**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 18 02:59:57 2011 Apr 18 03:33:00 sometimes i... feel like i... landed on the... wrong planet Apr 18 03:44:23 pupnik: get back in your spaceship then :) Apr 18 03:45:04 soon enough Apr 18 03:51:16 hmmm... is there a simple way to open a file with it's default app, via mime from bash or python or something? Apr 18 03:51:24 https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/wwwold/documentation/python_osso_examples/code/mime/osso_test_mime_open.py <-- doesn't work anymore Apr 18 04:35:20 is there a way to restart X on the n900 without rebooting? Apr 18 04:44:16 pigeon: why? Apr 18 04:44:51 pigeon: Kill X would do it I would think Apr 18 04:45:57 * pigeon tries Apr 18 04:46:42 nope, that reboots it. Apr 18 04:46:49 I doubt it Apr 18 04:46:53 type "uptime" in a terminal Apr 18 04:47:16 i'm not in r&d mode btw Apr 18 04:48:48 that is definitely a reboot Apr 18 04:48:57 What does "uptime" return in a terminal Apr 18 04:49:08 up 0:02 Apr 18 04:49:33 and the fact that i can see the nokia boot up logo again... Apr 18 04:50:02 woah Apr 18 04:50:33 i have a feeling with r&d mode it doesn't... Apr 18 04:51:14 Dunno ... I just tested it myself and you're right, it does reboot. I guess they have init rebooting on X close. Apr 18 04:51:38 I guess then, you can only restart hildon-desktop etc without causing a reboot but not X :/ Apr 18 04:51:46 Or change the init scripts Apr 18 05:17:55 is there any way to make the alarm app snooze when it times out during an alarm Apr 18 05:18:03 instead of like, shutting off the entire alarm app completely Apr 18 05:25:05 Sazpaimon: heh, you'd think that'd be the default way of working wouldn't you :/ Apr 18 06:00:01 krayon, yeah really Apr 18 06:00:24 especially when its been on every other nokia phone, not just symbian phones Apr 18 06:00:58 maemo is probably the only platform from nokia that diverges from this Apr 18 06:06:19 i just have couple alarms set up every couple minutes Apr 18 06:09:30 krayon: before acting like you know what you're talking about, know what you're talking about Apr 18 06:09:56 krayon: it's not init rebooting Apr 18 06:10:03 krayon: it's dsme watchdog Apr 18 06:10:53 jacekowski: Yes of course, not exactly like Linux on a server/desktop. Apr 18 06:10:56 krayon: dsme is detecting that critical service is not working and tries to recover Apr 18 06:11:08 krayon: and for X policy is to reboot whole phone Apr 18 06:11:27 there are other apps that are just restarted and if that fails phone is rebooted Apr 18 06:12:23 pupnik: My assumption was it was the same as desktop/server ... a mistake I realise but it's just SOOO awesome I forget it's not just a mini desktop :P Apr 18 06:12:35 i like how on TMO there's three threads in a row about maemo on the E7 Apr 18 06:12:41 hehe Apr 18 06:12:53 nevermind the impossibility of that, but the E7 hardwarewise is a significant downgrade of an N900 Apr 18 06:13:06 isnt the E7 hardware comperable to the N810 Apr 18 06:14:14 jacekowski: I see. Is there a way to modify that? So that X dying would only cause a restart, not full reboot? Apr 18 06:14:37 there is Apr 18 07:08:27 good morning :) Apr 18 07:15:45 huhu Venemo_N900 Apr 18 07:15:55 hey pupnik Apr 18 07:16:11 where is "using gdb to watch and set variables for dummies"? Apr 18 07:16:25 I've no idea Apr 18 07:16:47 what's new Venemo_N900 ? Apr 18 07:16:47 I just use Qt creator's debug functionality Apr 18 07:16:54 ahh Apr 18 07:18:13 pupnik: why would you want a cli tool when you can have a gui solution? Apr 18 07:48:48 Venemo_N900: Interesting. When I found discovered the N900 and the community of advanced users, I thought everyone would be using the CLI. But I see that the culture is more geared toward the GUI. I happen to prefer the CLI myself. Apr 18 07:49:57 kwtm: there are things that are more efficient on a cli yes Apr 18 07:50:07 kwtm: but there are stuff that are best done in a GUI Apr 18 07:50:33 True. I do find I like to automate things (e.g. in a script) and those are easier for me on the CLI, so that's my preference. Apr 18 07:50:40 yeah Apr 18 07:50:43 I think part of it is that I've had a bad experience with Nokia's GUI. Apr 18 07:51:01 and I for one prefer apt for updating/installing Apr 18 07:51:26 but for example, I'd never use wget for browsing web pages Apr 18 07:51:34 E.g. using that clumsy PHONE GUI! ugh! You pick a contact ("Yeah, *that's* who I want to dial") and it says "You want to dial? Send SMS? Call with Skype? Call with GOogle VOivce" .... uhhh... Apr 18 07:51:56 Venemo_N900: No, I don't use wget either. I use lynx. Ok, just kidding. I do use Micro-B for that. Apr 18 07:52:31 I actually set up vim to dial phone numbers for me. I've erased almost all of my contacts directory (I've got about a dozen contacts left from the original 2500+) and use vim to dial instead. Apr 18 07:52:34 kwtm :) Apr 18 07:53:09 lol Apr 18 07:53:18 now that's geekness :P Apr 18 07:53:49 Also, when you're on a call, you hear "Press 1 to continue". Ooops, where is the keypad? Oh, press the "keypad" button to bring up the keypad screen. Oh, now I press 1. Oh, it's ringing now and I want to turn off the speakerphone. Where's the speakerphone off button? Oh, I have to close the "keypad" screen. There it is again, the speakerphone button.! Apr 18 07:54:20 Venemo_N900: It was the only way to make the phone usable. Otherwise every time I tried to make a call, the phone would freeze for 1-2 seconds. I think it was trying to swap my contact address book in/out. Apr 18 07:55:13 I'm sure if the GUI were as responsive as that of a competitive Apple product, I'd use the GUI instead. But whoever designed the GUI has, shall we say, room for improvement. Apr 18 07:55:22 hmm Apr 18 07:55:29 hehehe Apr 18 07:55:32 yeah... Apr 18 07:55:33 the phone gui got faster when I disabled the effects with the CSSU repo/tool Apr 18 07:56:04 well, lock the orientation of the phone gui and it'll be a lot snappier Apr 18 07:56:43 Which effects? You mean like the sound effects? I wonder if it's part of it because pulse_audio keep showing up as taking up a frikk'n *18%* of the CPU even when it's doing nothing but making click sounds when I tap the screen. Why are screen taps taking up one sixth of my cpu??? uhhh... Apr 18 07:57:11 yeah, pulse on Maemo is a bit weird Apr 18 07:57:57 Venemo_N900: Yeah, I locked it. Phone is only in landscape mode now. I wasn't sure there was a portrait mode lock, but if there was, it's not practical to use. But then the landscape mode has this *weird* keypad layout that changes depending on whether you are just dialing the phone number or when you're in the middle of a call. Apr 18 08:00:35 yeah... lol Apr 18 08:00:52 btw, yes, there is a portrait-mode lock too Apr 18 08:28:37 anyone here familiar with xlib programming? Apr 18 08:34:06 Venemo_N900: In portrait mode, the status bar is broken (e.g. tapping the clock fails to bring up the whatever-menu-it's-called). Apr 18 08:34:33 kwtm: known bug; fixed in cssu Apr 18 08:35:27 That's good news. I did get burned the last time I reflashed (recently) so I want to set up everything correctly before I load CSSU. Apr 18 08:36:22 Oh yeah, I'm working on getting "display" to put up a screenshot of the GPS in action. Apr 18 08:37:37 You see, where I am it's illegal to send text messages while driving. Although I'm not actually sending text messages (bash programming with vim is hardly text messaging, is it?), if I get pulled over, the police are probably not going to believe me if I say I wasn't text messaging. So I need a boss screen to show that I was actually just checking the GPS to see where I was going. Apr 18 08:37:58 lol. Apr 18 08:38:25 I'll probably put on the screen shot some box warning: "Warning: Police are near" or something. Apr 18 08:38:27 well, policemen don't know what bash programming is. Apr 18 08:38:39 xd Apr 18 08:45:11 What is the name of the pdfviewer that I could launch from the command line ? Apr 18 08:54:04 wish i had me a pair of bongos... Apr 18 08:55:43 :D I made over $100 on donations from backupmenu... Over 6 months. Apr 18 08:57:51 how many maemo programs have you donated-to robbiethe1st ? :) Apr 18 08:58:08 None, sadly. I don't have a job, either... Apr 18 08:58:58 Seriously, when I manage to get a job and am actually making money in the multi-hundred-dollar+/month... I'll donate to a number of people who deserve it Apr 18 08:59:11 i donated to two Apr 18 08:59:29 Donate code. Apr 18 10:32:13 has anyone of you seen Damion2 recently? Apr 18 10:32:37 movie or game? Apr 18 10:33:03 pr cjatter Apr 18 10:33:05 h Apr 18 10:33:48 the qemu guy Apr 18 10:34:03 liar Apr 18 10:35:14 http://www.bitchx.com/log/maemo-f/maemo-f-05-Feb-2010/maemo-f-05-Feb-2010-08.php Apr 18 10:36:15 am not saying ur lying am just calling ur name. Apr 18 10:38:29 that wasn't a reaction to your message ;-) i just wanted to know if someone remembers him^^ lolloo, so why are you calling my name :-P? Apr 18 10:38:56 hehe Apr 18 10:39:33 sorry just having fun Apr 18 10:40:16 ~seen damion2 Apr 18 10:44:13 DocScrutinizer: that means? Apr 18 10:45:35 Cancer: "We're the rebel cells! We want mo', mo mo!" Apr 18 10:55:54 good morning Apr 18 11:03:39 or any idea how and if he finally got an x86 chroot running? i've already compiled qemu so it works with my phone. but i have issues with /bin/sh because it cant fork and chroot does not find the x86 /bin/sh altough i am pretty sure its in the right location Apr 18 11:05:52 interesting sentence fragments Apr 18 11:06:57 pupnik: thanks Apr 18 11:07:52 oh i missed part of your preceding text, sorry liar Apr 18 11:08:20 nvm Apr 18 11:09:02 that means there's something really messed up with infobot and freenode Apr 18 11:16:46 ~seen damion2 Apr 18 11:16:47 damion2 <~damiony@gilmore.trap.me.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 432d 12h 58m 5s ago, saying: 'chun1: I don't know of an app but I think it's technically possible to write that'. Apr 18 11:17:38 ~+chaninfo Apr 18 11:17:38 I'm on 13 channels: #maemo/390, #wowace/3, #openmoko-cdevel/3, #openmoko/3, #oe/2, #wowuidev/2, #sc2mapster/2, #linuxpakistan/1, #debian-bots/1, #openezx/1, #debian-france/1, #openjtag/1 Apr 18 11:17:38 i've cached 410 users, 405 unique users, distributed over 13 channels. Apr 18 11:17:54 ~+uptime Apr 18 11:17:54 - Uptime for infobot - Apr 18 11:17:55 Now: 1d 4h 42m 6s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Apr 18 11:17:55 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Apr 18 11:17:55 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Apr 18 11:17:55 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Apr 18 11:20:39 Does anybody used it? http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Apr 18 11:24:30 orospakr, try searching through tmo... plenty of posts about it Apr 18 11:24:39 it's nicer to type on thicker N900 Apr 18 11:37:11 MohammadAG: pls come again, can't scroll back that far... (no logs...) Apr 18 11:37:19 hey DocScrutinizer Apr 18 11:37:45 hey chem|st Apr 18 11:40:24 chem|st: how to nuke that friggin "bada rocks" tag on all tmo threads that don't mention bada at all? Apr 18 11:40:58 erm no nuke but from DB side... afair Apr 18 11:41:05 Why would you want to do that? Bada rocks! I put that there Apr 18 11:41:07 I will have a look Apr 18 11:41:16 /sarcasm Apr 18 11:41:19 ~punch Termana Apr 18 11:41:19 * apt lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Termana right on the nose Apr 18 11:41:27 :p Apr 18 11:41:32 ;) Apr 18 11:42:46 ~botsnack Apr 18 11:42:46 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Apr 18 11:44:36 chem|st: not that it matters that much - for me the tags could vanish in oblivion, uuterly useless feature Apr 18 11:44:57 true Apr 18 11:45:50 SleepAnalyser Apr 18 11:45:51 (442296 downloads) Apr 18 11:45:55 wtf? Apr 18 11:48:50 I question some of the download stats. Apr 18 11:48:55 They seemed rather broken. Apr 18 11:49:42 and how come the KFZcheck-extras is coming that way in extras, missleading things... Apr 18 11:53:49 I'm worried about infobot Apr 18 11:55:29 Hm, would it be wrong to put a "wget http://my-website.com/installCounter.php?ver=1.2" into my program's pre-install shell commands? Apr 18 11:55:45 For, you know, accurately counting installs? Apr 18 12:03:35 robbiethe1st: looks like a huge privacy issue to me Apr 18 12:06:36 Corsac: nevertheless that's what virtually every webpage does with those 1pix tag "images" Apr 18 12:07:01 Which gets your IP and any cookies for that site Apr 18 12:07:46 DocScrutinizer: a webpage you're visiting and an application you're installing aren't the same thing for me Apr 18 12:08:00 robbiethe1st: I'd open a decent webpage in browser Apr 18 12:08:25 Alright, that sounds like a good idea - And, it'd mean I could show the changelog! Apr 18 12:08:35 exactly Apr 18 12:08:36 What's the command for opening a microB window? Apr 18 12:08:52 check dbus cmds (wiki phonecontrol) Apr 18 12:09:42 Perhaps we should call this the Google approach: Instead of doing something shady and being labled 'evil', roll it into a 'feature'! Apr 18 12:10:20 no into a BETA! Apr 18 12:10:53 well, there's nothing wrong with that - except best-practice violations for installation Apr 18 12:11:49 but there are packages that are worse (*#-ena for example ;-P) Apr 18 12:11:51 Hm, do you know if there's a way to tell if the program's being installed via a graphical utility vs a command line one? Perhaps some X-server variable set? Apr 18 12:12:07 not afaik Apr 18 12:12:36 i2c-tools really bad Apr 18 12:12:52 technically you should see DISPLAY in env Apr 18 12:13:02 atleast if from a terminal Apr 18 12:13:18 wouldn't know if a graphical utility would provide the same info Apr 18 12:13:23 opens a requester *on phone X* you need to accept. Takes a while to notice why your apt-get via wlan-ssh stalls Apr 18 12:14:03 ssh doesn't have DISPLAY set Apr 18 12:14:12 even if X is running on whatever Apr 18 12:14:35 Yea... In my case, then, I'll just set the webpage to launch and ignore it. Install will continue, and worst case there'll be an extra window around Apr 18 12:14:53 exactly Apr 18 12:15:02 not really clean but bearable Apr 18 12:15:28 am i right in saying that all of: the reboot command, certain packages in HAM, and repeatedly killing hildon-desktop can cause reboot but not shutdowns? Apr 18 12:15:42 sigh! [2011-04-18 14:13:29] [Notify] infobot ist offline (irc.freenode.org). Apr 18 12:15:47 ~ping Apr 18 12:15:48 ~pong Apr 18 12:17:22 BCMM: aslong as your battery is alive... Apr 18 12:18:46 BCMM: well, packages could do a shutdown Apr 18 12:18:59 but for what reason? Apr 18 12:20:00 the watchdog does an emergency reboot and increases a failsafe counter, reboot does a reboot and packages do whatever they want... Apr 18 12:32:05 ~ping Apr 18 12:32:05 ~pong Apr 18 13:37:49 ~ping Apr 18 13:37:49 ~pong Apr 18 13:54:12 Tracking down noise on the power lines is an unfortunate sort of task. Apr 18 13:54:19 DocScrutinizer, hey buddy Apr 18 13:56:08 =( Apr 18 13:56:16 * ZogG slaps DocScrutinizer Apr 18 13:56:55 * kerio punches DocScrutinizer Apr 18 13:59:15 * ZogG and kerio double kick DocScrutinizer Apr 18 14:01:25 hey how to setup maemo runtime for qemu? Apr 18 14:01:55 I don't have the runtime installed and not sure how to get it Apr 18 14:07:23 ~ping Apr 18 14:07:24 ~pong Apr 18 14:11:33 DocScrutinizer you are definitely script Apr 18 14:13:26 jacekowski, ping Apr 18 14:57:55 hm i've got fork() working. but chroot still refuses to work... Apr 18 15:07:37 liar: you're building qemu for n900? Apr 18 15:08:49 pupnik: yes because the one in the repos does not work for me and i couldn't find the patches which are used by that version Apr 18 15:09:09 :| Apr 18 15:09:52 i think qemu isn't the fault anymore Apr 18 15:10:13 perhaps you need a more complete bash and not just busybox? Apr 18 15:11:26 maybe,... but i suspect the problem sits elsewhere Apr 18 15:12:20 brain isn't telling me anything Apr 18 15:13:45 is there allready a way to sync default calendar from n900 with a linux station without using a external website service? Apr 18 15:22:24 khertan, somehow, I think this is where it all went wrong https://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/history/4.7-fremantle/src/gui/text/qtextcontrol.cpp Apr 18 15:22:37 I've been tracing the aboutQt() dialog back to where it sets text Apr 18 15:29:07 khertan, i can't test khweeteur anymore =( Apr 18 15:49:29 who was the guy here hacking the columbus application? Apr 18 15:53:22 chem|st what do you mean hack? Apr 18 15:57:47 maintainer/builder/coder/hacker/brain behind columbus Apr 18 15:58:34 chem|st oh, who is releasing it? you can check it om TMO - the one who announeced it i think it a developer Apr 18 15:59:16 ZogG: in here... alterego I think was it Apr 18 15:59:33 chem|st maybe Apr 18 16:00:35 it was tswindell on TMO Apr 18 16:00:54 what are your takes on overclocking? Apr 18 16:02:02 chem|st if you want to contact him he has info on TMO http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=11220 Apr 18 16:04:04 zakkmm: takes? Apr 18 16:04:17 thoughts Apr 18 16:04:21 thinking of it Apr 18 16:04:35 i only use my phone very small times, never games or anything.. so the clockrate will never be high for long Apr 18 16:04:47 never thought further than "won't do ever" Apr 18 16:04:54 ++ Apr 18 16:05:01 why would you do overclocking Apr 18 16:05:12 cpu performance Apr 18 16:05:15 it's like one of the things you don't need but you want to as it's cool =) Apr 18 16:05:29 i liek my perfomance as it is Apr 18 16:05:35 ZogG: the performance is already at 25ms isn't it? Apr 18 16:05:39 both on desktop and n900 i would never overclock Apr 18 16:05:46 im a little less patient Apr 18 16:05:47 :) Apr 18 16:05:58 zakkmm, than buy dualcore phone Apr 18 16:06:07 i wanted maemo. Apr 18 16:06:11 all devices I ever overclocked stalled after short time... Apr 18 16:06:12 if they had a dual core phone i would of Apr 18 16:06:31 i had the 770 originally back in the day .. upgraded to n800 cause it was faster Apr 18 16:07:25 zakkmm: no need to overclock, hildon-home will eat it at 1GHz as it will on 600MHz... Apr 18 16:08:00 thats a good thing Apr 18 16:08:18 zakkmm: tweaking the settings and replacing hungry apps with better stuff is more important than clock rate Apr 18 16:08:19 just wait for meego device and hildon port to meego =) Apr 18 16:08:33 i saw that, codora or something Apr 18 16:08:58 i liked Mer back in the day , had an okay hildon-desktop'like Apr 18 16:09:10 bb Apr 18 16:16:58 Meanwhile: U.S. credit rating outlook lowered by S&P Apr 18 16:23:10 "open file" dialog on n900 is so slow that i misclick my way through the tree Apr 18 16:23:28 herky, jerky Apr 18 16:23:43 hurp, durp. stop. go Apr 18 16:24:05 right now it's stuck with a misdrawn directory list Apr 18 16:25:24 all hildon animations actually are stop and go slideshows atm Apr 18 16:25:24 wait until you see hoe much memory it allocates (use htop) Apr 18 16:31:13 i umm. just see hildon-desktop entries Apr 18 16:31:19 the hildon file dialog sucks Apr 18 16:31:26 No shit Sherlock... Apr 18 16:31:32 o hai RST38h Apr 18 16:31:34 :P Apr 18 16:31:37 heya Apr 18 16:31:37 well they got rid of the 'esc' key Apr 18 16:31:43 and the concept of the 'esc' Apr 18 16:32:00 if only someone made a Qt library to browse for files Apr 18 16:32:04 so they needed to reserve 1/5th the screen real estate for the 'get me out of here Apr 18 16:32:54 worse is if the dialog isn't parented and it crashes (doesn't close) Apr 18 16:33:01 you have to reboot or ssh in and kill it Apr 18 16:33:05 which i guess isn't totally bad, at least it's somewhat consistent Apr 18 16:33:18 latter isn't possible on the go Apr 18 16:33:19 what process does the dialog run under ? Apr 18 16:34:13 hmm i may have debug libc6 loaded Apr 18 16:45:39 The problem with the file dialog is notthe with UI itself Apr 18 16:46:08 It is with the gtk trying to read the WHOLE directory contents and create a separate widget for each filename Apr 18 16:46:13 RST38h явфкыеу =) Apr 18 16:46:17 zdraste* Apr 18 16:46:32 ZogG: privet. use something readable though, this ircii does not do unicode Apr 18 16:47:01 i just didn't switch to english Apr 18 16:47:06 In fact, I remember seeing it also traversing the first level of subdirectories, to "cache" things for better performance (sic) Apr 18 16:47:27 writting russian word in english letters while you forgot to switch from russian is kinda sacractic Apr 18 16:47:51 google actually understands it now! =) Apr 18 16:59:19 RST38h not always =( Apr 18 17:30:39 ZogG: pong Apr 18 17:32:26 jacekowski just a minute, on phone Apr 18 17:48:56 jacekowski, here Apr 18 17:49:24 i just wanted to talk to as much people as possible before i buy parts for N900 to fix it Apr 18 17:49:30 DocScrutinizer, pretty heleped me Apr 18 17:49:50 with what micrUSB to buy and inside battery Apr 18 17:50:16 btw DocScrutinizer, about inside battery. any other batteries that can fit and are good? Apr 18 17:51:28 dunno, you have to heck for voltage, dimesnion, and technology which I'd recommend to pick capacitive rather than LiIon Apr 18 17:51:37 Check* Apr 18 17:52:27 you also yould use a simple goldcap Apr 18 17:52:48 as long as it has >2.8V and fits mechanically Apr 18 17:53:05 DocScrutinizer, i'm pretty stupid and mostly stupid in HW so if you might help me i would appriteate this Apr 18 17:53:40 ask robbiethe1st Apr 18 17:53:41 i order one you told me but as i understand they don't provide it in our country =( Apr 18 17:53:48 he used a goldcap afaik Apr 18 17:53:54 DocScrutinizer who is it and he is not here =( Apr 18 17:54:16 DocScrutinizer any thread on TMO about it as well i can search for ? Apr 18 17:54:48 i would probablly change microusb for now and than in case it works i'll change battery after that Apr 18 17:54:53 what is tmo? :-P Apr 18 17:54:58 as battery would be nice but it's not main thing Apr 18 17:55:07 DocScrutinizer talk.maemo.org =) Apr 18 17:55:19 never heard of that Apr 18 17:55:50 DocScrutinizer it's used here a lot =-) Apr 18 17:55:54 and you just trolling me Apr 18 17:56:03 as you know everything as you just like google bot Apr 18 17:56:14 you collection all the data over internets Apr 18 17:56:23 ~tmo Apr 18 17:56:23 methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Apr 18 17:56:35 ~t-mo Apr 18 17:56:35 well, t-mo is T-Mobile Apr 18 17:56:37 ~factinfo tmo Apr 18 17:56:37 tmo -- created by MohammadAG51 <~lagrange@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> at Wed Sep 8 12:31:38 2010 (222 days); last modified at Sat Oct 23 14:06:02 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 24 times, last by ZogG, 14s ago. Apr 18 17:57:04 ~ZogG Apr 18 17:57:05 you are probably not awesome at all Apr 18 17:57:14 ~factinfo ZogG Apr 18 17:57:14 zogg -- created by DocScrutinizer <~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon May 10 13:53:31 2010 (343 days); last modified at Thu Mar 3 19:04:33 2011 by jacekowski!jacekowski@jacekowski.org; it has been requested 4 times, last by ZogG, 10s ago. Apr 18 17:57:26 lol Apr 18 17:57:48 i forgot what was before jacekowski changed it Apr 18 18:17:32 MohammadAG: new error : http://pastebin.com/MNXfywPV Apr 18 18:17:34 :) Apr 18 18:24:53 khertan, lemme guess x64? Apr 18 18:25:01 set vdso32=0 Apr 18 18:32:10 ZogG: ? Apr 18 18:32:57 DocScrutinizer: do you know his problem? Apr 18 18:33:03 DocScrutinizer: he may have some lifted tracks there Apr 18 18:33:41 not at all, no photos no details Apr 18 18:33:47 yeah Apr 18 18:36:17 if you wanna have a laugh, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=991262&postcount=3081 Apr 18 18:41:16 MohammadAG: indeed amd64 ... i think it set it ... or maybe i read it too fast Apr 18 18:43:20 MohammadAG: the question is now what does it does ... (google my friend ...) Apr 18 18:43:47 awesome...re-writing certain aspects of my space invaders game in c++ has much improoved the speed! Apr 18 18:43:59 hahah Venemo Apr 18 18:44:00 * RST38h prays to the Tentacled One Apr 18 18:44:23 i was just thinking of you RST38h Apr 18 18:44:46 ah, see, the Tentacled One delivers Apr 18 18:45:03 Not always what you wish for, but anyway Apr 18 18:47:04 piggz liked your game btw Apr 18 18:47:07 thnks Apr 18 18:47:37 ZogG: thx! Apr 18 18:47:55 no thx to you Apr 18 18:48:00 ZogG: keep your eyes out for an update in the coming days Apr 18 18:48:23 there are no slowdowns now Apr 18 18:48:39 i broke my n900 =) Apr 18 18:48:46 unlucky! Apr 18 18:48:55 =( Apr 18 18:48:58 yes indeed Apr 18 18:50:02 khertan, disables something I don't care about :P Apr 18 18:57:18 chem|st, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=10174346 Apr 18 19:06:44 error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key ... humhu Apr 18 19:13:44 curent mypaint has a ridiculously long startup time Apr 18 19:14:35 oh god it's slow Apr 18 19:15:16 5 second delay from drawing a stroke with 100 radius circle Apr 18 19:16:53 \o Apr 18 19:16:57 wheeeeeeeee Apr 18 19:17:08 using communi for the first time :D Apr 18 19:17:14 its good! Apr 18 19:17:29 :o where is the full screen? Apr 18 19:21:43 MohammadAG: "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." Apr 18 19:22:07 MohammadAG: you mean bada rocks? Apr 18 19:22:26 lol a thread i started under an alt nick in 2009 has 241,000 views Apr 18 19:23:27 chem|st, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=finduser&u=52911 Apr 18 19:24:08 I'd keep his posts and ban him Apr 18 19:27:02 MohammadAG: kept him and deleted his posts... you have too much food... trollfeeding isn't a good hobby Apr 18 19:28:01 why'd you keep him? :P Apr 18 19:30:42 startx & Apr 18 19:30:50 opps Apr 18 19:32:27 MohammadAG: he got a warning, an offending one... "you will get banned in no time" Apr 18 19:39:40 creativetone is an awesome artist.. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=991329&postcount=586 Apr 18 19:39:45 (new pic) Apr 18 20:07:46 can't update / wget from scratchbox armel. nsswitch.conf is patched Apr 18 20:08:02 so sick of manually installing libraries Apr 18 20:08:37 and not having ping Apr 18 20:17:55 W: Couldn't stat source package list http://80.157.150.17 fremantle/tools/non-free Apr 18 20:18:07 remember when you could actually just use an ip address Apr 18 20:18:09 remember? Apr 18 20:18:12 anyone? Apr 18 20:18:43 * pupnik remembers Apr 18 20:18:50 heh Apr 18 20:21:10 yeah before virtual hosts... Apr 18 20:21:36 Hi *, a lot of processes appear twice with 'ps faux' http://pastebin.com/HucqCvwj. Is this normal? Apr 18 20:22:32 same here jhb Apr 18 20:22:49 things with [] are kernel btw Apr 18 20:22:54 jhb: yes Apr 18 20:23:07 jhb: thre are two halvres to manyprocesses Apr 18 20:23:51 how exactly does one build apache2 on scratchbox Apr 18 20:24:04 the build fails with qemu segfaulting Apr 18 20:24:21 is there a better qemu than the one scratchbox provides that I can use Apr 18 20:24:28 preferably one that supports forking? Apr 18 20:27:13 SpeedEvil, pupnik: thanks Apr 18 20:27:29 ahh /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf isn't chrooted to /etc/resolv.conf when you're in the build target Apr 18 20:28:08 alright, i guess I'll just modify the makefile to not run ./apache2 Apr 18 21:04:12 *sigh* Apr 18 21:04:16 ~uptime Apr 18 21:09:51 what happened doc? Apr 18 21:19:46 thanks for python-numpy jacekowski Apr 18 21:20:23 why the f--- does mypaint require a scientific computing library Apr 18 21:21:15 oh no, no, no Apr 18 21:21:37 nooooooo :( lib/mypaintlib.i:PyObject * gdkpixbuf_numeric2numpy(PyObject * gdk_pixbuf_pixels_array); Apr 18 21:21:59 ? Apr 18 21:23:43 it's slow Proteous . the program is dog-slow Apr 18 21:24:25 draw a long sketchy stroke, wait 5 seconds for it to appear slow Apr 18 21:24:31 I see Apr 18 21:24:31 heh Apr 18 21:24:44 infobot/apt got sick and is in hospital, hope she's well again soon Apr 18 21:25:16 lib/stroke.py: data = numpy.array(self.tmp_event_list, dtype='float64') Apr 18 21:25:31 did she caught a virus? Apr 18 21:25:35 i hate everything Apr 18 21:26:11 jacekowski: possibly, or a freenode poisoning Apr 18 21:27:20 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) Apr 18 21:32:38 pupnik, but everything had nothing but good things to say about you. :P Apr 18 21:33:41 nice Apr 18 21:34:39 one thing though, the community did a great job building libraries for n900 Apr 18 21:34:45 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Apr 18 21:36:46 ~botsnack Apr 18 21:36:46 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Apr 18 21:39:46 pupnik: LOL Apr 18 21:41:15 well Apr 18 21:41:32 (for float64) Apr 18 21:41:58 yeah that's inner-loop stuff Apr 18 21:42:31 and they're calling a generic 'scientific computing' library within it with not a care in the world Apr 18 21:42:42 'now we can do everything! weee!' Apr 18 21:43:37 guys Apr 18 21:43:42 hey guys Apr 18 21:43:51 hey! Apr 18 21:43:56 building apache is a terrible thing Apr 18 21:44:11 listen! Apr 18 21:44:12 especially when all i want to do is apt-get -b source php Apr 18 21:50:16 Sazpaimon: building things can be difficult Apr 18 21:52:14 someone hit the z button plz Apr 18 21:52:22 z Apr 18 21:52:37 z Apr 18 21:53:23 sorry, legend of zelda joke continuation Apr 18 21:58:44 killing dsme is a bad bad thing to do Apr 18 22:01:17 heh Apr 18 22:01:46 'They shoot DSME's, don't they'. Apr 18 22:02:33 I was trying to strace it Apr 18 22:02:57 screen won't turn on, mce was running through dsme Apr 18 22:03:00 meh, this sucks Apr 18 22:03:26 at least there's a way to disable mass storage mode without unplugging the cable Apr 18 22:03:41 cut the cable Apr 18 22:04:16 there actually is a way :P Apr 18 22:04:42 umount, osso-usb-mass-storage-disable.sh, ke-recv-test de Apr 18 22:09:29 pupnik, building apache never gave me this much trouble Apr 18 22:09:54 qemu segfaults whenever it starts the apache2 binary, which is part of the debian build process Apr 18 22:19:11 DocScrutinizer, how can one monitor sysfs changes? Apr 18 22:20:08 kevents Apr 18 22:20:40 KernelEvents-RECeiVe Apr 18 22:20:52 see? Apr 18 22:21:48 wait, so ke-recv is that o_O Apr 18 22:22:50 I'm thinking of rewriting the status menu applet for USB Apr 18 22:22:53 Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun?/file Apr 18 22:22:53 /dev/mmcblk0p1 Apr 18 22:22:53 /dev/mmcblk1 Apr 18 22:23:04 that's when the device is mounted on a host Apr 18 22:23:22 after it's unmount/ejected from the host: Apr 18 22:23:26 Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun?/file Apr 18 22:23:27 Nokia-N900:~# Apr 18 22:23:58 wow, how retarded Apr 18 22:24:03 Nokia-N900:~# osso-usb-mass-storage-is-used.sh; echo $? Apr 18 22:24:04 0 Apr 18 22:24:18 it's just the applet that doesn't update the GUI until the cable's unplugged Apr 18 22:25:45 lol Apr 18 22:26:43 probably because that sysnode doesn't support kevents? that would mean the applet had to poll, and it'S a sane thing they don't do it Apr 18 22:27:48 DocScrutinizer, I can think of an easy way Apr 18 22:27:55 try ke-recv-test to emulate the cable-pull Apr 18 22:27:56 keep the button enabled Apr 18 22:28:08 doesn't change the applet, already tried it Apr 18 22:28:15 :-( Apr 18 22:28:21 if the user clicks the button, check if the device is mounted Apr 18 22:28:29 if so, bitch about it, if not, allow USB mode change Apr 18 22:28:49 this eliminates the need to poll Apr 18 22:28:59 umm Apr 18 22:29:08 can't follow Apr 18 22:29:44 DocScrutinizer, right now, the applet switches from a button to a label if a USB mode is set right? Apr 18 22:30:55 which one? Apr 18 22:31:21 the USB applet Apr 18 22:31:27 USB? never seen that as a button Apr 18 22:31:32 plug a cable in, tap outside the dialog Apr 18 22:31:41 it's a button if it's in "Charging only" Apr 18 22:31:50 oh Apr 18 22:32:52 now, instead of switching to a label, keep it as a button, even in mass storage mode Apr 18 22:33:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CucbHzgQ0kU latest Mypaint 0.8.2 speed on n900 Apr 18 22:33:07 if the user clicks it, check if those files are empty (i.e device ejected), and allow changing modes Apr 18 22:33:18 ^ doc, if you have 32 seconds Apr 18 22:33:39 if the files aren't empty (device mounted), display a hildon notification "Oi, device is mounted, eject it first or yank the cable out" Apr 19 00:03:41 http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-droid-3-leaks-again-with-5-row-qwerty-keyboard-dual-core-20110316/ dual-core phone with 5-row keyboard Apr 19 00:08:48 my god, if that could run linux... Apr 19 00:10:27 Android is linux. Apr 19 00:10:37 Just not gnu/linux Apr 19 00:19:22 pedant :) Apr 19 00:20:44 SpeedEvil: it's nto Linux either Apr 19 00:20:45 it's a fork Apr 19 00:23:17 i was afraid hardware keyboards would become endangered species Apr 19 00:23:34 they are Apr 19 00:23:39 good ones even moreso Apr 19 00:24:19 well compare today and 2007 Apr 19 00:24:33 more handhelds with hw keyboards now Apr 19 00:25:02 i mean qwerty Apr 19 00:25:19 qwerty is a minus Apr 19 00:25:28 I wonder about something like the microwriter Apr 19 00:25:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroWriter,_AgendA,_and_CyKey.jpg Apr 19 00:26:04 I had a microwriter Agenda Apr 19 00:26:19 I wonder if it could be adapterd to keys round the edge of the device Apr 19 00:26:36 In fact I still have the agenda Apr 19 00:28:07 you can type by twisting rotary knobs if you want. i'm not interested in such diversions Apr 19 00:28:22 Fair enough. Apr 19 00:30:05 i could imagine a chording device might be useful if it were in your front pocket,with a heads-up display in glasses Apr 19 00:30:46 Yeah.For that nerd-masturbating-text-entry-chic Apr 19 00:31:01 discrete texting Apr 19 00:35:43 haha .. i prefer looking silly when typing text on my n900 than looking like wanking in the train :P Apr 19 00:40:05 discreet **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 19 02:59:57 2011