**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 06 02:59:58 2011 Apr 06 03:15:11 "In the future, we will have battery-powered supercomputers the size of a candy bar, with built-in high-resolution monitors, keyboards, speakers... and movie cameras" Apr 06 03:15:34 "... and people who complain about them all day in forums" Apr 06 03:47:17 computer size of a candybar with built-in 40" high-res monitor - sure Apr 06 03:47:51 the kbd also sounds like a nuisance Apr 06 03:49:44 DocScrutinizer: i think high res projectors built into glasses might be a solution? Apr 06 07:00:42 now player can select spells using FN+[wertyuio] Apr 06 07:30:28 any nokians online? Apr 06 07:30:58 Nokians? Apr 06 07:31:23 people working for nokia Apr 06 07:32:38 Oh Apr 06 07:32:50 Loads Apr 06 07:33:08 But why would they want to talk to you? :P Apr 06 07:33:40 cause I want to know how to connect to irssi inside Nokia intra :) Apr 06 07:34:46 See pm Apr 06 07:36:02 But yeah, most are in #meego and #meego-arm :) Apr 06 07:59:38 plr: yes Apr 06 08:00:29 plr: there's an ssh gateway if you don't mind giving out ssh keys to a box, you can use it to port forward a normal ssh server Apr 06 08:00:49 or you can try to use the https proxy to CONNECT to an ssh server (corkscrew?) Apr 06 08:05:29 timeless_w7ip: yeah I got the proxy working now Apr 06 08:29:22 hello here Apr 06 08:29:44 does anyone has a n900 w/ ipv6 support ? Apr 06 08:30:05 technically "yes" Apr 06 08:30:21 since there was a Nokia Palo Alto research project which provided a ipv6 stack Apr 06 08:30:49 timeless_w7ip: and the kernel is available for flashing ? Apr 06 08:31:01 but please note that "ipv6 support" in the realm "phones" is ambiguous and confusing Apr 06 08:32:48 i want to test a 802.11 mesh protocols that used ipv6 natively (babeld : http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/babel/) Apr 06 08:33:01 http://n900-ipv6.garage.maemo.org/ ? Apr 06 08:33:11 so I need the kernel to support the routing of ipv6 packets Apr 06 08:34:00 well you need modules that give that to the native kernel... Apr 06 08:34:43 ruskie: what modules exactly ? Apr 06 08:35:16 or you could try reading the link i provided.. Apr 06 08:39:10 timeless_w7ip: I am on it just reacting to modules Apr 06 08:39:27 modules meaning not flashing a newer kernel :) Apr 06 08:40:31 * timeless_w7ip shrugs Apr 06 08:42:53 massoud not until they are built-in Apr 06 08:54:29 * chem|st_ facepalms Apr 06 08:55:42 chem|st, ? Apr 06 08:56:07 if i built new kernel i need to flash with it, or i don't have? Apr 06 08:56:54 recognized yesterday that projectmanagement used an internal password for an external website registration Apr 06 08:57:45 ZogG: you can flash the kernel from inside maemo?! Apr 06 08:57:53 afair Apr 06 08:58:08 тщ Apr 06 08:58:12 ok Apr 06 08:58:29 the stack should be preinstalled Apr 06 08:58:51 as nothingelse does a PR do Apr 06 09:00:04 ZogG: you can flash the kernel from inside maemo?! Apr 06 09:00:09 yes, duh :P Apr 06 09:00:51 softupd --local -vv & flasher -k zImage --local Apr 06 09:01:12 I might have forgotten -f, not sure if it's needed, sue me :P Apr 06 09:01:16 oh and morning Apr 06 09:02:14 good morning MohammadAG Apr 06 09:03:07 hehe Apr 06 09:03:30 MohammadAG: I still cannot figure out how that timer works as it seems to be weird as 240 gives >60min but <240min Apr 06 09:12:39 Morning, all Apr 06 09:24:30 Jaffa: morning Apr 06 09:25:30 it's already midday lazy maemoers Apr 06 09:25:33 DocScrutinizer: guess X-Fade is to lazy to scroll for the highlighted request for me on access-list Apr 06 09:25:54 ~ugt Apr 06 09:25:54 extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Apr 06 09:26:05 ~UGT Apr 06 09:26:05 from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Apr 06 09:26:20 ZogG: ^^ Apr 06 09:27:52 chem|st, ok mommy Apr 06 09:28:41 if i use some app from not off repos, and than it gets to repos with greater version, does i get update? Apr 06 09:28:48 do* Apr 06 09:37:28 yesa Apr 06 09:37:32 -a Apr 06 09:48:08 chem|st, access-list? Apr 06 09:48:44 I need to stop doing that Apr 06 09:53:56 playing the game always costs me around 360 mA Apr 06 09:54:43 lol Apr 06 09:54:48 you are too greedy Apr 06 09:55:00 your wife would love you Apr 06 09:55:32 lol @ message cross posted to maemo-users and maemo-developers Apr 06 09:56:01 * lardman can't be bothered to reply "in the repositories" Apr 06 09:56:49 lardman hey sup? Apr 06 09:56:49 yup Apr 06 09:57:03 hi ZogG Apr 06 09:57:11 and morning all :) Apr 06 09:57:23 so subtracting 110-120mA for screen, the game itself pulls about 250mA Apr 06 09:57:35 hi lardman Apr 06 09:57:38 this bums me out Apr 06 09:58:43 one thing about games designed for PCs is power consumption wasnt an issue for them Apr 06 10:00:30 hmm, well there are certainly power saving measures one could take, but fundamentally games are a non-essential use of a portable device Apr 06 10:00:50 though now I think about it there are such things as PSP, gameboys, etc., so perhaps my worldview is wrong ;) Apr 06 10:04:54 heh Apr 06 10:05:17 lardman: basically the whole game updates whole screen as fast as it can Apr 06 10:05:28 cpu and power savings can be *huge* in this game since Apr 06 10:05:32 oh, no framerate limit Apr 06 10:05:40 oh you can put one in Apr 06 10:05:50 but it still redraws everything once every x ms Apr 06 10:06:01 so restructuring the client to only update specific regions is needed Apr 06 10:06:06 what's the game? Apr 06 10:06:08 and only 'on movement' Apr 06 10:06:10 daimonin Apr 06 10:06:22 so not a first person shooter Apr 06 10:06:24 :) Apr 06 10:06:29 do things only happen on movement? Apr 06 10:06:51 http://www.daimonin.org/forums/daimonin-project/800x480-widget-client/ Apr 06 10:07:03 ruskie: pretty much - a few tiny icons do update themselves Apr 06 10:07:34 but i'm hoping the game author gets inspired to do the revamp Apr 06 10:07:38 I would asume anythin in world to move around as well Apr 06 10:07:39 i'm focusing on playability Apr 06 10:07:44 yup Apr 06 10:08:07 ah I see, an isometric tile based game Apr 06 10:08:17 http://i.imgur.com/P5BH5.jpg most recent screenshot Apr 06 10:08:59 i got all the game graphics upscaled via hq2x :) Apr 06 10:18:41 andre__: no glib comment, you were very kind to him :) Apr 06 10:19:22 haha Apr 06 10:23:28 hi andre Apr 06 10:26:50 morn Apr 06 10:44:32 chem|st: I guess X-Fade doesn't look at his IRC client or simply ignores me, as I queried him with same suggestion Apr 06 11:35:52 Hey all Apr 06 11:38:27 why would one need to flash the eMMC ? Apr 06 11:39:38 update the stuff that's on there? Apr 06 11:39:43 place Meego on it? Apr 06 11:44:59 DocScrutinizer: nvm Apr 06 11:55:41 drack: frequently to fix a corrupted filesystem Apr 06 11:56:49 fsck.vfat tends to take hours and more often than not fails to fix in the end Apr 06 11:56:56 on eMMC Apr 06 11:56:58 How can I add support for LEAP Security? Apr 06 11:58:58 hey is Nicolai from tmo ever here? Apr 06 12:00:01 good morning Apr 06 12:01:44 morning Apr 06 12:03:07 Hello hello Apr 06 12:04:25 is there a problem with the repos currently? Apr 06 12:12:45 DocScrutinizer im about to flash my n900 so do i need to flash eMMC or not? Apr 06 12:13:26 drack: that clearly depends on what you want to accomplish Apr 06 12:13:59 if i make changes to the kernel Apr 06 12:14:24 how do i restore it? Apr 06 12:14:25 changes to kernel don't require flashing of VANILLA/eMMC Apr 06 12:14:33 ok good Apr 06 12:14:43 iwant to put on neopwn Apr 06 12:14:51 and bleeding edge wifi Apr 06 12:14:53 drack: simple way: flash COMBINED Apr 06 12:15:20 drack: more involved method, flash the original kernel and modules Apr 06 12:16:04 then you want to flash COMBINED to reset kernel and rootfs to original state Apr 06 12:16:44 as neopwn clearly isn't only kernel but also the whole (root-file)system changes Apr 06 12:17:36 what is combined? the methode? Apr 06 12:18:10 *COMBINED* is the filename of the corresponding fiasko image Apr 06 12:18:23 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ? Apr 06 12:18:31 yo Apr 06 12:19:00 yes? Apr 06 12:19:03 yes Apr 06 12:19:06 k Apr 06 12:20:30 so then i run this ? flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Apr 06 12:20:40 yes Apr 06 12:20:55 sweet Apr 06 13:23:04 infobot: ping Apr 06 13:23:05 ~pong Apr 06 13:23:10 afternoon DocScrutinizer Apr 06 13:23:18 hi pupnik Apr 06 13:25:09 praise the creator for giving us the choice between virtue and vice Apr 06 13:28:33 How can I add support for LEAP Security (wireless network)? Apr 06 13:29:57 dunno moud Apr 06 13:32:36 pupnik: thats ok, lets hope that someone can help me. Apr 06 13:34:18 MOUD: what's the matter? Apr 06 13:35:44 The wireless connection in the company requires LEAP Security to connect to it (it uses a Username/Password). The problem is that N900 doesnt support LEAP (it's not in the list of supported security). Apr 06 13:35:58 mhmm Apr 06 13:37:33 hi all Apr 06 13:37:41 hey phap Apr 06 13:38:01 hi MOUD Apr 06 13:38:02 hello Apr 06 13:38:15 don't worry I have no questions today Apr 06 13:38:23 hehe Apr 06 13:38:41 but anyway I can maybe learn something Apr 06 13:38:47 MohammadAG: ping Apr 06 13:44:33 DocScrutinizer regarding hostmode, once vbus boost is on and usb device is connected, is there any "event" i can catch that will tell me that the device is registered? (other that manually checking dmesg output) Apr 06 13:44:59 not afaik Apr 06 13:45:07 udev Apr 06 13:45:18 but that's after enum Apr 06 13:46:14 should there be any pause between vbus boost and enum or can i execute them without any pause between? Apr 06 13:46:36 there reasonably is quite some pause Apr 06 13:46:48 Well. Moorning all. Apr 06 13:46:58 morning Apr 06 13:47:23 though you can repeat enum as often as you like, and also it will keep trying for a while afaik Apr 06 13:47:45 sorry, I'm quite dizzy atm, so might be not of much help Apr 06 13:48:10 so i can run enum in a loop with few secs sleep time Apr 06 13:48:17 and wait for udev signal? Apr 06 13:48:35 I guess you could, modulo my last post Apr 06 13:48:57 where "few seconds" is like 30 Apr 06 13:49:06 as some devices are really slow Apr 06 13:49:18 didnt know that, ty for the tip Apr 06 13:50:21 also, i've seen in some dmesg outputs that if i select the wrong device speed, it "complains" about that in the output Apr 06 13:50:50 is that everytime? could that be used to make auto selection of the speed? Apr 06 13:51:15 (i mean for every device or i just got lucky with that output) Apr 06 13:51:29 see - usually the USB controller would create an IRQ when a peripheral gets connected. Due to the forced-host trick we (have to) use and the implied limitations this IRQ will never come Apr 06 13:51:56 (autoselection) that'S been the plan Apr 06 13:53:02 DocScrutinizer: is there some wikipage that tells what the trick is and why it is necessary? Apr 06 13:53:10 how did you plan to implement autoselection? using the method i asked about or is there a better method? Apr 06 13:53:11 though honestly I consider to change that to providing this nfo via a more convenient channel (cat /sys/*/*/musb/state?) than via dmesg Apr 06 13:53:24 :-) ^^^ Apr 06 13:53:34 yeah :) Apr 06 13:54:29 polling dmesg for new lines is a major PITA Apr 06 13:54:42 lol Apr 06 13:54:48 exactly :/ Apr 06 13:55:14 DocScrutinizer: and Qtmobility guys will be happy Apr 06 13:55:25 yeah Apr 06 13:55:52 matches their take on approaching kernel domain things Apr 06 13:56:59 well, it's not that bad, as the time we have to poll for hostmode is rather limited to a few seconds after starting vboost Apr 06 13:58:39 yes, but it would be "nice" not to use it at all Apr 06 14:34:45 hey my nation Apr 06 14:40:50 MohammadAG, hey ping Apr 06 14:49:41 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/06/nokia_concept_phones/ <-- hehe Apr 06 15:00:42 "and i think to myself, what a wonderful world" Apr 06 15:07:09 * SpeedEvil realises the n900 product page in the UK store has gone away - not just saying 'no stock'. Apr 06 15:13:33 for every thing there is a season, SpeedEvil Apr 06 15:27:56 SpeedEvil: same on german nokia webshop Apr 06 15:29:10 some 2..4 weeks ago actually Apr 06 17:19:47 anyone want a space invaders game for n900? what i have so far took 2 evenings of qml Apr 06 17:20:15 http://www.piggz.co.uk/pgz-spaceinvaders_0.0.6_armel.deb Apr 06 17:20:23 \o/ Apr 06 17:26:33 lardman: ping Apr 06 18:00:39 anybody know how to enable backlight+screen from command line? Apr 06 18:01:12 i keep tapping the screen and that feels primitive Apr 06 18:06:45 pupnik: dbus-send Apr 06 18:07:43 pupnik: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html Apr 06 18:07:52 nice DocScrutinizer Apr 06 18:09:50 well Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "req_display_blanking_pause" with signature "" on interface "com.nokia.mce" doesn't exis Apr 06 18:09:54 still nice idea Apr 06 19:08:51 alterego, ping Apr 06 19:21:14 new version with fixed dependencies, and levels http://www.piggz.co.uk/pgz-spaceinvaders_0.0.7_armel.deb Apr 06 19:28:04 MohammadAG: yessir? Apr 06 19:28:26 alterego, another stacked window broke and is hanging the UI, I didn't make any changes :/ Apr 06 19:28:35 git diff shows no changes on the file, at all Apr 06 19:28:49 Mohammad: BTW, modified Modest appears to hang on some emails Apr 06 19:28:56 s/hang/crash sorry Apr 06 19:29:06 yeah, there are bug reports on that Apr 06 19:30:34 Yeah, UI is single threaded. Apr 06 19:30:49 Do you have any multithreading in your application? Apr 06 19:31:19 alterego, no, it used to work before Apr 06 19:31:38 Is it always breaking? Apr 06 19:31:43 yes Apr 06 19:31:47 Hmm, Apr 06 19:31:50 CPU goes to 80%+ Apr 06 19:31:57 Does your app have any multithreading? Apr 06 19:32:01 no Apr 06 19:32:07 it doesn't need it Apr 06 19:32:13 Hmmm, Apr 06 19:32:41 Have you been running it through gdb? Apr 06 19:32:49 yes Apr 06 19:32:57 didn't see anything wrong Apr 06 19:33:02 and again, I made no changes Apr 06 19:33:26 I'm guessing you did a make distclean and build from scratch as well? Apr 06 19:33:41 yeah, thought of that Apr 06 19:39:30 Mohammad: Found CSSU Bugzilla. Left two bugs there. Sorry in advance for adding to the workload =) Apr 06 19:40:00 yo Apr 06 19:47:06 alterego, so, any thoughts? Apr 06 20:02:54 MohammadAG: not currently, :/ Apr 06 20:40:55 ha, fixed it Apr 06 20:43:02 ? Apr 06 20:47:17 hey MohammadAG, I've been trying to ping you for a few days Apr 06 20:47:34 alterego, was making too many instances of MafwSource Apr 06 20:47:43 Venemo, sup Apr 06 20:48:20 MohammadAG, care to answer to pm? :P Apr 06 20:50:23 Venemo, sorry if I don't reply for some time, I'm lagging like shit Apr 06 20:50:29 np MohammadAG :) Apr 06 21:05:23 Well. Moo. Apr 06 21:06:16 "Qt 4.7 will not be supported on S60 3rd Edition. For these devices your applications can use Qt 4.6.3 and Qt Mobility 1.1.2. Apr 06 21:06:37 Ah, it says S60e3 specifically, so S60e5 will support it... Apr 06 21:07:03 at least they supported that platform more than M5 :P Apr 06 21:07:43 Hell, supporting it less than M5 would actually be HARD to do! Apr 06 21:08:13 * SpeedEvil loves M5. Apr 06 21:08:22 It's my favourite thread. Apr 06 21:08:36 what's M5 Apr 06 21:08:49 Maemo 5 :P Apr 06 21:08:53 heh Apr 06 21:09:26 works pretty well for me Apr 06 21:09:57 and i love the kernel parameters for faster large file writes Apr 06 21:10:05 totally solved my problem copying large files Apr 06 21:10:59 what parameters? Apr 06 21:11:09 from that tmo thread about it Apr 06 21:12:04 the bug where the n900 kinda deadlocks when doing any kind of I/O? Apr 06 21:13:19 I'm still baffled at people having that issue after PR1.3 Apr 06 21:13:21 that bug sucks Apr 06 21:14:25 what issue? Apr 06 21:14:39 the one where IO kills the device Apr 06 21:15:15 Well, it is not "IO" but swapping and there is nowhere for it to go Apr 06 21:17:38 I'd be more interested in a fix for the incoming call choking effect Apr 06 21:18:36 kerio: fixed by some proc settings Apr 06 21:18:43 no lockups anymore Apr 06 21:18:46 yay Apr 06 21:19:22 i don't realy use phones so .. Apr 06 21:44:12 MohammadAG: you're choking when incoming call happens? Apr 06 21:44:50 pupnik: what's the settings you used? Apr 06 21:47:13 DocScrutinizer, no, my N900 is Apr 06 21:50:45 * DocScrutinizer ponders about rationale to make things like swappolube available to "standard" user "user" via sudoers, rather than via a proper authentication by some thing like kdesu. I mean what's the use I fixed that idiotic NOPASSWD for sudoers gainroot (aka rootsh) when this only works for shells but not for crazy system stuff like swappolube or cpufreq-gui Apr 06 21:53:17 heh i dont even know the default passwords... Apr 06 21:53:33 there are none, that's why :-P Apr 06 21:54:05 so removing NOPASSWD has no direct effect then? Apr 06 21:54:25 but you for sure *should* know your root pw if you installed sshd Apr 06 21:54:44 right which i didnt (only the client) Apr 06 21:56:09 removing NOPASSWD has a pretty nice effect of locking you out from your own root account then. But no worries, I think you can install sshd any time and you get to set a valid working pwd during the process Apr 06 21:56:33 also reinstalling rootsh *should* fix it Apr 06 21:56:40 hah ok Apr 06 21:56:45 MEH, I missed that Apr 06 21:56:50 :) Apr 06 21:57:04 DAMNDAMNDAMN Apr 06 21:57:20 apt-worker needs a wrapper? Apr 06 21:57:46 if you have the CSSU installed, yes Apr 06 21:57:49 or could I somehow nail it in any apt config? Apr 06 21:59:05 meh, simple. HAM also needs "kdesu". See what I came from? Apr 06 21:59:37 s/what/where/ Apr 06 21:59:38 DocScrutinizer meant: meh, simple. HAM also needs "kdesu". See where I came from? Apr 06 22:04:53 ok, how would I marry sudo with a simple requester to enter a password and click OK? I don't like to keep a xterm window open in background all the time for each app started via this kdesu-lookalike Apr 06 22:11:10 sudo <$(zenity --entry --text="starting HAM, enter root pw please") HAM ? Apr 06 22:14:13 meh, fail Apr 06 22:14:35 doesn't work, even if correct syntax used Apr 06 22:15:06 yeah passwords are usually read from /dev/tty... Apr 06 22:15:17 thought as much :-/ Apr 06 22:16:58 I guess unlike old dos there's no way to push some fake input onto the stdin fifo for a later invoked program to read it? Apr 06 22:18:03 ah there is sudo -A Apr 06 22:18:29 If the -A (askpass) option is specified, a (possibly graphical) helper program is executed to read the user's password and output the password to the standard output. Apr 06 22:18:44 or do sth like "echo dumdidaah >/proc/`pidof sudo`/fd/3" ? Apr 06 22:18:45 (assuming the sudo on the phone has that too...) Apr 06 22:19:01 port gksudo already Apr 06 22:19:21 wow for -A Apr 06 22:20:48 of course that'S not available on N900 sudo Apr 06 22:21:23 :( Apr 06 22:22:49 and, strange enough, that's not a link to messybox I find under `which sudo` Apr 06 22:23:21 MohammadAG: what's gksudo? Apr 06 22:23:55 A GUI that asks for a password Apr 06 22:24:15 it's used on Gnome based desktops, so should work fine with hildon Apr 06 22:24:31 KDE probably has some equivalent Apr 06 22:25:39 that's kdesu :-) Apr 06 22:26:20 so you ported that already, you said? :-D Apr 06 22:27:59 no, not yet :P Apr 06 22:29:31 has anything to do with desu desu desu? Apr 06 22:33:06 gnome 3 is cool Apr 06 22:33:24 besides the fact that it doesn't update the screen/window you're using un til you interract with it Apr 06 22:33:32 hence the typos above ^ Apr 06 22:34:36 A minor bug indeed =) Apr 06 22:47:53 MohammadAG: huh? Apr 06 23:03:01 Having multiple N900s is pretty epic. Apr 07 00:56:59 alterego: ^^ yeah! Apr 07 01:04:09 that took less time than planned :D Apr 07 01:04:13 playlists implemented Apr 07 01:08:55 Woo! Apr 07 01:12:50 http://i53.tinypic.com/v42y3l.jpg Apr 07 01:13:08 had to pull some playlists off a friend's iPod :p Apr 07 01:16:43 MohammadAG: when is somebody going to give you a job? Apr 07 01:19:31 GeneralAntilles, when I get a degree I guess :P Apr 07 01:41:20 Nokia-N900:~# du -h mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc Apr 07 01:41:21 600.0k mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc Apr 07 01:41:21 Nokia-N900:~# du -h /usr/bin/mediaplayer.launch Apr 07 01:41:41 not bad, considering how the FMTX dialog was rewritten **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 07 02:59:59 2011