**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 02 02:59:58 2011 Apr 02 03:01:30 just flashed to 1.3 global - do I need to use the usa release? Apr 02 03:04:24 are you in germany? Apr 02 03:04:35 I'm in the states. Apr 02 03:04:39 which states? Apr 02 03:05:01 washington, idaho, utah, california Apr 02 03:06:32 i'm going to try the us version Apr 02 03:06:34 i think you need to use the german release Apr 02 03:06:48 why is that? Apr 02 03:06:55 cause deutsch is cool Apr 02 03:07:00 and you can learn a new language Apr 02 03:07:24 I'd learn German if I could get the phone to connect with tmobile. Apr 02 03:07:45 what exactly does "enter code for unlocking SIM card" mean? Apr 02 03:08:01 Seems a bit weird to me. I just bought this phone used from Amazon. Apr 02 03:10:31 i am not sure Apr 02 03:10:59 i think the phone can be locked to a carrier Apr 02 03:11:15 unfortunately the USA is a very bad place for cell phones Apr 02 03:11:48 I'm looking forward to maemo on other phones. =-) Apr 02 03:12:11 I'm flashing to the us release now Apr 02 03:12:28 * joc wonders if he'll need to reflash when traveling.. ?? Apr 02 03:13:07 sorry i don't have better answers Apr 02 03:13:13 i think you may need an unlock code Apr 02 03:13:47 perhaps you can search the forums Apr 02 03:17:27 Looks like I need a puk. Apr 02 03:17:29 :) Apr 02 03:20:52 http://www.elisanet.fi/irggu/ Apr 02 03:21:23 There is my IRC client website if anyone is interested Apr 02 03:21:44 It is not yet in ovi store or maemo extra repositories Apr 02 03:21:54 but in the website there is deb for download Apr 02 03:36:54 games are just a ridiculous power drain on this thing Apr 02 03:37:56 I have a pc I built myself that I play games on. Apr 02 03:45:23 does the power kernel support ipv6 Apr 02 03:46:13 yep Apr 02 05:40:39 If someone happend to download my IRC client http://www.elisanet.fi/irggu/ download again I just found bug and fixed it. Apr 02 05:43:30 oh great just found another bug :S Apr 02 05:49:22 and now it is fixed Apr 02 07:34:17 good morning Apr 02 08:27:04 hi Apr 02 09:21:34 Morning, all Apr 02 10:19:45 morning, all Apr 02 10:20:55 MohammadAG: heya, about 4.7.2, not really, no significant maemo improvements, 4.7.4 is the one that will be interesting Apr 02 10:21:23 achipa, so should I revert commits back to 4.7.0 then compile that? Apr 02 10:21:56 hm, if you don't have the exact tag.... Apr 02 10:22:04 basically, I really need this https://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/commit/4b7e212918fb43495c44cb7948070a43318138de Apr 02 10:22:04 because the SSU one is not really even 4.7.0 Apr 02 10:22:56 o_O Apr 02 10:25:11 technically it was 4.7.0 RC Apr 02 10:25:19 IIRC Apr 02 10:26:09 though seems not much bugs there luckily Apr 02 10:26:38 MohammadAG: but the bottom line is, are you compiling gitorious sources, or something from maemo.org/nokia ? Apr 02 10:26:47 achipa, gitorious Apr 02 10:27:16 I need a source with git history, not sure if Nokia's sources from the repos includes the .git dir Apr 02 10:27:50 right Apr 02 10:28:17 in that case I would try 4.7.2 Apr 02 10:28:31 there is a slim chance that we might see a few regressions Apr 02 10:28:53 I remember seeing some apps actually relying on buggy behaviour but can't remember what it was for the life of me... Apr 02 10:29:49 achipa, there should be no ABI breaks right? Apr 02 10:30:06 emphasis on should Apr 02 10:30:21 also, I should rename qt4-experimental to qt4-maemo5 right? Apr 02 10:30:32 in theory Qt is binary backward and forward compatible Apr 02 10:30:39 NOOOO !!!!! Apr 02 10:30:59 MohammadAG: *-maemo5 qt packages should have never been named like that Apr 02 10:31:40 qt4-x11? Apr 02 10:32:01 cause that's what the default source package is called Apr 02 10:32:15 yes, I'd stick with that Apr 02 10:32:20 experimental in another thing again Apr 02 10:32:48 (we won't be seeing interest in experimental until QtQuick 1.1 IMHO) Apr 02 10:34:25 you can use the libqtm-11 packages as a base for mobility Apr 02 10:34:59 MohammadAG: though I might have not pushed all my mods... /me adds a todo item Apr 02 10:36:08 achipa, mobility can be upgraded outside the SSU though right? Apr 02 10:39:46 nope, it's a SSU package (because of Ovi, blah, blah) Apr 02 10:42:50 hey, where does openssh server on fremantle keep it's logs? Apr 02 10:44:33 I ask because I have a problem with key authentication - I copied my dsa public key to the n900 (~/.ssh/authorized_keys) and it still says "Permission denied" Apr 02 10:48:39 undefined reference to `gtk_widget_get_visible' <-- thoughts anyone? Apr 02 10:48:42 it logs through syslog. Syslog goes to /dev/null. If you install syslogd package from sdk/tools repo, and reboot, logs appear in /va/log. Uninstall syslogd after youamve resolved the issue, so that logs don't fill up diskspace. Apr 02 10:54:32 ShadowJK: thanks Apr 02 11:22:38 any thoughts why N900 sometimes reboots while unpacking large archives (tar.gz > 100MB)? Apr 02 11:23:07 Even if no reboot occured device becomes really laggy. Swapplube is installed and activated, and it does help a little but not too much. Apr 02 11:24:37 The archive itself is on the vfat partition and unpacked to the same partition. Apr 02 11:35:53 overclocked? Apr 02 11:40:50 divan, wanna try these settings? 1 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_background_ratio, 40 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio, 3000 > dirty_expire_centisecs, 5 > page-cluster, 10 > swappiness, 100 > vfs_cache_pressure, 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests, 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests Apr 02 11:40:58 untested, because I don't like reboots Apr 02 11:41:00 :P Apr 02 11:42:11 ShadowJK, thanks, I'll try to play with it. Apr 02 12:39:53 is it possible to manage upnp-av devices from N900? Zhaam looks good, but misses a lot of items from my music libary Apr 02 13:10:33 Is there any non-GUI tool to configure tracker? Except sed. Apr 02 13:14:11 * DocScrutinizer never pondered to *uninstall* syslogd Apr 02 13:18:48 divan, perl! But seriously, nope, not that I know of Apr 02 13:19:05 you can check out these Apr 02 13:19:08 tracker-files tracker-meta-folder tracker-query tracker-services tracker-status tracker-unique Apr 02 13:19:08 tracker-info tracker-processes tracker-search tracker-stats tracker-tag Apr 02 13:19:26 DocScrutinizer, I just echo "" > /var/log/syslog every once in a while Apr 02 13:19:37 * DocScrutinizer too Apr 02 13:20:02 nah I even just ">/var/log/syslog" Apr 02 13:22:55 MohammadAG, the tracker-utils does other things. Ok, I think I'll do it with QSettings, the format is pretty much .ini. Apr 02 13:24:53 divan, keep in mind, QSettings will freak out with comments, which tracker.cfg has Apr 02 13:26:45 MohammadAG, hmm thanks. Apr 02 13:27:51 divan, to see what I mean, open the file with QSettings, do QSettings::sync() or write some value, all # will be changed to some numbers (UTF-8 code?) Apr 02 13:29:28 MohammadAG, yeah, I've got it. You're right, it will rewrite the original file. Not sure I want to do this with tracker cfg. But I have to find easy and reliable way to add one dir to NoWatchDirectory (if not added already). Apr 02 13:30:02 Perhaps sed is the best choice. Apr 02 13:31:32 divan, looks at mceledpattern Apr 02 13:31:59 it edits /etc/mce/mce.ini to include new patterns, but the concept is the same Apr 02 13:32:42 I guess that's it. sed -e '/NoWatchDirectory/s:$HOME\/MyDocs\/Games;::' -e '/NoWatchDirectory/s:$:$HOME\/MyDocs\/Games;:' /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg Apr 02 13:32:51 MohammadAG, thanks for the tips, I'll take a look. Apr 02 13:39:00 MohammadAG: (QSettings will freak out...) WUT? I start to learn to hate Qt more every single day Apr 02 13:39:25 DocScrutinizer, it doesn't expect comments Apr 02 13:40:01 I don't expect real humans in that development dept Apr 02 13:40:45 they must have outsourced development to next zoo Apr 02 13:42:23 xD Apr 02 13:44:13 Moo, folks Apr 02 13:44:18 moo Apr 02 13:44:35 What? Qt Hate setting in? =) Apr 02 13:46:55 yep Apr 02 13:47:36 seems every other day there's some new OMFG *facepalm* shit surfacing Apr 02 13:48:49 The important thing is to fix it though Apr 02 13:48:52 it feels like Fukushima: Nokia burrying whole maemo/meego under a sticky layer of Qt shit to neutralize it Apr 02 13:49:10 I think Qt people (thiago et al) are active at #meego, so you can complain there =) Apr 02 13:50:28 I'd not know where to start. having a generic filesensor object class that POLLS isn't sth you can discuss about. There's just one thing you can do: fire the whole dev team and move the source to dev(null Apr 02 13:51:49 it's clearly more effort to proofread the whole mess and correct it, than to start new from scratch with a team that has a clue Apr 02 13:53:45 what's default file ownership for /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg ? I rewrited it under root, can someone check? Apr 02 13:54:34 system architecture and linrary development is like hw EE: it MUST be correct prior to mass production/deployment, otherwise you have to live with shit for ever. That's clearly a point where app devels regularly fail each and every time Apr 02 13:55:21 -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 2867 Mar 30 2010 tracker.cfg Apr 02 13:55:21 divan Apr 02 13:56:07 SpeedEvil, thanks! Apr 02 13:56:31 Doc: Talk to thiago, in as politically correct terms as possible Apr 02 13:56:50 Doc: Pick a few typical mistakes, and provide examples of why these APIs will not work Apr 02 13:56:57 divan: I hope you're not planning to publish something that's going to delete all comments from that config, just to make it work with some BS in Qt?! Apr 02 13:57:25 Point it out to him that once this crap solidifies, it will stay solid, making developers look elsewhere (direct DBus calls, etc) Apr 02 13:57:48 DocScrutinizer, no, don't worry. :) Apr 02 13:58:08 RST38h: you're right, but I'm extremely poor at those tasks Apr 02 14:05:29 RST38h: btw each time I tried to raise the topic (or a similar class of topic) at #meego, the answer of the self-nominating gods of meego had been "wait until V1.0 rolls out (some months), then you're free to provide patches" Apr 02 14:06:33 RST38h: ...so not even getting next to the elementary problem that is "you CAN NOT patch a fubar system architecture, you CAN NOT patch a fuckedup library API" Apr 02 14:09:09 that's why I started to hate meego, and that's where I start to hate Qt even more since a few days, as it intrudes and spoils our relatively nice maemo biotop Apr 02 14:12:09 It does everything in its power to discourage people who disagree with things from participating. Apr 02 14:12:12 ""sorry acme-coder, your app is really really nice, with a good concept, well designed UI, and all. But alas you used QtMobility and that renders your whole app useless. Thanks for your effort improving maemo user experience so far, we have to ask you to do nasty shit now to work around all the glitches in the Qt et al toolset"" Apr 02 14:15:00 looks like it really was a good idea to switch to rpm and qt ;p Apr 02 14:20:05 DocScrutinizer, actually, Qt is nice, Qt Mobility, not so sure about that Apr 02 14:26:24 MohammadAG: original trolltech team been extremely gifted talented young guys with a clue about how to implement a complex set of objects in a consistent manner. Seems things have changed a lot, probably since Trolltech became Nokia Apr 02 14:27:31 also QtMob is way more low level and hw depending, spoiling the abstract world of Qt devels Apr 02 14:28:10 s/spoiling/tainting/. Apr 02 14:28:36 at least that's my take on it Apr 02 14:29:40 or in short terms: kernel and hw aren't object oriented Apr 02 14:32:56 for the polling_the_proxswitch (filesensor) issue: they could have integrated kevents netlink socket concept into their signal&slot thing. But only if they whould understand about it, at least ever heard about it, were aware about nasty aspects of polling... Apr 02 14:38:52 Doc: Well, even when talking to these people correctly, the chance of getting things changed is still close to nil Apr 02 14:39:00 Doc: BUT, nothing prevents us from trying Apr 02 14:39:02 yes Apr 02 14:39:10 Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/02/qualcomms-1-5ghz-dual-core-msm8660-destroys-the-competition-in/ Apr 02 14:39:10 meh Apr 02 14:39:46 (notice that it is not Quallcomm against TI, but Quallcomm's 3D chip against PVR) Apr 02 14:40:17 Doc: What I kinda dislike about Qt people is the high-nosed approach to comments Apr 02 14:40:29 I'm done with trying, as I explained above. "wait, then provide patches" isn't any option for me. Not even a basis to start a discussion (probably stated exactly to achive this - stop any discussion) Apr 02 14:41:09 Doc: They easily fall into good-object-oriented-design discussion and start rolling around there, on their own mainly Apr 02 14:41:27 Maybe just needs to be better explained Apr 02 14:41:55 This is not something fixable with a patch. It is an architectural issue. Apr 02 14:42:06 my point Apr 02 14:43:16 I tried in vain to discuss this when it came to sensorfw and how to deal with exactly this polling_vs_IRQ-driven issues and decisions. Answer: "wait, then provide patches" Apr 02 14:44:57 Let us catch thiago next week Apr 02 14:45:05 Or someone else from the team Apr 02 14:45:16 haha Apr 02 14:45:16 the most disclosing statement been "we need to start *somewhere* and we need to roll out some stuff _quickly_. We can not afford to discuss system architecture right now" (OWTTE) Apr 02 14:45:51 I think it is possible to persuade him that they need to AT LEAST discuss it a bit, until it is too late Apr 02 14:45:56 sounds about right Apr 02 14:46:03 The direction of discussion may not be what you are expecting though Apr 02 14:46:05 sometimes it's hard to make people understand the problem Apr 02 14:46:26 BTW, the sensors poll stuff is going on since Maemo5 APIs Apr 02 14:46:57 pupnik: honestly. that exact reason is why open src fails on closed devices Apr 02 14:47:06 you can't get fired Apr 02 14:47:09 At that time, I got a response from Nokia guys that these low level APIs are done by platform (?) people who say this is the only way they can expose them Apr 02 14:47:12 :) Apr 02 14:47:44 on the other hand, maybe you don't understand their constraints. Apr 02 14:47:54 Basically, to do all that signals stuff, you either have to poll at the platform level, OR have some way to set up interrupts Apr 02 14:47:58 RST38h: MUHAHA. Ok they might have been right sometime around <2006 Apr 02 14:48:25 I suspect that they are either unable or unwilling to set up interrupt handlers for all this stuff Apr 02 14:49:04 platform-level polling will obviously kill your battery Apr 02 14:49:14 well, seems at least lis302 driver DOES set up a correct standard sysfs with kevent Apr 02 14:52:01 but this one (written by Nokia) isn't good enough for meego, as is the (slightly better I heard) lis302 driver from OM. Instead they use a "upstream" (WTF?!) lis3lv02 or similar driver in meego, which is clearly designed to service a wired joystick and has no idea about proper exploiting IRQ capabilities of lis302/N900 Apr 02 14:52:51 Doc: Won't Stskeeps be the person to address this? Apr 02 14:53:10 And the Nokia guys who have not pushed their driver upstream? Apr 02 14:53:15 been there, done that... through with it Apr 02 14:53:28 ok Apr 02 14:54:23 heh Apr 02 14:54:26 it's not about this one driver. It's about a mindset aware of the design principle basics. See filesensor in Qt, exact duplicate of the sensorfw/lis302 driver thing Apr 02 14:54:37 there is always option b... make your own phone Apr 02 14:54:43 :) Apr 02 14:55:16 Doc: Well, they did not think about it too much =) Apr 02 14:55:31 Macer: He already has, it did not work =) Apr 02 14:55:40 whole meego folks are designing like a handheld is a small desktop with unlimited CPU grunt and battery capacity from a mains cable Apr 02 14:55:56 RST38h: exactly Apr 02 14:56:19 and they don't like to get called out on it now. "We'll deal with that later" Apr 02 14:56:53 app coder attitude Apr 02 14:57:08 Doc: Weeeelll... You know, it is primarily designed for Atom-based SoCs... Apr 02 14:57:15 they haven't got the idea you CAN NOT patch system architecture Apr 02 14:57:22 They have. Apr 02 14:57:29 You just have not explained well enough. Apr 02 14:59:08 they haven't! when I asked where to find a whitepaper about design principles and guidelines like "Do NOT poll (and how this affects things like sensorfw)" they didn't even answer Apr 02 14:59:41 (whitepaper related to meego foundation, not a generic one) Apr 02 15:01:21 Macer: RST38h (it didn't work) of course it did, and still does. It just doesn't sell Apr 02 15:02:22 Macer: and NB the N900 hw is excellent Apr 02 15:05:11 Macer: there are guys that build "our own phone" software. see FSO, SHR, #openmoko-cdevel et al Apr 02 15:05:29 * RST38h starts giggling Apr 02 15:07:00 :) Apr 02 15:08:02 RST38h: compare SHR-N900 with meego-handheld-ux/arm, then you'll stop giggling. At least when you consider those are like 8..15guys working on porting SHR to like 5 different platforms, while meego-arm team is what? several dozen? even paid by companies? Apr 02 15:09:36 any link for SHR-N900? and will it actually be usable? Apr 02 15:10:28 Never. Apr 02 15:10:36 Neither will Meego-N900 though, I guess Apr 02 15:10:54 but that's probably the big advantage of SHR/FSO team. they are few, and even so I'm not an active participating devel they listen when I rise a topic, and decisions are made based on common sense Apr 02 15:10:56 I thought the whole point of the nokia developer edition effort is to get a usable meego on the n900 Apr 02 15:13:00 RST38h: hahahaha Apr 02 15:13:48 ruskie is one of the crazies Apr 02 15:14:26 once ms got their claws into nokia you can kiss anything nokia makes that was good... goodbye Apr 02 15:15:54 although there hasnt been many things good that came out of nokia since the early 2000s Apr 02 15:17:05 ruskie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related SHR running on N900. State as of 6 months ago Apr 02 15:18:32 NB I'm not stating it had a better UI or whatever. Just saying there are projects that perform better than meego, on a conceptual level Apr 02 15:19:40 plenty of those around Apr 02 15:20:03 and soon hackable:1 too Apr 02 15:24:28 hmm shr looks interesting UX wise Apr 02 15:34:33 ruskie: enlightenment & illume based (whatever that means :-D ) Apr 02 15:35:19 basically a lot of that stuff is from rasterman Apr 02 15:35:30 always good Apr 02 15:47:59 ruskie: the major difference probably is: it's targeted at bringing true linux to handheld users. Not - like maemo and even more meego - bring handheld to windoze lusers while exploiting the benefits of a free-as-in-beer OS Apr 02 15:48:29 Sony CEO May Have Inadvertently Revealed iPhone 5's 8MP Camera Apr 02 15:48:59 why is sony making press releases about apple products? Apr 02 15:49:23 Apr 02 15:49:54 tank: ran out of their own Apr 02 15:49:55 8MP? Apr 02 15:50:01 8mp in a slim phone. Can't pan out, as we discussed just yesterday here Apr 02 15:50:12 I think they supply the camera units Apr 02 15:50:24 Doc: Enter Nokia E7 Apr 02 15:50:38 eh? Apr 02 15:50:39 Doc: With a fixed focus camera that can't read barcodes =) Apr 02 15:51:17 * RST38h does not use phone cameras that much, but has to admit that E7's unit is bad even by his very low standards Apr 02 15:51:50 the ever-higher-numbers hype is such a brainfart thing, for CPU clock freq as much as for camera mp Apr 02 15:51:56 The photo/video editing software Nokia ships on these Symbian^3 phones is pretty damn nice though Apr 02 15:52:18 Doc: also see screen resolutions. Apr 02 15:54:38 for CPU you want higher MFLOPS etc, not higher clock. For camera you want larger sensor area for beter pictures, not 57mp with a plastic lens size of a pinhead, and a sensor area of 6mm^2 Apr 02 15:59:29 wonder why the N900 front cam is so damn poor quality? even with a mere 640*480? Simply because it's so damn small, it has to be so small to fit into the screen housing. This causes small sensor area, which in turn yields poor sesitivity (you need much light), and still gives lots of noise. You easily could build such a small cam with like 10mp, but it's utterly useless, even making things worse, as area per pixel gets much lower Apr 02 16:01:47 I really wish they were to limit MPs to 8 and just increase the dynamic range Apr 02 16:03:05 I still don't get how the iPhone 4 gets quite good pics Apr 02 16:03:18 and I don't get why the f it has two mics Apr 02 16:03:26 stereo recording Apr 02 16:05:00 nope Apr 02 16:05:10 at least I don't think it does Apr 02 16:05:20 since one mic was broken, but audio recording went fine Apr 02 16:06:25 MohammadAG: (2 mics) ambient noise cancellation Apr 02 16:06:48 Mohammad: They are not good pics Apr 02 16:07:18 MohammadAG: (good pics) they use extremely long shutter times, and combine the partial pictures taken to compose something not too shakey - that's my take on it Apr 02 16:07:29 Mohammad: What iPhone does is a bit of cheating. It "colors" its pics into vidid colors and does some more clever preprocessing Apr 02 16:07:46 so basically like everyone else Apr 02 16:07:47 Mohammad: This way, they become optimized for viewing on small screens or publishing on websites Apr 02 16:08:14 Mohammad: But try printing one like you do with a normal digital photo, and you will see that it is not Apr 02 16:08:22 Or at least try zooming at it =) Apr 02 16:08:39 yeah, where's those 5mp then? :-P Apr 02 16:08:55 BS Apr 02 16:09:00 There was a nice comparison with someone making a picture of some London street with iPhone and aNokia Apr 02 16:09:27 iPhone picture was brighter, had brighter colors with the warm yellowish tint Apr 02 16:09:31 heh Apr 02 16:09:40 Nokia picture was gray and sad looking Apr 02 16:09:45 HDR doesn't work on the iPhone 4 Apr 02 16:10:10 So they argued for ever and ever until some Londoner said "whaddayawant? it is *really* that sad and grey here!" Apr 02 16:10:11 take a photo of someone with the sun in the background, they'll be "black" Apr 02 16:10:33 RST38h: LOL -point set and match Apr 02 16:10:49 +game Apr 02 16:11:52 Mohammad: also see this nice artefact: http://zeitgeistinapetiole.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/propeller-photo-taken-with-iphone/ Apr 02 16:12:13 (comes from Apple saving money on that camera) Apr 02 16:12:52 exactly what I meant by "they combine partial pictures" Apr 02 16:14:12 really funny that one Apr 02 16:14:54 that's what happens when higly evolved postprocessing fails on the assumtions taken about what the cam looked at Apr 02 16:14:58 hey everyone... Just got my N900 back from repair (USB/charger connector broke loose) During the time just before I shipped it, the intermittent connectivity cause the flash and my 8GB microsd card to become corrupted. I fixed the flash by flashing N900 back to defaults and restoring from a backup, but the microsd is corrupted. How can I partition microsd (I have no external microSD reader) Apr 02 16:15:48 umm Apr 02 16:15:54 fdisk is not present on device, but sfdisk is Apr 02 16:16:18 fdisk also doesn't really help here Apr 02 16:16:40 neither soes sfdisk Apr 02 16:16:58 you need to mkfs, to format the disk/card Apr 02 16:16:59 right... Is it possible the microsd is damaged beyond repair? Apr 02 16:17:09 possible Apr 02 16:17:14 but maybe unlikely Apr 02 16:18:01 most simple way afaik is to erase the first few blocks, then reinsert it and you'll get the option to "format card" in filemanager Apr 02 16:18:12 hmmm, I was going to mkfs.vfat the whole card, but thought it neede to have 1 vfat partition, and not the whole 'device' be vfat. Apr 02 16:18:20 you might try if this option is already there right now Apr 02 16:18:22 DocScrutinizer: hmmm... ok Apr 02 16:18:46 yeah, when I insert the card, I get a yellow banner something like "memory card corrupted" Apr 02 16:18:55 so I have nothing to lose Apr 02 16:19:08 open filemanager, see what context menu shows Apr 02 16:20:35 mtnbkr: yes, you usually want one partition rather than superfloppy format Apr 02 16:20:53 Memory card/ "Memory card format unsupported" Apr 02 16:23:12 mtnbkr: as long as the card shows up in filemanager, you should probably see "format" in context menu of the card (click&hold) Apr 02 16:23:44 it starts to get tricky if the card doesn't show up at all Apr 02 16:23:44 AHHH! I never saw nor thought of that... trying now... Thanks Apr 02 16:24:05 yw Apr 02 16:26:12 Hmmm... a yellow banner flashed "formatting memory" but it goes away quickly... should there be any other indication, like a % complete status? Apr 02 16:27:31 formatting shouldn't take time Apr 02 16:28:00 another closed source component down the drain, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-statusmenu-fmtx Apr 02 16:28:19 \o/ Apr 02 16:28:43 is that a .so plugin? Apr 02 16:29:03 arg... it still shows up as "Memory card format unsupported" when I try go into it using filemanager Apr 02 16:29:09 yeah Apr 02 16:29:42 qwerty12 rewrote it last year, I added some configuration options and got rid of my old system()-filled edits Apr 02 16:29:43 mtnbkr: remount it (i.e. open and close battery cover) Apr 02 16:30:03 also, check dmesg Apr 02 16:30:14 well, in a shell, dmesg shows I/O errors when I attempt the format from the filemanager Apr 02 16:30:31 maybe the card's dead? Apr 02 16:30:38 yup Apr 02 16:30:50 I think so. Apr 02 16:31:01 it is very new actually. Apr 02 16:31:06 dang. Apr 02 16:31:26 last resort: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count= Apr 02 16:32:00 please doublecheck that command, it comes without any warranty, neither explicit nor implied :-) Apr 02 16:32:03 What is the name of the phone app in maemo? Apr 02 16:32:11 DocScrutinizer: hah I did that (almost) already... didn't do the whole card though... what've I got to lose... here goes. :) Apr 02 16:32:28 heh, I have a 4 year old 16GB microSD that's working fine, a 3 month old 4GB one died on me Apr 02 16:32:35 rtcom-call-ui Apr 02 16:32:37 no, that looks OK Apr 02 16:34:32 olaa Apr 02 16:34:35 hellow Apr 02 16:34:57 MohammadAG: Is there any way to increase the speaker volume? I can barely hear people if I'm not using a BT headset. Apr 02 16:35:00 there is a beautiful guy heree Apr 02 16:35:04 i need a guy Apr 02 16:35:08 hot guay Apr 02 16:35:14 no that I know of Apr 02 16:35:35 damn that was fast DocScrutinizer Apr 02 16:35:43 hah Apr 02 16:35:58 Must have hit a nerve ;) Apr 02 16:36:03 but it needs a guy Apr 02 16:36:05 I'm a better bot than that lousy spam script Apr 02 16:36:19 ha Apr 02 16:36:42 actually: Apr 02 16:36:46 [2011-04-02 18:30:00] hellow Apr 02 16:36:47 [2011-04-02 18:30:07] [Whois] IR1095 ist ~ircap8@154.Red-79-148-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net (IRcap[8.2] www.ircap.com) Apr 02 16:37:15 Does anyone else find it difficult to hear ppl? Now that more and more ppl are starting to use voip I'm finding it a bit of a problem. Apr 02 16:38:41 I find it weird how if I move the device up/down 1cm volume is greatly decreased Apr 02 16:39:00 anyway, I'm usually using a headset while calling Apr 02 16:46:21 steve___: try amixer Apr 02 16:46:45 75 files to upload in the next CSSU update :S Apr 02 16:46:58 = 48 new packages Apr 02 16:47:11 err alsamixer -c0 Apr 02 16:47:55 o/ Apr 02 16:47:59 bbl Apr 02 16:50:36 DocScrutinizer: PCM is 100 Apr 02 16:51:20 I'll fiddle with the other levels. Apr 02 16:52:05 do during call. Don't miss on resetting each one to original level when it isn't the right one Apr 02 16:53:11 you might want to use amixer (sic!) to get a dump of current state, prior to fiddling with alsamixer Apr 02 16:53:34 l8r Apr 02 17:16:51 Why did Google have to go and make search so bloated and useless. Apr 02 17:17:22 The better to show you ads with. Apr 02 17:18:16 you can turn most of theshit off. Apr 02 17:20:01 SpeedEvil, how? Apr 02 17:22:27 DocScrutinizer: No change. Apr 02 17:24:54 GAN900: If you mean the instant search results. Apr 02 17:26:41 GAN900: Setup a google account, login, then set 'search settings' Apr 02 17:26:59 you can turn off instnat search Apr 02 17:29:10 GAN900, or just use scroogle Apr 02 17:29:24 ruskie, good plan. Apr 02 17:29:35 I hate that they insist on hijacking a bunch of keys Apr 02 17:29:49 up/down arrow should go to the start and end of the line on a Mac. Apr 02 17:30:04 Not scroll through your inane suggested completions. Apr 02 17:32:50 GAN900++ Apr 02 17:33:14 otoh, cmd+k or cmd+f-tab give you a perfectly standard search box Apr 02 17:33:26 (not sure if safari has a particular hotkey) Apr 02 17:33:52 JavaScript is too much an aberation Apr 02 17:34:12 Tired of sites monkeying with my browser. Apr 02 17:34:25 It's too bad Firefox on OS X is so uselessly terrible. Apr 02 17:39:53 GAN900, s/Firefox on // Apr 02 17:40:39 luke-jr, dunno, it works fairly well on Windows. Apr 02 17:42:37 s/on OS X// Apr 02 17:44:03 ¿que? Apr 02 17:44:06 firefox works perfectly fine here Apr 02 17:44:14 and if you really want, there's always camino Apr 02 17:44:18 which is cute ^_^ Apr 02 17:45:00 Camino's dead, now. Apr 02 17:45:10 Gecko's embedded support is ending Apr 02 17:45:25 Besides, sort of defeats the advantage without the plugins. Apr 02 17:45:34 :( Apr 02 17:49:53 mv Corsac /dev/null Apr 02 18:05:41 Firefox is epic Apr 02 18:13:09 as in epic slow Apr 02 18:13:29 tbh. new firefox is just opera clone Apr 02 18:15:10 Just installed 4 this morning. Apr 02 18:15:17 We'll see if I hate it any less. Apr 02 18:27:22 jacekowski, I see it more of a chromium clone Apr 02 19:47:41 The better to show you ads with. Apr 02 20:14:28 jacekowski: (as in epic slow) Just because I've been in a pub and reading this on xchat-n900 it wasn't first to answer exactly that :-D Apr 02 20:15:13 DocScrutinizer: ? Apr 02 20:15:28 DocScrutinizer: are you talking about my firefox looking like opera comment? Apr 02 20:15:30 [2011-04-02 20:01:05] Firefox is epic Apr 02 20:15:47 [2011-04-02 20:08:34] as in epic slow Apr 02 20:16:16 actually, it's quite fast Apr 02 20:16:37 not here, not on a 1.8GHz dual-core :-P Apr 02 20:16:56 2.4GHz quad core :P Apr 02 20:17:12 with some weird Intel turboboost to 2.93GHz stuff Apr 02 20:17:16 so show my sth that's NOT fast on this CPU Apr 02 20:18:08 prolly you'll find few apps to be slow, except a 2 FF running concurrently Apr 02 20:18:10 i used firefox 3 on a 350mhz pentium 2 with 64mb of ram Apr 02 20:18:11 on freebsd Apr 02 20:18:12 it was fast Apr 02 20:19:47 well, to give some flesh to the bones: i'll start FF *now* Apr 02 20:20:07 and now it opens Apr 02 20:20:31 about:blank Apr 02 20:20:38 no content to render Apr 02 20:21:33 I'll do the same Apr 02 20:21:37 time, from ... now Apr 02 20:21:43 opened Apr 02 20:22:00