**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 27 02:59:59 2011 Mar 27 03:03:11 Netsplit, or just a quiet channel? Mar 27 03:05:36 quiet Mar 27 03:05:42 5:AM CET Mar 27 03:06:00 good morning to you kwtm Mar 27 03:06:51 morning. I had a question but have answered it. Thanks for the greeting, anyway. :) Mar 27 03:22:06 wow, debian's unrar is amazingly broken Mar 27 03:22:12 can not unrar files Mar 27 03:23:08 ahh unrar-nonfree Mar 27 03:30:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK Mar 27 03:30:32 pupnik: if you do not find a "default" command Mar 27 03:30:55 thanks sid Mar 27 03:31:37 perfect sid Mar 27 03:32:16 wasn't the command /scratchbox/login ? Mar 27 03:32:48 pupnik: would use it in a virtualbox; it _maybe_ can break your system and add strange startup services Mar 27 03:33:01 yes if i remember right Mar 27 03:33:23 ls /scratchbox/ Mar 27 03:33:24 compilers device_tools host_shared Mar 27 03:33:26 strange Mar 27 03:34:26 god i feel tired Mar 27 03:34:37 ok i still have a vmdk here Mar 27 03:35:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Mar 27 03:35:30 for installation and getting it worked Mar 27 03:37:03 what are you working on sid? Mar 27 03:38:35 at the moment i'm drunken ^^ Mar 27 03:39:01 * pupnik raises a glass Mar 27 03:39:24 .... informed about rs232 and atmega for a self build switch Mar 27 03:40:58 pupnik: you want to do something special? Mar 27 03:42:02 yes Mar 27 03:43:27 what are you working on sid? ||| did you mean debian? Mar 27 03:43:39 yea sid always sid Mar 27 03:44:47 i want to build a game client for maemo5 Mar 27 03:44:54 been working on it 4 days Mar 27 03:45:04 i am unstable :-) Mar 27 03:47:21 does it have a url; did you publish something Mar 27 03:47:22 walk slowly Mar 27 03:47:48 no i'm the only user Mar 27 03:47:59 requires ~25 days more work Mar 27 03:48:25 i'm more of a GUI guy Mar 27 03:48:31 code makes my head spin Mar 27 03:48:56 i'm happy when i'm positioning elements, renormalizing color pallettes Mar 27 03:49:17 pushing pixels... Mar 27 03:55:41 cannot create programs and else; if there is a good idea, there will be many individuals who will support it Mar 27 03:56:26 i enjoy finding those things where there are not enough supporters Mar 27 04:40:33 these powerful computers are kind of an embarassment of riches Mar 27 04:42:39 ubuntu is so sick, the "network connections" doesn't even show you your ip address Mar 27 04:45:25 use a default/minimal debian installation and only install what you need Mar 27 04:45:44 or gentoo :-) Mar 27 04:46:05 ........ ip a Mar 27 04:46:16 bye; gas station for beer Mar 27 04:46:47 --> ip a will show your local addr Mar 27 04:48:04 it's workin :) Mar 27 04:48:06 good morning and bye Mar 27 04:48:11 ~moo Mar 27 04:48:12 cheers sid thx Mar 27 04:48:16 maemo@maemo-desktop:~/work$ ls unlikely_ports/ Mar 27 04:48:17 hahah Mar 27 04:48:21 damn Mar 27 04:48:33 @docscruinizer Mar 27 04:49:09 damn? Mar 27 04:50:35 infobot on holiday Mar 27 04:56:32 oh god, it's so wonderful now in maemo5 Mar 27 04:56:43 all kinds of libs i used to have to compile myself are in repository Mar 27 04:57:06 * pupnik frolics Mar 27 05:22:27 there is almost no cell coverage when you leave large cities Mar 27 05:22:30 google nav is worthless on a real trip Mar 27 05:22:43 i drove from chicago to washington state Mar 27 05:43:41 hehe, yeah cell tower based location works suboptimal at the countryside Mar 27 05:43:58 that's why we got GPS Mar 27 05:44:01 ;-D Mar 27 05:45:25 even if you got decent coverage that doesn't mean you may have better accuracy than a radius of 20km+ around base station Mar 27 05:46:21 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html see the quoted first msg Mar 27 05:46:44 I somewhat tersely elaborated on that topic there Mar 27 05:47:54 DocScrutinizer, I think he meant more for downloading the map data itself Mar 27 05:48:13 aah, that too of course Mar 27 05:48:37 I thought about >>The radius of this circle may vary from a few 100 meters to a virtual maximum of 35km Mar 27 05:57:05 I have to say Google Nav is completely useless to me, for the same reason as Macer. Mar 27 05:57:16 I am _still_ using Maemo Mapper on my N810. Mar 27 05:58:20 And the thing is still worth its weight in gold. Mar 27 06:09:13 derf: interesting! Mar 27 06:09:42 i tried showing people my happy n810 gps and rarely was able to Mar 27 06:09:56 http://qikr.co/58ydd hq2x scalers just make my eyes melt with happiness Mar 27 06:21:20 hm Mar 27 06:21:31 i think i will try ovi for the rest of my trip Mar 27 06:21:42 but ovi doesnt do the turn by turn talking Mar 27 06:23:10 damn Mar 27 06:38:23 Macer: mapero Mar 27 06:38:35 Macer: marble? Mar 27 06:38:44 pupnik: I have a BT GPS. Mar 27 06:39:06 morning Mar 27 06:40:35 pupnik: you're aware of diablo AGPS-beta servers partially borked, and the fix to enter IP of a working one? Mar 27 06:41:54 s/servers/supl severs of nokia/ Mar 27 06:49:57 DocScrutinizer: diablo was n8x0? Mar 27 06:50:13 :nod: Mar 27 06:50:28 how did that use agps without a cell radio? Mar 27 06:50:38 WLAN Mar 27 06:51:06 so the server uses the ISP access point for localization? Mar 27 06:51:08 plus local 'ickle' Mar 27 06:51:15 'pickle' even Mar 27 06:52:27 pupnik: I dunno what exactly they do. I guess they simply get the complete ephemeris/almanac from supl Mar 27 06:52:39 plus accurate time Mar 27 06:53:05 interesting Mar 27 06:53:12 then use locale or whatever to get an idea which continent we're on Mar 27 06:55:14 anyway it's notorious N810 GPS been fubar without AGPS-beta, and recently the AGPS supl servers some of them broke, so depending on which one you access via load-balancing/localized-DNS, you find GPS working or fsckdup on N810 Mar 27 06:55:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=884296#post884296 Mar 27 07:01:20 it's quite a kick in the bollocks by Nokia that they simply don't care about that problem Mar 27 07:03:34 I'd think my spare N810 is less than 24 months old (since purchase) so I might force them to 'fix' it (or replace the device by a working one) - there's a think called warranty here in EU Mar 27 07:03:46 s/think/thing/ Mar 27 07:33:12 plsbodagrnd Mar 27 07:33:45 sry wrong window Mar 27 07:33:55 * doc|home insulted! Mar 27 07:49:23 Hi Mar 27 07:52:44 Hi Mar 27 07:52:45 Hi Mar 27 07:52:45 Hi Mar 27 07:52:45 Hi Mar 27 07:52:45 Hi Mar 27 07:52:46 Hi Mar 27 07:52:46 Hi Mar 27 07:52:46 Hi Mar 27 07:52:47 Hi Mar 27 07:52:47 Hi Mar 27 07:52:48 Hi Mar 27 07:52:48 Hi Mar 27 07:52:48 Hi Mar 27 07:52:49 Hi Mar 27 07:52:50 Hi Mar 27 07:52:59 idiot Mar 27 07:53:35 what's up Mar 27 07:54:34 doc|home zakroi svoi gniloi rot Mar 27 07:55:59 pupnik~ hi dog Mar 27 07:58:29 hi? Mar 27 07:58:58 sid~ you stupid Mar 27 07:59:04 sorry; no comment Mar 27 08:03:51 Rinat i think you want kick? так что самой рот закрой Mar 27 08:05:42 ZogG~ otvali pozornui chert Mar 27 08:07:21 arn sdl-mixer for fremantle has no ogg support Mar 27 08:07:23 *darn Mar 27 08:07:25 DocScrutinizer-8, i think you find a friend for yourself Mar 27 08:07:44 pupnik, do you really have ogg? Mar 27 08:07:53 this game needs it Mar 27 08:07:59 i like opensource and everything but i do use mp3 Mar 27 08:08:00 so i guess i build my own Mar 27 08:08:09 and now mp3 is opensource =) Mar 27 08:08:26 pupnik, oh you are still into this nerds game Mar 27 08:08:36 ZogG~ you go to my big member Mar 27 08:08:48 bye Mar 27 08:08:51 poka Mar 27 08:09:17 i feel sorry for some people Mar 27 08:09:21 who's the big member now! Mar 27 08:09:24 or something Mar 27 08:09:31 Proteous, =) Mar 27 08:09:32 he's back so soon Mar 27 08:09:34 i thought not shipping with ogg support was bad enough, but not building opensource libraries with it is worse Mar 27 08:09:36 idi naxyi Mar 27 08:09:41 ignat, =) Mar 27 08:09:55 but that was a pretty weak ban mask Mar 27 08:10:03 Proteous, member in russian is the same word for penis =) Mar 27 08:10:10 it is in english too Mar 27 08:10:12 slang anyway Mar 27 08:10:17 in the US :P Mar 27 08:10:21 Proteous, i think DocScrutinizer doesn't matter to make more bans ) Mar 27 08:10:30 * pupnik is a member of maemo.org Mar 27 08:10:38 member in english is not penis Mar 27 08:10:48 well, doc only banned the nick, and he just rejoined as ignat Mar 27 08:10:50 soooo Mar 27 08:11:09 sooo more bans and kicks Mar 27 08:11:11 xa xa Mar 27 08:11:18 it is even more interesting Mar 27 08:11:49 DocScrutinizer, btw if i want vhost who do i bug? Mar 27 08:11:58 ZogG, how exactly is mp3 open source? Mar 27 08:13:10 I suggest mode +b *!*@m90-140-6-34.cust.tele2.ru Mar 27 08:13:33 I'd just do: /mode +q Mar 27 08:13:37 heh Mar 27 08:13:58 ruskie, not opensource but free at least Mar 27 08:14:08 hmm might want -b *!~ju@*.cust.tele2.ru Mar 27 08:14:11 it was patented for 25 years or somethinng Mar 27 08:14:15 ZogG, no it's patent encrusted Mar 27 08:14:19 still is Mar 27 08:14:29 encrusted Mar 27 08:14:30 heh Mar 27 08:14:33 mp3 based products are still being seized Mar 27 08:14:35 i thought it was till 2010 or 2911 Mar 27 08:14:37 2011* Mar 27 08:14:47 also ogg is better in quality Mar 27 08:14:57 and smaller in size Mar 27 08:15:23 he is PMing me =) Mar 27 08:15:28 ... Mar 27 08:15:46 he just wants to be friends! Mar 27 08:15:52 /ignore never fails ;) Mar 27 08:16:00 he is still in the channel since doc didn't kick him after adding the ban :) Mar 27 08:16:01 scratchbox say i have multiple definitions of a function, but x86 desktop does not Mar 27 08:16:07 yeah just can't talk Mar 27 08:16:20 you sure? Mar 27 08:16:32 i check my config / make flags Mar 27 08:16:42 yeah iirc if you are +b you can't chat Mar 27 08:16:48 no matter ifit's just +q Mar 27 08:19:32 yes and you can't come back once you're out Mar 27 08:20:18 correct Mar 27 08:20:51 ZogG: that patent expired many moons ago Mar 27 08:21:12 jacekowski, that's what i said Mar 27 08:21:35 The various MP3-related patents expire on dates ranging from 2007 to 2017 in the U.S. Mar 27 08:22:14 so no... not all patents have expired yet Mar 27 08:22:29 ruskie, in soviet russia patents do expire you Mar 27 08:23:39 ZogG: Hetzner.de ofers vhosts Mar 27 08:24:38 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libs/libsdl-mixer-ogg-mp3-1.2/libsdl-mixer-ogg-mp3-1.2-dev_1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3-3_armel.deb ahh Mar 27 08:24:54 long package name Mar 27 08:24:57 DocScrutinizer, i mean is there any IRC inside vhost? Mar 27 08:25:04 ahh you mean a cloak Mar 27 08:25:25 you can get an unaffiliated/ cloak Mar 27 08:26:28 thank you Kevin Rogovin Mar 27 08:31:30 [vvv Mar 27 08:31:35 hmm Mar 27 08:32:20 anyway most of the music I have is in flac Mar 27 08:32:54 ++ Mar 27 08:33:02 * ZogG xmms2> The Jolly Boys - You Can't Always Get What You Want ["Great Expectations" 2010] Mar 27 08:34:51 boo @ not working Mar 27 08:34:52 * ruskie hopes he'll have 50eur spare next month to finally buy a sansa clip+ Mar 27 08:35:10 whatszat Mar 27 08:35:46 portable music player Mar 27 08:36:04 with a minimal screen... that can run rockbox but already supports flac out of the box as well Mar 27 08:36:22 ruskie what about cowon Mar 27 08:36:29 d2+ Mar 27 08:36:36 ZogG, I prefer screenless or minimal screen devices Mar 27 08:36:44 it is Mar 27 08:37:04 it is so small that screen is irrelevant Mar 27 08:37:20 I have an apple shuffle 2g, samsung pebble(2 of these even)... Mar 27 08:37:28 i have n900 Mar 27 08:37:30 =) Mar 27 08:37:40 and ipod video that i don't use anymore Mar 27 08:37:48 battery there is pretty dead Mar 27 08:38:00 and no the d2+ has a screen Mar 27 08:39:07 http://www.sandisk.com/products/sansa-music-and-video-players/sandisk-sansa-clip-mp3-players <-- this is the clip Mar 27 08:41:03 as i heard d2+ has really good qquality soubd Mar 27 08:41:20 and it clip has screen as well Mar 27 08:41:30 yeah 3 lines of it Mar 27 08:41:38 I don't want a video+utility+whatever extra thing Mar 27 08:42:04 you can install rockbox onto those too, for better support Mar 27 08:42:14 iirc Mar 27 08:42:45 ruskie, http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/457034/amp3-vs-cowon-d2-vs-sansa-clip Mar 27 08:43:00 you can have rockbox on both Mar 27 08:43:59 but of course finding a cowon d2 is another thing Mar 27 08:46:59 and of course the clip+ has something that the cowon d2+ lacks... physical buttons to control it Mar 27 08:47:03 which is a must for me Mar 27 08:47:24 configure still tells me i have no ogg support but i compiled the testcode fine Mar 27 08:48:44 n900 makes a nice music player when the speakers work Mar 27 08:49:11 it works but frankly I want to save the power for when I actually need it and not waste it on music playing Mar 27 08:49:18 yeah i understand Mar 27 08:53:30 if I don't use it for all day music playing I can get 4 days out of it... if I do it's more like 13-16 hours or so Mar 27 08:54:09 why would i get 'multiple definitions of...' in scratchbox but not on my host? Mar 27 08:54:48 ruskie: that's one reason to use a low power mp3 player btw... one that bypasses pulseaudio Mar 27 08:54:57 yup Mar 27 08:55:20 though haven't really monitored how much cpu time xmms2 is taking for me Mar 27 08:55:48 but i agree on the powersaving Mar 27 08:56:12 i would use the E71 for music+phone, except it doesn't work with my sim card (and the n900 does :P) Mar 27 08:56:15 strange world Mar 27 08:56:27 I could use the n95... but that has issues of it's own... Mar 27 08:57:55 of course the clip+ isn't much better on the battery use but iirc with rockbox one can get 18h+ Mar 27 08:58:15 I think it's actually better with the rockbox than with the original firmware Mar 27 09:03:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Mar 27 09:12:09 can i ignore 'multiple definitions' error in make? Mar 27 09:30:30 aha it's due to the include.h Mar 27 09:30:30 any .c file that includes include.h creates multiple definitions with all other files Mar 27 09:30:30 so the compiler barfs at the first .c file with include.h, saying all other files have redifinitions of something in that file Mar 27 09:30:32 http://paste.debian.net/112117/ Mar 27 09:39:10 pupnik: AIUI that's why you got those #ifndef foo; #define foo; at beginning of every .h Mar 27 09:39:53 an age old hotfix to a stupid problem Mar 27 09:41:04 i think i see Mar 27 09:42:00 why do they write #ifndef __INCLUDE_H instead of #ifndef INCLUDE_H ? Mar 27 09:43:26 so that's why all function prototypes were visible in all the files Mar 27 09:48:00 Because it looks cool Mar 27 09:48:47 pupnik: it's irrelevant (afaik) if it's INCLUDE_H, __INCLUDE_H, or foobarboo. It just has to be same unique string in #ifndef and next line #define Mar 27 09:49:16 why does it compile on x86 but not in sb? Mar 27 09:50:00 gcc version 4.2.1 Mar 27 09:50:10 and in x86 gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-10) Mar 27 09:53:03 i might have to redo the includes for the whole source tree Mar 27 09:55:27 pupnik, can you show me that .h file? Mar 27 09:55:32 pupnik, pastebin it Mar 27 09:55:33 yes Mar 27 09:57:13 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/360280/ Mar 27 09:57:14 Venemo: Mar 27 09:57:42 remember: works fine in x86 Mar 27 09:59:07 what's the error? Mar 27 09:59:41 pupnik, looks fine. hm. Mar 27 09:59:54 SpeedEvil, he's getting multiple redefinitions error Mar 27 09:59:58 ah Mar 27 10:00:02 http://paste.debian.net/112117/ Mar 27 10:02:11 did you do a make clean before hand Mar 27 10:02:37 Oh, I see. Mar 27 10:03:19 yeah make cleaened Mar 27 10:03:32 cleaned a few times just out of frustration Mar 27 10:04:12 lol Mar 27 10:04:12 Why is it compiling .o? Mar 27 10:04:21 make reallycleanincludingthebugs Mar 27 10:05:34 make distclean && make disinfectant? Mar 27 10:05:39 lol alterego Mar 27 10:06:53 Venemo: did you see Sage's video of the MeeGo tablet ux running on the N900 Mar 27 10:07:07 I booted it up, looks super impressive :) Mar 27 10:07:18 alterego, not yet, but I've seen da TMO thread about it :) Mar 27 10:07:19 And it's all qml :D Mar 27 10:07:25 alterego, it looks awesome Mar 27 10:07:33 I'm so failing my driving test Mar 27 10:08:24 ? Mar 27 10:08:46 alterego, Sticky Notes has been downloaded 94641 times :P Mar 27 10:08:49 'cause you answered "Yea, just run that red light" on some question? Mar 27 10:08:49 MohammadAG, :( Mar 27 10:08:57 CCLD = $(CC)$ Mar 27 10:09:00 LINK = $(CCLD) Mar 27 10:09:07 alterego: Mar 27 10:09:21 lame Mar 27 10:09:56 robbiethe1st, practical test Mar 27 10:10:07 cause I didn't look in the mirror when overtaking someone Mar 27 10:10:23 MohammadAG, _always_ look into the mirror! Mar 27 10:10:45 so how do I drive? :P Mar 27 10:11:32 They didn't tell you your score immediately? Mar 27 10:11:42 Heh, Mar 27 10:12:14 robbiethe1st: his tester passed out and was taken to hospital. Mar 27 10:12:21 Ouch Mar 27 10:12:36 truma Mar 27 10:12:39 Seriously? Mar 27 10:16:16 Do I look serious? Mar 27 10:17:24 I don't know; I can't see you Mar 27 10:17:51 I'm as serious as a kick in the testicles. Mar 27 10:18:54 MohammadAG: you are supposed to know what is around you all the time Mar 27 10:19:30 MohammadAG: as in look into the mirrors every couple seconds Mar 27 10:20:13 and check your blind spots Mar 27 10:20:31 blind spot thing was something i learned on my test Mar 27 10:24:21 You learned that on your test? You must have had an awful teacher :P Mar 27 10:28:37 i took first test without taking any lessons before Mar 27 10:30:06 Oh Mar 27 10:30:18 is there a *'any hardware channel Mar 27 10:30:51 specially rs232 Mar 27 10:32:38 where? Mar 27 10:32:40 on n900? Mar 27 10:32:44 there is under battery Mar 27 10:32:53 but it's uart Mar 27 10:32:55 not rs232 Mar 27 10:33:07 you have to convert it to rs232 levels Mar 27 10:34:18 or bt-serial Mar 27 10:36:12 awesome, i added 2 desktop shortcuts with my ear whilst on a phone call Mar 27 10:36:41 (airport and alarmd if you were wondering) Mar 27 10:37:52 broke the proximity sensor? Mar 27 10:39:04 dont think so Mar 27 10:43:08 needed to reboot to make prox to work again tho ;) Mar 27 10:45:29 hah, that gives me some ideas for this boring saturday. Finally investigate what's those frigging testpoints *really* Mar 27 10:46:05 auenfx4: LOL Mar 27 10:46:35 robbiethe1st: probably his ears nead some cleaning *urgently* ;-P Mar 27 10:46:53 heh Mar 27 10:47:39 we had the discussion of prox sensor is sensible to color of your skin, some months ago :-D Mar 27 10:48:28 DocScrutinizer: That reminds me. How about an app that, after say 1 minute of the screen being off(i.e. 'standby mode'), it runs powertop or the like, and if some user application's still using CPU, kill it. And when the user wakes up the device, it displays a message. Mar 27 10:49:03 robbiethe1st: sounds awful Mar 27 10:49:41 I'd prefer fixing the offending rogue app rather than put it under supervision Mar 27 10:49:45 Why? I, and I assume other people run into problems where occsaionally something like browserd will keep draining battery overnight Mar 27 10:49:52 even with it not visible Mar 27 10:50:18 I mean heck... -can- we even fix browserd? Mar 27 10:50:22 sure, some general sanity monitor couldn't hurt Mar 27 10:50:52 there's a similar thing been on KDE3, can't recall the name Mar 27 10:52:08 ohm/oom or hildon-dektop or whatever does similr thing, and asks you "XYZ doesn't react! Kill?" Mar 27 10:53:17 Yea, I suppose Mar 27 10:53:49 and why the hell to we need browserd at all, why not switch to some lightweight webkit browser completely Mar 27 10:54:05 Hm... Out of curiosity, can we 'pause' applications on Maemo? Like lock it so it's state is frozen and no more code can be run? Mar 27 10:58:14 hm... "kill -stop *pid*" and "kill -cont *pid*". Hey DocScrutinizer , do we have any daemon or anything that'll run a command when the screen is locked or the hold-switch is used? Mar 27 10:58:49 dbus-scripting Mar 27 10:59:38 I'm absolutely sure you won't like the results of kill -SIGSTOP Mar 27 11:00:13 It seems to work on the browser; when it was stopped, it wouldn't react(though scrolling still worked, for some odd reason)... Mar 27 11:00:45 and when I used continue, it -started- responding.. Mar 27 11:01:17 meh, you'll see major obstacles, and the whole thing won't give you what you planned it to do Mar 27 11:01:30 Hm, possibly. Mar 27 11:02:14 it's a fubar concept really Mar 27 11:02:24 It might, however, be able to pause browserd and keep it from taking resources when in sleep. Which is what I really care about Mar 27 11:03:07 if an app is constantly eating CPU cycles, then it's either doing so for some good reason, or it's broken by design and needs proper fixing honestly Mar 27 11:03:48 and stopping processes doesn't mean the resources get freed, au contraire Mar 27 11:04:19 'resources' meaning CPU. I'd assume memory from the used process would get swapped out? Mar 27 11:04:21 if you got a runaway browserd, the sigkill or sigint it Mar 27 11:05:00 robbiethe1st: nah, I'm not going to discuss the plethora of ways this concept is doomed to fail at Mar 27 11:05:13 Problem is, I've no real clue when it's working right and when it isn't. And heck, if I could somehow make it that I could leave browsers -open- without draining my battery doubley-fast... Mar 27 11:05:28 just one thing: message queues Mar 27 11:05:41 mutex Mar 27 11:05:42 For browserd? Mar 27 11:05:44 IPC Mar 27 11:06:41 Meh. I'll just test it, see what happens. if it works manually, I'll see about setting up an auto-launcher. Mar 27 11:09:05 do whatever you want, but don't get disappointed when it doesn't work or later on people shout at you for breaking their whole system Mar 27 11:09:41 I suggest you take a look at CPU quota, and dbus-scripting calling a killall browserd on tklock Mar 27 11:09:42 Fair enough. Though, how would -you- fix browserd? Mar 27 11:09:55 on.. tklock? Mar 27 11:09:57 I've not seen any need to fix it Mar 27 11:11:07 Oh; that explains it then Mar 27 11:11:31 I've seen browserd eating some 400MB of memory and never releasing it, when you kill the browser-ui via "doesn't answer! kill?" Mar 27 11:11:54 but never seen browserd itself eating CPU constantly Mar 27 11:12:28 except for this frigging swapping involved by 400MB mem alloc Mar 27 11:13:10 flash otoh is notorious to eat CPU constantly, even while in background Mar 27 11:15:20 I installed the flash-blocker script; haven't had any trouble after that Mar 27 11:15:52 Thing is, sometimes I wake up in the morning(I charge my n900 before I go to bed) and it's at like 50%, while other times it's at 80-90. Mar 27 11:16:08 I've checked powertop on the former, and it shows browserd eating some chunk of the pie Mar 27 11:18:22 browserd is needed for several systems (messaging, mail, conversations, whatnot). Prepare for other processes run away or break or whatever when stopping the associated browserd Mar 27 11:18:43 Hm, that'll be interesting.. Mar 27 11:19:18 Heck, I may want to just pause them too - considering I have it on /offline mode/, it shouldn't be doing much of /anything/ other than updating the clock. Mar 27 11:19:25 you'll run into a deadlock hell when stopping arbitrary random processes without understanding what and why they do Mar 27 11:20:15 Hm. Mar 27 11:21:11 honestly that's not the right way to put things straight Mar 27 11:22:16 The /right/ way is to have it all OSS and /fix/ it, that I know. Mar 27 11:22:29 you think you fix one issue while in fact you introduce 7 new ones Mar 27 13:13:46 Moo all Mar 27 13:19:16 RST38h: moo Mar 27 13:19:59 Doc: Arrre we having a meltdownnnn? =) Mar 27 13:20:16 since >10day aiui Mar 27 13:25:29 Hello ! Mar 27 13:28:02 hi, on my N900s dmesg I'm getting a large number of attempt to access beyond end of device Mar 27 13:28:52 for the internal memory I think - mmcblk0p1 Mar 27 14:05:29 Hi, has anyone a idea how to turn on the led on the back of the n900 via ssh? (so the xterm command is what i need) Mar 27 14:06:54 cyrix, ? the camera torch and/or the privacy red light thing? Mar 27 14:07:47 lcuk, ähm :) I think I mean the bright one - so the camera torch? Mar 27 14:10:41 cyrix: Install 'flashlight' Mar 27 14:11:19 cyrix, it is controllable by talking to the low level V4L2 api (and whatever other mechanims ontop), SpeedEvil flashlight is a UI app and not command line Mar 27 14:11:19 cyrix: then oprern the shutter, dismiss the camera, open the menu by clicking on the status area, then click flashlight. Mar 27 14:11:26 I know Mar 27 14:11:34 lcuk, ähm :) I think I mean the bright one - so the camera torch? Mar 27 14:11:35 Ah. Mar 27 14:11:38 so wrong one Mar 27 14:11:47 I need to turn it on via ssh Mar 27 14:11:59 I had v4lctl somewhere that worked with the right arguments Mar 27 14:12:07 yes SpeedEvil it does Mar 27 14:12:18 So how do I talk to the api? Mar 27 14:12:38 with code. Mar 27 14:13:00 * lcuk cue Samuel L Jackson quote Mar 27 14:13:16 lcuk, I assumed that :) Mar 27 14:13:24 cyrix: there is no real 'turn flashlight on' API Mar 27 14:13:31 cyrix, find the v4lctl app that SpeedEvil mentioned Mar 27 14:13:32 It's really subsumed under the camera control. Mar 27 14:13:44 it does have a turnflashlight on parameter Mar 27 14:14:11 cyrix, problem is that v4lctl is a helped app within a larger package Mar 27 14:14:22 Whichwill only work if nothing has /dev/video0 open - which rthe camera app will if the shutter is open. Mar 27 14:14:27 the larger package has to my knowledge not been full ported/made available in -devel yet Mar 27 14:14:49 Which reminds me I keep meaning to drill out a couple of holes in my camera shutter so it works with the flashlight when closed. Mar 27 14:15:25 SpeedEvil, is there a possibily to use /dev/video0 and the camera torch? Mar 27 14:15:52 What do you mean by that? Mar 27 14:16:12 There is also a app that lets you turn on/off the light, and focus while cam is on Mar 27 14:16:13 SpeedEvil, hint: just keep the shutter open Mar 27 14:16:37 http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/ Mar 27 14:16:53 lcuk: I don't want to get fingerprints on the lens. Mar 27 14:16:58 That is annoying. Mar 27 14:17:15 I think about using a video straming app and the flash light to control a roboter remotely. The roboter reacts with light. so I need the video image to see and the light to control. Hope the concept is understandable Mar 27 14:17:42 read source of lfocus Mar 27 15:57:11 http://qikr.co/f6cwb lol @ windows error (sfw) Mar 27 17:00:07 I want to upgrade my N900. my question is when last version of meamo released ? and I copied everything on my phone in my computer. also the contents of /home/user my question is where is messages (conversation ) and contact folder ? Mar 27 17:01:18 and is it possible to change my partitions ? because I don't want fat and I preferred ext3.so when should I change my partitions ? before install new maemo or after that ? Mar 27 17:05:02 hi mintux Mar 27 17:05:17 pupnik_:hi dude Mar 27 17:05:40 1) don't know 2) don't understand 3) which partitions? Mar 27 17:05:49 :-D perfect Mar 27 17:08:13 hey guys.. Mar 27 17:08:25 pupnik_: each settings and everything has a folder or directory . fore example Thunderbird has a mail directory that store mails on it.so there is a directory stored messages in conversation such as sms and IM's so that I want to know where is that. also contacts has a setting directory certainly Mar 27 17:08:41 I tried installing NITdroid (gingerbread) and ended up in some mess.. Mar 27 17:09:37 mintux: maemo has a backup/restore facility, you should use that Mar 27 17:10:09 pupnik_: I don't sure backup messages .just contacts I think Mar 27 17:11:14 pupnik_: in N900 there is two memory.one of them is 250MB I think that installed maemo and 32GB that deviede two 2GB ext3 and another fat32 for recognize in windows . but I don't want fat and I prefer have ext3 partition Mar 27 17:14:01 are there another backup tools ? Mar 27 17:15:27 mintux: talk.maemo.org "full backup" Mar 27 17:15:39 backup/restore applications and preferences Mar 27 17:15:51 i do not support you breaking your device with filesystem changes Mar 27 17:15:53 :) Mar 27 17:16:00 :-D Mar 27 17:16:34 pupnik_:it's just a partition table . a file Mar 27 17:16:35 hmm for people who do not want fat on their n900 maemo, shouldn't there be a diet/yoga/fitness dvd? Mar 27 17:17:04 pupnik_: and can restore I think Mar 27 17:17:35 a recent study estimates that americans consume 3 billion litres of petrol per year due to their overweight bodies making their cars work extra schlepping them around Mar 27 17:17:58 pupnik: don't worry, we're exporting that habit too Mar 27 17:18:10 Hey guys. Mar 27 17:18:16 the eu will catch up in about 5 years Mar 27 17:18:23 i have read this Mar 27 17:18:49 it would catch up sooner, but it got out of breath running. Mar 27 17:18:59 btw, the largest chain is no longer McDonald's Mar 27 17:19:30 I installed multiboot,nitroid installer and rebooted.. bussssssssss... all my maemo settings gone and no android either. Mar 27 17:19:50 we replaced it with Subway recently Mar 27 17:20:13 * SpeedEvil yays at reducing the UKs statistics on weight by around 500nanograms/capita Mar 27 17:20:14 LeakyPug, sounds like your install leaked out Mar 27 17:20:21 tried to restore the backup,but still power kernel is not loaded.. Mar 27 17:20:35 timeless_xchat, not unsurprising Mar 27 17:20:35 and many other setups are not restored. Mar 27 17:20:51 really? i was amazed to hear it Mar 27 17:20:58 easier to setup a sandwich franchise that does not require the dedicated kitchenspace to same degree Mar 27 17:21:09 we have one in our local garage !? Mar 27 17:21:12 i know there are a couple Subway's here Mar 27 17:21:32 actually, they bake their own breads Mar 27 17:21:35 There is one in my local town centre. Mar 27 17:21:35 timeless_xchat, mcd requires large friers etc Mar 27 17:21:46 anyway that i can revert back to the pre-nitdroid state? Mar 27 17:21:48 oh. does anyone know of dlna av servers to be run on n900? Mar 27 17:23:00 when N1000 come ? Mar 27 17:23:04 :-D Mar 27 17:23:11 with meego Mar 27 17:23:48 and i cannot use HAM or fapman or even the terminal apt-get Mar 27 17:24:07 dpkg gets locked.. Mar 27 17:25:20 mintux: vendors like to make announcements according to their own schedules Mar 27 17:25:39 in open source, it's traditional to say "when it's ready" Mar 27 17:26:22 leakypug: you could reflash and restore from backup ;) Mar 27 17:26:56 you did make a backup before installing something incredibly dangerous, right? Mar 27 17:27:15 LeakyPug, download the flash images and reformat machine Mar 27 17:28:39 ask for sympathy and run... Mar 27 17:28:44 ...great tactic Mar 27 17:29:00 always Mar 27 17:29:07 how is your Sunday timeless_xchat ? Mar 27 17:29:43 good, i'm watching. .. Mar 27 17:30:09 watching what? Mar 27 17:30:33 new picture of N1000 http://www.hardware.sk/materials/user17/nokia-n-1000-1.png :-D in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35529 . I can't wait too Mar 27 17:31:08 for your eyes only Mar 27 17:31:18 actually, having dinner, will return later Mar 27 17:35:00 mintux: plus more than two years old. yawn... Mar 27 17:35:10 yeap Mar 27 17:35:22 but it was funny Mar 27 17:37:35 lcuk: my ideapad went to sleep :) Mar 27 17:38:27 if i don't give it constant attention, that's what i get :) Mar 27 17:41:00 lcuk, on the topic of weight. .. Mar 27 17:41:02 http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/24/news/la-heb-religion-weight-20110324 Mar 27 17:43:04 Jesus ripening His flock? What is wrongwith that? =) Mar 27 17:44:23 heh Mar 27 17:49:35 Sheep that safely overgraze? Mar 27 18:01:55 anyone know whats happened to Rizon? Mar 27 18:05:18 if you have an n900 in the states it may be a good time to get in on a new long term contract before att cuts tmobiles unlimited data plans :) Mar 27 18:05:20 can I figure out my sim card number from my phone itself Mar 27 18:05:25 without turning it off Mar 27 18:06:15 Sazpaimon__: almost certainly, try the settings app, i have no clue how Mar 27 18:06:28 or maybe you can cat /proc/something from a shell :) Mar 27 18:07:25 \o Mar 27 18:08:18 Sazpaimon__: if you wait a few someone who does know how will likely answer Mar 27 18:08:29 i only know that you almost certainly can Mar 27 18:08:45 its okay, I already turned it off to get the number Mar 27 18:08:52 oh :P Mar 27 18:09:43 i screwed up my boot scripts and ended up reflashing my rootfs a couple of weeks ago Mar 27 18:10:13 had to go find the box to get my imei, n900 was crashed and the tiny print inside it was too small to read Mar 27 18:12:18 yeah I know how to get the imei Mar 27 18:12:25 but the simcard number is another story Mar 27 18:13:03 might be a dbus-send command Mar 27 18:13:52 it's only logical that it must be able to get the number to use the card Mar 27 18:14:15 What number? Mar 27 18:14:20 sim card Mar 27 18:14:49 You mean the IMSI? Mar 27 18:15:24 i dunno, Sazpaimon__ was asking but he opened it and read it off his sim card instead Mar 27 18:16:29 SpeedEvil, I thought it was the IMSI, but i looked at the card and the number didn't match what I got Mar 27 18:16:32 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_imsi Mar 27 18:16:36 that's the command I ran Mar 27 18:16:59 i got something completely different than the number printed on the sim card itself Mar 27 18:24:25 Aaaaaaa: http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/26/friends-don%E2%80%99t-let-friends-get-into-finance/ Mar 27 18:25:01 Sazpaimon__: odd Mar 27 18:25:25 maybe the number printed on the card itself is useless? Mar 27 18:26:46 nope, that's the number he needs Mar 27 18:33:21 you want to get your phone number from the sim card? Mar 27 18:35:51 he wanted to get the number printed on the sim card without taking out the battery and looking at the sim card Mar 27 18:36:30 the number in question is the phone number? Mar 27 18:37:19 :( i missed the beginning of spiderman 3 Mar 27 18:37:49 (from memory i saw it in a theater in London) Mar 27 18:39:08 Sicelo: definately not the phone number, they don't print those on the sim card Mar 27 18:39:40 that's what's confusing me about what he really wants :-/ Mar 27 18:39:49 * Sicelo is possibly dumb Mar 27 18:41:01 it's some sort of serial number but not the same as the IMSI evidently Mar 27 18:42:48 it's possible there's just an inventory number on the sim Mar 27 18:44:58 Yeah, could be anything Mar 27 18:49:20 fennec is a real resource pig Mar 27 18:50:31 somone once here said it `eats ram like candy' :/ Mar 27 18:51:21 it makes my n900 seem much slower Mar 27 18:51:29 but i like it's feature set Mar 27 18:51:45 the intelligent zooming is nice Mar 27 18:52:28 yeah if n900 had more ram... Mar 27 18:56:27 do somebody know which package is it?: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/maemo-cflags.mk Mar 27 18:58:02 arcol: did you ask dpkg -S ? Mar 27 18:58:21 dangergrrl, fennec is not picky!! it is just as capable at making other devices slower too! Mar 27 18:58:34 not found Mar 27 18:58:45 :-\ Mar 27 19:00:06 fennec runs nice on my crap full size pc Mar 27 19:00:21 the full ff4 eats it Mar 27 19:01:07 err, I'm confused. Maybe that's because Sazpaimon__ and dangergrrl are confused? The number on SIM is NOT the phonenr, and it's also NOT the IMSI. The IMSI is actually rather useless for anybody, and the IMEI is the *E*quipment number and unrelated to SIM Mar 27 19:01:08 i installed it because i want to port the eff ssl everywhere plugin Mar 27 19:01:56 Sazpaimon__ needed the actual number on the SIM which we discovered is not the IMSI Mar 27 19:02:06 he already opened the n900 and got it though Mar 27 19:02:22 DocScrutinizer: some carriers write phone number on sim Mar 27 19:02:29 i was guessing that you could get it in software somehow Mar 27 19:02:55 imsi is useful if you have Ki as well Mar 27 19:03:10 number on sim is iccid Mar 27 19:03:49 can you get the iccid from dbus or /proc or somewhere? Mar 27 19:03:53 jacekowski: that'd be rather stupid, as the association of IMSI<->phonenumber is done on some server database and actually can change any time and not known when SIM is manufactured Mar 27 19:04:06 doc: it isn't uncommon Mar 27 19:04:09 DocScrutinizer: not always if it's prepaid sim Mar 27 19:04:17 while the number can change Mar 27 19:04:21 DocScrutinizer: you get one number with it and that stays there forever Mar 27 19:04:28 and while it isn't a one to one thing for the lifetime of a number or a sim Mar 27 19:04:45 it doesn't prevent vendors from trying to be "helpful" Mar 27 19:07:21 is n900 has only bash 2.05? while older maemo phones (diablo) has bash 3.2 Mar 27 19:07:26 E7 is such a waste of perfect hardware :((( Mar 27 19:07:33 * RST38h sighs Mar 27 19:07:56 diablo didn't have "phones" Mar 27 19:07:58 it does not support lists :-( Mar 27 19:08:02 damn, fennec made my n900 so slow i couldn't get into the phone app to answer a call Mar 27 19:08:03 lol Mar 27 19:08:04 crashanddie_: whatever Mar 27 19:08:25 danfer: the solution is to quit fennec and never start it again Mar 27 19:09:14 + E7 is guaranteed to put BestBuy store salesmen into stupor Mar 27 19:09:38 as they are helpfully trying to find a case for it =) Mar 27 19:10:57 arcol: check the bash3 package Mar 27 19:11:04 ~pkg bash3 Mar 27 19:11:09 ~useless Mar 27 19:11:10 * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie_ in the darkest corner of the room. :( Mar 27 19:11:17 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bash3/3.2-0maemo10/ Mar 27 19:11:21 arcol: ^ Mar 27 19:14:22 I love it when people tell you to piss off, but then don't thank you when you're being helpful Mar 27 19:16:09 crashanddie: such is life on the net Mar 27 19:16:26 it's a thankless job and someone's gotta suffer for doing it Mar 27 19:17:17 or I can just kick all the jerks Mar 27 19:17:20 but that would include myself Mar 27 19:18:57 don't forget to ban Mar 27 19:18:58 I vote for kickbans! Mar 27 19:19:08 * MohammadAG waits for crashanddie_ to kb himself Mar 27 19:20:46 crashanddie: Every weekend, you should get drunk and commit a channel takeover for a few hours. It is an ancient IRC tradition. Mar 27 19:21:11 aha! Mar 27 19:21:48 yaaarrrrr Mar 27 19:21:51 crashanddie: Once you take over, start spewing racial/ethnic insults, in order to make everyone leave Mar 27 19:22:24 crashanddie: If that does not work, try flooding the channel with links to the images of kitten corpses and other necrozoophilia Mar 27 19:22:45 OK, here come the insults Mar 27 19:22:45 or /mkick Mar 27 19:22:52 don't... try that Mar 27 19:22:53 RST38h: you're about as useful as a Betamax videorecorder Mar 27 19:23:00 WTF?! Mar 27 19:23:04 crashanddie: In a rather rare case of that not working, you can resort to kickbanning everyone, but it is really not as funny Mar 27 19:24:14 can infobot have her voice back? she needs it Mar 27 19:24:59 Infobot is messaging me that they can't talk. Mar 27 19:25:03 poor infobot Mar 27 19:25:20 Mghm...These apps included with Symbian are just plain useless =( Mar 27 19:26:11 you got a symbian phone? Mar 27 19:26:25 Mohammad: Got an E7 via FN program Mar 27 19:26:38 want some tips from a previous symbian owner? Mar 27 19:26:42 sell it :P Mar 27 19:26:49 FN program? Mar 27 19:26:51 Some S60e5 customers will be really happy with updated emulators :) Mar 27 19:27:03 Mohammad: I had an E70 for a long time, actually liked it Mar 27 19:27:24 last S60 phone I enjoyed was the N95 Mar 27 19:27:49 then came the N97, an overhyped underspecced device Mar 27 19:28:06 N97 sucked Mar 27 19:28:15 indeed Mar 27 19:28:20 No Russian "B" letter on the keyboard, for Tentacled's sake... Mar 27 19:28:37 I almost switched to Samsung, then came the N900 :P Mar 27 19:29:30 Hey you still have an N8, don'tyou? Mar 27 19:29:56 it's not mine, but it's in the house :P Mar 27 19:30:10 Nokia Big Screen is actually not that bad Mar 27 19:30:15 can't figure out how to pair the PS3 remote though Mar 27 19:30:40 I played with an n8 today. It's quite nice. Very light Mar 27 19:31:10 same width as the N900 without the screen+slider Mar 27 19:31:37 I hate the non-removable battery, surprised that Nokia added a force-off switch Mar 27 19:32:36 ? Mar 27 19:36:15 Ovi Store is actually bearable on E7 Mar 27 19:36:33 not such an intolerable PoS as on Maemo Mar 27 19:41:12 * RST38h compares "Nokia Pure" font with Microsoft's corporate font Mar 27 19:44:31 Oh, I think I have found where "Nokia Pure" font is coming from: http://www.aeato.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Windows-Phone-OS.jpg Mar 27 19:50:19 RST38h, kinda ironic Mar 27 19:50:53 Mohammad: predictable though Mar 27 19:51:16 the ironic part is that nothing but ruin will come out of this process. Mar 27 19:58:47 Gyjf did you skip that step with osso-wlan ? Mar 27 19:59:11 the step in the read me Mar 27 19:59:51 nope Mar 27 19:59:54 " You can also skip this step, but keep in mind that the above mentioned bug Mar 27 19:59:55 can occur" Mar 27 20:00:13 at which point you reboot Mar 27 20:00:17 that bug has happened to me tho Mar 27 20:00:31 how did you fix it? Mar 27 20:00:34 usually it is enough to unload the drivers Mar 27 20:00:52 there is a script for that in the package iirc Mar 27 20:01:06 i have one script for loading it and one for unloading Mar 27 20:01:35 well can i have them? Mar 27 20:01:40 those are both in there Mar 27 20:02:09 i just have some pathchanges and notifications added Mar 27 20:02:50 you can also ln it Mar 27 20:03:24 i just put a cd /path/ sh load.sh script in my home Mar 27 20:03:30 and same for unload Mar 27 20:03:51 oh ok Mar 27 20:04:07 i meen with osso-wlan Mar 27 20:04:15 mean Mar 27 20:04:54 i skipped that step Mar 27 20:05:09 appart from the bug it works fine Mar 27 20:05:36 cd ../osso-wlan Mar 27 20:05:36 # dpkg -i osso-wlan_3.0.20+0m5-1_armel.deb Mar 27 20:05:43 you didnt do this? Mar 27 20:05:53 nope Mar 27 20:05:58 ok Mar 27 20:06:10 as mentioned that step is optional Mar 27 20:06:44 and so the bug only rarlely occurs? Mar 27 20:07:15 i dont use those drivers very often Mar 27 20:07:42 i just load them when i need it and then unload them when im done Mar 27 20:08:22 do you have ettercap and metasploit? Mar 27 20:08:28 on your n900 Mar 27 20:08:47 i tried ettercap but it didnt work for me Mar 27 20:10:09 dayumn you need to try neopwn Mar 27 20:10:24 i thinkit has everything Mar 27 20:10:34 i dont need everything Mar 27 20:10:57 neopwn is backtrack mobile am i right? Mar 27 20:11:19 i need the aircrack suite and maybe arpspoof Mar 27 20:26:09 http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/01/the-mother-of-all-android-malware-has-arrived-stolen-apps-released-to-the-market-that-root-your-phone-steal-your-data-and-open-backdoor/ Mar 27 20:26:31 drack: it was supposed to be a copy, but there was some drama between the neopwn guys and the backtrack foo Mar 27 20:26:36 * RST38h laughs satanically: these Google folks are apparently going to repeat every mistake in the book Mar 27 20:28:43 if i want aria2 i have to actually build it myself for fremantle? i found a .deb but it's for diablo and wants libssl0.9.7 Mar 27 20:29:52 (yes i tried to install it anyhow, figured it was command line so would probably still work) Mar 27 21:21:42 Ah, the pleasure of flying in the US... Mar 27 21:21:44 Hurp, only got 3.2G free on my N900 :/ Mar 27 21:26:29 ? Mar 27 21:26:39 rst: visual strip searches? Mar 27 21:27:16 timeless: after reading through the list of TSA policy changes, I am wondering if they go with anal probes nowadays Mar 27 21:27:41 considering that's where they hide all the good drugs Mar 27 21:27:43 i don't see why not Mar 27 21:28:05 http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2011/03/03/khmer-arrested-with-500-amphetamines-hidden-in-anus/ Mar 27 21:28:17 ...and just 10 years ago I could come to IAD 40 minutes before the flight, walk in, and walk out at Logan in 50 minutes Mar 27 21:28:27 or 1:50, no longer remember Mar 27 21:29:06 timeless: not surprising, it is a standard hiding place, in ceertain social circles. Mar 27 21:29:20 it's a 90min flight atm Mar 27 21:29:28 yea, 50min is NYC Mar 27 21:29:51 did you fly to JFK or? Mar 27 21:30:06 No, I took an Aeroflot flight directly to IAD Mar 27 21:30:25 you mentioned 50min is NYC Mar 27 21:30:27 No longer flying through JFK or ATL, too risky to spend a night there Mar 27 21:30:33 was that IAD=>JFK ? Mar 27 21:30:47 timeless: IAD->BOS, but I flew to/from JFK before Mar 27 21:30:49 it's a 70min flight Mar 27 21:31:34 also flew BWI->JFK and BWI->BOS (much less trouble than IAD, too) Mar 27 21:31:53 yeah, my family prefers BWI Mar 27 21:32:08 i like IAD because i tend to take Metro(WMATA) Mar 27 21:32:24 Can't take metro directly to IAD (unlike Reagan/National) Mar 27 21:32:34 err sorry yeah not IAD Mar 27 21:32:36 * timeless_w7ip sighs Mar 27 21:32:41 National Mar 27 21:32:43 4.7G now Mar 27 21:32:50 Better than the 200M I had yesterday .. Mar 27 21:32:59 DCA Mar 27 21:33:13 Yea, I flew from/to National through Atlanta to Moscow, until Delta took a habit of cancelling ATL->DCA flights Mar 27 21:33:24 heh Mar 27 21:33:59 * timeless_w7ip used to remember more airport codes Mar 27 21:34:17 ATL has also got epic security lines Mar 27 21:34:43 but anyway, BWI is reachable via AMTRAK to 2 metro stations iirc Mar 27 21:34:50 but it's pretty inconvenient Mar 27 21:34:57 I can drive to the freaking BWI in 20 minutes, who needs Amtrak... Mar 27 21:35:02 so you'd just use it if you have a car Mar 27 21:35:07 * timeless_w7ip doesn't have a car Mar 27 21:35:27 Not a good idea in this area... Mar 27 21:35:45 metro + DCA works nicely Mar 27 21:35:48 Given than most streets are missing sidewalks even Mar 27 21:35:59 and someday they'll fix IAD Mar 27 21:36:13 yea, but only if you live in the DC or vicinity (Silver Spring, College Park, etc) Mar 27 21:36:43 * timeless_w7ip did Mar 27 21:36:58 for college park though you could use amtrak to bwi Mar 27 21:37:00 IAD is one of two (I think) US airports owned and managed by the US government. I hope it answers your question about "fixing" IAD :) Mar 27 21:37:20 fix in this context is finish extending the metro line to it Mar 27 21:37:59 Ah, that... Prolly not, given the distance and the costs. But maybe they will lay some railway there... Mar 27 21:38:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_%28Washington_Metro%29 Mar 27 21:38:33 Interesting how Russians did manage to lay rails to all three of MOW airports, costs nonwithstanding Mar 27 21:38:38 it's scheduled for 2016 Mar 27 21:39:04 Ah,they want to extend orange/blue lines... Mar 27 21:39:20 Clever, although the result will probably be as messy as NYC subway :) Mar 27 21:40:22 not a chance Mar 27 21:40:38 Orange/Blue thing already leads to some messy train schedules Mar 27 21:40:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WMATA_Thin_Silver_Line_Map.jpg Mar 27 21:40:52 Adding Silver will make it funnier. Mar 27 21:41:33 http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm Mar 27 21:42:19 Yes, DC still has a long way to go! Mar 27 21:42:29 yeah, and not really enough fun places to go to Mar 27 21:42:35 so sorry, not going to happen Mar 27 21:42:53 i mean, there's still hope for a purple line Mar 27 21:43:09 but even that won't give wmata enough to look anything like the mess that is nyc Mar 27 21:43:51 WMATA network has been architected. NYC one grew from several independent operators merging and swallowing each other. Mar 27 21:44:33 But I am sure that by encouraging drug use within WMATA offices, we can reach the target relatively quickly. Mar 27 21:44:49 IAD is dulles? Mar 27 21:44:57 yes Mar 27 21:45:10 i flew from there once to houston Mar 27 21:45:31 lived in central va, was way cheaper than richmond and about the same drive Mar 27 21:46:04 Well, I normally fly to Moscow and back, so it is either IAD or DCA for me. Mar 27 21:46:25 yeah i generally confuse IAD w/ DCA Mar 27 21:46:43 because i've flown in/out via IAD much more than DCA and forget DCA's letters :( Mar 27 21:46:49 (i've rarely used BWI) Mar 27 21:47:20 BWI is much better for local flights: has got cheaper airlines, and is easier to access in general Mar 27 21:47:24 rst: sadly WMATA has really painful financial constraints Mar 27 21:47:38 which means drugs won't help make the map grow Mar 27 21:47:41 i've mostly flown in/out from DIA more than anywhere else Mar 27 21:47:57 you generally have to drug people in two states, one district and both houses of congress :) Mar 27 21:48:00 about the cheapest place in us to fly to/from; thank you frontier air Mar 27 21:48:12 is frontier still around? Mar 27 21:48:19 AFAIK yes Mar 27 21:48:21 * timeless_w7ip has lost track of consolidation in the states Mar 27 21:48:32 yes, and all frontier flights except two to mexico start or end in denver Mar 27 21:48:35 Been on the travelocity list, I think Mar 27 21:48:56 timeless: WMATA is a bunch of wasteful bureaucrats Mar 27 21:49:19 timeless: Same as goddamn AMTRAK (which charges more for tickets than airlines) Mar 27 21:49:21 hey, wmata works Mar 27 21:49:31 and amtrak does too Mar 27 21:49:33 They all work, the question is, at what cost Mar 27 21:49:46 * timeless_w7ip shrugs Mar 27 21:50:04 but you don't have to let wierdos see your junk to ride amtrak Mar 27 21:50:27 dangergrrl: AFAIK, this is not for long, TSA started operating at train stations recently Mar 27 21:51:03 oh wonderful Mar 27 21:51:08 glad i have a motorcycle Mar 27 21:51:21 dangergrrl: Wait for roadblocks then :) Mar 27 21:51:28 was to bos via amtrak is 158$ Mar 27 21:51:35 One way. Mar 27 21:51:52 BWI<->BOS via Airtran is $248. Mar 27 21:52:46 Also look for possible requirement to transfer at NYC, lots of potential adventure there Mar 27 21:52:53 amtrak has a station in taylor though which is way closer than austin bergstrom from here Mar 27 21:55:05 Oh, heh, just found my Windows 7 ultimate iso Mar 27 21:55:19 I can make that VM I've been meaning to do for ages .. Mar 27 21:57:23 Mohammad-, MohammadAG, ping Mar 27 21:57:48 amtrak here to denver april 12 one way $240; your choice of 4 airlines round trip 14/16 april $170 Mar 27 21:58:24 Yes, but on Amtrak you have electricity and no one sometimes yer nuts. Mar 27 21:58:36 if TSA starts doing security for amtrak why would anyone take them over an airplane? Mar 27 21:58:38 Actually, having power is a big plus, yes Mar 27 21:58:45 power is a plus Mar 27 21:58:57 TSA tried to do Amtrak security. Mar 27 21:59:00 dangegrrl: nobody does as they are, if I understand things correctly Mar 27 21:59:01 Amtrak kicked them out. Mar 27 21:59:07 my n900 has enough battery to fly for 2 hours though Mar 27 21:59:09 derf: ORLY? Nice Mar 27 21:59:31 danger: 8 hours of playing Othello and reading in FBReader here. Mar 27 21:59:33 java on n900, does that work? Mar 27 21:59:45 i heard there was a big push for a nationwide maglev train network in the usa Mar 27 21:59:47 gytf: you can install it from a repo Mar 27 21:59:47 RST38h: http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/188504/2059127.aspx Mar 27 21:59:57 Mainly got let down by FBreader, that Rob1n guy broke something in my careful power manage,ment adjustments ;) Mar 27 22:00:27 at some incredible cost of course Mar 27 22:00:35 and noone takes trains as it is Mar 27 22:00:49 I'm not aware of any push for nationwide maglev. Mar 27 22:00:50 derf: they will be back, sadly Mar 27 22:00:55 actually flying is on a par for price with greyhound Mar 27 22:01:04 cheaper for roundtrip Mar 27 22:01:06 So I take umbrage with "big", at least. Mar 27 22:01:21 RST38h: Of course. But every victory counts. Mar 27 22:01:32 anyhow, i want aria2 Mar 27 22:02:07 do i have to install the sdk and build it for fremantle or could i just install the libssl it wants and use the diablo bin? Mar 27 22:02:11 it's a console app Mar 27 22:02:33 Anyway, I don't think I will ever fly from DC to NY again. Mar 27 22:02:38 diablo bin might be ok, try Mar 27 22:03:01 Having done both, Amtrak is so much better it's no comparison. Mar 27 22:03:05 it requires an old libssl but i'm guessing since it's a console app it should work Mar 27 22:03:31 i don't plan on flying again untill i'm going someplace i can't ride on my motorcycle Mar 27 22:03:31 derf: yea, although it is more of an exception (given short distance and the overhead of transferring to IAD / from JFK) Mar 27 22:03:46 I was also really happy I was on Amtrak when we got hit with the blizzard the day after Christmas. Mar 27 22:04:01 Not a single plane was flying anywhere. Mar 27 22:04:14 But my train _caught_on_fire_ and we still made it there. Mar 27 22:04:15 i bet amtrak would be sweet for trips from here to houston or dallas actually Mar 27 22:04:26 (ice in the electrical box) Mar 27 22:04:35 derf: Cooool =) Mar 27 22:04:56 Halfway up I was like, "Why does it smell like burning insulation? My laptop still seems to be working..." Mar 27 22:05:01 considering amtrak picks up way closer than the airport from here Mar 27 22:05:16 We didn't stop until we got to Penn Station (I was going on to CT). Mar 27 22:05:27 derf, yeah, expensive, though. Mar 27 22:05:38 GAN900: That trip was still cheaper than flying. Mar 27 22:05:41 And worth every penny. Mar 27 22:05:56 Because, you know, I actually got where I was trying to go. Mar 27 22:05:57 GAN: The DC->NYC tickets are relatively cheap Mar 27 22:06:15 Which I'm pretty sure would not have happened with any other mode of transportation. Mar 27 22:06:33 Well, maybe Greyhound would've been stupid enough to try. Mar 27 22:06:44 But then I'd be dead like all those poor people in New York. Mar 27 22:06:56 i don't like busses Mar 27 22:07:07 derf: You would get to watch the carnage at I95 though Mar 27 22:07:11 if i have a choice between rail and bus i'll go for rail Mar 27 22:07:19 RST38h: This is not a plus in my book. Mar 27 22:07:31 derf: crashed cars, abandoned cars, ambulances, you know,,, Mar 27 22:07:33 derf, not where I'm flying. Mar 27 22:07:34 derf: i remember being delayed somewhere near NY because of a train problem like that Mar 27 22:08:05 RST38h, yeah, good point. Mar 27 22:08:06 timeless_w7ip: There was an hour delay while they swapped out our car in Penn Station. Mar 27 22:08:06 actually, i think i was @NY Penn and the train inbound from BOS(?) was delayed Mar 27 22:08:09 derf: Which reminds me that there is a new episode of Fringe to watch. Mar 27 22:08:23 But, you know, given 20+ inches of snow, I'm willing to put up with that. Mar 27 22:08:24 timeless: that is normal Mar 27 22:08:33 rst38h why does it not surprise me that you watch fringe Mar 27 22:08:34 but once we boarded, people were friendly, i borrowed a neighbors cell phone and made a call Mar 27 22:08:40 ... you can't do that on an airplane :) Mar 27 22:08:43 lcuk: Yes, really... Mar 27 22:08:51 heh Mar 27 22:09:02 GAN900: I agree. Amtrak really only works in the WAS<->BOS corridor. Mar 27 22:09:25 derf: i've used Amtrak to go from WAS to Cleveland or thereabouts Mar 27 22:09:36 it's not bad as a scenic route if you don't drive Mar 27 22:09:42 but it definitely isn't a commuter thing Mar 27 22:09:45 Hmm, that might not be terrible, either. Mar 27 22:09:55 Except for the fact that you're going to Cleveland. Mar 27 22:09:58 Would probably be too expensive though Mar 27 22:10:03 there's also a line that'll get you from Santa Barbara down to LA Mar 27 22:10:14 which is also not bad, again as a scenic line, not for commuting Mar 27 22:10:22 Except then you're in LA. Mar 27 22:10:24 there's also a path that goes clear across .. Mar 27 22:10:31 derf: you can get off early (or late) :) Mar 27 22:10:32 but yeah... Mar 27 22:10:54 i didn't get off @LA, iirc i got off a bit after Mar 27 22:11:07 But yes, I took the line that goes from NY to Ohio somewhere, and actually up into Canadia I think. Mar 27 22:11:16 But I got off in Manassas. Mar 27 22:11:35 i'm actually considering using lines around western mass Mar 27 22:11:42 a cousin's getting married somewhere up there Mar 27 22:12:19 but yeah, generally speaking the only really working corridor is NE Mar 27 22:12:37 ... when you go south of DC they switch to diezel :) Mar 27 22:13:00 s/z/s/ Mar 27 22:13:00 timeless_w7ip meant: ... when you go south of DC they switch to diesel :) Mar 27 22:13:21 derf: Is Canadia that large US state between us and Alaska? =) Mar 27 22:13:40 http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=WSArticlePage&pagename=WhistleStop%2FWSArticlePage%2FBlank_Template&cid=1153323727125 Mar 27 22:14:01 RST38h: only to americans Mar 27 22:14:08 rst: aww, give them credit, it's more like 6 states, we just got lazy and numbered it as 1 :) Mar 27 22:15:07 (note they have a couple of others, but those aren't really between the lower 48 and Alaska) Mar 27 22:15:43 doc|home, we don't want it. :P Mar 27 22:17:19 GAN900: great, so you'll keep your navy out of canadian waters then? :P Mar 27 22:18:03 Will use the airforce, yes. Mar 27 22:18:34 ah yes, the stereotypical thing of your arse not knowing what your elbow is doing. "We don't want it" "we want it" Mar 27 22:18:45 doc|home, not up to me, but if it were, I'd be more than happy. Mar 27 22:18:58 GAN900: you did say "we" :) Mar 27 22:19:04 doc <=== is sure to deliver a decent performance on all flames canadian =) Mar 27 22:19:15 RST38h: I'm not even canadian :P Mar 27 22:19:38 doc|home, yes, the US population. Which is generally not all that related to the US government these days. ;) Mar 27 22:19:42 RST38h: it's more the US actions in any region when you think about it... Mar 27 22:19:46 GAN900: indeed Mar 27 22:20:03 GAN900: that's hardly a US thing though :) Mar 27 22:20:18 doc: US is also delivering lots of lulz lately Mar 27 22:20:34 oh the rest of us have been laughing for a long time :) Mar 27 22:21:11 though these days it's more at the stage where you shake your head as thing never change :/ Mar 27 22:23:21 http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/mysql-com-database-compromised-sql-injection.html Mar 27 22:23:50 good morning Mar 27 22:24:50 as long as you don't care about mysql ::) Mar 27 22:26:10 http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056426&cid=35632748 Mar 27 22:27:21 http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056426&cid=35632718 <- did they mean 'fire'? :( Mar 27 22:29:39 with which sdk can you develop Qt apps on windows for n900? Mar 27 22:29:46 there are three different sdks Mar 27 22:29:49 nokia sdk Mar 27 22:29:50 qt sdk Mar 27 22:29:52 maemo sdk Mar 27 22:29:52 :S Mar 27 22:30:30 hopefully any? Mar 27 22:30:53 generally speaking you'd probably want the newest SDK Mar 27 22:31:02 as long as it claims to support the target device Mar 27 22:31:46 afaik intel have an sdk too Mar 27 22:40:20 Dear Tentacled One, please, visit Mr Elop in person and make him look away while you are devou^H^H^Hremaining Maemo Devices engineers continue making Maemo/Meego devices for us all. Mar 27 22:46:13 Seconded. Mar 27 22:46:47 thirded Mar 27 22:48:13 In some ways the more interesting way would be to make it possible to buy 'blank' nokia phones, with docs. Mar 27 22:48:53 no but firstboot choice would be awesome :) Mar 27 22:49:29 "Windows/Symbian/Maemo/Meego/Android/*" (yes I think we should have choice of all) Mar 27 22:51:19 yes, then we won't have to worry about nokia phasing out our OSes :P Mar 27 22:52:50 lcuk: AmigaOS! Mar 27 22:53:06 * RST38h will be happy with a Maemo/Meego-only device Mar 27 22:53:30 RST38h: port Maemo to Hurd! Mar 27 22:53:42 If someone wants to have an Android distro, just to show those HTCs and Motorolas, let them Mar 27 22:54:13 And iOS too! Mar 27 22:54:49 * SpeedEvil explodes. Mar 27 22:54:52 http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/03/27/2058246/MySqlcom-Hacked-With-Sql-Injection Mar 27 22:56:40 RST38h, :D:D:D Mar 27 22:56:51 * lcuk reproduces Workbench 1.3 screen Mar 27 22:57:03 I bet the vibration thingy could emulate the tick tick tick sound too Mar 27 23:03:15 at first i got 0.5 fps and i was like :( Mar 27 23:03:17 but then i tweaked and tweaked Mar 27 23:03:18 and now i got ~12-15 fps and i'm all :) Mar 27 23:04:04 what are you talking about? Mar 27 23:04:12 i bet uae is slow on n900 Mar 27 23:12:39 uae is kindaok on n900 Mar 27 23:12:50 but you really want to use the simplified version (uae4all) Mar 27 23:16:27 i played with uae a bit, the aros people donate well for bounty projects Mar 27 23:17:07 is aros still alive? Mar 27 23:17:40 Pillum: my new game client... now getting FIFTY FIVE FPS Mar 27 23:18:26 pupnik_: game client? on N900? and which game? Mar 27 23:19:11 yes and they still pay people to code Mar 27 23:20:51 AROS on n900 would be cute actually but enough of the hardware is less than documented that it would be a waste of time i fear Mar 27 23:21:43 what tit would do it would do fast though :) Mar 27 23:22:01 it's designed for lower hardware requirements Mar 27 23:22:26 does it still have speak: ? =) Mar 27 23:23:01 i think so, i haven't booted that VM in ages Mar 27 23:23:19 i have a virtualbox aros vm installed on win7 Mar 27 23:24:01 was looking for spare time projects that i might get paid something for Mar 27 23:25:14 game client port / rework Pillum - daimonin Mar 27 23:25:42 nice Mar 27 23:25:44 wish you luck Mar 27 23:25:50 http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/29 $517 for porting aros to EEEpc Mar 27 23:26:00 that's a free eeepc Mar 27 23:26:07 and some extra change Mar 27 23:26:59 hey NOKIA! Mar 27 23:27:04 for your NEXT DEVICE Mar 27 23:27:07 an ESCAPE KEY Mar 27 23:27:33 Better, RED EJECT-ALL-CARDS KEY! Mar 27 23:27:39 no Mar 27 23:27:43 an ESCAPE KEY Mar 27 23:28:03 because not putting one on the n900 was god damn annoying Mar 27 23:28:04 Amazing, but Android has an ESCAPE key! Mar 27 23:28:05 hey pupnik_ have you seen the intel tablet/slate thing Mar 27 23:28:10 nop Mar 27 23:28:19 55 fps 55 fps 55 fps Mar 27 23:28:19 with a light sensor thing used as back butotn Mar 27 23:28:33 hey not a bad idea Mar 27 23:28:37 s/butotn/button/ Mar 27 23:28:38 lcuk meant: with a light sensor thing used as back button Mar 27 23:28:40 what game are you doing, anyway? Mar 27 23:28:46 not a bad idea if it works all the time Mar 27 23:28:46 vi is in fact annoying with no escape key Mar 27 23:28:56 a client for daimonin Mar 27 23:29:01 don't use vi, use nano Mar 27 23:29:02 Multiplayer Online RPG Mar 27 23:29:04 but from the youtube videos I have seen it is somewhat odd Mar 27 23:29:10 ah Mar 27 23:29:13 i use emacs and if no emacs i use vi Mar 27 23:29:25 because every posix system has vi Mar 27 23:30:03 just use nano, really Mar 27 23:31:33 rather than suffer all this weird geeky shit =) Mar 27 23:32:29 been using emacs and vi for 25 years, i would have to read instructions for nano Mar 27 23:33:18 i also write C code for things that perl might well do better if only i could write perl code without a manual open Mar 27 23:33:24 no you would not,that is the beaurty of nano Mar 27 23:33:54 It is absolutely, completely dumb. The few key shortcuts it uses, it shows at the bottom Mar 27 23:34:08 C has the advantage for me that so long as i do no gui i need no manual Mar 27 23:34:17 RST38h, :) Mar 27 23:34:42 RST38h, do you still use apps which require Function key cards? Mar 27 23:34:53 will it save and exit if i hit escZZ? Mar 27 23:34:57 * RST38h does perl without manuals, which probably means he is insane Mar 27 23:35:07 :) Mar 27 23:35:10 what are function key cards? Mar 27 23:35:10 danger: it will save on Ctrl-X / yes Mar 27 23:35:26 ctrl-x i might hit on accident Mar 27 23:35:33 danger: It will ASK. Mar 27 23:35:46 danger: It knows that the users arestupid and asks. Mar 27 23:36:02 C-x is a prefix key :P Mar 27 23:36:11 danger: It is eXit to Nano Mar 27 23:36:21 No damn prefixes. Mar 27 23:36:33 why have I got "C-a-K-y" Mar 27 23:36:37 And the best thing is, the arrow buttons work straight out of the box =) Mar 27 23:36:44 * lcuk believes it is key shortcut for screen or something Mar 27 23:36:48 but IDK what it does Mar 27 23:37:07 C-a is default prefix for screen Mar 27 23:37:19 lcuk: Kill a screen window Mar 27 23:37:36 thanks \o Mar 27 23:37:37 Dunno why you have -y there, as it will kill the current window Mar 27 23:37:46 * lcuk does not know these keyboard incantations Mar 27 23:38:04 Well, screen ones you usually end up knowing by heart Mar 27 23:38:11 i change it, C-a means beginning of line to me and bash Mar 27 23:39:31 Oh, yeah: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/eldritch-application Mar 27 23:47:43 i just now realized that two lead ircd developers left their projects to work on maemo Mar 27 23:48:05 im not sure why that's interesting to me,but it is Mar 28 00:00:50 http://qikr.co/9gnwn 55 FPS! :D :D :D 55 FPS! Mar 28 00:01:58 your poor poor keys Mar 28 00:02:15 what have you done to them Mar 28 00:02:26 used em a lot :/ Mar 28 00:02:43 heh i have something like that too... Mar 28 00:03:02 * pupnik_ frolics Mar 28 00:03:06 hi nox- ! Mar 28 00:03:14 the coating comes off too easily id say Mar 28 00:03:16 moin pupnik_ Mar 28 00:03:34 what do you type with your fingernails or something? Mar 28 00:03:39 no Mar 28 00:04:28 i `just' ssh not too rarely, etc Mar 28 00:05:51 lots of ssh, irc Mar 28 00:06:09 screen is in good condition :) Mar 28 00:13:40 same here Mar 28 00:14:15 well the screen, i usually dont irc from n900 Mar 28 00:14:38 hey so Mar 28 00:14:41 tmo users Mar 28 00:15:16 i just got service with them again, checked my GRPS connection, and it's using the epc.tmobile.com pn Mar 28 00:15:21 *apn Mar 28 00:15:31 i remember it used to be something like internet.voicestream Mar 28 00:15:40 is there a difference between the two now? Mar 28 00:23:22 pupnik: Forget fps, your main problem will be controls Mar 28 00:23:40 pupnik: The thing is gonna be so tiny on the N900's screen... Mar 28 00:24:46 yes i've redone most of the widgets Mar 28 00:25:00 bigger font etc Mar 28 00:26:06 http://i.imgur.com/vBxkQ.png there's the original client RST38h Mar 28 00:26:20 actualy not original Mar 28 00:26:49 http://i.imgur.com/2UECq.png there's the first 800x480 mod i did Mar 28 00:27:07 OMFG Mar 28 00:27:25 * RST38h plugged E7 into Win7. Fun started happening. Mar 28 00:29:27 "Do you want to convert XXXXX.avi before copying it to the device?" Mar 28 00:29:35 Mar 28 00:30:43 No-just-fucking-give-me-a-normal-mass-storage-device-you-creepy-piece-of-bloatware! Mar 28 00:31:37 Cannot cancel transfer, I guess they have not tested this use case =) Mar 28 00:32:13 anyone else get sefaults with nano when searching? Mar 28 00:32:19 it happens to me every time Mar 28 00:33:02 yes. install the newest version from the repos. Mar 28 00:33:14 i just installed it today Mar 28 00:33:42 a moment Mar 28 00:34:18 2.0.7-4-maemo5 Mar 28 00:34:36 RST38h: Is that 'pc suite' or whatever it is? Mar 28 00:34:39 ok, you want to install nano-opt instead Mar 28 00:34:46 this will work Mar 28 00:34:47 oh Mar 28 00:35:18 SpeedEvil: Apparently, it is some new,extra insidious version of Ovi Suite that masquerides as a USB driver + Explorer extension Mar 28 00:35:21 why is there a broken version taking up the regular name Mar 28 00:35:29 what will entertain me for 40 minutes on the n900 while i sit in the bathroom in pain with bleach in my hair Mar 28 00:35:41 RST38h: the qeuestion isn't do you want to convert xxx.avi, but are you a regular windows user with no idea? Mar 28 00:35:49 dangergrrl: Try a video. Mar 28 00:36:05 i have lain on it Mar 28 00:36:17 but i can't read the subs unless i plug it to a tv Mar 28 00:36:22 :) Mar 28 00:36:47 dangergrrl: Use the moment to learn some moonspeak then! =) Mar 28 00:37:11 merlin: A regular windows user will react to this imperious crap with "what?" Mar 28 00:37:24 i'm riding my motorcycle to colorado next week and don't want my friends to see my 7" of black/white roots Mar 28 00:37:27 RST38h: nasty. Mar 28 00:38:07 so i'm bleaching it blonde and putting pink in, at least i'm not a blue haired old lady; just pink! :) Mar 28 00:38:08 * RST38h does not get why girls willingly destroy their hair like that Mar 28 00:38:47 pink hair looks awesome with a pink motorcycle helmet :) Mar 28 00:39:40 Does your ride also have pink tyres? Mar 28 00:42:10 naah Mar 28 00:42:18 blue gold wing Mar 28 00:42:45 but it's huge and i'm tiny Mar 28 00:42:49 i look funny on it Mar 28 00:43:24 * RST38h tries playing an HD video on the E7. Gets awed, weeps, prays to the Tentacled One. Mar 28 00:44:29 heh Mar 28 00:44:36 I have a vespa :) Mar 28 00:44:42 i let it convert my lain vids even though i thought they would already play Mar 28 00:44:45 does it look good RST38h ? Mar 28 00:44:51 4" LED display, oh god, god... Mar 28 00:45:02 but I look good on vespa, so it doesn't matter :) Mar 28 00:45:07 pupnik: Looks freaking gorgeous, and no,it does not skip Mar 28 00:45:07 and it takes me to places Mar 28 00:45:13 nice :D Mar 28 00:45:32 so the symbian media folks did a good job eh :D Mar 28 00:45:50 pupnik: Everyone has done a good job on this device. Mar 28 00:45:58 i wouldn't mind having a CanAm Spyder though some bikers poopoo them Mar 28 00:46:04 pupnik: The best they could do, given the OS Mar 28 00:46:35 RST38h: i am under the impression that the latest symbian devices are underrated Mar 28 00:47:02 they really put it together well, like how a mercedes used to be put together better than an average car Mar 28 00:47:31 pupnik: Well, people are not forgiving of details nowadays Mar 28 00:47:34 dangergrrl: generally I don't listen to bikers :) Mar 28 00:47:47 most bikers don't like vespas :) Mar 28 00:47:53 pupnik: they have got iPhones or even Androids that work near perfectly for a typical user task set Mar 28 00:48:19 pupnik: Thse N8s and E7s are very nice but they have got thorns sticking all over the place Mar 28 00:48:35 but I've driven my Vespa in 16 countries Mar 28 00:48:43 basically through europe Mar 28 00:49:06 pupnik: that (and the bad stigma) is what makes people discount them as viable devices AFAIK Mar 28 00:49:26 Jartza: oh cool :) Mar 28 00:49:28 i'm sure you're right Mar 28 00:49:36 http://eurovespa.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/uneventful-beginning/ Mar 28 00:49:41 that's where the blog starts :) Mar 28 00:49:54 i've had some bikers call my wing a couch with wheels too or a SUV that's missing 2 wheels Mar 28 00:50:05 pupnik: but try finding an Android device that will play Xvids without hiccupping ;) Mar 28 00:51:09 6 weeks, 9700km, 16 countries Mar 28 00:51:18 best trip I've ever done Mar 28 00:51:59 That's over a radian! Mar 28 00:52:25 sounds fun! i plan on riding around the usa a lot this summer myself Mar 28 00:54:09 you mean sitting on a sofa around the usa :) Mar 28 01:05:12 so, it's comfortable, i'll be going 10000 miles in a day some days i need comfort Mar 28 01:05:23 ./10 Mar 28 01:05:25 is there a way to browse history of all visited urls in microb? Mar 28 01:05:36 1000 not 10000 Mar 28 01:07:33 1000 is a lot of miles. Mar 28 01:07:40 Insane amount of hours in the saddle. Mar 28 01:14:47 if someone wants to ride a hardtail 1000 miles in a day they will have my sympathy :) Mar 28 01:22:02 pigeon: microb's history is sqlite iirc Mar 28 01:22:09 so you could browse it by dumping it Mar 28 01:24:03 speedevil: pc suite is basically Mar 28 01:24:09 it should include MTP Mar 28 01:24:16 which probably does offer encoding stuff Mar 28 01:25:13 ah Mar 28 01:25:23 pupnik: the ui on s^3 is awful Mar 28 01:37:15 timeless_w7ip: i only used it a few minutes and it passed the shallow test Mar 28 01:39:29 is there a way to open msn in the default messenger? Mar 28 02:39:01 what should i use for checking current power usage? Wish to see why my battery drains so much. Mar 28 02:39:19 powertop? Mar 28 02:39:31 Is that in normal repository? Mar 28 02:39:47 theres also a simple script here: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Mar 28 02:39:52 i think so... Mar 28 02:40:19 just installed the new cssu :) Mar 28 02:40:30 the script shows you the mA, powertop may help you find out what eats it Mar 28 02:41:02 used powertop for laptop use before Mar 28 02:41:48 :) Mar 28 02:42:25 undervolting worth it? Mar 28 02:43:33 i dont even know if that works... Mar 28 02:44:18 oh cool powertop is in repository :) Thanks Mar 28 02:44:40 i cant seem to have the phone last longer than like 6 hours Mar 28 02:44:48 having to carry a spare battery Mar 28 02:45:17 if you really use it... Mar 28 02:45:32 not at all Mar 28 02:45:35 oh Mar 28 02:45:47 i am in 3g though, forced to cause only 3g network exists Mar 28 02:45:54 is there a way I can remotely sync thunderbird on my desktop to my n900? Mar 28 02:45:59 which might be responsible for it Mar 28 02:46:23 my thunderbird is set up to automatically delete mail from the server once it downloads them Mar 28 02:46:39 hm im on 3g too but if wifi / bt / etc are off it lasts more like two days or so if not in use Mar 28 02:46:53 so if I can sync my N900 up with it while I'm on the go,it'd be one less thing to RDP into mydesktop for Mar 28 02:47:01 i have unlimited 3g data.. so i never on wifi Mar 28 02:47:01 dont use bt so that is off Mar 28 02:47:02 if i use it tho... :) Mar 28 02:47:26 C0 - frequency 1150mhz? Mar 28 02:47:35 powerkernel? Mar 28 02:47:48 not at all Mar 28 02:48:03 i was told not to overclock the n900 Mar 28 02:48:11 wiat some like "Kernel for power users" i think i did? Mar 28 02:48:17 does that mean my phone is overclocked this whole time? Mar 28 02:48:26 yeah i dont either but powertop still shows that freq, i guess theres a bug... Mar 28 02:48:50 it shows nan% so it probably never at that Mar 28 02:48:58 ah Mar 28 02:49:00 just showing thats the max it can goto Mar 28 02:49:05 right Mar 28 02:50:29 whats smartreflex? Mar 28 02:51:08 The SmartReflex power saving feature of the OMAP processor is disabled by default on the n900. To enable it: Mar 28 02:52:26 and, just to be a broken record, is disabled for a reason Mar 28 02:55:42 500mhz is nokia's recommendation clock rate? .. when the omap is a 600mhz cpu? Mar 28 02:56:47 did anybody ever come up with a standard for right mouse click with stylus? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 28 02:59:57 2011