**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 02:59:57 2011 Mar 25 03:50:30 yacc: replace ICD2 by sth that works that way you want Mar 25 03:54:26 yacc: check /var/run/resolv.conf.* Mar 25 06:03:56 morning guys Mar 25 06:04:15 is anyone using anything here to get a single-click wifi connect Mar 25 06:04:24 single-tap i guess.. Mar 25 06:04:42 having to 3 taps to connect and 3 to disconnect is just not right Mar 25 06:05:17 i was feeling the same way about brightness setting and simple-brightness-applet solved that absolutely beautiful Mar 25 06:05:49 i think if wifi applet could show like to last 3-5 wifi network directly in status menu it'd be great Mar 25 06:06:01 anyone agree? Mar 25 06:07:37 why don't you get the widget Mar 25 06:08:05 I just tap the widget and it connects to the wifi at home, just one single tap Mar 25 06:08:37 you can put as many widgets (I forgot the name) as you want, each for a different connection, different wifis or even 3G Mar 25 06:09:21 hrm Mar 25 06:09:48 it's the best solution, you'll love it Mar 25 06:10:08 i searched with apt-cache search but couldnt find anything for "wifi" Mar 25 06:10:21 perhaps i should try with appman Mar 25 06:10:21 ConnectNow is the name I guess, lemme verify Mar 25 06:10:48 connectnow-home-widget - A desktop widget to switch internet connections. Mar 25 06:11:05 and if you tap the widget when you're connected it disconnects. It's amazing Mar 25 06:11:26 hrm, i shouldve searched "internet" i guess :/ Mar 25 06:11:51 there is also something called connection-switcher Mar 25 06:12:07 if you're using several wifis, just create a desktop widget for it Mar 25 06:12:12 "Home", "Work", etc Mar 25 06:12:16 yep right, thanks Mar 25 06:12:23 I only have 2: my home wifi and the 3G Mar 25 06:39:20 Sc0rpius: ok it does do what i want, but how can i add multiple widgets, it disappears from list after one Mar 25 06:40:57 I don't get it Mar 25 06:41:21 I have several of those in my desktop, I just click on the desktop settings, add another widget, select COnnectNow, etc Mar 25 06:41:43 it disappears from the widget list? that's weird. I can add as many as I want. Mar 25 06:44:20 i try reboot Mar 25 06:44:36 it actually installed that one automatically too Mar 25 06:44:41 so i never used the widget menu Mar 25 06:44:50 that's weirder Mar 25 06:47:32 X-Multiple=true in .../hildon-home/*.desktop -- needs reboot or killall hildon-home to take effect Mar 25 06:48:07 but I don't remember I did that when I installed it Mar 25 06:48:47 why don't you use "[X] connect to WiFi if available" when your only two internet connections are home-wifi and GPRS? Mar 25 06:49:01 that will connect it automatically Mar 25 06:49:11 most people don't want their N900 be online 24/7 Mar 25 06:49:19 I don't Mar 25 06:49:22 Sc0rpius: it's probably already in .desktop, but maybe the reboot is missing Mar 25 06:49:23 Sc0rpius: widget appeared after reboot Mar 25 06:49:48 DocScrutinizer: that's that evil option that silently drops gprs connections when wifi is available? Mar 25 06:49:48 yeah maybe Mar 25 06:49:59 yes Mar 25 06:50:09 what's evil about it? Mar 25 06:50:32 it drops working connections :) Mar 25 06:50:54 it's just evil when I switch to GPRS deliberately as my WiFi has no internet connection due to some outage Mar 25 06:51:57 slonopotamus: that's a problem indeed, might need some smart algo to delay switching if some download or similar is busy Mar 25 06:52:12 1. connect to 3g. 2. ssh/irc/telnet anywhere 3. come into wifi ap range 4. woops, connections dropped Mar 25 06:52:13 downloads too, yep Mar 25 06:52:29 how come there is so much whitespace on the right side of status menu Mar 25 06:52:37 non-usable whitespace* Mar 25 06:52:47 they had surplus Mar 25 06:52:52 i'd love a finger sized bluetooth toggle there Mar 25 06:53:18 there's also a widget for that Mar 25 06:53:20 yeah the "we're nokia, we're NEVER gonna lose" thinking Mar 25 06:53:25 so what? go ahead build one ;-D Mar 25 06:53:30 Sc0rpius: i'm using blueswitch right now Mar 25 06:53:48 good Mar 25 06:54:08 but it's icon size is non-configurable and it takes up an icon space Mar 25 06:54:48 I used to use two QB buttons to enable/disable "[X] connect to WiFi if available" Mar 25 06:54:51 DocScrutinizer: yep i just might do that Mar 25 06:56:34 alas installing CSSU nuked those 2 QB widgets and I'm absolutely fed up with spending another 60min to tailor friggin QB to show "normal" buttons instead of that yuck honeycomb design Mar 25 06:56:47 hehe Mar 25 06:57:25 ah here's another one Mar 25 06:57:41 is there a reason why virtual keyboard doesnt provide visual feedback right now? Mar 25 06:57:57 is that theme specific? Mar 25 06:57:57 I really hate it when that happens - you spent hours (or even days) to tailor some cute custom thing, and pooof it's gone Mar 25 06:58:19 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/24/google_will_not_open_source_android_honeycomb_on_release_of_first_devices/ <-- hahaha Mar 25 06:58:56 wow opera's vkeyboard is nice! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=974490#post974490 Mar 25 06:59:27 * DocScrutinizer headdesks Mar 25 07:00:07 ruskie: :) whoa Mar 25 07:02:27 MUHAHAHA, so much for Andridiot **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:03:19 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:04:14 2011 Mar 25 07:09:36 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:16:35 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 25 07:18:14 2011 Mar 25 07:35:56 \o Mar 25 08:20:02 hello all Mar 25 08:30:50 http://i.imgur.com/WzIj5.png added inventory / knapsack drawing and thumb buttons for spells/skills/quest/help Mar 25 08:36:35 pupnik_, what's this now? Mar 25 08:37:31 a challenging semi-roguelike online mmorpg Mar 25 08:38:01 pupnik_: fyi that house there, has no roof :s Mar 25 08:38:10 i'm pretty happy with how sharp the knapsack turned-out Mar 25 08:38:13 it doesn't rain there. Mar 25 08:38:26 what is it called? Mar 25 08:38:31 Daimonin Mar 25 08:38:34 ultima online comes to mind Mar 25 08:38:44 are you the developer of this game? Mar 25 08:38:58 no i'm trying to make the client usable on n900 Mar 25 08:39:01 (or just maemo client) Mar 25 08:39:02 right Mar 25 08:39:14 is the game good? Mar 25 08:39:22 * pronto thinks minecraft sould be on n900 Mar 25 08:39:38 minecraft seems to be all the rage Mar 25 08:39:39 isn't there openjdk? Mar 25 08:39:50 yes Mar 25 08:39:55 minecraft could work Mar 25 08:39:59 so anyone actually tried running it? Mar 25 08:39:59 idunno Mar 25 08:40:05 mece: i made the mistake of buying minecraft...its all i been doing for the past few days :s Mar 25 08:40:08 * mece and java don't mix Mar 25 08:40:39 pronto, what's so good about it? Mar 25 08:40:43 i like it a lot, it's not too vast Mar 25 08:40:52 *shrugs* its just damn addicting for some reason Mar 25 08:40:55 pupnik_, url plz? Mar 25 08:41:03 www.daimonin.org Mar 25 08:41:12 thankee-sai Mar 25 08:41:28 is it playable on n900? Mar 25 08:41:46 it might be someday Mar 25 08:42:53 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU "The password does not include enough variation to be secure. Try:Adding both upper and lowercase letters.Adding punctuation." Mar 25 08:42:58 I HATE that Mar 25 08:43:03 * mece rages Mar 25 08:43:08 * mece sips some tea Mar 25 08:43:13 * mece calms down Mar 25 08:43:19 * mece reads the message again Mar 25 08:43:22 * mece rages Mar 25 08:43:32 o.O Mar 25 08:43:41 wahts it for? Mar 25 08:43:52 daimonin Mar 25 08:43:54 ah Mar 25 08:45:43 I have a serious problem with these kinds of limitations Mar 25 08:45:49 tr -cd '[[:graph:]]' < /dev/urandom | head -c 8 Mar 25 08:46:04 Corsac, ? Mar 25 08:46:23 just a quick random password generator :) Mar 25 08:46:25 o.O Mar 25 08:46:36 I do not want a random password, I want one of my passwords Mar 25 08:46:58 and I don't want one of my super secure passwords, because they are a pain to type Mar 25 08:47:53 and I want to limit their use to avoid them being caught in a trojan, and be used in more important places by association Mar 25 08:48:45 if you try the game, please take notes of what you find frustrating Mar 25 08:48:57 oh wait Mar 25 08:49:03 I spoke too soon Mar 25 08:49:21 it accepted the password even if it was deemed unsecure! Mar 25 08:49:29 just as it should. Awesome! Mar 25 08:49:34 I take it all back Mar 25 08:49:55 pupnik_, ok I has account. Where can I find the client? Mar 25 08:52:14 LOL well the windows client crashed on startup :D Mar 25 08:52:24 but who cares. I needs N900 client Mar 25 09:00:18 <[jamez]> I've looked all over but can't figure this out: I just bought a n800 off a friend and was trying to flash it. My linux box can't find the device at all. lsusb shows nothing. he's got a few apps to enable host mode. I think it's stuck. Any suggestions? Mar 25 09:00:36 <[jamez]> my n770 flashes fine using the same box, and same cable. Mar 25 09:01:46 maemo.org is super slow today Mar 25 09:53:36 jamez: (cba to enter that first char for nick :-S ) you checked to follow correct procedure to flash, incl holding the right button when powering up? Mar 25 09:55:46 also note there might be another flasher prog needed for 8x0 than for 770 Mar 25 09:56:16 ~flashing Mar 25 09:56:16 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 25 10:16:45 <[jamez]> DocScrutinizer51: Yeah, i've tried two flashers, followed the guide several times and am sure that it's properly inf lash mode :\ Mar 25 10:17:15 <[jamez]> nothing shows up in dmesg when I connect or disconnect the usb cable with the N800 powered on, or in flash mode Mar 25 10:17:39 Broken USB port, possibly>? Mar 25 10:20:01 <[jamez]> possibly Mar 25 10:28:01 http://delong.typepad.com/.a/6a00e551f080038834014e600f22b6970c-pi <-- hehe Mar 25 10:39:38 i tried to convert mkv 1080p blueray rip to mp4 file format using Avidemux. i have followed this link http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Avidemux and download the x264 n900 optimization, i set the audio to AAC 160kbps as according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Standard_Audio_Codecs it shouldn't make trouble, but when i open the video on the phone i get video but no sound? Mar 25 10:58:12 [jamez]: you know to use a DMM? Mar 25 11:00:04 <[jamez]> DocScrutinizer: Not sure what DMM stands for, so I'm guessing that I don't yet know :) Mar 25 11:00:10 ~DMM Mar 25 11:00:11 it has been said that dmm is Digital MultiMeter Mar 25 11:00:13 Digital Rights Management Mar 25 11:00:27 <[jamez]> ah a multimeter. yeah, I can use one of those :) Mar 25 11:01:47 Probe voltage from D+/- pins of a stripped USB cable (or adapter on a CA-101) to any of the other 2 - which are VBUS-5V external (unless hostmode enabled) and GND Mar 25 11:01:52 oh, thought you said DRM Mar 25 11:01:56 * MohammadAG facepalms Mar 25 11:02:12 if the USB port is OK you for sure should see some 10..100mV Mar 25 11:02:50 <[jamez]> Awesome. I'll have to look into that when I have a chance. Mar 25 11:02:53 <[jamez]> Thanks for the advice Mar 25 11:03:21 If it's a *good* DMM (low probe voltage <1.5V) you also can probe resistance - watch out for black cable of tester connected to GND! Mar 25 11:04:42 each of D+/- should see some 1.5kR to VBUS, or 14kR either to GND, IIRC Mar 25 11:05:31 don't use dirt cheap R-Meter as they often have probe voltage ~9V of the used 9V-block batery Mar 25 11:06:07 probably touching the probe tips both same time with your tounge is a rather good test if it's safe or not Mar 25 11:06:17 * chem|st is doing resistance maps in 4D atm... sounds awesome but is purely boring... Mar 25 11:06:28 ...while R range enabled and Meter on! Mar 25 11:06:58 4D like Einstein continuum? Mar 25 11:07:15 3D topography + resistance Mar 25 11:07:22 :nod: Mar 25 11:07:49 4th dimension a bit different than time, but anyway Mar 25 11:08:36 probing impedance of a pot toast? Mar 25 11:09:25 So, who else wanted this in the stock player? http://i56.tinypic.com/1z3wldy.jpg :) Mar 25 11:09:27 toast? Mar 25 11:09:34 roast Mar 25 11:09:47 poti tracks Mar 25 11:09:52 ooh Mar 25 11:10:00 boring Mar 25 11:10:03 sure Mar 25 11:10:30 the chemical maps are more fascinating but still some kind of boring... Mar 25 11:10:50 I'd be more interested in impedance of my steak ;-D Mar 25 11:12:23 * DocScrutinizer wonders if the brown crust is of higher resistance than the english inner part due to lack of humidity, or maybe the carbon makes for a lower resistance :-D Mar 25 11:12:52 the carbon makes for a lower resistance Mar 25 11:13:11 s/english/rare meduim/ Mar 25 11:13:44 there is not enough salt to overpower a nice carbon surface Mar 25 11:13:48 ~useless Mar 25 11:13:49 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Mar 25 11:14:32 * chem|st remembers measuring purity of DLC coatings on drills... Mar 25 11:14:52 duh, *action* Mar 25 11:14:57 ~botsnack Mar 25 11:14:57 DocScrutinizer: :) Mar 25 11:16:18 DLC? Mar 25 11:16:24 diamond like carbon Mar 25 11:16:32 o.O Mar 25 11:16:42 Downloadable Content for drillbits? Mar 25 11:16:43 New market. Mar 25 11:17:00 O_o Mar 25 11:17:15 * DocScrutinizer wonders about diamonds and electric current Mar 25 11:17:51 either extremely good or extremely bad conductors, I guess Mar 25 11:19:26 insulating Mar 25 11:20:09 a highly scratchresistant insulator Mar 25 11:20:33 diamond lined wiring Mar 25 11:20:55 don't suppose anyone knows how close you can get to a 2kW tesla coil before damaging your n900? Mar 25 11:20:57 hehe serves as cutting tool to and makes the girl jealous Mar 25 11:21:00 Morning, all Mar 25 11:21:26 Psi, I don't but lemme know when you find out. Mar 25 11:21:30 heh Mar 25 11:21:50 Psi: its more about how good you ground the n900, just being in a charged field should not directly cause damage .. but as soon the electrictiy flows it gets nasty Mar 25 11:21:57 Psi, I will hold your beer whilst you do some tests. Mar 25 11:22:15 haha Mar 25 11:22:35 cehteh, well I assume he's not going to allow the 2kW to go through him. that would be awkward. Mar 25 11:22:46 while such high voltages flow over the surface maybe the n900 could survive it, just try out and report Mar 25 11:23:13 if you held out your stylus would it be a mini lightening rod? Mar 25 11:23:21 perhaps Mar 25 11:23:26 its plastic, doubt it Mar 25 11:23:34 surface ... Mar 25 11:23:59 if there are smears of finger grease and humidity it might be enough Mar 25 11:24:07 Psi: do not underestimate the carbon layer you have on any surface Mar 25 11:24:19 I still think it would go in through usb and out through 3.5mm Mar 25 11:24:27 yes and the black plastic is likely tinted with carbon poweder Mar 25 11:24:29 faster than across dirty plastic Mar 25 11:24:30 diamond is an extremely good electrical isolator, or - depending on dotation - a semiconductor Mar 25 11:24:42 (according to wikipedia / google) Mar 25 11:24:46 mece: wont the metal top edge is much mor attrackting Mar 25 11:24:49 DocScrutinizer, I hear it's expensive though Mar 25 11:25:13 Right yes. naturally most stuff would go through that. Mar 25 11:25:45 DocScrutinizer: ++ Mar 25 11:25:54 when it comes to tesla coils, isolator or not doesnt really mater much anymore, capacity and surface effects take over Mar 25 11:26:33 cehteh: (tesla) NB you got antennae on N900 :-o Mar 25 11:26:34 Still, I think that if there is conduction, the n900 will die. Mar 25 11:26:35 you shield a tesla coil with a farrday cage and not with isolators Mar 25 11:26:54 my scientific calculator stops working around 40cm from my flyback+tripler which puts out around 60kV Mar 25 11:27:08 haha ... geek dream feature for the n950; buildin tesla coil :) Mar 25 11:27:24 Psi, does it start working again once you move away from it? Mar 25 11:27:28 yeah Mar 25 11:27:32 nice Mar 25 11:27:38 but id be more worried the n900 would overwrite some nand Mar 25 11:27:59 Psi, well I assume that there are some components that are sensitive to electromagnetic fields. Mar 25 11:28:03 Psi, that would suck Mar 25 11:28:30 turn nand into prom :) Mar 25 11:28:37 heh yeah Mar 25 11:28:48 ask nokia for a try out device and walk in crying out loud "for sience" Mar 25 11:30:54 depending on resonance freq of tesla coil, the antennae of N900 could catch up *way* too much energy which will fry semiconductors for sure. No way to shield that, except by placing the whole device into a faraday cage Mar 25 11:31:47 if you want to do a quick test for getting ballpark figures, then place N900 into a microwave Mar 25 11:32:08 i think ill pass Mar 25 11:32:23 ill pass? Mar 25 11:32:34 i'll Mar 25 11:32:40 DocScrutinizer: i doubt that, whats the factor of the antenna lambda/4? teslas frequencies are way lower than the some Ghz where the n900 antennas operate Mar 25 11:33:06 you'll pass the microwave test? Don't you think you'll look like that legendary US cat? Mar 25 11:33:48 cehteh: FMTX :-P Mar 25 11:33:55 ok Mar 25 11:33:56 cehteh: harmonics Mar 25 11:34:23 yes but with shorter antennas and harmonics on the lower side thats somewhat unlikely Mar 25 11:34:36 cehteh: even a massively detuned antenna will still catch up quite a percentage of EM Mar 25 11:35:00 yeah Mar 25 11:35:05 aww n900 doesnt pickup my new ipv6 network Mar 25 11:35:10 it's simply an exposed half of a capacitor Mar 25 11:35:37 halve? Mar 25 11:35:54 nah Mar 25 11:38:08 cehteh: also quite an interesting problem if the touchscreen planes work as a large area antenna with lower (kbd) half of device as the other end of dipole Mar 25 11:38:41 * DocScrutinizer envisions some smoking copper traces on main PCB Mar 25 11:40:00 touchpanel has OVP/tranzorbs, but those are mW, not 2kW ;-D Mar 25 11:40:08 heh Mar 25 11:40:30 there will be a *poff* and a little smoke on the gaps... thats it Mar 25 11:40:44 2kW tesla, what a friggin monster :-O Mar 25 11:41:46 i should point out, that the 60kV flyback+tripler i talked about earlier crashes my calculator at 40cm, Its around 80W Mar 25 11:42:09 bit of a difference between 80W and 2000W Mar 25 11:42:09 it's semiconductor tranzorbs (before) - your description might apply to the spark gaps they become by doing this test ;-D Mar 25 11:43:09 Psi: what's that flyback&tripler thing? CRT? Mar 25 11:43:25 origionally, but its been modded Mar 25 11:43:37 what's tripler? a cascade? then you got DC, not RF Mar 25 11:44:00 yeah, the trippler is DC Mar 25 11:44:02 you guys sound like the clueless actors in Numb3rs. Mar 25 11:44:32 crashanddie: that's because *you* are clueless so can't tell the difference :-D Mar 25 11:44:40 Exactly my point. Mar 25 11:44:58 however the caps in the multipler charge up and arc and then repeat, so it does send out pulses Mar 25 11:45:44 in the Hz range, not high kHz or even MHz like a tesla does Mar 25 11:46:20 well yeah, the flyback puts out around 30khz, but the pulses coming out of the multipler would be in hz Mar 25 11:46:58 anyway I've seen digital circuits (TTL 74xx) acting up on sparks of a van der Graaf 2m distant Mar 25 11:47:07 heh Mar 25 11:47:50 we should take it to #electronics Mar 25 11:48:03 before crashanddie gets pissed Mar 25 11:48:09 yeah, forgot i was in here Mar 25 11:48:57 * DocScrutinizer waves and frowns on RL tasks on his schedule of today Mar 25 11:49:15 ill probably go to bed anyway, its midnight here Mar 25 11:49:23 oops Mar 25 11:49:30 noon here :-D Mar 25 11:49:42 heh Mar 25 11:49:50 anyway, n8 everybody Mar 25 11:49:55 ~ugt Mar 25 11:49:56 rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Mar 25 11:50:48 nite Mar 25 12:05:02 hi Mar 25 12:12:37 * lardman thinks he has made a units mistake, not sure there are 8581 postcodes within 100m radius of my house Mar 25 12:12:45 hehe Mar 25 12:13:57 That would mean 120000 houses or so. Mar 25 12:14:08 Which does seem unlikely, unless you're in mexico city. Mar 25 12:17:41 yeah, I guess I misinterpreted the units of the Easting/Northing dataset Mar 25 12:42:40 A guy called to sell me a phone subscription and a phonoe Mar 25 12:42:57 He had to admitt he couldn't find a bether phone, nor a subscription Mar 25 12:43:06 hehe Mar 25 12:43:19 I don't think I got a marketing call on my cell phone number Mar 25 12:43:38 of course the number is unlisted... but still... in 13 years or? Mar 25 12:43:51 It was my last provider Mar 25 12:43:57 So they would have my number either way Mar 25 12:44:24 It was amuzing, he was like: "Wow, can you really do that?" And then he asked about my data usage Mar 25 12:44:25 my provider is using some external company to do quality assurance for service calls Mar 25 12:44:33 dad gets calls offering him a $29 cap plan Mar 25 12:44:38 they called me once I said I'm not interested and please don't call me again Mar 25 12:44:45 claiming that it'll save him $100/month Mar 25 12:44:48 and then contacted the service rep to also tell him the same... Mar 25 12:44:53 his last bill was 87c Mar 25 12:45:04 then get a second call from the same company Mar 25 12:45:18 and I just went nuclear and yelled that the reason I was calling them was for them to stop calling me Mar 25 12:45:27 so he tries to get them to realise that it wont save him money, and makes them hang up on him Mar 25 12:45:30 never got a single call from them again Mar 25 12:45:48 auenf: Hehe, this guy was actually honest and told me he couldn't offer me anything. Mar 25 12:45:51 I just listen to any telemakreter that actually manages to get to the front door/finds the phone number Mar 25 12:46:01 if you let them do their pitch it means they won't bug you again Mar 25 12:46:22 all the ones we get are just reading from a script Mar 25 12:46:31 moo all Mar 25 12:46:37 hey Mar 25 12:46:45 anyone with meego on n900 here? Mar 25 12:47:07 i wonder how is multitasking in there Mar 25 12:47:07 how do you switch and so on Mar 25 12:47:21 ZogG, I'd wait for 1.2 developer edition Mar 25 12:47:47 ruskie: This one asked me about my phone, I love bragging about my phone. I was highly amused telling him what I thougth of the diffrent phone oses, and how mine was superior. Mar 25 12:47:57 hehe Mar 25 12:48:05 I guess it helps that I haven't yet changed my provider once Mar 25 12:48:12 they just keep being competitive and competant Mar 25 12:48:25 my number has done a whole lap of all the providers here Mar 25 12:48:31 I save quite a lot on changing provider Mar 25 12:48:34 ZogG <-- a fat troll Mar 25 12:48:46 optus->telstra->vodafone->optus Mar 25 12:49:51 RST38h, yes, i am but i wonder how does it work, as in andtroid/iphone and others or like maemo Mar 25 12:50:28 ahh you mean if it suspends or actually keeps them running Mar 25 12:51:25 I buy a new bluetooth headset, and it still doesn't work Mar 25 12:51:41 RST38h, <-- a big troll Mar 25 12:51:53 <---- a medium sized troll Mar 25 12:51:57 heh, bluetooth headset Mar 25 12:52:04 i just need to make my car support a2dp Mar 25 12:52:42 I wish the N900 could act as a bluetooth handsfree Mar 25 12:52:54 ruskie, i mean if it's separete open windows like in maemo/desktop or it's kinda option to put them into tray or whatever android does Mar 25 12:53:29 ZogG: I hate the android implementation Mar 25 12:53:34 I think it's realtime Mar 25 12:53:38 not suspend Mar 25 12:53:54 but how does the UX shows it? Mar 25 12:54:21 no clue... been a while since I ran meego Mar 25 12:54:34 frankly don't like the meego handset ux... nokia gives a more maemo like UX :( Mar 25 12:56:46 it's more android ui Mar 25 12:56:49 so that's why i asked Mar 25 13:04:03 moorning, ab Mar 25 13:04:19 RST38h, east coast already? Mar 25 13:04:25 * RST38h has got an E7 to play with. Not half bad. But Symbian is killing it =( Mar 25 13:04:27 ab: yea Mar 25 13:04:37 cool Mar 25 13:04:44 ab: Whoever worked on E7, they have done a really good job Mar 25 13:05:53 E7 was rumored to be meego-N9 for a while Mar 25 13:05:54 ? Mar 25 13:05:58 no. Mar 25 13:06:25 RST38h, haven't played with e7 myself Mar 25 13:07:12 ab: They have done a near perfect job on the hw (except maybe the plastic ends), and did the best they could to make Symbian look decent Mar 25 13:09:19 http://techepisode.com/nokia-n9-%E2%80%93-meego-platform-the-most-powerful-nseries-ever/ Mar 25 13:09:39 i remember, some idiots claimed that prototype was meego Mar 25 13:10:06 The N9 proto looks a lot like the E7 Mar 25 13:10:33 No worries, though, because we wont ever see an N9. Mar 25 13:10:36 that prototype clearly has symbian tho :) Mar 25 13:10:50 that prototype clearly is an e7 Mar 25 13:11:36 auenf, speeking of the N9 one, not the one in whatever page you've linked Mar 25 13:11:46 well that set of prototype photos is clearly of 2 different phones Mar 25 13:11:47 GAN900, correct Mar 25 13:12:03 http://www.priceindia.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Nokia-N9-price.gif Mar 25 13:12:09 thats the proper n9 proto Mar 25 13:12:41 Either I am a complete idiot, or email has been badly broken in E7 Mar 25 13:13:02 how so? Mar 25 13:13:05 No matter what account I try to create there, it brings me to Exchange client settings and then goes nowhere. Mar 25 13:13:15 It definitely wants me to do SOMETHING, but WHAT? :) Mar 25 13:13:21 RST38h, did you accept agreement thing? Mar 25 13:13:32 iirc, that puts you into 'nokia mail' mode Mar 25 13:13:43 if you dont accept it, you get normal mail client Mar 25 13:13:48 also one word: profimail Mar 25 13:13:54 auenf: OMFG Mar 25 13:13:55 http://email.nokia.com Mar 25 13:14:18 'nokia messaging' is the term i was looking for Mar 25 13:14:53 How do I hmmm unaccept? Mar 25 13:15:33 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/12625_Nokia_E7_part_4-Communications.php#3 Mar 25 13:16:28 E7 would have been better with a higher res screen and MeeGo or Maemo. the way it is, N900 is superior to it Mar 25 13:17:18 agreed Mar 25 13:17:26 hmm, where did i read that info about accepting the agreement... Mar 25 13:21:57 RST38h, i think you should be able to add a new email account that doesnt use nokia messaging Mar 25 13:22:23 auenf: Cannot,dunno why Mar 25 13:22:29 http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/REALLY-ANNOYING-Nokia-Messaging-for-Nokia-E72/m-p/642548 Mar 25 13:22:56 hmm, thats e72 Mar 25 13:25:23 auenf: thanks! does not seem to be the same as my problem,but some good pointers anyway Mar 25 13:27:17 Aha, it looks like it only offers Exchange but not POP/IMAP or even Ovi Mar 25 13:29:56 Another interesting detail: due to E7's camera not being capable of macro, barcode scanner app does not work=) Mar 25 13:30:12 limitations of a business phone Mar 25 13:30:41 N8 has got the same problem,I guess Mar 25 13:30:42 messaging and email are separate apps? Mar 25 13:30:48 business men do not use barcodes? Mar 25 13:30:52 I think it is also a fixed distance camera Mar 25 13:30:59 auenf: yes Mar 25 13:31:08 It is no Maemo or Meego =( Mar 25 13:31:23 if you go into settings of messaging, is there email? Mar 25 13:31:35 Still a very good product though: I would prefer E7 to iPhone any time of the day Mar 25 13:31:43 auenf: yes Mar 25 13:31:58 Wait, NO. Mar 25 13:32:00 "With the N8 this confusion is removed as there is no longer any email functionality in the Messaging application." Mar 25 13:32:04 no barcodes!? Rubbish! Mar 25 13:32:21 lardman: it can't focus on smallish ones, bigger ones should be ok I guess Mar 25 13:32:59 "While POP and IMAP support is available, it is well hidden (if you really must use plain IMAP or POP, the easiest way to access it is to enter an incorrect password when setting up an email account - extra dialogs then appear to clarify what's wrong)." Mar 25 13:33:51 auenf: Jesus wept... Mar 25 13:34:43 pfft, this review is claiming nokia messaging is the most battery friendly push email Mar 25 13:34:59 imap idle was awesome on my n82's battery Mar 25 13:35:00 N8 can do macro, but not in video Mar 25 13:35:08 it's a software limitation I guess Mar 25 13:35:59 "no auto-focus camera - the E7 has a much smaller, simpler EDoF unit" Mar 25 13:38:16 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/12576_Nokia_E7_part_2-Camera_and_mul.php Mar 25 13:38:26 beetagg qr reader works with E7 aparently Mar 25 13:38:40 auenf: no matter what I do, no imap/pop :) Mar 25 13:38:48 not even web based gmail, only exchange Mar 25 13:39:11 * lardman heads off, sun is shining, catch you all later Mar 25 13:39:38 weird Mar 25 13:40:19 sun is shining? Mar 25 13:40:26 its like 0:30 Mar 25 13:40:33 shining here, indeed Mar 25 13:42:53 MS Wants Laws To Block Products Made By Software Pirates Mar 25 13:45:33 Conclusion: lardman lives at the north pole. (Last week I would have said south pole.) Mar 25 13:46:27 auenf: that's just because you live in the wrong part of the world Mar 25 13:47:37