**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 25 02:59:57 2011 Apr 25 03:23:34 hi my usb port fell off, is there anyway i can start over or reflash without usb? Apr 25 03:24:26 without wiping out emmc Apr 25 03:25:05 on n900 lol sorry Apr 25 04:45:51 no Apr 25 06:11:49 hey, how do you save a playlist in kmplayer? Apr 25 06:19:48 Not sure; try tapping on the top bar Apr 25 06:19:59 it's doable, I can tell you that Apr 25 06:51:28 I'm not sure what might have gotten messed up, but sometimes I can't receive text msgs until I restart my phone Apr 25 06:51:36 and it also doesn't say they're sent Apr 25 07:08:26 My phone fell onto the floor Apr 25 07:08:30 The metal frame is bent Apr 25 07:08:34 The usb port is busted Apr 25 07:08:37 What to do? Apr 25 07:13:01 lolcat: pictures? Apr 25 07:13:27 Barly visible Apr 25 07:13:38 Think I can return it to the shop? Apr 25 07:50:31 you can probably return it, though whether or not will the repairs incur out of pocket expenses will be solely up to the shop Apr 25 07:50:34 does CSSU fix the hildon-desktop cpu usage bug? Apr 25 07:51:53 specifically what sort of bug would that be? widget bug? Apr 25 07:53:05 it's upstream, we have it fixed in the CSSU Apr 25 07:53:35 well there you go, straight from the horses' mouth :) Apr 25 07:55:01 s/horses\'/horse\'s/ Apr 25 07:59:17 ty MohammadAG - that's a major win for the community imo Apr 25 07:59:33 i manage to trigger it consistently with my game Apr 25 08:04:28 hehe disabling widgets gets me 75-125 fps on the N900 Apr 25 08:06:26 course that draws 460mA Apr 25 08:21:05 Hm, out of curiosity, has anyone /yet/ come up with a OpenGL -> GLES realtime converter? Apr 25 08:31:01 any of you guys use archlinux and usb networking with n900? Apr 25 08:32:24 * psycho_oreos also wonders who else has more than one n900 Apr 25 08:33:58 why? Apr 25 08:35:29 MohammadAG, got a question in regards to USB networking with two n900, for some reason a duplicated entry in /etc/network/interfaces but having it named as usb1 for the duplicate config doesn't seem to work. Also on the two n900, they are using different IP addresses of course Apr 25 08:37:11 the funny thing is, both interfaces on the computer are visible however you can only ssh into one of them Apr 25 08:37:37 i.e. whichever interface was first up gets to have ssh access, the other doesn't Apr 25 08:40:47 lol that quickly fell silent -_-' Apr 25 08:44:00 hmm, so you want to ssh into both devices using USB networking? Apr 25 08:44:03 * MohammadAG never tried that Apr 25 08:46:53 MohammadAG, yeah, well my intention is to be able to transfer between both these devices. First its ssh then once that works I'm going to use sshfs Apr 25 08:58:20 hah Apr 25 08:58:27 was running frogatto - smoothly Apr 25 08:58:40 while two instances of psx4m-gles were running in background Apr 25 09:00:17 frogatto alone taking 230-250 mA (120-140) Apr 25 09:05:58 well. moo. Apr 25 09:07:17 huhu Apr 25 09:27:30 "You pity the boy whose uniform identifies his servility." - Frank Chodorov Apr 25 09:33:33 pupnik: You do know that uniforms have been proven to have better effect on employees morale than payrises? =) Apr 25 09:34:18 RST38h: s/better/cheaper Apr 25 09:36:29 crap, my maemo lost all application catalogues Apr 25 09:36:42 you bity the boy whose uniform *identifies* his servility Apr 25 09:37:33 the existence of a uniform does not equal servility per-se Apr 25 10:03:58 i don't have "PC Suite" - must CSSU be connected to a PC to proceed? Apr 25 10:04:41 no Apr 25 10:04:50 you probably have a conflicting application/package Apr 25 10:05:43 meh, running apt-get upgrade Apr 25 10:06:08 appears to be upgrading fine Apr 25 10:07:30 try apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr Apr 25 10:08:19 ohh that installs new things Apr 25 10:08:46 that's adding a lot of libqt4 Apr 25 10:09:53 Qt 4.7.0 -> 4.7.2 Apr 25 10:13:21 CPU: 0.0 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop Apr 25 10:13:23 yaay!! Apr 25 10:13:25 :D :D Apr 25 10:13:38 * pupnik_ frolics Apr 25 10:19:03 hildon-keyboard wtf ?:D Apr 25 10:19:48 ssh + wifi + bq27220.sh idle draw = -6 mA :) Apr 25 10:19:52 wee Apr 25 10:20:05 oops up to 15 mow Apr 25 10:35:20 I've seen down to 3 - but that was with suspend to RAM Apr 25 10:44:40 anybody know how to make text 'reflow' in firefox? Apr 25 10:44:49 i got a page with lines off the edge of screen Apr 25 10:45:34 ahh view->style->no style did it Apr 25 10:46:03 hem no it didn Apr 25 10:46:38 I assuime the text is not wrapped in 
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Apr 25 10:46:55  http://osdl.sourceforge.net/main/documentation/rendering/SDL-events.html
Apr 25 10:47:16  
Apr 25 10:47:17  meh
Apr 25 10:47:31  'word wrap within pre' extension
Apr 25 10:47:56  thanks!
Apr 25 10:48:41  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2351/
Apr 25 11:56:09  Morning.
Apr 25 12:48:20  Hi *, I just installed the modified multiboot +  backupmenu-multiboot, now the n900 always shows the multiboot selection, but only with one option - backupmenu. How can I add the standard maemo entry?
Apr 25 12:48:44  or get it to boot up the phone in normal mode for that matter... Thx :-)
Apr 25 12:49:46  wb wazd, master of pixels
Apr 25 12:50:27  jhb i've avoided that so far
Apr 25 12:51:47  pupnik_: maybe a smart move...
Apr 25 12:52:08  there's a way out i'm sure but i don't know it
Apr 25 12:58:45  pupnik_: oh well, I see what I can do
Apr 25 12:59:09  I think 0 boots default
Apr 25 12:59:19  I try to use the ssh server from backupmenu, asks me for a password - any idea what password to use there?
Apr 25 12:59:49  Uh, your root password?
Apr 25 12:59:59  You /do/ have one.
Apr 25 13:00:28  You changed it when you installed the SSH server. Oh, and login with user 'root', of course.
Apr 25 13:00:36  anyway, I'm off.
Apr 25 13:00:48  robbiethe1st: thanks. Maybe I have the wrong one
Apr 25 13:00:53  oops, too late
Apr 25 13:01:48  MohammadAG: pressing 0 did the trick. You rock!
Apr 25 13:01:59  MohammadAG: thx a lot
Apr 25 13:02:26  you're welcome :)
Apr 25 13:05:34 * GAN900 wonders how long Lenovo usually takes to build.
Apr 25 13:07:18  MohammadAG i heard you know something about some great community media player for maemo
Apr 25 13:07:37  I wrote it :p
Apr 25 13:07:50  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156
Apr 25 13:07:54  i cant seem to find it
Apr 25 13:08:37  thank you, ill try it out :)
Apr 25 13:14:58  quick help required: how can i see how much data was transferred through the mobile network from the shell?
Apr 25 13:15:01  (n900)
Apr 25 13:16:02  http://misc.sergio.spb.ru/img/iphone_numpad.jpeg
Apr 25 13:17:12  kerio, there is a etwork stats desktop widget afaik
Apr 25 13:17:32  and it uses popen() call to something from shell to get them i think
Apr 25 13:18:00  i was asking that one :)
Apr 25 14:22:37  i managed to resolve every dependency in order to build gcc 4.4.4
Apr 25 14:22:42  finally
Apr 25 14:28:20  :)
Apr 25 14:35:20  Good afternoon, I left my phone today and I forgot that I have looked, is there any log file with some event that has cast me on the phone as long as I have not had? Thanks
Apr 25 14:49:58  pupnik_: hehe, heya :)
Apr 25 15:40:07  Good afternoon, I left my phone today and I forgot that I have looked, is there any log file with some event that has cast me on the phone as long as I have not had? Thanks
Apr 25 15:41:40  sorry, doesn't make any sense to me the 2nd time as well
Apr 25 15:43:00  DocScrutinizer: he's trying to make an iPhone related joke.
Apr 25 15:43:02  dado7: If you mean have you appeared on IRC - then no, not since you asked that question
Apr 25 15:43:11  not before, rather
Apr 25 15:43:21  sorry for my bad english
Apr 25 15:43:30  mi telephone this morning is in mi house
Apr 25 15:43:36  and in this time is returt to me
Apr 25 15:43:48  i m curiosi if my brother touch my phone o see my pphotos
Apr 25 15:43:51  Ah
Apr 25 15:43:56  or dfiferents thinks about the teelephone
Apr 25 15:44:06  Photos are on VFAT - so there are no access timestamps
Apr 25 15:44:08  i ask for the log files for the telephone with the moves of the terminal
Apr 25 15:44:32  dont have log of use ?
Apr 25 15:44:38  when you open o touch the phone ?
Apr 25 15:44:44  dmesg contains logs of recent openings and closings of the keboard lock
Apr 25 15:44:48  And some other events
Apr 25 15:44:49  yeaaa
Apr 25 15:44:59  with this i know if my brother open the phone :D
Apr 25 15:45:17  dado7: there's (in shell) the command dmesg and the command history
Apr 25 15:46:17  yes, dmesg has tk_lock events, as well as kb_slide
Apr 25 15:46:38  i see log but i font see the time in the clock
Apr 25 15:47:05  yeah that's probably seconds since boot
Apr 25 15:47:14  dmesg abd slide gpio 71 is now open
Apr 25 15:47:18  but what time is it ?
Apr 25 15:47:29  maybe this dmseg is from my from yesterday..
Apr 25 15:48:28  The trime is seconds since boot
Apr 25 15:49:26  [10501.041351] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed
Apr 25 15:49:27  [10501.463745] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open
Apr 25 15:49:29  [85687.182098] slide (GPIO 71) is now open
Apr 25 15:49:30  [85689.908599] slide (GPIO 71) is now closed
Apr 25 15:49:36  yepp i see this
Apr 25 15:49:46  kb_lock is lock slider switch
Apr 25 15:49:54  but i donw know what time... i dont know if this open and closed as me o from my brother
Apr 25 15:49:55  slide is kbd_slide
Apr 25 15:50:11  the numbers..... not is time......
Apr 25 15:50:21  in DocScrutinizers example.
Apr 25 15:50:26  look at timestamps in seconsd at start of line
Apr 25 15:50:42  subtract 10501 from 85689
Apr 25 15:50:57  To get 75000 or so
Apr 25 15:51:08  Now divide 75000 by 3600
Apr 25 15:51:13  to know I touched lockswitch like 75000 seconds ago
Apr 25 15:51:22  um...... nice strice !!
Apr 25 15:51:23  To get 20.8 hours ago
Apr 25 15:52:31  http://code.saghul.net/pydmesg-dmesg-with-human-readable-timestamps
Apr 25 15:53:36  beware, this seconds interger tends to wrap around occasionally, e.g. my device has an uptime of 31days now, not like 85689 seconds
Apr 25 15:54:28  it seems it does 99999.99999->0.000000
Apr 25 16:05:22  WTF?! from __future__ import with_statement
Apr 25 16:15:57  hehe
Apr 25 16:17:00  DocScrutinizer: http://python.about.com/od/gettingstarted/qt/py25WITH.htm
Apr 25 16:22:42  E0x: thanks :-D
Apr 25 16:30:05  DocScrutinizer: np
Apr 25 16:50:33  anyone used Qt homescreen widgets before?
Apr 25 16:59:30  http://gmane.org/dist.php "Note: This tar ball is next to impossible to set up properly. Fixing this probably won't happen any time soon."   - lmfao
Apr 25 17:02:43  >>anyone used Qt homescreen widgets before?
Apr 25 17:03:29  As far as I remember there is a connector which adds a regular Qt widget from your process to the homescreen
Apr 25 17:14:39  keks-n, yeah, but it's segfaulting and killing hildon-home
Apr 25 17:15:14  Oh wow
Apr 25 17:16:33  Hi. Sorry about this stupid question: how do I set the default ringtone for my N900 phone?  (Right now after a reflash nothing has been set so it has not been ringing.)
Apr 25 17:16:51  hi
Apr 25 17:16:58  Settings->Profiles?
Apr 25 17:17:29  Oh, it's under profiles?  But everything there was already set.  Ok, will try again.
Apr 25 17:18:16  i'd like to try that but i'm afraid of what i'll put on it
Apr 25 17:20:16  I've bricked the phone about 15 times during first three days of using it. And even after cold flash it ringed
Apr 25 17:20:28  That's not "bricking"! :P
Apr 25 17:22:22  kwtm: i think that battle may be lost
Apr 25 17:22:26  I mean I had to perform cold flash and then didn't set anything as ringtone. So I think your problem isn't with the default ringtone
Apr 25 17:23:31  Try to use volume control
Apr 25 17:23:41  keks-n: That is quite possible.  What do you suggest might be the problem?  I had custom ringtone installed, and then I flashed up to PR 1.3 (was PR 1.2).  (I also tried to flash eMMC but failed; apparently everything was preserved.)
Apr 25 17:24:12  1) Clear /opt
Apr 25 17:24:20  2) Remove your card
Apr 25 17:24:22  keks-n: When you say "volume control", do you mean the usual volume control accessible from most apps?  That has been turned up to max, of course, and I can hear sounds playing.  Is there a separate volume control for the phone rings?  I see it's set at my ring tone with about 90% volume.
Apr 25 17:24:35  3) Flash kernel and rootfs (FIASCO-image)
Apr 25 17:25:20  Backup and remove any hidden files from your /home/user directory
Apr 25 17:25:27  keks-n: Unfortunately, right now I can only test it by calling from my home phone which has a custom ringtone set, so I can only test that custom ringtone (it doesn't work --I can select a ringtone but when I phone it only vibrates).
Apr 25 17:25:40  Hm
Apr 25 17:25:52  Which profile is set?
Apr 25 17:26:10  keks-n: It sounds like you are advocating a reflash to fix this problem.  I will try to learn the source of the problem before I do that.  i might end up doing a reflash anyway since I want to upgrade to PR1.3.3.7 later on
Apr 25 17:26:43  profile set is called "General".  I used to have other profiles set, but they disappeared after I reflashed.  I had been using ... one of the add ons, Tweakr or Shortcutd?  to store other profiles.
Apr 25 17:26:52  You can remove any hidden files and directories from your home direcrory
Apr 25 17:26:52  keks-n: However, changing the profile doesn't seem to work.
Apr 25 17:27:28  keks-n: What is the rationale behind removing hidden files?  I happen to have .bashrcv and .vimrc and a number of other useful hidden files there.  Any particular hidden file you're targeting, so we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater?
Apr 25 17:28:54  As I know, most of settings are stored there
Apr 25 17:29:15  You can make backup before it
Apr 25 17:30:34  keks-n, nevermind what I said, it expects files somewhere else, not in $PATH
Apr 25 17:34:38  Where are the profiles stored?  Btw, when it comes to "profiles" I see that one can define any number of "profiles" (I'll call these "user profiles") using Tweakr (not Shortcutd as I had suggested before) and then within that "profile" you can also choose either General or Silent, and these are also called "profiles" but I will call them "sub profiles".  So could someone remind me where I select "user profiles"?  I suspect that
Apr 25 17:34:40  switching back to one of my previously defined "user profiles" may help.
Apr 25 17:37:10  BTW, I still cann't get access to extras-devel
Apr 25 17:57:05  http://www.appscout.com/2011/03/lookout_mobile_offers_plan_b_a.php
Apr 25 17:57:17  any idea of how could implement this on maemo
Apr 25 17:57:31  i mean make some app that work in this way...
Apr 25 17:57:44  i guess you can push app via ovi store
Apr 25 18:01:22  I don't think you can
Apr 25 18:01:48  However, in principle, you could convince one of the authors of a program running on your phone to push an update
Apr 25 18:07:09  It'd only work if you had some form of "connect and see if there's anything for me to do" type app already installed
Apr 25 18:07:37  Seems Android might have that functionality built-in (fun), but would be easy to replicate on Maemo
Apr 25 18:08:23  Two use cases: install apps/"send" stuff to device from PC or install "find" apps post-loss
Apr 25 18:08:45  cron -> scp script from server, run.
Apr 25 18:08:53  Indeed
Apr 25 18:09:20  But you might as well install SMScon if you're being that prepared :)
Apr 25 18:10:12  Hrm, how easy would it be to send an AppleScript command to a remote machine upon connecting to certain APs?
Apr 25 18:10:23  (and send another when switching back to GSM)
Apr 25 18:13:33  does anyone know what's the command to check the current mobile data meter?
Apr 25 18:14:57  I recommned netstory
Apr 25 18:15:14  It's also in gconf somewhere, but netstory is good
Apr 25 18:16:10  i want the "official" one
Apr 25 18:16:14  the one that's checked by the widget
Apr 25 18:16:24  lcuk said that the widget uses a popen() call
Apr 25 18:16:37  can someone check the source? i'm a bit short on data :(
Apr 25 18:24:14  nobody? :(
Apr 25 18:27:11  the netstory one pulls from the official one
Apr 25 18:28:39  as i said, i'm short on data
Apr 25 18:35:10  kwtm: user-ringtones is replacing the cached audiofiles somewhere in ~/.*
Apr 25 18:35:22  setting a new ringtone should fix this
Apr 25 18:36:34  keks-n: how did you manage to mess up your device so thoroughly you needed to COLDflash? o.O
Apr 25 18:37:53  coldflashing is a method to bootstrap a device with broken NOLO
Apr 25 18:38:21  it's really hard to break NOLO (not if you *want* to break it, of course)
Apr 25 18:41:22  kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Reset_GPRS_data_counter
Apr 25 18:42:19  kerio: read those gconf keys instead of resetting them and you're done I guess
Apr 25 18:43:52  kerio: netstat will give you traffic since last NIC-up or sth like that
Apr 25 18:45:17  I guess a dbus call to ICD2 or sth should also provide the up-to-date values
Apr 25 19:21:01  DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Apr 25 19:21:14  ~botsnack
Apr 25 19:21:16  DocScrutinizer: aw, gee
Apr 25 20:08:29  I'm unable to make wifi connection through wifi recently on my N900
Apr 25 20:09:02  I can scan for networks, but once I connect, I don't see any packet sent on the interface.
Apr 25 20:11:26  hmm.... a reboot made it go away
Apr 25 20:26:28  how well does the n900 work with headphones that have a mic and volume controls(philips actionfit shq3007 ), i know the last earbuds i got with a volumn control wouldnt work at all
Apr 25 20:34:55  no idea, i only have the nokia headset that came with them, and it doesn't have volume controls :(
Apr 25 20:38:20  Pronto|n900: multibutton headsets usually don't work. If you got dials to adjust volumes of mic/earphones then chances are they are compatible
Apr 25 20:42:51  if, DocScrutinizer, \]conventional earphones don't get recognized at all on N900
Apr 25 20:43:06  sorry for that
Apr 25 20:43:20  they don't????
Apr 25 20:43:25  then I must be special
Apr 25 20:43:29  yeah, and also incorrect
Apr 25 20:43:32  cause they work just fine when plugged in here
Apr 25 20:43:46  exactly what they're supposed to
Apr 25 20:43:53  i wanted to ask what could cause conventional earphones to not be recognized at all on n900
Apr 25 20:44:05  while nokia ones are
Apr 25 20:44:19  I use px100 Sennheiser
Apr 25 20:44:22  work just fine
Apr 25 20:44:33  a useless non-connected 3rd ring on the plug
Apr 25 20:45:05  actually the earphones are fine... no doubt about that
Apr 25 20:45:53  the n900 belongs to a friend, and it's my earphones :)
Apr 25 20:47:20  any standard 3pin 3.5mm headphones plug should work
Apr 25 20:47:49  when i test them i get static out, damn
Apr 25 20:47:51  4pin plugs depend on circuit of the additional ring, some will work, others won't
Apr 25 20:48:03 * abissom gueses something's wrong with friend's device
Apr 25 20:48:39  they're 3 pin earphones, and i'm even listening on them atm
Apr 25 20:49:28  make sure plug is seated correctly
Apr 25 20:50:11  sure DocScrutinizer , will try that
Apr 25 20:52:14  btw, #maemo was my first irc experience ;)
Apr 25 20:52:38  DocScrutinizer: Thank you.  Resetting default ringtone did the trick.  Looks like there had to be an actual change in the ringtone to trigger user ringtones to get rid of the "current ringtone" (which was actually "no ringtone").
Apr 25 20:53:13  yes, known behaviour of user-ringtones
Apr 25 20:53:47  Thanks.  Will now check out 1.3.3.7 and will probably be back soon to ask for some hand-holding in flashing.  Bbl.
Apr 25 20:53:59  barisione did a lot of safety-measures to restore the 'normal' ringtones - but obviously there are situations where you get around those
Apr 25 20:55:51  Is PR 1.3.3.7 still in beta stage, or is it stable?  In other words, for someone with PR 1.3 working fine, is it worthwhile to switch to 1.3.3.7 if it's just for the working status bar in portrait mode?
Apr 25 20:56:10  pr 1.3.3.7?
Apr 25 20:56:13  stable enough for adventurous users for daily usage
Apr 25 20:56:24  I am happy to stay with 1.3 otherwise.
Apr 25 20:56:48  DocScrutinizer: Whew.  Okay, will read up a bit to see what other features I'm getting to see if worthwhile, but it would be nice to be able to use Portrait mode.  Thanks.
Apr 25 20:56:56  no really bad issues until last recent before the last one
Apr 25 20:57:09  MohammadAG: You're one of the developers I should thank, right?
Apr 25 20:57:23  DocScrutinizer: So, there had been some issues in the second-most-recent but if I get the most recent then I'm still good?
Apr 25 20:57:29  he's the developer you should shout at, yes ;-P
Apr 25 20:58:08  the most recent has issues with Qt4.7.2 I heard. No idea how much impact that has for daily life
Apr 25 20:58:40  also most recent is swapping camera-ui by nicolai's community rewrite
Apr 25 20:58:54  might have still some flaws
Apr 25 20:59:15  I'm not happy with this aggressive bleeding edge policy
Apr 25 20:59:17  yeah... way to much screen estate used by the UI...
Apr 25 20:59:27  for the camera-ui
Apr 25 21:00:25  at least qt4.7.2 is messing up qt apps that use it, when highlighting text, afaik
Apr 25 21:01:59  so my daily phone got locked on CSSU version 20.2010.36-2maemo13 (disabled CSSU catalog)
Apr 25 21:04:51  DocScrutinizer: Hmm... any way for me to install an older release?  I see we're up to 1.3.3.7-8, so could I, say, install PR 1.3.3.7-6.5 ?  The instructions talk about clicking on an install URL via web browser, but I'm hoping to find a FIASCO image that I can flash instead.
Apr 25 21:05:21  Your 20.2010.36-2maemo13 appears to correspond to 1.3.3.7-7.  Do you find that usable?  Does it have the highlighting bug in Qt4.7?  If yes, I should go to an earlier version.
Apr 25 21:05:23  not afaik
Apr 25 21:05:46  yes, 1.3.3.7-7 is usable
Apr 25 21:06:26  no idea about -8 (recent one) been to much concerned it might annoy me
Apr 25 21:07:00  Ok.  Will keep searching.  I don't *have* to upgrade, so I'll watch for a stable version.  MohammadAG, if you're listening: I *do* appreciate your work; I'm just looking for a way to jump in at the right moment.  If I can't install an earlier version, I'll look for the right version to be current before installing "current" version.
Apr 25 21:07:02  kwtm: 20.2010.36-maemo13 is -7
Apr 25 21:07:07  and doesn't have the qt bug
Apr 25 21:07:14  it got introduced in -8
Apr 25 21:07:19  DocScrutinizer: Yes, I remember your question about highlighting.
Apr 25 21:07:43  merlin1991: Understood, but can I install -7?  Or must it be the current version?  I'm hoping for a "download this version" to install so I can pick my own version.
Apr 25 21:08:06  merlin1991: It looks very tempting, especially the rotation support and zoom in/out.
Apr 25 21:08:54  selecting version would be awesome. I guess the apt-wizards can do
Apr 25 21:09:06  you could add the repo manually, look through what the enabler does and do that but install a specific version of mp-fremantle-community-pr
Apr 25 21:11:19  Ahh... so, unlike upgrading from 1.2 to 1.3, this CSSU is actually an apt-get thing that will replace the relevant parts without reflashing.  I guess I could brush up on my dpkg-pin-fu and get the exact version that I want.  Will look for more info on the repository --you happen to have it?  I've just got the "ultra-idiot-friendly" instructions "click here and follow all prompts" thing from http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU so I
Apr 25 21:11:20  want to look for a few more details first.,
Apr 25 21:12:49  the repo is at  http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/
Apr 25 21:13:20  and each version of the cssu has the metapackage (mp-fremantle-community-pr) that pulls in all the cssu stuff
Apr 25 21:16:22  yeah, and you'd hope the metapkg pulls in that particular version, not newest one (e.g of Qt)
Apr 25 21:17:19  well with -7 he avoids that already
Apr 25 21:17:23  but as I understand the package management, it frequently purges older pkg versions
Apr 25 21:17:24  -7 doesn't depend on qt
Apr 25 21:17:43  yes, as Qt4.7.2 is new on -8
Apr 25 21:18:02  but what's with a new version of e.g hildon-desktop
Apr 25 21:18:33 * merlin1991 has a look at the metapackage
Apr 25 21:19:38  so, i never actually set up the community SSU
Apr 25 21:19:41  is it highly recommended?
Apr 25 21:19:48  not yet
Apr 25 21:20:05  still WIP?
Apr 25 21:20:08  still in 'testing' ;-P
Apr 25 21:20:53  and by the rate they import new stuff introducing new bugs, they will promote to -devel eventually
Apr 25 21:21:00  ;D
Apr 25 21:21:02  kwtm, sup
Apr 25 21:21:20  MohammadAG: Nothing much, wanted to thank you again for all the work you put into N900.
Apr 25 21:21:43  MohammadAG: I was just reading the PortraitMode page of the wiki and still shaking my head at how much of the built-in system components don't support portrait mode.
Apr 25 21:22:11  you're welcome :)
Apr 25 21:22:22  And yeah, Nokia did fuck up somewhere
Apr 25 21:22:32  i have the impression --correct me if I'm wrong-- that official Nokia software was just sort of "here you go, here's a sandbox to play with" and just depended on the free work of volunteers to make the N900 a useful device.
Apr 25 21:22:33  Portrait mode was somewhat planned
Apr 25 21:22:40  not been part of product requirements
Apr 25 21:22:46  nope
Apr 25 21:22:55  obviously it wasn't
Apr 25 21:23:01    ... and in fact this is exactly what happened except even before the N900 can come to really shine, Nokia won't be supporting Maemo any more.
Apr 25 21:23:05  DocScrutinizer, yes, but hildon-* does have code for some portrait support
Apr 25 21:23:06  i really like the default maemo :)
Apr 25 21:23:13  example; why did they code the background image rotation
Apr 25 21:23:16  DocScrutinizer: I guess ... but, boy would it have been nice to have portrait. :P
Apr 25 21:23:33  when you're in portrait mode, the background is rotated by 90 deg
Apr 25 21:23:56  hey is meego worth trying yet?
Apr 25 21:24:05  hildon-control-panel devs wanted portrait plugins, never got them
Apr 25 21:24:29  zakkkkm_: Well, that's hardly the point.  I mean, you either plan to have portrait mode or you don't; the fact that some/many/most people don't need portrait mode doesn't mean "gee, we'll implement a crummy portrait mode" since (imho) it really holds back the N900.
Apr 25 21:24:58  https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-control-panel/blobs/master/src/hcp-window.c#line843
Apr 25 21:25:00  its probably just me, but besides the phone app .. portrait mode looks awful
Apr 25 21:25:01  Right now, for example, the N900 is really geared toward people who want to use it with two hands, in landscape mode.  That self-selects a certain class of users.
Apr 25 21:25:06  especially in changing open apps
Apr 25 21:25:18  but it always has
Apr 25 21:25:29  Qt apps suck when rotating
Apr 25 21:25:34  the rest are quite fast
Apr 25 21:25:37  zakkkkm_: Exactly: it looks awful.  So when they say "we have portrait mode" it seems like just going through the motions so people can't criticze them for not having it.
Apr 25 21:26:11  and not everybody wants portrait mode. you buy a device for what it has and what it may have
Apr 25 21:26:18  Another case in point (not a complaint to MohammadAG and I don't expect the community to put the work into resolving this) the on-screen keyboard SUCKS.  Sure, you have the slide-out, but now you're forced to use it.
Apr 25 21:26:29  in no way did nokia , as far as i know.. show that it had portrait mode for its apps except phone app
Apr 25 21:26:42  it's closed source sadly
Apr 25 21:26:47  most parts that suck are closed source
Apr 25 21:26:48  maybe there's been plans for portrait mode, but realizing how much trouble it gets them and how fuggly it looks they binned it
Apr 25 21:26:50  but did they ever show it had onscreen or anything?
Apr 25 21:26:57  any images or promotional videos?
Apr 25 21:27:00  any text saying as such?
Apr 25 21:27:02  zakkkkm_: Ahh, my point exactly: suppose a person needed portrait mode, but also wants the N900.  He might say, "Oh, the N900 has portrait mode" and then get it only to find out that portrait mode is limited.
Apr 25 21:27:45  may I ask who added the uninstall part in the CSSU page?
Apr 25 21:27:49  if they're here anyway
Apr 25 21:28:01  http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Uninstall <-- they're uninstalling mcsp, which isn't part of the CSSU
Apr 25 21:28:02  MohammadAG: cant you go through history?
Apr 25 21:28:09  LOL
Apr 25 21:28:18  zakkkkm_: You're kidding, right?  The promotional video shows portrait and landscape mode, and you're saying "But we never said it had portrait mode other than the phone"?  If the onscreen keyboard works except for the Z Q X and V keys, would you say "we never promised you that those keys worked --the promotional videos only showed the other keys working"?
Apr 25 21:28:27 * MohammadAG clicks history
Apr 25 21:28:49  Tomchiverton <-- not anyone I know from here/tmo
Apr 25 21:29:06  MohammadAG: Where's the CSSU repository?  The wiki page keeps referring to it without actually giving the URL.  Would like to add it so I can browse what's in it.  If it's not already in the wiki, might also be a good idea to add it.
Apr 25 21:29:07  kwtm: a common problem when product requirement specs are flaky
Apr 25 21:29:36  btw DocScrutinizer if you're scared about old versions getting purged from the repo, use http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community-testing/ instead :D
Apr 25 21:29:37  kwtm, http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/
Apr 25 21:29:43  DocScrutinizer: I guess it's the corner cases.  But it's just such a pity when you have such a capable developer community but the company decides not to support it.  Well, I guess there's a reason behind thir actions.
Apr 25 21:29:45  MohammadAG: Thx.
Apr 25 21:29:47  I don't run the cleanup scripts on it :)
Apr 25 21:29:51  FYI, repo browsing is disabled
Apr 25 21:29:54  (I didn't ask for that)
Apr 25 21:29:55  merlin1991: \o/
Apr 25 21:30:22  there's a complete mirror of extras and -devel too
Apr 25 21:30:29  MohammadAG: What I mean is  update repository, and then   apt-get update  and then   apt-cache search  to look for what version I can install.  Will I be able to install an older version of 1.3.3.7?
Apr 25 21:30:29  merlin1991, the CSSU repository is quite primitive compared with extras-devel
Apr 25 21:30:42  I know
Apr 25 21:30:45  it doesn't cleanup, if I send the same version the package gets corrupt etc
Apr 25 21:31:00  kwtm, sure :)
Apr 25 21:31:02  merlin1991: you're AWESOME
Apr 25 21:31:04  you can actually hand pick the packages you want
Apr 25 21:31:44  apt pinning should help with that
Apr 25 21:31:47  tbh, I'm considering making HAM show * packages for upgrades, not just user/* packages
Apr 25 21:32:01  that way, we get rid of the metapackage crap that debian/ubuntu don't support from
Apr 25 21:32:09  suffer*
Apr 25 21:33:02  well, buntkuh has other things it suffers from, just enough ;-P
Apr 25 21:33:03  DocScrutinizer: that mirror is already 79GB big :D
Apr 25 21:33:40  friggin scary, but I guess I could even restore a a pr1.2 backup from there
Apr 25 21:33:42  DocScrutinizer, debian doesn't :p
Apr 25 21:34:04  MohammadAG: did apt-pinning a long time ago for my ubuntu system --probably need a refresher which I will look for on the web.  Meanwhile: is this right?: so I add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager (or a new file in the same directory) saying   "deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free" ?
Apr 25 21:34:24  I'd add it in sources.list directly
Apr 25 21:34:39  merlin1991: Whoa, almost missed your URL there.  WIll check it out.  Whose server is it on?  Yours?
Apr 25 21:34:43  the ham file is rewritten at some point using an xml file
Apr 25 21:35:03  kwtm: mine
Apr 25 21:35:08  merlin1991: Thanks!
Apr 25 21:36:17  MohammadAG: Yeah, i noticed that repositories I commented out under HAM just don't show up at all within that file.  However, sources.list is blank.  I figured if I'm editing it, I might as well add a new file, like  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/more_user_repositories   and maybe HAM won't mess around with it.
Apr 25 21:36:48  MohammadAG:  But what I mean is, the words following the repository URL should be "fremantle-1.3 free non-free"?  Or just "fremantle" and omit the "-1.3"?
Apr 25 21:37:28  oh, sec
Apr 25 21:37:44  deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free
Apr 25 21:37:57  Oh, I see, it's whatever's listed under $URL/pool
Apr 25 21:39:42  l8r o/
Apr 25 21:46:31  Oh dear.  GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5D0E7C4F2E6D6F9A   I suppose the key is somewhere on the web?
Apr 25 21:48:56  Hmm... google says it isn't; it's just downloaded when I use the Community Testing installer.  I guess I should use that installer, then; people have certainly put enough effort into setting it up.
Apr 25 21:51:59  DocScrutinizer, someone picked up kernel-power
Apr 25 21:52:12  kwtm, the error is more of a warning, the community-ssu-enabler installs it, sec
Apr 25 21:52:13  rly?
Apr 25 21:52:26  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879
Apr 25 21:52:43 * merlin1991 doesn't belive
Apr 25 21:52:55 * MohammadAG gets his AK-47
Apr 25 21:53:03  merlin1991, second thoughts?
Apr 25 21:53:11  fake
Apr 25 21:53:12  ;)
Apr 25 21:53:28  the gun? no, it fires lasers
Apr 25 21:53:35  kwtm, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst#line47
Apr 25 21:53:39 * merlin1991 grabs steyr aug, wanna have 200m duel? :D
Apr 25 21:54:07  jokes aside, how serious is the guy?
Apr 25 21:54:38  he seems to know shit about kernels :p
Apr 25 21:55:18  checked his post history etc
Apr 25 22:01:14  DocScrutinizer, I'm thinking of rewriting the battery applet in C, wanna help?
Apr 25 22:01:56  MohammadAG: Is that the status indicator for the battery?  If so, may I informally submit a request here?
Apr 25 22:02:05  MohammadAG: sure
Apr 25 22:02:44  Please make it so that the battery icon changes colour when charging, so it's obvious at a glance that it's charging, without waiting to see if that apparently "low on battery" icon is actually a "in a few seconds I'm going to change to a not-so-low on battery icon if you keep staring at me for 10 seconds" icon?
Apr 25 22:02:44  kwtm, yeah
Apr 25 22:02:50  brilliant idea, we could make it play nice with h-e-n as well
Apr 25 22:03:00  yeah
Apr 25 22:03:15  there's already a rewrite, but it's in python, sucks memory and battery life
Apr 25 22:03:17  I actually think it's a UI design flaw to have any sort of animated icon on a "status line", but I'll be happy if you just make (i dunno) the outline blue or some other obvious change.  Thanks!
Apr 25 22:03:31  lol, the battery indicator applet sucks battery life. ! :)
Apr 25 22:03:35  kwtm, a static indicator would be doable
Apr 25 22:03:43  well, python does :p
Apr 25 22:03:58  DocScrutinizer51, so there's a way to interface with it without bme?
Apr 25 22:04:05  (and with C)
Apr 25 22:04:29  MohammadAG:  That would be great, to have static.  If the static indicator also shows how much the battery is charged (rather than just charging) that would be nice, but I really want to strangle the person who thought that the "charging" indicator should look exactly like the "50% battery left" indicator.
Apr 25 22:04:31  I'm wsalking - later
Apr 25 22:04:51  hah
Apr 25 22:05:12  kwtm, a USB cable on top of the battery full indicator could be helpful
Apr 25 22:05:19  anyway, /me starts on GUI
Apr 25 22:05:28  I just wrote a battery indicator in bash:   suckbattery --howfast=all  && echo Your battery is dead
Apr 25 22:05:34  and /me hates GObject
Apr 25 22:05:45  lol
Apr 25 22:11:32  hi can someone help me format the nokia n900 please
Apr 25 22:12:44  i have pressed U and i see the USB logo and nokia logo what do i have to do next?
Apr 25 22:14:47  ~flashing
Apr 25 22:14:48  flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 25 22:16:07  i have downloaded the flasher
Apr 25 22:16:12  what next
Apr 25 22:16:26  rtfm
Apr 25 22:16:28  i have installed it on my pc
Apr 25 22:16:36  sorry i m a noob at it
Apr 25 22:17:14  then read the manual
Apr 25 22:17:33  you can't break your phone if you do something wrong
Apr 25 22:17:43  i have opened the flasher
Apr 25 22:17:50  is there a command i have to put there
Apr 25 22:17:54  read the manual
Apr 25 22:17:59  ~flashing
Apr 25 22:17:59  [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 25 22:18:00  what manual?
Apr 25 22:18:01  it's all in there
Apr 25 22:21:55  MohammadAG: so, if I install only the package "mp-fremantle-community-pr" then that will be sufficient to upgrade to 1.3.3.7?  Or is there another package I also need to install?
Apr 25 22:22:30  jacekowski i need ur help please
Apr 25 22:22:32  can u pm me
Apr 25 22:23:53  MohammadAG, Do you know if anywork has been done with that vkbd library
Apr 25 22:24:18  I'd rather use it instead of my current implementation
Apr 25 22:25:09  i thought this was a help channel
Apr 25 22:25:43  kwtm, sufficient
Apr 25 22:26:03  dotblank, what library?
Apr 25 22:26:18  ksatan73: help, not spoonfeed
Apr 25 22:26:33  I remember awhile back a group of people wanted a vertical virtual keyboard.
Apr 25 22:26:34  ksatan73: have you read that page?
Apr 25 22:26:42  you told them to look at my application
Apr 25 22:26:52  do you remember the name of the project?
Apr 25 22:26:57  ksatan73: you realise this is an IRC channel with volunteers, right?
Apr 25 22:27:04  i mean, not like paid phone support or something
Apr 25 22:27:23  yes
Apr 25 22:27:26  i understand that
Apr 25 22:27:28  MohammadAG: Thx. Am reading up on   man apt_preferences   and preparing to pin the version to 1.3.3.7-6.5.  Btw, thx for always being available and helpful with straight, to-the-point answers.  I know the temptation is always there to poke a bit of fun at the noobs, and I've never seen you do that.  Much appreciated.
Apr 25 22:27:38  i m asking a simple question and i keep on getting a link
Apr 25 22:27:52  ksatan73: have you read it?
Apr 25 22:27:54  if i was able to understand everything on it i wouldn't be here asking a question
Apr 25 22:27:57  ksatan73: all answers are there
Apr 25 22:28:00  ksatan73: well, you see, that link has your answer
Apr 25 22:28:10  ksatan73: oh, ok. why not explain which bit of that page is confusing?
Apr 25 22:28:19  i have done it once i just can't remmebr how i did it
Apr 25 22:28:26  my camera is not working now
Apr 25 22:28:39  and iw as told i need to format it
Apr 25 22:29:04  ksatan73: you want to reflash the device, right?
Apr 25 22:29:11  yes
Apr 25 22:29:13  ksatan73: which OS are you using on your PC?
Apr 25 22:29:18  windows
Apr 25 22:29:20  xp
Apr 25 22:29:39  ksatan73: have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900_2 ?
Apr 25 22:29:53  if so, at which point did you have a problem?
Apr 25 22:30:10  Ah I think it was portrtait keyboard
Apr 25 22:35:17  BCMM: at reading it probably
Apr 25 22:49:49  BCMM Mohammadag is helping me
Apr 25 22:49:50  thanks
Apr 25 22:58:51  Hmm.... my /etc/apt/preferences  pinning settings don't seem to be working.  Still experimenting ... :P
Apr 25 23:01:35  kwtm, last part in the first post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599
Apr 25 23:02:15 * MohammadAG hates having to read docs
Apr 25 23:03:48  Thank you, MohammadAG.  I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref   I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things.
Apr 25 23:03:48  kwtm: sure thing
Apr 25 23:04:06  infobot: What?  I wasn't talking to you.  Go back to being a bot.
Apr 25 23:05:32  WHAT?
Apr 25 23:05:44  thank you
Apr 25 23:05:53  Thank you
Apr 25 23:06:02  WTF?
Apr 25 23:06:19  kwtm, tbh, I never got priority, 1001 seems to always work
Apr 25 23:06:28  Thank you, DocScrutinizer.
Apr 25 23:06:37  meh
Apr 25 23:07:00  kwtm, say that last line again :p
Apr 25 23:07:07  the one that triggered infobot
Apr 25 23:07:26  #maemo wants to know about the dark side of infobot :D
Apr 25 23:07:31  MohammadAG: Right.  The    man apt_preferences doc in Ubuntu seems to work, although it says "Priority:" and even the Ubuntu wiki says "Pin-Priority:".  I already know that 1001 is what I want (for 500-1000, then it's "upgrade unless it's in the main distro" or something.)  Okay, here, I'm going to stimulate infobot again.
Apr 25 23:07:36  Thank you, MohammadAG.  I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref   I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things.
Apr 25 23:07:36  no problem, kwtm
Apr 25 23:07:51  THere you go.  Did I say the hypnotic trigger by accident or something?
Apr 25 23:08:06  Thank you, MohammadAG.  I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref   I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things.
Apr 25 23:08:06  sure thing, MohammadAG
Apr 25 23:08:12  LMFAO
Apr 25 23:08:16  Thank you, MohammadAG. I'm just testing infobot
Apr 25 23:08:23  that's not it :D
Apr 25 23:08:27  What is it?  I named some pathname or something?
Apr 25 23:08:31  it's the whole thing
Apr 25 23:08:43  Thank you, MohammadAG.  I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref
Apr 25 23:08:44  kwtm: pas de quoi
Apr 25 23:08:52  kwtm, no, you triggered infobot somehow
Apr 25 23:08:53  Thank you, MohammadAG.  I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority",
Apr 25 23:09:00   and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref
Apr 25 23:09:05  ah
Apr 25 23:09:06  apt
Apr 25 23:09:09  apt
Apr 25 23:09:13  thank you apt
Apr 25 23:09:13  merlin1991: de rien
Apr 25 23:09:14  :D
Apr 25 23:09:14  thank you apt
Apr 25 23:09:14  MohammadAG: sure thing
Apr 25 23:09:17  there we go :D
Apr 25 23:09:31  what, anything containing "thank you" and "apt"?
Apr 25 23:09:35  thank you something something apt
Apr 25 23:09:35  bitte, Gh0sty
Apr 25 23:09:43  thank you some epically long sentence containing weird words, apt
Apr 25 23:09:43  MohammadAG: no problem
Apr 25 23:09:51  ?? Where did that come from?  Interesting.
Apr 25 23:09:58  thank not you apt, you know you're not meant
Apr 25 23:09:58  merlin1991: bitte
Apr 25 23:10:00  :D
Apr 25 23:10:03  apt == infobot
Apr 25 23:10:04  kwtm, infobot's name is apt
Apr 25 23:10:05  the bot is weird! :)
Apr 25 23:10:08  ohh!!!!
Apr 25 23:10:18  apt, nuke world
Apr 25 23:10:21  You should name it "the" instead.  Then it'll NEVER get triggered! :P
Apr 25 23:10:48 * merlin1991 wonders if you can tell to stfu
Apr 25 23:10:50  thank you infobot
Apr 25 23:10:54  I wonder how to set alignment in applets
Apr 25 23:10:56  ;-P
Apr 25 23:11:08  merlin1991, I think so
Apr 25 23:11:20  infobot, shut up
Apr 25 23:11:21  as you wish, master mohammadag
Apr 25 23:11:44  what if it commits suicide now?
Apr 25 23:11:47  http://samy.pl/androidmap/
Apr 25 23:11:54  router-lookup to geolocation
Apr 25 23:12:06  infobot: I'm your dark lord
Apr 25 23:12:07  MohammadAG: then we would thank it. :)
Apr 25 23:12:11  didn't work :P
Apr 25 23:13:53  Ok, if anyone cares:  N900's apt system ignores /etc/apt/preferences.d/*  so we have to put things in /etc/apt/preferences
Apr 25 23:14:12  I think I'll post it in the wiki or forum just so this doesn't get lost.
Apr 25 23:16:46  teach it to infobot :P
Apr 25 23:22:28  LOL.  I just tried to apt-get install something, and out of ubuntu habit I put "sudo " even though I was logged in as root on my N900.  It said: "root is not in the sudoers file --this incident will be reported!"
Apr 25 23:22:52  *Naughty* root, what do you think you're doing, trying to execute a privileged command!
Apr 25 23:22:59  yeah, I notice that too :P
Apr 25 23:23:11  just run "root" as root
Apr 25 23:24:25  yeah, and I have to deal with those billions of reports ;-P
Apr 25 23:25:50  I can't figure out how to align shit in gtk
Apr 25 23:25:57  anyway
Apr 25 23:26:02  DocScrutinizer, how do we get battery life? bme? hal?
Apr 25 23:26:17  for now? hal/dbus
Apr 25 23:27:04  there's a pretty decent signal on dbus, for changed bat capacity %
Apr 25 23:28:04  even telling about new capacity%
Apr 25 23:28:21  so all you need to do is listen for this signal
Apr 25 23:28:25  I've never quite figured out exactly what it takes for my N900 to turn back on after turning it off.  The first time I press the power button it almost never turns on.  Does it always ignore the first time or is there some lock-out time to prevent unintentional turn-on?  Hmm....
Apr 25 23:28:47  MohammadAG: Thought you were a Qt guy and Maemo now has Qt.   Why run in GTK?  Because the status indicator is GTK?
Apr 25 23:28:59  press power button until white light full on, then *wait*
Apr 25 23:29:02  because applets in qt load slow
Apr 25 23:29:22  DocScrutinizer: he says after turning off
Apr 25 23:29:23  DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I know, but the first time I always hold it down for, like, forever and it doesn't respond.  The second time it works right away.
Apr 25 23:29:26  I have that too
Apr 25 23:29:32  I hold it an nothing happens
Apr 25 23:29:40  Yeah
Apr 25 23:29:44  merlin1991: I think it has a mood sensor.  The more of a hurry I am in, the less likely it turns on.
Apr 25 23:29:45  screen off seems to be != realy off
Apr 25 23:29:50  device takes like 30s to really shut off
Apr 25 23:30:20  DocScrutinizer: So, effectively, a time-out then.  Ok.
Apr 25 23:30:23  kwtm, applets are in Gtk
Apr 25 23:30:23  merlin1991, I'm pretty I haven't seen any status area applets in Qt
Apr 25 23:30:51  MohammadAG: "I'm pretty", pics or it didn't happen ;)
Apr 25 23:31:09  hehehe
Apr 25 23:31:23  I thought you're my father
Apr 25 23:31:32  o_O
Apr 25 23:31:45  how come?
Apr 25 23:31:55  MohammadAG, not you
Apr 25 23:32:01  ah :D
Apr 25 23:32:01  see his avatar
Apr 25 23:32:04  makes more sense :D
Apr 25 23:32:24  doesn't he have that killzone pic everywhere?
Apr 25 23:32:25  pretty sure
Apr 25 23:32:30  fu :P
Apr 25 23:32:48  merlin1991, you know kz?
Apr 25 23:32:54  I thought you hated consoles :p
Apr 25 23:33:14  that doesn't prevent me from knowing stuff about my enemy, or? :D
Apr 25 23:33:25  also, why the f does the battery applet have 3 hours remaining in it
Apr 25 23:33:32  string the .so file
Apr 25 23:33:44  merlin1991, so you're a spy?
Apr 25 23:33:49  its funny
Apr 25 23:34:18  I'd go for non-console gamer, but spy can be right too ;)
Apr 25 23:34:31  also holy crap we're way off topic here :D
Apr 25 23:34:47  so? :P
Apr 25 23:35:22  yeah, actually...
Apr 25 23:35:55  got another access list entry, out of thin air today. And I even replied "thank you", nfc why
Apr 25 23:37:44  merlin1991: Non-console gamer?  You mean, like Zork, or text-mode boggle?
Apr 25 23:38:24  I mean like w:et, tc:e, and atm swkotor
Apr 25 23:39:44  merlin1991, get portal 2 nao
Apr 25 23:39:51  I have it
Apr 25 23:39:58  portal too :)
Apr 25 23:40:06  you got it?
Apr 25 23:40:07  cool, then we can coop when I get it :p
Apr 25 23:40:11  I still have to try the coop :D
Apr 25 23:40:28  nah, couldn't find it yet, but I finished story mode
Apr 25 23:40:46 * MohammadAG couldn't wait for it, so he admits getting it in wrong ways until it arrives
Apr 25 23:40:48  merlin1991: young whippersnapper.  Get off my lawn!  Back to text mode portal.  /me types in "fire gun to sw and jump"
Apr 25 23:40:51  the humor in it is simply awesome :D
Apr 25 23:41:08  pota...
Apr 25 23:41:12  nevermind, spoilers :p
Apr 25 23:41:38  kwtm: kings quest 2?
Apr 25 23:41:41  merlin1991, I didn't expect the ending
Apr 25 23:42:18  merlin1991: I'm still trying to solve the original zork.  Kings quest 2 has graphics --too distracting.  (Yes, graphics are about 320x240)
Apr 25 23:42:56  well that's about the oldest game I have :D
Apr 25 23:43:48  My first game was Adventure, and we didn't have a personal computer yet.  It was played on one of those printing terminals that you hook up by acoustic coupler modem to my dad's mainframe at work.
Apr 25 23:44:56  I love that "Still Alive" song, though.  It was hilarious.
Apr 25 23:45:06  Still Alive pwns the new one
Apr 25 23:45:13  "That's what I'm counting on" I think
Apr 25 23:45:39  nah, "Want you gone"
Apr 25 23:46:39  Do you *have* to get a second player to play Portal 2?
Apr 25 23:46:44  no
Apr 25 23:46:48  it has a sp campaign too
Apr 25 23:46:52  ah.
Apr 25 23:46:53  but I did beat it in 5 hrs
Apr 25 23:46:59  it's 2 seperate campaigns
Apr 25 23:48:09  merlin1991, did you know coop's cross platform?
Apr 25 23:48:16  nope
Apr 25 23:48:29  PS3 <=> PC
Apr 25 23:48:36  The PS3 can login with Steam :P
Apr 25 23:48:41  awesome :)
Apr 25 23:48:55  if you buy the PS3 version you get a free PC copy
Apr 25 23:49:11  so you know which version I'm buying :p
Apr 25 23:49:12  In 1.3.3.7, does "force all apps to autorotate" just mean that Shift-Ctrl-R will work even if the app says it doesn't like to auto-rotate, or does it turn on auto-rotate all the time?
Apr 25 23:49:25  MohammadAG: Steam works on PS3?  I didn't know that.
Apr 25 23:49:33  kwtm, ctrl+shift+r is applied to all windows
Apr 25 23:49:42  kwtm, Valve made it part of Portal 2
Apr 25 23:50:20  kwtm, http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/ps3-portal-2-to-come-with-free-pcmac-version-cross-platform-play.ars
Apr 25 23:50:31  MohammadAG: Wonderful.  That's exactly what I want.  
Apr 25 23:50:54  MohammadAG: THat's great.  I'm just waiting for the Ubuntu port of Portal now. :)
Apr 25 23:51:12  Actually, who am I kidding?  I can't even make it past the first level of tetris.
Apr 25 23:51:24  X-Fade: could you set /cs access #maemo infobot +vV   please? I'm missing +f so can't do it
Apr 25 23:51:26 * kwtm types "shift piece of left.  Now! Now!"
Apr 25 23:51:31  s/of/to/
Apr 25 23:51:32  kwtm meant: Actually, who am I kidding?  I can't even make it past the first level to tetris.
Apr 25 23:51:38  I'd install Windows for Portal
Apr 25 23:52:04  DocScrutinizer, did you see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 btw?
Apr 25 23:52:29  X-Fade: actually  /cs access #maemo infobot VOP or sth
Apr 25 23:53:04  kwtm: portal != tetris, portal works with trial and error while tetris requires insane skill :)
Apr 25 23:54:29  YESSS!!!!  Portrait mode!! Finally!!!!!!  Thank you thank you thank you MohammadAG
Apr 25 23:54:39  thank thp
Apr 25 23:54:41  and everyone else too, I mean.  Anyone else here work on 1.3.3.7?  DocScrutinizer?
Apr 25 23:54:45  oh, he's not on #maemo anymore
Apr 25 23:54:47  thank you thp
Apr 25 23:54:53  ~seen thp
Apr 25 23:54:57  kwtm, contributors in Settings -> About Community SSU
Apr 25 23:54:59  thp is currently on #meego, last said: 'w00t_: good - it's a planned outage :)'.
Apr 25 23:55:01  !seen thp
Apr 25 23:56:18  MohammadAG: have YOU seen this thread? ;-D what's with maintainership takeover now, for PK?
Apr 25 23:57:03  ~seen t-tan
Apr 25 23:57:05  t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 318d 4h 15m 55s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.
Apr 25 23:57:07  DocScrutinizer, pali seems to have taken over it, but he thought he needed to wait for his maintainer request to upload the new packages
Apr 25 23:57:12  hopefully he'll see my last post
Apr 25 23:57:21  DocScrutinizer, titan is dead, in tmo's terms anyway
Apr 25 23:57:34  that's what she said
Apr 25 23:57:47  I... didn't get that one
Apr 25 23:57:50  ~botsnack
Apr 25 23:57:50  DocScrutinizer: aw, gee
Apr 25 23:58:16  ~attack MohammadAG
Apr 25 23:58:16 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG
Apr 25 23:58:27  infobot is female?
Apr 25 23:58:27 * infobot confuses all the nearby males
Apr 25 23:59:19  vim in portrait mode ftw! :) lol
Apr 25 23:59:22  ofcourse all bots are female
Apr 25 23:59:32  computers are too
Apr 26 00:00:01  GLaDOS <3
Apr 26 00:00:38  http://wbenton.tripod.com/humor/Jokeindex602.html
Apr 26 00:00:38  MohammadAG: agreed
Apr 26 00:00:53  but no cake at the end of portal 2  :-(
Apr 26 00:01:00  *disappointed*
Apr 26 00:01:29  that's to compensate with razorsharp binary logic the lack of understanding of the usual female logic. So the average male mind keeps flexible and optimistic ;-D
Apr 26 00:01:46  Gh0sty, yes, but animal king!
Apr 26 00:02:45  heh ... a network course containing an ip address: ‎10.7.28.277
Apr 26 00:02:53  where did we go wrong :/
Apr 26 00:03:33  Gh0sty: It's the 16-bit IP address. :)
Apr 26 00:03:43  yeah sure
Apr 26 00:03:51  It's for the very advanced.
Apr 26 00:03:55  hmm good point actually
Apr 26 00:03:59  looking into ipv6
Apr 26 00:04:06  wonder how well n900 will cope :)
Apr 26 00:04:29  but first gotta get native ipv6 from my provider
Apr 26 00:04:35  the promised Q2 of this year
Apr 26 00:04:48  well they have 2 months left :P
Apr 26 00:04:57  hope they fix it in Q2 :)
Apr 26 00:05:46  merlin1991, when was the Portal 1 ending changed?
Apr 26 00:05:52  I'm quite unhappy with infobot almost seems the only female character left on this chan
Apr 26 00:05:54  never
Apr 26 00:06:51  ~seen rvdkathy
Apr 26 00:06:53  DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'rvdkathy'
Apr 26 00:06:57  errr
Apr 26 00:08:01  ~seen tealbird
Apr 26 00:08:01  tealbird <~poisonivy@70-36-184-147.dsl.static.sonic.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 126d 14h 19m 43s ago, saying: 'The irony being I was prepping to set up nightly backups when this happened'.
Apr 26 00:08:21  Doc, it's one of the classic rules of the internet: "there are no women on the internetz"
Apr 26 00:08:26  lol :D
Apr 26 00:08:33  yeah
Apr 26 00:08:49  nice punch line there :)
Apr 26 00:09:26  oh btw
Apr 26 00:09:34  when trying to install backupmenu
Apr 26 00:09:49  it comes saying like I will destroy my phone since it uses something something
Apr 26 00:09:52  is it safe?
Apr 26 00:10:03  yyes
Apr 26 00:10:18  or will it explode and leave the rest of this hemisphere in a nuclear winter?
Apr 26 00:10:24  that's a bogus warning about I2Ctools, no?
Apr 26 00:10:33  yes something like that
Apr 26 00:10:38  nevermind
Apr 26 00:10:45  not sure how I2C could destroy mankind
Apr 26 00:11:16  only if your BT in N900 controls the US nuke arsenal
Apr 26 00:11:38 * Gh0sty considers
Apr 26 00:11:39  help
Apr 26 00:11:47  who knows, maybe the big red button is a bluetooth device
Apr 26 00:12:00  ~asking
Apr 26 00:12:00  if you have a question, don't ask "does anybody know about foo", don't ask if you can ask it... just ask it.. if somebody knows, they'll answer :) Just don't repeat your question
Apr 26 00:12:13  always wondered what that "do not connect to this" device would be :p
Apr 26 00:12:14  do we have a ~help too?
Apr 26 00:12:17  ~question
Apr 26 00:12:17  question is probably If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Apr 26 00:12:26  ~+help
Apr 26 00:12:26  I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"
Apr 26 00:12:26  37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, babelfish, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat
Apr 26 00:12:27  39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection, rename
Apr 26 00:12:27  31 topics: reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf
Apr 26 00:13:07  ~wtf
Apr 26 00:13:12  where can I find the wiki
Apr 26 00:13:19  hmmm
Apr 26 00:13:25  merlin1991: fail
Apr 26 00:13:27  wiki.maemo.org?
Apr 26 00:13:28  ~wtf wtf
Apr 26 00:13:30  WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck
Apr 26 00:13:47  merlin1991, I don't think you get it
Apr 26 00:13:53  ~where can I find the wiki
Apr 26 00:14:08  that'd be ~wcitf
Apr 26 00:14:09  :D
Apr 26 00:14:14  lol
Apr 26 00:14:19  ~wiki
Apr 26 00:14:22  merlin1991: No, wciftw
Apr 26 00:14:24  ouch
Apr 26 00:14:29  whatever :D
Apr 26 00:14:35  ~wciftw
Apr 26 00:14:40  someone gotta tell apt about the wiki
Apr 26 00:14:41  hmm
Apr 26 00:14:44  ~wiki irc
Apr 26 00:14:49  At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irc (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Redirect|IRC}} {{Selfref|For IRC channels dedicated to Wikipedia, see }} 'Internet Relay Chat' ('IRC') is a form of real-time Internet text messaging (chat) or synchronous conferencing.{{cite IETF | rfc = 1459 | sectionname = Introduction | section = 1 | page = 4 | idanchor = ietf }} It is mainly designed for group communication in discussion forums, called "channels",{{cite IETF | rfc = ...
Apr 26 00:15:03  ~wiki n900
Apr 26 00:15:07  At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N900 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance | title = Nokia N900 | image = | manufacturer = Nokia | type = Mobile Internet device, handheld computer and smartphone | media = microSD/microSDHC card{{cite press release|title=Maemo 5 injects speed and power into mobile computing|url=http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594|date=27 August 2009|publisher=Nokia ...
Apr 26 00:15:50  ~literal wiki
Apr 26 00:15:51  "wiki" is "uma teia de informações gerada +- quase "automaticamente", conforme as pessoas escrevem, usando uma sintaxe simples pra escrever os textos; veja a sua história em , e a wikipédia em "
Apr 26 00:16:01  umm
Apr 26 00:16:35  ~wtf root
Apr 26 00:16:36  Gee...  I don't know what root means...
Apr 26 00:16:39  :D
Apr 26 00:16:46  ~root
Apr 26 00:16:47  methinks root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.
Apr 26 00:17:14  infobot: what is root
Apr 26 00:17:15  it has been said that root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account.
Apr 26 00:17:50  ~ugt
Apr 26 00:17:51  ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Apr 26 00:18:06  mhm, g'night
Apr 26 00:18:10  huh
Apr 26 00:18:18  never knew about ugt
Apr 26 00:18:27  what's
Apr 26 00:18:34  s/what's/what/
Apr 26 00:18:34  merlin1991 meant: what
Apr 26 00:18:40  ~foobar
Apr 26 00:18:40  $$%$%
Apr 26 00:19:23   never
Apr 26 00:19:25  just read about it
Apr 26 00:19:44  they patched the ending so they can announce Portal 2
Apr 26 00:20:08  its like rewriting history books so a war is justified
Apr 26 00:20:13  bit scary
Apr 26 00:21:21  ok not really
Apr 26 00:22:21  bit scary? I'd say the usual approach
Apr 26 00:24:02  http://i51.tinypic.com/2u7t8xz.jpg
Apr 26 00:24:10  how the f do I align that to the left
Apr 26 00:24:27      gtk_label_set_justify (GTK_LABEL (plugin->priv->battery_label), GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT);
Apr 26 00:24:28      gtk_misc_set_alignment (GTK_MISC (plugin->priv->battery_label), 0, 0.5);
Apr 26 00:24:52  tried those
Apr 26 00:51:09  MohammadAG: FSCK, make it a button anyway
Apr 26 00:51:20  we'll need that, for cute things to come
Apr 26 00:52:37  don't waste a position in a menu for a mere silly display
Apr 26 00:52:39  DocScrutinizer, cute things?
Apr 26 00:53:04  sure, if only it starts Conly or battery-eye or similar sh*t
Apr 26 00:53:17  well, button it is
Apr 26 00:53:20  but I have better plans for it
Apr 26 00:53:24  you saved me a shitload of stuff
Apr 26 00:53:45  (HildonButton has a HildonValue or whatever it's called, that can handle "value" text)
Apr 26 00:54:49  in short: the bluet text in buttons
Apr 26 00:54:49  so I don't need to fit two labels to show "Charging"
Apr 26 00:55:26  MohammadAG, pm
Apr 26 01:00:43  evening
Apr 26 01:01:01  any n810 users about?
Apr 26 01:02:43  anyone about?
Apr 26 01:02:53  yes for the second part :p
Apr 26 01:04:02  yes for the 2nd part too
Apr 26 01:04:27  yes for the second part 3
Apr 26 01:04:38  weed37 ftw
Apr 26 01:04:44  :D
Apr 26 01:05:09    battery.charge_level.current = 2  (0x2)  (int)
Apr 26 01:05:27  doesn't that mean I'm below the "Recharge battery" part?
Apr 26 01:05:34  I have been away from maemo for a year or so... and ... it sorta looks like it died for old devices.
Apr 26 01:05:37  I thought it shuts down at 5
Apr 26 01:05:50  ah nvm, battery.reporting.current = 206
Apr 26 01:09:56  DocScrutinizer, http://i54.tinypic.com/nbdymg.jpg
Apr 26 01:12:07  im running a 2008OS, and attempting to download from  a 2008 repository...
Apr 26 01:12:21  but the dependancies are all maemo5?
Apr 26 01:12:40  MohammadAG: IroN900:~# lshal |grep batter
Apr 26 01:12:55  DocScrutinizer, I know, already saw those :p
Apr 26 01:13:12    battery.charge_level.design = 8  (0x8)  (int)
Apr 26 01:13:13    battery.charge_level.last_full = 8  (0x8)  (int)
Apr 26 01:13:52  what's charge_level?
Apr 26 01:14:19    battery.charge_level.unit = 'bars'  (string)
Apr 26 01:14:37  8 bars?
Apr 26 01:14:50  but there's also percentage battery.charge_level.percentage = 16
Apr 26 01:14:51  yeah, good for a decent booze eve
Apr 26 01:15:19  I checked, it's battery.reporting.current / battery.reporting.design * 100
Apr 26 01:15:43  I wonder what   battery.remaining_time = 7200  (0x1c20)  (int) is though
Apr 26 01:17:05  nfc, same here
Apr 26 01:17:24  7200?
Apr 26 01:17:27  yep
Apr 26 01:17:47  so if we assume that's seconds, it = 120minutes = 2 hours
Apr 26 01:17:58  I doubt my 16% can give me 2 hours
Apr 26 01:18:06    battery.charge_level.percentage = 56  (0x38)  (int)
Apr 26 01:18:41  some of bme's lies
Apr 26 01:19:05  I guess that's why the applet has a static 3 hours remaining
Apr 26 01:19:11  (besides someone failing at math there)
Apr 26 01:28:45  MohammadAG: maths fails are the base of awesome "features", also night
Apr 26 01:29:33  night merlin1991 :)
Apr 26 01:30:01  the applet updates values when you tap it, and then displays the old values
Apr 26 01:30:43  (N810)
Apr 26 01:33:18  Time remaining was vaguely correct, if you allowed sufficient time to elapse between harassing the battery icon (so that it has sensible estimate of consumption), and with fresh battery
Apr 26 01:34:04  fresh as in, my second N810 battery is down to <600mA usable capacity at 350mA load
Apr 26 01:37:35  ShadowJK: is any of the regular registers of bq27200 writable now, or not?
Apr 26 01:45:42  ShadowJK: >> WRTNAC is used to transfer data from the AR registers to NAC. Other registers are updated as appropriate. This command is useful during the pack manufacture and test to initialize the gauge to match the estimated battery capacity.
Apr 26 01:47:03  you'd think this ought get done to adjust the chip to a proper 1380mA
Apr 26 01:47:23  (or 2200mAh in case of mugen)
Apr 26 01:48:02  I use that myself when switching batteries
Apr 26 01:48:31  hey, why isn't that a parameter in bq27200.sh then ? :-D
Apr 26 01:48:31  But as everything else, it gets reset to eeprom values in case of powerloss
Apr 26 01:48:58  that's the unpublished writear.sh and ar2nac.sh ;-)
Apr 26 01:49:10  hehehe
Apr 26 01:50:12  iirc the effect/result of doing it isn't quite as sensible/sane as the datasheet says..
Apr 26 01:51:05  ummpf
Apr 26 01:52:24  iirc you still need 4 learning cycles to go from 2000-something to 1300-something, and even more for mugen -> bl-5j.. But what it does help with is avoiding learning cycle being disqualified for being too far off
Apr 26 01:53:00  can I use a % in printf()?
Apr 26 01:53:07  g_snprintf (percentage_text, sizeof (percentage_text), "Percentage %d\%", percentage);
Apr 26 01:53:09  err, don't see the need of 4 learning cycles
Apr 26 01:53:36  MohammadAG: % afaik
Apr 26 01:53:41  err
Apr 26 01:53:44  %%
Apr 26 01:54:04  but don't quote me on that
Apr 26 01:54:08  oh, thanks
Apr 26 01:54:14  nah that was it, ty
Apr 26 01:56:36  ShadowJK: what you need however is a rather tricky sequence with mode register and control register to actually write that value from AR to NAC
Apr 26 01:59:50  DocScrutinizer, http://i55.tinypic.com/20tjptu.jpg
Apr 26 02:00:05  ShadowJK: >> DONE is used to write NAC equal to LMD. Useful if the host uses a charge termination method that does not allow the monitor to detect the taper current. The host system could use this command when the charging is complete to force update of internal registers to a full battery condition.
Apr 26 02:01:54  iirc just the ar to nac transfer also sets done/vdq
Apr 26 02:02:57  according to datasheet DONE never gets set by chip
Apr 26 02:05:07  I2Cset 1 0xD0; I2Cset 0 0xA9
Apr 26 02:06:04  is " Nokia N900 Smartphone Performance Optimization Tune-up Utilities" any good?
Apr 26 02:07:18  *cough* never heard
Apr 26 02:07:30  sounds like windows registry optimizer
Apr 26 02:07:46  heh
Apr 26 02:07:52  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67710
Apr 26 02:08:13  well, done is a command to set vdq, but vdq is also set by ar to nac transfer
Apr 26 02:08:24  doesnt show what its doing
Apr 26 02:08:29  vdq?
Apr 26 02:08:49  valid discharge conditions.. thing
Apr 26 02:09:20  is it normal that battery'eye says 1273mah is full charge.. while the battery says 1320?
Apr 26 02:09:22  no, according to datasheet DONE is for setting NAC to LMD
Apr 26 02:09:59  if !vdq then no learning
Apr 26 02:10:28  if you reach 6% during discharging, meter stops at 6. If your battery lasts much longer still, at some point VDQ is unset and meter starts running down again towards 0, and no learning takes place
Apr 26 02:11:03  hmm
Apr 26 02:11:39  LMD for sure can't be correct without vdq
Apr 26 02:12:14  but DONE writes LMD to NAC, no matter what
Apr 26 02:13:27  LEarning only happens as it hits 6%
Apr 26 02:13:28  sure
Apr 26 02:13:44  who's talking about learning?
Apr 26 02:13:52  You're supposed to calibrate the battery voltage end of discharge value so that your battery capacity is 6% at that point
Apr 26 02:14:25  It assumes that it's linear below that to the lower threshold IIRC
Apr 26 02:14:28  transfering LMD to NAC doesn't have much use
Apr 26 02:14:28  the other direction would be cool
Apr 26 02:14:29  But it's been a while
Apr 26 02:16:32  i know why you shouldnt overclock . .but has anyone bricked their n900 by overclocking?
Apr 26 02:17:26  yes
Apr 26 02:18:41  i assume LV without overclocking, would cause the same problem?
Apr 26 02:18:51  just trying to think of tweaks :)
Apr 26 02:19:38  LV as in core voltage SmartReflex setting lower than recommended?
Apr 26 02:20:04  hey can i enable smartreflex?
Apr 26 02:20:12  should i*?
Apr 26 02:20:53  won't really help to make OC safer, won't save much battery charge either, and will cause instabilities, but otherwise it's completely safe
Apr 26 02:21:00  SpeedEvil, in the case of swapping from learned bl-5j to mugen, it counts down to 6% when mugen reaches about 40%
Apr 26 02:21:01  (LV that is)
Apr 26 02:21:29  DocScrutinizer: was thinking LV, without overclocking. .. just for battery purposes
Apr 26 02:21:53  and no, as long as Nokia doesn't use SR you shouldn't use it either, as it is allegedly causing instabilities and maybe even hazard for the CPU
Apr 26 02:21:55  have to figure out how to get new stylus heh, lost mine.
Apr 26 02:22:30  maemo sadly getting boring.
Apr 26 02:22:31  ebay!
Apr 26 02:23:08  SpeedEvil: i know, takes long though, and moving soon.. might come when im not here so thinking it semi bad idea
Apr 26 02:23:12  not that it costs much though
Apr 26 02:23:52  Also - you can whittle it out of a small stick.
Apr 26 02:23:55  I've used that.
Apr 26 02:24:18  might grab one of those full housing sets + stylus fro mthe US for like $15
Apr 26 02:24:55  The 'dummy n900's are completely useless apart from the stylus
Apr 26 02:25:03  everything else is custom, and useless.
Apr 26 02:25:08  ?
Apr 26 02:25:23  status-area-applet-battery.c:104: error: invalid storage class for function 'battery_status_plugin_get_values'
Apr 26 02:25:24  wtf
Apr 26 02:25:45  There are dummy n900s. They can be cheaper than the plastics sets
Apr 26 02:25:48  they are not the same
Apr 26 02:25:54  http://cgi.ebay.ca/Full-New-Black-faceplate-housing-cover-Nokia-N900-/270562873715?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3efecdd173 i was thinking like this
Apr 26 02:25:56  try http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ when they got their crap fixed, or http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php
Apr 26 02:26:50  2 stylus - $8? :p
Apr 26 02:27:18  well, mine are way more expensive, but made of silver
Apr 26 02:27:30  silver stylus?
Apr 26 02:27:32  real silver?
Apr 26 02:27:40  sure 999.9
Apr 26 02:27:52  with diamonds
Apr 26 02:28:11  :)
Apr 26 02:29:14  you bet you'll never lose that one ;-P
Apr 26 02:31:10  DocScrutinizer: :)
Apr 26 02:31:21  i dont know how i lost mine :( i always use it and put it back
Apr 26 02:31:46  and it sucks cause im so limited.. cant use easydebian or anything
Apr 26 02:32:36  not so bad, just use it for a phone mainly. have ipad for big stuff.
Apr 26 02:33:36  Does anyone know where the layout information for Maemo 5 desktop shortcuts is stored?  In other words, where can I find the X-Y coordinates at which the shortcut icons will appear?
Apr 26 02:35:23  somewhere in gconf
Apr 26 02:35:32  can't remember it off the top of my head
Apr 26 02:36:15  MohammadAG, Thanks - I'll snoop around in there.
Apr 26 02:36:44  Ken-Young, nevermind, /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets
Apr 26 02:36:57  gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets
Apr 26 02:37:13  MohammadAG, Great!   Thanks a bunch.
Apr 26 02:40:05  yw
Apr 26 02:42:02  grr
Apr 26 02:42:05  I can't get it to update
Apr 26 02:43:20      libhal_ctx_set_device_property_modified (plugin->priv->ctx, battery_status_plugin_hal_property_modified_cb);
Apr 26 02:43:20      libhal_device_add_property_watch (plugin->priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, NULL);
Apr 26 02:43:23  it should work fine
Apr 26 02:44:16  hal is dead, it just doesn't know about it
Apr 26 02:44:25  anyone else notice more battery drain since the last ssu update
Apr 26 02:45:35  have to admit I don't know
Apr 26 02:51:03  nah
Apr 26 02:51:09        mv   RSOC CSOC mA   NAC  CACD CACT TTF   TTE   TEMP
Apr 26 02:51:10  04:49 4143 100  100  -48  1261 1261 1261 65535 1555  29  NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0
Apr 26 02:51:12  04:50 4153 100  100  -8   1261 1261 1261 65535 8480  29  NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0
Apr 26 02:51:13  04:50 4153 100  100  -9   1261 1261 1261 65535 7904  28  NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0
Apr 26 02:51:56  -8, -9mA - pretty decent for standby via WLAN, with active GSM phone
Apr 26 02:52:35  DocScrutinizer: is that with screen off ?
Apr 26 02:52:43  sure, lol
Apr 26 02:52:54  i get lower than that, and im on 3g?
Apr 26 02:53:01  get like 6-7 on 3g
Apr 26 02:53:16  no WLAN?
Apr 26 02:53:19  no
Apr 26 02:53:21  celluar data
Apr 26 02:53:28  meh, no
Apr 26 02:53:40  wifi takes more than celluar?
Apr 26 02:53:44  no ACTUAL data
Apr 26 02:53:47  meh, I'll try to get it working tomorrow
Apr 26 02:53:50  bbl in 4 hours
Apr 26 02:53:56  cya MohammadAG
Apr 26 02:53:58  zakkkkm_: marginally
Apr 26 02:54:15  zakkkkm_: if cellular is in a good area, and not active.
Apr 26 02:54:24  Stationary
Apr 26 02:54:40  NOT ACTIVE
Apr 26 02:54:40  *reminds self never to go in wifi*
Apr 26 02:54:41  yes
Apr 26 02:54:49  no data, just logged in
Apr 26 02:55:17  start a ping 8.8.8.8 and current goes thru the roof
Apr 26 02:55:46  have problem myself with using data .. creates crazy high mah
Apr 26 02:55:59  simple surfing , low brightness is like 350-400mah
Apr 26 02:56:01  while my figures are on a ssh remote terminal, via WLAN
Apr 26 02:56:21  zakkkkm_: normal
Apr 26 02:56:29  i know.
Apr 26 02:56:39  its my only complaint of battery
Apr 26 02:56:57  use 2(.5)G
Apr 26 02:56:58  dont do anything else on my phone.. and 6-7mah standby is good enough for me
Apr 26 02:57:04  cant.. only 3g network
Apr 26 02:57:10  :-S
Apr 26 02:57:18  we in canada are high tech that way
Apr 26 02:57:34  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_Mobile
Apr 26 02:58:08  if i were to use 2g , it would go in roaming
Apr 26 02:58:16  you got correct RS on your bq27200.sh?
Apr 26 02:58:23  zakkkkm_: yeah - 3G is painful
Apr 26 02:59:04  xd13: so the answer is: no known issues with PR1.3
Apr 26 02:59:08  pay $40 a month.. for unlimited data (truly unlimited.. did 38gb one month.. ), unlimited canada and US calling and unlimited global SMS
Apr 26 02:59:15  and battery endurance
Apr 26 02:59:17  only problem is battery life of 3g
Apr 26 02:59:37  RSOC?
Apr 26 02:59:40  says 100 ?
Apr 26 02:59:48  RS in script
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