**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 02:59:58 2011
Apr 14 03:04:17 <iluminator101> did they ever release Harmattan
Apr 14 03:05:23 <cehteh> thats what will become the meego os from nokia iirc
Apr 14 03:15:18 <iluminator101> thanks bbl
Apr 14 03:55:48 <zetaPRIME> ...okay, I have no idea if I really want to ask this here, but...
Apr 14 03:56:14 <zetaPRIME> does maemo use X? (cue thrown tomatos etc.)
Apr 14 03:58:21 <keithzg> Yup yup.
Apr 14 03:58:36 <keithzg> Standard stack all the way, pretty much (at least when compared to heretics like Android).
Apr 14 03:59:39 <zetaPRIME> so it would be relatively easy to make a compatibility layer (or not even need one) to run Maemo things on another form of ARM linux?
Apr 14 04:00:24 <keithzg> Yeah all you'd need would be to port over the right libraries. And most of those were ported *to* Maemo in the first place ;)
Apr 14 04:00:25 <zetaPRIME> ...assuming Maemo pre-MeeGo is ARM, again I wouldn't know, I'm completely new to this
Apr 14 04:00:35 <keithzg> Yeah it's all ARM.
Apr 14 04:01:05 <keithzg> But that's not even much of a sticking point, most of the user apps aren't really hooking into anything deep enough for the arch to matter so much AFAIK.
Apr 14 04:02:09 <zetaPRIME> ...would it be possible (without having to hack drivers etc.) to run Maemo on most Android phones?
Apr 14 04:02:29 <keithzg> Hells no. That's why Android's so troublesome.
Apr 14 04:02:50 <zetaPRIME> what exactly is the problem?
Apr 14 04:03:03 <zetaPRIME> display drivers? baseband interaction?
Apr 14 04:03:10 <keithzg> Yes, yes, and more.
Apr 14 04:03:39 <keithzg> Making matters worse, until recently most Android-specific drivers wouldn't work with the mainline kernel, since the Google devs refused to play ball.
Apr 14 04:04:17 <keithzg> Recently the mainline kernel added a compatible lock system so in theory things are more compatible.
Apr 14 04:04:34 <zetaPRIME> what about just phones officially supported by CyanogenMOD? Could there be some sort of kernel compatibility layer to make X work on an Android kernel?
Apr 14 04:05:23 <keithzg> I've heard it's possible to run X11 on Android, but I've yet to see any practical application thereof. I could be entirely wrong though.
Apr 14 04:05:38 <zetaPRIME> I've tried the whole chroot debian+vnc thing on my Droid, but WAAAAAAAAAY TOO SLOW
Apr 14 04:05:47 <keithzg> heh yeah no kidding
Apr 14 04:06:50 <keithzg> People have gotten Ubuntu and such to run on the Galaxy Tab, though, and I know the Tab is nearly identical internals to the rest of the Galaxy S line, but as far as I know the drivers for GSM etc are all proprietary blobs
Apr 14 04:07:28 <keithzg> Hell, to run MeeGo on the N900 it took Nokia devs working under NDAs to add compatible drivers . . .
Apr 14 04:09:22 <zetaPRIME> ...is there any quick package to emulate Maemo on a Windows machine?
Apr 14 04:09:54 <keithzg> There's a virtualbox image with the Maemo scratchbox SDK pre-installed.
Apr 14 04:10:33 <keithzg> It's an image of Ubuntu, that is to say, with the SDK for Maemo that can then run the environment or individual apps using the SDK.
Apr 14 04:11:06 <zetaPRIME> but no ARM emulator to simulate an actual device?
Apr 14 04:11:32 <keithzg> Not as far as I know, no.
Apr 14 04:11:42 <keithzg> But they're only $350 on Amazon.com ;)
Apr 14 04:12:04 <zetaPRIME> if I'm going to spend anything it's going to be on a Pandora
Apr 14 04:12:05 <zetaPRIME> so
Apr 14 04:12:46 <psycho_oreos> there's that old madde environment, laggy as hell but it can show you some of fremantle's capabilities
Apr 14 04:14:02 <keithzg> Scratchbox does simulate the environment fully.  I mean, it isn't actually ARM then technically, but it is quick and it works.
Apr 14 05:03:54 <Termana> good morning
Apr 14 05:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> moo Termana
Apr 14 05:20:56 <chx> how did you guys found that moo song ?
Apr 14 05:41:51 <slonopotamus> hmm... for some reason my n900 doesn't work (doesn't connect and doesn't send/receive data if was already connected) in "3G" mode (though works in 2G, 2.5, 3.5)
Apr 14 06:33:38 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Apr 14 06:33:53 <Sazpaimon_> eh
Apr 14 06:34:08 <Sazpaimon_> anyone see the C6 commercial for tmobile?
Apr 14 06:34:39 <Sazpaimon_> C7, whatever
Apr 14 06:35:03 <Sazpaimon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO5UVIwQj_o
Apr 14 07:12:48 <mece> where is the planet maemo feed?
Apr 14 07:14:56 <mece> nvrmind. found it. http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/rss.xml
Apr 14 07:18:42 <Venemo> good morning
Apr 14 07:21:27 <mece> Venemo, o/
Apr 14 07:25:05 <Venemo> o/
Apr 14 08:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W22JccSTDtk&feature=BFa&list=SPE3D764A5AFBFB9D6&index=1 nice adds
Apr 14 08:35:29 <Venemo> morning DocScrutinizer :)
Apr 14 08:46:03 <MohammadAG> morning
Apr 14 09:03:18 <crashanddie> GAN900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_CDLBTJD4M
Apr 14 09:07:43 <Khertan> Hello
Apr 14 09:09:42 <mece> I really really want a bridge building game for N900. Right fracking now.
Apr 14 09:10:51 <mece> Played X Construction on my friends android and I wanted to tear my hair out because of the stupid capacitive screen. Turns out there are very few open source bridge building games out there.
Apr 14 09:11:10 <MohammadAG> Been wondering about Nokia's argument on why they won't open up closed components
Apr 14 09:11:32 <MohammadAG> I rewrote the mediaplayer, can't other companies do the same?
Apr 14 09:14:17 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, it's live?
Apr 14 09:14:42 <MohammadAG> no, planning to make an alpha release today
Apr 14 09:15:21 <MohammadAG> but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit
Apr 14 09:15:57 <MohammadAG> and nicolai did the same with camera-ui
Apr 14 09:16:07 <MohammadAG> and he made it better
Apr 14 09:19:24 <Khertan> MohammadAG: really better :)
Apr 14 09:19:50 <MohammadAG> yeah, doesn't that null nokia's argument?
Apr 14 09:20:06 <Khertan> > MohammadAG: but I mean, Nokia's argument was that if they opened up components other companies can benefit < this smell that some manager didn't like open source
Apr 14 09:21:22 <ruskie> or some lawyer
Apr 14 09:21:51 <MohammadAG> so it's complete BS
Apr 14 09:21:51 <mece> whoa! Taken with N900 apparently... http://www.flickr.com/photos/sprockers/5310233788
Apr 14 09:21:57 <MohammadAG> the backends are open
Apr 14 09:22:00 <mece> MohammadAG, without a doubt.
Apr 14 09:22:32 <MohammadAG> I like how you can change the metadata with the open source cam
Apr 14 09:22:40 <MohammadAG> (in the source that is)
Apr 14 09:25:25 <alterego> hat pic is gorgeous :)
Apr 14 09:25:28 <alterego> that ..
Apr 14 09:27:06 <mece> alterego, sure is.
Apr 14 09:27:45 <Venemo> good morning MohammadAG :)
Apr 14 09:27:52 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: no, the argument mostly been "we don't have (C) on several of those blobs. And we don't want anybody (users) to mess with the look and feel anyway"
Apr 14 09:28:53 <MohammadAG> morning Venemo
Apr 14 09:29:31 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer but they have already mess the look and feel
Apr 14 09:32:12 <chadi> What is the password for 'user'?
Apr 14 09:32:28 <DocScrutinizer> none
Apr 14 09:32:47 <DocScrutinizer> root; passwd user
Apr 14 09:35:46 <DocScrutinizer> NB not <empty>  but none (no password will work)
Apr 14 09:36:55 <chadi> thank you :-)
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan> --- a/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan> +++ b/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan> @@ -1551,7 +1551,7 @@ void QTextControlPrivate::mousePressEvent(QEvent *e, Qt::MouseButton button, con
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan>                  extendBlockwiseSelection(cursorPos);
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan>              else if (selectedWordOnDoubleClick.hasSelection())
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan>                  extendWordwiseSelection(cursorPos, pos.x());
Apr 14 09:48:12 <Khertan> -            else if (wordSelectionEnabled)
Apr 14 09:48:13 <Khertan> +            else if (!wordSelectionEnabled)
Apr 14 09:48:13 <Khertan>                  setCursorPosition(cursorPos, QTextCursor::KeepAnchor);
Apr 14 09:48:14 <Khertan>          } else {
Apr 14 09:48:15 <Khertan> oups ... sorry
Apr 14 09:49:34 <chadi> is something wrong with giving a 0 duration in transitions.ini? phone shut down after killall hildon-desktop
Apr 14 09:52:03 <Khertan> MohammadAG: i've one error related to the selection but i think it s not the only one
Apr 14 09:52:22 <Khertan> as i didn't have sb installed i can't compile to test
Apr 14 09:52:44 <MohammadAG> that's the only diff?
Apr 14 09:52:53 <Khertan> ah yes :)
Apr 14 09:53:00 <Khertan> only i found
Apr 14 09:53:13 <Khertan> but it s probably not enough
Apr 14 09:54:39 <Khertan> qml is again culprit :)
Apr 14 09:54:56 <MohammadAG> building
Apr 14 09:55:50 <MohammadAG> linking
Apr 14 09:56:28 <chadi> btw, anybody experienced alarm issues with the latest CSSU?
Apr 14 09:56:44 <MohammadAG> we didn't change anything related to alarms
Apr 14 09:56:49 <MohammadAG> in fact, we can't, it's closed source
Apr 14 09:57:17 <chadi> I noticed that in the wiki, but I wonder why that happened :/
Apr 14 09:58:16 <chadi> and I can't reproduce the problem anyway :-P
Apr 14 09:59:37 <MohammadAG> Khertan, testing
Apr 14 09:59:42 <Khertan> ... tada ?
Apr 14 09:59:53 <MohammadAG> idk, still unpacking the deb
Apr 14 10:01:44 <MohammadAG> nope
Apr 14 10:04:10 <MohammadAG> Khertan, it's a painting issue, selection works fine
Apr 14 10:04:49 <Khertan> MohammadAG: in fact nope ... shift selection isn't working fine :)
Apr 14 10:05:17 <Khertan> and yes now i'm sure it s a painting issue
Apr 14 10:05:18 <Khertan> thx
Apr 14 10:06:21 <MohammadAG> shift works fine for me
Apr 14 10:06:34 <MohammadAG> you can still CTRL+C and CTRL+V
Apr 14 10:08:49 <Khertan> (12:05:33) MohammadAG: shift works fine for me not everytime
Apr 14 10:11:13 <Khertan> MohammadAG: did you know any efficient gui for reading git commit tree on windows ?
Apr 14 10:11:22 <FauxFaux> gitk --all
Apr 14 10:11:38 <Khertan> (ms windows)
Apr 14 10:11:52 <MohammadAG> Nope, I don't use windows
Apr 14 10:11:54 <FauxFaux> gitk --all
Apr 14 10:22:02 <Khertan> MohammadAG: my patch was already in 4.7.4 :)
Apr 14 10:22:25 <MohammadAG> Khertan, which one?
Apr 14 10:23:18 <Khertan> (11:47:23) Khertan: -            else if (wordSelectionEnabled)
Apr 14 10:23:19 <Khertan> (11:47:23) Khertan: +            else if (!wordSelectionEnabled)
Apr 14 10:24:14 <MohammadAG> but that's not related
Apr 14 10:26:17 <Khertan> true
Apr 14 10:26:56 <Venemo> seems that I'm using DocScrutinizer's favourite word a lot these times
Apr 14 10:27:39 <Venemo> LibreOffice is totally and completely FUBAR
Apr 14 10:27:53 <ruskie> is it?
Apr 14 10:27:56 <ruskie> works for me
Apr 14 10:28:04 <ruskie> but then I rarely use it
Apr 14 10:28:07 <Khertan> Venemo: ?
Apr 14 10:28:37 <Venemo> it took me half an hour to get LibreOffice Writer to let me move a picture in a document to a place where I wanted it.
Apr 14 10:28:59 <Venemo> no matter where I dragged it, it just jumped back to its original position.
Apr 14 10:29:23 <Venemo> and if I was able to drag it to the right place and it stayed, it forgot the change after I saved and reloaded the document.
Apr 14 10:29:24 <Khertan> didn't have such problem with it ... but got same with msword
Apr 14 10:29:43 <Venemo> now I'm trying to export the styles from one document to another
Apr 14 10:29:45 <Khertan> so it s maybe a word feature implemented in latest version of LibreOffice Writer
Apr 14 10:29:52 <trx> lol
Apr 14 10:29:53 <Venemo> and again, it doesn't let me do that
Apr 14 10:29:59 <Venemo> lol Khertan :D
Apr 14 10:31:52 <Khertan> MohammadAG: did you think it can be that : https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/fd8183129d0efe99e0d28f524264c59fb9155b80
Apr 14 10:31:54 <Khertan> ?
Apr 14 10:31:57 <ruskie> pictures should not exist in documents
Apr 14 10:32:06 <Khertan> true
Apr 14 10:32:21 * ruskie is tired I have problem with app here's a picture -> .doc|.docx erm... WTF???
Apr 14 10:32:39 <Khertan> MohammadAG: in fact no
Apr 14 10:32:40 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 10:32:57 <Venemo> ruskie, wasn't my decision to make this, but this is the requirement.
Apr 14 10:33:21 <MohammadAG> no
Apr 14 10:34:08 <Khertan> probably something under  QTextDocument::drawContents
Apr 14 10:34:09 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 10:35:38 <MohammadAG> and of course, #qt isn't of much help
Apr 14 10:35:47 <Khertan> of course :)
Apr 14 10:36:06 <MohammadAG> already asked
Apr 14 10:36:44 <Khertan> i imagine
Apr 14 10:37:52 <MohammadAG> twice, once yesterday and once today
Apr 14 10:38:40 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 10:39:17 <MohammadAG> you could try asking, see if anyone replies
Apr 14 10:39:46 <MohammadAG> I feel like stabbing Qt Mobility's devs
Apr 14 10:40:03 <trx> haha
Apr 14 10:40:52 <Khertan> i feel that qml is trojan horse for breaking qt
Apr 14 10:40:54 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 10:42:59 <MohammadAG> Qt is an excellent concept
Apr 14 10:43:12 <MohammadAG> Qt Mobility bases on that, executes that concept in quite a shitty way
Apr 14 10:43:46 <MohammadAG> QML isn't bad
Apr 14 10:43:51 <Khertan> it is
Apr 14 10:44:19 <MohammadAG> but then again, web devs should stick to web development
Apr 14 10:44:33 <Khertan> exactly
Apr 14 10:53:42 <Khertan> Update copyright year to 2011. ....
Apr 14 10:53:43 <Khertan> pfff
Apr 14 10:55:02 <MohammadAG> yeah, that made the commit log worse
Apr 14 10:55:26 <MohammadAG> so did changing the license from commercial to non-commercial and back to commercial
Apr 14 10:55:29 <MohammadAG> or the other way round
Apr 14 10:59:17 <Khertan> MohammadAG: did you have any idea at which date i can ignore commit ?
Apr 14 10:59:28 <Khertan> before 2011 it was 4.7.0 right ?
Apr 14 10:59:41 <MohammadAG> september
Apr 14 10:59:52 <MohammadAG> is the one included in PR1.3
Apr 14 11:00:00 <Khertan> ah ... thanks
Apr 14 11:04:48 <Khertan> https://gitorious.org/~khertan/community-ssu/khertans-qt-x11-maemo/commit/34c297faca93e1286573b2a01127e4e7af00aff2 <<< except that which is not related
Apr 14 11:05:13 <Khertan> i'm starting to doubt if this is not only a maemo customization which brings the problem
Apr 14 11:05:27 <Khertan> like the completion or something else
Apr 14 11:10:54 <MohammadAG> hmm, does text completion work?
Apr 14 11:12:29 <MohammadAG> completion highlights text fine
Apr 14 11:17:39 <Khertan> indeed
Apr 14 11:17:40 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 11:17:58 <Khertan> and as there that works
Apr 14 11:18:06 <Khertan> and as only that works ...
Apr 14 11:21:09 <Khertan> The Qt Merge commit look like a plan of Paris's Metro line
Apr 14 11:21:28 <Dibblah> Well, that answers that question. Every part of this N900 fake "display model" case is custom engineered.
Apr 14 11:25:03 <SpeedEvil> Wow.
Apr 14 11:26:32 <Venemo> http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-posters-you-can-do-anything-you-put-your-mind-to.jpg
Apr 14 11:29:18 <Dibblah> And yes, that *includes* the keyboard, the surrounding metal for the screen, etc.
Apr 14 11:30:03 <Dibblah> Even the black metal screen panel is faked.
Apr 14 11:31:01 <Dibblah> Woo hoo - The stylus is compatible.
Apr 14 11:34:57 <mece> Khertan, hey I seem to be suffering from some khteditor problems. The "current line" is always invisible. Is there a way to configure (disable) the highlight line feature?
Apr 14 11:46:52 <pupnik> wonder what kernel is oprofileable
Apr 14 11:51:53 <Khertan> mece: say thx to Qt 4.7.2 and his bug : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720
Apr 14 11:52:31 <Khertan> mece: this is what i m trying to fix in qt
Apr 14 12:18:10 <Khertan> MohammadAG: "Any input on where painting is done would be helpful, as there doesn't seem to be much activity on Maemo 5 bug reports." <<< oh really ... noone didn't care
Apr 14 12:18:54 <MohammadAG> Khertan, they don't give two shits, a bug report that was fixed is still unconfirmed
Apr 14 12:19:09 <Khertan> :)
Apr 14 12:19:11 <MohammadAG> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323
Apr 14 12:19:37 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, any ideas?
Apr 14 12:19:38 <Khertan> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/supported-platforms.html <<< maemo is in tier 2 plateforms ...
Apr 14 12:19:43 * MohammadAG would troll #qt :P
Apr 14 12:20:41 <MohammadAG> wow
Apr 14 12:20:47 <MohammadAG> Symbian^1 is tier 1
Apr 14 12:21:33 <Khertan> lol
Apr 14 12:22:50 <Khertan> from what i see in the commit ... there is a huge works for this shitty qml ... but except some tweaking on real qt just for qml ... there is just a few modifications on qwidgets
Apr 14 12:23:15 <MohammadAG> don't forget copyrights
Apr 14 12:24:26 <Khertan> also
Apr 14 12:25:33 <Khertan> MohammadAG: did you see also that moving the cursor with arrow and moving it with click didn't have the same result ?
Apr 14 12:26:14 <Khertan> moving it with arrow made the entire line invisible while moving it with click made some part of the glyph arround the cursor visible
Apr 14 12:32:51 <crashanddie> http://people.su.se/~jj/junk/dragon-vomit.png
Apr 14 12:33:30 <neal> is there a way to figure out if a device has tethered? I can listen for com.nokia.csd.GPRS.Attached, which tells me that something is using the modem.  ICD provides a positive indicator of when a GPRS connection is created locally.  What I'm missing is a positive indicator that there is a tethered connection.
Apr 14 12:41:43 <Oli```> Anybody know how much free root space the latest community SSU update (20.2010.36-2maemo14.1 - 22.5MB) needs? I've got 75MB free now and still can't install it
Apr 14 12:42:44 <Oli```> It's saying I need to use PC Suite. That usually means there's a conflict or there isn't enough space. Should be plenty of space now. Any idea how to find out if there's a packaging conflict?
Apr 14 12:43:52 <Oli```> Hmm apt-get upgrade appears to work. Wonder if that'll destroy the phone.
Apr 14 12:47:54 <SpeedEvil> My phone exploded with a 1.8 megaton explosion when I did that.
Apr 14 12:48:00 <SpeedEvil> Fortunately, still under warranty.
Apr 14 12:51:17 <auenf> not 1.21 jiggawatts?
Apr 14 12:53:30 <SpeedEvil> !math 9+5
Apr 14 12:53:33 <SpeedEvil> oops
Apr 14 13:06:25 <Khertan> Oli```: most of time it s due to a conflicting package, take a look at details in HAM for the reason.
Apr 14 13:19:14 <Khertan> MohammadAG: you were True. No one care about Maemo Qt bugs on #Qt
Apr 14 13:19:37 <RST38h> s/Maemo Qt/Qt/\
Apr 14 13:19:57 <Khertan> MohammadAG: did you have try to build more recent version of qt ?
Apr 14 13:20:01 <Khertan> RST38h: also
Apr 14 13:40:48 <dangergrrl> will a Z-80 restart at 0x38?
Apr 14 15:46:31 <Wizzup> I just bought an 32GB MicroSD card, any recommendations as to FS? (I'll be using it on my n900)
Apr 14 16:05:46 <BCMM> Wizzup: what do you want to use it for?
Apr 14 16:06:26 <BCMM> the microsd card will be available as USB mass storage when in mass storage mode, so if you want to access it from a windows PC, take that in to account
Apr 14 16:08:32 <Wizzup> BCMM: I usually stay away from windows. I wanted to use it both for storage and developing. I don't like working on vfat generally
Apr 14 16:08:44 <BCMM> good move
Apr 14 16:08:48 <Wizzup> My preferred choice is ext4 surely. I just don't want my card to die within a week
Apr 14 16:08:55 <BCMM> why would it do that?
Apr 14 16:09:08 <Wizzup> Don't know. I had the mmc card (internal) casrd fail once
Apr 14 16:09:17 <Wizzup> I don't know if I can blame that on the ext3 part though
Apr 14 16:09:23 <BCMM> fat32 doesn't do wear-levelling either
Apr 14 16:09:32 <BCMM> iirc, the SD card takes care of that itself
Apr 14 16:09:36 <Wizzup> ok, then I'll do ext4.
Apr 14 16:09:38 <Wizzup> ok
Apr 14 16:09:44 <BCMM> uh
Apr 14 16:09:47 <BCMM> maybe they don't have to
Apr 14 16:09:52 <BCMM> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MicroSD
Apr 14 16:10:02 <BCMM> so maybe not all manufacturers do that
Apr 14 16:11:05 <BCMM> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FileSystem_microSD_cards#Why_not_jffs2_or_ubifs google keeps giving me openmoko stuff for this
Apr 14 16:11:19 <BCMM> see if you can find out if your card does wear-levelling, i guess
Apr 14 16:11:24 <slonopotamus> noooo, again wear-levelling
Apr 14 16:11:32 <BCMM> ubifs if it doesn't, ext4 if it does
Apr 14 16:11:45 <BCMM> actuall, do we have ext4 in the kernel? it's a pretty old kernel
Apr 14 16:12:19 <[XeN]> i want to install the cssu update "20.2010.36-2maemo14.1" but my phone tells me i shuold use the pc suite to get this upgrade. i think thats not the way it should be. any ideas to install the update anyway?
Apr 14 16:13:04 <BCMM> [XeN]: have you got a full-ish rootfs?
Apr 14 16:13:08 <SpeedEvil> ~farting
Apr 14 16:13:09 <infobot> I do on occasion, but only if you ask me to.
Apr 14 16:13:21 <slonopotamus> xen: apt-get upgrade && echo "ftw!"
Apr 14 16:13:53 <BCMM> this channel just stopped making sense very quickly
Apr 14 16:13:58 <Wizzup> BCMM: thanks for the help
Apr 14 16:13:59 <BCMM> i hope it wasn't my fault
Apr 14 16:14:01 <[XeN]> 8mb available
Apr 14 16:14:03 <Wizzup> Yes, we have ext4
Apr 14 16:14:07 <Wizzup> I already did mkfs and mount
Apr 14 16:14:17 <BCMM> ext4 or ext4dev?
Apr 14 16:14:20 <Wizzup> both.
Apr 14 16:14:23 <Wizzup> mkfs.<tab>
Apr 14 16:14:47 <[XeN]> i'll try it with apt.
Apr 14 16:15:16 <BCMM> you know how to reflash for when this all breaks, right?
Apr 14 16:15:24 <slonopotamus> xen: just make a usual backup before doing that :)
Apr 14 16:15:51 <[XeN]> sure
Apr 14 16:18:28 <Wizzup> BCMM: Yes, if you were talking to me.
Apr 14 16:18:56 <BCMM> Wizzup: huh? XeN's the one who's trying to half-install an update :)
Apr 14 16:19:02 * slonopotamus updated with 6mb free
Apr 14 16:19:27 <Wizzup> BCMM: Ah ok, didn't follow.
Apr 14 16:20:18 <slonopotamus> /var/lib/dpkg is 28mb. a good candidate for deletion :)
Apr 14 16:23:50 <BCMM> apt-get clean
Apr 14 16:26:23 <BCMM> (it's like rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* without the typo risk)
Apr 14 16:27:35 <BCMM> oh, apparently that's on opt
Apr 14 16:28:10 <BCMM>  /var/cache/apt -> /opt/var/cache/apt -- when did that happen? is that normal, or did i do it myself?
Apr 14 16:28:29 <DocScrutinizer> >>Remember that once something is posted online, you can quickly _loose_ control of it<< http://safely.yahoo.com/faq ohmy!
Apr 14 16:28:47 <Wizzup> BCMM: I suppose it's not possible to ``export'' the ext4 fs in the mass storage mode though?
Apr 14 16:28:55 <Wizzup> (I could mount that on my gentoo laptop)
Apr 14 16:28:56 <BCMM> i don't know
Apr 14 16:29:26 <BCMM> the forum seems to imply that maemo, by default, won't export unless it's fat32
Apr 14 16:29:35 <BCMM> but i don't know anything about that really
Apr 14 16:30:05 <BCMM> imho, the world needs a standardised removable-media filesystem
Apr 14 16:30:36 <BCMM> (a read-write conterpart to ISO-9660)
Apr 14 16:30:41 <SpeedEvil> udf
Apr 14 16:30:46 <slonopotamus> udf
Apr 14 16:30:55 <slonopotamus> SpeedEvil: meh, you were faster
Apr 14 16:31:00 <BCMM> not exactly suitable for all media, is it?
Apr 14 16:31:24 <SpeedEvil> What I'd really like would be for SD cards to support a strandard 'raw' interface to the flash.
Apr 14 16:31:50 <BCMM> yeah, using fat32 then wear-levelling it in hardware is annoying
Apr 14 16:31:55 <slonopotamus> is there any valid reason why mp-fremantle-community-pr depends on qt?
Apr 14 16:32:14 <BCMM> there are an awful lot of stupidities involving working around limitations in windows, in hardware, about now
Apr 14 16:32:45 <BCMM> but yeah, something standard like UDF, but for flash disks and USB hard drives and so on
Apr 14 16:33:15 <BCMM> featuring a huge (or preferably configurable) file size limit, and no permissions
Apr 14 16:35:32 <BCMM> actually, is there a good reason not to use UDF on non-optical media?
Apr 14 16:36:16 <slonopotamus> is it safe to purge swi-prolog from maemo5?
Apr 14 16:36:36 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: wierd block optimisations.
Apr 14 16:50:05 <slonopotamus> wtf is "cherry" app?
Apr 14 16:52:00 <edheldil> Hi all, is there a theme gallery for n900? Randomly trying theme packages is extremely annoying, especially since most of the themes seem to be a variation on black buttons on black background
Apr 14 16:52:03 <BCMM> slonopotamus: evil.
Apr 14 16:52:28 <BCMM> slonopotamus: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription
Apr 14 17:56:11 <ApexBeat> help help!!!
Apr 14 17:56:17 <ApexBeat> anyone?
Apr 14 17:56:48 <ApexBeat> knock knock
Apr 14 17:56:53 <ApexBeat> help!
Apr 14 17:57:04 <SpeedEvil> >
Apr 14 17:57:10 <SpeedEvil> ?
Apr 14 17:57:20 <ApexBeat> hey SpeedEvil
Apr 14 17:57:34 <ApexBeat> dude i was trying to install gingerbread on my n900
Apr 14 17:57:43 <ApexBeat> everything went really wrong...
Apr 14 17:57:48 <SpeedEvil> Oops.
Apr 14 17:58:30 <SpeedEvil> How wrong?
Apr 14 17:59:03 <ApexBeat> i used that delete command on mydocs
Apr 14 17:59:26 <SpeedEvil> No ideawhat youmean
Apr 14 18:00:49 <ApexBeat> wait
Apr 14 18:01:30 <ApexBeat> i used the rm -rf * command without mounting the memory card which had nitdroid 0.0.9 installed...
Apr 14 18:01:35 <ApexBeat> so i wiped my MyDocs
Apr 14 18:01:59 <ApexBeat> what i want to ask is whether i do a simple reflash...or do i have to reflash my emmc as well?
Apr 14 18:02:26 <SpeedEvil> I think a simple reflash may work.
Apr 14 18:03:05 <ApexBeat> cuz all the icons were gone...none of the applications were working....
Apr 14 18:04:34 <ApexBeat> but i was on the /and folder...why the hell did my MyDocs get deleted:(
Apr 14 18:04:45 <ApexBeat> stupid guides...:(
Apr 14 18:05:28 <ApexBeat> okay dude am gonna reflash..am gonna let u know...dont budge:)
Apr 14 18:06:32 <trx> dude :)
Apr 14 18:06:55 <ApexBeat> yeah?
Apr 14 18:07:07 <ApexBeat> no harm in a second opinion...
Apr 14 18:07:26 <ApexBeat> do i do a simple reflash or do i reflash my emmc as well....
Apr 14 18:07:27 <ApexBeat> ?
Apr 14 18:07:34 <trx> no, i just found you calling him dude funny ;)
Apr 14 18:08:10 <trx> try a simple reflash..
Apr 14 18:08:17 <ApexBeat> k...
Apr 14 18:08:18 <ApexBeat> :)
Apr 14 18:08:20 <ApexBeat> thanks
Apr 14 18:08:27 <ApexBeat> brb in 10
Apr 14 18:08:29 <ApexBeat> :)
Apr 14 18:16:18 <ApexBeat> the driver isnt installing in windows 7?
Apr 14 18:16:32 <ApexBeat> nokia usb rom driver?
Apr 14 18:17:26 <ApexBeat> err...?
Apr 14 18:19:27 <ApexBeat> hello?
Apr 14 18:44:14 <pupnik> hi ApexBeat
Apr 14 19:40:54 <apt> Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)
Apr 14 19:44:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Apr 14 19:44:06 <apt> ~pong
Apr 14 19:49:00 * RST38h yawns widely
Apr 14 19:49:34 <RST38h> Anything new and exciting tonight? Famine? Diseases? Earthquakes? PR1.4?
Apr 14 19:49:42 <MohammadAG> let the rants begin http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=988477#post988477 !
Apr 14 19:50:04 <RST38h> aha, thanks
Apr 14 19:52:11 <MohammadAG> I'm actually expecting a lot of bugs
Apr 14 19:52:23 <MohammadAG> probably small one lines fixes, but meh
Apr 14 20:53:44 <e-yes> btw, how to get hw keyboard layout type? (EN, RU, FI... etc)
Apr 14 20:54:04 <e-yes> i meant "locale" for hw kbd
Apr 14 20:56:39 * RST38h sighs
Apr 14 20:56:42 <RST38h> you cannot
Apr 14 20:57:01 <RST38h> Set it to RU, then modify the layout files.
Apr 14 20:57:37 <RST38h> All the time thanking whatever Maemo Devices "UX designer" who came up with this bright idea
Apr 14 20:58:57 <e-yes> hm, maemo gets this information from some "system" partition on flash somehow?
Apr 14 20:59:51 <ShadowJK> one of you talk about "get" and the other says "set"
Apr 14 20:59:53 <ShadowJK> huh
Apr 14 21:00:15 <e-yes> i mean where it's stored. btw, where I can find layout files?
Apr 14 21:00:22 <e-yes> ShadowJK, exactly:)
Apr 14 21:00:39 * ShadowJK has "Suomi, Svenska" selected in setup-text_input-hwkeyb layout
Apr 14 21:18:35 <MohammadAG> e-yes, you can use ukeyboard
Apr 14 21:22:05 <pupnik> http://people.su.se/~jj/junk/dragon-vomit.png  goat-time with wind, pole, dragon inter help (sfw)
Apr 14 21:33:44 <dangergrrl> make mty n900 happy
Apr 14 21:34:10 <dangergrrl> it wants someone to see my ugly face
Apr 14 21:57:10 <pupnik> hi
Apr 14 21:57:26 <nox-> moin pupnik, #
Apr 14 22:10:14 <kwtm> e-yes: Are you looking for the files where you can change the keyboard mapping?  I can tell you where I found mine, and you can see if you can assume it's the same for your layout.
Apr 14 22:10:20 <kwtm> Is that what you're looking for?
Apr 14 22:40:52 <e-yes> kwtm, actually no. I only need "locale" of hw keyboard
Apr 14 22:42:19 <e-yes> looks like it's here: /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/inputmethod/%gconf.xml
Apr 14 22:42:40 <e-yes> entry "slide-layout"
Apr 15 00:13:59 <kookiemonster> hello?
Apr 15 01:39:16 <josh_> Hi.  A while ago, geolocation stopped working in the browser (google maps for mobile, for instance), and I haven't managed to figure out why.
Apr 15 01:39:35 <josh_> How might I track down and fix that?
Apr 15 01:41:09 <josh_> GPS works fine outside the browser.
Apr 15 01:41:23 <josh_> but as fa
Apr 15 01:41:49 <josh_> as far as I can tell the browser doesn't do geolocation.
Apr 15 01:46:25 <josh_> any suggestions for where to start looking?
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