**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 28 02:59:57 2011 Mar 28 03:01:00 zakkkkm: it'll sit at 250MHz most of the time, and jump to 600MHz under load Mar 28 03:02:09 you use a hosts file for adblocking ? Mar 28 03:03:17 some do Mar 28 03:03:46 there's an older port of adblock for microB, and there's a css-based adblock as well Mar 28 03:05:09 i have a ziproxy+privoxy+squid hosted on a vps.. maybe its worth it to just set that as proxy Mar 28 03:10:13 i2c omap shows over 3200 activity in powertop Mar 28 03:10:50 that could explain it? :p Mar 28 03:11:39 normal Mar 28 03:11:47 it is? Mar 28 03:11:54 oh and there als was this: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=8d3f3e008abce81c9962d00f0db1dad2&t=35907 Mar 28 03:11:57 no applications are running Mar 28 03:12:41 nox-, thanks. All of those are already done Mar 28 03:13:12 s/als/also/ too Mar 28 03:13:24 moin moin gentlemen Mar 28 03:26:01 heh just tried 900mhz overclock for a minute. so fast Mar 28 03:29:10 hm would overclocking be safe if the device had a fan? :) (just curious...) Mar 28 03:30:22 oh, i use 3g when i'm moving around but when i'm someplace with wifi and will be there a while i use wifi Mar 28 03:32:12 nox-: no, the problem isn't thermal (well can be) but electrical Mar 28 03:32:21 ah Mar 28 03:33:14 would you guys consider a 900mhz overclock safe? :) Mar 28 03:33:18 im liking this new speed Mar 28 03:33:38 no, but if you have problems you're on your own :p Mar 28 03:35:08 electrical problem eh? Could that be worked out? :P Mar 28 03:35:30 sure, that's why there are higher clocked OMAP3 processors Mar 28 03:35:48 but it has to be fixed in the silicon and at manufacturing Mar 28 03:35:49 fastest omap3 is 720MHz Mar 28 03:36:22 and it's not operating at that speed for long period of time Mar 28 03:36:40 i was thinking even if i do have say 900mhz, its not always going to be at 900mhz Mar 28 03:36:49 only at high cpu points Mar 28 03:37:03 it still makes it wear faster Mar 28 03:37:14 yeah, i bought this used too Mar 28 03:37:25 there was couple people that tried that for longer period of time Mar 28 03:37:42 and well, it's not covered by warranty Mar 28 03:37:55 it crashed on them? Mar 28 03:38:32 usually it glitches out first Mar 28 03:38:43 like their ext3 partition becoming corrupt Mar 28 03:38:46 but once it does there is no coming back Mar 28 03:39:04 ah Mar 28 03:39:07 ill stay stock :) Mar 28 03:39:30 thanks Mar 28 03:39:59 still weird though, i cant find out whats causing it to wake so much .. i tried batterygraph but it only showing graphs Mar 28 03:40:06 conky is no help Mar 28 03:40:28 skype Mar 28 03:40:54 skype? Mar 28 03:40:57 Its off. Mar 28 04:03:16 awesome Mar 28 04:03:34 the diablo aria2 .deb works fine for me :) Mar 28 04:17:38 Did some statistics.. got about 20-40mah with screen off + idle running powermeter script. Get about 125-150 with screen on 2 brightness and idle .. and about 250-300mah in usage with same brightness Mar 28 04:17:53 does anyone else think the method of selecting time in the maemo alarm is... Mar 28 04:17:54 um... Mar 28 04:17:56 stupid? Mar 28 04:18:11 the slider of sorts? Mar 28 04:18:16 yeah Mar 28 04:18:23 i actually kind of like it myself Mar 28 04:18:55 well, tricky, how do you do a touch-only alarm clock? Mar 28 04:19:02 show big numbers to push? Mar 28 04:19:08 why not? Mar 28 04:19:19 or just uh, use the keyboard? Mar 28 04:19:36 they wouldnt do that Mar 28 04:19:43 the phone app lets you use both the keyboard and the touchscreen Mar 28 04:19:50 why not the alarm Mar 28 04:19:50 maemo 5 is made purely from maemo 4 apps arent they? Mar 28 04:19:57 they used alot of community ones Mar 28 04:20:06 if you want to use the keyboard put your alarm in crontab :P Mar 28 04:20:27 wait is that really what the alarm does? Mar 28 04:20:37 i doubt it Mar 28 04:20:37 put "at" in a cron job better :) Mar 28 04:21:09 it might as well be a crontab really, Mar 28 04:21:27 i used to use sleep `echo 3600 4 * |dc`; sox ... for an alarm clock Mar 28 04:21:42 i mean, a lot of maemo apps are really simple in the background Mar 28 04:21:44 properly quoted and with a p Mar 28 04:21:45 take maps for example Mar 28 04:21:48 its almost all html Mar 28 04:21:56 ovi maps ? Mar 28 04:21:58 echo '3600 4 * p' Mar 28 04:22:07 yes Mar 28 04:22:14 its a good app :) Mar 28 04:22:24 used it one night Mar 28 04:22:31 would be a better app if they would give us voice turn by turn Mar 28 04:22:34 zakkkkm, you havent used the symbian equivalent Mar 28 04:22:43 i had a nokia 5230 before this Mar 28 04:22:53 for about 7-8 months.. with C6 firmware or something Mar 28 04:22:54 back when i was driving, the symbian version was the best Mar 28 04:23:04 yeah it is different Mar 28 04:23:07 it's ok but i have to stop somewhere to use ovi maps when i am riding my motorcycle Mar 28 04:23:10 especially when they brought it to the E71 Mar 28 04:23:33 I'm on foot :) or subway/bus Mar 28 04:23:33 i dont drive anymore so it stopped being useful forme Mar 28 04:23:46 afterwards I used the google maps app all the time to get transit directions Mar 28 04:23:50 ovi maps is neat when you are walking Mar 28 04:23:56 something I kinda miss on the N900 Mar 28 04:24:03 its a bit of a kludge to use the website Mar 28 04:24:45 still havent been through much of the maemo apps to be honest Mar 28 04:24:49 i just installed CSSU :) Mar 28 04:25:21 im thinking of compiling remmina for N900 Mar 28 04:25:32 it at least has potential to be touch friendly Mar 28 04:25:38 unlike the rdesktop app Mar 28 04:25:52 i just installed the diablo binary of aria2 Mar 28 04:25:55 what is the maemo 5 build like ? Mar 28 04:26:04 compiling for it Mar 28 04:26:11 i don't have another bittorrent client installed Mar 28 04:26:20 what's it like to compile for maemo you mean? Mar 28 04:26:25 yeah Mar 28 04:26:26 sorry. Mar 28 04:26:36 it's pretty simple once you get scratchbox set up Mar 28 04:26:43 its just debian Mar 28 04:26:47 i've been wanting to install the sdk Mar 28 04:27:07 ive been using it a lot lately Mar 28 04:27:10 but it probably wants to live someplace i won't approve of Mar 28 04:27:14 trying to get a hardware accelerated version of gnash for n900 Mar 28 04:27:29 I'm close, but i can't get the GLES 1.1 renderer working just right Mar 28 04:27:33 i'm running sabayon and there aren't entropy packages or gentoo ebuilds for it Mar 28 04:28:15 debian has annoyed me too many times Mar 28 04:28:15 but yeah, remmina imo has a better interface for touchscreens Mar 28 04:28:30 brand new release and the kernel is 3 years old Mar 28 04:28:57 kernels from 2010 support my usb wifi dongle out of the box with no trouble Mar 28 04:29:03 you dont need to update the kernel all the time Mar 28 04:29:07 but not 2008 kernels Mar 28 04:29:22 and if there's a killer feature for your kernel, it'll probably be in the backports repo Mar 28 04:29:39 debian is fine if your hardware is all 5 years old Mar 28 04:29:56 brand new hardware you will be building your own kernel Mar 28 04:30:22 and if the new hardware is needed to connect to the net you better have another machine to use in the meanwhile Mar 28 04:30:39 there's nothing wrong with compiling your own kernel Mar 28 04:30:48 there's nothing good either Mar 28 04:30:49 I run gentoo, we do it all the time Mar 28 04:31:08 to run debian on this box i would have to compile a kernel and make my own debian install disk with it Mar 28 04:31:17 there's something good if you have a sense in wanting to achieve something Mar 28 04:31:21 it allows us to compile in stuff we need for our machine, and of course compile with our processor specific optimization Mar 28 04:31:36 i'm using a genkernel Mar 28 04:31:42 I run Win7 on this box (can't beat that) with a VM with Ubuntu, 2 monitors, each with one OS. The best setup in my opinion. Mar 28 04:31:43 ew Mar 28 04:31:48 that's for lazy people Mar 28 04:31:57 i have no idea what sabayon puts on the initrd image and didn't want to make my own Mar 28 04:31:59 menuconfig is easy enough Mar 28 04:32:12 dangergrrl, if you use menuconfig you dont need an initrd Mar 28 04:32:19 i must have an initrd, i use lvm Mar 28 04:32:35 my / is in a lvm Mar 28 04:32:43 you dont need an initrd for lvm on gentoo iirc Mar 28 04:32:47 i know i used it fine Mar 28 04:33:20 i installed gentoo with lvm by hand and had to make a cpio initrd to bring up the volume Mar 28 04:33:20 wow sorry Mar 28 04:33:24 Gentoo Pwns :) Mar 28 04:33:27 but that was 18 months ago Mar 28 04:34:04 about to be a LPIC 2 holder, should of already had it.. but they cancelled the exams.. menuconfig is important :) Mar 28 04:34:07 i had gentoo many years ago Mar 28 04:34:08 afaik you have to run some shell commands to recognize volumes with the mapper Mar 28 04:34:16 gentoo or no gentoo, kernel compiling is important Mar 28 04:34:17 and there was no need for initrd to have lvm Mar 28 04:34:43 i just had separate /boot with kernel and stuff for grub and small / with basic stuff Mar 28 04:34:48 if your root fs in in a logical volume you can not boot without initrd Mar 28 04:35:18 / on lvm is stupid idea Mar 28 04:35:26 dangergrrl, yeah i think youre right if you have / on lvm you need an initrd Mar 28 04:35:28 if something goes wrong you can just sit down and cry Mar 28 04:35:35 but yeah what jacekowski said Mar 28 04:35:41 you dont need all of / on lvm Mar 28 04:35:45 and hope that you have livecd around Mar 28 04:35:46 just a few volumes Mar 28 04:36:03 i have a whole stack of assorted linux dvds Mar 28 04:36:11 if its a desktop computer, whats wrong with 1 / partition ? Mar 28 04:36:20 fragmentation Mar 28 04:36:35 which is almost a nonissue on ext3/4 Mar 28 04:36:40 its a desktop :) Mar 28 04:36:43 bullshit Mar 28 04:36:53 fsck runs every 33 mounts doesnt it? Mar 28 04:36:54 Sazpaimon__: run filefrag on any file Mar 28 04:37:13 I'm not saying it's immune Mar 28 04:37:20 fsck is only issued as per tunefs specifications Mar 28 04:37:23 I'm saying it's more resiliant than, say FAT Mar 28 04:37:23 i'm using btrfs Mar 28 04:37:44 Sazpaimon__: but that doesn't mean it's not an issue Mar 28 04:37:48 which i know is inviting failure Mar 28 04:38:02 btrfs is nice :) Mar 28 04:38:08 never used myself though. Mar 28 04:38:12 Sazpaimon__: and even fat is quite immune to fragmentation since windows xp where they changed allocation policies Mar 28 04:38:13 but anything important should be on the cloud anyhow Mar 28 04:38:16 heard about it from a coworker. Mar 28 04:38:23 well fsck can also be implicitly issued as per user's request but fsck runs mainly as specified by the amounts of mounts Mar 28 04:38:32 jacekowski, it's even less of an issue on ext4 if you use extents Mar 28 04:38:33 psycho_oreos: or time Mar 28 04:38:51 jacekowski, yeah that's notable on ext3 types Mar 28 04:39:08 Sazpaimon__: well, but any ext4 is just a delayed symlink to /dev/null Mar 28 04:39:13 is there a reason maemo uses ext3 for /opt and not ext4? Mar 28 04:39:21 reliability Mar 28 04:39:38 age too probably Mar 28 04:39:41 dangergrrl, the kernel probably doesnt support it Mar 28 04:39:58 it was probably still ext4dev at the time Mar 28 04:40:04 ext4 will make your data disappear if you reset system at load higher than ~3-4 Mar 28 04:40:15 oh Mar 28 04:40:17 which happens sometimes on n900 when watchdog decides to restart Mar 28 04:40:18 i do tha a lot Mar 28 04:40:20 better question Mar 28 04:40:26 why doesnt maemo use reiserfs Mar 28 04:40:29 :D Mar 28 04:40:43 xfs more like it :) Mar 28 04:40:44 fennec is eating my n900 and it pisses me off i just take the battery out Mar 28 04:40:56 fennec? Mar 28 04:40:57 i know it could eat my data Mar 28 04:41:03 fennec is years old isnt it? Mar 28 04:41:04 firefox mobile Mar 28 04:41:05 Its firefox now Mar 28 04:41:12 ext4 is still somewhat experimental the last I recall. There were some gaping issues here and there, namely with single huge files or something on ext4 as noted in ubuntu bugs Mar 28 04:41:23 they changed the name from fennec ages ago. Mar 28 04:41:28 naah Mar 28 04:41:31 zakkkkm, i agree, XFS would be a more logical for embedded devices like the N900 Mar 28 04:41:37 pfffff Mar 28 04:41:40 the pc version is still explicitly called fennec Mar 28 04:41:48 reiserfs is only good for small files. Apart from that, I'm sure not many would want to recall the epic case against Hans Reiser Mar 28 04:41:50 i installed it today Mar 28 04:41:57 xfs isn't usefull anywhere where you don't have 100% reliable power supply Mar 28 04:42:00 thats cause firefox already exists :) Mar 28 04:42:03 hans was a psycho Mar 28 04:42:10 doesn't mean anything about his code Mar 28 04:42:16 becuase xfs looses data every time you reboot without unmounting Mar 28 04:42:25 indeed, XFS's pitfall was well noted in an old gentoo install doc once Mar 28 04:42:26 good times :) Mar 28 04:42:53 and i don't mean it may loose data Mar 28 04:43:03 it's guaranteed that you will loose data every single time Mar 28 04:43:03 im aware, was a joke :) Mar 28 04:43:07 jacekowski, what's the point of journaling then Mar 28 04:43:07 the windows/linux/mac versions of fennec are handy for plugin development Mar 28 04:43:27 lets give it a journal but make it completely utterly useless Mar 28 04:43:37 xfs was ported from irix Mar 28 04:43:46 from machines that had power fail interrupt Mar 28 04:43:51 xfs is guaranteed to fail if you loose power? Mar 28 04:43:58 that's lame Mar 28 04:43:58 yeah Mar 28 04:44:02 that was used to write out data to disk in case of power fail Mar 28 04:44:05 wait wait Mar 28 04:44:07 what about zfs? Mar 28 04:44:14 zfs is sun thing Mar 28 04:44:20 fast isnt it? Mar 28 04:44:24 not on linux Mar 28 04:44:30 i used jfs on linux for a while Mar 28 04:44:32 on linux it's implemented using fuse Mar 28 04:44:39 gave up the second time it ate all my data Mar 28 04:44:40 isnt there opensolaris? Mar 28 04:44:49 zakkkkm: not anymore Mar 28 04:44:54 funny, jfs on AIX was rock solid Mar 28 04:45:03 sun oracle deal killied it Mar 28 04:45:31 dangergrrl: that's what happens when you port fs without taking all kinds of stuff into account Mar 28 04:45:32 what about logfs Mar 28 04:45:43 dangergrrl: like what they did with xfs Mar 28 04:45:46 ive used that on a few devices without isues Mar 28 04:45:47 *issues Mar 28 04:46:04 you know virtualbox seems to be the only opensource project that oracle didn't mess up Mar 28 04:46:23 where original designers decided to keep some more data in memory for longer period of time because they will have power fail interrupt and they will have time to write it out Mar 28 04:46:30 they even ported the gui frontend and made it gpl Mar 28 04:46:31 hey e-yes finish nitdroid plz Mar 28 04:46:32 e-yes has quit () Mar 28 04:46:54 oracle didnt create virtualbox Mar 28 04:47:10 jacekowski: but what if you lose a hard disk interrupt or any of a number of other things goes wrong Mar 28 04:47:12 heh Mar 28 04:47:20 nitdroid doesnt have phone calls working does it? Mar 28 04:47:25 dangergrrl: that's not related Mar 28 04:47:28 i was going to try it then im like... its a phone.. i need calls? Mar 28 04:47:30 you can't always write out the data even with a powerfail interrupt Mar 28 04:47:41 zakkkkm, last i checked you can make calls but you cant talk Mar 28 04:47:47 oh right sorry Mar 28 04:47:51 dangergrrl: you can, unless you have some bigger problem Mar 28 04:47:52 you cant talk Mar 28 04:47:54 jacekowski: but you are guaranteed a corrupt filesystem in those cases too Mar 28 04:48:09 this might be a good thing depending on how much people like listening to you Mar 28 04:48:21 hey any of you tried the tablet UX meego 1.2? Mar 28 04:48:23 on n900 Mar 28 04:48:27 and again, it was a tradeoff between performance and reliability Mar 28 04:48:41 i've been wanting to play with meego Mar 28 04:48:47 you see the tablet UX ? Mar 28 04:48:52 they decided that with their powerfail interrupt in hardware it will be reliable enough Mar 28 04:48:55 can't afford a spare sd card to install it on right now Mar 28 04:48:55 looks better to use than handset UX Mar 28 04:48:58 and well, it was Mar 28 04:49:20 zakkkkm, its designed for a larger screen Mar 28 04:49:29 did you look at it? Mar 28 04:49:33 i did Mar 28 04:49:42 i thought it looked okay Mar 28 04:49:43 and you can tell that its struggling to scale down to a small screen Mar 28 04:49:46 little iOS like Mar 28 04:49:46 did you see the status bar? Mar 28 04:49:57 i'm pretty sure the rest of the kernel wasn't robust like nonstop-ux or anything Mar 28 04:50:02 it was like, 6 pixles high Mar 28 04:50:11 MeeGo? Mar 28 04:50:14 whats with that Codora ? that seemed cool Mar 28 04:50:14 and the OS itself doesnt fully support the N900, so you wont get much stabilit Mar 28 04:50:16 *stability Mar 28 04:50:26 Meego with Maemo hildon-desktop Mar 28 04:50:54 Cordia* Mar 28 04:51:13 http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start thats cool Mar 28 04:51:53 hildon-*, not hildon-desktop Mar 28 04:52:05 all of hildon Mar 28 04:52:15 hildon-desktop = environment name? Mar 28 04:52:22 i thought it was Mar 28 04:52:31 sorry. Mar 28 04:52:38 hildon-desktop is the desktop itself Mar 28 04:53:03 looks kind of like what Stskeeps was doing with Mer awhile back Mar 28 04:53:20 i dont like how mer was based on ubuntu Mar 28 04:53:26 that was my only issue with it Mar 28 04:53:32 i remember the gentoo port :) Mar 28 04:53:49 why would you use gentoo on an n900 Mar 28 04:53:55 no n800 Mar 28 04:54:00 even worse Mar 28 04:54:02 n810* Mar 28 04:54:09 hey i want to install xxx, let me compile it and come back 12 hours later Mar 28 04:54:12 and see if it finished Mar 28 04:54:19 cross-compiling? Mar 28 04:54:21 oh wait, its not, i guess I'll wait another 3 days Mar 28 04:54:44 so if you want an app you'll need a desktop to cross compile i Mar 28 04:54:51 ??? Mar 28 04:54:51 great idea Mar 28 04:54:55 thats what repositories are for Mar 28 04:55:08 what are all the apps in extras extras-devel .. they were once compiled .. well most Mar 28 04:55:17 that goes against the idea of gentoo Mar 28 04:55:19 and who says you cant use binary just because its gentoo Mar 28 04:55:26 all the devices are identical. Mar 28 04:55:27 cordia looks cool Mar 28 04:55:31 because it wouldnt be gentoo Mar 28 04:55:44 gentoo without portage just wouldnt be gentoo Mar 28 04:55:53 portage supports binhosts? Mar 28 04:56:04 only for packages that have no source Mar 28 04:56:07 like flash Mar 28 04:56:23 http://edoceo.com/liber/gentoo-portage-binhost Mar 28 04:56:38 oh i forgot about that Mar 28 04:56:40 theres a whole flag called BINHOST Mar 28 04:56:41 it would make more sense to use sabayon on n900 than dentoo proper Mar 28 04:56:46 gentoo Mar 28 04:56:50 its still a silly idea Mar 28 04:56:55 it is :) Mar 28 04:57:04 sabayon? why? Mar 28 04:57:20 all sabayon comes with, is nothing useful to n900 Mar 28 04:57:22 only thing i've had to compile myself on this sabayon was firefox 4rc1 Mar 28 04:57:37 i can agree with that Mar 28 04:57:57 why put a distro that is designed to have everything out of the box on a device that has limited capabilities Mar 28 04:57:57 because it's all binary unless you want to change use flags or such for single packages Mar 28 04:58:46 Miro would be useful for n900 Mar 28 04:58:53 didnt it once have miro? Mar 28 04:58:56 maemo 4 Mar 28 04:59:06 but it's video engine i think is vlc Mar 28 04:59:23 FFmpeg, IIRC. Mar 28 04:59:42 i run miro on this pc, i like having hours of video predownloaded Mar 28 04:59:51 theres knots2? Mar 28 04:59:54 i think it uses gstreamer Mar 28 05:00:00 vlc on windows though Mar 28 05:00:04 aha Mar 28 05:00:35 xmbc is the only prog that i get 720p vids to play ok with on this pc Mar 28 05:00:45 and even then i have to unnice Mar 28 05:00:54 unnice? Mar 28 05:00:57 renice ? Mar 28 05:00:59 crappy slow pc with no RAM Mar 28 05:01:17 xbmc on n900 meego appears to run :) Mar 28 05:01:36 xmbc is pretty Mar 28 05:02:08 dangergrrl, what is xmbc? Mar 28 05:02:19 * lcuk knows xbmc Mar 28 05:02:22 xbmc = xbox media center Mar 28 05:02:32 like boxee Mar 28 05:02:41 lcuk! :) Mar 28 05:02:43 nice -n -20 Mar 28 05:02:44 Hey Mar 28 05:02:46 unnice Mar 28 05:02:57 zakkkkm, hi, I know what xbmc is - it was with dangergrrl saying it twice incorrectly Mar 28 05:03:00 though i usually use top as root Mar 28 05:03:23 Still hang around here? Mar 28 05:03:35 mostly #meego Mar 28 05:03:37 morning Mar 28 05:03:38 four years at least is it now? Mar 28 05:03:46 indeed :) Mar 28 05:03:56 [00:58] xbmc = xbox media center Mar 28 05:04:01 didnt they drop that acronym Mar 28 05:04:10 since they stopped developing for xbox Mar 28 05:04:15 i been out of the loop along time Mar 28 05:04:16 they look the same unless i know an expansion :P Mar 28 05:04:32 lcuk, got myself my first IT job a few months ago :) Mar 28 05:04:50 i got my first non freelance job since i moved to philadelphia Mar 28 05:04:52 awesome :D Mar 28 05:04:54 what doing? Mar 28 05:04:59 its for a porn site Mar 28 05:04:59 NOC Technician.. hosting company Mar 28 05:05:04 backend developer Mar 28 05:05:20 so i tell people i work the backend of a porn site Mar 28 05:05:23 *blink* Mar 28 05:05:25 giggles all around Mar 28 05:05:36 hey, its a paycheck Mar 28 05:05:42 :) Mar 28 05:05:53 Philly eh? Mar 28 05:05:53 pretty close Mar 28 05:05:56 Toronto, canada myself. Mar 28 05:06:12 the problem is the entire site was programmed in coldfusion years ago Mar 28 05:06:27 i dont know coldfusion Mar 28 05:06:35 zakkkkm, good for you :) Mar 28 05:06:49 lcuk: thanks :) Mar 28 05:07:04 got LPIC 1 , and should of had LPIC 2 already, but they cancelled the exams :( have to reschedule Mar 28 05:07:33 life. Mar 28 05:07:47 aha true Mar 28 05:07:57 damn, i need to get to sleep Mar 28 05:08:05 i need to be in court in about 7 hours Mar 28 05:08:08 ROTFL Mar 28 05:08:08 you still have that super fast maemo app? Mar 28 05:08:13 i just checked my e-mail Mar 28 05:08:16 and i've seen this Mar 28 05:08:23 "hi mate i have nokia n8 its working well ,but due to hongkong version fm transmiter r not installed in it . iam from australia i want this app,please help me ........thanks" Mar 28 05:08:25 which means i need to be up in 5 Mar 28 05:09:06 zakkkkm, indeed :) bigger than ever now and showing its optimisation bits well Mar 28 05:09:37 i remember sitting in high school just playing around with the notes section Mar 28 05:09:48 just scribbling with the stylus and saving it. Mar 28 05:10:12 zakkkkm, yeah, me too Mar 28 05:10:23 it scales up beyond n900 now Mar 28 05:10:29 :o Mar 28 05:10:30 http://liqbase.net/20110323_002.jpg :) quite nicely actually Mar 28 05:10:31 link? Mar 28 05:10:38 liqbase! that was it Mar 28 05:10:41 sorry, forgotten the name Mar 28 05:10:49 * lcuk does too Mar 28 05:11:27 oh wow. more applications. Mar 28 05:11:38 yeah, still useful to prototype things Mar 28 05:11:45 its very personal now ;) Mar 28 05:11:50 everything is in handwriting Mar 28 05:11:57 lcuk, pretty cool sticker you have there Mar 28 05:12:08 i didnt see it in app manager on the n900 Mar 28 05:12:35 yeah zakkkkm ummm patches welcome and all that I have been working on main os Mar 28 05:12:41 Sazpaimon__, which Mar 28 05:13:00 on the right of your screen Mar 28 05:13:13 :D Mar 28 05:13:14 why not go all out and put some bling on it too Mar 28 05:13:27 stick a bunch of those little shiny things all over it Mar 28 05:14:11 Sazpaimon__, I have one on each monitor Mar 28 05:14:16 well, actually the big one has loads Mar 28 05:14:17 then you can be truly FABULOUUUUUUUUUUUUUS Mar 28 05:14:26 when youngest comes home from school.. Mar 28 05:14:50 :) Mar 28 05:15:15 Sazpaimon__, what kind of stickers would you recommend? Mar 28 05:15:31 I was personally thinking of using gluestick and some glitter Mar 28 05:15:36 but if you have better ideas Mar 28 05:16:31 glitter pwns Mar 28 05:17:06 no better way to make a mess Mar 28 05:33:00 so with my fon, i find that computers associate upon booting and not after i deauth Mar 28 05:33:31 are fons any good? Mar 28 05:34:07 whats bothering me is i cant get internet to passthrough using my iphone even though my iphone is tethered in my bt4 Mar 28 05:35:32 are they good for home use? Fon's? Mar 28 05:36:42 yea the only thing with the fonis it wont really work against windows 7 Mar 28 05:36:52 mac user myself Mar 28 05:36:58 you put your wifi for paid use? Mar 28 05:37:09 no Mar 28 05:37:17 considering that, but it would pose legal problems here Mar 28 05:37:22 that wouldbe cool thoughj Mar 28 05:37:26 people doing awful things on the wireless Mar 28 05:37:29 i would get in legal trouble Mar 28 05:38:05 i thought of putting them into a Tor proxy, but it wouldnt really change much Mar 28 05:39:15 http://corp.fon.com/en/products/fonera2n/ fonera 2 ? Mar 28 05:43:17 ~moo Mar 28 05:43:18 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Mar 28 05:44:03 ~moo Mar 28 05:44:04 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Mar 28 05:44:24 you guys and gals had so much fun I dunno where to start Mar 28 05:44:58 recommend alarmed as there's no cron neither at? Mar 28 05:45:25 point out the I2C IRQs are probably by bme? Mar 28 05:45:30 Is anyone familiar with how to use the XSBC-Maemo-Display-Name field in a maemo package control file? Mar 28 05:46:17 toss a link to wiki hardware_powermanagement? Mar 28 05:48:59 RST38h: didn't you ask me yesterday about coremelt? This very minute I hear tepco admits coremelt in #2 Mar 28 05:51:06 whaat Mar 28 05:52:42 is 25-40mah for idle good? Mar 28 05:58:48 should i set phone to 125mhz idle, or is that a bad idea? Mar 28 05:59:18 does ettercap work on maemo? Mar 28 06:01:05 is there a guide on modules and such you can safely turn off? Mar 28 06:01:09 processes ? Mar 28 06:06:48 zakkkkm: depending on how you probe that 25-40 it's kinda ok Mar 28 06:07:06 and no you shouldn't enable 125 Mar 28 06:07:18 k Mar 28 06:08:04 yeah was bit unsure of that, it was caused by the powermeter script on the battery wiki article. It had to run, and update terminal which must of took alot of xorg cpu Mar 28 06:08:20 i couldnt find a better way to do it. How do you pipe on the n900? Mar 28 06:08:28 or ">" Mar 28 06:08:31 zakkkkm: if you're using bq27200.sh 5 then 25 over ssh/WLAN seems OK. If you're using bq27200.sh 30 then the current should be mor elike 10mA Mar 28 06:08:40 no ssh no WLAN Mar 28 06:08:53 5 / 30? Mar 28 06:09:06 so how do you probe the current? Mar 28 06:09:23 heh have to find it again Mar 28 06:09:48 current_read='cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/current_now' echo Using kernel battery driver to read current. Mar 28 06:10:22 hmmm :-S Mar 28 06:10:34 it's known to cause problems Mar 28 06:10:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management ran the powerscript .. i dont think i have i2c-tools though, so it did the first one Mar 28 06:11:03 wait what is? Mar 28 06:11:06 the kernels battery driver? Mar 28 06:11:17 anyway, your probing action isn't exactly idle Mar 28 06:11:26 yes Mar 28 06:11:35 what should i be using? Mar 28 06:11:51 bq27200.sh with I2Ctools Mar 28 06:12:10 do i just download and install i2c-tools and thats it, or is there more involved? Mar 28 06:12:16 is what I invented and used Mar 28 06:12:50 nah, even no installing, just untar the bq.tar Mar 28 06:13:17 Hi sorry. Mar 28 06:13:19 or you simply install i2ctools pkg Mar 28 06:13:48 i only see i2c-tiny-usb in faster application manager Mar 28 06:13:52 ill try apt-get Mar 28 06:14:18 Make sure -devel is enabled; I'd assume it is, but just to make sure.. Mar 28 06:14:28 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ Mar 28 06:14:33 bq.tar Mar 28 06:14:36 so i2ctools will give me better battery readings? Mar 28 06:14:42 no Mar 28 06:14:54 but less problems with bme segfaulting Mar 28 06:15:15 possibly Mar 28 06:15:32 i2ctools is just a couple programs that allow for direct control/reading of the battery controller, among other things. Mar 28 06:15:37 bq.tar , i download that? Mar 28 06:15:45 yep Mar 28 06:16:32 what do i do with contents? Mar 28 06:16:41 untar Mar 28 06:17:24 should i be getting tools , or just that i2cget ? Mar 28 06:18:40 i2cget is sufficient for reading battery values Mar 28 06:19:13 bq.tar has all you need Mar 28 06:20:35 kk sorry Mar 28 06:20:39 i untar'd it. Mar 28 06:20:51 should i move i2cget to /sbin ? Mar 28 06:22:05 Yea Mar 28 06:22:09 Same with i2cset Mar 28 06:23:22 sorry. Mar 28 06:24:32 robbiethe1st: where can i get i2cset? Mar 28 06:30:08 robbiethe1st: don't confuse people please. zakkkkm doesn't have nor need i2cset Mar 28 06:30:11 Sat Aug 7 21:35:06 BST 2010 6mA 27 total events, 5.382 events/sec Mar 28 06:30:15 ^ - iwonder how they got so low Mar 28 06:31:20 DocScrutinizer: I moved i2cget to /sbin directory.. Figure thats in my path environment Mar 28 06:32:08 cat bq27200.sh - you'll see where it is. AFAIK untar places all where it belongs Mar 28 06:32:25 i know where it is Mar 28 06:32:36 i did a tar xvf .. should i of done differently? Mar 28 06:32:42 Is it suppose to go into specific folders? Mar 28 06:33:06 sorry, I meant you'll see sth like /usr/local/sbin/i2cget caled in bq27200.sh Mar 28 06:33:28 i downloaded and viewed on pc, much simpler reading :D Mar 28 06:33:52 "Need ./i2cget" Mar 28 06:33:53 needs in directory heh Mar 28 06:34:05 also check for RS=20 in that script Mar 28 06:34:20 its at very top Mar 28 06:34:23 first line of code Mar 28 06:34:35 some scripts had 30 there Mar 28 06:34:42 shall be 20 Mar 28 06:35:19 am i supposed to run the shell script as root? Mar 28 06:35:59 yep Mar 28 06:36:29 run bq27200.sh 30 Mar 28 06:36:56 for loopmode Mar 28 06:36:59 run not found :p Mar 28 06:37:27 sh bq27200.sh 30 .. shows alot of permission denied Mar 28 06:37:39 eeh Mar 28 06:37:42 ? Mar 28 06:37:43 ohhh Mar 28 06:37:47 what's the sh Mar 28 06:37:47 i2cget i have no permission on Mar 28 06:37:59 sh = start bash script as a child? Mar 28 06:40:23 zakkkkm: you don't need such nonsense. chmod +x bq27200 Mar 28 06:40:32 i did that Mar 28 06:40:34 chmod +x i2cget Mar 28 06:40:36 still same thing Mar 28 06:40:40 permission denied Mar 28 06:40:48 ./bq27200.sh 5 Mar 28 06:41:08 -sh: ./bq27200.sh: Permission denied Mar 28 06:41:14 you're not trying all this on MyDocs? Mar 28 06:41:45 i am Mar 28 06:41:47 does that matter? Mar 28 06:41:59 Yes Mar 28 06:42:00 i'm new to N900 i should mention. Mar 28 06:42:15 I hold linux certification, but N900 specifics i'm "newbie" Mar 28 06:42:23 Ok. Just so you know, MyDocs is a Fat32 partition Mar 28 06:42:40 saw that when i mounted it Mar 28 06:42:42 why does the n900 sometimes get into a loop where it asks over and over 'disconnect or change connection'? Mar 28 06:42:59 zakkkkm: And that didn't raise any red flags about running stuff from it..? Mar 28 06:43:54 i have a valid wifi connection and it has connectivity Mar 28 06:44:03 wooh Mar 28 06:44:05 success :D Mar 28 06:44:28 its 2:40am here, I think im tired more than anything :) Mar 28 06:44:37 and it brings up 'disconnect or change connection' i tap outside the box and the dialog goes away only to come right back Mar 28 06:44:59 it probably should of, it didnt change the rwx bits Mar 28 06:45:03 no matter what i did Mar 28 06:45:56 mv 4148 RSOC 100 CSOC 100 NAC 1297 CACD 1297 CACT 1297 TTF 65535 TTE 12117 TEMP 42 Mar 28 06:46:06 currently charging so mA is in negative Mar 28 06:46:36 run it with parameter 30 /seconds) Mar 28 06:46:44 ( Mar 28 06:46:52 oh sorry Mar 28 06:46:54 that is with 30 Mar 28 06:46:57 should i run with 5? Mar 28 06:47:19 you'll see current rise from 10 to 25mA with 5 Mar 28 06:47:40 that's what the script eats for its own execution Mar 28 06:47:44 "query" itself rises it from 10-25? Mar 28 06:48:20 im not just going crazy here.. nobody ever calls me, i hardly check my phone .. and i could have dead battery in like 7-8 hours Mar 28 06:48:31 but then looking at say 10mah.. that should last like 4 days Mar 28 06:48:49 which it usually does Mar 28 06:49:49 all google gives me is a bunch of localizations for osso-connectivity-ui.po Mar 28 06:50:34 idle is so low compared to usage :P Mar 28 06:50:46 dangergrrl: never seen that Mar 28 06:50:55 how do you change 3g pings? Mar 28 06:51:06 DocScrutinizer: it's annoying when it happens Mar 28 06:51:16 dangergrrl: never seen either Mar 28 06:51:29 can probably set to automatically connect to celluar data? Mar 28 06:51:33 that way it wont ask? maybe. Mar 28 06:51:44 sounds like autodisconnect or some other foo you have installed. Have you? Mar 28 06:52:45 DocScrutinizer: from the script results, i have a good battery? Mar 28 06:52:58 if CI=0 then yes Mar 28 06:53:05 ehh Mar 28 06:53:08 what time is in england now? Mar 28 06:53:18 7:50 or 6:50 Mar 28 06:53:25 i didnt see a CI? Mar 28 06:53:27 6:50? Mar 28 06:53:33 7:49am Monday (BST) - Time in London, UK Mar 28 06:53:37 http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=current+time+in+london Mar 28 06:53:53 zakkkkm: use it in full (not loop) mode Mar 28 06:53:59 CI is in the flags Mar 28 06:54:00 how? Mar 28 06:54:12 omit the 30 Mar 28 06:54:26 average current: 12mA? Mar 28 06:54:30 i killed the process doing it and it went away :) Mar 28 06:54:33 thats the discharge rate? Mar 28 06:54:43 yes Mar 28 06:55:02 or charge rate Mar 28 06:55:21 oh Mar 28 06:55:39 TTE=12117 suggests it's discharge Mar 28 06:55:55 Time To Empty Mar 28 06:55:59 (min) Mar 28 06:56:26 TTE: 6062 minutes Mar 28 06:56:36 100h Mar 28 06:56:56 4 days standy.. ahh not bad Mar 28 06:57:02 charge would show TTF!=65535 Mar 28 06:57:35 dangergrrl: nice :) Mar 28 06:57:39 all only valid if ComputationsIncorrect=0 Mar 28 06:57:58 it is Mar 28 06:59:32 you can do `bq27200.sh 5 >mybatlog.txt` Mar 28 06:59:38 good thing i had sshd running Mar 28 06:59:42 how do i do > on n900? Mar 28 06:59:54 ctl-blue Mar 28 07:00:11 vkbd Mar 28 07:00:34 ctl-blue? Mar 28 07:00:41 blue-SYM Mar 28 07:00:49 empathy/conversations seems to be doing it when i get xmpp messages Mar 28 07:00:53 the arrow and the ctl/sym key Mar 28 07:01:08 oh cooool Mar 28 07:01:24 that's how you hit esc also Mar 28 07:01:45 you can tell im an awful user eh? Mar 28 07:02:04 yeah >:-( Mar 28 07:02:19 ~debian zakkkkm Mar 28 07:02:19 * infobot tells zakkkkm to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Mar 28 07:02:53 Good step up from n770 and n800 Mar 28 07:02:59 ;-D Mar 28 07:03:04 lol Mar 28 07:03:04 phone provider is AWS 1700/2100, so i didnt have much phone choices too Mar 28 07:03:46 just use it as a phone Mar 28 07:03:57 now don't start to complain you were forced to the N900, please :-P Mar 28 07:04:09 no i wanted it Mar 28 07:04:30 ever since it first got shown, all those screenshots of maemo 5 Mar 28 07:04:46 was too expensive at the time though Mar 28 07:05:20 I wanted it before it was announced Mar 28 07:05:22 :-D Mar 28 07:05:44 any of you use easy debian, or is that like dead? Mar 28 07:05:44 Yay nokia pure! \o/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=976837 Mar 28 07:05:57 that font is sexytiems! Mar 28 07:06:00 even considered to retrofit my N810 with a 3G module Mar 28 07:06:09 heh Mar 28 07:06:13 that would work? Mar 28 07:06:18 hehe Mar 28 07:06:32 somebody actually did it Mar 28 07:06:33 i remember buying a usb keyboard and a female to female adapter for my n800 :) Mar 28 07:06:39 good times. Mar 28 07:07:00 now you can use it for N900 :-D Mar 28 07:07:14 ~h-e-n Mar 28 07:07:24 duh Mar 28 07:07:28 ~hostmode Mar 28 07:07:28 [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 Mar 28 07:07:42 lol Mar 28 07:07:56 i did it cause i couldnt afford a n810 Mar 28 07:08:29 hmmgrrr Mar 28 07:08:45 use sleepanalyser? Mar 28 07:10:26 ~hostmode Mar 28 07:10:26 extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 Mar 28 07:11:13 heh Mar 28 07:11:18 the dvd player part is sick Mar 28 07:11:44 ~hostmode-powered Mar 28 07:11:44 it has been said that hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 Mar 28 07:12:54 the DVD-player part is somewhat broken ATM, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=971231&postcount=769 Mar 28 07:13:40 ~kick MohammadAG Mar 28 07:13:40 * infobot kicks MohammadAG Mar 28 07:14:31 MohammadAG: when will we get a PK46-addon-modules pkg? Mar 28 07:14:34 maybe one day ill have time for these things. Mar 28 07:15:38 * DocScrutinizer afk for a bit more of cheap TV coremelt thrill Mar 28 07:22:49 i bet hostmode drains the battery fast Mar 28 07:23:04 i really would like a twiddler2 by handykey Mar 28 07:23:12 but would haqve to use hostmode for it Mar 28 07:23:37 dangergrrl: So? grab a MintyBoost and use that to power the external device. Mar 28 07:24:06 == not much power drain Mar 28 07:24:22 is that a powered hub? Mar 28 07:24:35 lol Mar 28 07:24:45 USB charger http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ Mar 28 07:25:31 The Twiddler has always seemed to be about as convenient a keyboard as rollerblade shoe would be. Mar 28 07:26:33 I'd like a decent text entry thingy that you could use conveniently in pocket for example Mar 28 07:27:57 i want a twiddler for using my full size computer in bed Mar 28 07:28:16 Too much information Mar 28 07:28:29 Please keep your sexlife information _in_ the bed. Mar 28 07:28:30 no, like when i'm tired silly Mar 28 07:28:59 or physically fatigued but incapable of sleep Mar 28 07:29:36 if you don't necessarily need text entry, some wireless gamepad or similar is pretty ok for using from bed etc Mar 28 07:29:56 at least can surf and bind some keys too :) Mar 28 07:30:31 wireless mouse + wireless keyboard. Mar 28 07:30:48 Or n900 with the bluetooth mouse emulator Mar 28 07:31:41 and with an hmd i could irc and rollerblade with a n900 Mar 28 07:31:53 and a twiddler Mar 28 07:32:06 they make ntsc hmd's cheap Mar 28 07:32:33 i'd probably run into something but i do that anyhow Mar 28 07:33:50 pupnik: http://timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8/ Mar 28 07:34:00 my n8 didn't pass the first screen test Mar 28 07:34:06 s/first/home/ Mar 28 07:34:07 timeless_w7ip meant: my n8 didn't pass the home screen test Mar 28 07:35:29 http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/dispatcher.php?URL_=product_hmd_i-glasses_hrv&SubCatID_=16&model=products&action=get&tab=summary Mar 28 07:35:37 something like that and a twiddler Mar 28 07:35:48 could totally walk around online Mar 28 07:37:43 timeless_w7ip, what's the home screen test? Mar 28 07:43:02 dangergrrl: heh, exactly what I suggested yesterday (in another chan) for a nice stylish HMD Mar 28 07:44:55 umm, not exactly. http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/pdf/EG-7b.pdf is what I suggested Mar 28 07:45:08 i've been interested in wearable computing like forever Mar 28 07:45:54 this one is technically interesting: http://www.vrealities.com/addvisor150.html Mar 28 07:46:09 * ruskie has also been interested in wearable computing since forever Mar 28 07:46:37 but the pricetag is hefty, plus the style could use some improvement :-P Mar 28 07:47:11 what I'd like to see is a small clip on camera(since I already have glasses)... and a smallish HUD projected on the glasses somehow.. with transparency being settable... Mar 28 07:47:28 And wearable computing is exactly what I declared next trend after smartphones and tablets Mar 28 07:47:32 process the two and get actual information about the world around you... Mar 28 07:47:34 ruskie: does the home screen look unprofessional at firstr launch Mar 28 07:47:38 s/str/st/ Mar 28 07:47:39 timeless_w7ip meant: ruskie: does the home screen look unprofessional at first launch Mar 28 07:47:44 ahh Mar 28 07:47:48 in this case, the text of some of the labels is cropped Mar 28 07:47:55 which is a pretty bad start for a phone Mar 28 07:48:14 ruskie: so maybe you want to sponsor my project to build exactly such a goggles HMD Mar 28 07:49:07 DocScrutinizer, with what exactly? I tend to be broke most of the time Mar 28 07:49:15 oh neat, wonder how much they get for the eg-7 Mar 28 07:49:32 basically loved the nokia concept glasses that a vid on youtube is on Mar 28 07:49:32 http://www.isi.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~nakayama/index_en.htm <-- ruskie Mar 28 07:49:50 i suppose none of you have made your hq2x upscaler program to upscale / convert .pngs? Mar 28 07:51:37 DocScrutinizer, nice... tad big for a camera... and was hoping for a more discrete display, maybe embed a high-res lcd into the glasses or something like that... Mar 28 07:53:27 can it calculate vectors of objects that the camere sees? or is that to complex? Mar 28 07:56:14 damn! Mar 28 07:56:41 ruskie: see the inition pdf I linked above Mar 28 07:56:52 DocScrutinizer: looks like the MIT Media Lab would love to get a hold of you :) Mar 28 07:57:24 sweet Mar 28 07:57:25 I want that Mar 28 07:57:40 dangergrrl: of *me*, o of that Japanese guy? Mar 28 07:57:46 the inition one is cool wonder if it would work with other glasses Mar 28 07:58:01 o, of that japanese guy :) Mar 28 07:58:09 you were just showing the glasses Mar 28 07:58:12 duh Mar 28 07:58:36 i claim as my excuse that i don't sleep much Mar 28 07:59:52 Morning, all Mar 28 08:00:01 I have to enlarge about a thousand old game graphics bitmaps. And instead of doubling the pixels, i want to use the hq2x scaler in a program that will read-in the original, and spit-out the processed picture. Mar 28 08:00:05 http://i.imgur.com/4Iy5G.png Mar 28 08:00:32 the program is almost working :/ Mar 28 08:01:17 ruskie: my project is to augment a pair of googles like MicroOptical EG-7 by technology like found in shutter goggles, only way more evolved, plus a very small camera Mar 28 08:01:35 friday sipgate.com is supposed to have more phone numbers for free Mar 28 08:01:53 alas that's way beyond what a mere mortal can do (unless working for hitachi LCD R&D department) Mar 28 08:01:54 shutter goggles? Mar 28 08:03:17 you could probably do that project working for tek in beaverton oregon but good luck getting on there without a phd :) Mar 28 08:03:39 ah well Mar 28 08:03:47 sounds like research tektronix would fund Mar 28 08:04:02 they have a ton of hdtv related patents going way back Mar 28 08:07:18 would you rather have a ferrari or a really good pair of VR goggles? Mar 28 08:08:03 why are those things mutually exclusive? Mar 28 08:08:44 they aren't necessarily. it's a hypothetical question Mar 28 08:08:47 pupnik_: A ferrari is basicially a tuned up fiat.. ;) Mar 28 08:08:53 to make people think about whether they are overpriced Mar 28 08:09:13 don't want VR... want AR goggles Mar 28 08:09:17 pupnik_: man netpbm Mar 28 08:10:37 DocScrutinizer: it cannot do it Mar 28 08:12:52 netpbm doesn't have any of the game scalers or doesn't have hq2x? Mar 28 08:14:44 they are hopelessly out of date Mar 28 08:14:47 academic retards Mar 28 08:15:07 pupnik_, kot keeps mentiong some image loading converting thingy Mar 28 08:15:37 it should be simple, i got the program built - just segfaults :d Mar 28 08:15:41 http://igargoyle.com/archives/head_mounted_displays/ Mar 28 08:16:04 netpbm was written like 20 years ago originally Mar 28 08:16:59 if your prog were a pnm to pnm filter it would integrate nicely :) Mar 28 08:20:45 http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050606/105475/?ST=english <-- sweet this is the type of stuff I want to see more of... make the tech help me... but imho it needs to be a tad more discrete... Mar 28 08:20:59 when did network solutions get as annoying as all the other domain registrars? Mar 28 08:23:18 pupnik_: what's :d ? I only know d8-) Mar 28 08:24:28 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&ds=pr&sugexp=llsfp&pq=microoptical+myvu&xhr=t&q=myvu&cp=0&qe=bXl2dQ&qesig=Ptz1qf-lLz63EEVIR6xmAQ&pkc=AFgZ2tkNbYcngNbaQESvWXDDJ78tTRL_7RmJPpDcZM_XotgLDkJ3lNnXtOau6-HVKtDbVo7kVoaVGqdNNdbmGIehxUkiE2mNIw&client=firefox-a&hs=7V8&rls=Sabayon:en:unofficial&biw=1282&bih=575&bs=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=6656890109736005108&sa=X&ei=dkSQTYyGJInegQeC3_iHDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CFgQ8wIwAQ# Mar 28 08:24:37 nice for the price Mar 28 08:24:46 more what i was thinking i could actually get Mar 28 08:25:00 hehe Mar 28 08:25:19 I guess it's a split between those already wearing glasses and those that don't have glasses Mar 28 08:25:42 duh, wtf? Mar 28 08:26:11 I guess that URL could get pruned somewhat Mar 28 08:26:53 for example I'm for sure not using &client=firefox-a& Mar 28 08:27:35 and Sabayon ;) Mar 28 08:27:36 google shopping gives atrocious urls Mar 28 08:27:39 you don't want to give mozilla money for a search they helped you reach? Mar 28 08:28:06 dangergrrl, still better than tinyurling them Mar 28 08:28:17 * ruskie loathes all url shorteners Mar 28 08:28:17 yeah, agree Mar 28 08:28:44 but I guess you could find a somewhat shorter URL for same result Mar 28 08:30:28 http://www.homecinemacenter.com/Myvu_Crystal_Personal_Media_Viewer_Standard_Editio_p/PMV-CRBK-10010-EN.htm Mar 28 08:30:35 that one actually has specs Mar 28 08:30:47 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=myvu&cid=14630721650541296686 Mar 28 08:30:54 says it comes with a cable for nokia phones Mar 28 08:34:02 hehe set my coffee down on the table and n900 usb started charging again Mar 28 08:34:21 well, that's all not augmented reality but "blinding" viewer HMD Mar 28 08:35:00 pupnik_: your USB is severely broken Mar 28 08:35:46 but if i set the cable just right, it charges! weee! Mar 28 08:35:59 pupnik: that won't last forever Mar 28 08:36:12 contact nokia care and ask them about fixing your usb port Mar 28 08:36:17 dangergrrl: it's *maybe* nice for watching a movie in train, but you can't use those for e.g. checking a website while walking sightseeing Mar 28 08:36:20 (hope you're still in warranty) Mar 28 08:36:32 timeless_w7ip: ++ Mar 28 08:37:23 pupnik_: as long as it occasionally works, fixing it is simple even for arbitrary repair shops Mar 28 08:38:55 doc: really? Mar 28 08:39:46 the connector is sort of hard to access sitting under another part Mar 28 08:40:20 welcome back AD-770... Mar 28 08:40:27 pupnik: seriously, contact support Mar 28 08:40:27 ... your dreams were your ticket out... Mar 28 08:44:15 http://www.streetbikereview.com/sbr_reviews/sbr_reviews_sportvue.shtml Mar 28 08:44:17 pupnik_: uhmm, yes. Of course you need to lift off the LED assembly which is attached to main PCB by some doublesided sticky Mar 28 08:44:30 that looks sweet, not general purpose, but i ride Mar 28 08:45:14 nothing ike cruisin for fun dangergrrl Mar 28 08:45:15 the other ones would be nice for watching a film or such Mar 28 08:47:47 someones n900 in slovenia had the usb connector break and they had probs with the local repair service they refused to fix it(even though it was still in warranty)... Mar 28 08:48:31 in the end the person got it fixed but it took quite some effort Mar 28 08:51:20 Mar 28 08:51:21 ?~ Mar 28 08:51:44 bloody ssh Mar 28 09:05:56 http://www.hiend3d.com/hq2x.html like i say, 10 years old DocScrutinizer Mar 28 09:09:44 pupnik_: so what? You suggest there's no existing cmdline tool to use that, despite it being 10 years old? Mar 28 09:12:06 yes Mar 28 09:12:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=976961#post976961 there's the proggie. just a few kb. Mar 28 09:12:53 I searched for imagemagic or sth like that, but couldn't find it. Anyway there are several powerful tools to manipulate images on linux cmdline Mar 28 09:14:48 i know DocScrutinizer Mar 28 09:16:16 pupnik_: Firsrtr r- have you trried another cable? Mar 28 09:16:24 yessir Mar 28 09:16:47 hey this unit was dead for 9 months, i'm happy it works at all Mar 28 09:17:57 there is the 'done' button in the desktop, when rearranging objects, in n900. is there a way to cancel? Mar 28 09:27:25 sorry flux , don't understand Mar 28 09:27:59 he wants to cancel the changes he made to the desktop Mar 28 09:28:11 and no I don't think you can... the done is simply there to close the edit mode I think Mar 28 09:28:29 all editing is saved realtime I believe Mar 28 09:29:46 flux: no Mar 28 09:30:09 'done' is really 'close'/exit edit mode Mar 28 09:30:20 most of maemo doesn't really believe in cancel Mar 28 09:30:26 most things are live apply Mar 28 09:30:32 and yes, for the desktop, it's stupid Mar 28 09:30:47 because it means your pocket can easily rearrange your desktop Mar 28 09:30:55 and when you recognize it, ... too bad Mar 28 09:31:08 Yeah, that annoys me :) Mar 28 09:31:11 but the UI/UX designers will claim "well the fix should be to make it harder to accidentally trigger" Mar 28 09:31:17 backup gconf :) Mar 28 09:31:17 "not to make it easier to undo" Mar 28 09:31:21 they're half right Mar 28 09:31:28 it should be harder to accidentally trigger than it is Mar 28 09:31:40 but undo is actually useful in many cases and simplifies UI elsewhere Mar 28 09:31:45 (including here actually) Mar 28 09:32:23 A bit of both wouldn't go amiss. Mar 28 09:33:09 oddly for some reasons, browsers include a button Mar 28 09:33:15 timeless_w7ip, that's exactly what happened here Mar 28 09:33:16 i think some ui designers never quite understood that Mar 28 09:33:23 flux: you have my sympathies Mar 28 09:34:15 timeless_w7ip, how about if there are backups? can I manually restore the files/parts of files and reboot and things will be back? Mar 28 09:34:38 I guess I could stop the desktop first, and somehow avoid the watchdog in the process.. Mar 28 09:35:02 timeless_w7ip, I was asked repeatedly why I had an always available back button Mar 28 09:35:27 * lcuk strongly admires browser mechanisms in that regard :) Mar 28 09:35:36 flux: you can make a backup using backup Mar 28 09:35:43 but its granularity is incredibly coarse Mar 28 09:35:55 timeless_w7ip, yeah, I was thinking of manually restoring parts of it.. Mar 28 09:50:32 flux: if you've made a backup semi recently, it's theoretically possible to manage it Mar 28 09:50:35 the backup is a zip file Mar 28 09:50:47 so you could make a second backup, then repack the bit you need into it and restore Mar 28 10:10:27 I'd suggest to use cp and gconftool to create/restore backups of desktop settings Mar 28 10:11:22 will need a bit of investigation to find the keys of gconf and the files to store/restore Mar 28 10:24:02 hi there Mar 28 10:24:14 h Mar 28 10:24:18 do you know if there will be a new kernel update soon or later? Mar 28 10:24:31 (even not official) Mar 28 10:28:43 update like in 2.6.28+++? nope Mar 28 10:29:38 shit wrong button Mar 28 10:42:10 Termana: ? Mar 28 10:46:40 DocScrutinizer, damn :( Mar 28 10:47:41 What feature do you need? Mar 28 10:49:00 mazdok: there's powerkernel that has several backports of post-.28 features Mar 28 10:49:28 mazdok: ...and you're free to build your own kernel based on that Mar 28 10:50:49 mazdok: but as there are several dependencies to .28 in closed source parts of userland, it's highly unlikely we'll ever see any "new" kernel on maemo Mar 28 10:51:05 uhm Mar 28 10:51:56 DocScrutinizer, so this powerkernel Mar 28 10:53:08 has features present in the new kernels but only some of them Mar 28 10:53:19 ok Mar 28 10:53:21 thank you Mar 28 10:54:13 it seems several people are working on - or at least considering - to port forward the dependencies in .28 to a recent kernel, so this 'new' kernel would be compatible to the .28 depending blobs. But in the end of the day it's just a question of porting back/forward the 2.6.3x tag as well, as a 2.6.28 kernel with all the new bits backported to it is identical to a 2.6.3x kernel with the .28 patches to trim it for maemo Mar 28 10:56:01 DocScrutinizer: really? Mar 28 10:56:18 DocScrutinizer: How is this seen by ... nookia? Mar 28 10:56:26 cool Mar 28 10:56:39 DocScrutinizer, do you know when it will be released Mar 28 10:56:39 tybollt: err, please elaborate your question. I'm not a genuine kernel hacker so maybe some bits been fuzzy.... Mar 28 10:56:59 or do you know some of these people Mar 28 10:57:06 because I need to speak with them Mar 28 10:57:22 why? Mar 28 10:57:32 mazdok: ask here, search chan logs, it's my only source of info about this Mar 28 10:57:56 k thx Mar 28 10:58:57 mazdok: seems SHR working on parallel kernels .28 and duh .36(?), for N900-SHR. Meego afaik is using a new kernel Mar 28 10:59:26 the porting stuff for maemo has been mentioned/discussed by some users here Mar 28 10:59:27 DocScrutinizer: Will nokia help in tdoing this work or is it all ... community=? Mar 28 10:59:28 ? Mar 28 10:59:42 nokia doesn't care about that Mar 28 10:59:57 I'd like to know which backport they are working on Mar 28 11:00:00 right... sigh Mar 28 11:00:18 DocScrutinizer, SHR? Mar 28 11:00:34 mazdok: /join #openmoko-cdevel Mar 28 11:00:41 cheers Mar 28 11:00:41 see /topic there Mar 28 11:00:44 k Mar 28 11:01:44 ah ok http://shr-project.org is like a different OS compared to maemo Mar 28 11:01:44 k Mar 28 11:48:51 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/28/nokia_pure/ <-- what exactly is the point? Mar 28 11:51:49 ruskie: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ttf-nokiapure/ Mar 28 12:17:55 Wow Mar 28 12:18:01 So Nokia really decided to commit suicide, eh? Mar 28 12:18:54 :) Mar 28 12:19:12 I really don't think this is a change to the worse: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/pure_devices.png Mar 28 12:22:03 OMG, NOKIA GOT A NEW PHONE Mar 28 12:22:10 s/PHONE/FONT/ Mar 28 12:22:10 crashanddie meant: OMG, NOKIA GOT A NEW FONT Mar 28 12:24:52 Who thought anyone could ever get Bruno Maag to create a new font... But look... http://www.identifont.com/show?3WE Mar 28 12:25:06 "New identity, new font". Nokia managed to buy a 10 year old font, sweet job, ladies. Mar 28 12:25:32 http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_taceye_lt.html#features Mar 28 12:31:27 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/28/review_gasget_zomm_/ <-- hmm Mar 28 12:31:33 the lower-case e renders quite differently on my natty than what it appears like in the images Mar 28 12:32:29 I question if your average 'man in the street' actually cares about fonts. Mar 28 12:33:31 flux: looks like goddamn WP7. Mar 28 12:33:39 well the man in this office rather likes the pure font. Mar 28 12:34:49 generalantilles, and the old font looks like.. goddamn symbian :( Mar 28 12:34:58 flux, which is worse, really. :) Mar 28 12:50:04 so, auto comp edit is a great app Mar 28 12:50:25 * timeless_xchat wonders if it's in extras Mar 28 12:54:51 can anyone post their imei so I can download the N900 emmc image? :D Mar 28 12:55:24 in a query Mar 28 12:55:30 why don't you take out the battery gtom your n900? Mar 28 12:56:20 or if running just read it in the product info under settings? Mar 28 12:56:20 cause I just got it set up for flashing and forgot about that stupid requirement Mar 28 12:56:46 erm... what's there to setup? Mar 28 12:56:50 oh wait, it'll accept any N900 IMEI? Mar 28 12:56:59 I have my bro's unit Mar 28 12:57:07 why not just read your own again? Mar 28 12:57:08 so can I just enter its imei? Mar 28 12:57:23 but yeah just needs to be a valid n900 imei Mar 28 12:57:26 any n900 imei will work Mar 28 12:58:24 that's because I just got it into flashing mode Mar 28 12:58:30 thanks guys Mar 28 12:59:03 start flasher with n900 unplugged -> plugin -> flashes Mar 28 12:59:12 atleast that always worked for me Mar 28 13:01:53 and I gotta flash the whole device for just formatting the internal memory partition to NTFS for a second Mar 28 13:02:34 and it's refusing to read the internal memory even after formatting back to FAT32 Mar 28 13:08:42 i have a weird charging issue with my N900, it can only be charged using the connectivity cable Mar 28 13:09:28 http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2056608&cid=35636896 Mar 28 13:12:42 true Mar 28 13:14:14 haha :D Mar 28 13:22:01 I hate that Slashdot comments don't have the year in the header. Mar 28 13:26:21 aye Mar 28 13:26:55 i hate that i can't get back to the old /. view where i could do , , Mar 28 13:27:00 or something like that Mar 28 13:30:55 afternoon Mar 28 13:31:19 Indeed. Mar 28 13:32:33 'noon Mar 28 13:35:07 Have we just had a weekend, seems to have slipped by Mar 28 13:35:35 ah, I missed the Council handover meeting, I take it everything went well? Mar 28 13:40:11 why did maemo never gain popularity even with Nokia Mar 28 13:40:30 lardman, we voted and you're out. Sorry. Mar 28 13:42:01 out of the community? :) Mar 28 13:42:08 are there other devices running maemo ? Mar 28 13:42:54 other than the Nokia ones, nope Mar 28 13:44:42 ah, finally a version of Powerpoint that allows you to open files in different windows Mar 28 13:44:57 now, let's wonder when M$ finally realise this would also be useful in Excel Mar 28 13:56:32 will meego be coming to the n900 ? Mar 28 13:57:07 not officially, but there is an adaptation effort ongoing funded by Nokia Mar 28 13:59:19 lardman: the n900 is a very good device it would be a shame if it is the end of the line for Nokia Mar 28 14:02:08 welcome, captain obvious Mar 28 14:07:10 is anybody familar with the mobile hotspot program, the gui does not work and the command line works maybe 62% of the time Mar 28 14:08:57 62%? Mar 28 14:09:12 that's a nifty number Mar 28 14:09:13 sounds specific Mar 28 14:11:11 OMG, LOL got into oxforddict Mar 28 14:11:16 Clearly extensive testing has been conducted. Mar 28 14:11:26 It's truly the end of the world. Mar 28 14:12:30 i knew it would get something Mar 28 14:12:53 It's getting you on our nerves, that's what. Mar 28 14:13:04 * GAN900 needs to add tab again. Mar 28 14:13:31 crashanddie: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12095 Mar 28 14:13:33 Bug 12095: addtogroup writes two past the end of members Mar 28 14:13:37 OMGOMGOMG Mar 28 14:13:39 [its funny. laugh] Mar 28 14:14:53 (OMG first official appearance in a letter to(/of?) Churchil Mar 28 14:16:16 Heya ! Mar 28 14:16:17 crashaddie: calm down my question was about mobile hotspot startup issues not some arbitrary number Mar 28 14:17:40 an0therb0x, at least pretend to type my nickname correctly? Mar 28 14:17:46 an0therb0x: general hint, in science you aren't supposed to offer more digits than for whicih you have precision Mar 28 14:17:57 s/cih/ch/ Mar 28 14:17:57 timeless_office meant: an0therb0x: general hint, in science you aren't supposed to offer more digits than for which you have precision Mar 28 14:18:33 seems that nokia messaging is on life support now. e7 does not even have mailbox configuration option for that. Mar 28 14:20:56 timeless_office: that's for sure true for decimals, but what's about the ones left of decimal ? Mar 28 14:21:39 maybe 0.06 k% Mar 28 14:21:50 ;-P Mar 28 14:22:26 seem like % isn't supposed to have any magnitude generally Mar 28 14:22:47 timeless_office: is anybody familiar with the mobile hotspot program, the gui does not work and the command line works sometimes Mar 28 14:23:05 i've only seen it mentioned a couple of times here Mar 28 14:23:08 but iirc you bought it Mar 28 14:23:15 which means you can ask for support from the vendor Mar 28 14:23:41 isn't mobile hotspot FOSS? Mar 28 14:23:59 maybe you're mixing that with joghurtsport? Mar 28 14:24:00 it is Mar 28 14:25:32 (which aiui is like running cygwin under winXP in a vbox on linux) Mar 28 14:26:33 heh Mar 28 14:26:44 x-fade: ping Mar 28 14:26:55 i tried searching maemo.org/download for Auto Comp Edit Mar 28 14:27:03 and failed miserably. is there some trick to it? Mar 28 14:27:31 timeless_office: Use google? Mar 28 14:27:38 yeah :-P Mar 28 14:27:40 ... Mar 28 14:28:33 site:maemo.org/download Auto comp edit Mar 28 14:28:50 Your search - site:maemo.org/download Auto comp edit - did not match any documents. Mar 28 14:29:18 i'm not getting the hit i want Mar 28 14:29:29 i want to find out if it's in extras or needs a vote out of testing Mar 28 14:31:22 timeless_office: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=comp&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same Mar 28 14:31:28 http://maemo.org/packages/view/autocompleteeditor/ Mar 28 14:32:35 timeless_office: and with google : site:maemo.org/packages auto complete editor Mar 28 14:33:33 timeless_office: maemo.org/download contain only extras, and autothingeditor is available in testing and devel only :) Mar 28 14:33:42 but you know that Mar 28 14:34:02 i don't use /download -- so i have no idea what's in it :) Mar 28 14:34:10 and i haven't used /packages in nearly a year? Mar 28 14:34:49 WTF?! Mar 28 14:35:33 ok, haven't used it this year? :) Mar 28 14:36:03 khertan: how did you construct that obfuscated URL? Mar 28 14:36:15 timeless_offic, packages. Mar 28 14:38:42 khertan: smells like SQL-injection Mar 28 14:39:00 DocScrutinizer: lol Mar 28 14:39:49 DocScrutinizer: it s just that for a simple search the maemo site is really complex for nothing :) Mar 28 14:40:50 I'd like to replace LIKE by maybe PURGE Mar 28 14:41:10 sth along that line Mar 28 14:42:18 anyway I don't see what you entered to that silly search mask to get that URL Mar 28 14:42:38 is there any 'advanced search' or sth? Mar 28 14:44:41 * khertan crash lmde gnome session Mar 28 14:44:42 :( Mar 28 15:30:29 hello. someone knows, why my espeak from mappero is russian? i want to have englisch/german Mar 28 15:37:39 how can I enable fremantle extras for maemo-sdk ? (scratchbox) Mar 28 15:37:42 I created a Qt app, I installed the .deb on N900. It installed successfully and is shown in the installed applications Mar 28 15:37:51 But I am not able to run it Mar 28 15:37:55 No option is there Mar 28 15:38:03 it is not available in the menu Mar 28 15:38:12 eichi: hehe Mar 28 15:38:14 how can it be run Mar 28 15:38:15 ? Mar 28 15:40:21 DocScrutinizer? Mar 28 15:41:03 eichi: I'm just amused about russian mappero Mar 28 15:42:08 halin: cli? Mar 28 15:42:16 DocScrutinizer51: ++ Mar 28 15:42:51 chem|st: I wrote in the terminal, but it says file not found Mar 28 15:43:03 optified? Mar 28 15:43:17 as /opt/usr/bin/ is not in $PATH Mar 28 15:44:35 a symlink from /usr/bin to /opt/foo//* missing. Mar 28 15:44:48 permissions not set +x Mar 28 15:44:57 chem|st: I ran ./opt/usr/bin/, still the same error Mar 28 15:45:22 halin: is it there? Mar 28 15:45:23 hmm did you ls -l it? Mar 28 15:45:41 ./opt looks odd Mar 28 15:45:49 DocScrutinizer51: ls -l ? Mar 28 15:45:59 ugh Mar 28 15:45:59 ./opt/* does only work wif your starting path is / Mar 28 15:46:36 halin: sorry but don't you know about shell? Mar 28 15:46:53 how did you write that app? Mar 28 15:47:17 DocScrutinizer51: I mean what is the use of ls -l there ? Mar 28 15:47:32 halin: to see if it is there Mar 28 15:47:53 to show 'is it there' ande also the permissions Mar 28 15:47:54 ~ls Mar 28 15:47:55 bash: ls: permission denied Mar 28 15:48:18 ~botsnack Mar 28 15:48:18 thanks, chem|st Mar 28 15:48:41 :) Mar 28 15:49:29 ls -l lists the name, but no directory names are there Mar 28 15:49:33 only some rwrwww Mar 28 15:49:39 and busybox Mar 28 15:51:20 halin: the rwrwww reads like rwxrwxrwx 1r=Readable by owner 1w=Writeable by owner 1x= eXecute by owner; 2rwx = by group; 3rwx = by all Mar 28 15:51:36 if there is no x at all it is not executable Mar 28 15:52:13 chem|st: I mean I ran ls -l in /opt/usr/bin Mar 28 15:52:31 like rw-r----- means read/write if owner read if in group Mar 28 15:52:31 chem|st: a long list came in which none contained any apps name Mar 28 15:53:29 does the latest maemo build for the n900 support tx in pfmon in the wireless driver? Mar 28 15:53:41 you do not see the full list as the entries are like Mar 28 15:53:51 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1188 2008-07-26 17:37 zipgrep Mar 28 15:54:25 the last bit is the file's name... Mar 28 15:55:07 halin: you may do ls -l /opt/usr/bin/ | grep Mar 28 15:55:30 should only give one line of result Mar 28 15:59:55 * chem|st vanishes in a cloud of coffee and office dust Mar 28 16:11:08 zeusone Mar 28 16:11:41 * DocScrutinizer sighs Mar 28 16:13:01 * DocScrutinizer frowns at I created a Qt app, I installed the .deb on N900<< and wonders how easy it seems to be to create a Qt app and install the .deb Mar 28 16:14:44 halin: try `find / -name ` Mar 28 16:15:17 halin: try `find / -name '**' ` actually Mar 28 16:22:55 how can I send a message to a maemo.org member? (zeusone) Mar 28 16:25:36 arcol, you know the n900 has an accelerometer? Mar 28 16:26:01 arcol, simply put your phone down on a table, and tap his username as morse code Mar 28 16:26:09 it'll open a chat window with hi Mar 28 16:26:10 him Mar 28 16:26:21 hang on, there's a youtube video showing an old proof of concept Mar 28 16:26:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 Mar 28 16:27:36 arcol: type his name in the PM recipient box... it has auto lookup, tap his name in a thread "msg to " should show if available Mar 28 16:28:59 can I exit the masse storage mode without unpluging and plugins in again the usb? Mar 28 16:29:45 probably by unmounting/remounting Mar 28 16:30:07 i think from the statusbar menu Mar 28 16:33:05 eichi Mar 28 16:33:45 Maybe the script /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh can help Mar 28 16:36:19 there is no button in status bar. its just a non-clickable field Mar 28 16:37:15 Nokia said it was impossible (lol) in some bug Mar 28 16:37:29 though I'm pretty sure it's possible, I just lack the C/Gtk skills Mar 28 16:37:59 actually, GLib, Gtk's easy Mar 28 16:45:42 crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=931352#post931352 Mar 28 16:45:49 crashanddie: I dont see any PM button Mar 28 16:45:54 maybe my registration is not complete Mar 28 16:46:13 how many message do you have on TMO? Mar 28 17:00:16 crashanddie: 0 Mar 28 17:00:31 arcol, I mean, how many posts have you made, 0? Mar 28 17:01:05 PM ? yes, 0. To the forum: 2 Mar 28 17:01:20 You need 5 or 10 for PM to be activated Mar 28 17:01:30 So you'll have to be a bit more active Mar 28 17:01:42 And patient, or find another way to communicate Mar 28 17:10:54 DocScrutinizer: find shows my apps name Mar 28 17:11:02 DocScrutinizer: it is in share Mar 28 17:11:16 DocScrutinizer: but it just scrolls down every file name in the / Mar 28 17:11:36 DocScrutinizer: so I am not able to get where exactly the file is Mar 28 17:14:35 what are you trying to do? Mar 28 17:17:21 MohammadAG: I have installed my app on N900. But it doesn't appear in the menus Mar 28 17:17:45 MohammadAG: so I tried find / -name ** Mar 28 17:18:09 you need a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon Mar 28 17:18:25 the binary isn't enough for an icon obviously Mar 28 17:18:59 MohammadAG: ok, but as now I have installed it as is, how can I run it Mar 28 17:19:27 execute the binary from terminal Mar 28 17:20:12 MohammadAG: I wrote , but it says: file not found Mar 28 17:22:08 find /opt -name myapp Mar 28 17:22:29 /path/to/myapp Mar 28 17:28:07 then it's not in $PATH Mar 28 17:28:11 how did you install it? Mar 28 17:28:54 hi Mar 28 17:31:35 MohammadAG: [2011-03-28 17:33:45] I created a Qt app, I installed the .deb on N900. It installed successfully and is shown in the installed applications Mar 28 17:43:07 good afternoon guys Mar 28 18:04:52 holy shit @ opera Mar 28 18:04:57 63 Mar 28 18:05:08 MohammadAG, what about it? Mar 28 18:05:35 that clown dude is so sad Mar 28 18:05:42 makes me cry Mar 28 18:05:50 oh, not that opera? Mar 28 18:07:56 mece, it's awesome Mar 28 18:08:03 it quite is. Mar 28 18:08:18 they killed checkboards while scrolling Mar 28 18:08:29 yeah Mar 28 18:08:44 but password fields have cap first letter, and I can't manage getting a linefeed in textareas. Mar 28 18:08:46 all thing considered, i prefer their buttons that appear at times over the checkboard execution Mar 28 18:08:51 Did bugreports Mar 28 18:09:02 the zoom buttons as well as the jump to top/bottom/edge Mar 28 18:14:29 mece: seems all my pw fields on maemo had autocapitalisation until I disabled it globally Mar 28 18:14:48 not a problem in ff or microB Mar 28 18:14:56 which admittedly been 14months ago Mar 28 18:15:54 the only annoying thing with opera is the missing flash support so youtube won't play Mar 28 18:20:21 there's a standalone app for that :) Mar 28 18:20:58 yeah, yeah, draw attention from the fact that the browser *you* made is not fast enough for our needs! Mar 28 18:21:33 ? Mar 28 18:21:44 this is for people who try to use Opera and discover it lacks Flash support Mar 28 18:21:50 unlike the native browser which supports Flash ootb :) Mar 28 18:21:56 people only use opera because microB is slow Mar 28 18:22:13 and i blame YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU Mar 28 18:22:16 and only you Mar 28 18:22:22 because you're the only microB dev that i know Mar 28 18:22:54 heh Mar 28 18:23:11 actually, i haven't really found opera to be faster Mar 28 18:23:29 it has better tab behavior because its engineers have more freedom than our engineers had Mar 28 18:24:33 arguably it has better bookmarks behavior Mar 28 18:24:37 although in practice i don't use it Mar 28 18:24:42 and again, this is not the fault of the engineers Mar 28 18:24:50 we were instructed not to work on bookmarks, so we didn't Mar 28 18:25:11 opera's double tap zoom behavior generally fails ime (unlike microb) Mar 28 18:25:27 MicroB is mostly awesome. Mar 28 18:25:37 circle to zoom FTW Mar 28 18:25:58 of note, opera's recent on screen zoom buttons really are a good improvement over whatever it had before Mar 28 18:26:03 not perfect, but much improved Mar 28 18:26:12 There are some real annoyances for me, mostly by design. Mar 28 18:26:26 microb lets me access the real google reader on the go, so i <3 microb Mar 28 18:26:29 most of microb's faults are either management or management when it comes down to it Mar 28 18:26:31 and i also <3 timeless_office Mar 28 18:26:34 :) Mar 28 18:26:45 microb would be faster if we were allowed to ship updates Mar 28 18:26:48 the mobile version is just... bad Mar 28 18:26:55 we have gecko working much better these days Mar 28 18:26:56 but... Mar 28 18:27:10 timeless_office: For no reason you can expand on, I assume. Mar 28 18:27:18 timeless_office: MohammadAG is that way -> Mar 28 18:27:24 speedevil: the browser ispart of a product Mar 28 18:27:33 and the product only releases w/ release vehicles Mar 28 18:27:40 w/o a release vehicle... you can't get out the door Mar 28 18:27:58 put slighlty differently Mar 28 18:28:05 I note that Nokia just released a font. Can I have it with that? :) Mar 28 18:28:10 the IE team can't release a new feature for IE6 just because it wants to Mar 28 18:28:26 (or for IE7 or IE8 or even IE9 for that matter) Mar 28 18:28:44 it has to arrange for the feature or whatever to be packaged together w/ whatever else is waiting in whatever the next available release vehicle is Mar 28 18:28:51 for the IE team, that was IE9 recently Mar 28 18:28:56 * timeless_office isn't sure what their next vehicle is Mar 28 18:29:10 A clown car? Mar 28 18:29:25 you're a car clown Mar 28 18:29:27 aww, be nice. they sent us(mozilla) a cake Mar 28 18:29:43 cake :O Mar 28 18:29:47 http://www.techspot.com/news/42945-microsoft-sends-mozilla-another-cake-for-firefox-4-release.html Mar 28 18:29:56 :p Mar 28 18:29:59 Mmmm. Mar 28 18:30:05 kerio, didn't quite get that :P Mar 28 18:30:13 i think im still using a RC of firefox4 xD Mar 28 18:30:21 MohammadAG: you know, CSSU Mar 28 18:30:27 please update microB :( Mar 28 18:30:38 hrm appently not Mar 28 18:30:42 pronto: if you're using rc2, that *is* ff4 Mar 28 18:30:51 that's the thing about release candidates :) Mar 28 18:30:57 * SpeedEvil updates after FF crashes. Mar 28 18:31:04 This means I'm still on RC1. Mar 28 18:31:04 i've been using firefox4 since the second or third beta lol Mar 28 18:31:08 * SpeedEvil grumbles. Mar 28 18:31:10 speedevil: so ... Mar 28 18:31:13 update though each beta xD Mar 28 18:31:15 kerio, I doubt timeless_office will ship us better sources for gecko Mar 28 18:31:24 It's better than it was - it was crashing daily for me. Mar 28 18:31:26 pgo builds to, compile time was no fun D: Mar 28 18:31:31 timeless_office: pweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease Mar 28 18:31:33 but then again, I might be wrong Mar 28 18:31:39 the main reason we shipped rc2 was released was to include certificate revocation notations Mar 28 18:31:43 for things like mail.google.com Mar 28 18:31:52 disregard NDAs, ship source code Mar 28 18:31:56 you kinda really really want to be running ff4 instead of rc1 Mar 28 18:32:12 binaries would be fine Mar 28 18:32:21 but gecko's foss so... Mar 28 18:32:30 mohammadag: so. microb's source is in the repositories Mar 28 18:32:31 i suppose the glue is the problem Mar 28 18:32:42 in theory you can try to merge forward Mar 28 18:32:43 oh, even better Mar 28 18:32:44 i haven't tried it Mar 28 18:32:55 timeless_office: Surely the cerificate revocation only hits if you manage to get on a network with compromised DNS? Mar 28 18:32:55 but if you have problems, you can ask romaxa for help Mar 28 18:32:56 err, what? Mar 28 18:33:00 microb's closed Mar 28 18:33:16 mohammadag: microb is mostly gecko + a tiny wrapper Mar 28 18:33:28 and the gecko portion is definitely open Mar 28 18:33:38 that would be browserd, yes? Mar 28 18:33:48 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/microb-engine/ Mar 28 18:33:49 how hard would it be to clone the browser ui actually? Mar 28 18:33:59 mohammadag: well Mar 28 18:34:11 there's an open impl of a basic browserd client somewhere Mar 28 18:34:16 bookmarks are piss easy I guess Mar 28 18:34:18 which is more or less what the tutorial uses Mar 28 18:34:34 if you want the neteal client bits, that might cost a bit more resources Mar 28 18:34:43 but. you might be able to manage it in 2 months Mar 28 18:34:52 MohammadAG: I think the best bet would be eve browser Mar 28 18:34:55 I was thinking a 1:1 clone Mar 28 18:35:13 well, you'd probably do it evolutionary Mar 28 18:35:20 start by taking the open browser-eal client Mar 28 18:35:33 getting that running, then evolve to switch to neteal Mar 28 18:35:58 from there you can start being magical about how you do things Mar 28 18:36:15 i wouldn't call it impossible Mar 28 18:36:31 note that the reason we have bookmarks is mostly to let the user see something while gecko laods Mar 28 18:36:34 s/laods/loads/ Mar 28 18:36:35 timeless_office meant: note that the reason we have bookmarks is mostly to let the user see something while gecko loads Mar 28 18:36:42 it isn't because bookmarks are important Mar 28 18:36:46 it's a form of a splash screen Mar 28 18:36:51 I remember opening a bug about that Mar 28 18:36:58 and you closed it :) Mar 28 18:37:17 misdirection is important Mar 28 18:37:23 it makes the user feel better Mar 28 18:38:00 I complained that about:blank takes time to load, obviously because of engine load time Mar 28 18:38:03 meh, irc lagging Mar 28 18:38:54 remind me how the iPhone covers that crap up... Mar 28 18:39:02 * timeless_office shrugs Mar 28 18:44:06 Hi! Do anyone here have any experience of rapairing a hardware failure on a nokia n900? Mar 28 18:44:23 you spill your coffee in the keyboard? Mar 28 18:44:44 I dropped my n900 in a puddle Mar 28 18:44:45 :( Mar 28 18:44:55 I now the screen doesn't work Mar 28 18:44:57 take the battery out imediatly Mar 28 18:45:01 I know Mar 28 18:45:03 how long ago was this? Mar 28 18:45:05 I did that Mar 28 18:45:09 Thursday :P Mar 28 18:45:12 heh Mar 28 18:45:30 well, a puddle is better than the ocean I guess Mar 28 18:45:37 did you do anything to try to dry it out? Mar 28 18:45:43 put it in a bag of rice Mar 28 18:45:45 I removed the battery as soon as I found it from the puddle Mar 28 18:46:08 And then I put everything to peices Mar 28 18:46:18 how does it look? Mar 28 18:46:20 and then I dried it Mar 28 18:46:36 maybe you just put it back together incorrectly Mar 28 18:46:38 I'd put it in rice for a day or two Mar 28 18:46:39 Bag of rice is not helpful. Mar 28 18:46:46 "Hoping to distance itself from itself, Nokia's got a brand new bagNokia Pure, which looks sort of like the old Sans injected with Helvetica hormones." Mar 28 18:46:57 didn't connect the video ribon cable correctly Mar 28 18:46:57 Oven at 50C or so for a week. Mar 28 18:47:10 Screen doesn't work, but at first try I got it to work with going in USB mode and then it started up, the screen was flickering alot but everything seemed to work besides that Mar 28 18:47:24 How long did you dry it? Mar 28 18:47:34 Long time Mar 28 18:47:41 At what temperature? Mar 28 18:47:47 I'd say the ribbon cable Mar 28 18:47:49 I was shure it was dry when i tried Mar 28 18:47:56 Don't know SpeedEvil Mar 28 18:48:08 about 30 degrees celcuis or so Mar 28 18:48:18 Nirtal: Consider that tehre are 0.25mm spaces in there under chips. That have to dry from the edges in. Mar 28 18:48:28 yes Mar 28 18:48:32 Meanwhile: "James Gosling, the father of Java, has joined Google" Mar 28 18:48:52 I made shure everything was dry. Mar 28 18:49:33 But now the screen doesn't work. And I tried connecting it to my tv and it didn't work there either Mar 28 18:49:57 But it seems to start up and stuff couse I hear the 'login' sounds Mar 28 18:50:09 i think the device won't start up if the ribbon's borked Mar 28 18:50:09 ask DocScrutinizer about that, he broke his Mar 28 18:50:23 ribbon? Mar 28 18:50:29 a ribbon cable Mar 28 18:50:32 ah Mar 28 18:50:32 :P Mar 28 18:51:14 They don't seem to be broken, and as I told. Even with the tv-calbe it doesn't work Mar 28 18:51:36 try x11vnc? Mar 28 18:51:53 well, you seem to like arguing and rejecting good advice Mar 28 18:51:57 hmm, no I havn't Mar 28 18:52:16 I'm sorry Mar 28 18:52:41 I will try to get to it with ssh/vnc Mar 28 18:53:45 if the device is wet (and it is until maybe a week after event, even when sitting in a warm place with air moving) the you'll ruin it by powering it up or even inserting battery Mar 28 18:54:14 AV doesn't work when ribbon is broken Mar 28 18:54:15 Was it a clean puddle, on a road which had not been salted? Mar 28 18:54:15 yes Mar 28 18:54:21 oh Mar 28 18:54:48 SpeedEvil no, it was in a puddle in a sandbox Mar 28 18:55:08 it can take ages to get water out from under the chips Mar 28 18:56:06 but, as stated above, seems you don't want to hear these things, so... Mar 28 18:56:54 Stop scaring poor guy. Or at least tell him it has been radioactive water. Mar 28 18:57:02 )= Mar 28 18:57:33 I'm sorry if I sounded bitchy DocScrutinizer, I'm lissening now Mar 28 18:58:12 Proteous: the bag of rice is the most silly story/idea you probably can have Mar 28 18:59:01 Consider if rice gets soggy if you leave it out. Mar 28 19:00:10 ok, it seem to connect to my wlan atleast Mar 28 19:01:16 But ssh isn't started as default Mar 28 19:02:01 Nirtal: I guess your FPC (ribbon cable) is broken Mar 28 19:02:14 ok Mar 28 19:02:28 SpeedEvil, why is a bag of rice not helpful? Mar 28 19:02:28 check if LED and proxy sensor still work Mar 28 19:02:42 and camera (yeah I know) Mar 28 19:02:55 what is that rice supposed to do? Mar 28 19:03:07 same as the pack of slica in electronics Mar 28 19:03:10 lcuk: It doesn't reduce humidity much, if at all. Mar 28 19:03:14 removes mosture from the air Mar 28 19:03:40 lcuk: And if it does, evaporation at ambient temperature does not proceed fast. Mar 28 19:03:50 bs, tha pack of silica will be saturated after 4 weeks at free air. Rice is like years at free air Mar 28 19:04:10 so rice isn't better than no rice? Mar 28 19:04:17 not at all Mar 28 19:04:21 it's even worse Mar 28 19:04:25 ... Mar 28 19:04:31 why is that? Mar 28 19:04:37 Rice stops air circulation. Mar 28 19:04:45 A) debris in device B) no air movement Mar 28 19:05:07 what if you put it in a rice cooker with rice and turn it on? Mar 28 19:05:14 then you also get tasty rice at the end Mar 28 19:05:23 mmm rice n chips Mar 28 19:05:51 DocScrutinizer what do you mean by LED and proxy? LED = the two camare leds ? Mar 28 19:06:08 SpeedEvil, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiccant Mar 28 19:06:08 last dude who tried the rice nonsense refused to eat it, as he expected some chemicals come out of the broken bupbat in N900 Mar 28 19:06:25 Nirtal: indicator LED Mar 28 19:06:34 breathing light Mar 28 19:06:46 charging light Mar 28 19:06:51 Yes, it works Mar 28 19:07:13 for the rest you at very least need ssh access Mar 28 19:07:31 but honestly I'd dry it properly for another 7 days Mar 28 19:07:38 yeah, to bad it doesn't start when I start the phone :( Mar 28 19:07:44 at ~50°C Mar 28 19:07:50 ok Mar 28 19:08:23 usually it does if it's installed Mar 28 19:08:45 DocScrutinizer, so 50C is safe? Mar 28 19:08:52 but you might have that "please enter country, date, time" requester that stops proper bootup Mar 28 19:09:02 MohammadAG: sure Mar 28 19:09:58 hmm, can't figure out where to put it for that's 50c :P Mar 28 19:10:10 PC fan Mar 28 19:10:20 cloths dryer Mar 28 19:10:33 just wrap it in bubble wrap Mar 28 19:10:42 good airflow too Mar 28 19:10:44 :P Mar 28 19:10:48 cloths dryer? :P Mar 28 19:11:08 Proteous: you're not exactly helpful, with the missing tags Mar 28 19:11:15 heh, sorry Mar 28 19:11:52 just unhook the dryer belt so it doesn't rotate :P Mar 28 19:12:21 you know what would work good, a food dehydrator, for making dried fruit and jerky and whatnot Mar 28 19:12:35 and at the end you also have tasty snakcs Mar 28 19:12:35 Ok, now I put it on my pc:s fan, where it blows out Mar 28 19:12:37 snacks Mar 28 19:12:43 Proteous: now the missing joke tags bite your own ass Mar 28 19:13:18 and I'm starting to get bored of it Mar 28 19:13:32 okay Mar 28 19:13:37 DocScrutinizer do you think it will work in 7 days or are you skeptical? Mar 28 19:13:57 Proteous: the FPC usually breaks on the 3 layer B2B-connector at end Mar 28 19:14:07 so I'm sceptical Mar 28 19:15:14 they soldered a rigid B2B connector to one side of a flexible plastic PCB, and a semi rigid 'jumper'-PCB on the other side Mar 28 19:15:32 slight bending and the solder joints go POP Mar 28 19:16:02 has anyone recent success with a last.fm client on 900 running fremantle Mar 28 19:16:24 * DocScrutinizer is wondering since ~8 months now if this can get fixed by a flat-iron Mar 28 19:16:34 yes. you will need to get a unique key from the last.fm Mar 28 19:19:37 any recommendations on client or is scrobbler the best choice? Mar 28 19:20:56 Nirtal: http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html otherwise Mar 28 19:24:52 SpeedEvil: X-P http://www.ownta.com/nokia-3g-n8-n900-c6-series-new-bga-stencil.html Mar 28 19:29:24 Doc: More fun btw: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1301313213P.pdf Mar 28 19:31:54 Nirtal: OTOH (sceptical) there's been http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-26.log.html#t2011-03-26T11:41:49 Mar 28 19:34:04 Nirtal: and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-26.log.html#t2011-03-26T12:22:17 Mar 28 19:38:26 RST38h: those idiots. it's 1Sv/h, not 1000Sv/h Mar 28 19:38:48 they missed the 'm' Mar 28 19:38:50 It is an official report though Mar 28 19:39:07 How likely it is that they will miss 'm' in the official document? Mar 28 19:39:10 DocScrutinizer do you know if he got it working? Mar 28 19:39:44 read the log until and including 2nd link posted above Mar 28 19:39:57 RST38h: quite likely, considering all the other typos Mar 28 19:40:04 yea... Mar 28 19:40:06 might be permanently broken meanwhile Mar 28 19:44:03 ok, he got it working by starting X manual what I could understand Mar 28 19:46:09 RST38h: >> Water found in the turbine building of unit-2 contains radioactive material 100000 times as much as radioactive material contained in water in the reactor at normal operation and radioactivity of water surface is more than 1000mSv/hr. Also water found in the turbine building of unit-1 and unit-3 contains radioactive material, which is 1000 times as much. (04:20, March 28) << Now all is clear, no? ;-P Mar 28 19:46:26 Yeah Mar 28 19:46:44 Long live the meltdown! Mar 28 19:46:44 so the 1000Sv/h apply to #1 and #3 only :-P Mar 28 19:47:04 How refershing! Mar 28 19:47:41 (based on my take on the "...which is 1000 times as much [as in #2]" ) Mar 28 19:48:01 http://www.amazon.com/USB-Micro-Female-Male-Adaptor/dp/B0023FTRUO Mar 28 19:48:06 but I can't acces my phone with ssh to try start x manual )= Mar 28 19:48:08 read the 3rd review Mar 28 19:48:19 dude says he has usb-host working on the n900 Mar 28 19:48:59 i didn't think that we could do host mode on the n900 Mar 28 19:49:15 ~hostmode Mar 28 19:49:15 from memory, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 Mar 28 19:49:47 trip0: you've been living in a cave? ;-D Mar 28 19:50:44 ...ain't we all... Mar 28 19:51:07 prolly Mar 28 19:51:16 even: Mar 28 19:51:22 ~hostmode-powered Mar 28 19:51:22 hostmode-powered is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 Mar 28 19:59:13 DocScrutinizer: Anyway - the radioactivity is overstated, and can be easily fixed. You just need to cover the reactor in rice. Mar 28 19:59:40 LOL Mar 28 19:59:54 ~dict LOL Mar 28 19:59:57 Dictionary 'LOL' (2): Laughing Out Loud (telecommunication-slang, Usenet, IRC) ;; "laughing out loud", or "lots of love" or "luck". (2003-07-29). Mar 28 20:00:31 DocScrutinizer: neat (stencil) Mar 28 20:00:41 rice absorbs radiation? Mar 28 20:00:48 hmm, seems infobot has missed to keep her oxford dictionary up to date Mar 28 20:01:22 trip0: In the same way it absorbs humidity. Mar 28 20:01:44 SpeedEvil: I think it's even better at radiation Mar 28 20:02:26 ~dict gtfo Mar 28 20:02:28 could not find definition for gtfo Mar 28 20:03:07 vldcnst: haven't noticed gtfo being included to latest oxford dictionary Mar 28 20:03:17 It should! Mar 28 20:03:57 But then we'll have the attack of the killer rice monsters. Mar 28 20:04:16 will take some time. OMG is, since yesterday (iiuc) and that's witnessed in a letter to Churchil Mar 28 20:05:36 GAN900: It seems in Netherlands a lot of tomatoes and other veggies are sterilized by cobalt-60 hard gamma. Radiation levels like 10Sv/min Mar 28 20:06:01 Doc: Did he use the prudish OMG or the moreappropriate OMFG? Mar 28 20:06:45 Nice Mar 28 20:06:59 A service dude went into this concrete bunker to fix something with the carrying belt, and they had a hard time get him out, even his corpse I should say Mar 28 20:07:05 Doc: Gamma sterilization is actually a pretty standard procedure, for milk products as well. Nothing to worry about, as there is no traces of radiation Mar 28 20:08:49 above story just hearsay (about the service dude), but iirc he didn't make it out again, so radiation must have been FSCKNG high Mar 28 20:09:36 RST38h: yeah, I know Mar 28 20:10:06 gamma doesn't create many unstable isotopes Mar 28 20:10:39 still I don't want to eat those things Mar 28 20:10:49 Better than chemical sterilization Mar 28 20:10:56 yeah, maybe Mar 28 20:12:05 in those fruits there's definitely NO life, not even any virus anymore Mar 28 20:12:31 I am fine eating them, sorry :) Mar 28 20:12:40 ehh Mar 28 20:12:45 my failing usb port has failed Mar 28 20:12:53 hmm, you'll proly missing a lot of complex molecules Mar 28 20:13:21 molecules will be fine, andI suspect that some viruses too Mar 28 20:13:41 I guess ultrahard gamma doesn't only bash DNA into chunks Mar 28 20:13:52 what i can do now Mar 28 20:14:09 Well it will[eventually] destroy a lot of things like plastics, but not right away Mar 28 20:14:13 nope, gamma sterilization definitely kills viruses (virii?) Mar 28 20:14:22 virii I guess Mar 28 20:14:26 viruses are dead Mar 28 20:15:00 You also do not want any light metals (like aluminium) in its way =) Mar 28 20:15:17 but my usb port is a problem Mar 28 20:15:21 not some radiation Mar 28 20:15:34 hah, tepco anouced today(!) they found Pu in 5 soil probes taken a week ago Mar 28 20:16:09 that brings the question what we don't know yet Mar 28 20:16:23 but how do i fix my phone Mar 28 20:16:28 all the rest, I suppose Mar 28 20:16:58 jacekowski: what's wrong? resolder USB receptacle? Mar 28 20:17:07 nah, it's still there Mar 28 20:17:09 just not working Mar 28 20:17:15 resolder it Mar 28 20:17:24 and void my warranty Mar 28 20:17:35 or first check contacts with a mag glass Mar 28 20:17:35 and it doesn't feel wobbly Mar 28 20:18:01 SpeedEvil found some debris in his receptacle Mar 28 20:18:20 how long does it take for nokia to repair it? Mar 28 20:18:20 others had bent contacts Mar 28 20:18:35 as usual, as all does. 4-8w Mar 28 20:33:41 (gamma virus kill) usually those cobalt-60 sterilizaers are used for medical equipment like syringes etc. Should kill virus, or it'd be too bad Mar 28 20:35:01 Doc: Dunno, the industrial ones (of which I have seen pictures) used to sterilize foodstuffs are too large and evil looking for your average hospital Mar 28 20:37:17 hmmm Mar 28 20:38:53 RST38h: [STERILE][R] -> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Surgical_gloves_05.JPG&filetimestamp=20080511161655 Mar 28 20:39:16 R as in Radiation Mar 28 20:40:08 hmm Mar 28 20:40:15 that pcb around the camera Mar 28 20:40:20 is it glued? Mar 28 20:43:15 yep, doublesided sticky Mar 28 20:43:24 hard to get off but feasible Mar 28 20:43:50 watch the friggin FPC to main PCB! Mar 28 20:45:06 fpc? Mar 28 20:45:09 ah Mar 28 20:45:12 that thing Mar 28 20:48:55 yeah, it's really like that! integral part of PCB manufacturing process, no way to replace or fix it Mar 28 20:49:29 hmm Mar 28 20:49:37 when i plug in the cable something happens Mar 28 20:49:41 as in phone switches on Mar 28 20:49:45 but it's not detected Mar 28 20:49:46 I've never before seen such >shudder, gimme a word for it<< Mar 28 20:50:09 D+/- disconnected Mar 28 20:50:52 fine, this narrows down what to check Mar 28 20:51:13 well Mar 28 20:51:26 my meter leads are like 10x bigger than they should be for that Mar 28 20:51:33 hehe Mar 28 20:51:37 how does it go from left to right Mar 28 20:51:43 I've cut a USB cable Mar 28 20:51:46 GND D- D+ VUSB ID Mar 28 20:51:55 yup, IIRC Mar 28 20:52:17 where is left Mar 28 20:52:47 ID left when looking 'like a plug looks at it' Mar 28 20:53:01 IIRC Mar 28 20:53:32 with pins on top or bottom Mar 28 20:53:35 maybe GND and VUSB are swapped, better check! Mar 28 20:55:09 RST38h: :-) large and evil looking: http://www.hpcimedia.com/images/website/OldCleanRoom/DIR_1/F_6711.jpg Mar 28 20:55:20 yeah, like that Mar 28 20:55:40 complete with cherenkov radiation Mar 28 20:58:06 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Farbkodierung_und_Pinouts Mar 28 20:58:14 jacekowski: ^^^ Mar 28 20:59:39 http://www.makelinux.com/emb/fastboot/omap Mar 28 20:59:47 How fast can you go! Mar 28 21:00:25 jacekowski: NB the schematic connectors are plugs Mar 28 21:00:50 (mini-A, mini-B) Mar 28 21:02:06 Insane. 300ms boot. Mar 28 21:03:04 so looking at the solder posts from PCB, the sequence is (L to R): 5GND 4ID 3D+ 2D- 1VBUS Mar 28 21:04:57 yup, confirmed on my bare PCB Mar 28 21:05:17 Speed: Not starting any services Mar 28 21:05:27 Speed: No networking, no udevd, etc Mar 28 21:05:56 I am afraid this isn't as much of an accomplishment... Mar 28 21:06:33 jacekowski: GND is next to speaker, VDD is next to kbd Mar 28 21:13:37 RST38h: True, of coure. Mar 28 21:13:51 * SpeedEvil is still undecided about udevd. Mar 28 21:13:57 who here has experience with sdl + opengl on the sgx? Mar 28 21:14:30 for embedded stuff, you may not even need udevd. Mar 28 21:14:59 For some embedded stuff in principle you just need a kernel. 2.2 could even run that way. Mar 28 21:15:11 (it would carry on routing packets after init died) Mar 28 21:19:28 ~flashung Mar 28 21:19:31 ~flashing Mar 28 21:19:31 it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 28 21:23:47 yah Mar 28 21:23:49 yay Mar 28 21:23:51 it's working Mar 28 21:23:52 almost Mar 28 21:25:04 when i plug it in just a bit it works Mar 28 21:30:48 jacekowski: check contact springs. Sounds like bent or dirty Mar 28 21:31:06 RST38h: >>adiation is used by the United States Postal Service to sterilize mail in the Washington, DC area. Some foods (e.g. spices, ground meats) are irradiated for sterilization (see food irradiation).<< Mar 28 21:31:25 It is everywherrrre! Mar 28 21:31:36 fix your R Mar 28 21:31:57 hmmmm Mar 28 21:32:08 where was that thing to check if vusb is present Mar 28 21:32:26 find /sys -name vbus ? Mar 28 21:32:30 nothing Mar 28 21:32:40 * RST38h found another huge reason to hate Steve Jobs: island keyboards. Mar 28 21:33:30 /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/vbus Mar 28 21:34:25 oops, not that one Mar 28 21:34:26 can you check if it changes on yours when you plug something in Mar 28 21:36:19 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus Mar 28 21:36:26 1, 0 Mar 28 21:37:56 hmm Mar 28 21:38:00 it is vusb disappearing Mar 28 21:38:28 jacekowski: check contact springs. Sounds like bent or dirty Mar 28 21:39:22 eithe pin1 or pin5 Mar 28 21:39:55 either in receptacle or in plug Mar 28 21:41:20 plug has springs, receptacle has flat contact areas Mar 28 21:42:43 jacekowski: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:USB-Stecker_Nokia_5130.jpg&filetimestamp=20100506223249 Mar 28 21:43:20 it's phone side that has a problem Mar 28 21:43:22 not a cable Mar 28 21:44:35 then it must be dirt on the flat contact areas Mar 28 21:44:53 or actually a loose solder joint Mar 28 21:54:38 fuck yeah Mar 28 21:54:40 it's working Mar 28 21:54:45 the usb? Mar 28 21:55:10 yes Mar 28 21:55:15 coool Mar 28 21:56:28 MohammadAG:microb sources https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/ client server https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/ Mar 28 21:57:27 when did that happen Mar 28 21:58:13 romaxa:OMG, you have finally published the browser client sources??? Mar 28 22:00:17 it looks like it Mar 28 22:00:23 wow Mar 28 22:00:30 why not 1 year earlier ... Mar 28 22:00:38 nobody cares now Mar 28 22:00:40 romaxa: Just tell where the goddamn reflow option is in the code Mar 28 22:00:47 harhar Mar 28 22:00:54 opera is released Mar 28 22:01:05 So that we can finally enable it Mar 28 22:01:46 opera ftw Mar 28 22:01:57 opera sucks battery pretty badly Mar 28 22:02:26 what's up? Mar 28 22:03:17 i really wish fluke would open source software for my meter Mar 28 22:03:27 LOL Mar 28 22:03:45 who's using FLUKE doesn't mess with source code Mar 28 22:03:57 it has full ARM inside Mar 28 22:04:03 and lots of fluke asics Mar 28 22:04:15 you also don't tune your Ferrari Mar 28 22:04:24 you do Mar 28 22:04:31 and i don't have a ferrari Mar 28 22:04:46 Neither of you has a Ferrari Mar 28 22:05:02 bah, I have 17 Mar 28 22:05:10 Doc: 1:43? =) Mar 28 22:05:22 matchbox models don't count Mar 28 22:05:37 nah, I think it's a Ferarri Sunglasses Mar 28 22:05:48 (sic!) Mar 28 22:09:04 http://www.ferrari-electronic.de/ Mar 28 22:09:18 oh btw i found the reason for the whole cascade of 'disconnect or change internet connection' requests Mar 28 22:09:24 and it is a bug Mar 28 22:10:00 in? Mar 28 22:10:14 if you have an xmpp chat channel open in conversations it somehow thinks it detects your net connection dropping when it didn't Mar 28 22:10:33 and it queues a connect to internet request Mar 28 22:10:36 it? Mar 28 22:10:59 Cousin It? Mar 28 22:11:11 i haven't looked at the code but something is not consolidating multiple such requests into a single request Mar 28 22:11:38 * DocScrutinizer whistles "...the Addams Family" Mar 28 22:11:51 i'm presuming it's an event queued via dbus Mar 28 22:12:26 empathy/telepathy queues a request to connect to the internet Mar 28 22:12:38 sounds sensible Mar 28 22:13:22 i would have to look at the code to have a clue how to fix it Mar 28 22:14:11 try a "dbus-monitor >>log.txt && dbus-monitor -s >>log.txt" Mar 28 22:14:16 i'm thinking that whatever prog reads those events should check if it has two such requests and drop the first and iterate before popping up the dialog Mar 28 22:15:06 umm, it should simply drop further requests if dialog is open Mar 28 22:15:22 it is /usr/bin/osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs* Mar 28 22:15:35 if you kill that process while it's doing that it stops Mar 28 22:15:42 oh yeah, that bugger Mar 28 22:15:53 how familiar, indeed Mar 28 22:16:07 hey, i found a bug i can actually fix Mar 28 22:16:10 i'm on a roll Mar 28 22:16:21 you can't Mar 28 22:16:27 i haven't done code for a living in 11 years Mar 28 22:16:30 AFAIK that shit is closed Mar 28 22:16:36 that's a closed component? Mar 28 22:16:45 bastards Mar 28 22:17:12 i could but it would be a pain Mar 28 22:17:30 looks like MicroB just got open Mar 28 22:17:47 RST38h: what where Mar 28 22:17:51 lots of things to improve there, starting with enabling the text reflow Mar 28 22:17:59 i bet it could be done by intercepting a .so even if it's a closed component Mar 28 22:18:15 tps://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/ client server Mar 28 22:18:15 https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/ Mar 28 22:18:22 I'm not excited about microB. I'd not even be surprised it'd be open since long. It's browser-ui that's interesting Mar 28 22:18:44 Doc: isn't the client part the browser-ui? Mar 28 22:18:52 i really like fennec's features but it so eats my machine Mar 28 22:19:00 fennec is a pig Mar 28 22:19:01 :shrug: Mar 28 22:19:19 ttg Mar 28 22:19:31 time to google? Mar 28 22:19:43 ~ttg Mar 28 22:19:49 ~wtf ttg Mar 28 22:19:50 Gee... I don't know what ttg means... Mar 28 22:19:59 actually i need to watch some video so i can delete it and clear up disk space Mar 28 22:20:18 time to go? Mar 28 22:20:41 the tempest gains? Mar 28 22:20:49 don't tell me about video :-S Watched a livestream this evening, and it ate mediaplayer Mar 28 22:21:15 oh, i have like 6gb of stuff on my pc that miro has downloaded Mar 28 22:21:19 had to reboot the shit Mar 28 22:21:36 richard dawkins i just watched talking about his latest book Mar 28 22:21:47 until that completed, the report was over Mar 28 22:22:30 presinting the overwhelming evidence for evolution which he says is motivated by 40% of people in the usa believing the earth is 10k years old and that no evolution happened Mar 28 22:23:04 i think he is nieve, for many of that group it is a religious belief and not subject to refutation by fact Mar 28 22:23:17 * DocScrutinizer checks if meanwhile the program is available in mediathek Mar 28 22:23:42 http://zdfmediathk.sourceforge.net/ btw Mar 28 22:23:59 (no idea if that runs on the phone tho... :) Mar 28 22:24:06 its java Mar 28 22:24:18 3sat.de/nano Mar 28 22:24:36 ah they streamed that today? Mar 28 22:24:46 they do every night Mar 28 22:24:54 heh never noticed... Mar 28 22:25:08 what was the bit you missed about? Mar 28 22:29:15 what an app for n900 that records a live phone call? Mar 28 22:30:16 I vaguely recall 'recaller' can do this. Mar 28 22:35:44 iluminator101: it also eats up your mem by time (was a python widget last time I checked) Mar 28 22:36:13 hmm... Mar 28 22:39:50 iluminator101: python-plugin-loader or something will end up freeing you from ram (eating it) Mar 28 22:45:17 nox-: mediaplayer froze on "loading cache buffer" the very moment they started talking about geocaching with smartphones Mar 28 22:45:25 ew Mar 28 22:45:27 :fP Mar 28 22:45:36 :-P Mar 28 22:46:30 guess it's been coincidence, as the mediathek playback worked ok Mar 28 22:47:28 strange bit is I've seen exactly same behaviour before, like in January or sth Mar 28 22:53:10 what was the bit you missed in jan? Mar 28 22:57:05 no idea Mar 28 22:57:43 but it failed in exactly same situation, with same symptoms Mar 28 22:58:04 http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_taceye_lt.html Mar 28 22:58:19 did you see that one earlier? no price listed Mar 28 22:58:25 same situation == steaming 3sat, or == 3sat talking about geocaching? :) Mar 28 22:58:45 only partially covers one eye Mar 28 22:59:00 dunno Mar 28 23:04:47 dangergrrl: It absolutely must come with a red super LED Mar 28 23:05:20 Borg-like Mar 28 23:07:09 fps fps fps fps Mar 28 23:07:32 When you get above 60, remember, it is fooling you =) Mar 28 23:13:07 RST38h: yap Mar 28 23:13:28 RST38h: are you interested in a hq2x scaler proggie? :) Mar 28 23:13:51 pupnik: I have it =) Mar 28 23:13:53 i think i'm close to getting a working output Mar 28 23:14:38 i need a commandline prog to scale .pngs to 2x Mar 28 23:14:46 so i can convert all the bitmaps in this game Mar 28 23:15:06 pngscale? Mar 28 23:15:28 well, using the hq2x scaler, and preserving transparency Mar 28 23:16:35 you will have to write your own Mar 28 23:16:57 k Mar 29 00:35:00 dangergrrl: interesting products there Mar 29 01:20:59 i bet the one i linked is expensive; it's "call for price" Mar 29 02:46:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=977489&postcount=2 zip attachment, hq2x scaler Mar 29 02:58:21 Segmentation fault **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011