**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 19 02:59:58 2011 Apr 19 04:37:57 wb DocScrutinizer Apr 19 04:38:16 did you see the maemo + mypaint speedtest Apr 19 05:38:33 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/18/microsoft_word_supremecourt_i4i/ <-- if you can't win adjust the parameters so that you can... Apr 19 06:27:38 Morning Apr 19 06:31:43 moo :) Apr 19 06:33:05 ~moo Apr 19 06:33:05 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Apr 19 06:35:06 ~cookie Apr 19 06:35:08 Hey vldcnst, zip 58480 is Sanborn Barnes ND Apr 19 06:36:26 huh? Apr 19 06:36:31 how is that cookie? Apr 19 06:37:37 no idea. Apr 19 06:37:41 ~fsck infobot Apr 19 06:37:41 e2fsck /dev/infobot : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Apr 19 06:44:35 Maemo SDK Install Try Number 12 Apr 19 06:45:08 after the qt segfault, the vdso32, the libc which was upgraded by mistake .... i hope it ll be ok this time Apr 19 06:45:09 :) Apr 19 07:48:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkllP1bvjEY&feature=player_detailpage Multitasking at 1.15ghz. :P Apr 19 07:58:31 moaning Apr 19 08:01:47 ~moo Apr 19 08:01:47 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Apr 19 08:02:02 ~botsnack Apr 19 08:02:02 aw, gee, chem|st Apr 19 08:02:21 ~cough Apr 19 08:02:22 * infobot coughs all over chem|st Apr 19 08:02:29 yogurt, curd, cream cheese & butter's made from liquid from my udders... Apr 19 08:26:46 Robot101, I don't want to know about your manboobs, and what oozes out of them, thank you very much Apr 19 08:27:53 crashanddie: Still, I bet you will watch a youtube video, if available... Apr 19 08:28:04 Not really Apr 19 08:28:14 RST38h, http://bottleguy.com much? Apr 19 08:28:29 Dunno Apr 19 08:28:34 Meanwhile: ESRB To Automate Game Rating Apr 19 08:28:57 "To do this the organization has written a program designed to replicate the ingrained cultural norms and predilections of the everyday American consumer, at least when it comes to what is appropriate for children and what isnt." Apr 19 08:30:02 hahahaha Apr 19 08:53:45 * crashanddie just worked through a 12000 line commit Apr 19 08:53:55 fuck me, now that's what I call integration ;) Apr 19 09:07:24 * Khertan just launch try 19 to install maemo sdk Apr 19 09:09:19 the reason this time is because i didn't have xterm Apr 19 09:09:20 :) Apr 19 09:19:09 "Export contacts step 5/5: Failed" "Unable to save" -> is there any option to copy a file from the filesystem manually by using the terminal for instance instead of this Ui error ? Apr 19 09:19:24 I would like to export the contacts from this phone to another N900. Apr 19 09:33:36 crashanddie: :( it's the next line of the cow song Apr 19 09:46:06 Robot101, I am sure I heard someone singing it loudly whilst drinking ale in Belgium Apr 19 09:48:38 djszapi: copy the db Apr 19 09:49:25 chem|st: more precisely ? Apr 19 09:49:41 djszapi: open xterm Apr 19 09:50:10 djszapi: cp .osso-abook/db/addressbook.db $yourlocation Apr 19 09:50:10 what db ? Apr 19 09:56:06 djszapi: also pc-suite is able to just copy&paste your entire abook Apr 19 09:58:12 http://paste.kde.org/13579/ -> Why do I get this message with a fresh N900 from the shop ? My other N900 works just fine. Apr 19 09:59:23 djszapi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_backup_and_restore Apr 19 10:00:10 chem|st: what should I check there ? Apr 19 10:00:25 abook backup Apr 19 10:00:37 there is a cli for the backup Apr 19 10:00:48 why do I need backup for a fresh gadget ? Apr 19 10:01:05 should save in vcf or something so you can use it with any other device or software Apr 19 10:01:29 I would like to connect to the fresh gadget over ssh. Apr 19 10:02:10 you can send the file via BT aswell Apr 19 10:02:31 djszapi: try pinging the computer from the device, and connect to the device at the same time :D ... seems stupid but works for me Apr 19 10:02:46 and no route to host means there is no .2.15 responding Apr 19 10:03:26 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8460300/Apple-sues-Samsung-for-slavish-copying-of-iPhone-and-iPad.html Apr 19 10:04:01 liar: ping: permission denied. (are you root?) Apr 19 10:04:26 sudo ping ... Apr 19 10:04:29 ^^ Apr 19 10:05:07 wow do I need to be sudo to ping. Apr 19 10:05:09 is an ssh server running? Apr 19 10:05:09 that is odd. Apr 19 10:05:33 what is the sudo password, not rootme Apr 19 10:05:37 djszapi: user should not be able to do anything, so not even ping Apr 19 10:05:45 just type root Apr 19 10:06:15 and without root password you wont be able to ssh to your device anyway Apr 19 10:06:19 bwuaaahahahahaha FTFA: "Samsung’s tablet, like Apple’s, uses a similar rectangular design with rounded corners" Apr 19 10:06:44 no root password set means you dont have a ssh server installed as the installscript forces you to set a password Apr 19 10:07:07 chem|st: Actually, if you fail to enter a password before the screen locks it screws you. Apr 19 10:07:17 FauxFaux: oh nice Apr 19 10:07:29 chem|st, well you can unset the root password later and set a password for user, or create a new user and set a password for that... Apr 19 10:07:52 but becoming root on device and passwd it Apr 19 10:08:06 mece: we are talking LUser here not ROOT Apr 19 10:08:56 mece: peops who got problems with copying files via ssh I doubt be more than a user Apr 19 10:09:27 well by user I meant the user user. not "a user". Apr 19 10:09:42 chem|st: wget does not require user. Apr 19 10:09:45 * root Apr 19 10:09:53 "for user, or create a new user" I get the difference! Apr 19 10:10:01 moreover, "root" does not really work Apr 19 10:10:13 root doesn't work? Apr 19 10:10:26 then you did not install rootsh yet Apr 19 10:10:47 of course not since I could not connect to the device yet. Apr 19 10:10:57 and I do not have wi-fi connection. Apr 19 10:11:02 djszapi: starting your browser does not require root either O_o Apr 19 10:11:36 djszapi: what about connecting the two devices directly to each other? Apr 19 10:12:13 not an option, please forget that now I have another device Apr 19 10:12:23 let us say I have this newly bought N900, how can I make it work for ssh ? Apr 19 10:12:27 from the desktop PC. Apr 19 10:14:06 install rootsh and after that OpenSSH Client and Server Apr 19 10:14:13 ^^ Apr 19 10:15:16 you will be prompted for root password with the second install Apr 19 10:15:32 how to install them ? Apr 19 10:15:44 application manager? Apr 19 10:15:49 without internet ? Apr 19 10:15:52 how ? Apr 19 10:16:23 how would you get ssh open without it connected to a network? Apr 19 10:16:26 you could connect your device to the internet to get internet Apr 19 10:16:35 download deb files, open in file manager Apr 19 10:16:38 liar: to my wired internet ? Apr 19 10:16:45 how to do that with no usb networking ? Apr 19 10:16:53 (with no ssh?) Apr 19 10:16:56 wifi? Apr 19 10:17:02 BT Apr 19 10:17:04 I do not have wi-fi as said ? Apr 19 10:17:10 bluetooth Apr 19 10:17:12 ah sry then Apr 19 10:17:14 usb Apr 19 10:17:21 Uh... Just copy the .deb files into your card Apr 19 10:17:33 or ^^ Apr 19 10:17:38 then open in the filemanager. it'll install with the app manager Apr 19 10:18:00 well what I was about is a mass storage stuff Apr 19 10:18:43 yes Apr 19 10:18:45 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.5_armel.deb Apr 19 10:18:50 thats the rootsh Apr 19 10:19:19 copy it by using usb-msd Apr 19 10:21:22 then copy the .osso-abook/db/addressbook.db to it as well (you dont need to install rootsh if it is only about that file Apr 19 10:22:57 chem|st: same ssh error after installing the rootsh Apr 19 10:23:00 I would copy the full folders .osso-abook and .osso-abook-backup to the massstorage and then open a terminal (xterm) and mv them in place (msd is MyDocs and SD-Card but you want it to be in /home/user/ Apr 19 10:23:37 djszapi: if you got no usbnetwork then you got no internet and without ssh-server installed it makes no sense at all Apr 19 10:24:21 yeah, I need the openssh-server... Apr 19 10:24:43 root/rootme does not still work after installing rootsh tho. Apr 19 10:25:04 sudo gainroot; passwd? Apr 19 10:25:40 frals: for what he wants he doesn't need anything of that Apr 19 10:25:45 exactly. Apr 19 10:25:52 I need an openssh-server Apr 19 10:25:55 and all it is dependencies manually. Apr 19 10:26:13 djszapi: if you got no usb-netowrk up you don't need it Apr 19 10:26:30 wonder what you mean. Apr 19 10:26:42 if you got usb-network up just route it to the internet and install with app-manager... Apr 19 10:26:44 chem|st: wth is he trying to do? Apr 19 10:26:57 frals: copying his abook db... Apr 19 10:27:04 not really Apr 19 10:27:10 that is just one thing of the millions. Apr 19 10:27:19 which requires usb networking... Apr 19 10:27:21 djszapi: setup usb-netowrking Apr 19 10:27:29 first! Apr 19 10:27:38 how without openssh-server ? Apr 19 10:27:42 then give that brick internet! Apr 19 10:27:45 and all its dependencies manually ? Apr 19 10:28:04 djszapi: you dont need ssh to enable usb-networking... Apr 19 10:28:05 djszapi: dropbear Apr 19 10:28:18 people STOP it Apr 19 10:28:37 he got root, now he needs usb-networking... Apr 19 10:32:20 djszapi: btw what are the "millions" of things you wanna do? Apr 19 10:33:01 no idea how to set the usb network up...the other gadget works out-of-the-box... Apr 19 10:33:19 there should not be any problem on the host PC side and I can ping the host PC from the phone. Apr 19 10:33:42 you sure you got the IP right? Apr 19 10:33:53 absolutely. Apr 19 10:34:11 setup a gateway on your host so your n900 gets internets Apr 19 10:34:24 it is not about internet... Apr 19 10:34:43 I would like to use ssh, scp for now, if that works, usb networking is an easy thing. Apr 19 10:34:45 djszapi: but having internet makes the rest easier Apr 19 10:35:03 and the internet usage. Again then, what does not work from the beginning is the ssh connection. Apr 19 10:35:25 that is why I said the openssh server stuff ... Apr 19 10:35:33 djszapi: as long as you are not listening I wont help you anymore Apr 19 10:35:53 it saves you at least 30min if you setup the gateway Apr 19 10:36:04 this conversation is confusing :D Apr 19 10:36:29 frals: I feel like talking to a parking-clock Apr 19 10:38:18 djszapi: install any ssh server of your choice by hand via masstorage if you like to do so... but without your routing setup properly you only need an ssh client Apr 19 10:41:52 /home/mohammad/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/toolchains/arm-2007q3-51sb6-gdb71-arm-none-linux-gnueabi_linux_x86_64/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtFeedback Apr 19 10:41:55 any suggestions? Apr 19 10:42:00 I have the .so where it should be Apr 19 10:42:24 it's in /lib or /usr/lib ? Apr 19 10:42:38 it has the wrong name? Apr 19 10:42:45 yes and no Apr 19 10:42:48 might need to pass it -L/path/to/where/libQtFeedback.so Apr 19 10:43:01 erm... sans the libQtFeedback.so Apr 19 10:43:46 MohammadAG: ls -l /usr/lib/libQtFeedback*? Apr 19 10:44:01 chem|st: no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Apr 19 10:44:26 meh, nevermind, just made 5 copies and overwrote the broken symlinks Apr 19 10:46:54 openssh-common/client/server are installed, still no ssh access. Apr 19 10:47:13 and how are you trying to connect to it? Apr 19 10:47:23 since you dont have usbnetworking or internet access? Apr 19 10:47:29 over ssh ? Apr 19 10:47:41 as just in case the other gadget ? Apr 19 10:48:00 what other gadget? Apr 19 10:48:03 one with usbnetworking? Apr 19 10:48:06 nvm Apr 19 10:48:52 not sure how usb networking or internet access is ssh access related... Apr 19 10:49:09 well you kinda need some networking if you wnat to reach the device normally Apr 19 10:49:43 not sure how you would access the device without a network of some sorts Apr 19 10:49:44 not internet, nor usb networking. Apr 19 10:49:53 I mean not usb networking for internet Apr 19 10:49:55 just a simple one. Apr 19 10:50:11 not sure how to access the device with no internet ? Apr 19 10:50:21 well kinda no need for that if you wanna use only ssh Apr 19 10:52:56 I think I run out of the ideas for ssh usage. I need to ask for help on the forum. Apr 19 10:54:50 'access the device withno internat' ? Apr 19 10:54:57 ssh is not a means of connectivity Apr 19 10:55:09 you cannot connect over ssh. SSH is a protocol that runs over a network. Apr 19 10:55:10 ssh access, yup. Apr 19 10:55:16 but no internet. Apr 19 10:55:17 If you have no network, you cannot use SSH Apr 19 10:55:23 that is what I said ? Apr 19 10:55:50 You need to bring the network up. Then work out what to do with ssh. Apr 19 10:56:19 that is what I have not the lightest about after everything seems to be okay. Apr 19 10:56:24 * slightest Apr 19 10:57:42 I can even ping the host PC, but I cannot login over ssh. Apr 19 10:58:08 what does it say when you ssh to the phone Apr 19 10:58:31 still the same Apr 19 10:58:43 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: No route to host Apr 19 10:59:04 internet != network connection Apr 19 10:59:37 Ok - now ping the phone from the host Apr 19 10:59:47 You seem to have messed up routing somehow Apr 19 11:00:10 Are you sure you're pinging the host from the phone, not pinging the phone from the phone Apr 19 11:00:19 pretty sure Apr 19 11:01:47 seems it works after a gadget reboot Apr 19 11:01:56 something requires a device reboot then. Apr 19 11:02:04 some part of this procedure. Apr 19 11:03:26 did you follow the wiki? Apr 19 11:03:29 ~usbnetworking Apr 19 11:03:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Apr 19 11:04:03 yes ofc Apr 19 11:04:14 ~usbnetworking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Apr 19 11:04:15 MohammadAG: okay Apr 19 11:06:01 scp addressbook.db root@192.168.2.15:/home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db -> pretty much did not work Apr 19 11:07:00 I do not see the contacts in my contact list of the gadget after all. Apr 19 11:08:22 but did it copy? Apr 19 11:08:31 sure Apr 19 11:09:23 killall osso-addressbook Apr 19 11:10:05 device reboot Apr 19 11:10:10 windows way ;) Apr 19 11:10:51 must be R&D mode that doesn't make it reboot here Apr 19 11:11:53 no contact after reboot either. Apr 19 11:12:06 no clue..... Apr 19 11:13:25 also, it seems it does not join automatically to the usb0 with ifup by default. Apr 19 11:14:07 mmh again ssh issue... Apr 19 11:14:23 I am not lucky today with it :) Apr 19 11:19:47 djszapi: does the other way round work? Apr 19 11:20:03 djszapi: are you abel to ssh to your desktop from n900? Apr 19 11:20:32 as you said you can ping your desktop from n900 Apr 19 11:20:36 well the biggest problem is that now, your address book copy idea did not really work out Apr 19 11:21:05 I wonder why it is not enough as do I about the not successful exporting. Apr 19 11:21:18 so copying the two folders to your $n900-home did not work? even after a reboot? Apr 19 11:21:29 you mentioned _one_ file. Apr 19 11:21:47 I said I would copy two folders Apr 19 11:22:03 the db is only one file Apr 19 11:22:12 I thought you wnat to extract them Apr 19 11:22:41 well that is odd I cannot export it Apr 19 11:22:48 extract ? Apr 19 11:22:53 your mean care to ellaborate ? Apr 19 11:23:10 convert the .db to some .vcf Apr 19 11:23:23 not sure what you mean Apr 19 11:23:53 and why that would be better than a file by file copy. Apr 19 11:24:08 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: No route to host Apr 19 11:24:08 lost connection Apr 19 11:24:12 the _one_ file I refered to is a .db and exported contacts are saved as .vcf the process I would call extracting Apr 19 11:24:18 I need to set the usb0 interface up after each reboot Apr 19 11:24:25 I wonder why. Apr 19 11:24:32 djszapi: you usbnetworking does not work... yet Apr 19 11:24:41 odd Apr 19 11:25:22 I have no clue why Apr 19 11:25:27 route is added etc Apr 19 11:25:35 auto usb0 in the interfaces etc Apr 19 11:26:18 also, two folders copy did not really help Apr 19 11:26:32 my addressbook is still empty. Apr 19 11:27:55 easier to copy manually each contact seriously. Apr 19 11:28:32 what about using the cli as described in the wiki? Apr 19 11:28:55 your mean ? Apr 19 11:28:56 or use the backup tool (that saves contacts aswell)= Apr 19 11:29:21 djszapi: link I posted ^^ Apr 19 11:29:36 Venemo, didn't you have a library that could generate a yellow message? Apr 19 11:29:41 like the one for email Apr 19 11:29:44 how can i catch app minimize event (Qt), statechange event does nothing :/ Apr 19 11:30:29 djszapi, add ifup usb0 to /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh Apr 19 11:30:31 before exit 0 Apr 19 11:30:44 already happened. Apr 19 11:31:28 trx: what do you mean by minimize? as far as i can see, maemo's WM doesn't really do minimization Apr 19 11:31:32 do you mean loss of focus? Apr 19 11:31:36 no idea why I cannot export the addressbook... Apr 19 11:32:08 BCMM well, anything that can tell me that my app isnt in focus (so i can stop some timers) Apr 19 11:32:43 trx: i think you want to search for loss of focus, not minimising Apr 19 11:33:12 minimising is when, on a normal PC, you click the button that sends the window to the taskbar Apr 19 11:33:20 so it doesnt really minimize.. Apr 19 11:33:34 thanks Apr 19 11:33:39 ill look arround Apr 19 11:34:04 trx: http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2008-08/thread00486-0.html looks like one solution Apr 19 11:34:26 MohammadAG: I would expected that I add those lines I can connect by default after a reboot.. Apr 19 11:34:35 BCMM thank you Apr 19 11:34:59 can I export the address book from the command line ? Apr 19 11:35:09 djszapi, you have to click PC Suite Apr 19 11:35:14 trx: also, maybe http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qwidget.html#focus-prop Apr 19 11:35:28 (i mean, i don't know what happens if you try that with an actual window) Apr 19 11:35:30 MohammadAG: your mean ? Apr 19 11:36:09 i'll try it out and see :) Apr 19 11:36:16 this is funny I cannot export the addressbook and I do not get any proper error message either. Apr 19 11:36:47 djszapi: osso-addressbook-backup -e /path/file Apr 19 11:37:24 djszapi, you didn't read the wiki I guess Apr 19 11:37:38 djszapi: MohammadAG means that you need to tap _PC-Suite_ when then N900 is asking Apr 19 11:37:56 are you seriously think I could use earlier without tapping ? :) Apr 19 11:38:06 that is so implicite and does not work without that :) Apr 19 11:38:11 MohammadAG, I do, yes Apr 19 11:38:24 MohammadAG, it's in q-extras Apr 19 11:38:56 MohammadAG, the api would need some refining though, but it should work. Apr 19 11:39:16 Venemo, already found a forum nokia article :) Apr 19 11:39:35 MohammadAG, well, my lib makes it easier than that article... Apr 19 11:39:49 and it also does more. Apr 19 11:40:22 chem|st: osso-addressbook-backup -e /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db Apr 19 11:40:22 open_system_abook: Cannot open book Apr 19 11:42:58 chem|st: it is a PITA. Apr 19 11:43:04 ehrm path to backupfile... Apr 19 11:43:07 would be much better to fix the export... Apr 19 11:43:25 ok, so please be more precise Apr 19 11:43:30 what to give it to then ? Apr 19 11:43:57 Nokia-N900:~# ls /home/user/.osso-backup/ Apr 19 11:43:57 Nokia-N900:~# Apr 19 11:43:59 ok doesn't work here either wierd Apr 19 11:44:32 please send me an email if you got it work if I can ask, I do not have more time for it now Apr 19 11:44:38 or ping on freenode :) Apr 19 11:44:45 kinda basic functionality. Apr 19 11:47:13 and osso-backup does not work as well? Apr 19 11:48:11 ~slap chem|st Apr 19 11:48:12 * infobot slaps chem|st, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Apr 19 11:48:36 djszapi: you are running the osso-adressbook-backup as root or user? Apr 19 11:48:40 meanwhile it works for my colleague, just asked... Apr 19 11:48:53 yes ofc Apr 19 11:49:12 * Khertan is happy ... finnally successfully install maemo sdk Apr 19 11:49:17 ouch ... what a loose of time Apr 19 11:49:22 as user it just works for me (there is no abook for root ;) Apr 19 11:49:48 does not really work here. Apr 19 11:49:53 the command runs, but no new contact. Apr 19 11:49:59 just an empty one Apr 19 11:50:08 then the abook is empty Apr 19 11:50:14 obviously not Apr 19 11:50:29 look into the .db Apr 19 11:50:32 obviously not Apr 19 11:50:39 some parts are human readable Apr 19 11:50:47 it is really the same... Apr 19 11:51:12 djszapi: new contact? Apr 19 11:51:46 nothing, but I am really pissed off by it Apr 19 11:51:47 sorry Apr 19 11:51:53 thank you for your help anyway Apr 19 11:51:56 I stop it now Apr 19 11:51:57 :( Apr 19 11:52:02 djszapi: $location where the actual abook is run as user: osso-addressbook-backup -e backupcontacts.vcf Apr 19 11:52:50 djszapi: copy backupcontacts.vcf to n900 and use the import from file option from your hildon-abook application Apr 19 11:53:12 $location == $device Apr 19 12:12:50 Someone notice some Qt segfault with Qt4.7.2 from CSSU too ? Apr 19 12:18:50 achipa, so, I'll ask again, should I jump to QtM 1.1 or just send recompiled packages for libqtm, libqtm-11, and libqtm-12? Apr 19 12:19:47 MohammadAG: where does the packaging come from ? Apr 19 12:20:14 achipa, repos, if I don't recompile against 4.7.2 then apps segfault Apr 19 12:20:34 which repos ? which one has 1.1 as libqtm ? Apr 19 12:20:45 so I need to provide new QtM packages in the next update, I'm just not sure whether to push the same versions recompiled or push a new version Apr 19 12:21:04 umm, none, that's what I'm asking Apr 19 12:21:26 should I rename libqtm-11 to libqtm and send that in an update, or just push recompiled packages for all 3 versions? Apr 19 12:21:37 the latter won't break apps for sure Apr 19 12:25:51 hello anyone up? Apr 19 12:26:01 I need someone to help me with a favor Apr 19 12:31:34 MohammadAG: not sure if renaming would work, some extra tweaking with path would be needed Apr 19 12:31:42 MohammadAG: as that stuff is not in /usr/lib Apr 19 12:32:21 (so stuff compiled against 1.0 would fail in that case if you just upped) Apr 19 12:32:52 so I would generally recommend to keep the same versions Apr 19 12:39:27 achipa, I know, realized that with Qt 4.7.2 Apr 19 12:39:35 got it Apr 19 13:14:30 MohammadAG: does there is any urgency to jump to Qt 4.7.2 in cssu ? Apr 19 13:21:31 Does there is still maemo4 user's ? Apr 19 14:44:20 is this what Obama does (blinking with the eyes) when he lies? Apr 19 14:44:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv8xyHhDKkY#t=1m34s Apr 19 15:06:39 Does qt use gles on maemo ? Apr 19 15:09:30 Khertan, read the rules file Apr 19 15:09:31 debian/rules Apr 19 15:09:31 you'll find the right configuration for it Apr 19 15:09:47 yep yep ... Apr 19 15:10:09 i find it ... but i mean did he use it for some sample operation like drawing qwidget Apr 19 15:10:11 by default Apr 19 15:10:37 nope Apr 19 15:10:56 it's used by QGLWidget afaik Apr 19 15:12:43 i ask because i didn't reproduce it with target x86 which didn't use gl :) Apr 19 15:14:44 didn't reproduce what? Apr 19 15:14:52 QTBUGS-18720 Apr 19 15:14:54 :) Apr 19 15:15:01 yep i m still tracking it Apr 19 15:15:16 but installing maemo sdk take so long Apr 19 15:23:17 Khertan иец цйрфе шы еру игп, Apr 19 15:23:28 Khertan, what is that bug everyone talking about/ Apr 19 15:23:28 hi btw Apr 19 15:24:19 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720. Apr 19 15:24:22 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 Apr 19 15:26:54 yep i m still tracking it Apr 19 15:27:00 again, I feel it's qtextcontrol Apr 19 15:28:33 i was thinking of qtextcontrol or ... glyph painting :) Apr 19 15:29:33 well, I'd check what the define does if you couldn't reproduce it on x86 Apr 19 15:29:36 oh and one more thing Apr 19 15:29:41 x86 uses a different font Apr 19 15:29:50 (and a different font size) Apr 19 15:29:57 it uses my Ubuntu fonts here Apr 19 15:31:08 yep ... Apr 19 15:31:19 i'm compiling the armel one Apr 19 15:31:28 can it be used under scratchbox ? Apr 19 15:31:50 :%s/scratchbox/xephyr Apr 19 15:32:21 nope Apr 19 15:36:02 :( Apr 19 15:36:34 ok ... i will retry to reproduce it under x86 Apr 19 15:36:37 :) Apr 19 15:37:54 btw is digia owns Qt already? Apr 19 15:38:01 Nokia never sold Qt Apr 19 15:38:11 it's Qt licensing Apr 19 15:38:23 of course, the media likes to change titles in ways that result in BS being spread Apr 19 15:38:37 i just hoped Apr 19 15:39:01 yep ... nokia include so many crappy things in qt for their shitty qml Apr 19 15:39:59 Khertan дщд Apr 19 15:39:59 lol Apr 19 15:39:59 people do like it you know Apr 19 15:41:45 which ? user ? Apr 19 15:42:45 they will blame developpers for slow apps after Apr 19 15:44:49 ZogG, people like eye candy, they don't care if it's QML or not Apr 19 15:45:26 MohammadAG, come to my van i'll give you a candy Apr 19 15:45:37 1) Kill desktop composition Apr 19 15:45:40 2) Use QPropertyAnimation Apr 19 15:45:49 and any Qt app will look good Apr 19 15:45:55 ZogG, doesn't work on me :P Apr 19 15:46:19 tweego looks good without qml if i got it right Apr 19 15:46:22 or colombus Apr 19 15:46:36 though gpodder by thp with aml looks sweet Apr 19 15:47:47 ZogG: every qml app run slowly ... use too much memory ... Apr 19 15:48:01 except stupid example of course Apr 19 15:48:06 qnlreddit is fine i thik Apr 19 15:49:14 ZogG: don't know. Never try it Apr 19 15:49:20 but ouch the screenshot Apr 19 15:49:20 :) Apr 19 15:49:31 https://sites.google.com/site/qmlreddit/ <<< this is not that ? Apr 19 15:49:32 :) Apr 19 15:49:35 yeah he is not desinger Apr 19 15:49:45 designer Apr 19 15:51:35 ZogG: yep ... this is why qml sucks Apr 19 15:51:51 it s not for designer, not for developpers, not really for webmaster Apr 19 15:51:54 this is for noone :) Apr 19 15:52:11 you can always make one better Apr 19 15:52:20 though i love your app Apr 19 15:52:40 MohammadAG btw did you implent RDS in openplayer? Apr 19 15:52:52 of course ... can always make better ... just matter of time :) Apr 19 15:53:00 ZogG, no Apr 19 15:53:12 MohammadAG i just wonder what you need to send to dbus Apr 19 15:53:17 and how i do it with see Apr 19 15:53:19 c* Apr 19 15:53:20 MohammadAG: make -j made a great diff ... from 2h to 20min :) Apr 19 15:53:29 i hate C for one reason Apr 19 15:53:40 it's hard to goole while it's only one letter Apr 19 15:53:50 :) Apr 19 15:54:06 Khertan, yep :D Apr 19 15:54:30 and mostly i get C# or .net or c++ Apr 19 15:54:46 * ZogG xmms2> Tao - Ultraflow ["Seven" 2011] Apr 19 15:54:53 8bit music FTW Apr 19 15:55:03 ZogG: difficult for looking a c developper jobs in our french nationnal jobs agency, when specifying language for a dev ... it s require a minimum of 3 chars :) Apr 19 15:55:20 Khertan lol Apr 19 15:55:29 but i think C is the best Apr 19 15:55:39 depends on use case Apr 19 15:55:39 as you know it well you can manage other langs Apr 19 15:55:46 false Apr 19 15:55:48 especially C++ and C# Apr 19 15:55:57 c++ != c Apr 19 15:56:10 one is object not the other Apr 19 15:56:44 it s a total different way of coding Apr 19 15:56:54 yes it is Apr 19 15:57:02 but if you handle C you can make it with C++ Apr 19 15:57:10 in my opinion Apr 19 15:57:51 http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/04/motorcycles-made-from-watch-parts.html Apr 19 15:57:57 thats cool Apr 19 15:59:19 * Khertan is listening Samael - Slavocracy Apr 19 15:59:34 It took me over two weeks to get adjusted to C Apr 19 15:59:39 after learning C++ Apr 19 15:59:42 it's very different Apr 19 15:59:55 http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/04/15/new-certification-level-launched-%E2%80%93-nokia-certified-qt-specialist/ Apr 19 16:00:53 you know i hate the most with python ... all python jobs are related to website ... so few App developpment jobs in python Apr 19 16:01:12 s/you know/you know what i Apr 19 16:01:24 and less in python qt :) Apr 19 16:08:36 n900 flies to the floor for the 100th time Apr 19 16:08:39 tripping over cable Apr 19 16:12:10 gj Apr 19 16:30:10 ouch, my n900 keyboards space button cracked into 2 pieces :( Apr 19 16:30:33 both sides work, but pressing from the middle doesn't Apr 19 16:32:05 the space bar is two buttons anyway Apr 19 16:32:16 not one button, that's why the middle doesn't work Apr 19 16:32:23 just get a new keymat, changing it is easy Apr 19 16:34:47 MohammadAG: did you know where we can found some cheap hw parts of n900 Apr 19 16:35:10 i broken zoom minus button (always pressed) Apr 19 16:35:18 Damnit Apr 19 16:35:20 Portal 2 today. Apr 19 16:35:21 * GeneralAntilles dies. Apr 19 16:35:25 cheap, nope, but I do know of klc.fi Apr 19 16:35:33 GeneralAntilles, still not out here :/ Apr 19 16:35:46 MohammadAG, yes, not living in the US is a terrible thing. :P Apr 19 16:35:55 haha Apr 19 16:36:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZMSAzZ76EU <-- epic "ad" for it, sort of Apr 19 16:40:16 MohammadAG: yeah, I just have to find one. Every seller says "out of stock" Apr 19 16:40:47 Jartza, steam? :P Apr 19 16:41:00 ? Apr 19 16:41:19 purchase the downloadable version off Steam Apr 19 16:41:39 downloadable keymat? :) Apr 19 16:42:15 that's hightech :) Apr 19 16:45:10 Jartza, oh, thought you were talking about Portal 2 xD Apr 19 16:45:16 heh :D Apr 19 16:45:20 I need a scandinavian keymat Apr 19 16:45:36 klc is also out of stock Apr 19 16:47:26 Jartza, I'd google 265854 N900 Apr 19 16:49:35 MohammadAG: I did. Without success. Apr 19 17:47:04 !ping Apr 19 17:47:34 i can't see anyones msgs or it's just that quite here? Apr 19 17:48:25 your net disconnected Apr 19 17:49:03 oh i see u Apr 19 17:49:07 i'm from webchat Apr 19 17:49:13 as of proxy at work Apr 19 17:49:15 damn proxy Apr 19 17:49:16 hate it Apr 19 17:50:10 I'm talking over local LAN, you should be afraid Apr 19 17:51:03 lol Apr 19 17:51:26 i have gun you know Apr 19 17:54:24 hi, my n800 got into a reboot loop, but only when I choose to boot from SD card, flash boot works fine, any ideas why and how can I fix it? Apr 19 17:55:42 ZogG_w, which model? Apr 19 17:56:45 MohammadAG: CZ Apr 19 18:06:39 ZogG_w, I have a portable tank, beat that Apr 19 18:06:53 it fits in a pocket, just add water Apr 19 18:23:04 MohammadAG: you have a portable fission battery cell? Apr 19 18:27:23 mikki-kun: we were reading articles about water fuel cells for years. Apr 19 18:31:51 Khertan: mouser might help. Hard to find a exactly matching switch. I recommend Nokia repair Apr 19 18:33:05 Jartza: scandinavian one might be hard to find. Maybe somebody has a spare one, who got bored of the non-US version Apr 19 18:34:22 I got some sources of US and German keymats Apr 19 18:34:23 maybe Apr 19 18:34:42 I have another n900, but it's with US keymat Apr 19 18:34:57 and I need my ä and ö :) Apr 19 18:35:26 errr ä and ö sound much like german keymat Apr 19 18:36:12 germans have messed up y and z Apr 19 18:36:14 :) Apr 19 18:37:58 I hate qwertz and azerty -keyboars :) Apr 19 18:38:08 +d Apr 19 18:38:29 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html is available anyway Apr 19 18:39:18 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.html is low on stock Apr 19 18:39:28 hmmh Apr 19 18:39:47 maybe this qwertz is ok, I think the actual keys can be remapped? Apr 19 18:42:10 sure Apr 19 18:42:47 there's no hw defined way the CPU knows about the printing on the keypad Apr 19 18:43:02 yep Apr 19 18:43:13 whatever you define in settings will get used Apr 19 18:44:09 (there's an initial config from CAL partition, that defines the keymapping on first boot) Apr 19 18:45:11 gnnh. keymat 19.89 eur, postal 14.90 eur :P Apr 19 18:45:24 this one is extremely nice a part (includes flat plastic connector) Apr 19 18:45:37 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4366_Original-Nokia-N900-Hinge-Slide.html Apr 19 18:46:53 Jartza: depends on destination of shipment I guess. I don't think I paid that much for shipping Apr 19 18:47:16 my destination is finland Apr 19 18:47:24 sure Apr 19 18:47:33 thought as much Apr 19 18:48:03 maybe I'll ask my good friends at nokia first :) Apr 19 18:48:12 good plan Apr 19 18:48:13 if they have some broken n900's there :) Apr 19 18:48:23 MohammadAG: you have a portable fission battery cell? Apr 19 18:48:29 it said just add water :< Apr 19 18:49:05 .oO(??!) Apr 19 18:50:44 nothing :P Apr 19 18:51:19 ask in Fucku, they know about adding water Apr 19 18:52:22 Jartza: btw I hate qwertz too, at least on N900. For the missing up/down direct keys Apr 19 18:52:46 DocScrutinizer: not much difference to scandinavian qwerty Apr 19 18:53:11 in scandinavian keyboard y and z are in correct place and ü = å Apr 19 18:53:13 :) Apr 19 18:53:16 yeah, but the reason I got me the US keypad Apr 19 18:53:36 w00t Apr 19 18:53:43 my space n900 HAS scandinavian keyboard Apr 19 18:53:53 I did remember incorrectly Apr 19 18:53:53 :-P Apr 19 18:54:03 s/space/spare/ Apr 19 18:54:07 spare* Apr 19 18:54:31 only Freerunner been in space so far, no N900 afaik Apr 19 18:54:31 the "spare" is used for meego-testing :) Apr 19 18:55:01 it has broken earpiece and it doesn't detect keyboard slider open/close (thinks it's open all the time) Apr 19 18:56:02 DocScrutinizer: got my N900 back from repair (again) they definitely broke the microsd card reader the first time out when they were fixing the USB/charger port. Now I have a brand new main board and even spent the extra $25 to get new glass - all works fine now :) Apr 19 18:56:13 http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p14569 <-FR in space Apr 19 18:57:14 Jartza: I (wildly) guess your earpiece fell off and attached to the reed contact magnetically :-P Apr 19 18:58:09 Khertan: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P10850SCT-ND no fogging clue if it would match for volume switch Apr 19 19:00:48 mtnbkr: hm, uSD holder sits on daughter board attached to main PCB via that incredible FPC ribbon Apr 19 19:00:50 Has anyone had experience of what they do on repairing the USB ? Apr 19 19:01:03 If the pads are destroyed, do they attempt repair, or swap mobo? Apr 19 19:01:11 swap I guss Apr 19 19:01:15 guess* Apr 19 19:03:07 you could tell by changed MAC of wifi, and changed mobo ser# Apr 19 19:03:33 I suppose they could clone the IMEI Apr 19 19:03:43 they could, but won't Apr 19 19:03:47 yeah Apr 19 19:03:53 DocScrutinizer: yeah, they called me and said the tech could not get it to read anything, and I said, yeah, I know, that is why I sent it back :) But she was apologizing since she said they will have to replace the main board and I would lose ALL of my data, and have a new MAC & seria and EIMI # etc. Apr 19 19:04:28 which was fine since of course I had a full backup to restore Apr 19 19:04:29 * SpeedEvil wishes he could get broken n900 boards. Apr 19 19:05:06 you won't Apr 19 19:05:09 I know. Apr 19 19:05:17 at least not from Nokia repair Apr 19 19:07:33 I imagine that they're sent back to nokia for credit, so the leak rate will be very small Apr 19 19:12:45 usually mobo swaps are done in central repair facility I guess. Old defective mobos get destroyed there - at least they should Apr 19 19:20:45 i want a n900 with 512mb of ram Apr 19 19:21:02 As I understand it, it's possible, though fiddly Apr 19 19:21:13 would the kernel handle it nicely? Apr 19 19:21:18 You can fit a 512M over the POP Apr 19 19:21:22 I imagine so Apr 19 19:25:07 fiddly is somewhat of an understatement Apr 19 19:25:44 indeed Apr 19 19:42:29 Steve Jobs invents Maemo task switcher: http://www-bgr-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DSC_3157110419134214.jpeg Apr 19 19:47:20 finnish aeronautical engineer designs coolest airplane ever http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-kilo-person-plane.html Apr 19 19:57:34 pupnik: wow, awesome! :D Apr 19 19:59:06 mikki-kun: takes some courage to fly Apr 19 19:59:22 nah, just insanity :D Apr 19 19:59:24 ^^ Apr 19 20:37:13 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-0-tft-lcd-android-2-2-via-8650-cpu-wifi-umpc-netbook-pink-349-79mhz-2gb-3-usb-sd-lan-70759 - slightly more expensive than a BT keyboard. Apr 19 20:38:09 and slightly more performance ;) Apr 19 20:53:15 are passwords for the accounts like skype stored in cleartext somewhere? If so, then where can I retreive them? Apr 19 21:15:50 Are passwords for accounts like skype easy to retreive? Apr 19 21:16:08 I remember wep keys were stored in cleartext Apr 19 21:32:13 MohammadAG: hey buddy Apr 19 21:33:41 yo Apr 19 21:33:45 :> Apr 19 21:37:00 sup ZogG Apr 19 21:37:06 ZogG_laptop, Apr 19 21:37:19 нщ Apr 19 21:37:25 yo Apr 19 21:37:44 MohammadAG: is there any docs provided how to work with maemo cal? Apr 19 21:37:53 cal nad contacs? Apr 19 21:38:19 and* Apr 19 21:38:29 contacts* Apr 19 21:38:54 cal? Apr 19 21:40:31 iwas out Apr 19 21:40:33 lol Apr 19 21:40:42 so MohammadAG ? Apr 19 21:41:56 am i out again? Apr 19 21:42:35 ARRRRRGGGGG BAD UPDATES BAD Apr 19 21:46:07 have someone installed the Maemo SDK with scratchbox on Arch Linux ? Apr 19 21:49:45 internetishard: I published a tmo thread about howto recover wlan passwords Apr 19 21:50:02 yeah, I was trying to recover a skype password Apr 19 21:50:11 nfc about skype Apr 19 21:50:44 nfc? Apr 19 21:50:47 never touched it since I left betatester crew due to skype R&D leads are gasheads Apr 19 21:51:17 well, this isn't skype, I'm talking about the Accounts thing in maemo Apr 19 21:51:21 that does SIP, skype, etc Apr 19 21:51:25 those passwords^ Apr 19 21:51:52 there my tmo post Apr 19 21:51:53 I thought all rtcom passwords are stored as plaintex Apr 19 21:52:03 t Apr 19 21:52:03 can't remember the bug report on it Apr 19 21:52:04 no idea about skype and aother contacts Apr 19 21:52:26 bug report?!! MUHAHAHA Apr 19 21:53:16 Yeah, I figured all those (apparently "rtcom") passwords were stored as cleartext Apr 19 21:53:44 in ~/.config/rt-com/iqehxnökjxdbebz Apr 19 21:53:44 MohammadAG: Apr 19 21:53:49 something like that Apr 19 21:53:56 DocScrutinizer: hey Apr 19 21:53:59 i got camera Apr 19 21:54:11 moro,w would send u a pic Apr 19 21:54:21 yw Apr 19 21:54:28 yw? Apr 19 21:54:32 ~yw Apr 19 21:54:33 extra, extra, read all about it, yw is you're welcome Apr 19 21:54:36 tomorow Apr 19 21:54:48 tomorrow Apr 19 21:54:57 it's double m or r Apr 19 21:54:58 got it Apr 19 21:55:00 tommorow Apr 19 21:55:07 i just forget things like that lol Apr 19 21:55:39 MohammadAG: is there any api to work with contacts and calendar? Apr 19 21:55:45 i found interesting thing Apr 19 21:56:01 ZogG_laptop_: ->wiki Apr 19 21:56:06 don't see a .config/rt-com Apr 19 21:56:20 ZogG_laptop_, osso-abook Apr 19 21:56:24 there's also Qt Mobility Apr 19 21:56:25 * MohammadAG coughs Apr 19 21:56:32 what is better Apr 19 21:56:38 internetishard: grep ~ Apr 19 21:56:39 and what is better for C ? Apr 19 21:56:52 damn that movie was not bad Apr 19 21:57:09 cameron is not bad director though avatar sucked Apr 19 21:57:22 the native API is always better Apr 19 21:57:45 MohammadAG: does it has C API ? Apr 19 21:57:51 it is C Apr 19 21:58:00 native language on maemo is C Apr 19 21:58:04 knowpassword? Apr 19 21:58:25 MohammadAG: good Apr 19 21:58:38 MohammadAG: but calendar is still closed right? Apr 19 21:58:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API Apr 19 22:01:06 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/ Apr 19 22:01:09 found it Apr 19 22:01:12 having an API != the component has to be open Apr 19 22:01:15 sooo... how do I find this password? Apr 19 22:03:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Data_Management Apr 19 22:03:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Data_Management#Contacts_.28Addressbook.29 Apr 19 22:03:48 Is that for me? Apr 19 22:03:55 To find the password for rt-com stuff? Apr 19 22:04:27 that's for you: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM Apr 19 22:04:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM#osso-accounts Apr 19 22:05:02 DocScrutinizer: i more interested in calendar for now Apr 19 22:05:23 ooops Apr 19 22:05:42 yeah, got out of rails on second & 3rd Apr 19 22:05:53 Kilroo1: is cloning itself Apr 19 22:06:21 eh? Apr 19 22:09:29 anyone else find their n900 shutting down when it is supposed to reboot? Apr 19 22:12:19 How long does it take you guys to open up an sms convo with a lot of history? Apr 19 22:12:32 it takes me like 5s, longer than to reply to someone Apr 19 22:12:35 ZogG_laptop_: found this in my bookmarks: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookAggregator.html#osso-abook-aggregator-find-contacts-for-phone-number Apr 19 22:13:24 DocScrutinizer: i wanna start with calendar Apr 19 22:13:29 wanna try something out Apr 19 22:13:47 damndamndamndamn, /me takes outtime Apr 19 22:14:04 DocScrutinizer: but thanks anyway Apr 19 22:19:07 hi quick help please, what is the line to add to source.list to enable maemo devel and testing on scratchnox Apr 19 22:19:38 internetishard: ~user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg Apr 19 22:22:04 internetishard: I bet skype is different Apr 19 22:22:37 skype is in there, but no passwords are Apr 19 22:22:42 for anything, I think Apr 19 22:24:24 internetishard: what are u trying to do? Apr 19 22:51:47 internetishard: SIP passwords are in there Apr 19 22:52:17 that's how I found it (well, I knew what to search for and where :-] ) Apr 19 23:23:42 ZogG_laptop_: was just trying to recover a skype password Apr 19 23:23:50 I just did it the accepted way Apr 19 23:24:58 internetishard: there is recover on website Apr 19 23:25:08 much easier and it's there just for that cases Apr 19 23:26:50 hey ZogG_laptop_ :) Apr 19 23:27:17 Venemo: рун Apr 19 23:27:19 hey Apr 19 23:27:22 sup man Apr 19 23:27:23 yeah, that's how I did it, but I just wanted to see if I could do it without that Apr 19 23:27:28 long time no talk Apr 19 23:27:44 yeah :) Apr 19 23:27:51 what's up with your app ZogG_laptop_ :) Apr 19 23:28:02 don't know Apr 19 23:28:14 had a lot of stuff to do and now my n900 is dead =( Apr 19 23:30:28 how about u? Apr 19 23:30:30 what's new? Apr 19 23:33:16 Venemo: do u have free time? Apr 19 23:33:24 i mean not now but at all? Apr 19 23:33:33 ZogG_laptop_, yes, probably next week. Apr 19 23:33:48 Venemo: i'll PM Apr 19 23:33:49 ZogG_laptop_, I have plenty of school stuff this week, and then family stuff at the weekend Apr 19 23:34:15 ZogG_laptop_, you can always ask questions, but I can't code/look at code in depth until next week Apr 19 23:43:54 hi Apr 19 23:44:36 how copy text selection on textview? Apr 19 23:45:00 ctrl-c Apr 19 23:45:55 I use: self.textbuffer.get_text(self.textbuffer.get_selection_bounds()) Apr 19 23:46:40 ctrl-c is much cooler Apr 19 23:46:48 though your option is more sexy Apr 19 23:46:49 in linux pc works fine, but the n900 does not work: ( Apr 19 23:47:23 lopz is from jeniffier lopez? Apr 19 23:47:41 I do not want to use the keyboard, I select a word and use it for anything x Apr 19 23:48:04 ZogG_laptop_, lopz != jennifer lopez Apr 20 00:51:27 How long does it take you guys to open up an sms convo with a lot of history? Apr 20 00:55:00 I only have 7, and quite fast **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 20 02:59:58 2011