**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:57 2011 Mar 15 03:00:28 actually I already thought two days ago that most propably they'll get a meltdown as too many systems fucked up Mar 15 03:00:40 you just can't cool down nuclear reactor with firetrucks Mar 15 03:00:54 or maybe you can ONE, but not multiple at the same time Mar 15 03:02:43 Jartza: ++ Mar 15 03:06:24 hydrogen explosion on reactor 4 allegedly Mar 15 03:06:31 and fire... Mar 15 03:06:51 (was on nhk world so official enough) Mar 15 03:07:22 they mentioned a fire, had they mentioned an explosion? I'm guessing the outer containment again? Mar 15 03:07:54 i think they also talked about hydrogen explosion Mar 15 03:08:20 (or am i mixing this up now? its late here... :) Mar 15 03:09:15 <******> Again, doing the math, a relative comparison suggests Fukushima is 0.00002% of the Chernobyl levels of radiation. These 'meltdowns' have nothing in common, unless you believe .000002% - below the mSv of a CT scan - is a public health threat. Mar 15 03:09:43 <******> that's a bit old, but CT scan is ~2mSv Mar 15 03:09:56 now at 400mSv of course Mar 15 03:21:44 BREAKING NEWS: Fire at No.4 reactor apparently put out: Tokyo Electric Mar 15 03:26:44 they did something rite Mar 15 03:27:43 the rest of this has been plaauged by the HomerSimpson effect Mar 15 03:28:33 I don't remember homer having to deal with an 8.9 earthquake Mar 15 03:28:48 was that in one of the later, crappier, episodes? Mar 15 03:29:44 prob Mar 15 03:30:17 it did the quake fine it was the flooding of the generators that did it in Mar 15 03:32:06 to think if they didnt scram with the quake the;d probably be fine ... but all nuke plants are set to scram at a quake Mar 15 03:32:20 well, anyway allegedly the PV of #2 is broken Mar 15 03:32:43 yep thats what thee thinnking Mar 15 03:33:27 also they called out nuke emergency on Fuckishima-II plus 2 other plants Mar 15 03:33:59 crap so 5 & 6 are having issues now? Mar 15 03:34:08 I already wondered why we don't hear about Fukushima-II Mar 15 03:34:30 the entire country is on a state emergency, in case you did not know... Mar 15 03:34:36 its rite next to plant #1 it has 2 reactors Mar 15 03:34:53 plant #1 has 4 reactors Mar 15 03:35:09 javispedro: go debate the correct translation with somebody else Mar 15 03:37:25 err, Fukushima Daiichi has 6 blocks, Fukushima Daini has 4 Mar 15 03:38:06 aiui Daiichi commonly referred to as Fuku-I Mar 15 03:38:53 hmmm totaly confusing Mar 15 03:39:26 daiichi is where all the probs are? Mar 15 03:39:27 Isn't fukushima II daniee? :) Mar 15 03:39:53 daiichi meaning the first, daini meaning the second =) Mar 15 03:40:03 ok :) Mar 15 03:40:16 http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/12/japan-nuclear-earthquake/ http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/14/fukushima-more-technical-info/ http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html to cure a bit of your confusion Mar 15 03:40:26 so it's FFFFFUUUUUU and Fukushima II Mar 15 03:43:00 You Europeans are up too late. Mar 15 03:43:26 tbh yes, doing stupid stuff as usual. Mar 15 03:43:27 * lofty306 was pppretty shure reactors 1-3 and a fire at 4 at plant 1 were having the issuess. Mar 15 03:44:57 yeah, going to sleep soon :) Mar 15 03:45:00 it's soon 6am :) Mar 15 03:47:34 Leiberman needs to die already. Mar 15 03:48:55 so nights everyone :) Mar 15 03:49:00 nite Mar 15 03:49:32 BREAKING NEWS: Small amounts of radioactive substances detected in Tokyo Mar 15 03:51:36 eek! Mar 15 03:52:23 anythng matching what was released from the reactors? Mar 15 03:52:52 That's better. Mar 15 03:54:29 lofty306: no more info than that Mar 15 03:55:46 k Mar 15 03:57:51 nikkei down 1000pts Mar 15 03:57:53 ouch Mar 15 03:59:22 did i just see rite nother blast at the nuke plant? or ther repeatiing themselves? Mar 15 04:00:44 there's been a 3rd one, then a fire which is now supposedly out Mar 15 04:05:19 that is where i am for a few hours now Mar 15 04:13:23 * DocScrutinizer yawns Mar 15 04:14:02 I really wish they had "better weather" in Japan Mar 15 04:15:17 the sequence of events at Fukushima basically was inevitable once it was clear the mobile generators wouldn't make it, but the weather... :-/ Mar 15 04:18:38 i just found The tsunami wave that hit the plant measured at least 7 metres in height, compared to the maximum 6.5 metre case the plant was designed to cope with. Mar 15 04:19:18 you know there's a guy with a hardhat, standing there, watching it saying "I fucking knew we should have built it higher" Mar 15 04:19:44 yep aand the quake was stronger than designed for though than didnt directly cause this Mar 15 04:20:26 there's another plant even closer which had no issues :/ Mar 15 04:20:29 and another saying " i told them to put the generators on the roof" Mar 15 04:20:34 heh Mar 15 04:22:52 oh shit Mar 15 04:22:53 http://world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Possible_damage_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_2_1503111.html Mar 15 04:23:19 like highrise buildings put the dc generator for the elevator motors on the roof regardless of weather the elevator motors are in the basement or the tower Mar 15 04:26:02 below it is either the floor of containment vessel or the coolant loop for the core and the heat exchanger to the 2nd loop Mar 15 04:26:26 that's 8mSv, right? not so bad Mar 15 04:27:23 ? Mar 15 04:27:33 looks like this might not be that bad, relatively speaking Mar 15 04:27:40 unless the shtf on this too Mar 15 04:28:52 it was prob ond of the cooling loops that went Mar 15 04:28:57 one Mar 15 04:30:03 if #2 not so bad cause it couldnt cool anything already they were directlly ppumping seawater into the core Mar 15 04:30:16 byppassing the reg cooling setup Mar 15 04:30:16 was already supposed to be off Mar 15 04:30:47 that too but they got that going again after the explosiion in #2 Mar 15 04:31:00 the last explosion Mar 15 05:11:00 doc|home: consider the wind now directly transports from Fuku to Tokyo. Don't expect they miss to accidently insert a "m" if it wasn't milliS but Sievert. A panic in Tokyo would cause way more fatalities than whatver radiation might come from over there Mar 15 05:12:18 DocScrutinizer: wind is moving west Mar 15 05:14:42 hmm, my weatherude shows forecasts that exactly hit Tokyo, with a little detour over inland, as wind will take some 10..20h to transport, and it's moving again counter clockwise during that period Mar 15 05:14:52 weather dude* Mar 15 05:17:26 wow Mar 15 05:17:28 https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=2125.0;all Mar 15 05:17:32 read the last post Mar 15 05:17:46 what kind of idiot OCs to 1150 MHz and leaves it maxing out CPU? Mar 15 05:18:03 the kind named Gokhan? Mar 15 05:18:14 he'll have no battery life either Mar 15 05:18:45 well, that will only be a problem for a month or two Mar 15 05:18:56 hehe Mar 15 05:41:46 http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78135.html Mar 15 05:45:11 Sooo, have we got another explosion? Mar 15 05:45:53 3 total sofar Mar 15 05:46:08 unless another in the last 30m or so Mar 15 05:47:18 there are news that the 4th reactor exploded around 5:53MSK Mar 15 05:47:24 Not so much a new explosion as melty fuel rods in reactor 2. Mar 15 05:47:30 that will be 3 hours ago Mar 15 05:47:38 RST38h: Just a fire, I think, not an explosion. Mar 15 05:48:07 Ah, ok. A bit later then... Mar 15 05:48:26 fire on #4 they put that out #2 exploded Mar 15 05:48:51 but internaly the outter buildiing is intact Mar 15 05:49:09 The whole thing feels like a really cheap Japanese horror movie Mar 15 05:49:20 I assure you it's very expensive. Mar 15 05:49:23 they thought the inner coontainment may be effected and expanded the evacuation area Mar 15 05:49:42 derf: Yea, I mean, it is not1.5 hours long! Mar 15 05:50:23 this horror movie is going to last a LONG time... they're staring down the barrel of 7-8+ aftershock in the next couple of days, like incorporating another tsunami Mar 15 05:50:38 doc: no way... Mar 15 05:51:03 seemingly that's how these things play out Mar 15 05:51:12 like any cheap horror movie Mar 15 05:51:16 same plot Mar 15 05:51:19 night :( Mar 15 05:51:29 heh Mar 15 05:51:39 Except there should be Godzilla comingout of the Tokyo bay any time now. Mar 15 05:51:58 I don't think aftershocks in Chile last year got aout 6.6. Mar 15 05:52:10 *above Mar 15 05:52:20 look at christs church it took a moonth or more for the big aftershoockk Mar 15 05:52:39 I really feel sorry for whats happening to Japan now Mar 15 05:53:05 hey how do I avoid the SASL identification with this server when trying to connect from my 3G network? Mar 15 05:53:07 after shooocks can be upto 1 whole number less than the orrigioonal Mar 15 05:54:04 can't connect to freenode from my 3G network Mar 15 05:54:23 use the web chat ssh to another linbox not on tmo , figure out how to install the sasl script Mar 15 05:54:48 then tell me Mar 15 05:56:09 freenode has sasl scripts for irssi and xchat Mar 15 05:56:21 doont remember where they are Mar 15 05:57:26 as i remember xchat on the n900 doont have python or perl installed Mar 15 06:23:43 07:20 <+pupnik> "the cooling system failed" Mar 15 06:23:43 07:20 <+pupnik> is not an explanation of why the cooling system failed Mar 15 06:23:44 07:20 <@maggijo> yes it is Mar 15 06:23:49 people are stupid Mar 15 06:25:19 yepyep Mar 15 06:25:39 failure of the cooling system could cause further failure of the cooling system ;) Mar 15 06:25:45 recursive failures! Mar 15 06:26:08 stack overflow! Mar 15 06:26:29 this was offered as an 'explanation' by two women seperately Mar 15 06:26:55 then coredump Mar 15 06:29:47 has anyone did a radiological survey to see how high the effected area is? Mar 15 06:30:23 probaby but not telling us Mar 15 06:30:38 ds3: 20km right now Mar 15 06:30:55 * ds3 goes to look up how high the jetstream is Mar 15 06:31:16 they got geiger counters about the plant Mar 15 06:31:20 and outside Mar 15 06:31:52 doh.. they start at 16km Mar 15 06:31:57 the uss reagan detected radiation 160miles off the coast and steemed outta the area Mar 15 06:32:05 has anyone detected particles in the EU yet? Mar 15 06:32:20 Tokyo Electric Power Company says radiation levels reached 8,217 microsieverts per hour near the front gate of the Fukushima No.1 nuclear power station at 8:31 AM Tuesday. Mar 15 06:33:17 background level there is around 0.035 mSv Mar 15 06:33:51 does the bot here convert from sieverts to curies? Mar 15 06:34:07 heh Mar 15 06:34:08 * RST38h detects a particle, catches it into a glass jar Mar 15 06:35:10 think it is time to find a geiger counter and keep fresh batteries around :/ Mar 15 06:35:23 wheres raster when you need him Mar 15 06:36:06 probably digging a shelter Mar 15 06:36:16 heh Mar 15 06:36:22 now if there was only a bluetooth geiger counter and have the N900 generate alerts based on that Mar 15 06:36:38 he Mar 15 06:36:41 h Mar 15 06:37:07 they did detect rads in tokyo but didnt elaborte Mar 15 06:38:36 HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- Radiation levels in Tokyo surged to 23 times normal on Tuesday, according to reports that cited readings released by the Tokyo metropolitan government. Mar 15 06:39:45 SpeedEvil: did you find the password manager? Mar 15 06:40:47 start adding a bookmark Mar 15 06:40:53 change the name to Password Manager Mar 15 06:41:00 change the url to chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Mar 15 06:44:15 http://twitpic.com/49mm4l/full this may help ds3 Mar 15 06:46:55 I've seen charts like that before in curies Mar 15 06:47:18 put one next to other? Mar 15 06:47:38 im loosing it Mar 15 06:47:44 or was that rads Mar 15 06:48:10 idunno Mar 15 06:49:45 * timeless_w7ip kicks lofty306 Mar 15 06:49:49 s/loosing/losing/ Mar 15 06:49:55 Found it: "The problem, Mr Wilson said, was that the hook-up is done through electric switching equipment that is in a basement room flooded by the tsunami." http://www.smh.com.au/environment/a-growing-nuclear-dread-20110314-1bueo.html Mar 15 06:50:01 * timeless_w7ip slit's lofty306's tongue Mar 15 06:50:08 * timeless_w7ip lets loose some blood Mar 15 06:50:26 * lofty306 glues it back on and typoes timeless_w7ip to insanity Mar 15 06:50:35 do not use a loose tongue, you will lose respect of your peers Mar 15 06:51:12 well put timeless_w7ip Mar 15 06:51:12 lofty306: i just got a reply from a game designer who was shipping a game w/ "You Loose" (i.e. "You [female] Slut") Mar 15 06:51:23 heheh Mar 15 06:51:27 haha Mar 15 06:51:49 it seems to be a common mistake Mar 15 06:51:54 but it's rather unfortunate Mar 15 06:52:14 in some parts of the world >50% of the audience is female Mar 15 06:52:16 Meanwhile in Brunei: http://gizmodo.com/#!5781866/the-sultan-of-bruneis-rotting-supercar-collection Mar 15 06:52:24 and in your average game, "Game Over" is the standard end case Mar 15 06:52:28 which means everyone will see it Mar 15 06:53:56 How many people will interpret "loose" as "slut"? Mar 15 06:54:49 Google dictionary lists this meaning as item #11 =) Mar 15 06:55:34 wwwtitle: www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/6/21/233941/642 Mar 15 06:57:48 hit two is disturbing: http://www.womens-health.com/boards/sex/11153-how-loose-you.html [NSFW] Mar 15 07:01:25 oh geez caNT STop laughing Mar 15 07:02:14 well that sucked Mar 15 07:02:24 my ideapad started chirping Mar 15 07:02:38 i was afraid it was having a heart attack Mar 15 07:02:44 i started recording it with my n900 Mar 15 07:02:50 and then it blue screened Mar 15 07:03:36 hehehe Mar 15 07:04:07 you can always count on a blue screen at soome ppoinnt Mar 15 07:05:25 timeless_xchat, any ideas for a decent touchpadd? not to expensive? Mar 15 07:06:17 prob atom cpu Mar 15 07:06:21 so, most of the ones i've seen suck Mar 15 07:06:51 i have a lenovo s10-3t because it was a give-away to meego conf dublin attendees Mar 15 07:06:54 timeless.justdave.net/20110315_002.mp4 Mar 15 07:06:56 imlooking exopc but its like $700 Mar 15 07:07:07 s/its/it's/ Mar 15 07:07:49 but it seems whimpy spec wise to others i see but cant find Mar 15 07:12:08 * timeless_xchat goes off to install ie9 Mar 15 07:12:24 eww, that's scary Mar 15 07:12:36 haha just clicked install ie9 Mar 15 07:12:42 mse claims the ie9 installer turned it off Mar 15 07:13:17 and it is now pushing ie8 on me Mar 15 07:13:35 8? Mar 15 07:14:03 i clickked to d/l ie9 Mar 15 07:14:34 btw, are you using ie to trigger the download? Mar 15 07:14:42 yeah Mar 15 07:14:52 geuss its for w7 Mar 15 07:15:05 did it offer w32/w64 or just one flavor? Mar 15 07:15:09 ijust put xppro in a vm it not like that Mar 15 07:15:37 yeah um, xp is kinda on an EoL process Mar 15 07:15:45 never got to dl it it saw xp and said install ie8 that is already installed Mar 15 07:16:05 it'll get there around 2014 iirc Mar 15 07:16:39 heh i just need win for one activ x site i gotta use Mar 15 07:17:00 you have my sympathies Mar 15 07:18:02 tell me about it havent got the mouse speed to cooperate yet in the vm Mar 15 07:18:32 modiified it in controll panel but its still screwie Mar 15 07:19:22 aatleast i doont gotta boot into it anymore Mar 15 07:19:28 it's equivalent to running Red Hat 7.2 (Enigma) today Mar 15 07:19:46 do you remember Enigma? Mar 15 07:19:50 nope Mar 15 07:20:01 i never did rhh Mar 15 07:21:04 for perspective, 7.2 was roughly RHEL2.1 Mar 15 07:21:22 started on suse8.2 that lasted a month till i installed gentoo been there ever since though i got ubuntubbies on my laptops now Mar 15 07:22:21 the debian equivalent was Potato Mar 15 07:23:11 it was released in 2000 and EoL was 2004 Mar 15 07:23:59 can someone tell me if Slink is really still supported? Mar 15 07:26:53 now watching your blue screen of death Mar 15 07:28:00 the suse equivalent is 7.3 and its EoL was in 2003 Mar 15 07:28:15 wow Mar 15 07:39:27 the equivalent OS X is 10.1 Puma Mar 15 07:40:03 crap dd of a cd to an .iso and humming away at top speed driiving me nutss Mar 15 07:40:15 apple doesn't announce EoLs, but it was effectively dead mid 2002 Mar 15 07:41:08 and was definitely dead in 2004 Mar 15 07:41:29 ... people really don't appreciate microsoft's long support periods Mar 15 07:41:53 618061824 bytes (618 MB) copied, 239.456 s, 2.6 MB/s Mar 15 07:44:05 for some reason, my favorite windows program has decided to show strings in random languages Mar 15 07:44:58 i've seen one cjk, a romanian, and i think a spanish and a german Mar 15 07:47:26 it appears to have been the c of cjk Mar 15 07:51:53 anyway, the app is Soluto Mar 15 07:52:42 fwiw, microsoft isn't quite alone Mar 15 07:53:02 Solaris 8 was released in 2000 and its EoL is 2012 Mar 15 07:53:29 Solaris 9 was released 2002/2003 and its EoL is 2014 Mar 15 07:53:45 well but then sun boxes tend to be... drop it in and never think about it again... Mar 15 07:53:53 atleast from what I've heard Mar 15 07:54:00 very solid build quality and so on Mar 15 07:54:02 few failures Mar 15 07:54:12 ruskie: depends on usage. Mar 15 07:54:16 so it would make sense to have long support periods Mar 15 07:54:21 generally yeah Mar 15 07:54:38 my solaris box was living in the basement at work for a long time Mar 15 07:54:56 sadly it got stuck and i forgot how to configure networking Mar 15 07:55:08 so now it's in my office waiting for me to poke it Mar 15 07:55:13 hehe Mar 15 07:55:28 never really know how to do it so always had to look up stuff when I did set it up Mar 15 07:55:35 the hazard of a box that's too stable... you don't remember how to use it Mar 15 07:55:42 * timeless_xchat nods Mar 15 07:55:42 but we sold those on to the main office Mar 15 07:57:11 ruskie: well dont drop it in from too high and then yes they go for 10-20 years without a tick Mar 15 07:57:56 chx, that's generally the info I got Mar 15 07:59:31 poor Windows 2000 reached EoL last year Mar 15 07:59:51 and i was using that in '99 or thereabouts Mar 15 08:00:15 my sun was installed with solaris 10 like 2-3 of more years ago and i forgot how to do anythign on it but use it it never goes haywire Mar 15 08:00:17 (starting w/ nt5b2 iirc) Mar 15 08:01:13 though i did at the time add root and bash to maake life simple Mar 15 08:01:33 though i did at the time i did add root and bash to maake life simple Mar 15 08:03:18 i was still using w2k last week till i needed activX Mar 15 08:04:40 after i blew up xp on my netbook not un turboing the boot while installing another os Mar 15 08:05:55 my desktop here still runs w2k, but it has hardware issues and i rarely use it Mar 15 08:06:03 it's from '98 Mar 15 08:06:49 so i put w2k in a vm see if i can flash things from the vm Mar 15 08:08:13 and yeah you geeussed it linux devices that only give you a loader to flash them from windows Mar 15 08:08:35 grr, the windows os page on wikipedia is locked Mar 15 08:09:25 hehe M$ prob wewrites it glorifying it to often Mar 15 08:09:36 *rewrites Mar 15 08:09:36 lofty306: you're telling gibberish Mar 15 08:10:35 ok Mar 15 08:10:40 lofty306: what's that ""linux devices that only give you a loader to flash them from windows""? Mar 15 08:10:59 yeah Mar 15 08:11:19 yeah is a linux device? Mar 15 08:11:25 yeah Mar 15 08:11:59 embedded linux and they only give me a loader that runs on windows Mar 15 08:12:21 that's really poor product support Mar 15 08:17:13 hmm i cant seem to get controll of the usb port from the vm Mar 15 08:26:23 morning Mar 15 08:50:36 lofty306: that's a known problem. IIRC there are suggestions how to solve that, but generally USB support in a VM is different to the real thing, and differs from VM to VM Mar 15 08:58:17 timeless_xchat: Wow! That's so intuitive! :) Mar 15 08:58:22 Thanks. Mar 15 09:00:21 A generic 'USB over foo' bridge protocol would be lovely. Mar 15 09:00:42 Hm... USB over UDP. That -would- be cool. Mar 15 09:01:03 I thought there was USB over TCP already Mar 15 09:01:14 Well, that'd work too, I suppose Mar 15 09:05:35 speedevil: iirc there's a wiki page that talks about it Mar 15 09:05:49 search the channel logs for the url Mar 15 09:06:55 thanks Mar 15 09:07:39 Not doing right now - it's pouring with rain, and I'm getting ready to bring in a massive load of insulation that I ordered. Mar 15 09:12:00 Morning all Mar 15 09:12:20 o/ Mar 15 09:12:23 sure there is USBoTCP Mar 15 09:13:26 \o Mar 15 09:58:06 I wonder how I could get the last character from a QString... Mar 15 09:58:52 endsWith() o_O Mar 15 10:05:06 MohammadAGL OMG Mar 15 10:05:12 A rich API! Mar 15 10:05:32 xD Mar 15 10:31:58 Morning, all Mar 15 10:32:33 hello Mar 15 10:33:36 HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mar 15 10:33:53 * SpeedEvil is trying to convince himself he's feeling energetic. Mar 15 10:34:34 morning Jaffa Mar 15 10:35:26 * RST38h hits SpeedEvil on the head with an OS/370 manual Mar 15 10:35:34 good mourning to you too Mar 15 10:47:48 RST38h: the proper mispronounciation is "good moaning" Mar 15 11:02:07 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> I thought it was 'gooed moening' Mar 15 11:04:09 nope, definitely moaning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNVU5ZjlgA Mar 15 11:04:26 so its gooed moaning? :) Mar 15 11:04:58 I'll leave that to the language experts :P Mar 15 11:05:07 :) Mar 15 11:27:44 Morning Mar 15 11:27:50 hi Mar 15 11:33:21 anyone tried swappolube? Mar 15 11:35:04 Many people, not me. Mar 15 11:35:24 It's just tweaking the kernel tweakables a bit. Mar 15 11:36:13 seems so Mar 15 11:37:03 visz: i use it why ? Mar 15 11:38:29 it's not in repository, but i guess it's safe to use Mar 15 11:39:26 its not? Mar 15 11:40:27 hmm Mar 15 11:40:49 its in extras-testing Mar 15 11:43:11 right Mar 15 11:46:50 ah, there was something wrong with my apt-cache Mar 15 12:20:09 Roar Mar 15 12:59:50 whee Mar 15 12:59:56 nokia shipping the free E7 Mar 15 13:00:56 Indeed. Mar 15 13:01:02 yep Mar 15 13:01:12 Mine is still on the DHL truck though Mar 15 13:07:56 * dashavoo , right now, wishes he could quit his job Mar 15 13:08:04 I don't cope with stress well Mar 15 13:34:22 dashavoo: what's your jobs ? Mar 15 13:37:35 chief operator at Tecpo in the north of tokyo ? Mar 15 13:38:42 hahaha Mar 15 13:42:43 it s not funny. Mar 15 13:44:09 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/15/preview_tablet_asus_eee_pad_slider/ <-- interesting Mar 15 14:19:10 * RST38h hails three copies of javispedro Mar 15 14:19:48 blame this multi channel madness =) Mar 15 14:20:18 and morning, all. Mar 15 14:24:48 omg qgil at the qradio thread Mar 15 14:25:01 and blaming qtmobility! Mar 15 14:25:38 qgil blaming qmobility? omg Mar 15 14:25:47 he is wearing thin, poor guy! =) Mar 15 14:26:46 I guess this is because QtMobility's Maemo radio support being incomplete is not subject to debate nor marketing. Mar 15 14:26:59 ruskie: indeed ... interesting Mar 15 14:27:46 qgil blaming something ? omg :) Mar 15 14:30:07 interesting indeed ruskie Mar 15 15:04:51 and clue why tethering would fail? Mar 15 15:12:49 dangergrrl, you used a slipknot? Mar 15 15:19:43 Can't I just run Dalvik on my phone? Mar 15 15:24:18 obviously you can! Mar 15 15:24:26 just upload it and execute it. Mar 15 15:26:12 actually, i'm with lolcat, i still don't understand why we can't run dalvik if the team is demoing it and it appears to work... we're just... not allowed? do we have to pirate it or something? >_> Mar 15 15:26:33 I thought it had been demo'd ON an n900 Mar 15 15:26:33 forgive me for not having stolen the poor guy's N900. Mar 15 15:26:57 <_< Mar 15 15:27:04 You can't pirate something that isn't out. And why don't you just wait for them to release it .. Mar 15 15:27:22 everyone keeps telling me that we'll never see it released for n900 Mar 15 15:27:26 ... Mar 15 15:27:33 Yup, and they're probably right Mar 15 15:27:59 ... Mar 15 15:28:09 but it works. I've seen it work (in videos at least) Mar 15 15:28:25 so... do i have to go break into the developer's server to get it? :/ Mar 15 15:28:42 developers tend not to like that. Mar 15 15:29:01 i tend to not like people who taunt me with a working solution and then stuff it away on a shelf Mar 15 15:29:12 so they can go fuck themselves Mar 15 15:29:54 I'd buy it if they let me Mar 15 15:32:26 alterego: Google have released Dalvik Mar 15 15:34:04 well, i'm at least talking about Alien Dalvik Mar 15 15:34:07 possibly different? Mar 15 15:34:46 rm_work: Who has it? we should beg for them to sell/borrow us the code Mar 15 15:36:13 rm_work: You don't _know_ it was working beyond 3 functions (roughly( Mar 15 15:36:27 Jaffa: i suppose that's true Mar 15 15:36:31 it could be smoke and mirrors Mar 15 15:36:42 lolcat: http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx Mar 15 15:37:01 their page uses n900 as their device :P Mar 15 15:37:02 * lolcat estnt them an email Mar 15 15:38:04 How much do you think alien dalvik can cost? Mar 15 15:38:29 Can't one of the devs here get a job there and leak it? Mar 15 15:38:37 lol Mar 15 15:38:55 Jaffa: rewatching the demo video, it appears they are actually running applications and doing stuff in them... Mar 15 15:39:01 lolcat: I don't think it's currently a consumer product - nor is there an indication they're going to release it as one Mar 15 15:39:06 I asked if I could try or buy it Mar 15 15:39:26 ccooke: That is pure evilness Mar 15 15:39:30 though the demo of googlemaps cuts off really quickly so i wonder if it wasn't working well Mar 15 15:39:42 All they've talked about is licensing it for individual apps Mar 15 15:39:56 yeah, it is sad, they are developing it on n900, and then saying "sorry, we won't release this for n900 ever" >_> Mar 15 15:40:00 which is ridiculous Mar 15 15:40:22 Yeah, they could release a limited version for the N900 only Mar 15 15:40:24 rm_work: I suspect it's just ugly to use. Mar 15 15:40:29 i'm imagining some doctors come up with a cure for cancer, and then say "sorry, but this isn't for use by anyone, we're just going to show you it works and then put it in a vault" Mar 15 15:40:29 So we could have it Mar 15 15:40:49 that is, individual apps work fine, but running the market and using that to install apps is probably badly broken Mar 15 15:40:49 do you think people wouldn't storm the gates with pitchforks then? >_> Mar 15 15:41:17 ccooke: Who needs the marked? We could make our own marked... Mar 15 15:41:20 it's a ridiculous analogy but i think it illustrates the point Mar 15 15:41:37 rm_work: there's quite a difference, though. Nobody is going to die for lack of android apps on the n900 Mar 15 15:41:43 i'd be 100% happier with n900 just from running the real google-maps app Mar 15 15:41:44 rm_work: We should threathen to make a free open-source version Mar 15 15:41:57 rm_work: not really. They have no duty or moral imperative to release their software. Mar 15 15:41:58 lolcat: i don't think they'd care Mar 15 15:42:12 rm_work: They couldn't sell it if we made a free version Mar 15 15:42:26 I want Spotify offline on my N900 Mar 15 15:42:27 I mean, I'm *dissapointed*, but I don't see how we'd have any right to hate them over it Mar 15 15:42:41 so instead, they should for some reason just save us the work and make it free because we threaten to possibly make it free in the future? >_> Mar 15 15:43:59 i firmly believe it is morally wrong to withold software that solves common problems... if you wrote it, and you don't ever plan to sell it, JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE IT. Mar 15 15:44:15 of course, i also believe that software patents need to be abolished Mar 15 15:44:55 but it's especially annoying when they taunt us with it Mar 15 15:45:18 well there's some problems with that Mar 15 15:45:21 rm_work: Okay. I agree over software patents, but... I do not believe that this solves a common problem. What's more, they are actively gtrying to sell it. Mar 15 15:45:22 it's more akin I suppose to holding a treat above a puppy's nose and never letting them have it Mar 15 15:45:25 and you are also a sw developer by trade putting everything out as foss? Mar 15 15:45:38 if you start giving it out you're discarding making a dime out of it in the far future. Mar 15 15:45:44 frals: i would if i was allowed Mar 15 15:45:57 but, like i said, if they were willing to sell it i would just buy it Mar 15 15:46:01 but from what i' Mar 15 15:46:13 *from what i've been told, it will just *not be available* Mar 15 15:46:29 thus: "if you wrote it, and you don't ever plan to sell it, JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE IT." Mar 15 15:46:31 rm_work: it will... for individual apps. Mar 15 15:46:43 and possibly not on n900. Mar 15 15:46:47 >_< Mar 15 15:47:05 and paid by oems, which have way more money than end users.. Mar 15 15:47:29 well, i have to go to a meeting, and i assume this discussion will be over when i get back, but Mar 15 15:48:04 if my company was going to do something similar, I would definitely leak the software to the public, because doing otherwise i would feel morally wrong Mar 15 15:48:11 software is meant to be used Mar 15 15:48:28 rm_work: they *are* trying to use it. Mar 15 15:48:35 * javispedro watches rm_work grew stallman-like beard. Mar 15 15:48:39 heh Mar 15 15:48:40 *grow Mar 15 15:48:42 Just not in exactly the way *you* (well... we) want Mar 15 15:48:50 i met stallman, he's a childish ass, but he has some damn good points Mar 15 15:49:26 had dinner with him actually.... disturbingly specific about his food too... Mar 15 15:49:32 anywho Mar 15 15:49:36 * rm_work goes to meeting Mar 15 15:58:02 javispedro: he will also need a teakettle and a plastic bag with the tea Mar 15 15:58:10 Oh, wait, he will also need flippers Mar 15 16:05:45 hello everyone Mar 15 16:05:52 i'm qt apps developer and i just created a page with my best creations (in beta stage), can i show you ? Mar 15 16:06:16 http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ Mar 15 16:06:55 ATm its just a page on my other site but i'm planning to put download link for .deb packages as soon i success in doing one Mar 15 16:08:01 thebootroo: would like to see them in extras if you mind Mar 15 16:08:11 why not int future Mar 15 16:11:17 what do you think about the ui stuff ? Mar 15 16:13:43 thebootroo: Uploading them to Extras(-devel) is better than shipping random binary debs Mar 15 16:16:18 i not sure, i'll surely provide my own installer script cause the built int App manager is a crap and fappman is just better but not as i want Mar 15 16:16:38 (i'm a non-easily satisfied person you know) Mar 15 16:16:39 thebootroo, the HAM has backup/restore capabilities Mar 15 16:16:44 and *works* Mar 15 16:16:59 it might be sluggish, but better that than having to rummage around for your random deb Mar 15 16:17:07 i've already started an app store like program Mar 15 16:17:16 Maemo extras process is designed to care for your source and packages :) Mar 15 16:17:21 you will not have to rummage Mar 15 16:17:42 * lcuk nods Mar 15 16:17:50 but how will user install our app store after flashing? Mar 15 16:18:00 currently I go to backup and restore from settings Mar 15 16:18:05 just dl one app using the way you want and this app will be used to install others apps Mar 15 16:19:06 * lcuk notes that an app mall will be better principle :) Mar 15 16:20:17 its just an very simple and beautiful app to install/remove/update the apps i provide on my ftp Mar 15 16:20:21 thebootroo: If you're starting your own "app store" project, you should engage other devs sooner rather than later, so it's not viewed a) with suspicion and b) as an installer for your own apps only Mar 15 16:21:04 in the first time it WILL be a store for my apps only Mar 15 16:21:10 thebootroo, note, MeeGo DeveloperEdition has no custom user front end for installing apps Mar 15 16:21:17 thebootroo: Meaning it (and they) doesn't go through any of the QA of Extras; don't get the publicity and discoverability of maemo.org/downloads/ or HAM; disappear when you do; ... Mar 15 16:21:25 and next i'll add a custom repos functions Mar 15 16:22:10 you know, in the very poor HAM, the apps will be flooded in the mass so not better Mar 15 16:22:21 users really need a better App Sotre Mar 15 16:22:25 *store Mar 15 16:22:51 but as i dont use the same schema as HAM i cant support all pakages out-of-the-box Mar 15 16:24:49 i'm not in the optic of a geek who customize his phone an brick it every week, but a standard user that want simpler apps for daily usage Mar 15 16:26:06 cause BTW a power user knows apt-get and dpkg so he can install manually apps (as i do personnaly, i prefer using Xterm + apt to upgrade instead of HAM or fapman Mar 15 16:26:19 pssst power users are lazy too ;) Mar 15 16:26:50 yes that's why i prefer typing one line of text instead of clicking and waiting a couple of time Mar 15 16:27:26 about the UI, did you noticed i use mainly a customized version of Harmattan Ui guidelines ? Mar 15 16:27:33 thebootroo, how do you gainroot without using ham? Mar 15 16:27:50 i use scripting behing my qt app Mar 15 16:27:58 i mean at first Mar 15 16:28:03 to install stuff with the console Mar 15 16:28:08 you need to install rootsh Mar 15 16:28:13 yes Mar 15 16:28:15 ie, have to already go through the pain Mar 15 16:29:08 i'm looking into a possibility to install the programs in home Mar 15 16:29:34 (very light programs and single user phone so no problem virtually) Mar 15 16:30:58 so, guys, i have to go Mar 15 16:31:32 bye Mar 15 16:59:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSgTH8EP8mk thoughts? Mar 15 17:41:30 looks neat Mar 15 17:44:37 shot with an N900, it pwns the N8 Mar 15 17:45:13 hi rm Mar 15 17:45:22 hey timeless_xchat Mar 15 17:45:24 how goes it Mar 15 17:46:00 MohammadAG good job Mar 15 17:46:15 i'm watching sp3000 play w/ an n8 Mar 15 17:46:52 timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8 Mar 15 17:46:56 timeless_xchat, I'm assuming you got bored already Mar 15 17:47:01 trx, thanks :D Mar 15 17:47:17 mohammadag: yep Mar 15 17:50:48 timeless_xchat: you trying to kill my neck? :P Mar 15 17:51:13 keep twisting my neck back and forth looking at this slideshow as the pics keep alternating their rotation 180d Mar 15 17:51:51 the N8 isn't really that fun Mar 15 17:51:53 really? Mar 15 17:52:08 i blame the n900 image viewer Mar 15 17:52:14 i used it to rotate Mar 15 17:52:44 heh Mar 15 17:52:57 heh Mar 15 17:53:02 timeless_xchat, is there any plugin that can forward flv files to the mediaplayer? Mar 15 17:53:08 (greasemonkey or otherwise) Mar 15 17:55:05 i'm personally lobbying for totem Mar 15 17:55:25 but you could get your own plugin that works like the nokia media plugin Mar 15 17:55:38 well, I have no experience in making FF addons Mar 15 17:55:49 and I'm really bored with having to update scripts to get flv links to the mediaplayer Mar 15 17:55:53 npapi, not ffaddons Mar 15 17:55:56 totem isn't on the N900 :P Mar 15 17:56:01 npapi? Mar 15 17:56:06 oh Mar 15 17:56:09 yeah Mar 15 17:56:14 netscape plugin api Mar 15 17:56:23 well, that too Mar 15 17:56:24 supported by opera and others Mar 15 17:56:29 but... Mar 15 17:56:35 so I'd rather have something to edit instead of code one from scratch Mar 15 17:56:37 flv isn't a plugin type Mar 15 17:56:50 you're actually triggering .swf Mar 15 17:56:59 which gets the flv Mar 15 17:57:04 i'd suggest you look at what real's downloader does Mar 15 17:57:31 or flashblockcss? Mar 15 17:57:45 MohammadAG: rtmpdump - sorta Mar 15 18:19:25 * DocScrutinizer yawns Mar 15 18:20:55 * n900evil yodels. Mar 15 18:30:52 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm#X10545110 Mar 15 18:30:56 Enjoy :) Mar 15 18:31:55 I saw this on theregister yesterday :) Mar 15 18:37:35 * MohammadAG curses 2.6.38 Mar 15 18:38:29 DocScrutinizer, you're right Mar 15 18:38:30 lock_code Mar 15 18:38:31 12345 Mar 15 18:38:36 ^ on a new device Mar 15 18:39:03 "We may not have or be able to recruit, retain and motivate appropriately skilled employees to implement successfully the Windows Phone smartphone platform and to work effectively and efficiently with Microsoft and the related ecosystem." Mar 15 18:39:14 * RST38h laughs diabolically, eats a toadstool Mar 15 18:39:29 "For example, our association with the Microsoft brand may impair our current strong market position in China" Mar 15 18:39:51 china? I thought those guys only bought nokla Mar 15 18:40:12 "The proposed Microsoft partnership may cause dissatisfaction and adversely affect the terms on which we do business with our other partners, mobile operators, distributors and suppliers, or foreclose the ability to do business with new partners, mobile operators, distributors and suppliers. " Mar 15 18:40:45 and for the paranoid: "We may be required or choose to share with Microsoft personal or consumer data that has been made available to us" Mar 15 18:40:54 Reading this text, one may assume that "microsoft" is some kind of a deadly virus Mar 15 18:40:59 combine that with the mynokia/cherry fiasco ;) Mar 15 18:41:00 indeed Mar 15 18:41:58 "Consumers may be more reluctant to provide personal data to us as a result of the proposed Microsoft partnership" lol Mar 15 18:42:25 The Windows Phone platform is a very recent, largely unproven addition to the market focused solely on high-end smartphones with currently very low adoption and consumer awareness relative to the Android and Apple platforms, and the proposed Microsoft partnership may not succeed in developing it into a sufficiently broad competitive smartphone platform. Mar 15 18:42:53 "We plan to ship a MeeGo-based mobile product later this year. If the market segment that we target with that mobile product does not materialize as expected, or if we fail to develop next-generation platforms, user experiences and mobile products, we may incur operating losses and accordingly not realize a return on our investment in this area. " Mar 15 18:43:08 ^^^ which "market segment"... ? Mar 15 18:43:24 javispedro: geeks! Mar 15 18:43:38 javispedro: but the wording is really weird there Mar 15 18:43:48 "or if we fail to develop next-generation platforms, Mar 15 18:43:53 user experiences and mobile products" <=== weird Mar 15 18:44:10 Well... MicroSoft has had like two decades of acting like a big corporation raping the users, they've been throttled back a bit as a result. Nokia's MyNokia and Ovi's undeletable Credit card number database are acting like the big corporation it isn't... so I'd probably feel safer giving my data to microsoft than nokia. Microsoft, Nokia, Google. In that order :-) Mar 15 18:44:10 So, they still believe they NEED to develop stuff based on Meego Mar 15 18:44:10 geeks do not fail to materialize ;) Mar 15 18:44:19 young hypsters, on the other side... Mar 15 18:44:33 ShadowJK: Not really Mar 15 18:44:51 ShadowJK: Microsoft is really lousy about the data it collects Mar 15 18:45:04 javispedro: hipsters buy iPhone. Mar 15 18:45:15 "Our management attention in smartphones and in the establishment of the new ecosystem for smartphones with Microsoft may result in less management attention paid to our mobile phones business. " Mar 15 18:45:32 And whoever these people are, there still was enough of them to make N900 a hit Mar 15 18:46:01 It is not exactly an iPhone, but most geeks know what it is and crave it Mar 15 18:46:32 * javispedro expects to read "a tsunami might hit one of our HQs, therefore impairing our ability to fulfill our deal with the devil..." Mar 15 18:46:32 was the N900 a hit? Mar 15 18:46:48 "In choosing to adopt Windows Phone as our primary smartphone platform, we may forgo more competitive alternatives achieving greater and faster acceptance in the smartphone market." Mar 15 18:46:55 chx: yes, according to sales figures Mar 15 18:47:16 in that case what moron stopped to follow up on the sucess? *facepalm* Mar 15 18:47:34 javispedro: This should read "If tsunami hits Mirosoft's HQ, thus impairing our ability to fullfill..." Mar 15 18:48:01 SEC filings are required to be pessimistic :) Mar 15 18:48:19 chx: Do watch "The Adventures of Baron Munhausen" by Terry Gilliam Mar 15 18:48:34 chx: It explains what happened at the very beginning Mar 15 18:48:55 javispedro: where's this stuff coming from? Mar 15 18:49:08 sec filling at http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm#X10545110 Mar 15 18:49:11 ShadowJK: Oh of course. But it is how directional and concrete this pessimism is... Mar 15 18:49:15 ah Mar 15 18:49:29 *filing : Mar 15 18:49:30 :P Mar 15 18:49:33 is it me or is Texrat's last message on maemo-community... weird? Mar 15 18:49:40 url? Mar 15 18:49:54 timeless_w7ip: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm#X10545110 Mar 15 18:50:07 no, for textrat's thing Mar 15 18:50:19 s/tr/r/ Mar 15 18:50:19 timeless_w7ip meant: no, for texrat's thing Mar 15 18:51:59 RST38h: chx: funnily enough, the N900 itself is one of the few phones mentioned in the text. Mar 15 18:52:26 (and I am yet to find any other nokia phone reference...) Mar 15 18:52:53 ah yes Mar 15 18:52:59 javispedro: it may have been the only phone whose sales weren't in line w/ expectations Mar 15 18:53:07 N8 is mentioned Mar 15 18:53:15 there's the C7 C6 E7 N8 mentioned at environment stuff Mar 15 18:53:23 environment? Mar 15 18:53:34 green manufacture, etc. Mar 15 18:53:49 "Our latest smartphone models—the Nokia C7, Nokia C6-01, Nokia E7 and Nokia N8—represent an important step in making our product portfolio more environmentally friendly, in that they make use of renewable and recycled materials such as bio-paints, bio-plastics and recycled metals. The Nokia C7 is the industry’s first mobile device to use bio paints and ..." Mar 15 18:54:23 investors don't care about that Mar 15 18:54:52 rst: some investers do strange investment strategies Mar 15 18:55:03 e.g. dumping stocks over environmental policy Mar 15 18:55:04 i got a eco friendly phone Mar 15 18:55:19 lg remarq Mar 15 18:55:33 made with mostly recycled materials Mar 15 18:55:40 including the packaging Mar 15 18:59:14 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/15/nokia-collects-design-patent-for-tablet-evokes-n8-aesthetics/ Mar 15 19:04:34 * javispedro still doesn't get the tablet craze. Mar 15 19:05:40 iPad Mar 15 19:10:09 * javispedro is actually for some reason doing objc development at the moment ;) Mar 15 19:10:48 or should I say smalltalkC. Mar 15 19:18:10 and people bitch about C++ Mar 15 19:18:18 obj-C is such a bolt-on Mar 15 19:18:31 completely foreign syntax to a C coder Mar 15 19:18:54 only thing that is good is the complete separation of interface / implementation Mar 15 19:19:22 as in you can implement more methods on the obj-c class than you declare on its interface Mar 15 19:19:32 without having to spell it out fully on the header file Mar 15 19:19:58 that alone is a boon for maintenability and containment of recompile Mar 15 19:20:13 you still have to declare ivars on the interface... Mar 15 19:20:18 the syntax makes me hurl Mar 15 19:20:23 have you guys seen Obj-C++ ? :) Mar 15 19:20:39 * RST38h yawns and goes over email Mar 15 19:21:27 RST38h: I'll take a nap :) Mar 15 19:21:48 timeless_w7ip: spectacular is what happens when you try to merge both, as, apart from both reinventing OO, both have some kind of exception support, runtime type information, etc. Mar 15 19:22:31 timeless_w7ip, seriously? :P Mar 15 19:22:40 njsf: it's not necessarily bad though Mar 15 19:22:49 (the very different syntax from C) Mar 15 19:23:00 you can bet that for ex. on a C++ calling delete on a ObjC class won't do what you think, and that adding a class with a destructor inside a objc class won't cause the c++ destructor to be invoked.. Mar 15 19:23:20 they're both bad ideas anyway Mar 15 19:23:24 javispedro: will be abomination either way Mar 15 19:24:28 kerio: Well it does make it feel a bolt Mar 15 19:25:55 hildon desktop crashed at some point Mar 15 19:26:15 can objc be checked, at least? Mar 15 19:26:39 * ShadowJK ponders how to get system menu widgets back Mar 15 19:27:38 does anyone know what the metal hook-like piece on the inside of the battery cover is? Mar 15 19:27:54 hi guys, any idea about this? http://pastebin.com/ZcxrMPea Mar 15 19:28:52 fun. Mar 15 19:29:23 but you're probably on a wrong channel.. Mar 15 19:30:44 oh yes Mar 15 19:34:20 MohammadAG, what device? Mar 15 19:34:34 N900 Mar 15 19:34:40 ah, killall hildon-status-menu fixed Mar 15 19:35:03 btw how do I reload the cpu load meter that crashed? Mar 15 19:35:24 cant help then, but on n800 there is a piece that shields the sd card Mar 15 19:35:38 killall Mar 15 19:35:49 if it didn't bring it back, killall again Mar 15 19:36:00 (status menu goes in safe mode sometimes) Mar 15 19:36:14 you mean killingall status menu? Mar 15 19:36:53 yes Mar 15 19:37:03 brb, swapping batts Mar 15 19:39:56 show me a pic MohammadAG Mar 15 19:55:55 hello everyone Mar 15 20:07:23 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-12.log.html#t2011-03-12T06:57:06 ((DocScrutinizer: duh, now 5 coremelts pending)) Shit, I hate to say it, but seems they now accepted maybe ALL 6 blocks at FUKU-I do whatever an unattended unmaintained reactor likes to do. I.E now 6 pending Mar 15 20:09:50 maybe #5 and #6 are so much chilled down (cold shutdown) so they remain stable even without any maintenance/cooling Mar 15 20:10:12 but that's all but clear right now Mar 15 20:10:48 for some reason if I put my device on a flat surface, the MCE reports it a in "portrait" mode (albeit no "rotate" signal has been emitted via DBUS ) :( Mar 15 20:10:54 coremelts on #1..#3 are a safe bet now however Mar 15 20:10:58 anyone knows a workaround? Mar 15 20:11:43 wow the accident got upgraded to SIX? Mar 15 20:12:10 anidel: strange. Try removing battery for some seconds. Sometimes LIS302 accelerometer chip gets decalibrated Mar 15 20:12:26 no it doesn't happen to me only... Mar 15 20:12:47 anidel: oh, sorry then. No idea Mar 15 20:12:54 thanks anyway :) Mar 15 20:13:08 anidel: thanks to the camera hump? Mar 15 20:13:36 mmm Mar 15 20:13:40 let's see Mar 15 20:13:41 GeneralAntilles: that'd be really bad Mar 15 20:14:30 no, and that only happens when I put the device in portrait mode (so Xournal rotates to Portrait) and then put it flat.. Mar 15 20:14:34 there should be a dead zone that doesn't trigger orientation changes until screen surface at least at 45° from flat Mar 15 20:14:43 at that point, if I read the orientation, it returns "portrait" Mar 15 20:15:00 anidel: so that's absolutely OK Mar 15 20:15:08 it technically is Mar 15 20:15:08 but no signal has been sent.. so the UI is portrait, but the item I'm going to show after the reading is the landscape one (a toolbar) Mar 15 20:15:23 sorry.. I was wrong.. it reports "landscape" Mar 15 20:16:45 one workaround I have is to store the orientation when the DBUS signal arrives...and don't read it from the MCE anymore Mar 15 20:16:49 but.. it's a workaround :P) Mar 15 20:17:31 hmm, sounds like you're comparing the actually real physical orientation of device as reported by some sensor, to the X orientation that stays in portrait when you turn the device flat from physical upright portrait Mar 15 20:18:54 apps mustn't read out sensor to get orientation, the must use the means that are provided via X or whatever Mar 15 20:18:58 I'm asking the MCE for MCE_DEVICE_ORIENTATION_GET Mar 15 20:19:07 as long as it's about display orientation Mar 15 20:19:08 if the UI is in portrait, it should return the same Mar 15 20:19:34 that is true, but that is what the official Maemo Documentation told us developers.. Conboy and others do the same.. Mar 15 20:20:11 Conboy stores the orientation and relies on that.. I do read the MCE after the DBUS signal has been sent, it should have been the same.. either is a bug or something else Mar 15 20:20:15 MCE_DEVICE_ORIENTATION_GET sounds like PHYSICAL device orientation, which obviously isn't always identical to screen or display rotation/orientation Mar 15 20:21:06 it's a bug in how you use, and interpret the semantics of, some signals Mar 15 20:21:24 true in most case, but it DOES know that the devices is flat on the ground.. so it shouldn't report "landscape" when it doesn't know it Mar 15 20:21:43 actually.. hang on Mar 15 20:21:45 actually it should report FALT Mar 15 20:21:47 FLAT Mar 15 20:22:24 which basically is neither LANDSCAPE nor PORTRAIT Mar 15 20:22:40 ah! it may be my bug after all! I'm comparing what it returns against "portrait"... and I am assuming (as it is different) than that it is in landscape! Mar 15 20:22:48 I'll check what is actually returning... Mar 15 20:22:53 but as mentioned above, that's absolutely deprecated for deciding which display orientation to use Mar 15 20:22:58 thanks Doc.. that opened my eyes Mar 15 20:23:17 yw Mar 15 20:23:25 well it is not.. if in that case it reports like "unknown" that it is fine... Mar 15 20:23:48 but please pretty please ask MohammadAG about which X flag to query about orientation, instead of talking to MCE Mar 15 20:23:57 it's just me that I was only dealing with "portrait"/"landscape" ignoring it knows also "flat" or "face down" Mar 15 20:24:48 as you said.. it should report FLAT or FACE UP or similar.. as said, it's my error in assuming that != "portrait" then is "landscape".. not MCE's fault. Mar 15 20:25:53 my speakers are VMPS RM/2 Mar 15 20:25:53 it's your error to talk to MCE at all, rather than ask X orientation of display, which might get locked to portrait even when device is objectively in a landscape position, and vice versa Mar 15 20:26:38 as said before: Mar 15 20:26:40 but please pretty please ask MohammadAG about which X flag to query about orientation, instead of talking to MCE Mar 15 20:28:11 as long as your app isn't a spirit-level or s stepcounter or the like, it MUST NOT talk to mce about physical device orientation Mar 15 20:28:15 ~2119 Mar 15 20:28:16 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Mar 15 20:29:52 especially display orientation got NOTHING to deal with accelerometer readings as of mce. Screen orientation is an abstract thing you have to read out from X Mar 15 20:30:50 please ask MohammadAG about it, as he's dealing with general portrait support in maemo now, for CSSU Mar 15 20:31:40 thanks for your attention Mar 15 20:32:35 for Gtk, use Gdk screen size-changed signal Mar 15 20:33:13 for Qt, resized(int) from QDesktopWidget Mar 15 20:33:49 thank you, MohammadAG Mar 15 20:33:52 if width>height then horizontal Mar 15 20:33:59 yep Mar 15 20:35:20 I know what MUST NOT mean. that was what available at that time. I work and have little time. My app already uses MCE for that. I'll fix the issue. I promise to look at listening to Gdk screen size-changed events and if it does not require much time I'll implement it that way. Promise. But if it requires time, no matter how people scream I will not change the code. Sorry. But I am looking at it right now. Mar 15 20:35:40 ? Mar 15 20:36:01 you check your main form's width and height Mar 15 20:36:08 whats takes time? Mar 15 20:36:40 anidel: then your app will break, as it is faking portrait on a supposed landscape display, that in fact got resized to portrait Mar 15 20:37:01 or any other permutation of the states not matching Mar 15 20:39:17 I'm not faking anything... I'm using (now) these orientation states from the McE: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mce-dev/dbus-names_8h.html Mar 15 20:40:03 anidel you really dont need them, thats what he is trying to explain Mar 15 20:40:16 I am no stupid :) I understood that. Mar 15 20:40:28 But the change may take too long and I simply may not have time to do it. Mar 15 20:40:35 you simply see if your app's width > height = horizontal Mar 15 20:41:04 thats my sugesstion, take it or leave it :) Mar 15 20:41:21 hey all :-) Mar 15 20:41:21 I'm not complaining about suggestions :) I accept them Mar 15 20:41:32 I know and understand I should do that.. that is clear. Mar 15 20:41:49 ok then :) Mar 15 20:42:04 but I think the MCE is used to detect for example if the devices if facing down or app Mar 15 20:42:07 i've buy a n900 today x) Mar 15 20:42:39 then you arent looking for current orientation of the application but the device's rotation xyz Mar 15 20:42:45 we're happy to include your app to the list of broken apps that mustn't get switched to portrait by standard means as they want to mess around with it by themselves. We got a few of those already. All of those also don't benefit from orientation lock implemented in newest CSSU Mar 15 20:42:48 so.. all I am saying, is that MCE is still reliable... not the perfect solution, I know and I'll try to change... Mar 15 20:44:07 mce is simply plain WRONG and not 'reliable' for this particular purpose Mar 15 20:45:28 Doc I appreciate what you're trying to do. A lot. But I've never appreciated your tone. Again "happy to include your app to the list of broken apps" is a tone I don't like. As I am happy to leave Xournal in that list if the change requires too much of my little time. Mar 15 20:46:12 basically you're looking out the window for blue sky to decide if you need warm clothes, rather than to watch the outside thermometer which would be the right thing Mar 15 20:47:28 sorry if my "tone" doesn't match your sensible demands and rules. It's not offensive in any way, it's just facts Mar 15 20:48:15 and as usual you don't listen. I said I UNDERSTAND perfectly what you are saying. I UNDERSTAND my app is broken, I UNDERSTAND and APPRECIATE you're trying to fix the status. But simply don't listen to WHY I MAY not do it. You don't accept it. And your tone goes way off. I don't like that. Didn't like it last time, don't like it now. Mar 15 20:48:19 we need such a list anyway, and we got no problem with your app included n that list (= "we're happy") Mar 15 20:48:44 I'm fine with that as well. Mar 15 20:48:59 so ok, we got that sorted. no bad feelings Mar 15 20:49:04 none Mar 15 20:49:14 DocScrutinizer: when you say things that way it comes off as antagonizing / snyde Mar 15 20:49:19 * rm_work throws himself in front of the bus Mar 15 20:49:43 not that I'm not guilty of doing it a lot... that's how i recognize it :P Mar 15 20:50:04 listening for raw mce without backing it up womething else is bad Mar 15 20:50:42 again and last time: I am NOT saying that I am happy to listening to it. I know that is wrong. Is that clear? Mar 15 20:50:55 to it = to mce Mar 15 20:51:12 ok... Mar 15 20:51:37 just ask someone to submit a patch :) maybe someone else is looking for something to do Mar 15 20:51:38 rm_work: hey. Mar 15 20:51:41 sup GA Mar 15 20:52:07 is it that difficult, also, to understand I work onXournal of very little spare time? = I may not have time to dig into this. Simple. You still keep the app in the bad list, fine...but why point it out? threaten ? or what? Mar 15 20:52:19 Things I learned today: You pay the ridiculous amount of money for 1st-party lens hoods because they don't go crooked on you without your noticing. Mar 15 20:52:31 it's open source.. the source is on gitorius and patches are more than welcome Mar 15 20:52:33 anidel: I wouldn't get worked up over it. ;) Mar 15 20:54:19 action and reaction.. if I react that way, there is a reason. With all the good will in fixing this in Xournal, when I read some words and perceive a tone, I react that way. Sorry, he is like that, I am like that...no bad feeling, things end here. Mar 15 20:54:46 anidel: oh, I don't disagree. It's just not worth the energy. Mar 15 20:55:20 yeah, there's a lot of people here you really just have to ignore most of the time :P Mar 15 20:55:24 why not? he's right that Xournal is broken. He's wrong in the way he seems to *force* people in doing what is (actually) correct. Mar 15 20:56:19 I don't want to ignore his suggestion.. it's more than valid and fine. It's only the way he delivers it Mar 15 20:56:42 yeah, but there are other people telling you the same thing, so pay attention to them and ignore him. problem solved. Mar 15 20:56:52 but oh well.. spent more time here than I was planning to... back to work. Mar 15 20:56:58 or ignore me, whichever makes you happier Mar 15 20:57:01 :p Mar 15 20:57:12 I'm going to ignore the whole channel for now :) bye and thanks Mar 15 20:57:27 GeneralAntilles: yeah sometimes buying the real thing is worth it Mar 15 20:57:37 anidel: later. Mar 15 20:57:48 honestly i do that more than not these days... i think on average i save money that way from less re-buying Mar 15 20:58:13 Still, $7.95 versus $45 was hard to swallow for a piece of plastic. Mar 15 20:58:22 yeah >_> Mar 15 20:58:31 i guess in that case at least it was cheap enough that it doesn't matter Mar 15 20:58:49 when it's less than 25% price difference is when it sucks to guess wrong Mar 15 20:59:23 But, yeah, I'm usually not one for the cheap knockoff method. Mar 15 20:59:24 like on computer parts Mar 15 20:59:53 like, hrm, an ASUS is $20 more than an ECS board, and the ECS is going to cost me $100 Mar 15 20:59:58 I think I'll go for the ASUS :P Mar 15 21:03:32 been trying to track down a blue 2010/2011 Lancer Ralliart for a while now Mar 15 21:03:36 fricking impossible Mar 15 21:03:50 I found a red 2010... Mar 15 21:04:04 red = 5 tickets/year Mar 15 21:04:12 can't do that anymore Mar 15 21:04:21 blue is the answer :P Mar 15 21:04:53 there's like five of them in the whole US i think.... Mar 15 21:05:13 (for sale, that is... and i think one sold last week which brings it to four) Mar 15 21:07:50 * SpeedEvil passes rm_work a can of cyan emulsion. Mar 15 21:07:56 lol Mar 15 21:08:20 I guess I could go get a paintjob but damn it feels painful to go immediately paint over the factory paintjob of a brand new car >_> Mar 15 21:08:40 * DocScrutinizer shrugs. Humans and their sensible feelings. oh my Mar 15 21:09:03 well, the other problem being that it's expensive to paint properly >_> Mar 15 21:09:06 Can the n900 act as a bluetooth headset? Mar 15 21:09:15 errr Mar 15 21:09:17 rm_work: why blue? Mar 15 21:09:18 don't think so Mar 15 21:09:49 rm_work: and why the hell would you want a nasty double-cluck flappy paddles? Mar 15 21:09:55 I need one for my ps3 and the nokia one has crap battery life Mar 15 21:10:03 GeneralAntilles: the blue is sooooo pretty, it makes me get all girly and giddy >_> Mar 15 21:10:13 GeneralAntilles: lol @ paddles Mar 15 21:10:18 Seriously. Mar 15 21:10:26 If there's no clutch pedal, then GTFO. Mar 15 21:10:51 the paddles are fairly lulz, but it's going to be for commuting, honestly I would have been ok with just straight auto :P Mar 15 21:11:13 but it's the best of both because it's a manual that shifts super-fast and super-accurately Mar 15 21:11:51 yay for TC-SST Mar 15 21:12:35 and has auto mode for when i'm trying to drive in stop-and-go traffic while eating a sandwich :P Mar 15 21:12:44 mmmm sandwich Mar 15 21:13:18 I could get an EvoX I suppose Mar 15 21:13:37 but honestly rather just have the SST in the ralliart Mar 15 21:16:22 It's not the best of both. Mar 15 21:16:24 It's the worst. Mar 15 21:16:32 You don't get nearly the control you would with a clutch. Mar 15 21:16:33 Nor the fun. Mar 15 21:16:36 lol Mar 15 21:16:43 EvoX is what I would go for. :P Mar 15 21:16:51 Even Top Gear loved that car. Mar 15 21:16:53 nearly the control? how about, i tell it to be a manual and i tell it when to shift? is that not control? lol Mar 15 21:16:59 yeah, i saw that vs the STI Mar 15 21:17:09 No clutch, no real control. Mar 15 21:17:21 erm Mar 15 21:17:24 it's not a slushbox BTW Mar 15 21:17:36 it does have a clutch, just no clutch pedal Mar 15 21:17:42 Yes, I know what a double-clutch system is. Mar 15 21:17:53 But if robots are controlling it instead of your left foot, well. :) Mar 15 21:17:58 lol Mar 15 21:18:07 then... it's better? faster? more accurate? :P Mar 15 21:18:19 Less fun, more pedestrian. Mar 15 21:18:31 in what way a robot is worse than a human at simple mechnanical tasks, i have yet to see Mar 15 21:18:36 lol Mar 15 21:18:42 how is that less control Mar 15 21:18:51 you're just unhappy cause you can't do the cool shify motion with your foot :P Mar 15 21:19:04 A robot clutch is basically either off or on. Mar 15 21:19:10 You don't get any of the degrees in between. Mar 15 21:19:46 My left foot has better things to do than controlling the damn clutch. Mar 15 21:19:58 So, automatic transmission it is. Mar 15 21:20:13 Mine doesn't. Mar 15 21:20:17 heh Mar 15 21:20:18 I don't like being bored while driving. Mar 15 21:20:21 interesting discussion. Mar 15 21:20:37 It's hard to find automatic transmission fans around. Mar 15 21:20:44 General: Then listen to NPR! Mar 15 21:20:50 * RST38h laughs satanically Mar 15 21:20:55 I'm usually not bored... I'm usually too busy eating a sandwich. and yes, listening to NPR actually >_> Mar 15 21:21:23 I'd say roughly 1/3 of my time spent in my car is also spent simultaneously eating a sandwich of some kind Mar 15 21:21:27 I love sandwiches Mar 15 21:21:32 RST38h: what better things to do your left foot has? Mar 15 21:21:37 wait, no, don't answer that Mar 15 21:21:48 Corsac: it's classified. Mar 15 21:22:15 eating a sandwich while shifting is... difficult, and can lead to calamitous loss of sandwich Mar 15 21:22:19 RST38h: ugh. Mar 15 21:22:40 My commute is never interrupted by much traffic. Mar 15 21:22:50 lucky... Mar 15 21:22:55 rm_work: that's one reason I don't eat in the car. Mar 15 21:22:58 i spend most of my time sitting at lights or in stop-go on the freeway Mar 15 21:23:02 RST38h: yes, I don't live in hell. ;) Mar 15 21:23:08 Same @rm_work. :P Mar 15 21:23:12 GeneralAntilles: well then you're missing out on delicious sandwiches :P Mar 15 21:23:23 hey all, would the GPS work on mameo on the debian chroot? Mar 15 21:23:29 By this measure, hell is just about everywhere Mar 15 21:23:32 i am trying to find a way to run foursquare on an N810 Mar 15 21:23:36 rm_work: nah, I eat those from the comfort of a real chair and table after my 4-7 minute commute. ;) Mar 15 21:23:51 GeneralAntilles: T_T Mar 15 21:24:10 GuySoft: I assume you could bind the gps device Mar 15 21:24:27 the same way you bind /proc and /sys usually Mar 15 21:24:31 No latest Angry Birds level packs for us anymore? Mar 15 21:24:47 overrated game Mar 15 21:24:51 not unless you pirate android ones and make them work on n900 Mar 15 21:24:53 I never got the Ovi Store to let me log in on my n900 so no angry birds for me at all :( Mar 15 21:26:07 GeneralAntilles: well, I *could* buy an evo... I think they actually *had* a blue evo for sale Mar 15 21:26:27 not too much more expensive, but I actually prefer the SST Mar 15 21:26:33 GuySoft: which maemo version? Mar 15 21:27:13 javispedro: if it has a node in /dev he can just bind it into the chroot, no? Mar 15 21:27:14 if it's n810, then gpsd (stock) might provide a port which outputs plain nmea, but I don't remember which one :D Mar 15 21:27:33 mostly, not on any maemo version so far. Mar 15 21:27:57 diablo/n810: not because the dev node emits an unknown format, Mar 15 21:28:10 fremantle/n900: not because there's no dev node at all, just some socket. Mar 15 21:28:13 ah, blegh Mar 15 21:28:26 socket to filepipe -> bind? :P Mar 15 21:28:35 harmattan/n9: not because it doesn't exist. Mar 15 21:28:39 should be easy to write i'd think Mar 15 21:28:40 rofl Mar 15 21:29:00 rm_work: too bad. Mar 15 21:29:05 on n900 you can use columbus or the like to get a nmea stream, then do whatever you want with it. Mar 15 21:29:26 there's a debian app for Foursquare? Mar 15 21:29:45 GuySoft: is the foursquare app OSS? can you just port it to Maemo? Mar 15 21:33:14 a lot of people shouldn't breed Mar 15 21:34:06 pupnik: offering free tickets to japan for them? :D Mar 15 21:50:39 * Arkenoi wonders why there is conboy for maemo and no desktop version Mar 15 21:53:01 you still have desktop? =) Mar 15 22:14:01 Who wrote khweetur? Mar 15 22:14:04 * SpeedEvil forgot. Mar 15 22:19:04 Khertan did Mar 15 22:19:57 ah Mar 15 22:20:31 ZogG, ping Mar 15 22:23:26 wish i had all you guys in my hometown Mar 15 22:29:27 pupnik: Where are you, I forget. Mar 15 22:29:51 germany, near frankfurt Mar 15 22:30:22 Ah. Mar 15 22:30:36 Fife, Scotland here. Mar 15 22:30:57 is there some nice scenery nearby? Mar 15 22:31:32 hmm, so not too far from 49.45 11.05 Mar 15 22:32:16 the maemo conference was nice Mar 15 22:32:43 was nice to meet nokians Mar 15 22:32:50 good folks Mar 15 22:32:50 this is so annoying, Media Player fails to detect some of my metadata Mar 15 22:33:05 happens Mar 15 22:33:22 i shouldn't have slept in my car though Mar 15 22:33:36 pupnik, what conference was that? Mar 15 22:33:43 you can overdo it with the money-saving Mar 15 22:33:45 2009 Mar 15 22:33:53 I know this Venemo it's quite boring Mar 15 22:34:14 phap, do you know a solution? Mar 15 22:34:39 Unfortunaltly not I switched to Someplayer Mar 15 22:35:16 pupnik: http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Glenrothes,+Fife,+United+Kingdom&ll=56.215314,-3.112521&spn=0.004558,0.008669&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=56.215916,-3.113197&panoid=ph1ycR8bGHGH3iNB37f2wQ&cbp=12,265.83,,0,-2.24 is nearby Mar 15 22:35:17 I love Media player if it was not for this art problem Mar 15 22:35:36 Does streetview work on microB Mar 15 22:35:36 oh now i remember SpeedEvil Mar 15 22:35:39 never tried it. Mar 15 22:35:48 good work with your house Mar 15 22:36:04 I think it does, just barely Mar 15 22:36:09 Just had a _massive_ pile of insulation delivered. Mar 15 22:36:15 8m^3 Mar 15 22:36:24 Which should enable me to make a proper start. Mar 15 22:36:27 need a hand? Mar 15 22:36:39 I need to work out what I'm doing first. Mar 15 22:36:41 :) Mar 15 22:37:00 i have a lot to do as well but it's hard to get going Mar 15 22:37:05 There are some possible state funded options that I need to investigate first. Mar 15 22:37:20 In some ways I'd prefer to DIY - but it's a hell of a lot of work. Mar 15 22:37:25 orchards are nice Mar 15 22:37:42 someone will appreciate them who you never meet Mar 15 22:38:11 Venemo pomg Mar 15 22:38:55 unless some jerk comes and buldozes your trees Mar 15 22:45:32 so have you read the Maemo Council candidates list? Mar 15 23:07:09 what does "arapp" do? claims to be augmented reality app but does not seem to do anything Mar 15 23:10:48 Maybe it's for superimposing pictures of pirates on your world? Mar 15 23:20:17 can i took the libflash.so from another arm smartphone to work on the n900? Mar 15 23:23:04 so who's extinguishing the fire this time? Or does anybody at all? Mar 15 23:24:14 which fire? Mar 15 23:48:08 lcuk: block4 on fire again Mar 15 23:50:13 this morning allegedly a special force of US military extinguished it. But seems they (tepco 50 dudes remaining personal at site) didn't manage to get cooling of chillout pool back to working order Mar 15 23:50:21 so it ignited again Mar 15 23:54:01 (it seems == my take on it. Except for "fire again" and "used fuel rods in chillout pool at #4 caught fire this morning" it's mere handwaving and entirely 'made up' by me) Mar 15 23:54:20 the fire on reaktor is off Mar 15 23:54:28 again? Mar 15 23:54:42 mom looking for timestamp Mar 15 23:55:00 there's been a seconf fire reported like 3h ago Mar 15 23:55:08 00:36 met Mar 15 23:55:21 so its 20 min old Mar 15 23:55:29 oh, good Mar 15 23:55:51 looks like the fire has just turn off. Mar 15 23:55:59 I wonder if the fire is a zirconia-air fire Mar 15 23:56:08 Or if it's some other random stuff. Mar 15 23:56:16 Zircalloy, rather. Mar 15 23:56:25 i beleve its other randrom stuff from the building Mar 15 23:56:29 that's zirconia-oxide so unlikely it is set on fire Mar 15 23:56:45 yeah - not the oxide, the metal clad Mar 15 23:57:19 not the nuklearsticks itself (how they are called in english?) Mar 15 23:57:30 fuel rods Mar 15 23:57:39 thx Mar 15 23:57:42 np Mar 15 23:58:22 i think the fuel rods has fired up parts from the building. after the explosion. Mar 15 23:58:32 but we are all no experts :( Mar 15 23:58:44 seems nobody is atm Mar 15 23:59:06 esp when it comes to details of situation at site Mar 15 23:59:48 * SpeedEvil hopes it's boring from here on in. Mar 16 00:00:04 * SpeedEvil wants more nukes in the UK. Mar 16 00:00:08 i hope they can prevent the fallout Mar 16 00:00:31 last I heard is the pool is running short of cooling water, so the rods started to heat up. And they tried to fill the pool with pumps and/or via helicopers dropping water, which didn't pan out Mar 16 00:00:54 The current amount of emitted radiation is apparantly hazerdous if you're right at the plant gates. Mar 16 00:01:20 It's not going to be dangerous in a few days due to decay times, or at any distance at all. Mar 16 00:01:30 yeah, you get like 400 times an allowable year dosage in 1 hour there Mar 16 00:01:48 take some steaks with you Mar 16 00:01:49 (if stuff stays the same, and if the figures reported are accurate) Mar 16 00:02:12 the figures reported are bogus mostly Mar 16 00:02:24 Possibly, yes. Mar 16 00:03:05 there's one semi reliable report like ~400mS in between block3 and block4, when #4 was on fire. Probably taken by US special forces Mar 16 00:03:29 400mS/h Mar 16 00:04:12 4000 are considered 50% immediately lethal Mar 16 00:04:47 so of a crew staying there for 10h, like 50% will die during hours or days Mar 16 00:05:27 disclaimer: AIUI / AFAIK Mar 16 00:05:42 Radiological units are hideously complex. Mar 16 00:05:58 Even more than light units. Mar 16 00:06:05 sure Mar 16 00:07:01 nevertheless this isn't the venus at night sky, this is a friggin baseball field illumination Mar 16 00:07:42 " Tepco said that it is considering dispersing boric acid, a fire retardant, over the Fukushima Daiichi plant’s No. 4 reactor from a helicopter, Reuters reports" Mar 16 00:09:11 which just on incidence happens to also be last means to stop or minimize a chain reaction in case of meltdown Mar 16 00:09:40 The problem ismany people are conflatingthis with the desperate measures of dropping crap into the open core of Chernobyl. Mar 16 00:09:42 which may happen on those rods in chillout pool as well, aiui Mar 16 00:10:05 When it's about 8 orders of magnitudes lower. Mar 16 00:10:58 well, ping me on next curtain. I'm off for a walk, so call me DocScrutinizer51 now ;-) Mar 16 00:13:05 its 9,1 now Mar 16 00:13:13 the have been rated it up Mar 16 00:13:17 lol Mar 16 00:13:19 wave. Mar 16 00:13:28 now that explains it all Mar 16 00:14:16 prolly block5 will go boom immediately after it learns about it's not been 8.9 but 9.1 Mar 16 00:14:25 rating it up cause reaktor fails on 8. Mar 16 00:14:54 8,9 will be ok but 9.1 omg! Mar 16 00:15:14 but, the diffenence from 8,9 to 9.1 is huge Mar 16 00:16:48 It was rated for 8.5 IIRC Mar 16 00:52:32 has anyone else had a charging issue with the n900 where is only charges when connected to pc/laptop but not wall or car charger ? Mar 16 00:53:56 The nokia wall charger? Mar 16 00:55:16 my N900 will run flat connected via USB heh Mar 16 00:56:13 SpeedEvil: yes the nokia wall charger does not charge it but it charges my bluetooth ear piece Mar 16 00:57:00 It actually charges on PC? Mar 16 00:57:03 Odd. Mar 16 00:57:06 I'd try to reboot. Mar 16 00:58:15 SpeedEvil: I have rebooted multiple times, my wild guess is community SSU Mar 16 00:58:34 No idea. Mar 16 01:00:28 wall charger = standard charger include with N900? Mar 16 01:01:06 correct standard charger included with N900 Mar 16 01:01:29 no issues here with cssu Mar 16 01:01:55 can charge on laptop and standard charger without problems Mar 16 01:02:16 maybe your charger is broken? Mar 16 01:02:24 an0therb0x: Are you using the same lead for both? Mar 16 01:02:52 the nokia charger works fine for my ear piece Mar 16 01:03:11 hmm Mar 16 01:03:16 strange Mar 16 01:08:36 uhh now the say that reaktor 4 is still under fire Mar 16 01:23:00 http://downloads.openmoko.org/firmware/calypso/ Mar 16 01:23:12 err, ECAHN Mar 16 01:40:49 I want to merge contacts on my n900 and have the changes propagate to my Exchange account. Mar 16 01:40:51 Or do the merge on my phone, save the resulting contact list, delete my exchange contacts, and import the resulting list. Is this possible with the N900? Mar 16 01:41:29 It seems like the n900 will only suck down contacts from exchange but changes done on the n900 don't get pushed to exchange Mar 16 01:41:33 . **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 16 02:59:57 2011