**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 26 02:59:58 2011 Mar 26 03:29:06 wow, programming is so slow Mar 26 03:32:45 who here is a good artist who loves RPG games Mar 26 08:15:05 Rhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/26/chicken_dance_open_source_license/ <-- rofl Mar 26 09:45:30 hello all Mar 26 09:45:33 I seem to have a dead screen. Mar 26 09:45:42 is there a way to get the video onto a screen via video out? Mar 26 09:45:57 Video out has to be enabled, if I'm not mistaken, which it's not Mar 26 09:46:02 I *do* have SSH access, though Mar 26 09:49:27 Hm Mar 26 09:49:40 With SSH access, you can do most anything Mar 26 09:49:53 I don't know how, though Mar 26 09:49:55 when I VNC in, all I get is a 2px x ~200px black area Mar 26 09:50:08 robbiethe1st: well, I'm having some issues reading my SMSes that are stored in there, for example Mar 26 09:50:12 they're in a sql db, but I can't get them Mar 26 09:50:19 why not? Mar 26 09:51:30 i don't know how to read sqlite Mar 26 09:51:44 sqlite3 file.db Mar 26 09:51:50 Oh; that's easy Mar 26 09:51:52 then just run sql statements on it Mar 26 09:51:56 Grab it, bring it to your computer Mar 26 09:52:16 install the "SQLite Manager" extension for firefox Mar 26 09:52:23 Nice -GUI- based manager Mar 26 09:52:31 if you need such things ;) Mar 26 09:52:57 I assume he does, because if he didn't, he probably wouldn't be asking such things Mar 26 09:53:03 and if you actually use that PoS that is firecrud Mar 26 09:53:23 not everyone knows how to access sqlite dbs even more advanced users Mar 26 09:53:56 "users" is the operative word there - Anyone who'd be messing with one via a command line is probably a dev. Mar 26 09:54:46 *sigh* Mar 26 09:54:52 how is x11vnc supposed to work? Mar 26 09:54:58 can I not start it from ssh? Mar 26 09:55:31 I thought it's basically an X11 extension you need to load Mar 26 09:55:33 I'm honestly not sure. You -can- start it, but I think you have to set the DISPLAY variable Mar 26 09:55:42 Aha Mar 26 09:56:04 env DISPLAY=:0 Mar 26 09:56:06 possibly? Mar 26 09:56:12 DISPLAY=:0 command Mar 26 09:56:12 :) Mar 26 09:56:26 it's export DISPLAY=:0 in sh Mar 26 09:56:31 env is csh iirc Mar 26 09:56:41 works in bash Mar 26 09:57:21 <_< I only know that because when I was trying to get a gnome-terminal window to launch with a cron-job, I had to use that Mar 26 09:57:34 export may work too; I assume it will Mar 26 09:57:48 But env is what I have in my crontab file, for whatever reason Mar 26 09:58:01 could be a crontab specific thing Mar 26 09:58:35 anyway it's not necessary to export it into the environment Mar 26 09:58:58 just prepend the command with the variable itself Mar 26 10:00:47 Huh, could that have been what I was doing? "env DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal -e '/Data/comics/update.sh'" Mar 26 10:01:09 possibly... env though in that is redundant Mar 26 10:01:14 so export DISPLAY=:0 Mar 26 10:01:19 then x11vnc from ssh doesn't work Mar 26 10:01:21 DISPLAY=:0 command Mar 26 10:01:29 DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc Mar 26 10:01:30 rather, the vncviewer gives no meaningful output Mar 26 10:01:37 but make sure you don't have any other x11vnc instances running Mar 26 10:02:09 as root or as user? Mar 26 10:02:17 ruskie: Could you try it from yours? Mar 26 10:02:29 I still get a small full width by 10 pixel height black window in vncviewer Mar 26 10:03:23 * ruskie establishes wifi with the n900... Mar 26 10:03:53 and waits for the f... annoying updates to finish processing... Mar 26 10:04:09 I really wish cssu would get rid of this get updates on connection... Mar 26 10:04:23 or atleast make it optional Mar 26 10:06:55 updates on connection? Mar 26 10:07:19 i must have missed somethnig or turned it off :P Mar 26 10:07:27 x11vnc -display :0 <-- this might be what you're looking for Mar 26 10:08:30 as user Mar 26 10:08:59 ruskie: I sshed in as root Mar 26 10:09:00 su user Mar 26 10:09:05 x11vnc -display :0 Mar 26 10:09:12 then vncviewer from another system Mar 26 10:09:13 and still no go Mar 26 10:09:40 does it display that it's listening? Mar 26 10:10:08 rfbProcessClientNormalMessage: ignoring unsupported encoding type Enc(0xFFFFFEFF) Mar 26 10:10:15 that's from another vnc viewer program I'm using.. Mar 26 10:10:21 The VNC desktop is: <-- I meant x11vnc Mar 26 10:11:12 that works for me Mar 26 10:11:20 I did need to activate the screen first Mar 26 10:11:20 are you using xvncviewer? Mar 26 10:11:23 else it was black Mar 26 10:11:24 activate? Mar 26 10:11:29 oh. Mar 26 10:11:30 ok Mar 26 10:11:52 ok, slightly more encouraging Mar 26 10:13:57 hmm. doesn't seem to show much in xvncviewer or xtightvncviewer/ Mar 26 10:13:58 what's left? Mar 26 10:14:09 restart? reflash? Mar 26 10:14:33 well, the problem started when the screen had too much condensation in it Mar 26 10:14:37 so unlikely a reflash will do it Mar 26 10:14:40 as for restart, done many times Mar 26 10:14:47 also scping /home/user would be a good idea... Mar 26 10:14:54 so that you have a backup of all those files Mar 26 10:15:00 yep. Mar 26 10:19:45 Speaking of which, you can replace the screen for about $50US Mar 26 10:19:55 WOAH! Mar 26 10:20:12 Guess what fixed it? Mar 26 10:20:15 ? Mar 26 10:20:17 ? Mar 26 10:20:43 I was trying to enable the screen via ssh Mar 26 10:20:47 suddenly the screen came to life Mar 26 10:20:49 with this: Mar 26 10:20:50 Could the X server have died/got screwed up? Mar 26 10:21:02 could be the slider got broken maybe... Mar 26 10:21:16 of course the power button should also bring the screen to life Mar 26 10:21:25 http://pastebin.com/dLi7C5jB Mar 26 10:21:31 nope Mar 26 10:21:33 slider works fine Mar 26 10:23:08 well, that near death experience reminds me of how much I love my n900 Mar 26 10:23:39 and also of how fickle electronics are Mar 26 10:23:50 orangey: was the screen at all visible - the backlight? Mar 26 10:24:08 Err - even without the backlight, the screen is somewhat visible, I mean Mar 26 10:24:08 SpeedEvil: not at all Mar 26 10:24:14 SpeedEvil: I know what you mean Mar 26 10:24:16 I was very careful Mar 26 10:24:20 essentially, it happened like this Mar 26 10:24:35 I biked to work in -15C Mar 26 10:24:42 i hopped in the shower Mar 26 10:24:50 when I got out, I noted severe condensation all over Mar 26 10:25:08 I was using the machine normally for a few mins in the steamy room, then screen went dark Mar 26 10:25:20 figured it must be the condensation, so I let it dry for my shift - 9 hrs. Mar 26 10:25:26 still no go, so I started hacking around Mar 26 10:25:28 and here we are Mar 26 10:25:32 aaah, fixed by voodoo Mar 26 10:25:59 send "echo foo >bar" until water evaporates Mar 26 10:26:17 hehehehe : ) Mar 26 10:26:36 anyway, finally I did the command in that pastebin ( http://pastebin.com/dLi7C5jB ) Mar 26 10:26:41 and the screen miraculously came back to life Mar 26 10:28:18 ruskie: Now the VNC works as expected, by the way Mar 26 10:28:46 * orangey shakes the n900 Mar 26 10:28:55 I'd suggest a proper drying procedure followed by a usual boot Mar 26 10:28:55 don't ever do that to me again! Mar 26 10:29:06 DocScrutinizer: All is back to normal now Mar 26 10:29:15 if you say so Mar 26 10:29:17 Remove batteries _always_ Mar 26 10:29:24 if you suspect condensation Mar 26 10:29:38 at least to the point of misbehaviour. Mar 26 10:29:45 And then dry thouroughly. Mar 26 10:29:45 SpeedEvil: i let it dry for now ~ 10 hrs Mar 26 10:30:09 Condensation can cause - for example - voltage regulators to be mis-set and to overvoltage stuff. Mar 26 10:30:17 put it in the microwave for faster d(ry)ing :P Mar 26 10:30:50 hehehe Mar 26 10:31:38 why do the most awesome gadgets always get the most terrible support? Mar 26 10:31:50 with the exception of the WRT54g, of course. Mar 26 10:31:54 *sigh* Mar 26 10:32:00 corrosion may go on even when _screen_ is back to 'normal' Mar 26 10:32:02 I love both my n810 and n900 Mar 26 10:32:20 DocScrutinizer: shhhh. you're ruining my moment Mar 26 10:34:23 the sheevaplug has great support Mar 26 10:34:36 but well, if you're not willing to remove battery and dry it for a few days, then in your special situation watching video all the time at max brightness is probably the second best thing you can do :-P Mar 26 10:34:47 as it nicely heats up the system Mar 26 10:49:46 mhm, so let's see where's that opera thing for diablo Mar 26 11:12:15 what an AWESOME piece of software! Kudos Opera Mar 26 11:34:59 rendering is kinda slow on N810, but once it finished, the UX is incredible Mar 26 11:35:44 let's see... Mar 26 11:38:06 DocScrutinizer: and how is it on n900? do you have one, no? Mar 26 11:38:32 let's see... Mar 26 11:42:31 DocScrutinizer, rendering of what on N810? Mar 26 11:42:37 merlin1991, cloned the FMTX dialog in the mediaplayer, I think it does all checks now Mar 26 11:42:44 (USB cable, headphones etc) Mar 26 11:42:50 and the checks can be disabled Mar 26 11:43:03 actually, Venemo cloned it, I just added the functionality with DBus now :P Mar 26 11:43:10 MohammadAG, :) Mar 26 11:44:04 Venemo: ?? Mar 26 11:44:24 [12:31] rendering is kinda slow on N810 -> rendering of what? Mar 26 11:44:45 of webspages? Mar 26 11:44:54 ah. ok Mar 26 11:45:10 can somebody help me with packaging for maemo? Mar 26 11:45:25 I would like to package python-elementary (and thus all enlightenment library) Mar 26 11:48:18 I have some basic questions. When switching target platform inside scratchbox, do it have separate set of installed applications? (ie. do I need to upgrade the sdk to 1.3 in each platform?) Mar 26 11:48:30 yes Mar 26 11:50:41 arcol, yes, you have to Mar 26 11:50:59 thanks. Mar 26 11:51:43 brb Mar 26 11:51:44 also the sdk did put a separate Xephyr launcher icon on the desktop (Maemo5 SDK). It does launch a phone-like interface just fine. However from scratchbox Im unable to launch the gui Mar 26 12:09:29 indeed, the nice UI concept and experience is the same on Opera11 for N900. Recommended Mar 26 12:10:30 NB I haven't checked the ToS Mar 26 12:13:57 EHLO punks Mar 26 12:14:27 DocS: How are the radionuclides tonight? Mar 26 12:22:42 swimming like the sea fish Mar 26 12:23:17 while most of them have three concurrent parties in a debris bed Mar 26 12:27:41 well, 1.8 rsp 2.2m of core are exposed, and when tepco filled in ('injected') SEAwater, they went 'DUH there's steam and a rise in core vessel pressure! Let's better stop this" Mar 26 12:30:28 what the hell else they thought will happen when they cool down a almost or already melting core by injecting water?? I'd say 'hooray the water seems to cool the core, we get lots of steam which shows it has been about time. Let's go on until it stops creating steam" Mar 26 12:32:24 tepco missed the right time to do this. Now their options are severely limited Mar 26 12:34:10 you could tell the story with minimal changes if you'd talk about your car's engine and its cooling instead of a reactor Mar 26 12:36:43 DocScrutinizer, the EE that also knows about car engines and nuclear reactors Mar 26 12:37:26 yay, my sarcasm detector alarm yelled way too loud Mar 26 12:37:35 DocScrutinizer: <3 Mar 26 12:38:15 please don't ban me Mar 26 12:38:55 why should I? Did you do anything inappropriate to the channel? Mar 26 12:40:22 it's more like it's been me going OT like I did several times each day for the last two weeks Mar 26 12:47:19 kerio: honestly, first thing they did at Fucku was 'venting to reduce PV pressure', which of course resulted in water escaping from reactor as steam. Now when they fill in new water, what would they expect the new water to do? OF COURSE it also will need to escape as steam, and you need to continue doing this procedure as fast as you can, until the pressure inside PV stays in limits and the water level stays high enough to cover the core Mar 26 12:49:53 ...while concurrently you should try to get normal closed loop cooling back to function, so energy can transport out of core and containment not by steam but by water pumped to a heat exchanger and then back into core Mar 26 12:51:05 DocS: well some of the water might seep down through cracks Mar 26 12:51:19 yeah, now. in block3 Mar 26 12:51:22 yep Mar 26 12:51:37 Which means they won't be ableto restore the normal cooling, most likely Mar 26 12:52:06 ...Samsung unveiled new Galaxy Tab tablets and showed videos of interviews with 'true-life' users who raved about the Tab, including a travel writer, a filmmaker, and a real-estate CEO. One problem: the writer and the CEO are actually New York stage actors. Mar 26 12:52:09 as mentioned above. They missed to do the right ting right time, now their options are severely limited Mar 26 12:52:23 RST38h: lol Mar 26 12:52:32 * RST38h is not sure there has been the right thing to do from the start =( Mar 26 12:53:36 Poor Samsung, couldn't get a CEO and a travel writer. I wonder where they got a filmmaker though and how much they paid... Mar 26 12:53:58 RST38h: obviously not. But they didn't even try to do the 'wrong' thing right Mar 26 12:56:13 Ah, today RSS feeds just keep delivering: http://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/teaching-fp-to-freshmen/ Mar 26 12:56:45 (in short: CMU stops teaching freshmen OO programming) Mar 26 12:56:47 instead they were shocked about the 'wrong' thing (injecting seawater) worked as expected and so gave them same "problems" again (overpressure), so they decided to reduce/stop even that, to trade in high pressure for a veritable coremelt Mar 26 12:57:33 they started relieving pressure *before* injecting the seawater Mar 26 12:57:50 exactly Mar 26 12:58:04 which reduced amount of water in cooling Mar 26 12:58:28 either way, a device that can only remain stable with external power supply and blows up when that supply fails is not something I would like to see anywhere near myself Mar 26 12:58:31 so they thought when they refill, then WHY should this new water also create pressure/steam?? Mar 26 12:58:36 3 stooges Mar 26 12:59:15 so, the real stooge here is GE who designed this thing in the 70s Mar 26 13:02:38 actually releasing steam without *same time* refilling the exact amount of water that got lost as steam was the first and worst bad thing they did Mar 26 13:03:09 would not change a thing Mar 26 13:03:18 sure Mar 26 13:03:57 * RST38h got to use the latest Ovi Maps for routing yesterday: cooool Mar 26 13:03:58 it would create a continuous cooling Mar 26 13:04:07 Wish we had something like that i Maemo... Mar 26 13:04:21 DocS: Also continuous stream of vapor Mar 26 13:04:39 can somebody give me an angrybirds .deb package? Mar 26 13:04:54 DocS: Very visible, if not poisonous. Instant seppuku for whoever allowed that. Mar 26 13:05:11 on my device it is not cached anymore (/var/cache/apt/archives), and in ovi store it marks, I already downloaded Mar 26 13:05:29 if there's so much energy created inside the containment that the system needs to vent steam then you need to sustain that steam venting until another better cooling is established, and to sustain it you need to refill water constantly Mar 26 13:07:02 RST38h: exactly. What I said. They traded in relatively harmless steam escaping from CV by just sitting and watching core to meltdown Mar 26 13:08:18 DocS: Their fate has been sealed once Asahi Shimbun published an article in 1986 claiming that "Russians can only be trusted with a balalaika" :) Mar 26 13:08:28 not that I couldn't understand this mindset. I'm postponing my next visit at dentist since 12 months now. I know it will get only worse Mar 26 13:08:41 DocS: Karma. Dangerous thing to lose. Mar 26 13:10:51 now they send in "volunteers" into water with 3.8MBq/cm^3 to fix the cooling. HELL what do they think will happen when they start that cooling? It also needs water Mar 26 13:11:55 Doc: This will happen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_%28nuclear_reactor%29 Mar 26 13:25:03 >> Flooding of the corium mass with water, or falling of molten corium mass into a water pool, may result in a temperature spike and production of large amounts of hydrogen which can result in a pressure spike in the containment vessel. The steam explosion resulting from such sudden corium-water contact can disperse the materials, forming projectiles that may damage the containment by impact. Mar 26 13:26:20 hm, isn't that one of the most dangerous materials ever or what? Mar 26 13:26:23 Wonderful, amazing substance Mar 26 13:26:29 kerio: not really Mar 26 13:29:24 woo, battery has been on 0.4% for about 6hrs now Mar 26 13:32:32 auenfx4: no, bme lies are at "battery: 0.4%" now for 6h ;-P Mar 26 13:34:02 Reminder: Maemo Community Council meeting in 30 minutes in #maemo-meeting Mar 26 13:51:42 DocScrutinizer, probably, it went from 75% to 0.4% rather quickly :P Mar 26 13:55:54 Anyone recommend a news source that isn't a steaming pile of anti-nuclear sensationalism? Mar 26 13:59:00 news.bbc.co.uk? Mar 26 14:18:04 GAN900: theregister? Mar 26 14:19:54 No, neither of those are good answers. :) Mar 26 15:01:27 GAN900, I have the feeling that the newspapers are a bit sad that it is only one nuclear power plant right now, and even there it is only one block Mar 26 15:01:56 they'd be much happier if they could already write about babies and old women dying from radioactive fallout Mar 26 15:02:25 There are 4 blocks + 2 in reserve in the casr the first 4 do notdeliver. Mar 26 15:03:03 GAN900: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/ Mar 26 15:03:04 radioactivity feels so much more dangerous than a tsunami! even though the latter already killed people, whereas the former might kill people Mar 26 15:03:30 I am too cynical for this world. Mar 26 15:03:43 yes, you are, die now. Mar 26 15:03:51 * RST38h laughs diabolically Mar 26 15:03:53 from radioactivity? Mar 26 15:04:00 I'll try! Mar 26 15:04:28 * mikhas opens windows to increase exposure Mar 26 15:05:43 thanks for the link though, RST38h Mar 26 15:05:49 those PDF's are great Mar 26 15:08:35 mikhas, yes. Mar 26 15:09:03 And all of the news networks are trotting out slobbering anti-nuclear activists as "nuclear experts". Mar 26 15:09:47 GAN900: You definitely want TheRegister coverage then Mar 26 15:09:57 what was dead toll for that tsunami so far Mar 26 15:10:05 is it 3k or 30k? Mar 26 15:10:06 GAN900: Very logical, very unhuman, just like we like it =) Mar 26 15:10:43 RST38h, TheReighter, really? Mar 26 15:10:49 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/ Mar 26 15:10:57 Yea, who else? TheOnion? =) Mar 26 15:11:00 * GAN900 notes they changed the Grand Prix course layout . . . again. Mar 26 15:11:24 I am trembling in fear! radioactivity at the gates of the nuclear power plant might soon reach the amount of radiation from a CT scan! Mar 26 15:13:48 does the N900 have a builtin firewall ? I can only access the SSH server even though I'm listening on port 1433 with a custom python script (on root) Mar 26 15:14:30 no Mar 26 15:15:10 but what could be stopping me ? :S I'm not running a firewall on my client machine Mar 26 15:19:01 jacktheripper: nope Mar 26 15:19:05 jacekowski, any ideas if 0.05 frequencies can be enabled in fmtxd? Mar 26 15:19:08 jacktheripper: nothing on n900 Mar 26 15:19:19 MohammadAG: i don't think driver can do it Mar 26 15:19:29 MohammadAG: but if it can it can be enabled Mar 26 15:19:54 jacekowski, it's not a limitation in HW though right? Mar 26 15:20:00 i think it may be Mar 26 15:21:20 interesting Mar 26 15:21:26 solved, mistake in the script :) Mar 26 15:21:37 though Nokia's S60 FMTX HW supports it Mar 26 15:21:41 hmm Mar 26 15:21:49 S60 devices* Mar 26 15:21:52 MohammadAG: if you want you can check it Mar 26 15:22:01 MohammadAG: <------><------>.channel_spacing<------>= 10, Mar 26 15:22:02 that line Mar 26 15:22:05 modify it to 1 Mar 26 15:22:07 and recompile Mar 26 15:22:16 what about fmtxd? Mar 26 15:22:23 fmtxd should read it Mar 26 15:23:04 jacekowski, fmtxd reads its own values Mar 26 15:23:25 I mean, in the mediaplayer, I was reading from sysfs, but fmtxd refused to switch on those frequencies Mar 26 15:23:43 Channel spacing is 100 in sysfs, .2 in MHz on my device Mar 26 15:24:09 hmmm Mar 26 15:24:50 it shouldn't Mar 26 15:26:04 yep, sysfs reports 100, fmtx_client says 200 Mar 26 15:26:13 freq_step=200 Mar 26 15:27:02 jacekowski, also, sysfs reports 87 as the lowest MHz, fmtxd reports 88.1 Mar 26 15:28:57 hey timsamoff_maemo Mar 26 15:35:00 morning =) Mar 26 15:36:55 morning :P Mar 26 15:38:02 MohammadAG: NB FM chan spacing is different in US and EU Mar 26 15:38:19 Doc: AFAIK it is the same 100kHz Mar 26 15:38:24 DocScrutinizer51, I know, it's 2 in the US (as on my device) Mar 26 15:38:42 no Mar 26 15:38:44 200 Mar 26 15:38:47 Hmmm Mar 26 15:38:58 1-3-5-7-9 Mar 26 15:39:00 Only 20-30 are used for a channel anyway... Mar 26 15:39:06 How interesting Mar 26 15:39:15 lower freq is 87.5 Mar 26 15:39:15 with fmtx faker the whole range is unlocked obviously Mar 26 15:39:45 neither 87 nor 88.1 Mar 26 15:40:13 I mean *official* Mar 26 15:40:48 in EU Mar 26 15:41:00 us is some 70 Mar 26 15:41:15 76? Mar 26 15:43:41 88.1 on US devices Mar 26 15:45:05 i still can't select 108.0 on the default UI Mar 26 15:45:07 :( Mar 26 15:49:36 no, US is 88.1 Mar 26 15:49:43 I don't have to say that again :P Mar 26 15:51:30 kerio, fmtx_client can't set 108.0 Mar 26 15:53:42 oh, why is that? :| Mar 26 15:54:12 you can force any frequency you want with v4l2ctl Mar 26 15:56:47 http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/fkeoc2ez/screenshot_052.png Mar 26 15:56:52 bad things may happen Mar 26 15:59:37 TIL you need 7gb of free space to build openoffice Mar 26 16:03:11 DocScrutinizer, that's too bad. Mar 26 16:13:50 Which is the latest version of qt for maemo ? Mar 26 16:15:28 4.8 is libqt4-experimental afaik Mar 26 16:45:22 ahhahaha, ssh from the e7 phone works! Mar 26 16:48:38 MohammadAG: :nod: I've been wrong >>The FM band in Japan is 76-90 MHz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_broadcast_band Mar 26 16:48:46 that sounds rather amazing, just that they managed to not break compatibility for existing apps Mar 26 16:49:16 and does hw keyboard work too? That used to be broken all the time by new models iirc :) Mar 26 16:55:34 ShadowJK, S60 has good compatibility Mar 26 16:56:20 MohammadAG: though >>In March 2008, the FCC requested public comment on turning the bandwidth currently occupied by analog television channels 5 and 6 (76–88 MHz) over to extending the FM broadcast band when the digital television transition was to be completed in February 2009 (ultimately delayed to June 2009).[9] This proposed allocation would effectively assign frequencies corresponding to the existing Japanese FM radio service (which Mar 26 16:56:21 begins at 76 MHz) for use as an extension to the existing North American FM broadcast band. Mar 26 17:03:05 MohammadAG: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/VHF_Usage.svg Mar 26 17:09:19 Doc: Too bad the chat misses modulation type Mar 26 17:10:02 Doc: Airband/Marine is actually AM, not FM, if I remember correctly Mar 26 17:10:16 yes, that's correct Mar 26 17:10:34 Also of some interest is a reference to an obsolete 819-line (!) TV Mar 26 17:10:48 except of an occasional SSB Mar 26 17:11:06 WOW Mar 26 17:11:22 interlaced? Mar 26 17:11:25 Well, it is actually 2x410, but still Mar 26 17:11:29 of course Mar 26 17:11:29 or progressive? Mar 26 17:11:33 no, interlaced Mar 26 17:11:38 forget progressive:) Mar 26 17:12:33 525-line sounds like NTSC, 625-line is PAL/SECAM Mar 26 17:12:42 * DocScrutinizer waits for crashanddie_ complaining about geeks sounding like "the big bang theory" Mar 26 17:12:44 405 and 819 I had no idea about Mar 26 17:13:13 me neither Mar 26 17:13:54 well, 405 might be Hitler speaking at olympic games :-P Mar 26 17:14:19 405 is British, 819 is French/Belgian Mar 26 17:14:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_television_systems <== some serious geek fun there Mar 26 17:16:47 both were monochrome Mar 26 17:31:25 http://i.imgur.com/FaG14.png today's UI progress Mar 26 18:22:39 hi i resize my device Mydocs/opt and now i always get full storage issue pop up ..... ; is it due to the resize or the fact that now my rootfs is full ? Mar 26 18:23:31 we cannot know from here, but df should tell you Mar 26 18:24:12 root is nor full but i have 0% free Mar 26 18:25:28 troulouliou, rootfs is a compressed filesystem Mar 26 18:25:42 if you have no free space, you have no free space :) Mar 26 18:25:54 and hence the answer to your question Mar 26 18:26:38 ok that the issue ; another one ; i always get seg fault when using subversion svn command Mar 26 18:26:56 i debugded with gdb on the phone and the issue is locate in libapr from apache Mar 26 18:27:26 arm equivalent to mov 0, value Mar 26 18:27:35 anywhere to report this ? Mar 26 18:28:22 did packages just suddenly lose maintainer addresses? do they have bugtrackers? did you search the net for upstream? Mar 26 18:29:13 ok the same way as ever :) just got a n900 some month ago and i m setting it up slowly upon free time Mar 26 18:29:21 no main phone Mar 26 18:29:32 and not a lot of time testing ... Mar 26 18:31:51 lcuck: thanks for time Mar 26 19:06:54 so, if anyone here happens to have w7 and is in europe, now would be a good time to click the clock in the system notification area Mar 26 19:07:24 haha Mar 26 19:07:41 "WARNING, summertime!" ? Mar 26 19:10:46 screenshot? Mar 26 19:28:17 corsac: yeah, i made one Mar 26 19:32:48 timeless_w7ip: can you share? Mar 26 19:35:35 anyone know of an application that can be used to upload/sync your contacts with your google voice/contacts? Mar 26 19:35:42 from the N900 of course Mar 26 19:44:49 no, we injected a virus into google's virus, and that earned us a sentence to not speak about it Mar 26 19:45:08 corsac: once i find my collection of w7 stuff Mar 26 19:46:44 http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/fingerable%20clock/clock-near-dst.png Mar 26 19:47:45 Lol DocScrutinizer :P Mar 26 19:48:18 I mean, if I must go through the steps of using a Win/OSX/Linux box between, fine... I'm checking here now: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google Mar 26 19:48:41 The OCSP server experienced an internal error. Mar 26 19:48:44 (Error code: sec_error_ocsp_server_error) Mar 26 19:48:47 fgrr Mar 26 19:48:50 wrong window Mar 26 19:49:07 timeless_w7ip, -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=915331#post915331 Mar 26 19:50:40 heh Mar 26 19:50:41 ouch Mar 26 19:50:51 nice lcuk, trying to skip some days huh? Mar 26 19:51:15 Gizmokid2005, umm yeah perhaps Mar 26 19:51:28 unintended whoopsie Mar 26 19:52:05 how'd you manage that? Mar 26 20:03:45 timeless_w7ip, that's how it's been since Vista Mar 26 20:04:04 the DST notice Mar 26 20:05:00 osso-addressbook-backup -e contacts.vcard Mar 26 20:05:04 ^^ amazing command :) Mar 26 20:10:34 ewhat does SJC mean Mar 26 20:20:00 mohammadag: some of us didn't use Vista Mar 26 20:20:17 shadowjk: google it? Mar 26 20:20:24 timeless_w7ip, lucky you then :P Mar 26 20:22:20 MohammadAG why not 7? Mar 26 20:22:43 cause 7 wasn't there when vista came out Mar 26 20:40:15 haha, opera segfault on opera:settings 'ignore plugins filename' browse-button Mar 26 20:40:55 also a pity not even youtube does play Mar 26 20:42:23 flash isn't supposed to work in opera :) Mar 26 20:43:34 I have seen random snippets of mail log on the interwebs, and I get the feeling they did some special stuff in flash-plugin and microb in order to not make performance suck (more) Mar 26 20:43:55 so it probably doesn't quite behave like standard npapi plugins.. Mar 26 20:44:50 hmm Mar 26 20:46:17 you mean not even the existing flash plugin is a 'true' plugin that can get used by any other app? Mar 26 21:14:08 how do i tag threads on tmo? Mar 26 21:15:07 i think you tag posts not threads Mar 26 21:15:12 but i never got into that tagging thing Mar 26 21:15:38 *tag* you're it! Mar 26 21:15:45 lol Mar 26 21:15:48 no Mar 26 21:15:50 you tag threads Mar 26 21:29:07 im bored+ Mar 26 21:29:14 any ideas? Mar 26 21:31:53 Pillum, get the tablet UX from #meego and see what works etc Mar 26 21:32:05 ok Mar 26 22:44:05 How is it that Bluetooth is so amazingly useless. Mar 26 22:44:07 It makes OS X _kernel panic_. Mar 26 22:44:13 Nothing manages that anymore. Mar 26 22:44:47 that's another reason why os x sucks Mar 26 22:45:26 I think that's actually a reason Bluetooth sucks. Mar 26 22:45:49 It's promise is completely lacking on every platform I've ever used it on. Mar 26 22:46:21 works for me Mar 26 22:46:34 if you are using limited gay platform like osx it's your fault Mar 26 22:46:45 :) Mar 26 22:46:54 I didn't realize software platforms could be homosexual. Mar 26 22:49:03 Can I use dial-up internet on my phone? Mar 26 22:49:52 not on n900 Mar 26 22:51:09 Why not? Mar 26 22:51:24 Apart from operating system stacks being buggy, the adapters/hw itself is often extremely buggy :-) Mar 26 22:51:41 The N900 has the hardware to make a call IIRC. Mar 26 22:52:14 Yep, it does. Apparentlu that is one of its main features. Mar 26 22:52:14 you can install bt-dun Mar 26 22:52:21 because nobody thought it'd be a priority to write code to support a modulation that fell out of use 10 years ago Mar 26 22:52:30 timeless_w7ip: I want to dialup with the sim inside the phone Mar 26 22:52:50 lolcat: as opposed to the sim sitting on your lap? Mar 26 22:53:09 As opposed to a sim in some other device Mar 26 22:53:17 uh huh Mar 26 22:53:30 you think we have an xray machine hidden somewhere in the hardware? Mar 26 22:53:47 'we have'? YOu are with Nokia? Mar 26 22:54:02 I belive the N900 can connect to external hardware Mar 26 22:54:02 that's what is says on my paycheck Mar 26 22:54:03 ... Mar 26 22:54:16 lolcat, suddenly you're talking about something else? Mar 26 22:54:16 LIke say a modem or another phone Mar 26 22:54:16 lolcat: no support for CSD in n900 Mar 26 22:54:19 s/check/slip/ Mar 26 22:54:34 oh, you want to dial through *another* phone? Mar 26 22:54:54 timeless_w7ip: No Mar 26 22:54:56 I thought you meant you want to do CSD, and now it sounds more like you want to do BT DUN Client Mar 26 22:55:12 he never mentioned bt Mar 26 22:55:14 I want the N900 to call a number, and then give me internet without any external hardware Mar 26 22:55:21 right Mar 26 22:55:21 lolcat: you can't do it Mar 26 22:55:24 so install bt dun Mar 26 22:55:29 lolcat: that's CSD Mar 26 22:55:56 and maemo stack has no support for it Mar 26 22:56:01 meego apparently can do it Mar 26 22:56:10 * timeless_w7ip is terribly confused Mar 26 22:56:14 Can't you just revert the sound to another program? Mar 26 22:56:22 why don't you just die? Mar 26 22:56:25 install bt dun Mar 26 22:56:29 if it works, great Mar 26 22:56:35 if not, come back and ask a clear headed question Mar 26 22:56:43 lolcat, CSD doesn't use sound Mar 26 22:56:49 lolcat: it's not a sound Mar 26 22:56:51 lolcat: it's adata Mar 26 22:57:11 lolcat: and after you pack it in gsm codecs it and then unpack it Mar 26 22:57:18 well, it won't be really a data anymore Mar 26 22:57:51 I can call the dialup number Mar 26 22:57:57 yes Mar 26 22:58:05 but it won't give you anything usefull Mar 26 22:58:41 Because I am a person Mar 26 22:59:07 it has to estabilish data connection to your carrier Mar 26 22:59:21 and then carrier has a modem connected to phone line that does all analogue stuff Mar 26 22:59:29 it's called CSD Mar 26 22:59:33 n900 can't do CSD Mar 26 22:59:56 :( Mar 26 23:00:22 oh, you really need analog dialup as opposed to data? Mar 26 23:00:22 wow Mar 26 23:00:31 Yes Mar 26 23:00:35 why? Mar 26 23:00:52 I have 1000 minutes included in my subscription Mar 26 23:01:39 Some months I dodn't feel like talking to my girlfriend for a 1000 minutes Mar 26 23:02:09 Usually operators charge CSD at a much higher rate anyway, not covered by 1000 minutes Mar 26 23:03:37 You'd probably struggle to get even 2400 bits/sec modulating audio onto a voice call Mar 27 00:17:37 timeless_w7ip, ping Mar 27 01:09:07 hey MohammadAG, are you here? Mar 27 01:38:42 meepmeep Venemo Mar 27 01:41:44 hey pupnik :) Mar 27 01:43:07 what motivates u today Mar 27 01:44:49 i don't even recall how to start a scratchbox session Mar 27 01:51:56 http://qikr.co/bxzg8 Mar 27 01:56:53 try again troll Mar 27 01:57:21 :P Mar 27 01:57:22 what's up nox- ? Mar 27 01:57:34 just smiled at that :) Mar 27 01:58:01 and i finally committed the freebsd vdr ports today :) Mar 27 01:58:26 what's that link? Mar 27 01:58:51 oh image hosting Mar 27 01:58:52 joke about altavista Mar 27 01:58:55 nice Mar 27 01:59:24 i'm starting to look at grey haired people as 'normal' people Mar 27 01:59:35 heh Mar 27 01:59:35 and everyone younger is 'running around like idiots bumping into walls' Mar 27 02:00:13 :) Mar 27 02:02:38 im not grey-haired (yet?) but at least im old enough to remember email/usenet without the web and before there was spam... :) Mar 27 02:02:54 :) Mar 27 02:03:57 (and now my phone is more powerful than the my first home freebsd box... :) Mar 27 02:04:05 s/the // Mar 27 02:17:56 i remember once when my friend called me "you have to come over here NOW" Mar 27 02:18:18 i was 12 years old and i knew it was something very important... Mar 27 02:18:54 http://robert.hurst-ri.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cbmpet4032.jpg and that was sitting in his basement Mar 27 02:19:18 hehe Mar 27 02:19:19 and as soon as i saw it, the whole room seemed different Mar 27 02:19:25 * nox- started with a zx81 at home Mar 27 02:19:25 "a COMPUTER is in the room!" Mar 27 02:19:38 nobody i knew had a computer in their house Mar 27 02:19:39 (and apple ][+ at school) Mar 27 02:19:41 nice Mar 27 02:20:05 so i learned both 6502 and z80 :) Mar 27 02:20:18 nice Mar 27 02:22:06 hm actually i may have started with a ti58c... Mar 27 02:35:51 Rock and Roll Mcdonalds! Mar 27 02:40:50 oh i just had a great, perverse, sick idea. Take a Commodore PET "chicklet" mini-keyboard from 1977 and wire it up to a bluetooth controller for an android PDA Mar 27 02:44:36 hahaha Mar 27 02:44:48 ..and run some pet emulator? :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 27 02:59:59 2011