns which would have effected my email last week. Mar 10 09:40:14 alterego: ... indeed ... but no real interest in fact :) Mar 10 09:44:28 Mark Pincus has amassed a $US1 billion fortune (Farmville, CityVille, Mafia Wars) Mar 10 09:45:34 wow, nice bit of useless info Mar 10 09:48:37 Khertan, not RPC -- AT ALL Mar 10 09:48:46 Khertan, you probably meant IPC Mar 10 09:49:14 shows scope of online gaming psycho_oreos Mar 10 09:49:42 Khertan: well, if you ever feel the need to write a desktop widget as well ;) Mar 10 09:50:05 Khertan, I'd suggest using DBus. It's relatively well-documented, however, your first assertion is not the right one: you shouldn't use a daemon just to retrieve tweets in the background. That's called a thread. If you include a daemon in Khweeteur, I'm removing it from my N900 ;) Mar 10 09:50:37 pupnik, more like how someone made fortune from online gaming, I wonder how relevant is that compared to maemo stuff :p Mar 10 09:50:56 psycho_oreos, dude, this is #maemo, off-topic is the new on-topic. Mar 10 09:51:53 crashanddie, *sigh* Mar 10 09:56:14 CONCLUSION: In order for Maemo/Meego to be successful, we need to figure out how to associate it with online gaming Mar 10 09:56:25 s/gaming/gambling. Mar 10 09:56:58 Heh Mar 10 09:57:18 * RST38h guesses pornography wouldn't hurt either Mar 10 09:57:37 RST38h: but Nokia already folded :P Mar 10 09:57:49 crashanddie: indeed ipc :) Mar 10 09:58:36 crashanddie: this is for providing dm and mentions notifications even if khweeteur is close Mar 10 09:58:44 crashanddie: but it ll be optionnal of course Mar 10 09:59:17 alterego: Does nto matter, as long as there is gambling and pornography! =) Mar 10 10:01:21 and warez? Mar 10 10:01:23 crashanddie: the next version will use qml :) Mar 10 10:01:28 maybe we should start condoning the piracy? Mar 10 10:18:58 nid0: i'll ask after lunch Mar 10 10:19:21 i need log files to be owned by a certain group Mar 10 10:35:23 probably nothing new to you, but an interesting read nonetheless: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Nokia-and-open-source-a-trial-by-fire-1194928.html Mar 10 11:22:27 hi there Mar 10 11:23:29 shit article Mar 10 11:27:42 ? Mar 10 11:35:59 any article about the Nokia/MS deal that talks about Nokia now being just a MS OEM is a shit article Mar 10 11:40:59 Lava_Croft: Det real gripe people have, I guess, is that Nokia keeps so quiet about their official plans, etc. There is no clear roadmap for Meego now, and people are wary about going for it. Mar 10 11:42:04 Personally, if I were a developer, I'd be reluctant to target Meego now, and this will be the demise of Meego unless someone actually says "yes, Meego is a primary platform for us for the immediate and long-term time-frame" Mar 10 11:43:28 i dont see how this is related, unless the relation is being angry and therefore making really dumb remarks, like the writer of that article Mar 10 11:43:31 :) Mar 10 11:43:57 i dont think it's exactly fair to nokia either Mar 10 12:09:35 DocScrutinizer: pong - but I'm at #qcon so a little disconnected Mar 10 12:09:54 whatever qcon is Mar 10 12:11:04 I gather it's some happening in HEL, so part of my ping is moot Mar 10 12:12:08 at least it's no widely popular IRC chan :-P Mar 10 12:12:46 its not in HEL Mar 10 12:12:52 DocScrutinizer: Sorry, it's a conference in London Mar 10 12:12:53 think its in london? Mar 10 12:13:06 * Jaffa nods. Mar 10 12:13:06 thought it was quakecon first, was disappointed when it wasnt :< Mar 10 12:13:17 heh Mar 10 12:13:33 ;) Mar 10 12:15:19 Jaffa: how's negotiations with Nokia? Mar 10 12:20:21 DocScrutinizer: I (personally) haven't had a chance to touch base with qgil yet this week. Will try to do so today. Mar 10 12:21:03 Jaffa: fine :-) Mar 10 12:30:07 * DocScrutinizer frowns at his English skills getting worse year by year, rather than better. Wonders what to do to counteract that. For sure IRC isn't the place to practice Mar 10 12:30:55 DocScrutinizer, if it makes you feel any better, I'm an american expat with the same problem Mar 10 12:31:15 talking with Americans from where I'm from certainly isn't the way to improve it Mar 10 12:32:18 :-) Mar 10 12:32:26 nice nick, btw Mar 10 12:39:12 Doc: Move to US! Mar 10 12:39:35 Doc: Start going to born-again christian conventions! Mar 10 12:42:55 can't see moving the the US helping people to speak English ;) Mar 10 12:49:07 lardman: ++ Mar 10 12:49:19 heh DocScrutinizer that pic in you tmo avatar is you ? Mar 10 12:49:31 My German is pretty poor now as I never get to speak it Mar 10 12:50:01 in fact it was better at school than when I was at uni, despite doing some of my engineering courses in German Mar 10 12:50:22 arschloch (probably misspelled) is the only word I know :p Mar 10 12:50:23 that pic is one of my avatars. The instance typing this is another one Mar 10 12:50:44 MohammadAG: perfect Mar 10 12:51:49 Oh and wassar Mar 10 12:52:01 DocScrutinizer: heh i was thinking of what badass guy Mar 10 12:52:08 well, for me at least. Going anal, dome German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital Mar 10 12:52:37 Asshole is a noun that needs captilaism? Mar 10 12:52:39 s/dom/som/ Mar 10 12:52:39 DocScrutinizer meant: well, for me at least. Going anal, some German profs might claim it's a noun an needs capital Mar 10 12:53:15 Assholes need capitalism, yes Mar 10 12:54:11 well, see what's my initial statement. I just mean upper case first letter Mar 10 12:57:46 MohammadAG: Mar 10 12:57:50 ~x de en Wasser Mar 10 12:57:53 water Mar 10 13:00:06 capitalization is the word Mar 10 13:01:21 ~spell captilaism Mar 10 13:01:23 possible spellings for captilaism: capitalism capitalist capitalism's capitals capital's capitalize Mar 10 13:03:35 ~spell capsialism Mar 10 13:03:37 possible spellings for capsialism: capitalism specialism capitalist cannibalism racialism capitalism's capitals socialism capital's capsules capitalize capsulize capsule's Mar 10 13:04:24 she's quite creative :-) Mar 10 13:04:31 <_berto_> ~spell meego Mar 10 13:04:32 possible spellings for meego: me ego me-ego MEGO Meg meg Margo Meggi merge meek mega Meggy meager merger MEGOs Meggie Mg Moog ergo mg Magi Magoo Megen magi EEG ego Mag MiG mag mug meeker megs Eggo Lego meed meet memo mango Meg's meg's Mar 10 13:05:01 merger, hey Mar 10 13:05:11 lol Mar 10 13:05:27 Magoo always been my fav Mar 10 13:05:37 <_berto_> ~spell elop Mar 10 13:05:39 possible spellings for elop: elope lop Eloy clop flop glop plop slop Mar 10 13:05:46 <_berto_> flop Mar 10 13:05:47 <_berto_> hmmmm Mar 10 13:05:49 flop haha Mar 10 13:05:52 MrFlop Mar 10 13:06:11 I thought that's been the right spelling from beginning Mar 10 13:07:09 Maeblin sounds better than Magoo Mar 10 13:07:12 you know those games "take away one match to make this a correct word" Mar 10 13:08:29 MeEgo Mar 10 13:09:37 * SpeedEvil Meows. Mar 10 13:11:49 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=Mr+Flop Mar 10 13:14:59 moin SpeedEvil Mar 10 13:30:07 the e71 transflective display is fantastically readable in sunlight Mar 10 13:31:20 7act Mar 10 13:31:23 Grr- Mar 10 13:32:39 short password Mar 10 13:36:46 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/221770/apple_releases_xcode_4_puts_it_for_sale_on_the_app_store.html Mar 10 13:36:53 * Macer facepalms apple Mar 10 13:37:14 Stop facepalming religious icons! Mar 10 13:37:48 you know.. you just get to the point where it seems like gas prices are $4/gallon Mar 10 13:37:52 oh.... wait.... Mar 10 13:38:37 * ruskie notes that gas prices around here have beet 1eur+/L for a while now Mar 10 13:42:18 yeap Mar 10 13:42:24 * Khertan notes that gas prices around here is near 2eur+/L Mar 10 13:42:36 owwww Mar 10 13:43:01 get ready for inflation Mar 10 13:43:48 each time gas rise 0.1 ... gov take 0.089 ... so total is 0.189 Mar 10 13:43:54 welcome to francre Mar 10 13:43:57 france Mar 10 13:44:44 well they seem to try and maintain the prices a bit more in check here with their gas tax Mar 10 13:44:56 why not buy a electric car? Mar 10 13:45:08 to few charging points? Mar 10 13:45:11 not enough range? Mar 10 13:45:13 too Mar 10 13:45:16 eh? Mar 10 13:45:18 Dassu: because i need a range larger than 50km Mar 10 13:45:48 perheps there are ele cars with range more than 50km Mar 10 13:45:53 Why not move to a city with petroleum powered transport network and get all your stuff delivered by petroleum powered couriers? Oh, wait. /o\ Mar 10 13:46:04 dunno,@I have never driven a car Mar 10 13:46:07 for my daily trip I'd need 12km range... each day and that's just home->work->home Mar 10 13:46:10 Khertan: Do not drive, walk Mar 10 13:46:15 French Car constructor here just change the gas motor by an electric one without thinking more ... Mar 10 13:46:16 Do not fly either Mar 10 13:46:21 12km is within cycling distance. Mar 10 13:46:23 and I don't want to charge it every day Mar 10 13:46:28 RST38h: i take the train ... but the train here use also gaz :) Mar 10 13:46:32 FauxFaux, 6km one way Mar 10 13:46:47 * RST38h does not understand why people need to drive or fly huge distances. Raise the fuel prices, pin them to their current locations, it is safer this way Mar 10 13:46:48 That's, like, 20, 25 minutes. Mar 10 13:46:49 FauxFaux, and no... I'm tired of cycling in wind, rain, snow, Mar 10 13:46:59 * pupnik notes that cycling is fun and refreshing Mar 10 13:47:00 Will save you on security measures at the airports, too Mar 10 13:47:06 RST38h: Good thing tourism isn't the only interest in many places. Mar 10 13:47:09 I used to cycle each day to work and back Mar 10 13:47:10 *industry Mar 10 13:47:11 RST38h: give me a telecommute work ! :) Mar 10 13:47:15 always ~6km Mar 10 13:47:20 one way Mar 10 13:47:22 Faux: there is also alcoholism, indeed Mar 10 13:47:26 takes me like 15-20 min Mar 10 13:47:28 BUT Mar 10 13:47:38 I had to replace my tires every 6 months Mar 10 13:47:48 replace the inflation tubes every two weeks Mar 10 13:47:54 * pupnik biked year round in minnesota Mar 10 13:47:58 because nobody cleans the bike routes... Mar 10 13:48:05 so they are full of glass and other crap Mar 10 13:48:13 and then there's the nice people that will stab the tire... Mar 10 13:48:15 the only appealing electric car i know is : http://www.teslamotors.com/models Mar 10 13:48:26 ruskie i hate those people Mar 10 13:48:28 And how do you charge it? Mar 10 13:48:39 And, btw, how much pollutants did it take to build the battery? Mar 10 13:48:50 ruskie: do not complain you have bike route ... there isn't were i live :) Mar 10 13:49:04 Khertan, only part of the way Mar 10 13:49:08 480Km range Mar 10 13:49:13 part of the way is on a rather dangerous part of the road Mar 10 13:49:23 ow... and when there is snow... I might get to work in the morning Mar 10 13:49:27 but getting home will become impossible Mar 10 13:49:42 because all the snow ploughs will dump all the excess snow ON the bike paths... Mar 10 13:50:43 and it's not like I have a city/trekking/road bike... Mar 10 13:50:52 no I drive around on a mountain bike Mar 10 13:51:09 have rather chunky tires... and even that doesn't really help Mar 10 13:52:05 and of course there's the constant issue of drivers actually NOT respecting right of way for bikes... so a crash is always an option Mar 10 13:52:31 and carrying around quite a few tools to be able to always fix a flat is not fun as well Mar 10 13:52:51 I might try to bike to work during the summer though... Mar 10 13:53:06 but depends on the weather Mar 10 13:53:47 note to self: go buy yourself a bigger bik seat before actually trying to bike again... Mar 10 13:54:01 ~seen javispedro Mar 10 13:54:11 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 14h 15m 8s ago, saying: 'call the fire brigade'. Mar 10 13:56:50 d # backspace backspace # Mar 10 13:57:17 awesome way to do hold=another char Mar 10 13:57:17 whatever Mar 10 13:57:17 * FIQ|n900 prefers keyboard repeat Mar 10 14:02:00 e71 screen is more readable in sun than n900 Mar 10 14:11:45 pupnik: but N900 screen is still more readable than most android phones I have seen =D Mar 10 14:19:01 After updating to PR1.3, did anyone find their network connection (mobile) became less reliable? Mar 10 14:19:03 nu med sidevognsbevis! :) Mar 10 14:19:14 sorry.. wrong chan Mar 10 14:19:18 dashavoo: no Mar 10 14:19:42 SpeedEvil: shame... there must be more wrong with my phone than just the broken screen and loose USB :( Mar 10 14:20:00 and impossible lock code ;) Mar 10 14:23:01 dashavoo: where are you? Mar 10 14:23:33 SpeedEvil: UK Mar 10 14:23:57 dashavoo: Yiouhave a 2 year warranty Mar 10 14:24:17 Not forthebroken screen though Mar 10 14:24:18 SpeedEvil: yes, but the broken screen isn't covered by that Mar 10 14:24:21 yeah Mar 10 14:24:32 I'm trying to sort that out with insurance company Mar 10 14:25:43 lol... Mar 10 14:26:23 As i don't have access to my desktop, i changed mouse settings (so i have the new active when i login locally next time) Mar 10 14:27:04 Also, lxappearance wanted to change my mouse on my _current_ X session :P Mar 10 14:27:11 so i got a mouse in Maemo randomly Mar 10 14:27:42 must have been a small mouse to fit inside the n900 Mar 10 14:27:44 Ofc it will disappear on reboot, as the settings was made only remotely - it just wanted to change it seamless but did it on wrong session Mar 10 14:27:57 er Mar 10 14:28:03 cursor* Mar 10 14:28:09 happy now? :p Mar 10 14:28:18 :D Mar 10 14:28:45 so now i have a blue mouse inside X-chat :D Mar 10 14:28:54 hi there Mar 10 14:29:04 Hi deno Mar 10 14:30:22 do you know how could it be possible that after uninstalling a library, modifiying it and reinstalling it,the program uses the old lib? Mar 10 14:33:28 deno: it depends on how it was compiled Mar 10 14:33:47 dashavoo, what do you mean? Mar 10 14:33:52 it was compiled well Mar 10 14:34:00 in scratchbox it works Mar 10 14:34:09 transfering it on the phone doesn't Mar 10 14:35:41 deno, static vs dynamic linking Mar 10 14:35:59 sorry, I was going to go into more detail, but people in the office have noticed I'm not working ;) Mar 10 14:36:02 ciao Mar 10 14:36:06 see you Mar 10 14:36:09 ciao :P Mar 10 14:36:10 thx anyway Mar 10 14:37:30 huh Mar 10 14:38:06 In my settings, i have a menu item, "Remove operator lock" Mar 10 14:38:10 Why do i have it? Mar 10 14:38:17 I didn't have it before reflash Mar 10 14:45:20 are you sure? Mar 10 14:47:58 actually you *might* have found sth. Maybe that's one of the nowhere documented little differences between the different local version of firmware image Mar 10 14:53:30 any idea why N810 gives "Not enough memory in target location" when trying to save stuff (.debs so far) into the memory cards from MicroB? it waits a while, then it says that. "df" also takes a while before showing /media/mmc1. fsck.vfat shows no problems. i'm running the community SSU Mar 10 14:54:19 X-Fade: ping Mar 10 14:54:45 LjL: I had that when $MYDOCSDIR was changed. Mar 10 14:54:56 merlin1991: pong Mar 10 14:55:40 Jaffa: it is currently /home/user/MyDocs... Mar 10 14:55:42 Jaffa meant you handle the #maemo cloaks? Mar 10 14:56:19 merlin1991: On a good day, yes. Mar 10 14:56:29 today is a bad day? Mar 10 14:56:32 hehe Mar 10 14:56:49 X-Fade: 5here was a discussion about having some CSSU cloaks Mar 10 14:57:03 as you're both online, the day might be rather good Mar 10 14:57:20 Jaffa: Can I deputize you to create a list? :) Mar 10 14:58:27 /stats p :-/ Mar 10 14:58:40 * X-Fade hands out a nice badge to Jaffa Mar 10 14:58:49 Ta. :) Mar 10 15:00:10 this list afaik needs account details for each user applying for a cloak Mar 10 15:02:11 * DocScrutinizer just wonders why CSSU needs own cloaks. Not that it matters... Mar 10 15:08:51 Cloak ? Mar 10 15:16:19 can i get a CSSU cloak? Mar 10 15:21:22 what is a cloak? Sorry if it is a really obvious question. Mar 10 15:21:41 dashavoo: /whois kerio Mar 10 15:21:50 See rm_work entering the room Mar 10 15:21:53 the thing that's there instead of my hostname is a cloak Mar 10 15:21:56 indeed Mar 10 15:22:00 It said '(03:19:52 PM) rm_work [~rm_you@216-188-248-24.dyn.grandenetworks.net] entered the room.' Mar 10 15:22:09 (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room. Mar 10 15:22:11 compare with Mar 10 15:22:26 yeah how come I don't have a hostmask :P Mar 10 15:22:32 I can tell that rm_you is on (03:14:04 PM) TomaszD [~tom@Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD] entered the room. Mar 10 15:22:33 kerio: aaah right Mar 10 15:22:42 And run nmap/... against him Mar 10 15:22:44 I always knew it as a host alias Mar 10 15:22:49 i bet TomaszD is using ipv9 Mar 10 15:23:13 ipv9 is old news Mar 10 15:23:19 I run on ipv12 Mar 10 15:23:27 ooh that's how you get that fancy hostname Mar 10 15:23:32 yup Mar 10 15:23:32 Interesting ports on 216-188-248-24.dyn.grandenetworks.net (216.188.248.24): Mar 10 15:23:33 Not shown: 989 closed ports ... Mar 10 15:24:01 I'd better have a hostmask with all these hackers around here Mar 10 15:24:02 In principle, it adds some security Mar 10 15:24:18 ping: cannot resolve Maemo/community/contributor/TomaszD: Unknown host ;_; Mar 10 15:24:59 [2011-03-10 16:07:56] re Anyone who wants a CSSU cloak, email me ---- please include a complete copy of /msg nickserv info as that's the info needed for issuing a cloak --- see related IRC channel Mar 10 15:25:49 kerio: fool, that's the whole purpose of a cloak - as the name implies Mar 10 15:26:00 :P Mar 10 15:26:09 DocScrutinizer: *wooooooooooooooosh* Mar 10 15:27:56 it s funny ... starting WireShark make my n900 reboot when connected to usb Mar 10 15:27:57 ... Mar 10 15:27:58 ... Mar 10 15:27:59 ... Mar 10 15:28:05 duh Mar 10 15:28:17 lol Mar 10 15:28:29 am i going to have to rework my network security at home? :P Mar 10 15:28:52 SpeedEvil: how many open ports did you see thar? Mar 10 15:29:44 a full nmap can't complete in such short time Mar 10 15:29:51 i ve rework mine this morning ... forgot the -r on shutdown ... Mar 10 15:31:00 Hmm, AFAICT, none of the nominations for the Council have been accepted yet, have they? Mar 10 15:31:20 80/22/21/8080/443/389/3128 Mar 10 15:31:34 rm_work: you have many service running :) Mar 10 15:32:00 Yeah, 80/22/21/8080/443 sound right Mar 10 15:32:10 389 and 3128 i'll have to check Mar 10 15:32:37 oups ... i whois you rm_work nickname Mar 10 15:32:37 :) Mar 10 15:32:40 rm_work: you know there's public services for that Mar 10 15:32:54 (portscan) Mar 10 15:35:12 [Notice] -NickServ- Email : noemail Mar 10 15:35:23 I doubt this will fly for a cloak Mar 10 15:35:38 lol Mar 10 15:35:41 there's [Notice] -NickServ- Flags : HideMail Mar 10 15:41:17 NB you need to properly config your IRC client to authenticate to nickserv *prior* to entering any channel/room, otherwise such a cloak is nonsense and doesn't help Mar 10 15:43:42 the recommended method for freenode is to use : as the server password which virtually all clients can transmit when logging in to a IRC server Mar 10 15:44:58 rm_work: 11 Mar 10 15:45:06 lol Mar 10 15:45:28 hi all Mar 10 15:45:45 SpeedEvil: cool. don't hack me or i'll be sad :P Mar 10 15:46:34 :) Mar 10 15:46:54 I only hack people to make them happy, so OK. Mar 10 15:47:00 lolol Mar 10 15:47:40 any hint on how it is possible to remove the "You: " in the conversations js/html/css ? Mar 10 15:50:28 hello! Mar 10 15:50:53 i'm trying to install xfoil, an engineering software, on n900 Mar 10 15:51:11 for now, i'm just trying with the readme file, included in the package Mar 10 15:51:34 now it ask me a Fortran compiler on your system Mar 10 15:51:45 *on my system Mar 10 15:51:58 where can i find, a fortran compiler? Mar 10 15:53:29 f77 Mar 10 15:55:03 apt-get install f77? Mar 10 15:55:16 couldn't find :( Mar 10 15:56:11 OH NO THEY DIDN'T http://www.peugeot.com/en/innovation/engines/hdi-fap-engines.aspx Mar 10 15:56:40 "The FAP engine, a technical standard The HDi FAP engine provides the driver with many advantages" Mar 10 15:56:48 crashanddie: Well, is that worse than fapman? :) Mar 10 15:57:20 RST38h, it can't install some dependencies Mar 10 15:57:23 "FAP: How does it work? This first phase involves catching the soot particles in a porous, silicon carbide filter." Mar 10 15:57:28 f2c and cpp Mar 10 15:57:42 it says is not installable Mar 10 15:59:27 each lib i try to install, it depends to another lib, i can't install Mar 10 15:59:44 how can i install fort77? Mar 10 16:00:03 crashanddie: what the problem with fap ? Mar 10 16:00:27 "to fap" == "se branler" Mar 10 16:00:40 ... ... Mar 10 16:00:40 :) Mar 10 16:01:04 haha, look up from my work and that is what I see Mar 10 16:01:09 seat start with the Seat Leon Fap Mar 10 16:03:20 crashanddie: but something i notice recently is that high compression turbo is authorized in France now Mar 10 16:50:35 yes dashavoo when i compare usability of screeen plus kbd, n900 is much better.. but e71 has twice thw battery life andd half the size Mar 10 16:51:24 just an amazing device for the money (used) Mar 10 16:51:32 except its an e71 Mar 10 16:51:55 well im chatting with it now Mar 10 16:52:07 great Mar 10 16:52:14 sure it limited Mar 10 16:52:22 which is why its battery lasts so long Mar 10 16:52:35 yep Mar 10 16:52:38 cant really compare the two at all Mar 10 16:52:52 i think e71 is a whole lot cheaper too Mar 10 16:53:07 but you are right, cheap nokia phones are value for money Mar 10 16:53:08 oh thats why i have both now Mar 10 16:53:17 im not going to carry around two devices Mar 10 16:54:05 * nidO bangs head against openstack Mar 10 18:02:35 has anyone succeeded in installing firefox 4 on the n900? it keeps trying to download version 1.1 from the Ovi-Repository for me Mar 10 18:08:16 aha, mozilla somehow screwed up the repository, it seems... well, manual install it is then Mar 10 18:09:14 heh Mar 10 18:14:43 alturiak: you mean firefox mobile? Mar 10 18:14:46 or the real firefox 4 Mar 10 18:15:10 mobile Mar 10 18:15:16 running latest beta here Mar 10 18:15:19 works fine, nightlies too Mar 10 18:15:20 http://firefox.com/m <- that one Mar 10 18:15:30 which version do you want Mar 10 18:15:31 1.1 is latest Mar 10 18:16:00 well, the repository they have suggest they have 4.0beta5 available for maemo Mar 10 18:16:07 eh Mar 10 18:16:15 thats desktop firefox Mar 10 18:16:19 lol Mar 10 18:16:31 works fine here, using the link from the website you just linked Mar 10 18:16:35 im using it too Mar 10 18:16:59 because it downloads 1.1 from Ovi rather than the one the repository should have but doesn't Mar 10 18:17:11 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/1.9.2_en-US/1.9.2_en-US_nightly.install Mar 10 18:17:15 thats the nightly Mar 10 18:17:19 disable the ovi repo Mar 10 18:17:21 in app manager Mar 10 18:17:25 http://moff.mozilla.com/latest-beta/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ Mar 10 18:17:26 you dont need ovi for anything anyhow Mar 10 18:17:45 doesn't sound very desktop to me :) Mar 10 18:17:58 i think you are using the wrong repo maybe Mar 10 18:18:12 well, it's the one linked on firefox.com/m Mar 10 18:18:20 Hmm. Mar 10 18:18:25 im using that one Mar 10 18:18:27 granted it's not working, but still... :) Mar 10 18:18:29 via that website Mar 10 18:18:37 Bug? Share a photo, and it doesn't prompt you to come out of offline mode? Mar 10 18:19:10 will try yours since my repo complete locks up my phone when starting firefox :) Mar 10 18:19:16 that is a nightly build, alturiak Mar 10 18:19:28 making a pic of my ff repo in ham atm Mar 10 18:19:28 but still, it's the one they link, so they probably should fix it *g* Mar 10 18:19:33 just need slow ham to hurry up Mar 10 18:21:43 disabling ovi doesn't help, btw. the repo I linked seems empty to maemo, so it just says it can't find any fennec package :) Mar 10 18:22:01 odd Mar 10 18:26:24 hello Mar 10 18:26:42 yay irssi reconnected me to freenode Mar 10 18:30:01 irssi on N900 rocks indeed. Mar 10 18:30:24 there should be an adapted quassel client for the n900, that would be awesome Mar 10 18:31:00 irssi + screen + ssh Mar 10 18:32:12 Lava_Croft: oh ya Mar 10 18:33:00 merlin1991: hmm just googled quassel seems good Mar 10 18:33:09 gm.. for some reason, my n900 won't find a firefox in the nightly repo either... Mar 10 18:33:51 alturiak: :O Mar 10 18:34:00 alturiak: using HAM? Mar 10 18:34:08 apt-cache, HAM, fapman... Mar 10 18:34:12 neither works Mar 10 18:34:13 bleh Mar 10 18:34:44 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/03/ink-truck-engtop.jpg Mar 10 18:36:03 ah wait, apt-cache shows a 1.1~b2~20110305010704, sounds right to me Mar 10 18:39:09 has anyone here used usb host mode to connect to a printer and print? Mar 10 18:39:16 RST38h, :O Mar 10 18:39:22 are you reddy? Mar 10 18:39:28 and don't be blue: http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/MetroPhotos03/11/ink_truck_crash_030911.jpg Mar 10 18:39:32 a high res version lol Mar 10 18:40:04 that's a beautiful shot Mar 10 18:40:48 the driver was not injured! Mar 10 18:41:06 someone's not getting their package though Mar 10 18:41:17 yeah Mar 10 18:41:22 I wonder if they cleaned up by numbers Mar 10 18:41:32 lol Mar 10 18:41:48 glad the driver wasn't hurt though Mar 10 18:41:56 tfa: http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/peabody/2011/03/inky_crash_may_shut_down_ramp_1.html Mar 10 18:42:04 yeah yigal from the pictures it looks like it Mar 10 18:42:19 trx: any news? Mar 10 18:42:23 trx: I have an idea Mar 10 18:43:53 lcuk: whole thing looks extremely gay =) Mar 10 18:45:53 RST38h, perhaps Mar 10 18:46:06 RST38h: the colors you mean? Mar 10 18:46:09 orwe now know Jackson Pollock became a truck driver. Mar 10 18:46:14 lol Mar 10 18:46:18 yigal: yeah Mar 10 18:46:23 "Red, blue, and yellow ink cartridges were inside the truck, but Ferson said there is no evidence the yellow ink was released. " Mar 10 18:46:28 damn, no yellow ink Mar 10 18:46:34 a pity, yes Mar 10 18:46:39 they could have considered it a green cleanup operation Mar 10 18:46:57 it would have just been green washed though Mar 10 18:46:59 red+blue gives you magenta, the color of insanity Mar 10 18:47:05 not a real environmental job Mar 10 18:47:24 its ok yigal the road was closed for so long until the tipex wagon arrived. Mar 10 18:47:51 lol Mar 10 18:48:35 "E: Handler silently failed" *sighs* :) Mar 10 18:49:07 apt-getting something from user/hidden does that Mar 10 18:49:38 I see Mar 10 18:51:16 there's a higher version in user/network, though... Mar 10 18:51:38 you can compile apt with --disable-hide or something (can't remember atm) Mar 10 18:51:55 * MohammadAG wonders if he should put that on the CSSU Mar 10 18:52:40 meh... it also fails if I explicitly select the version from user/network to be installed Mar 10 18:53:21 I think this is the least convenient error message I've seen ;-) Mar 10 18:54:10 alturiak, dpkg -i this http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb Mar 10 18:58:56 MohammadAG: eek, it's working Mar 10 18:59:25 thanks Mar 10 18:59:52 yw :) Mar 10 19:01:01 }o Mar 10 19:01:03 wtf? Mar 10 19:01:10 \o Is what I mean Mar 10 19:04:40 Lava_Croft: hm, that's still firefox 3.6.16, though... but unless mozilla comes up with a working version of 4.0, that's probably the best you can get right now :) Mar 10 19:07:23 still a little annoying when they promote the mobile version of 4.0 on every download-page of the desktop 4.0 :) Mar 10 19:07:55 alturiak: that is firefox mobile Mar 10 19:08:05 alturiak: there is also a Qt build somewhere in the repo Mar 10 19:08:07 but its even worse Mar 10 19:08:13 alturiak: you are not missing out on anything tho Mar 10 19:08:21 ff mobile is a joke compared to good old microb Mar 10 19:08:53 well, I don't really care if it's called fennec or firefox, it says it's available for maemo and they provide a) a broken repository and b) a broken package :) Mar 10 19:09:00 but its not broken Mar 10 19:09:03 since it worked fine for me Mar 10 19:09:05 via the website Mar 10 19:09:40 I tried to install the deb, it doesn't even load properly... but maybe that really is my fault somehow :) Mar 10 19:09:45 :) Mar 10 19:09:58 both the beta and the nightlies work fine for me Mar 10 19:10:06 via their respective .install files Mar 10 19:10:07 we're talking about the link "for Maemo - free - " on firefox.com/m, yes? Mar 10 19:10:14 yes, there is only one firefox for maemo Mar 10 19:10:18 at least official Mar 10 19:10:57 hm... well. no idea then. I like having firefox around for the sync Mar 10 19:11:14 and it's gotten a lot better compared to the first release :) Mar 10 19:11:19 well, its a bit slow to load up at first and it doesnt do flash Mar 10 19:11:23 that is for sure Mar 10 19:11:26 at least its usable now Mar 10 19:11:31 first releases were so bad Mar 10 19:11:32 yeah :) Mar 10 19:12:00 I use opera mini for almost everything, but when I need synced data, I switch to firefox Mar 10 19:12:01 still dont think its a good thing they use the same codebase for desktop and mobile versions Mar 10 19:12:05 its so big Mar 10 19:12:11 i use microb exclusively Mar 10 19:12:37 opera should update their maemo build Mar 10 19:12:37 I use microb for flash... only ;-) Mar 10 19:13:11 anyway, gotta go. thanks for your advice and insights :) Mar 10 19:15:14 goodnight Mar 10 19:16:16 alturiak: by the way Mar 10 19:16:17 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/trunk_en-US/ Mar 10 19:16:20 thats the qt thing Mar 10 19:34:46 for the n900 hardware keyboard. do you write with fingernails or with the fingertip? I think, fingernail is more easy, but now i see, it demages the black colour on the keys Mar 10 19:35:28 type* Mar 10 19:35:32 How long are your thumbnails? :s I have to get into a horribly uncomfortable position to even try thumbnails. Mar 10 19:35:53 eichi: I type with my thumb-fronts Mar 10 19:36:07 I use the fingertip, but backspace return and fn keys have lost like 50% of the black colour already :) Mar 10 19:36:30 why would you use tip or nail? Mar 10 19:37:00 luke-jr what else? Mar 10 19:37:06 front Mar 10 19:37:15 luke-jr what is "thumb-fronts" ? Mar 10 19:37:17 center of your fingerprint Mar 10 19:38:02 yeah okay. somethimes i try this, but its not as easy to aim every key :P Mar 10 19:38:16 with this, i make the most misstakes Mar 10 19:42:55 I am going to take legal actions against the shop who sold me the N900! Mar 10 19:43:52 lolcat: why? Mar 10 19:44:12 lolcat: lolwhy Mar 10 19:44:29 They gave me a Nokia 1208 to borrow while they fix the usb port on the N900. Mar 10 19:44:40 lol? Mar 10 19:44:46 and? Mar 10 19:44:55 It will take 4-5 months. But I will win! Mar 10 19:45:04 is there a joke here i'm missing? :/ Mar 10 19:45:17 My problem is, will they still sell N900'eds in 5 months? Mar 10 19:46:04 dunno Mar 10 19:46:04 maybe Mar 10 19:46:06 another usb-port bites the dust Mar 10 19:47:03 lolcat: what is "eds" ? Mar 10 19:49:47 has anyone tried or been succesful at printing as server to a usb connected printer? Mar 10 19:49:58 anyone here, let me clarify Mar 10 19:50:03 N900, will it be in shops in 5 months? Mar 10 19:50:16 on n900 Mar 10 19:50:19 Or will they have N950? Will they be usable? Mar 10 19:50:33 n950 anyone's guess, right? Mar 10 19:51:35 Probably Mar 10 19:51:52 This sucks... I have to win this case and get my money back Mar 10 19:52:09 haha, you won't get your money back Mar 10 19:52:15 i mean, from the store maybe Mar 10 19:52:24 I will Mar 10 19:52:24 lolcat: you are representing yourself Mar 10 19:52:25 but i suspect you're going to lose more to the layer Mar 10 19:52:27 *lawyer Mar 10 19:52:35 ? Mar 10 19:52:59 friend or pro bono? Mar 10 19:53:06 I have a legal rigth to have a phone with similar functions while they are repairing me. If they cause me a 'significant inconcinivence' I have a rigth for a refund. Mar 10 19:53:31 I'm not saying that you don't in theory Mar 10 19:53:32 similar functions = makes phone calls Mar 10 19:53:45 but who will defend your case in court? Mar 10 19:54:50 kerio: No, it is a previous case where a guy got a Nokia 1100 while they where fixing his N97. He won in the court for consumer cases (hard to translate). Mar 10 19:55:15 lolcat: which country do you live in? Mar 10 19:55:18 yigal: It won't go to a real court, and it is a consumer organisation who will help me out with that. Mar 10 19:55:28 lolcat: good to hear Mar 10 19:55:29 yigal: Norway, or consumer rigths are crazy. Mar 10 19:55:36 lolcat: sorry to hear Mar 10 19:55:42 They are good Mar 10 19:55:48 But nobody follows them Mar 10 19:56:03 5 years warranty by law on most electronics Mar 10 19:59:40 lolcat: that sounds very reasonable Mar 10 20:02:26 Ah, another stock market crash Mar 10 20:13:04 lolcat: small claims court? Mar 10 20:29:47 SpeedEvil: No, it is only for consumer cases Mar 10 20:30:21 They can judge like a court, but they are not. They can force the retailer to comply with their decicion Mar 10 20:31:10 But now, 9PM I got a text from someone in said shop, telling me I could get a bether phone to borrow. So now I have wrtitten down my five favorite functions of my phone and is going to demad to get it tomorrow. Mar 10 20:35:32 hello ! Mar 10 20:36:09 do someone know how to use h323 and SIP with n900 ? Mar 10 20:36:54 there was ekiga in the past. is it available somewhere ? how to do videoconferencing with it ? Mar 10 20:36:59 help ! thanks :p Mar 10 20:42:43 lolcat: Ah Mar 10 20:43:34 kpoman: I created a SIP account, and selected videocall-SIP from contacts Mar 10 20:44:09 alas I had no real video enabled peer to call Mar 10 20:46:01 the video codec actually used in SIP gets negotiated between the two clients during SDP, there's no real sense n defining it a priori as h.323 Mar 10 20:50:22 SpeedEvil: It is a bit boring if they are nice now, I want to own them and rant about them in the press Mar 10 20:52:37 kpoman: of course SIP-videocalls are available only for true SIP "numbers" Mar 10 20:53:17 lolcat: Let's hear the Fave Five! (Tmobile USA uses that term to market the fact that you can set up 5 favourite phone numbers to call for free.) Mar 10 20:54:20 add something like SIP:56545689@provider.com to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall Mar 10 20:54:28 My Fave Five would include vim, bash, dbus ... I don't know which other two to pick. Ssh maybe.... Mar 10 20:55:14 actually they dropped my fave five Mar 10 20:55:40 dangergrrl: ?? Did they accidentally delete your Fave Five record, or do you mean they don't offer that Fave Five feature any more? Mar 10 20:55:51 they don't offer it anymore Mar 10 20:56:21 only under old contracts Mar 10 20:56:22 DocScrutinizer51: where do I find that application ? Mar 10 20:56:31 A internet browser, keyboard, wlan, option to install third party software, gps (not agps since it sucks in the forest), and a camera. Mar 10 20:56:36 It is quite modest Mar 10 20:56:41 errr which application? Mar 10 20:56:48 DocScrutinizer51: I mean can I call an IP with SIP ? Mar 10 20:56:51 But with those, I can actually get some work done Mar 10 20:57:06 sorry, what now? Mar 10 20:57:21 i'm wanting to get voip working this month i get unlimited data :) Mar 10 20:57:24 as said above Mar 10 20:57:30 add something like SIP:56545689@provider.com to a contact and you can choose from SIP-chat SIP-call and SIP-videocall Mar 10 20:57:54 DocScrutinizer51: I mean right now I am testing ekiga, both on linux and windows, putting sip:some.ip.add.ress ... is there an ekiga or something similar for n900 ? Mar 10 20:57:54 speaking of browser ... is there a text-mode browser for maemo? Like links2 or elinks or lynx or something? Mar 10 20:58:18 dangergrrl: Is it practical? My wife uses Skype but sometimes the connection is iffy. Mar 10 20:58:21 nope, that's not a valid sip addr Mar 10 20:58:43 a valid sip addr is like I wrote 2 times now Mar 10 20:58:43 DocScrutinizer51: it works with IP too, it opens port 5060 and I am able to call that machine Mar 10 20:59:01 SIP:user@URL/IP Mar 10 20:59:13 DocScrutinizer51: at least on ekiga I am able to without users Mar 10 20:59:31 then ekiga is fsckdup Mar 10 21:00:48 DocScrutinizer51: let me see ... Mar 10 21:00:48 SIP:IP is not a valid SIP addr. it's missing any user part Mar 10 21:01:13 DocScrutinizer51: I am a bit noob, but what is the url ? Mar 10 21:01:17 no provider will parse such addr correctly Mar 10 21:01:35 the right side o @ Mar 10 21:01:44 lcuk: a bigger issue is that it doesn't move well Mar 10 21:01:58 DocScrutinizer51: are those online contactlists ? Mar 10 21:02:24 dangergrrl, which? Mar 10 21:02:25 errr? sorry I don't understand your questions Mar 10 21:02:44 you ever opened the contacts app on N900? Mar 10 21:02:56 voip Mar 10 21:02:59 yes I did, I have it right now opened :) Mar 10 21:03:50 if i call someone while i'm home and leave the house i have to call back from tmobile's network Mar 10 21:04:41 DocScrutinizer51: is SIP:xxx the contact name or an additional field ? in that case, which field ? phone number ??? Mar 10 21:04:51 do you see the field with label "SIP"? Mar 10 21:05:04 that's practical for me i don't really need to be on the phone while i'm riding a motorcycle anyhow :) Mar 10 21:05:21 DocScrutinizer51: cool first time I see that field :p Mar 10 21:05:30 OMG Mar 10 21:06:22 enter a *valid* SIP addr there and you can select videocalls Mar 10 21:06:40 DocScrutinizer51: where do I create a valid SIP address ? Mar 10 21:06:47 meh Mar 10 21:07:03 to the birthday field of course Mar 10 21:07:48 DocScrutinizer51: I mean I saw the account setup thing. those users are created on an online directory of users ? Mar 10 21:07:55 like it used to be on netmeeting etc.. ? Mar 10 21:08:32 the N900 isn't able to hande direct peer2peer SIP Mar 10 21:08:44 only via provider aka registrar Mar 10 21:09:01 it is related to gateway and firewall issues right ? Mar 10 21:09:31 for ekiga that's been the ekiga servers - dunno if they still work Mar 10 21:10:01 yes, firewalls are a problem for Vo80 Mar 10 21:10:10 VoIP Mar 10 21:10:17 DocScrutinizer51: what is the most common directory of users ? or do I have to install a directory server somewhere ? Mar 10 21:10:39 check freeworlddialup.com Mar 10 21:10:51 or sipgate.co.uk or .de Mar 10 21:11:08 oh ok I see this page: http://www.onsip.com/onsip-articles/what-is-my-sip-address Mar 10 21:11:10 or google for sip provider and click the ads Mar 10 21:12:11 You are planing to implement dialup on the N900? Mar 10 21:12:32 see my company just bought a tandberg videoconference system, we were able to make videoconf directly by IP. I had to add some rules to the gateway firewall but it worked fine directly by IP. it seems to support h323 and sip which, I guess, are directory services or something similar Mar 10 21:12:55 rules for DNAT and port forwarding to the device itself Mar 10 21:14:38 ok ekiga servers seem to work Mar 10 21:15:36 kpoman: you can still use this when you register the N900 with arbitrary provider, then dial SIP:foobar@yoursystemsIP Mar 10 21:16:45 the provider's server will connect N900 to the system Mar 10 21:17:09 the data flows directly N900 to system Mar 10 21:17:15 ok cool Mar 10 21:17:22 let me create an account then for my device Mar 10 21:17:48 the provider is called proxy in SIP for some reason Mar 10 21:20:15 however not all providers allow inbound SIP connections, almost all are phone centric, so frequently user part of your sip addr is some phonenumber Mar 10 21:21:22 outbound SIP (from N900 to another SIP addr) should usually work with most providers Mar 10 21:21:33 DocScrutinizer51: ok just created the account, let me test it :) Mar 10 21:22:40 most providers have a test number like 123 or 10000 or whatever, so you can check your config Mar 10 21:23:08 check your providers's FAQ Mar 10 21:24:06 "Hello blah_isp how can I help you" Mar 10 21:24:15 "Hi, I'd like to look at your FAQ" Mar 10 21:24:24 "Excuse me sir, I am not fat" Mar 10 21:24:58 DocScrutinizer51: see, it is making the call, turning on the n900 camera, but when the other peer answers but the phone still thinks not answered Mar 10 21:25:37 hmm, SIP signalling issue Mar 10 21:26:11 might be a problem of the provider's proxy Mar 10 21:26:20 DocScrutinizer51: something to change in the advanced settings ? Mar 10 21:26:40 probably not Mar 10 21:26:53 test normal call first Mar 10 21:27:05 to provider's test number Mar 10 21:27:21 video calls are a bit special Mar 10 21:27:25 ok, let me see that Mar 10 21:28:12 providers are 'landline' centric. Landline doesn't know videocalls Mar 10 21:29:07 so support for SIP to SIP calls is not always optimal, ven more this applies to videocalls Mar 10 21:32:31 kpoman: what system you got at your office? Does it support SIP registrar via public IP? Mar 10 21:33:14 I guess not if you run it via IP only, without usernames Mar 10 21:35:06 aah, backscroll. I see - Tandberg Mar 10 21:35:42 DocScrutinizer51: it is a tandberg Mar 10 21:35:46 let me see the options Mar 10 21:37:06 kpoman: not sure if i have the same issue as you, but sometimes my sip call keeps ringing eventhough the receiver party has picked up the phone Mar 10 21:37:43 WTF, tandberg requires me to register to watch their marketing blabla Mar 10 21:37:56 trumee: yes I am having exactly that issue right now Mar 10 21:38:06 also "tandberg is now cisco" :-P Mar 10 21:38:08 trumee: it keeps ringing however the phone already responded Mar 10 21:38:45 I have options for SIP SIP Nat traversal Mar 10 21:38:54 but I guess not linked to my problem Mar 10 21:39:09 kpoman: yes, that happens to me. My call is usually N900<>asterisk (freepbx)<> remote Linksys spa3102 ATA Mar 10 21:40:53 DocScrutinizer: do you know how to troubleshot this ? Mar 10 21:42:33 choose a proper provider. MAke sure you got no firewall/NAT in the way from N900 to internet - if there's a router/NAT, then open ports 5060-5063 and the RTP ports as defined in the provider settings Mar 10 21:42:43 yigal: I just found out there is a working quassel client for maemo http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Quassel2Go?content=136828 Mar 10 21:42:50 and disable any Application Layer Gateway in the router Mar 10 21:43:30 * trumee is waiting for his openSuSe 11.4 download to finish Mar 10 21:43:39 kpoman: where are you geographically? Mar 10 21:43:52 brazil Mar 10 21:43:59 oufff Mar 10 21:44:16 sorry, no idea about any sip provider over there Mar 10 21:44:30 DocScrutinizer: I connect via 3g, could connect using the phone 3g from my pc with mobile hotspot Mar 10 21:44:40 it worked, so I guess the provider and firewall are ok for the phone Mar 10 21:45:30 well, a failed 200 OK SIP response inbound on call accept clearly indicates there are issues with NAT Mar 10 21:45:48 most likely with NAT Mar 10 21:46:06 very unlikely with your local setup of N900 Mar 10 21:46:57 your 3G provider might even block SIP on purpose Mar 10 21:48:12 that's outbound when you make a call: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios123/rel_docs/sip-flo/comp2213.htm#1020468 Mar 10 21:49:40 next ³ are the answers you should get Mar 10 21:52:20 § even Mar 10 21:56:31 kpoman: https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/reg/uk/index.php?set_country_location=BR|Brazil Mar 10 21:56:52 NB: Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK. Mar 10 22:01:14 http://www.voip-list.com/protocols/sip_1.html Mar 10 22:09:50 https://mdns.sipthor.net/register_sip_account.phtml Mar 10 22:11:02 I dont understand why the cam turns off before starting communication Mar 10 22:11:35 * trumee thinks it is useless to setup sip on N900 since most of the time it doesnt work Mar 10 22:11:57 * Arkenoi uses sip about 3 times as much as gsm calls Mar 10 22:12:16 hehe Mar 10 22:12:19 http://www.voip-list.com/protocols/sip_1.html this one Mar 10 22:13:25 trumee: mine works lile a charm most of the time. Actually it failed not even with your account I tested. Not so deverely as you described it anyway Mar 10 22:14:50 DocScrutinizer, i still use it daily but all the while doing hold/unhold of the call Mar 10 22:15:19 aaah, giving friggin swap time to spool out the IOs Mar 10 22:15:44 and i am tired of complaining to Nokia about it. Hopefully Collabora and Nokia will do a better job with N950 Mar 10 22:16:12 I doubt there'll be improvements that would help you Mar 10 22:16:28 the god damned dlink wifi router is messing around Mar 10 22:16:30 * trumee needs to map the camera button to hold/unhold the call. Mar 10 22:17:01 DocScrutinizer, i raised it in meego-qa list, but it was ignored Mar 10 22:17:09 evidently your problem is related to your particular usage pattern or setup of registrar/proxy/gateway/NAT/router/blablub Mar 10 22:17:21 DocScrutinizer, but i will keep hoping Mar 10 22:17:51 It probably got a CND Mar 10 22:18:28 * trumee will test N950 first regarding sip behaviour before buying it Mar 10 22:18:51 meh, test your next router with SIP before buying it Mar 10 22:19:17 DocScrutinizer, i have already bought two routers! Mar 10 22:19:19 also test your SIP after installation of additional apps Mar 10 22:19:41 DocScrutinizer, tested that too, did a clean flash. Mar 10 22:19:48 hmm, then it's maybe your internet provider Mar 10 22:20:19 DocScrutinizer, why does it work perfectly with my hardware ATA and desktop sip clients? Mar 10 22:20:24 some of then do nasty things for traffic shaping Mar 10 22:20:45 maybe because those set ToS for example Mar 10 22:21:09 maybe your WLAN is borked Mar 10 22:21:10 DocScrutinizer, ekiga/twinkle ? Mar 10 22:21:28 the router Mar 10 22:22:10 wtf Mar 10 22:22:14 DocScrutinizer, laptop is also on the same wifi and twinkle works fine. did i mention i have tried two routers already Mar 10 22:23:07 trumee: you're aware more than one sip client under same router *never* works quite nice, without massive config? Mar 10 22:23:19 DocScrutinizer, anyways this discussion is futile. i have come to terms with shitty sip on N900 Mar 10 22:23:39 SIP on N900 is just fine Mar 10 22:23:44 DocScrutinizer, my N95 work perfect Mar 10 22:24:04 DocScrutinizer, did you see the bugs on bugzilla? Mar 10 22:24:20 DocScrutinizer, and the tmo thread on it. Mar 10 22:25:00 yeah, and - what can I say - as long as nobody can duplicate and you are not willing to exactly analyze the traffic to the point where it's getting clear what's happening... Mar 10 22:26:04 DocScrutinizer, i have had long session with dev fro collabora. i have sent tcpdump logs to Nokia dev Mar 10 22:26:31 DocScrutinizer, both have confirmed the problem. But they dont have a solution for it Mar 10 22:26:51 DocScrutinizer, and i mean long sessionS. Mar 10 22:27:32 so what IS the problem then? And please don't answer "stuttering audio" Mar 10 22:27:38 DocScrutinizer, collabora dev has taken tcpdumps from my system and he believes it is a issue with gstreamer rtpjitterbuffer Mar 10 22:27:59 if they confirm the problem then they must have a clear idea what it is, technically Mar 10 22:28:02 DocScrutinizer, it seems the gstreamer code for it is very fragile Mar 10 22:28:12 duh Mar 10 22:28:33 DocScrutinizer, that is the problem. the solution is not very clear Mar 10 22:29:18 DocScrutinizer: you are able to do videoconf with which provider ? Mar 10 22:29:23 the solution then is "fix jitterbuffer in gstreamer RTP plugin", a workaround is "use a line with less jitter" Mar 10 22:29:59 kpoman: I am not able to do videocalls as I lack any videocall enabled peer to call Mar 10 22:30:13 think I told that before Mar 10 22:30:31 kpoman, i have tried videocall between N900 and ekiga Mar 10 22:30:39 it is really strange .. Mar 10 22:30:46 trumee: could you get it working ? how ? Mar 10 22:30:55 kpoman, but that is using my own asterisk server Mar 10 22:31:05 oh ok not the ekiga servers ? Mar 10 22:31:10 kpoman, no Mar 10 22:31:12 sipgate.de is forwarding my videocall, and when peer signals he can't do video, the video part vanishes and call becomes a normal audio call via SIP Mar 10 22:31:42 sipgate ... let me see if there is something to configure on the ekiga account Mar 10 22:32:44 hey Mar 10 22:33:01 the strange thing is I am able to do videocall from pc/ekiga to the sip device tandberg Mar 10 22:33:15 i thought i could start browser on on 810 by running ssh user@192.168.0.46 "export DISPLAY=:0.0;tear file:///tmp/" Mar 10 22:33:19 did not work, though Mar 10 22:33:40 kpoman: so what's the registrar (= account) you are using on ekiga? Mar 10 22:33:55 DocScrutinizer: kpoman@ekiga.net Mar 10 22:33:56 the standard 'recover previous session' came up, but it had broken out of the GTK theme or something, just grey buttons Mar 10 22:34:26 and you can connect with ekiga softphone to that tandberg that way? Mar 10 22:34:31 hit cancel, browser never opened. just "*** glibc detected *** tear: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x40ab72c8 *** Aborted" Mar 10 22:35:05 yep, with video Mar 10 22:35:21 so you should use exactly same procedure on N900 Mar 10 22:35:33 same account data, same callee addr Mar 10 22:37:44 DocScrutinizer: could it be because of the codecs ? Mar 10 22:37:53 could Mar 10 22:38:05 which codec should be supported by n900 ? h261 ? Mar 10 22:38:15 the tandberg and the N900 should have logs somewhere Mar 10 22:38:26 I'd guess yes Mar 10 22:39:30 you can easily tell by snooping the SIP data with wireshark, esp the SDP messages in SIP protocol Mar 10 22:40:12 in SDP both clients offer their set of supported codecs plus preference, and agree on the best one Mar 10 22:40:23 simply put Mar 10 22:40:27 ok now it is a bit better, Mar 10 22:40:33 it's all plaintext Mar 10 22:40:52 now I do receive, on the n900 a bit of video from the peer, then the communication shuts down :s Mar 10 22:41:01 heh Mar 10 22:41:12 that's clearly some transmission thing then Mar 10 22:41:20 DocScrutinizer: i checked all the codecs on the pc / ekiga Mar 10 22:41:25 or some weird bug in the codecs Mar 10 22:41:45 DocScrutinizer: i dont see n900 cam on the pc, but do see some images from the pc on the n900 ... then it shuts down ... Mar 10 22:41:57 let me deselect codecs one by one Mar 10 22:42:17 alas I have no idea where and how to configure/check the codec priority and supported/enabled codecs on N900 telepathy stack Mar 10 22:43:19 kpoman: if you can get some call-details from ekiga (I never used it, I am a twinkle man), then you can easily tell which codec been used in that last semi working call Mar 10 22:43:57 DocScrutinizer: I could see myself on the pc, then it shutdowns Mar 10 22:44:25 that's the nice thing about twinkle, you can configure absolutely everything. Alas it comes without video support Mar 10 22:45:15 lol Mar 10 22:46:17 maybe the ISP is blocking somehow Mar 10 22:46:19 :s Mar 10 22:46:22 yes Mar 10 22:47:10 [2011-03-10 22:45:11] your 3G provider might even block SIP on purpose Mar 10 22:48:03 yep Mar 10 22:48:09 maybe, I will have to try at home Mar 10 22:49:02 yeah, in-session codec-switching to adapt for a bandwidth getting lower is one of the most complicated and poorly supported things of VoIP Mar 10 22:49:44 the strange thing is n900 not supporting h261 which is the older most common codec Mar 10 22:50:11 I'd guess unless you got a god 3.5G signal *with HSUPA* you mustn't expect videocalls over GSM to work Mar 10 22:50:40 it doesn't? how did you find out? Mar 10 22:50:46 it kinda worked from 2 pc's connected with 3g modems Mar 10 22:51:05 hmm Mar 10 22:51:19 connect N900 to same 3G modem then? Mar 10 22:51:31 wow Mar 10 22:51:37 8.9MB/s over wifi Mar 10 22:51:47 huh? Mar 10 22:51:52 enough for proper video :-D Mar 10 22:52:13 more than my wlan :P Mar 10 22:52:16 wifi N, that is. Mar 10 22:52:24 hhe Mar 10 22:52:26 not on N900 Mar 10 22:52:29 nope Mar 10 22:52:30 ah Mar 10 22:52:39 computer -> router Mar 10 22:52:44 the mmc card wioll be the bottleneck then :P Mar 10 22:54:53 the router, provided by my ISP Mar 10 22:54:58 actually has a torrent client in it... Mar 10 22:55:34 I know routers with torrent clients aren't such a big deal, they're usually not provided by ISPs, is all. Mar 10 22:55:46 And the remote control has a firmware... Mar 10 22:56:42 err wut? Mar 10 22:56:55 yeah... Mar 10 22:57:11 cool it worked now !!! with codec h263 Mar 10 22:57:28 see?! :-D Mar 10 22:58:02 probably you are standing next to a window now, so your 3G signal is better Mar 10 22:58:02 my ISP just offered me a $10/month rebate if I give up my IP... Mar 10 22:58:17 LOL Mar 10 22:58:21 nice, it doesnt hang up anymore Mar 10 22:58:37 javispedro: what is special about your IP? Mar 10 22:58:42 so IPs are 10$ / 1 now Mar 10 22:58:43 nothing Mar 10 22:58:51 wow Mar 10 22:58:56 it's IPv4 Mar 10 22:59:01 which means it's ancient Mar 10 22:59:07 and precious Mar 10 22:59:07 it's rare Mar 10 22:59:14 thought maybe you are the last available IP on a block or something like that Mar 10 22:59:15 collector's item Mar 10 22:59:17 ok so basically, had issues with the wifi router (dlink dir300 firmware 1.05), and also codec needs to be h263, and it is extremly awful, but it works Mar 10 22:59:46 now you can optimize Mar 10 22:59:55 yes, I will try other codecs now Mar 10 23:00:14 I guess the latest "ipv4s have now really ran out" slashdot warning was true... Mar 10 23:00:15 use wireshark, trace the SIP traffic Mar 10 23:00:20 analyze the SDP Mar 10 23:00:26 SDP? Mar 10 23:00:32 you'll see what codecs are offered Mar 10 23:00:41 the phone announces it knows http://pastebin.com/xvFpGS98 Mar 10 23:00:56 I did a wireshark on my pc to see announcements Mar 10 23:01:00 then I saw those Mar 10 23:01:25 crashanddie_: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios123/rel_docs/sip-flo/comp2213.htm#1021087 Mar 10 23:02:02 ok, with h264 the connexion is dropped Mar 10 23:02:04 IIRC the codecs are in m or a records Mar 10 23:02:31 now trying theora Mar 10 23:02:39 should work better Mar 10 23:02:51 if supported by N900 Mar 10 23:04:09 of course that's a notion I'm pulling outa my a.... as I never used either Mar 10 23:04:24 ok, with theora video is disabled but connexion not dropped Mar 10 23:04:35 LOL Mar 10 23:04:55 video disabled means one end doesn't support it Mar 10 23:05:22 h261 also video disabled Mar 10 23:06:26 N900 though might support video codecs that are unsupported or crappy on ekiga softphone Mar 10 23:06:32 isn't it funny that android 3 now has gtalk video calling and the n900 had it last year? Mar 10 23:06:37 but work nice with tandberg Mar 10 23:07:10 haha Mar 10 23:07:16 there's a frigging gaming console in the tv module Mar 10 23:07:23 h263 1998: very strange, the led starts blinking and no video, however not disabled nor connexion dropped Mar 10 23:07:46 I.E ekiga&tandberg->nice doesn't mean ekiga&N900->crap is N900's fault Mar 10 23:08:26 hehehe I know, maybe I need to install more codecs on the phone. let me check this with apt-get Mar 10 23:08:29 DocScrutinizer & javispedro: games available on the tv module of my router: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEA6rZ4oXsQ Mar 10 23:08:50 I think I've seen that Mar 10 23:08:57 silly games Mar 10 23:09:11 that's the router with accelerometer, no? Mar 10 23:09:15 yeah Mar 10 23:09:25 Asphalt 5 HD for iPad? Mar 10 23:09:31 yeah, I seem to remember some games shown in a youtube Mar 10 23:09:50 javispedro: well, not only for iPad apparently :) But yeah, it's the same game Mar 10 23:09:52 ah, flash crashed, then youtube decided the video was done and skipped to the next one. Mar 10 23:10:12 hehehe Mar 10 23:10:21 good recovery strategy Mar 10 23:10:21 see, the entire firefox plugin separation thing is all benefits for the end user! flash crashes and you never notice it! Mar 10 23:10:54 well, iPhone does same thing for whole apps :-P Mar 10 23:11:01 I've been told Mar 10 23:11:50 basically every app running "under DSME" Mar 10 23:13:35 that's also windows > xp strategy Mar 10 23:13:58 "oh, I've never seen my vista blue screen. however, my power supply must be flacky because it reboots every so often." yeah. Mar 10 23:14:12 freenode is incredible. users from the Americas are logged in via servers in Frankfurt or in Vilnius, while german users are routed via USA Mar 10 23:15:04 crashanddie_: so even a router manufacturer can get legally licensed games while Nokia can't. Mar 10 23:15:17 meh Mar 10 23:15:20 (for Maemo that is) Mar 10 23:15:26 * DocScrutinizer cackles Mar 10 23:16:11 maemo is targeted at windows users - those are supposed to lift their games Mar 10 23:16:45 * DocScrutinizer hides Mar 10 23:16:47 *evil* Mar 10 23:18:10 anyway Mar 10 23:18:12 night people Mar 10 23:18:16 o/ Mar 10 23:18:19 oh, and btw Mar 10 23:18:25 just for fun: my blackberry crashed tonight Mar 10 23:18:27 time for breakfast Mar 10 23:18:37 It was sitting there, on my desk, I'm watching a movie Mar 10 23:18:43 screen lights up, I expect a call Mar 10 23:18:54 KABOOOM Mar 10 23:18:57 instead, white screen, and in tiny characters: "JVM error 545" or something Mar 10 23:18:59 like that? Mar 10 23:19:07 lol Mar 10 23:19:12 meh, my diablo on N810 does that all the time Mar 10 23:19:20 yeah, flugly bme Mar 10 23:19:31 dance with the devil, what do you expect? Mar 10 23:19:44 never had issues with my blackberries in the past Mar 10 23:19:50 I'll just get it replaced tomorrow or something Mar 10 23:19:56 I'm honestly tempted to set R&D Mar 10 23:19:59 i feel sorry for you that you have a blackberry Mar 10 23:20:11 it's worse than symbian Mar 10 23:20:16 don't be condescending, little one, that's my role Mar 10 23:20:23 lol Mar 10 23:20:34 i'm being empathetic ;) Mar 10 23:20:42 Blackberry for business is awesome Mar 10 23:20:50 better than Maemo/iOS/Symbian/WP7 Mar 10 23:20:58 because? Mar 10 23:20:58 on OpenMoko all the engineers got blackberries so they can be reached X-P Mar 10 23:21:00 Android, I knew I missed one Mar 10 23:21:06 DocScrutinizer: haha Mar 10 23:21:36 crashanddie_: indeed Mar 10 23:21:50 not because i doubt, I just never understood why blackberries where good for anything Mar 10 23:21:53 tripz0: one week uptime? Integrated mail that can be managed by *real* servers? Remote wipe? Data encryption? Password protection? Integration with all calendar systems out there? Mar 10 23:22:12 *propietary* calendar systems. Mar 10 23:22:16 just one bit that's een more funny, we managed our internal documents via google-docs or what's that crap called Mar 10 23:22:23 to all those questions I answer, meh Mar 10 23:22:35 the keyboard is fantastic, (I'm talking about the full qwerty keyboards here, not the half-assed 12 button keyboards) Mar 10 23:22:49 tripz0: can I assume you've never worked in a corporate environment? Mar 10 23:22:57 the last thing i want is for IT to touch my phone Mar 10 23:23:02 crashanddie_: any phone that's fully compatible with active sync can do that Mar 10 23:23:09 crashanddie, you would assume wrong ;) Mar 10 23:23:36 i had my encounter with blackberry storm Mar 10 23:23:40 and it was a disaster Mar 10 23:23:41 ouch Mar 10 23:23:47 yeah, that was the shittiest phone ever Mar 10 23:23:50 DocScrutinizer: do you know which package could contain codecs ? I read that h264 should be supported on n900 ... Mar 10 23:23:52 phone crashed Mar 10 23:23:53 hanged Mar 10 23:23:57 done all kinds of stuff Mar 10 23:24:02 I loved how the accelerometer worked Mar 10 23:24:04 except making fone calls Mar 10 23:24:07 phone* Mar 10 23:24:10 you'd flip from horizontal to vertical Mar 10 23:24:11 kpoman: sorry Mar 10 23:24:11 and no wifi Mar 10 23:24:20 it would take about 30 or 40 seconds to notice Mar 10 23:24:41 DocScrutinizer: this one seems good: http://maemo.org/packages/view/omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti/ Mar 10 23:24:47 kpoman: it not only needs codec but also the telepathy and probably gstreamer plugin Mar 10 23:24:49 kpoman: there is a lot of different h264 profiles Mar 10 23:24:51 it wouldn't manage switching from 3g to 2g properly, so you'd get lost calls continuously Mar 10 23:24:56 kpoman: and only one is supported Mar 10 23:25:02 oops, all are already installed Mar 10 23:25:18 jacekowski: yep I saw the most basic one .. Mar 10 23:25:28 i have a laptop that IT gave me with windows XP on it. it was supposed to be like super secure and crap. Then mcafee identified a core system file as a virus and removed it along with my ability to boot Mar 10 23:25:45 then i put ubuntu on it Mar 10 23:25:47 tripz0: well, that was well known mcafee fail Mar 10 23:25:54 do you know which streaming framework is used on the SIP client ? Videolan ? ffmpeg ? gstreamer ? Mar 10 23:26:03 tripz0: avg did similiar shit couple weeks ago Mar 10 23:26:08 lol Mar 10 23:26:26 kpoman: I'd bet gstreamer Mar 10 23:26:32 My work laptop, a dell whatever, the network card crashes continously Mar 10 23:26:41 the ethernet card, that is Mar 10 23:26:47 so why would I expose my phone to the same awesome IT security? Mar 10 23:26:55 on windows, blue screen of death Mar 10 23:27:07 On Ubuntu, network dies, reload module, and you're good to go Mar 10 23:27:17 yup Mar 10 23:27:17 tripz0: because they pay for my bill? Mar 10 23:27:40 they can keep their 50 bucks and stay out of my life/work Mar 10 23:27:42 :P Mar 10 23:27:48 crashanddie_, did you file a bug? Mar 10 23:27:56 get more work done without them Mar 10 23:27:57 tripz0: I get free phone, free data usage, free sms? I'd be racking 2 or 3 hundred euros a month Mar 10 23:28:13 lcuk: to whom? Intel? Mar 10 23:28:16 crashanddie_: same problem here, though I always thought that's the card driver and not the hw Mar 10 23:28:29 crashanddie_, or Microsoft or whoever Mar 10 23:28:34 dell sucks Mar 10 23:28:38 lcuk: I sent the report Mar 10 23:28:45 crashanddie_, point there. 200EU is a bit expensive Mar 10 23:28:48 Siemens esprimo :-P Mar 10 23:28:53 #awesome Mar 10 23:28:55 that one sucks for sure Mar 10 23:28:56 DocScrutinizer: yeah, I was pretty sure it was the driver, until I noticed that over the weekend the network would die Mar 10 23:29:07 (on Ubuntu) Mar 10 23:29:19 but seriously... unlimited sms/data shouldn't be that much Mar 10 23:29:28 voice can send you into triple digits though Mar 10 23:29:31 tripz0: I call international and roam a lot. Mar 10 23:29:36 mine dies when router gets that annoying forced disconnect on ADSL Mar 10 23:29:51 only sometimes, probably when a pkg is truncated Mar 10 23:29:54 tripz0, have you ever been in charge of a corporate network? Mar 10 23:30:03 ie, ever had to manage bandwidth Mar 10 23:30:04 obviously not Mar 10 23:30:10 lcuk, only a corporation of one Mar 10 23:30:14 hah, you still get the 24h DSL disconnect? Mar 10 23:30:18 I thought that was a memory of the past Mar 10 23:30:23 tripz0, hence you thinking unlimited bandwidth Mar 10 23:30:34 lcuk, i mean cellular data costs Mar 10 23:30:41 lcuk: I've got unlimited data Mar 10 23:30:56 you can get 'unlimited' data for like $30/mo Mar 10 23:31:11 plus postfix drives me crazy since months (years?) Mar 10 23:31:36 It's this "professional" plan, whatever that means, but basically, I don't get cut off after 2 gigs or whatever, it just keeps on going Mar 10 23:31:51 crashanddie_, and you pay proportionatly more Mar 10 23:31:57 +typofix Mar 10 23:31:57 etc/postfix/relay.db missing file Mar 10 23:32:03 i know very well bandwidth is limited. I see that every night when I have that slight latency issue while playing call of duty that gets me killed Mar 10 23:32:05 As my team is all over the place, they were happy to provide me with that plan after the first two or three months I racked bills of nearly a grand Mar 10 23:32:20 ouch Mar 10 23:32:31 each minute Mar 10 23:32:38 My biggest bill? 1800 quid in a week. Mar 10 23:33:10 That was calling a premium support line in the US, from the Ukraine, using a UK-based cell phone. Mar 10 23:33:17 crashanddie_: (24h) not here in Germany Mar 10 23:33:30 t-com :-( Mar 10 23:33:49 Irony in that story? The customer in the Ukraine is on the biggest mobile phone companies in Russia/Ukraine. Mar 10 23:34:02 And they couldn't provide us with a bloody phone line :P Mar 10 23:34:58 Also, I do have to test premium rate phone services, it's kinda in my job description, so yeah, I do rack up high bills regularly Mar 10 23:36:06 crashanddie_: sounds like sheer fun Mar 10 23:36:50 crashanddie_: you get paid to call all sex lines and stuff? Mar 10 23:36:57 i like your job Mar 10 23:37:00 s/sheer/mere/. Mar 10 23:37:01 luls Mar 10 23:37:10 we only have a couple sex lines in our client list Mar 10 23:37:16 so never had to call them Mar 10 23:39:13 * nidO curses cyberduck Mar 10 23:39:42 * Proteous quacks at cyberduck Mar 10 23:40:35 tztztz, my friend fixed that DNS server at 23:30 in the night Mar 10 23:41:32 weird stuff, my ZNC on a box in that domain broke down, well maybe due to failing rdns Mar 10 23:42:05 does vgba have a keybinding for freeze/restore state? or just the menu items Mar 10 23:42:11 ok now h264 works too ! Mar 10 23:42:18 it is unstable but it works now, Mar 10 23:43:15 I dont know which of the steps solved the problem: overclocked n900 to 1ghz, installed apt-get install libosip2-4, and lowered to 128kbps Mar 10 23:44:01 DocScrutinizer: do you know where the call logs what happens ? or if there is a way to enable verbosing ? Mar 10 23:44:02 hmhm, something I didn't try in a while is jabber video call with desktop clients like empathy Mar 10 23:45:09 kpoman: sorry, I'm missing any decent docs about telepathy Mar 10 23:45:16 ok Mar 10 23:45:18 no problem Mar 10 23:45:35 the image is very good with h264 however a big big lag Mar 10 23:46:10 where did you lower to 128? Mar 10 23:46:26 in the ekiga client on the pc Mar 10 23:46:32 aaah Mar 10 23:46:43 that's most likely it Mar 10 23:48:21 kpoman: I honestly suggest to stop OCing if possible Mar 10 23:48:37 why ? Mar 10 23:49:18 your usecase is the most valid one for OC I heard so far, but nevertheless 1GHz will do no good to CPU Mar 10 23:49:36 the gates erode Mar 10 23:49:47 yep sure but is ondemand Mar 10 23:49:58 (see wiki:electromigration) Mar 10 23:50:54 :nod: but I guess on video calls it will demand max clock freq no matter if needed or not Mar 10 23:51:10 yes sure Mar 10 23:51:16 I am right now monitoring with conky Mar 10 23:51:30 and 1000MHz is really high Mar 10 23:51:38 yes Mar 10 23:51:52 it is really stable though Mar 10 23:52:03 put that 3 days ago, no problems at all Mar 10 23:52:05 see if you get away with 800 or even default Mar 10 23:52:20 sure but the UI is less responsive Mar 10 23:52:26 and has lot of lags everywhere Mar 10 23:52:43 EM wear is a slow nonfreversible process Mar 10 23:53:00 ok time to go home :) i will keep testing there ! will reconnect in some minutes (it is almost 9PM here in brasilia) Mar 10 23:53:20 a bit later here Mar 10 23:54:07 c ya ! thanks for the tips Mar 10 23:54:09 brb Mar 11 01:05:57 OK, now a almost last word on OC: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3525-hirel.pdf page 122 3.3 Recommended Operating Conditions Mar 11 01:07:25 5% Mar 11 01:07:53 100K total PowerOnHours when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 (overdrive = 600MHz) to less than 23K POH. --- for commercial grade device (up to 95°C) Mar 11 01:08:43 however none of those is the 100% equivalent to the 3430 iirc Mar 11 01:09:31 50K total POH when operating across all OPPs and keeping the time spent at OPP5 to less than 10K POH. Total FaultsInThousand(?) Rate increases from design goal of 50FIT to 70FIT under these accelerated conditions. (for MIL(?) 105°C max devices) Mar 11 01:10:51 javispedro: errr, afaik we got a 3530 in N900 Mar 11 01:11:10 I'm not sure if we got an A type (MIL 105°) Mar 11 01:12:01 hm? Mar 11 01:12:37 n900 is officially 3430 -- while 35xx are just "non mass market" equivalents to 34xx, I'm not sure the 3530 maps exactly to the 3430 Mar 11 01:12:53 as far as I know, the 3530 is the one in Pandora which was rated up to 720Mhz Mar 11 01:13:00 isn't it the other way round Mar 11 01:13:13 aah market of the masses, yeah Mar 11 01:14:07 same for 36xx vs 37xx Mar 11 01:14:35 nah, 35xx is rated for commercial usage (like in FIT etc, warranty, guaranteed time til EOL), and otherwise identical to 34xx AFAIK Mar 11 01:16:15 I believe it's the other way =) Mar 11 01:16:22 the max freq rating is a property of the particular build you order, as 35xx is "built to order" while 34xx is sold at TI specs Mar 11 01:16:22 either way doesn't matter, it's nearly bed time =) Mar 11 01:17:15 whatever it is, you see the time til failure gets reduced drastically by a 10°C more Mar 11 01:17:46 and could easily be as short as 10k hours operation time @ 600MHz Mar 11 01:18:39 yep Mar 11 01:18:46 where you expect to see 7 of 100 devices broken after that 10kh Mar 11 01:19:46 increasing temperature or clock marginally will exponentially reduce lifetime until devices start to burn out Mar 11 01:20:10 at 800MHz we might be at 1000h Mar 11 01:21:22 all heavily depending on Nokia's temperature concept in N900, which might even cause CPU to heat up to way more than 105° when overclocked Mar 11 01:43:25 well, maybe javispedro is right, and it's the 35xx series that are for normal mortals and the 34xx that are for OEMs building >10^6 devices Mar 11 01:44:42 * nox- suddenly has mental images of n900 with builtin fans... Mar 11 01:44:43 bbl Mar 11 01:45:11 hehe Mar 11 01:54:04 I guess the phone would be slightly less portable if you just cable tied some fans to it too :/ Mar 11 01:58:46 i am pleased Mar 11 01:59:14 i can stream pandora riding down the road and rebroadcast it to my fm radio on my bike Mar 11 02:06:17 hi dangergrrl Mar 11 02:08:19 (fans) I got a few nice ideas to build forced ventilation into handheld without using classical fans of any miniaturized size Mar 11 02:09:01 does air even get into an n900? Mar 11 02:09:30 well, between kbd and screen there's no case, it's "open" Mar 11 02:09:51 pretty good dust collector Mar 11 02:10:32 I didn't refer to N900 about those ventilation ideas Mar 11 02:11:31 well untill proven otherwise i still think it's the best handheld linux pc around Mar 11 02:11:37 I invented a few concepts for the never-built Openmoko gta04-mk2 I designed a while ago Mar 11 02:12:48 dangergrrl: you're in good company about that notion here Mar 11 02:13:14 so what device can i get with dual core arm that's documented well enough for kernel hacking? Mar 11 02:13:46 dual arm cores? errr... Mar 11 02:14:19 i talked someone into ressurecting the utah oskit Mar 11 02:14:20 pandaboard Mar 11 02:14:24 well, actually N900 has 2 arm cores, one in SoC and one in BB5 cmt Mar 11 02:14:30 he wants me to help i think Mar 11 02:14:40 i'm mostly interested in SMP stuff Mar 11 02:15:11 DocScrutinizer: ok I am at home and now it works really fine ! Mar 11 02:15:13 wow Mar 11 02:15:15 incredible Mar 11 02:15:23 :-D Mar 11 02:15:37 the codec is ugly for the phone Mar 11 02:15:45 but I do see the image perfectly on the phone from the pc Mar 11 02:15:55 but on the other side it is ugly Mar 11 02:16:13 the cam is ugly on the N900 :-P That's not the codec's fault Mar 11 02:16:24 do you know if there is any kind of tuning params for telepathy ? Mar 11 02:16:30 get more light, that helps a lot Mar 11 02:17:07 yep I did that but the image is still ugly Mar 11 02:17:10 front cam is really abysmal Mar 11 02:17:12 sometimes it does a complete frame Mar 11 02:17:19 but then starts adding ugly boxes Mar 11 02:17:24 ooh Mar 11 02:17:29 that's codec in fact Mar 11 02:17:34 yep Mar 11 02:17:48 I dont know if it is a bandwidth problem, would like to check those settings. where are they ??? Mar 11 02:18:02 NFI Mar 11 02:18:31 this is interesting: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#Which_video_codec_do_I_need.3F Mar 11 02:18:44 ask colabora about where are those 300+ missing pages of docs about telepathy Mar 11 02:19:57 lol Mar 11 02:20:41 let me see if it is related to bandwidth or codec Mar 11 02:20:49 I will do a home home call Mar 11 02:21:29 gstreamer-codecs-ugly I've seen on N900 Mar 11 02:22:23 make sure it's actually not running across your internet connection twice Mar 11 02:23:08 a lot of routers can't reach their own public IP from W(L)AN Mar 11 02:23:39 apparently there are issues with wifi access points or routers for SIP technology Mar 11 02:23:48 I had to update my router's firmware (ddwrt) Mar 11 02:23:55 and of course you can't call yourself, so you'd need a second account somewhere I guess Mar 11 02:24:06 the strange part is now my pc connects via wifi but my phone doesnt via wifi, only via 3g Mar 11 02:26:42 I did create 2 accounts :p Mar 11 02:27:02 and call from wifi to 3g etc.. Mar 11 02:27:20 it would be really nice to find logs about wtf is going on there Mar 11 02:29:51 so sipgate in us is out of numbers for now Mar 11 02:35:52 DocScrutinizer: ok all the logs seem to go to dbus. I launched dbus-monitor and see lot of junk there Mar 11 02:35:54 lol Mar 11 02:36:38 dangergrrl: duh, never knew they are in USA now as well Mar 11 02:37:37 kpoman: dbus aren't logs, and you'll see lots and lots of stuff unrealted to telepathy Mar 11 02:38:15 kpoman: try lsof Mar 11 02:39:48 http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Logger Mar 11 02:40:07 http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging Mar 11 02:41:20 it doesnt show anything related to sofia nor sip Mar 11 02:41:26 FOO_PERSIST=1 FOO_DEBUG=all /path/to/telepathy-foo 2>&1 | tee foo.log Mar 11 02:41:27 (where foo should be gabble for Jabber, and the name of the relevant CM for the protocol you're having trouble with...) Mar 11 02:41:48 sipgate.com but they have no more numbetrs for now Mar 11 02:42:55 it is /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip Mar 11 02:43:03 yup Mar 11 02:43:08 sounds correct Mar 11 02:43:13 do I do SOFIA_PERSIST=1 SOFIA_DEBUG=all /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip ? Mar 11 02:43:27 SOFIASIP I guess Mar 11 02:43:38 what is tee ? tail -f ? Mar 11 02:43:49 tee is a cmd Mar 11 02:44:05 it logs to a file AND stdout Mar 11 02:44:46 DocScrutinizer: well It didnt print a single thing Mar 11 02:44:48 :s Mar 11 02:44:49 damend Mar 11 02:44:56 you can use >foo.log instead of |tee foo.log, if your're not interested in realtime output Mar 11 02:45:17 you've read the website? Mar 11 02:45:32 >>Obtaining logs Mar 11 02:45:42 http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Debugging Mar 11 02:46:00 maybe I did run with root instead of user ? Mar 11 02:46:28 no, same thing as user Mar 11 02:46:31 let me see the link Mar 11 02:48:04 I apologize to colabora for my rant about the missing 300 pages, seems I found them :-) Mar 11 02:54:21 I will ask on telepathy channel Mar 11 02:57:02 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3264.html The offer will contain zero or more media streams (each media stream is described by an "m=" line and its associated attributes) Mar 11 02:59:12 >>In all cases, the formats in the "m=" line MUST be listed in order of preference, with the first format listed being preferred. In this case, preferred means that the recipient of the offer SHOULD use the format with the highest preference that is acceptable to it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 11 02:59:57 2011