**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011 Mar 29 03:00:03 (core dumped) Mar 29 03:25:21 good morning Mar 29 03:44:47 FPS: Best (6), Worst (2) Mar 29 04:08:08 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2220213673_2975919621.jpg my picture Mar 29 04:34:55 Cleetus: lol Mar 29 04:39:22 test Mar 29 04:39:30 hu Mar 29 05:23:31 how could I find out how much power the SIP client is taking up? I had to change the keep alive time to 30s to keep it from saying "authentication failed" half the time.... Mar 29 05:26:27 how much 'power'? Mar 29 05:38:31 robbiethe1st: not sure what to say, battery life? Mar 29 05:38:42 internetishard: bq27220.sh will tell you how much power you are using Mar 29 05:38:56 for individual apps? Mar 29 05:39:02 or processes or whatever Mar 29 05:39:07 no Mar 29 05:39:14 I'm just curious about the SIP client Mar 29 05:39:49 measure power consumption Mar 29 05:39:57 with and without it? Mar 29 05:39:58 then start client and measure power consumption Mar 29 05:40:01 k Mar 29 05:40:15 you cannot measure consumption of individual apps Mar 29 05:40:21 and don't say 'android' Mar 29 05:40:34 Did I? Mar 29 05:40:35 :) Mar 29 05:40:45 When did I say Android? Mar 29 05:41:17 you were thinking it Mar 29 05:41:43 lol, not sure why I would be Mar 29 05:42:00 I prefer maemo after seeing all my friends Android problems Mar 29 05:42:15 Or more specifically, limitations/inabilities Mar 29 05:45:38 :D Mar 29 05:46:03 android does have some good innovations we could use Mar 29 05:46:06 in the kernel Mar 29 05:46:30 but they threw away the rest of gnu/linux, which sucks dog logs Mar 29 05:47:56 i'm afraid n900 may be the best we get for a long, long time Mar 29 05:48:25 a high-water mark of civilization, so to speak Mar 29 05:50:14 http://i.imgur.com/ucnl1.png why i want that hq2x scaler Mar 29 06:23:09 hello guys Mar 29 06:24:32 hey guys i was able to Share my computer's Internet with my N900...!! Mar 29 06:25:39 but i am facing some problem...upgrading or installing packages on it...!! Mar 29 06:26:06 Can anyone tell me how to Use Proxy Server with Application Manager....?????????? Mar 29 06:26:39 i googled a lot also tried to search it on forum...still was not able to make Mar 29 06:26:58 is there anyone who knows how to do it...!! Mar 29 06:28:13 exit Mar 29 06:39:52 rahul: hi Mar 29 06:40:21 please give more information Mar 29 06:40:28 hey hi pupnik.. Mar 29 06:40:41 i'll explain... Mar 29 06:40:41 what computer os, how did you share connection Mar 29 06:41:11 i connected my phone using usb networking Mar 29 06:41:52 ok i will explain in brief Mar 29 06:42:37 i opened a local port on n900 Mar 29 06:43:10 and forwarded the proxy port to same Mar 29 06:43:26 http proxy? Mar 29 06:43:29 and in iceweasel browser i changed the proxy settings and i am able to connect Mar 29 06:43:36 through proxy Mar 29 06:43:39 ok Mar 29 06:43:49 i can download the files using wget Mar 29 06:44:02 by changing the variable http_proxy Mar 29 06:44:27 i can download the debian packages directly using the proxy Mar 29 06:44:42 that i have forwarded from my computer to the debian Mar 29 06:44:51 hmm, I never really get the use of proxies, but in your case I guess you need proper forwarding on your PC Mar 29 06:44:58 yes Mar 29 06:45:14 well the think is i am in OFFIce right now Mar 29 06:45:26 and my company doesnt allow direct access to internet Mar 29 06:45:35 aah Mar 29 06:45:43 so what i did is...the proxy that i use to access the internet on the comptuer... Mar 29 06:45:58 i have forwarded it to port 80 of n900 Mar 29 06:46:26 and i told firefox to use localhost:80 Mar 29 06:46:30 sorry, I dunno if HAM would work over HTTP:80 only Mar 29 06:46:58 looks like apt can do http proxying (!) Mar 29 06:47:06 wow Mar 29 06:47:13 HAM is based on apt-get, so check that to get an idea Mar 29 06:47:13 actully i tried that as well Mar 29 06:47:24 tried changing apt.conf file Mar 29 06:47:33 but seems it didnt like it Mar 29 06:47:51 one min...i will let you the exact error message Mar 29 06:49:42 unreachable) Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free avahi-daemon 0.6.24-0maemo1 Cannot initiate the connection to 80:80 (0.0.0.80). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free birthday 0.3-1 Cannot initiate the connection to 80:80 (0.0.0.80). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free fbreader 0.12.10-28 Cannot initiate the co Mar 29 06:50:12 looks like a malconfigured proxy line Mar 29 06:50:23 i tired with the command # apt-get upgrade --fix-missing Mar 29 06:50:28 no no Mar 29 06:50:37 look at this 80:80 (0.0.0.80) Mar 29 06:51:08 http::proxy "http://user name:passw@host:port/" host is not "80" Mar 29 06:51:10 silverblade:~# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf ACQUIRE { http::proxy "localhost:80" } Mar 29 06:51:27 yeah well you can't proxy from yourself Mar 29 06:51:38 s/localhost/your_proxy_computer Mar 29 06:51:45 but the thing is i am using the same think in firefox Mar 29 06:51:56 well don't Mar 29 06:52:08 thing** Mar 29 06:52:23 can you tell me what mistake i am doin Mar 29 06:52:32 and what shud i do in order to fix it :D Mar 29 06:52:50 host Mar 29 06:52:52 is your Mar 29 06:53:00 proxy ip address Mar 29 06:53:11 cheers Mar 29 06:54:06 thanks pupnik Mar 29 06:54:14 :D let me try it Mar 29 07:02:12 hey tring still not working Mar 29 07:02:33 internetishard: you're aware what keep-alive is for, what it's actually doing and how that will impact power consumption of esp the 3G modem? Mar 29 07:05:24 wow...its working now.........!! Mar 29 07:05:46 thanks "PUPNIK" "YOU ROCK MAN" :D Mar 29 07:08:24 daimonin client is nicely scalable - got it down to 30-40% cpu and it's pretty playable Mar 29 07:08:50 meh, we only pointed to a basically very obvious plain text error msg, rahul Mar 29 07:10:23 actully i havnt tried used apt-get much..!! yesterday i googled abt apt configuration...may i didnt read the apt-get man pages carefully Mar 29 07:11:11 anyways thank you friends you are really helpful...and i would be happy to contribute to this community....:D Mar 29 07:11:21 yeah, shame on you ;-D Mar 29 07:11:56 contribute is feasible: add the proper info to wiki Mar 29 07:12:10 Hello there Mar 29 07:12:17 sure :D Mar 29 07:13:44 moo mece Mar 29 07:13:58 my mail address is : rahul at live dot cn | we can b friends doc.... :D Mar 29 07:14:49 g2g guys...thanks and have a great day :D Mar 29 07:15:56 fine, so now I know where to send flames to if thereams no prper "using proxy howto" appearing on wiki ;-) Mar 29 07:25:20 rahul: do you know that all spam crawlers already know how to deal with simple formatting like at and dot? Mar 29 07:30:28 jackowski : nope ... :D Mar 29 07:31:41 jackowski: can you suggest a better way ? Mar 29 07:33:17 DocScrutinizer, I know little about keep-alive... I'm trying to remedy an issue where at "auto" keep-alive time the SIP client says "authentication failed" whenever I leave my phone alone for a while. Any ideas? Mar 29 07:39:27 internetishard: SIP, like any other service, needs to accept inbound messages (listening on port XY). NATs and Firewalls use outbound traffic to open up a inbound path so those msgs actually arrive at the port where (here) SIP is listening. As usually UDP is used and that's a connectionless protocol, there's no way for NAT/FW to determine such a so called session is obsolete when e.g you SIP client terminated. So there's a timeout that gets Mar 29 07:39:29 reset on each new data packet transferred over that session (aka port). Keep-alive is sending msgs/packets to reset that timer. Mar 29 07:40:24 so, to fix issues like yours, the best approach is to increase the session timeout on the NAT/FW that acts up Mar 29 07:40:35 This is over 2g/3g Mar 29 07:40:39 on wifi it doesn't do that Mar 29 07:41:50 Also, the odd thing is that I have two accounts with the same provider (voip.ms), and one account this happens and another it doesn't (the one it doesn't is using the server overseas, and the one that does is using the server closest to me... Riddle me that! Mar 29 07:41:52 that's particularly bad then, as then that's your 3G provider that (possibly on purpose) spoils the NAT session for SIP Mar 29 07:42:03 does = "authentication failed" after some time Mar 29 07:43:53 usually SIP proxies do that keep-alive sending business for you, as for NAT it doesn't matter if the packet is outbound or in. Timer gets reset on both Mar 29 07:45:55 Hmmm, I'm gonna mess with the "loose routing" setting some more Mar 29 07:45:58 you might try to change port 5060 to sth different - like 5072. Most SIP providers don't mind Mar 29 07:46:24 loose routing also is a rather important setting sometimes Mar 29 07:46:31 Thanks Mar 29 07:46:33 SIP is really complex Mar 29 07:46:38 Indeed Mar 29 07:46:48 How's physics? Mar 29 07:46:59 Any cosmology book recommendations? Mar 29 07:49:26 hah Mar 29 07:50:12 my carrier just blocks sip Mar 29 07:50:15 Robot101: do ou know if telepathy-sip is dealing with "roaming" (change of client's IP) ? Mar 29 07:50:19 and i can't do anything about it Mar 29 07:50:51 I use tmobile - whatever that is now - and I've been able to use SIP over 3G Mar 29 07:51:15 Robot101: obviously telepathy *should* detect this condition and re-register to SIP registrar, using the new IP Mar 29 07:51:19 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/29/nokia-promises-strong-symbian-devices-through-windows-phone-tran/ Mar 29 07:51:33 I wonder if the would make an OTA update to Maemo too Mar 29 07:51:34 I can also stay connected while on 2G and answer, but I have to switch to 3G if I want the other person to understand me Mar 29 07:51:40 that would kinda suck Mar 29 07:53:23 internetishard: yes, obviously bandwidth of simple 2G usually is too low for RTP audio Mar 29 07:54:05 internetishard: EDGE (2.5) should work if it's at max, esp for uplink Mar 29 07:54:18 Indeed, I think it has Mar 29 07:54:32 But as soon as it isn't maxed issues occur Mar 29 07:56:51 yeah, there's RTCP so the far end could tell local user agent about the problems so both could negotiate a more humble codec for audio RTP. But that's usually not supported Mar 29 07:57:37 DocScrutinizer: IIRC, in the N800 the situation was detected by mission-control, who informed tp-sofiasip; in the N900 I think it was removed, because tp-sofiasip was able to handle the situation itself Mar 29 07:57:38 Morning, all Mar 29 07:57:48 DocScrutinizer: but I'm not 100% sure about it Mar 29 07:57:50 (actually it's way more complex, but no use in elaborating here) Mar 29 07:58:18 mardy: thanks anyway Mar 29 07:58:48 mardy: in line with what I'd have expected telepathy to do Mar 29 08:02:05 mardy: the tricky part is you can't guarantee your NIC's IP will change when modem is roaming from 2G to 3G for instance. Your NAT might give you a new public IP while you (by incident) get same LAN IP Mar 29 08:03:47 I thought IP was per session Mar 29 08:04:00 so as soon as you're behind a NAT there seems to be no other way than ping STUN server on a regular schedule, to determine if your public IP is unchanged Mar 29 08:06:29 I usually work around that by setting re-registration time down to 120s..300s Mar 29 08:07:05 if there's an option to do so - like in twinklephone :-D Mar 29 08:07:22 alterego: sorry? Mar 29 08:07:54 I thought you were talking about network swtching ober GSM :P Mar 29 08:07:58 My mistake Mar 29 08:08:48 OT but bwuahahahah http://rocknewsdesk.com/world-news/napster-boss-set-to-buy-metallicas-record-label/ Mar 29 08:09:07 no way Mar 29 08:09:18 Heh Mar 29 08:09:26 what goes around comes around, as they say Mar 29 08:09:39 Did Metallica have that huge thing agaist p2p? Mar 29 08:09:48 they shut down napster Mar 29 08:11:05 Ah, Mar 29 08:58:37 Anyone got an idea how to prevent the screen saver from the cmdline? gconf? dbus? Mar 29 08:59:36 umm yes, probably :-P Mar 29 09:05:03 DocScrutinizer: I've found /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/* => but I'm not sure what to kill to make the values go live, ... Mar 29 09:05:41 never thought one would like to put fancy screen savers on N900. Usually screen timeout (thus turning off) is the ideal solution. If its that then its usually dbus afaik. Mar 29 09:06:35 Well, I want to prevent it while it's usb-connected and already fully charged? Seems to timeout on me, despite "always bright when charging" being selected, ... Mar 29 09:06:48 Now this could be also a malfunction, .. Mar 29 09:06:50 I suspect a dbus msg to mce should do it Mar 29 09:07:14 you definitely talk to mce Mar 29 09:07:19 * timeless_w7ip can't remember if it's dbus Mar 29 09:07:38 I know with dbus you can control the brightness level but barely Mar 29 09:07:43 what else? ;-) Mar 29 09:08:37 I haven't figured out how to make the screen remain lit and have had me N900 run flat with the screen on and charging through microUSB connection to computer Mar 29 09:08:38 Well, actually, what I'm doing is turning the brightness down via /proc, but for x11vnc to work I need to make the n900 think that it's not blanked, because that makes vncviewer go black too :( Mar 29 09:09:20 psycho_oreos, well, that's why I do echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness Mar 29 09:09:45 psycho_oreos, that makes the hardware go really dim, without the software noticing, overly ;) Mar 29 09:10:19 yacc, well you could probably make a script to do that when you run x11vnc, kinda like a wrapper script Mar 29 09:10:40 Ok, I'll reboot the n900, perhaps it's just a temporal bug. Mar 29 09:10:55 alas dbus-monitor neither on system nor session bus can find some interesting stuff when I switch simple brightness applet to always_on Mar 29 09:11:08 psycho_oreos, well, for x11vnc to work it needs the n900 to think that it did not blank the screen, or the vnc screen turns black too. Mar 29 09:11:22 yacc: yes, this for sure is a bug that sounds like mce blew chunks Mar 29 09:11:40 DocScrutinizer: Well, my 1st N900 did not have that issue, ... Mar 29 09:11:48 yacc, dim but still blanking with that command? Mar 29 09:12:06 psycho_oreos, yeah, it blanks, but let's see if a reboot solves that. Mar 29 09:12:38 yacc, ahh ok Mar 29 09:12:39 psycho_oreos, and yes, x11vnc & vncviewer gets started from the usbnet configuration script that is run indirectly from pcsuite-enable.sh ;) Mar 29 09:13:35 Most people consider me crazy when they notice that my desktop pops up a window with the phone UI when I plug it into USB ;) Mar 29 09:14:44 I'd probably use x11vnc more if I could get rid of the lag Mar 29 09:15:17 the lag is far worse than for one to hook their N900 up to TV screen for instance Mar 29 09:16:34 yacc: check mce.ini Mar 29 09:17:41 yacc: make sure you got no fubar modules like e.g lp5523 included by powerkernel, which is known to cause mce to segfault occasionally Mar 29 09:18:46 same applies for (early ?) versions of fcam, that directly accesses /sys/*/*/led:r/brightness and thus causes mce to barf Mar 29 09:19:40 wow Mar 29 09:23:18 DocScrutinizer: I installed fcam by mistake, but I thought that I've solved that one, because the standard camera app started to work again. Mar 29 09:23:25 Anyway, a reboot cured the problem. Mar 29 09:24:12 timeless_w7ip: wow? Mar 29 09:24:19 psycho_oreos, the lag is quite a bit better via USB than WLAN. Mar 29 09:24:47 yacc, indeed but still unbearable Mar 29 09:24:51 so, geek question Mar 29 09:24:58 what can I do against a fried HD? Mar 29 09:25:06 I tried freezing it, didn't help Mar 29 09:25:17 psycho_oreos, and my central use for VNC is to have a sensible keyboard and display, so I can use the N900 as my total and complete communication central. Mar 29 09:25:22 shit, was going to suggest that ;-P Mar 29 09:25:43 crashanddie: replace electronics Mar 29 09:25:57 well, I don't know if it's worth the trouble Mar 29 09:26:07 or send in to a commercial data recovery center Mar 29 09:26:10 yacc, there's still heaps of limitations with using x11vnc, granted that its a hell lot more easier to deal with a proper sized keyboard, mouse pointers and what not Mar 29 09:26:18 defo not worth the trouble Mar 29 09:26:44 so the answer is "use the sledge hammer" Mar 29 09:27:02 helps against all kinds of fried HDDs Mar 29 09:27:08 usually freeze trick should work, there was an old blog that I read of someone replacing the board on the underside of the HD. The donor HD's component must be a close replica to the one being donated Mar 29 09:27:21 yeah, that's easy Mar 29 09:27:26 but finding the HD is trickier Mar 29 09:27:40 it's just 8 months old though, which is kind of a bummer Mar 29 09:27:41 indeed.. sometimes fleabay (ebay) may help Mar 29 09:27:43 my gf's computer Mar 29 09:28:06 I'll probably send it in for repair, and she'll get a new HD Mar 29 09:28:15 psycho_oreos, well, MicroB does not want to scroll, the keyboard has a weird keymap (and you cannot enter symbols not found on the hardware keyboard of the N900, you need to press AltGr-Ctrl so the Symbol dialog pops up and press the button via mouse), and you need to slide open the keyboard or the onscreen keyboard pops up. Mar 29 09:28:15 honestly, you can't do much if HDD went bonkers Mar 29 09:28:23 I know Mar 29 09:28:26 psycho_oreos, that's my list of irritations. Mar 29 09:28:43 First thing I tried was the obvious SATA-USB cable to check if it worked Mar 29 09:28:54 I tried to remain hopeful, she's got her uni docs on the drive Mar 29 09:28:58 when that didn't work... Mar 29 09:29:12 does it start up? Mar 29 09:29:30 yacc, lol those are also my main gripes with x11vnc apart from speed issues Mar 29 09:29:31 The disk? It spins OK, but I can hear the head cycling around Mar 29 09:29:46 And it doesn't even register in BIOS/USB Mar 29 09:29:46 LOL Mar 29 09:30:02 crashanddie, well, not sure, but I'm used to replace my laptops HDD yearly, because commuting weekly usually kills it after 12-24 months, without any especially bad happening, ... Mar 29 09:30:29 crashanddie, is usually a good period, because after 12months you usually get a slightly bigger hdd, so /home can grow nicely. Mar 29 09:30:36 heh... My mbp has done well over 50k miles in planes, cars and trains, and still works fine Mar 29 09:30:38 its really hard to say what the problem is without going through the normal procedural way. Such as replacing the controller on the HD, checking the disk, etc Mar 29 09:31:09 I'll check the company hardware store Mar 29 09:31:09 yep Mar 29 09:31:19 with luck we have a disk from same manufacturer/make Mar 29 09:31:29 crashanddie, well, same ballpark for me, ... Mar 29 09:31:45 replace controller PCBA, if that doesn't help or isn't possible, forget it Mar 29 09:32:06 aye Mar 29 09:32:30 yacc, 50k miles in 6 months :P Mar 29 09:32:44 probably 150k over 18 months Mar 29 09:32:59 I wonder how we got to the point that most Linux people do not want to touch pulseaudio (or the previous generation of the idea), ... Mar 29 09:35:19 crashanddie, well with me it was usually 2x900km per week, usually by car (and that's bad, you never consider emergency braking and braking down from >200km/h as quickly as possible does usually send all kind of stuff flying, e.g. the laptop on the passenger seat), or train. Mar 29 09:35:42 You drive at > 200km/h? Mar 29 09:36:03 Well, the A3 from Passau to Nürnberg tends to have not much traffic, ... Mar 29 09:36:29 Apparently, too much for 200kph if you have to do emergency braking ;) Mar 29 09:36:56 So yes, going onsite in Germany, I do like the Germans do ;) Mar 29 09:37:20 crashanddie, not really, it's emergency, and my worst emergency in traffic have been in places that have speed limits. Mar 29 10:13:51 here's pupnik's nokia e900 wishdevice with keyboard http://i.imgur.com/SB256.png Mar 29 10:14:49 pupnik, <3 Mar 29 10:15:08 but where is shift! Mar 29 10:15:19 oh forgot it Mar 29 10:15:56 also the nokia logo should be upside down for maximum humiliation Mar 29 10:15:59 :) Mar 29 10:17:12 anyway with 4 rows you can pretty much do all the important things Mar 29 10:17:29 pupnik, where's META!!??? Mar 29 10:18:18 another good one Mar 29 10:19:38 pupnik: you are missing a shift key... Mar 29 10:20:33 yeah Mar 29 10:21:13 and it is not a dvorak layout... shame on you! Mar 29 10:24:23 so, combining shift and fn might not be that bad actually Mar 29 10:24:37 wtf? Mar 29 10:25:12 tap once for shift, tap twice for fn? Mar 29 10:25:31 yeah Mar 29 10:25:35 has an esc key and a / key at least :) Mar 29 10:26:08 my main complaint is that ? should be near / Mar 29 10:26:12 not on 9 Mar 29 10:26:18 WTF?! Mar 29 10:26:52 how's capslock/fnßlock supposed to work then? Mar 29 10:27:48 how often do you use capslock? beyond when you want to write WTF? Mar 29 10:28:02 you might consider having qualifier/meta keys on a qualified layer Mar 29 10:28:16 ? Mar 29 10:28:36 timeless_w7ip: how often do you use fn-lock? Mar 29 10:28:48 ok ok now i got it! Mar 29 10:28:54 i only use fn lock when i'm writing numbers Mar 29 10:29:02 with ctrl and alt! http://i.imgur.com/mI6Ar.png Mar 29 10:29:40 pupnik: shift should be above fn Mar 29 10:29:42 how do you press fn+shift+something then :P Mar 29 10:29:56 it's somewhat traditional to have fn at lower left Mar 29 10:29:57 right, Mar 29 10:30:13 i was thinking you could do key combos easier that way Mar 29 10:30:24 flux: fn is a modifier, you can trigger it first and then do something Mar 29 10:30:39 fn; shift + something Mar 29 10:30:48 BS Mar 29 10:30:57 chording is stupid Mar 29 10:31:07 you don't press ctrl-alt-delete on a phone Mar 29 10:31:22 ctrl-shift-p on the n900 is painful Mar 29 10:31:22 uhuh Mar 29 10:31:33 get it, the μ is on the 'm' key? hahah Mar 29 10:31:40 seems you press shift-ctrl-p though Mar 29 10:31:41 and i would like the current n900 keyboard better if it had [] the lack of esc would be more tenable Mar 29 10:32:17 dangergrrl: i have most of the keys i need on my n900 Mar 29 10:32:20 ctrl then shift whatever to get ] would beat having to bring up an osk for esc Mar 29 10:32:24 i think {}[] are missing Mar 29 10:32:38 nope, they're on 'fn's Mar 29 10:32:40 but i have <>~ Mar 29 10:34:18 i want esc or meta don't need both, the software i care about takes esc then char to be same as M-char Mar 29 10:34:25 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/29/sony_ericsson_android_boot_loader_unlock/ <-- hmm Mar 29 10:34:57 anyhow i'm reading the 1979 pdp 11 processor handbook as a bedtime story Mar 29 10:35:31 oops, two GBP symbols Mar 29 10:35:35 hah Mar 29 10:35:44 if it doesn't make me sleepy i'll have to torrent a book on economics Mar 29 10:36:53 i remembered today that i have never read lions' commentary on the unix v6 source code because when i badly wanted it you had to know someone who has a copy Mar 29 10:36:59 dangergrrl: should send you some pdp 11 books... Mar 29 10:37:31 just trying to refresh enough to understand the .s files in unix v6 Mar 29 10:37:41 or the win2.1 handbook Mar 29 10:38:17 eichi: greetings to benztown Mar 29 10:38:19 is there a kind of application or option to react on busy caller i want to call with recalling after 1 or 2 minutes? Mar 29 10:38:30 chem|st: ? Mar 29 10:38:51 eichi: thought the stgt stands for stuttgart Mar 29 10:38:54 i was comitted to the state nut lockup in oklahome once, they had this wonderful book comparing the cold war economies of us vs ussr i fell asleep in under 10 pages every time Mar 29 10:39:26 yeah, but was is "benztown" ? Mar 29 10:39:38 ah, okay ;) Mar 29 10:39:41 stgt is also refered as benztown Mar 29 10:39:53 eichi: i'm pretty sure there's a redialer somewhere Mar 29 10:40:02 yes, thats true Mar 29 10:40:04 although it is sindlefingen^^ Mar 29 10:40:30 i suppose i could read armel databooks Mar 29 10:43:07 no way to config reaction on busy phone? Mar 29 10:44:47 n900 is best smartphone on the world, but worst phone for calling i think ;D Mar 29 10:45:31 eichi: i was telling someone that earlier Mar 29 10:45:58 it's kinda crappy as a phone in some ways but i didn't buy it for that, it was a bonus feature Mar 29 10:46:20 yeah, same to. but sometimes i thing, it would be hard to make some more phone features Mar 29 10:46:46 if you have firefox mobile open with a few tabs your phone call can be gone before you can switch to the phone app Mar 29 10:46:50 just bought it because if nice hardware and olmost open linux (and choosing the OS) Mar 29 10:47:49 it's an awesome handheld linux system with an active user/developer community Mar 29 10:47:49 yeah, i use buildin browser, because firefox because for firefox its to slow a bit Mar 29 10:48:03 which is what i wanted Mar 29 10:48:17 wish the phone feature worked a little more reliably Mar 29 10:48:43 yeah, same here. i'm on same position then you. doenst matter to say, that the phone functions are little bit fuc*ed up ;) Mar 29 10:49:46 i considered android but android doesn't have an open source developer community behind it Mar 29 10:49:53 i liked the "call again in 1 minute" function of my old old old mobile phone ;) Mar 29 10:50:20 one day i will try meego (first dualboot) Mar 29 10:50:36 google wants android devs to stay inside the java sandbox Mar 29 10:51:15 kinda like chromeos almost wants to hide that it's linux Mar 29 10:51:18 how does a cell phone answer a caller "call again in 1 minute" without two radios Mar 29 10:53:37 pupnik: i mean (bad english sorry,) that if you call someone and he is busy (calling at the moment) then get a "busy" status from phone network for this person. in this case, you phone can as you "do you wanna try it automatically in 1 minute again?" then you say yes and phone makes a "sound" after 55 sec and after 60sec it calls the person again you tried to call Mar 29 10:54:14 after that, same with 2 minutes, then 5 and so on Mar 29 10:54:27 could be doable I guess Mar 29 10:54:50 if there isn't something public for maemo Mar 29 10:54:50 then you can work without thinking about it, and you get a acoustic notivy if the other person has a free phone Mar 29 10:54:59 then i've definitely seen a demo somewhere for it Mar 29 10:55:23 hypothetically :) Mar 29 10:55:43 oh Mar 29 10:55:43 how is this called on english, then i can try to search for? Mar 29 10:55:50 * timeless_w7ip ponders Mar 29 10:55:53 eichi: should be simple to implement Mar 29 10:56:13 eichi: i'd search for 'redialler' but i think the demo i saw was actually fancier Mar 29 10:56:18 so it probably was private Mar 29 10:56:19 DocScrutinizer depends on the extension APIs but i think so too Mar 29 10:57:20 eichi: I bet a busy call is signalled on dbus, and you got dbus-scripting and cmdlime call initiation Mar 29 10:59:25 omg this pdp11 manual is too funny; i'll never sleep reading it Mar 29 10:59:32 eichi: you'd need a small script to increase the redial delay time, and eventually stop (after 30min usually). Also rise a notifier about the redial in progress, with a "cancel" button Mar 29 10:59:41 sp3000: ping did i miss lunch? Mar 29 11:00:09 "The maximum transfer rate on the UNIBUS is one 16-bit word every 400ns..." Mar 29 11:00:16 that's funny Mar 29 11:00:48 i see in wiki. it can be done with dbus an python script Mar 29 11:01:29 is there a api for python to hilton desktop? Mar 29 11:01:42 pyqt? Mar 29 11:01:56 is this default? Mar 29 11:02:02 dunno Mar 29 11:02:13 or how do applications normaly use the desktop things Mar 29 11:02:24 ask somebody actually developing GUIs with python Mar 29 11:03:18 pyqt is you want forward compatibility with meego or like qt; pygtk if you don't like qt Mar 29 11:03:39 qt is okay. I use it with c++ sometimes Mar 29 11:03:57 but i know nothing of python other than it's whitespace sensitive Mar 29 11:04:11 which seems stupid in the 21st century :) Mar 29 11:04:13 but never uses for the n900, just "normal machines" Mar 29 11:04:51 dangergrrl: yeah, its the ideal to force structure, with all its advantages and disatvantages Mar 29 11:05:00 -t+d Mar 29 11:06:04 i don't think the fact that you can write horrible and ugly code detracts from the utility or power of C Mar 29 11:08:31 eichi: your dbus call will look something like this (for cmd) dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:'$NUMBER' uint32:0 Mar 29 11:08:43 you can write bad code in any useful language Mar 29 11:08:58 chem|st: found the wiki articles allready, thanks Mar 29 11:09:03 ah ok Mar 29 11:09:18 dangergrrl: thats true Mar 29 11:11:43 have to do some work now, cu Mar 29 11:39:37 version 5: pupnik's nokia e900 keyboard - the VNC-ing, shellscripting, scientific editing monster http://i.imgur.com/ih0PZ.png Mar 29 11:40:31 for whoever asked for function keys - those are shift 0-9 ;) Mar 29 11:40:47 is there some need for (R) (c) +/- Mar 29 11:41:53 you can't type them Mar 29 11:42:00 that could Mar 29 11:42:55 barely used... that's some for the symbol popup Mar 29 11:43:41 timeless_w7ip: I didn't see you so I suspect you did Mar 29 11:43:51 dude the point is to have everything Mar 29 11:43:59 suggest something more important Mar 29 11:44:06 pupnik: make ctrl first lvl and you spare on home end and stuff keys Mar 29 11:44:24 what are you going to move for ctrl Mar 29 11:44:25 show me Mar 29 11:45:36 ctrl needs to be able to send ctrl, for terminal, apps, vnc stuff Mar 29 11:45:38 actualy swap tab,fn and shift and make tab ctrl and fn+esc tab (ctrl+i is tab already) Mar 29 11:46:02 not for apps that need ctrl+i Mar 29 11:46:16 ;) Mar 29 11:46:26 then they brake with the design! Mar 29 11:47:00 vim needs ctrl-i Mar 29 11:47:20