**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 26 02:59:57 2011
Apr 26 03:00:21 <zakkkkm_> cant find RS
Apr 26 03:00:26 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Apr 26 03:00:29 <SpeedEvil> zakkkkm_: That's a good price.
Apr 26 03:00:56 <zakkkkm_> SpeedEvil: http://www.blogcdn.com/mobile.engadget.com/media/2010/12/wind-40-plan.jpg
Apr 26 03:01:22 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# grep RS= bin/bq27200.sh
Apr 26 03:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> RS=${RS:-22}
Apr 26 03:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> echo "LOOPMODE=$LOOPMODE RS=$RS"
Apr 26 03:02:25 <DocScrutinizer> if you got 30 there, you need to multiply your current values by 1.5
Apr 26 03:03:05 <zakkkkm_> cant grep it
Apr 26 03:03:27 <DocScrutinizer> wonder why
Apr 26 03:05:37 <zakkkkm_> ./bq27200.sh | grep RS  .. CSOC: 99% RSOC: 99%
Apr 26 03:05:40 <zakkkkm_> theres no RS=
Apr 26 03:05:51 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Apr 26 03:06:11 <DocScrutinizer> did you see a pipe symbol in my line quoted above?
Apr 26 03:06:43 <zakkkkm_> i got a bq27000.sh not found from yours
Apr 26 03:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> but ok:
Apr 26 03:06:54 <zakkkkm_> .
Apr 26 03:06:54 <DocScrutinizer> cat ./bq27200.sh | grep RS
Apr 26 03:07:17 <zakkkkm_> oh right sorry.
Apr 26 03:07:21 <zakkkkm_> wanted contents, not output
Apr 26 03:07:29 <zakkkkm_> RS=20
Apr 26 03:07:35 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Apr 26 03:07:47 <zakkkkm_> sorry, majorly tired.
Apr 26 03:07:53 <DocScrutinizer> np
Apr 26 03:09:37 <zakkkkm_> geting -10 with conversations running .. and a ./bq2700.sh 10
Apr 26 03:09:43 <zakkkkm_> 10mah*
Apr 26 03:18:24 <zakkkkm_> with a ./bq2700.sh 60 .. get 5-6mah
Apr 26 03:34:06 <ShadowJK> that's very low :
Apr 26 03:34:07 <ShadowJK> :)
Apr 26 03:36:19 <zakkkkm_> ShadowJK: yeh, 3g too .. with IM accounts on in celluar data
Apr 26 03:46:08 <ShadowJK> impossible :)
Apr 26 04:16:30 <pupnik> greets
Apr 26 04:17:16 <keks-n> sup
Apr 26 04:18:08 <pupnik> muchas
Apr 26 04:18:17 <pupnik> i watch the sdl-opengl demos
Apr 26 04:54:31 <pupnik> louei  louei
Apr 26 04:54:34 <pupnik> we gatta go
Apr 26 04:54:37 <pupnik> yea yea yea yea
Apr 26 04:54:50 <pupnik> yea yea
Apr 26 08:10:52 * abissom is playing with RDA
Apr 26 08:14:05 <jaska> richard dean anderson?
Apr 26 08:14:17 <abissom> lol
Apr 26 08:14:29 <abissom> ~rda
Apr 26 08:15:00 <abissom> infobot doesn't know
Apr 26 08:15:00 <infobot> doesn't know is probably not at all
Apr 26 08:16:28 <abissom> remote device access
Apr 26 08:42:21 <rhkfin_> Does anyone know any other options to sync google calendar and Maemo/N900 except the integrated exchange-thing that works only once and then dies and doesn't sync ever any more..
Apr 26 08:48:10 <piggz> rhkfin_: yes
Apr 26 08:48:26 <piggz> rhkfin_: i use sync evolution on a daily schedule
Apr 26 08:48:32 <piggz> seems to work
Apr 26 08:48:44 <rhkfin_> sync evolution, will check..
Apr 26 08:49:56 <rhkfin_>  piggz so that syncs directly with Google, over the air?
Apr 26 08:50:27 <mece> piggz, what do you sync with?
Apr 26 08:51:29 <mece> yay! mBarcode fixed!
Apr 26 08:51:57 <rhkfin_> mece: what do you use mBarcode for? installed & seems to work but haven't figured what to use it for..
Apr 26 08:53:06 <piggz> rhkfin_: yes
Apr 26 08:53:12 <piggz> mece: google
Apr 26 08:54:04 <rhkfin_> Will try
Apr 26 08:55:21 <rhkfin_> piggz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync/Usage_of_syncevolution#Syncevolution-Frontend says 'Google - NOTE: ONLY CONTACTS CAN BE SYNC'd
Apr 26 08:55:43 <piggz> rhkfin_: oh, hangon...
Apr 26 08:56:06 <piggz> rhkfin_: my bad,.....erminig
Apr 26 08:56:12 <rhkfin_> ah, right....
Apr 26 08:56:58 <mece> rhkfin_, paying bills
Apr 26 08:57:22 <rhkfin_> mece: interesting!! I've been wondering why bar code scanners are so expensive..
Apr 26 08:57:32 <piggz> rhkfin_: erminig syncs fine, but can only sync daily, not hourly etc..
Apr 26 08:57:54 <rhkfin_> piggz: any idea where's the limitation from?
Apr 26 09:01:35 <mece> rhkfin_, well it didn't work all that well with the old one because the barcodes on bills are so damn long, the resolution was too low. So I had to take a picture and scan the picture. We discussed it with lardman and he said he'd try to come up with some solution
Apr 26 09:01:59 <rhkfin_> great
Apr 26 09:06:01 <piggz> rhkfin_: not sure, thats what the gui provides
Apr 26 09:06:31 <rhkfin_> ok
Apr 26 09:16:17 <rhkfin_> piggz: "Erminig's UI allows the specification of a daily sync at a specified time. For more fine grained control, the command erminig -a can be used with a scheduler such as Alarmed"
Apr 26 09:16:44 <piggz> rhkfin_: ah, cool
Apr 26 09:25:16 <porcelain> hi
Apr 26 09:52:48 <MohammadAG> anyone worked with hal before?
Apr 26 09:53:48 <robbiethe1st> Sorry, MohammadAG, I can't let you do that.
Apr 26 09:54:45 <MohammadAG> you're a bit late, I'm already done :p
Apr 26 09:55:00 <MohammadAG> except the property changed signal callback isn't getting through
Apr 26 09:59:30 <lolcat> MohammadAG: You fixed hal?
Apr 26 10:14:14 <MohammadAG> lolcat, is it broken?
Apr 26 10:14:37 <lolcat> MohammadAG: HAL is AWFULL
Apr 26 10:14:38 <lolcat> it hangs
Apr 26 10:14:43 <lolcat> it doesn't show programs
Apr 26 10:14:50 <lolcat> It works about 1/4 of the times
Apr 26 10:16:26 <MohammadAG> lolcat, well that's not my concern :p
Apr 26 10:16:48 <lolcat> MohammadAG: Doh
Apr 26 10:16:55 <lolcat> What are you coding then?
Apr 26 10:16:59 <MohammadAG> I'm rewriting the battery applet http://i55.tinypic.com/20tjptu.jpg
Apr 26 10:17:28 <lolcat> MohammadAG: How can it know how many mAh my battery has?
Apr 26 10:17:35 <MohammadAG> bme
Apr 26 10:17:47 <MohammadAG> lshal | grep battery
Apr 26 10:17:53 <lolcat> So I just stick in a random battery and it knows? Oo
Apr 26 10:18:36 <SpeedEvil> It can't
Apr 26 10:18:36 <Svendsen> ls
Apr 26 10:18:48 <SpeedEvil> the battery capacity fromlshal is a lie
Apr 26 10:19:01 <MohammadAG> I thought bme gets confused with fake batteries
Apr 26 10:19:02 <lolcat> My phone won't even charge
Apr 26 10:19:15 <ShadowJK> it gets confused with all batteries
Apr 26 10:19:24 <SpeedEvil> It's gotten fromafixedresistor thatismeasuredbythen900 inthe battery
Apr 26 10:19:38 <SpeedEvil> There is no smart battery readout in the battery at all.
Apr 26 10:19:55 <SpeedEvil> The only way to tell the capacity of the battery wouild be impeddence spectroscdopy
Apr 26 10:20:00 <SpeedEvil> spectroscopy
Apr 26 10:20:05 <SpeedEvil> Or discharging it
Apr 26 10:20:32 <MohammadAG> anyway, I'm not sure why battery_status_plugin_hal_property_modified_cb isn't being called
Apr 26 10:20:38 <MohammadAG> it's what's basically left, besides sound
Apr 26 10:21:31 <lolcat> The battery applet uses sound?
Apr 26 10:21:34 <robbiethe1st> Hm... might it not be possible to calculate the capacity(or at least internal resistance) from the voltage drop based on load? That is, over a short period of time, monitor the voltage differences as compared to the load in mA.
Apr 26 10:22:04 <MohammadAG> yes
Apr 26 10:22:11 <MohammadAG> it triggers the Battery low thing
Apr 26 10:22:13 <robbiethe1st> Knowing the original capacity - what the resistor said - you should be able to calculate the current capacityt
Apr 26 10:22:23 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: That is impedence spectroscopy
Apr 26 10:22:28 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: Sort-of
Apr 26 10:22:41 <robbiethe1st> Hm, ok
Apr 26 10:22:55 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: That sort-of-works - but naieve implementations confuse battery age and capacity
Apr 26 10:23:19 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: are you iusing the battery monitor chip - or believeing BME?
Apr 26 10:23:32 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer told me to use hal/dbus
Apr 26 10:23:49 <SpeedEvil> Fair enough, for a 0th cut.
Apr 26 10:23:56 <SpeedEvil> Also - anyone can replace.
Apr 26 10:24:06 <robbiethe1st> Also, it would be nice to have it set things to 100% when the battery finishes charging; I mean... it's 100% of the /current/ capacity, more or less
Apr 26 10:24:36 <JHVH-1> my game uses 370mA :(
Apr 26 10:24:51 <MohammadAG> which library plays sound?
Apr 26 10:25:02 <MohammadAG> actually which lib has init_sound, play_sound
Apr 26 10:25:14 * DocScrutinizer <with a low voice> you called my name?
Apr 26 10:25:39 <MohammadAG> yes :p
Apr 26 10:25:50 <lolcat> I think I will get a refund for my N900. Should I wait for the N950 or?
Apr 26 10:26:11 <MohammadAG> what N950?
Apr 26 10:26:19 <lolcat> N9?
Apr 26 10:26:25 <MohammadAG> what N9?
Apr 26 10:26:35 <keks-n> There are rumours about a model with Maemo 6 or MeeGo
Apr 26 10:26:35 <lolcat> The next meego/harmattan phone?
Apr 26 10:26:46 <keks-n> They call it "N950"
Apr 26 10:27:09 <MohammadAG> what next generation phone? :P
Apr 26 10:27:23 <stonda> what harmattan?
Apr 26 10:27:36 * lolcat runs towards webos
Apr 26 10:27:57 <keks-n> http://www.serbagadget.com/news/nokia-n950-calon-smartphone-meego-pengganti-n900/?lang=en
Apr 26 10:27:59 <lolcat> Not really
Apr 26 10:28:07 <lolcat> I like the N900.
Apr 26 10:28:08 <keks-n> Blah-blah-blah. I don't believe them
Apr 26 10:28:34 <lolcat> A better battery + dual core + 1 gb ram would be nice
Apr 26 10:28:41 <SpeedEvil> The official nokia position is that tehre will be one meego device this year.
Apr 26 10:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> toaster
Apr 26 10:28:55 <SpeedEvil> And then it will be relegated to a research project.
Apr 26 10:29:11 <SpeedEvil> The currentt best guess isthat this will be a phone.
Apr 26 10:29:16 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: then there will be one harmattan and one meego?!
Apr 26 10:29:23 <SpeedEvil> It could be a t-shirt too of course.
Apr 26 10:29:28 <ShadowJK> lolcat, dude it's Nokia, it'll have half the ram required to run a web browser, or less, like all Nokias to date ;p
Apr 26 10:29:34 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: meego is a wierd name.
Apr 26 10:29:38 <stonda> no, a refrigerator
Apr 26 10:29:46 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't mean the same UI and software under it.
Apr 26 10:29:55 <ShadowJK> actually I think Elop said "MeeGo related" product
Apr 26 10:29:56 <SpeedEvil> harmattan = meego inthis case AIUI
Apr 26 10:29:59 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: harmattan != meego
Apr 26 10:30:04 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: indeed
Apr 26 10:30:19 <lolcat> ShadowJK: MeeGo related xD A poster or soemthing
Apr 26 10:30:25 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: At one point inthe talk he did actually confim it was a phone.
Apr 26 10:30:31 <SpeedEvil> Well - to my eyes.
Apr 26 10:30:43 <MohammadAG> Harmattan = MeeGo + some BS
Apr 26 10:30:48 <lolcat> Why doesn't anyone make good phones?
Apr 26 10:30:52 <SpeedEvil> Or someone from nokia during the same announcement.
Apr 26 10:30:54 <chem|st> MohammadAG: ehrm nope
Apr 26 10:31:02 <MohammadAG> yes
Apr 26 10:31:16 <chem|st> MohammadAG: I thought harmattan is maemo + some meego BS
Apr 26 10:31:20 <DocScrutinizer> no, but timeless confirmed they didn't change their main development aim
Apr 26 10:31:23 <MohammadAG> it's MeeGo with a custom UI and closed source crap
Apr 26 10:31:29 <ShadowJK> Atleast originally Harmattan was going to be Maemo + MeeGo compat layer..
Apr 26 10:31:42 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Apr 26 10:31:43 <SpeedEvil> My hope is that WP7 bombs, and they launch a wider variety of handets with meego.
Apr 26 10:31:51 <SpeedEvil> But...
Apr 26 10:31:57 <chem|st> MohammadAG: but it's still .deb based, would be wierd to use meego build in .deb
Apr 26 10:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> Qt4.7.2-borked-final
Apr 26 10:32:46 <DocScrutinizer> it'll be a maemo with meego UX and RPM
Apr 26 10:32:56 <DocScrutinizer> and 48963 bugs
Apr 26 10:33:37 <MohammadAG> Qt 4.7.2 is fine
Apr 26 10:33:47 <ShadowJK> Except MeeGo UX is kinda useless, nobody would actually use that... so what's left if you replace the base with Maemo, and replace the interface and apps with Nokia stuff? All you have left is the MeeGo name :o
Apr 26 10:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> no wait. It will get cancelled in August
Apr 26 10:33:53 <MohammadAG> building it on x86 works fine
Apr 26 10:33:54 <MohammadAG> armel has issues
Apr 26 10:34:42 <lolcat> MeeGo has a bad UI?
Apr 26 10:34:51 <MohammadAG> Haha
Apr 26 10:35:20 <MohammadAG> bad is an understatement
Apr 26 10:35:32 <MohammadAG> sure, it looks good, but it lacks way too much
Apr 26 10:35:40 <lolcat> Bah
Apr 26 10:35:46 <mece> hm I wonder if nok is going to close the Salo factory...
Apr 26 10:35:50 <MohammadAG> I have to admit though, the UX libs are epic
Apr 26 10:35:53 <lolcat> I love the maemo UI
Apr 26 10:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> those suckers! instead of opening up the last few bits of maemo, passing it to community, and providing a BSP with all their future smartphones, they repelled all devels from maemo to use meego, and now they give meego a first class funeral
Apr 26 10:36:00 <MohammadAG> (MTF)
Apr 26 10:37:34 <ShadowJK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCmCcK_OKw :)
Apr 26 10:37:45 <lolcat> Why won't they open it up if they don't want to use it?
Apr 26 10:40:50 <keks-n> Hm
Apr 26 10:40:59 <keks-n> fakeroot debian/rules clean
Apr 26 10:40:59 <keks-n> dh clean
Apr 26 10:40:59 <keks-n> Unknown option: w
Apr 26 10:41:15 <keks-n> wtf
Apr 26 10:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> so now they pay a few poor souls to roll out a hybrid meego-harmattan edition of a maturity *way* worse than PR1.0 on N900, then say "that's it folks! now we've proven all the FOSS is a delusion. Take it and have fun" - what of course a few morons will do to create a 7th alternative smartphone OS antivendor port that never will fly
Apr 26 10:42:54 <lolcat> What is wrong with N900 maemo?
Apr 26 10:43:09 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder how many billions Samsung paid them to act like this
Apr 26 10:43:14 <lolcat> Sure it has it kinks, but I would't trade it for anything else I have tried...
Apr 26 10:43:38 <keks-n> >> What is wrong with N900 maemo?
Apr 26 10:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> nuttin
Apr 26 10:43:52 <keks-n> It's STILL a fork of Debian Sarge
Apr 26 10:44:16 <lolcat> Would it be a lot of work to swap to Lenny?
Apr 26 10:44:24 <keks-n> Yep
Apr 26 10:44:38 <lolcat> And still, isn't Sarge stable and nice?
Apr 26 10:44:45 <keks-n> Try to "port" something from Debian experimental repository
Apr 26 10:44:57 <keks-n> Or from squeeze at least
Apr 26 10:45:10 <lolcat> Stable debian then?
Apr 26 10:45:13 <keks-n> And you will realize, "what's wrong"
Apr 26 10:45:35 <keks-n> Old debhelper, old build tools...
Apr 26 10:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> that's not a problem of kernel, that's a problem of the closed blobs that won't work on a stock .37
Apr 26 10:46:35 <keks-n> Yep
Apr 26 10:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> basically it's 'easy' to get newest kernel to run on N900
Apr 26 10:47:10 <keks-n> BTW debian squeeze can run on maemo kernel
Apr 26 10:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> but you also want to use it as a PHONE
Apr 26 10:47:23 <keks-n> Yep
Apr 26 10:47:27 <mece> http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/04/nokia_to_announce_job_cuts_on_wednesday_2542481.html
Apr 26 10:47:32 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: But to upgrade the system you need to update all packages
Apr 26 10:47:32 <SpeedEvil> With powersaving
Apr 26 10:47:56 <keks-n> It's possible to bring old closed binaries to the new infrastructure
Apr 26 10:48:12 <keks-n> But it can break a lot of third-party software
Apr 26 10:48:13 <mece> FTFA: "Nokia has reserved the nearly 12,000-seat Turkuhalli for the event" <- now that is some serious job cutting!
Apr 26 10:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> with lots of backports
Apr 26 10:48:38 <keks-n> Backporting is painful, you know
Apr 26 10:48:48 <SpeedEvil> mece: They also bought 49Kg of HCN
Apr 26 10:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> a PITA
Apr 26 10:49:21 <lolcat> HCN?
Apr 26 10:49:33 <DocScrutinizer> esp since our kernel devels seem to always take pride in incompatible new APIs
Apr 26 10:49:43 <keks-n> I think it would be easier to make own debian packaging instead of backporting them from upstream
Apr 26 10:50:11 <keks-n> In some cases
Apr 26 10:50:37 <jaska> yeah, i was suggesting it was an ausrottung in turku
Apr 26 10:50:40 <mece> SpeedEvil, HCN?
Apr 26 10:50:50 <jaska> hydrogen cyanide
Apr 26 10:50:53 <lolcat> Is the android phone-stuff open-source?
Apr 26 10:50:54 <mece> ah
Apr 26 10:51:09 <keks-n> lolcat: nope
Apr 26 10:51:23 <lolcat> WebOS phone-stuff?
Apr 26 10:51:25 <keks-n> some proprietary binaries too
Apr 26 10:51:32 <lolcat> Any open-source implementations of phone-stuff?
Apr 26 10:51:36 <mece> lolcat, WebOS is closed source
Apr 26 10:51:41 <mece> lolcat, MeeGo
Apr 26 10:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> just yesterday I discussed the ALSA fsckup in new kernels on N900, several controls vanished, new ones added, you can't use a statefile of .28-maemo on a plain sane .37 kernel
Apr 26 10:52:42 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: You work for Nokia?
Apr 26 10:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> --> no sound on calls despite the SHR guys managed to talk to modem now
Apr 26 10:53:15 <ruskie> DocScrutinizer, also on it's own is brain broken
Apr 26 10:53:20 <ruskie> erm alsa even
Apr 26 10:54:06 <DocScrutinizer> alsa has an incredibly clumsy concept, but it works
Apr 26 10:54:14 <DocScrutinizer> pukeaudio doesn't
Apr 26 10:54:28 <keks-n> Latest versions seems to work
Apr 26 10:54:47 <keks-n> But I have no intention of having it even on my laptop
Apr 26 10:55:09 <ruskie> DocScrutinizer, oss just works ;)
Apr 26 10:55:19 <keks-n> lol
Apr 26 10:55:31 <ruskie> though frankly it seems that all audio systems break something on each update
Apr 26 10:55:53 * ruskie has been using oss4 on all his systems since they went gpl
Apr 26 10:56:38 <ruskie> othen than maemo5...
Apr 26 10:57:18 <lolcat> I wish I didn't have to part with my N900
Apr 26 10:57:25 <lolcat> But I will earn a bit on it
Apr 26 10:57:28 <ruskie> why do you need to?
Apr 26 10:57:32 <robbiethe1st> ruskie: seeing as I can't find much information about it, do you know if there's any OSS4 support for hardware MIDI synth?
Apr 26 10:57:45 <ruskie> no clue... never used it...
Apr 26 10:57:59 <lolcat> ruskie: THe charging port is broken again... So it is the 3rd repair
Apr 26 10:58:14 <ruskie> :(
Apr 26 10:58:43 <ruskie> I guess I'm lucky in that regard *knock on wood*
Apr 26 10:58:48 <robbiethe1st> Same
Apr 26 10:59:03 * keks-n have used a file to make the cable leave the port easy
Apr 26 10:59:07 <lolcat> And I want a refund because the shop bullshits me and let me borrow a HTC Magick when I sent it in.
Apr 26 10:59:55 <keks-n> You can still get in at eBay
Apr 26 11:00:16 <keks-n> About $350 with shipment
Apr 26 11:00:24 <lolcat> I know a shop that can get me an unused one with 5 year 'warranty' for about haf I bougth mine for
Apr 26 11:00:55 <robbiethe1st> Make sure to use BackupMenu then. :P
Apr 26 11:01:09 <lolcat> I need a good backup
Apr 26 11:01:17 <lolcat> Now I have finaly fixed my contacts
Apr 26 11:01:29 <keks-n> MeeGo resque kernel + sd card + dd
Apr 26 11:01:46 <keks-n> best backup way ever
Apr 26 11:01:57 <MohammadAG> dding what?
Apr 26 11:02:10 <MohammadAG> don't dd the mtds
Apr 26 11:02:30 <keks-n> Ehm. I've dd'ed mtdXro
Apr 26 11:02:32 <ruskie> why?
Apr 26 11:02:56 * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer 
Apr 26 11:03:02 <keks-n> They seem to be safe for read-only access
Apr 26 11:03:10 <MohammadAG> there are tools to dump/write to MTD blocks
Apr 26 11:03:16 <MohammadAG> dding them can break things
Apr 26 11:03:41 <MohammadAG> (I had to erase my MTD blocks once, after using backupmenu to restore an image)
Apr 26 11:03:56 <keks-n> Ok, you can use tar czf
Apr 26 11:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> YOU SHALL Not dd raw Nan.... *cough*
Apr 26 11:04:50 <keks-n> And mtdutils to create a flashable rootfs image
Apr 26 11:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> now that'd be awesome
Apr 26 11:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> happy birthday Chernobyl
Apr 26 11:09:24 <keks-n> Did you hear about Wormhood star?
Apr 26 11:09:25 <DocScrutinizer> ballpark numbers: (500NPP worldwide * 25Years/Class7 event)^-1 *~100.000 liquidators died = 10 fatalities / NPP-year
Apr 26 11:09:55 <keks-n> The star form the Book of Revelation
Apr 26 11:10:24 <keks-n> Chernobyl means wormhood in ukrainian
Apr 26 11:13:41 <keks-n> BTW I still cann't get access to extras-devel. Requested it last thursday -_-
Apr 26 11:21:36 <cehteh> http://bikerscafeblog.com/2010/07/11/biologic-reecharge-cool/
Apr 26 11:21:42 <cehteh> for the bikers, looks cool
Apr 26 11:22:14 <keks-n> wow
Apr 26 11:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> meh, the robocop charger
Apr 26 11:25:42 <mece> keks-n, the whah? Wormhood who?
Apr 26 11:26:21 <keks-n> sorry, "wormwood"
Apr 26 11:26:24 <_berto_> you mean wormwood
Apr 26 11:26:28 <keks-n> yep
Apr 26 11:27:16 <mece> keks-n, ok so what about it?
Apr 26 11:28:25 <keks-n> >> "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." (Revelation 8:10, 11 - KJB).
Apr 26 11:28:56 <SpeedEvil> That actually refers to the Schwepps factory.
Apr 26 11:29:00 <mece> ok.. yes, and what about it?
Apr 26 11:29:03 <trx> lol
Apr 26 11:29:12 <keks-n> >> Chernobyl means wormhood in ukrainian
Apr 26 11:29:18 <keks-n> -_-
Apr 26 11:29:20 <mece> revelations is hilariously trippy btw :D
Apr 26 11:29:22 <keks-n> *wormwood
Apr 26 11:29:24 <RST38h> Are we having an apocalypse universary today?
Apr 26 11:29:30 <mece> keks-n, hah built to fail :D
Apr 26 11:29:37 * SpeedEvil looks around for Norns.
Apr 26 11:29:52 <RST38h> anniversary sorry
Apr 26 11:30:43 <keks-n> Something like that
Apr 26 11:35:14 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: 25y Chernobyl
Apr 26 11:37:32 <DocScrutinizer> sorry for OT
Apr 26 11:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> was baffled by my own balpark evaluation of one fatality per month on every nuklear power plant
Apr 26 11:40:19 <mece> DocScrutinizer, is that a lot or a little?
Apr 26 11:41:00 <ShadowJK> the same figure for coal power is something like 20-100 I bet
Apr 26 11:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> which isn't a problem in Russia and China, in EU would reduce the ROI balance of those powerplants by a few percent on usual recompensations about <10^6EUR/fatality, but in USA it might break the power companies' back
Apr 26 11:43:03 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: 20..100 fatalities per month and coal poer plant? c'mon
Apr 26 11:43:42 <ShadowJK> oh I thought you meant global fatalities per month
Apr 26 11:43:52 <ShadowJK> not per month per plant
Apr 26 11:44:58 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: not yet, you have to wait til whole bangladesh gets killed by rising sea due to global warming, then you might reach a 20/plant-month
Apr 26 11:45:37 <ShadowJK> Well I was guessng few hundred coal miner fatalities per year
Apr 26 11:47:01 <DocScrutinizer> I was guessing a 100.000 liquidators every 25 years
Apr 26 11:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> and a 500 NPPs on earth
Apr 26 11:50:27 <merlin1991> NPP?
Apr 26 11:51:01 <BCMM> nuclear power plant
Apr 26 11:54:58 <cityLights> what is the difference between using gobject.timeout_add() and alarmd event?
Apr 26 12:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> good question. Probably gobject.timeout is a simple kernel timer, while alarmd is a real RTC alarm that fires even when device is shut off
Apr 26 12:04:04 <cityLights> thanks
Apr 26 12:15:18 <ShadowJK> <ShadowJK> heh. that's amusing.. I set out a sequence of web tasks to complete, timed it with different devices and browsers, /ignoring/ browser startup time
Apr 26 12:15:40 <ShadowJK> <ShadowJK> N810 MicroB: 2.5 minutes. N900/M5 MicroB: 1.5m, N900/M5 Opera: 1m, N900/M5 Fennec: 2.5m
Apr 26 12:16:25 <ShadowJK> To be fair, N810 cheated a bit. on N900 I have to zoom in/out, but not on N810
Apr 26 12:17:17 <SpeedEvil> On the maemo wiki - is there a way to get a list of a users edits?
Apr 26 12:17:40 <SpeedEvil> nvm
Apr 26 12:17:42 <SpeedEvil> gotit
Apr 26 12:18:46 <ShadowJK> the defined tasks being simple: open a webshop, click category, click subcategory, open new tab/window for 3 products, close first tab/window, find price, stock level, date on all 3 and close.
Apr 26 12:19:02 <ShadowJK> fairly common browser use I'd think?
Apr 26 12:19:45 <ShadowJK> If you singletask, fennec is slightly less bad. :p
Apr 26 12:20:45 <ShadowJK> (but opera is more awesome even because back button is near instant)
Apr 26 12:21:08 <ruskie> I would asume because it keeps it in memory all the time
Apr 26 12:21:22 <cityLights> can I get any sql help regrding the calender here?
Apr 26 12:22:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~ask
Apr 26 12:22:03 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Apr 26 12:22:14 <ShadowJK> i remember an early fennec did this too, but now its ram use is so extreme it's probably slower if it didnt reload ;p
Apr 26 12:23:17 <cityLights> assming I know utc now, how can I ask the calender for the next coming meeting?
Apr 26 12:23:53 <cityLights> I used this to see if there is a meeting now:
Apr 26 12:23:56 <cityLights> select Summary from Components where ComponentType='1' and DateStart <= "+ now +" and DateEnd >= " +now
Apr 26 12:25:06 <cityLights> select Summary from Components where ComponentType='1' and DateStart <=  now  and DateEnd >= now
Apr 26 12:28:34 <DocScrutinizer> you're aware of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55018 ? I'd guess it has some examples in their code that are useful
Apr 26 12:58:28 <MOUD> Hey all
Apr 26 12:58:36 <MOUD> !extras
Apr 26 12:59:39 <MOUD> are extra-devel and extra-testing working? I just formated my device and after adding those 2 packages they r not working. The Maemo Extras is working fine.
Apr 26 13:10:42 <crashanddie> "My girlfriend and I love to role play during sex. She pretends to be catwoman, and I pretend to love her."
Apr 26 13:13:03 <kerio> lol
Apr 26 13:26:30 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/26/r_i_p_mechanical_typewriter/ <-- hmm
Apr 26 13:32:44 <billmania> ruskie: The mechanical typewrite may be dead, but for how long will the QWERTY keyboard layout survive? Why has it survived this long?
Apr 26 13:32:50 <idont> I'm experiencing some problems with Maemo's autobuilder. I've just uploaded my first package and only the i386 package fails to build. A thread at TMO suggests it is a problem with the autobuilder. Could someone take a look at it, please? Logs are here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/schedtool_1.3.0-1maemo1/
Apr 26 13:33:26 <idont> This is the thread at TMO I'm referring to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54935
Apr 26 13:33:37 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 26 13:33:56 <idont> Hey :p
Apr 26 13:35:32 <Khertan> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 <--> 	Incomplete [ 4 ] 	Need More Info [ 10015 ] LOL ... ok they are kindding ?
Apr 26 13:51:16 <merlin1991> Khertan: could you please attach small qt application reproducing the issue ?
Apr 26 13:51:18 <merlin1991> lmao
Apr 26 13:51:24 <merlin1991> any qt ap has the bug :D
Apr 26 13:56:14 <Khertan> merlin1991: they are just trying to close the thing without taking a look at it
Apr 26 13:56:27 <merlin1991> yea
Apr 26 13:56:35 <merlin1991> even thought it's a huge issue
Apr 26 13:56:59 <Khertan> merlin1991: maemo is clearly not anymore a target for them
Apr 26 13:57:39 <Khertan> merlin1991: i think the next message will be that they can't reproduce the problem with maemo clean install pr1.3 :)
Apr 26 13:58:36 <Khertan> merlin1991: less funny is that from what i see from the email subject : [Qt bugreports] Resolved:
Apr 26 13:58:44 <Khertan> clearly not the case
Apr 26 13:59:43 <keks-n> Damn. They seem to ignore me. Still have no access to extras-devel >_<
Apr 26 13:59:58 <Khertan> ?
Apr 26 14:00:01 <merlin1991> keks-n: what do you mean?
Apr 26 14:00:20 <keks-n> I sent a request last thursday
Apr 26 14:00:24 <X-Fade> keks-n: Sorry, I'm ignoring you because I need to discuss this with the council.
Apr 26 14:00:40 <keks-n> Oh
Apr 26 14:00:44 <merlin1991> X-Fade: cloak? ;)
Apr 26 14:00:44 <keks-n> I understand
Apr 26 14:01:08 <X-Fade> keks-n: As you are intending to commit a big mess into non-free which is potentially a big problem when you mess up :)
Apr 26 14:01:25 <keks-n> I already have compiled it in the scratchbox
Apr 26 14:01:31 <keks-n> Mono 2.10.1
Apr 26 14:01:37 <keks-n> From debian experimental
Apr 26 14:01:52 <Khertan> ^^^ now i understand why you are ignored ... mono ...
Apr 26 14:01:52 <Khertan> :)
Apr 26 14:02:11 * Khertan is going out .... [...]
Apr 26 14:02:25 <keks-n> Using two source packages, one for i386 and any (managed packages) and another for armel (base runtime only)
Apr 26 14:02:37 <X-Fade> Well non-free is essentially unmanaged. And I really don't want to risk any problems there when there is no clear demand.
Apr 26 14:02:40 <Khertan> keks-n: mono isn't free ?
Apr 26 14:02:56 <keks-n> Now I can provide source packages
Apr 26 14:03:13 <keks-n> And even GTK bindings compiles under ARM scratchbox now
Apr 26 14:03:22 <keks-n> >> keks-n: mono isn't free ?
Apr 26 14:03:23 <X-Fade> keks-n: But it won't build on the free builder then?
Apr 26 14:03:35 <keks-n> I wanted to use managed binaries from Ubuntu
Apr 26 14:03:47 <keks-n> It will build under free builder
Apr 26 14:04:15 <keks-n> It compiles i386 runtime first and create a "blob" with all needed libraries
Apr 26 14:04:26 <keks-n> This blob can be installed then into arm scratchbox
Apr 26 14:04:53 <keks-n> And because of using qemu-user it will run i386 runtime binaries
Apr 26 14:05:15 <keks-n> So I can provide source packages for the whole mono runtime and GTK bindings
Apr 26 14:05:17 <X-Fade> keks-n: That sounds like a big mess :)
Apr 26 14:05:59 <idont> My problem is solved; after changing "Maemo-Display-Name" to "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" in debian/control the autobuilder did build my package for all architectures. Still don't know why only the i386 build failed earlier (might have been a random autobuilder problem?). Anyway, all fine now :)
Apr 26 14:06:24 <keks-n> As I read in the wiki, it's possible to build only for one architecture. So I used this "feature" for 2-step compilation
Apr 26 14:06:25 <cityLights> hi all
Apr 26 14:06:51 <cityLights> in continue to last question regarding the difference between gobject.timeout_add and alarmd
Apr 26 14:07:31 <cityLights> assume I know when is my next meeting in unixepoc time, how can I put my code to sleep untill then?
Apr 26 14:16:10 <billmania> cityLights: The difference between the next meeting time and the current time is the number of seconds between them.
Apr 26 14:16:59 <billmania> You can then have your program wait that number of seconds.
Apr 26 14:17:21 <billmania> Which programming language are you using? I assume you're executing that program on a Maemo device.
Apr 26 14:18:06 <juk> holly shit, ported directfb to see it's dumbass banner, no system found! it's all fake n900
Apr 26 14:19:46 <keks-n> Why do you want to use directfb instead of opengl?
Apr 26 14:20:38 <keks-n> Or sdl
Apr 26 14:21:13 <cityLights> billmania: indeed i can calculate the time diffrence then use gobject.timeout_add to wait that amount of time
Apr 26 14:21:18 <cityLights> using pythin now
Apr 26 14:21:21 <cityLights> python
Apr 26 14:22:15 <billmania> cityLights: Then you're all set. time.sleep(numberOfSecondsToWait)
Apr 26 14:23:33 <cityLights> can't I just handle it out to the time to call a method when the amout of time passed?
Apr 26 14:23:43 <cityLights> then i can do other stuff
Apr 26 14:24:36 <billmania> cityLights: Of course. That requires the handling of the SIGALRM signal and a callback function. You said you wanted to put your program to sleep, however. Sounds like you instead want to do something else until that time elapses.
Apr 26 14:25:23 <cityLights> I will paste this here in a few min
Apr 26 14:25:34 <cityLights> need to see it working first
Apr 26 14:26:13 <cityLights> system question: how to run a program from the shell remotely?
Apr 26 14:26:34 <cityLights> I try ssh user@n900 'command' and it doesnt work
Apr 26 14:27:54 <keks-n> What does it print?
Apr 26 14:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: hi! :-)
Apr 26 14:28:12 <chem|st> cityLights: it is root@n900 usualy
Apr 26 14:28:18 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: hi
Apr 26 14:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: hi
Apr 26 14:28:35 <chem|st> cityLights: there you su - user
Apr 26 14:29:11 <chem|st> cityLights: ssh is forbidden for user by default either you change that first or go the "root" way
Apr 26 14:29:39 <cityLights> o ok
Apr 26 14:32:17 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Apr 26 14:33:20 <chem|st> ~hello
Apr 26 14:33:20 <apt> Howdy Bub
Apr 26 14:33:50 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: infobot still dead?
Apr 26 14:33:59 <DocScrutinizer> again
Apr 26 14:34:18 <chem|st> oh again is even more painfull than "still"
Apr 26 14:34:19 <cityLights> as currentdB.exectue() returns a sqlite3 object, how can I read the first item in it without a for loop?
Apr 26 14:34:33 <cityLights> sorry I seek python sqlite3 help
Apr 26 14:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and especially since
Apr 26 14:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~+chaninfo
Apr 26 14:34:43 <apt> I'm on 33 channels: #maemo/389, #debian/74, #gsoc/32, #kde/31, #oe/12, #wowace/12, #infobot/11, #wowuidev/10, #bzflag/8, #openmoko/6, #openmoko-cdevel/5, #sc2mapster/4, #htc-linux/4, #gllug/3, #uphpu/3, #tomcat/3, #utah/2, #edev/2, #slug/2, #debianppc/2, #openjtag/2, #uclibc/2, #curseforge/2, #elive/1, #brlcad/1, #wowroster/1, #norganna/1, ##ducleague/1, #lugwv/1, ##guleague/1, #debian-bots/1, #openezx/0
Apr 26 14:34:43 <apt> i've cached 629 users, 600 unique users, distributed over 33 channels.
Apr 26 14:34:55 <SpeedEvil> quack
Apr 26 14:34:58 <DocScrutinizer> should be like 111,3000
Apr 26 14:35:15 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: ouch
Apr 26 14:35:31 <SpeedEvil> mayb it only notices users that talk to it?
Apr 26 14:36:16 <DocScrutinizer> no, it only notices users on channels it's logged in to
Apr 26 14:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> and even there it fails epically
Apr 26 14:36:48 <merlin1991> ~seen merlin1991
Apr 26 14:36:57 <apt> merlin1991 is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 80 messages. Is idling for 9s, last said: '~seen merlin1991'.
Apr 26 14:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> e.g. openmoko-cdevel has 83 users, not 5
Apr 26 14:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> tim told me the mysql db got somehow corrupt, he restored it some 2 days ago
Apr 26 14:39:36 <SpeedEvil> Could they be numbers that talk?
Apr 26 14:40:00 <smooph_web> hey guys I have a problem with video capture ... I am recording my lectures and the problem is the power for a 2h recording ... is there a way to turn the display off while recording?
Apr 26 14:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> nfc really - at least they're not supposed to afaik
Apr 26 14:40:11 <DocScrutinizer> see #maemo
Apr 26 14:40:19 <SpeedEvil> smooph_web: hmm
Apr 26 14:40:57 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, good question
Apr 26 14:41:09 <smooph_web> I took a look around but the "Show captured Video" is about after the recording
Apr 26 14:41:11 <DocScrutinizer> reduce backlight to minimum is probably best you can do
Apr 26 14:41:25 <smooph_web> DocScrutinizer: already did that
Apr 26 14:42:09 <smooph_web> 2 hour class works ... battery backup for the next one is bought but the 3hour one doesn't work
Apr 26 14:42:39 <DocScrutinizer> USB power pack?
Apr 26 14:42:49 <smooph_web> right now I am draining my laptops battery with the usb port to give my n900 that little bit of extra juice
Apr 26 14:43:01 <DocScrutinizer> or that
Apr 26 14:43:17 <SpeedEvil> I assume you need video, not audio?
Apr 26 14:43:24 <smooph_web> correct
Apr 26 14:43:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, camera chip and compressing eat some energy
Apr 26 14:43:58 <DocScrutinizer> no matter what
Apr 26 14:44:22 <smooph_web> of course but I suspect the display is the real drain ...
Apr 26 14:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> reducing video resolution might help, but I'm not aware of a way to do this
Apr 26 14:44:31 <SpeedEvil> smooph_web: It's not
Apr 26 14:44:38 <SpeedEvil> smooph_web: At least if you dim it.
Apr 26 14:44:43 <Zandor> hi can someone help me with my n900
Apr 26 14:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~ask
Apr 26 14:44:51 <apt> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Apr 26 14:44:51 <SpeedEvil> smooph_web: A major issue may be reformatting the picture and putting it onto the screen
Apr 26 14:44:51 <Zandor> my phone app keeps popping up
Apr 26 14:45:35 <DocScrutinizer> switch off auto-popup on rotation in phone app's settings
Apr 26 14:45:41 <smooph_web> SpeedEvil: I cannot reduce the quality its needed
Apr 26 14:46:14 <Zandor> ty @DocScutinizer
Apr 26 14:47:00 <smooph_web> welll I guess I have to live with it and maybe invest in a usb battery backup
Apr 26 14:47:23 <smooph_web> this way at least my laptop can stay in the bag
Apr 26 14:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> 3 primary cells a` 1.5V should suffice
Apr 26 14:48:47 <DocScrutinizer> or 4 NiMH a` 1.2V
Apr 26 14:49:37 <DocScrutinizer> just make sure you're never exceeding 6V
Apr 26 14:50:05 <smooph_web> is there a batterypack thats recommended?
Apr 26 14:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia has some USB pack with regulator afaik
Apr 26 14:51:23 <billmania> smooph_web: There's an article on talk.maemo.org which has tested and recommends these batteries: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/367257966-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-Nokia-BL-5J-for-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping-wholesalers.html
Apr 26 14:51:41 <billmania> smooph_web: I haven't yet tried them myself, but plan to buy one.
Apr 26 14:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> smooph_web is asking for external USB powerpacks
Apr 26 14:52:10 <Zandor> I am sorry this may be out of context but have you tried mugen power batteries for n900
Apr 26 14:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> this indeed might be a solution
Apr 26 14:52:40 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: Understood.
Apr 26 14:55:29 <smooph_web> billmania: & DocScrutinizer  100$ is a little too much for my taste ... I think I will look for a usb backup unit
Apr 26 14:55:45 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 26 14:55:59 <billmania> smooph_web: The batteries from aliexpress are only about USB 10 each.
Apr 26 14:56:07 <billmania> (if you buy three at a time)
Apr 26 14:57:20 <smooph_web> billmania: sorry I dont understand what you are saying?
Apr 26 15:00:57 <billmania> smooph_web: One  option of many  for increasing the operating time of your N900 is to increase the battery capacity.
Apr 26 15:00:58 <DocScrutinizer> smooph_web: http://www.online-superpreis.de/kfz-outdoor/outdoor/cabstone-solar-not-ladegeraet-mit-integr-5-5v-1000mah-li-po-akku/a-608/
Apr 26 15:01:39 <billmania> The replacement batteries at http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/367257966-Lithium-ion-Battery-for-Nokia-BL-5J-for-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping-wholesalers.html provide more capacity than the standard Nokia-provided N900 battery.
Apr 26 15:01:56 <billmania> If you buy a package of three of those batteries from aliexpress, the cost is approximately USD 10 each.
Apr 26 15:02:02 <smooph_web> DocScrutinizer: hehe im hörsaal leider nicht so praktisch befürchte ich :D
Apr 26 15:02:23 <DocScrutinizer> smooph_web: it has a 1000mA LiIon battery
Apr 26 15:02:29 <billmania> DocScrutinizer has also suggested the replacement battery from Mugen Power, which has much more capacity than even the aliexpress batteries.
Apr 26 15:04:47 <smooph_web> billmania: I understand but that just a question of money 100$ vs 10$ a student will always choose the second option
Apr 26 15:05:26 <billmania> smooph_web: Unless the student does a cost benefit analysis and calculates how much longer the Mugen battery will power the N900. :-D
Apr 26 15:06:03 <smooph_web> DocScrutinizer: ohh I didn't see that ... I will look around maybe thats an option
Apr 26 15:07:01 <smooph_web> billmania: I only need another 30-60min :D but youre probably right ...
Apr 26 15:10:21 <Cor-Ai> is there somthing like fbrun(fluxbox) for maemo?
Apr 26 15:11:31 <SpeedEvil> Or unless they invest $20 in a cheap camcorery thingy
Apr 26 15:12:48 <smooph_web> SpeedEvil: thought about that too ... thing is ... I don't think my professors would like me to tape their lectures not even for personal use only
Apr 26 15:13:00 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Apr 26 15:13:10 <smooph_web> so the n900 is kind of a nice spycam
Apr 26 15:13:27 * SpeedEvil looks at his connectors that hea meant to build a right-angle USB thingy with
Apr 26 15:16:32 <jacekowski> smooph_web: ask them
Apr 26 15:16:48 <jacekowski> smooph_web: a lot of them will let you record and stuff
Apr 26 15:21:16 <smooph_web> trust me ... the ones I am recording won't ... the won't even create a script of the lecture ...
Apr 26 15:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> you want to control the red privacy indicator I guess. lfocus pkg does that
Apr 26 15:22:54 <SpeedEvil> Tape does it too.
Apr 26 15:23:05 <DocScrutinizer> lol, yeah
Apr 26 15:25:39 <smooph_web_> the n900 has micro usb right ? :)
Apr 26 15:25:57 <jacekowski> yes
Apr 26 15:26:04 <jacekowski> unless somebody breaks it
Apr 26 15:26:25 <plunked> hey guys
Apr 26 15:26:41 <plunked> anyone compiled qt4.7 on scratchbox before?
Apr 26 15:27:44 <Khertan> plunked: me why ?
Apr 26 15:28:22 <plunked> @khertan: I'm having some errors getting it to compile
Apr 26 15:28:40 <plunked> i was wondering if there were any gotchas regarding its compilation on scratchbox
Apr 26 15:29:33 <Khertan> compilations works out of the box + some missing library install
Apr 26 15:30:30 <smooph_web_> http://tinyurl.com/6a8ryac DocScrutinizer how about this one ?
Apr 26 15:30:58 <plunked> @Khertan: okay, i'll go take a look and check which libraries im missing
Apr 26 15:30:59 <plunked> thanks :)
Apr 26 15:32:20 <keks-n> Lol, somebody have already tried to build Mono 2.6.7 in the autobuilder
Apr 26 15:34:28 <GAN900> Engadget really has hit rock bottom
Apr 26 15:34:35 <GAN900> It's more political than tech.
Apr 26 15:35:47 <keks-n> wtf
Apr 26 15:36:05 <keks-n> There is no any package for armel in debian/control
Apr 26 15:36:12 <keks-n> Why it compiles for it?
Apr 26 15:36:41 <xd13> just ordered one of those scud batteries :)
Apr 26 15:38:25 <keks-n> There are also no packages with architecture "any"
Apr 26 15:38:32 <keks-n> Only "i386" and "all"
Apr 26 15:38:37 <keks-n> >_<
Apr 26 15:40:34 <keks-n> cat debian/control |grep Architecture|sort -n|uniq
Apr 26 15:40:34 <keks-n> Architecture: all
Apr 26 15:40:34 <keks-n> Architecture: i386
Apr 26 15:47:23 <keks-n> I hate it
Apr 26 15:47:35 <keks-n> It still builds for armel
Apr 26 15:50:51 <Corsac> Arch: any means it's arch-specific and needs to be rebuilt for every architecture
Apr 26 16:01:14 <keks-n> There is no packages with "any"
Apr 26 16:01:22 <keks-n> There are packages with "all"
Apr 26 16:01:51 <keks-n> Now created a wrapper for debian/rules which prevents building anything for ARM
Apr 26 16:09:49 <Corsac> keks-n: arch:any makes only sense in source package
Apr 26 16:10:02 <keks-n> -_-
Apr 26 16:10:10 <keks-n> I didn't use "any"
Apr 26 16:10:18 <keks-n> I've used "all"
Apr 26 16:10:29 <keks-n> but it still tries compile it for armel
Apr 26 16:10:50 <Corsac> all means there's nothing arch specific (think perl/python/shell script for example)
Apr 26 16:11:03 <keks-n> When I create a source package with a single binary package for "all" it works properly
Apr 26 16:11:34 <keks-n> When I upload a source package with i386 and "all" binary packages it tries to compile it for armel
Apr 26 16:11:48 <Corsac> please show your debian/control
Apr 26 16:12:22 <Corsac> (Architecture: any is more or less an alias for Architecture: amd64 i386 arm armel mip mipsel etc. etc.)
Apr 26 16:13:31 <keks-n> http://pastebin.com/ZZzfEzPk
Apr 26 16:14:06 <keks-n> Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libh/libhtml-tree-perl/libhtml-tree-perl_3.23-1maemo5.1_all.deb  401  Authorization Required E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Fetched 946kB in 2s (396kB/s)
Apr 26 16:14:09 <keks-n> lolwtf
Apr 26 16:14:49 <slonopotamus> hehe
Apr 26 16:14:55 <keks-n> Someone has broken the repository
Apr 26 16:14:57 <keks-n> Great
Apr 26 16:14:58 <slonopotamus> keks-n: what country from?
Apr 26 16:15:05 <keks-n> Russia
Apr 26 16:15:30 <Corsac> ok so the package shouldn't even manage to be built at all on an armel buildd
Apr 26 16:15:45 <keks-n> yep
Apr 26 16:17:37 <slonopotamus> keks-n: confirming 401 from russia. redirects to http://guide.opendns.com/?url=stage%2Fextras%2Ddevel%2Fpool%2Ffremantle%2Ffree%2Flibh%2Flibhtml%2Dtree%2Dperl%2Flibhtml%2Dtree%2Dperl%5F3%2E23%2D1maemo5%2E1%5Fall%2Edeb from europe
Apr 26 16:17:56 <keks-n> I got this in the autobuilder
Apr 26 16:18:07 <keks-n> The url itself is malformed
Apr 26 16:18:20 <keks-n> >>http://stage/
Apr 26 16:18:44 <slonopotamus> yeah, i replaced it with repository.maemo.org
Apr 26 16:20:29 <keks-n> It looks like, that my `hack` works
Apr 26 16:20:34 <keks-n> But I get this:
Apr 26 16:20:38 <keks-n> dpkg-genchanges -sa -eAutomatic Builder <builder@maemo.org> >../mono-i386_2.10.1-4maemo1_armel.changes
Apr 26 16:20:38 <keks-n> dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory
Apr 26 16:20:38 <keks-n> dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-genchanges gave error exit status 2
Apr 26 16:20:57 <keks-n> It should be in debian/files, right?
Apr 26 16:21:06 <slonopotamus> that's the good side of 'hacks' :)
Apr 26 16:29:51 <keks-n> HELL YEAH
Apr 26 16:30:01 <keks-n> It have passed the armel build
Apr 26 16:30:52 <keks-n> Now building for i386 :3
Apr 26 16:32:30 <smooph> DocScrutinizer sorry to bug you again ... but did u see the link I sent u ? ... I think this one would work but I would like your opinion
Apr 26 16:34:17 <smooph> would this one work as a battery backup pack for the n900 ?
Apr 26 16:34:18 <smooph> http://tinyurl.com/6a8ryac
Apr 26 16:35:11 <smooph> 2,5k mAh should provide some extra power right ?
Apr 26 16:38:26 <DocScrutinizer> smooph: damn no. This one has "output 3.7V"
Apr 26 16:38:55 <smooph> this is so much harder than i thought :D
Apr 26 16:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: +uptime
Apr 26 16:49:10 <infobot> - Uptime for infobot -
Apr 26 16:49:10 <infobot> Now: 26m 3s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Apr 26 16:49:10 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Apr 26 16:49:10 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Apr 26 16:49:11 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Apr 26 16:49:20 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: chaninfo
Apr 26 16:49:20 <infobot> I'm on 111 channels: #debian/1140, #meego/451, #gsoc/402, #maemo/389, #kde/384, #asterisk/221, #oe/171, #wowace/163, #wowhead/162, #wowuidev/158, #openmoko/111, #webos-internals/107, #htc-linux/106, #openmoko-cdevel/84, #utah/79, #sc2mapster/64, #asterisk-dev/62, #tomcat/61, #bzflag/57, #curseforge/57, #uclibc/54, #edev/53, #slug/42, #uphpu/40, #gllug/37, #elinux/37, #norganna/31, #/30, #storm/30, #utos/28, #asterisk-bugs/27, #brlcad/27, #buglabs/24, ...
Apr 26 16:49:21 <infobot> i've cached 5384 users, 3995 unique users, distributed over 111 channels.
Apr 26 16:50:36 <slonopotamus> infobot: now you ban yourself for excessive flood
Apr 26 16:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: could you set /cs access #maemo infobot VOP (+vV)   please? I'm missing +f so can't do it
Apr 26 16:58:05 <keks-n> dh_installdocs -s cp: cannot stat `debian/changelog.1': No such file or directory dh_installdocs: cp -a debian/changelog.1 debian/mono-runtime/usr/share/doc/mono-runtime returned exit code 1 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 2 dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch gave error exit status 2
Apr 26 16:58:14 <keks-n> After 30 minutes of compilation
Apr 26 16:58:18 <keks-n> TOXIC RAGE
Apr 26 17:01:20 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: infobot can't ban people, not even herself. I didn't give her +o
Apr 26 17:01:36 <slonopotamus> poor soul
Apr 26 17:02:01 <DocScrutinizer> but heh, I could do ;-D
Apr 26 17:05:48 <hatake_kakashi> giving op to a bot that can do regexp search and replace reminds me of some place I've been to awhile back. Where the bot would kick you for feeding it wrong regexp search and replace syntaxes, even if you accidentally left the end of replace syntax out the bot still kicks you. :)
Apr 26 17:09:07 <hatake_kakashi> i.e. `s/foo/bar' <-- note the missing character at the end, just for not ending it correctly the bot kicks you.
Apr 26 17:31:51 <keks-n> wtf
Apr 26 17:32:08 <keks-n> It haven't packaged any managed code
Apr 26 17:36:19 <DocScrutinizer> hatake_kakashi: fun
Apr 26 17:36:56 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: IDIOT!
Apr 26 17:36:57 <infobot> idiot is, like, you
Apr 26 17:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> see, she's peaceful
Apr 26 17:37:14 <hatake_kakashi> DocScrutinizer, indeed, one learns quickly to not make mistakes so easily after getting kicked for making lousy mistakes
Apr 26 17:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> s/see/SDF fsdfacf
Apr 26 17:37:35 <hatake_kakashi> s/lousy mistakes/lousy mistake/
Apr 26 17:37:35 <infobot> hatake_kakashi meant: DocScrutinizer, indeed, one learns quickly to not make mistakes so easily after getting kicked for making lousy mistake
Apr 26 17:38:17 <hatake_kakashi> at least I should see it as a relief from that even though now I try to use the syntax more properly rather than sluggishly ;)
Apr 26 17:38:58 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Apr 26 17:38:58 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Apr 26 17:39:04 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: ping
Apr 26 17:42:09 <keks-n> It looks like, that the autobuilder always tries to build packages with architecture "all" under armel if there are some packages with another architecture
Apr 26 17:45:09 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: ping
Apr 26 17:45:15 <keks-n> Get:7 http://stage fremantle/free libxml-regexp-perl 0.03-7maemo1 [7628B]
Apr 26 17:45:15 <keks-n> Get:8 http://stage fremantle/free libxml-dom-perl 1.44-1maemo1 [186kB]
Apr 26 17:45:15 <keks-n> Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libxml-perl/libxml-perl_0.08-1maemo1_all.deb  401  Authorization Required
Apr 26 17:45:24 <keks-n> What the...
Apr 26 17:45:34 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Apr 26 17:47:01 * keks-n sends the ray of HATE to the author of the autobuilder
Apr 26 17:49:24 <keks-n> >>Could not determine build arch
Apr 26 17:49:26 <keks-n> wtf
Apr 26 17:50:11 <keks-n> Actually what does it mean?
Apr 26 17:52:09 <D_Cent> hi
Apr 26 17:52:23 <keks-n> Where can I get the source of this file?
Apr 26 17:52:34 <D_Cent> my N900 doesn't book anymore - is there a way to e.g. only flash the rootfs so i can keep the MyDocs folder?
Apr 26 17:52:52 <D_Cent> *book -> boot
Apr 26 17:54:09 <keks-n> Extract files from the image and reflash only rootfs
Apr 26 17:55:20 <keks-n> flasher-3.5 --unpack=IMAGE
Apr 26 17:55:36 <keks-n> flasher-3.5 --rootfs=rootfs_bla_bla -f
Apr 26 17:56:25 <D_Cent> keks-n: thanks, i will try that
Apr 26 17:57:36 <D_Cent> do i need to run the flasher with root permissions?
Apr 26 17:58:49 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer: pong.
Apr 26 18:02:16 <keks-n> >>do i need to run the flasher with root permissions?
Apr 26 18:02:26 <keks-n> Only for flashing
Apr 26 18:04:48 <D_Cent> hmm.. i get "Unable to enumerate USB buses"
Apr 26 18:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: why don't even you have +f ?
Apr 26 18:11:47 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: >> If you are not a founder, you may only manipulate flags you have yourself, and may not edit users that have flags you don't have. For this purpose, +v grants +V, +o grants +O...
Apr 26 18:15:30 <Damnshock> hey guys
Apr 26 18:15:37 <Damnshock> I'm having trouble trying to flash a kernel image
Apr 26 18:15:40 <Damnshock> for meego
Apr 26 18:15:48 <Damnshock> Unable to enumerate USB devices!
Apr 26 18:15:57 <Damnshock> I'm getting that message, any help will be apreciated
Apr 26 18:17:48 <DocScrutinizer> lsmod
Apr 26 18:18:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Apr 26 18:18:01 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 26 18:18:54 <Damnshock> http://pastebin.centos.org/37195
Apr 26 18:19:20 <Damnshock> infobot: I've tried that guide
Apr 26 18:19:23 <Damnshock> and its solutions
Apr 26 18:19:25 <Damnshock> still no success
Apr 26 18:19:28 <Jartza> Damnshock: http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/
Apr 26 18:19:31 <Jartza> that helped for me
Apr 26 18:19:59 <Jartza> specifically the "Update" -section
Apr 26 18:20:36 <Jartza> worth a try, as it doesn't make permanent changes
Apr 26 18:21:14 <Damnshock> thanks Jartza, gonna look into it
Apr 26 18:22:35 <Damnshock> well, now the message is different
Apr 26 18:22:43 <Damnshock> USB device found found at bus 004, device address 005.
Apr 26 18:22:43 <Damnshock> Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy
Apr 26 18:23:57 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer: talk to X-Fade for founder issues.
Apr 26 18:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> lsmod
Apr 26 18:24:38 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Apr 26 18:24:39 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 26 18:25:14 <maybeHere> dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun
Apr 26 18:25:17 <maybeHere> FLASH!
Apr 26 18:25:18 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: mhm, alas he's a rare visitor
Apr 26 18:25:21 <maybeHere> AA-AAH
Apr 26 18:25:33 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer: email should work.
Apr 26 18:25:41 <cityLights> can anyone very this idea ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nivw/5658073749/in/photostream
Apr 26 18:26:00 <cityLights> I am tring to make a program to silence the phone when I am in a meeting
Apr 26 18:29:06 <Damnshock> you can point to that guide as many times as you like
Apr 26 18:29:10 <Damnshock> still no success
Apr 26 18:39:38 <dongood> hello
Apr 26 18:39:42 <dongood> how are ou do all
Apr 26 18:39:48 <dongood> i am here to trade
Apr 26 18:41:27 * abissom likes businessmen :P
Apr 26 18:41:31 <abissom> ;)
Apr 26 18:42:02 <dongood> ok abissom i am here for bussinee
Apr 26 18:44:21 <abissom> let's hear what you have to offer dongood
Apr 26 18:44:46 <dongood> ok i will like you to contact me by email ok
Apr 26 18:44:51 <dongood> here is my email
Apr 26 18:45:01 <dongood> rssba.dept58@gmail.com
Apr 26 18:45:32 <abissom> :/
Apr 26 18:46:09 <dongood> ok you can contac me by email ok
Apr 26 18:46:39 <abissom> no. of course not. i don't even know what you have to offer
Apr 26 18:46:40 <abissom> :P
Apr 26 18:47:34 <DocScrutinizer> dongood: see /topic!
Apr 26 18:47:40 <dongood> that why i say you can contac me by email so i will say to you im will be bcak in the 30mins ok ?
Apr 26 18:47:55 <dongood> i need to attend to me worker now
Apr 26 18:48:08 <DocScrutinizer> no trading here
Apr 26 18:48:39 <DocScrutinizer> dongood: what is N900?
Apr 26 18:48:40 * abissom remembers the rule now
Apr 26 18:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Apr 26 18:50:24 <Gh0sty> maybe he wanted to trade his n900 for an iphone! :P
Apr 26 18:50:48 <DocScrutinizer> if he did, he could've answered my question
Apr 26 18:51:32 <abissom> i don't trust the guy at all
Apr 26 18:51:39 <DocScrutinizer> the missing ban is for the marginal chance he really wanted to trade Nokia phones and just been busy
Apr 26 18:51:56 <DocScrutinizer> abissom: nigerian conection
Apr 26 18:52:11 <DocScrutinizer> live spam
Apr 26 18:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> ooops
Apr 26 18:52:52 <DocScrutinizer> aah no ooops
Apr 26 18:52:55 <abissom> nigerian: i'm actually from africa myself :)
Apr 26 18:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> np
Apr 26 18:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> but there's a notorious crew over there
Apr 26 18:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> a whole business
Apr 26 18:54:01 <hatake_kakashi> I wonder if they've also gotten desperate. It all started in the form of emails, now its spreading across to something as old as IRC
Apr 26 18:55:05 <hatake_kakashi> oh I've just remembered they've also trolled on forums as well
Apr 26 18:57:12 <DocScrutinizer> ping me if he comes back
Apr 26 18:59:20 <rm_work> if something totally breaks my touchscreen, is there a way to kill an app with just the keyboard?
Apr 26 18:59:54 <FIQ> ctrl+shift+x get root, killall process
Apr 26 18:59:56 <FIQ> :)
Apr 26 19:00:22 <rm_work> hrm
Apr 26 19:00:24 <rm_work> ok...
Apr 26 19:00:29 <rm_work> i guess it killed ALL input
Apr 26 19:01:13 <rm_work> it comes in/out of sleep, camera app opens and closes when i slide the camera lens open and shut, and it pops the menu when i hit tap the power button
Apr 26 19:01:17 <rm_work> so it isn't frozen
Apr 26 19:01:49 <rm_work> *when i tap the power button
Apr 26 19:02:01 <rm_work> i guess i'll just reboot it >_>
Apr 26 19:02:28 <FIQ> lol, sounds exactly as the behaviour when I started an extra X session
Apr 26 19:02:30 <FIQ> then it went like that
Apr 26 19:02:58 <rm_work> i ran the digia@scene app and tried to watch a video
Apr 26 19:02:59 <rm_work> lol
Apr 26 19:03:24 <rm_work> it popped a menu telling me i needed to enter my account info for youtube, and bam, inputs dead
Apr 26 19:04:44 <DocScrutinizer> I had that sometimes when a modal requester got opened *behind* the current screen
Apr 26 19:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> I think ctrl-bs got me to the requester and I was able to close it
Apr 26 19:12:17 <keks-n> Ehm
Apr 26 19:12:38 <keks-n> It looks like that it was successfully built
Apr 26 19:12:57 <keks-n> But I cann't see it at http://maemo.org/packages
Apr 26 19:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> takes a while
Apr 26 19:29:00 <keks-n> Does it keep "Original-Maintainer" fields after the build?
Apr 26 19:31:02 <keks-n> Hm...
Apr 26 19:33:20 <keks-n> BTW, who is Daniel Spies?
Apr 26 19:33:42 <keks-n> It says that he is the maintainer of mono-runtime
Apr 26 19:34:00 <keks-n> But he didn't uploaded anything that was build, lol
Apr 26 19:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> fsck mono
Apr 26 19:54:42 <mc_teo> hey
Apr 26 19:54:49 <mc_teo> you know sphinx?
Apr 26 19:55:16 <mc_teo> there is a garage page for pocketsphinx, but yet not on the repos
Apr 26 19:56:37 <andre__> mc_teo, maybe nobody has packaged it yet?
Apr 26 19:56:55 <mc_teo> andre__: but its been there for ages
Apr 26 19:57:26 <andre__> the "but" in that sentence doesn't make much sense :-P
Apr 26 20:02:00 <Venemo> There was an error while trying to connect to the Telepathy Account Manager. The error was:
Apr 26 20:02:02 <Venemo> Process /usr/libexec/mission-control-5 received signal 11
Apr 26 20:02:09 <Venemo> I've been getting this from Telepathy for a week now
Apr 26 20:02:23 <RST38h> It is dead, Jim.
Apr 26 20:02:38 <RST38h> You take its tricorder, and I will take his purse.
Apr 26 20:06:06 <keks-n> >>W: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/Packages  401 Unauthorized [IP: 92.123.68.43 80]
Apr 26 20:06:28 <keks-n> Somebody has broken the repository
Apr 26 20:07:36 <keks-n> Also, why sphinx? Lucene shows pretty good perfomance
Apr 26 20:09:51 <keks-n> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72528&highlight=401+Unauthorized
Apr 26 20:10:03 <keks-n> I'm not alone who is affected
Apr 26 20:15:04 <keks-n> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle-1.3/non-free/binary-armel/ - it can be even browsed
Apr 26 20:15:19 <keks-n> But no file can be downloaded
Apr 26 21:12:13 <vi___> is there a hardware accelerated video player for n900 that doesnt suck balls
Apr 26 21:12:21 <vi___> ala media player
Apr 26 21:13:13 <DocScrutinizer> only mafw has video accel
Apr 26 21:13:45 <DocScrutinizer> afaik.  nokia media player is using mafw
Apr 26 21:14:49 <vi___> mmm. every video i try plays for about 1 second then craps out saying media unsupported (which is shite)
Apr 26 21:15:08 <pupnik> sounds like a bug
Apr 26 21:15:32 <vi___> is there a solution that doesnt involve me chewing up 35% cpu?
Apr 26 21:15:45 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain
Apr 26 21:16:13 <pupnik> lol
Apr 26 21:16:22 <pupnik> want to play back video with no cpu
Apr 26 21:16:23 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: you OC'd the device ? (or anybody else did?)
Apr 26 21:17:03 <pupnik> i did briefly
Apr 26 21:17:18 <Dhraakellian> vi___: yes, swallow the CPU% whole
Apr 26 21:17:34 <cehteh> grr .. why dont they make mksquashfs backward compatible
Apr 26 21:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: breakdown of DSP after a few seconds sounds like burnout due to OC
Apr 26 21:19:14 <pupnik> ahh :)
Apr 26 21:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> vi___ is telltale silent
Apr 26 21:20:56 <pupnik> heheh
Apr 26 21:21:26 <DocScrutinizer> another OC fatality in my book
Apr 26 21:21:43 <pupnik> i saw it a fe wtimes
Apr 26 21:31:44 <cehteh> ah cool .. with the correct squashfs version it works ..
Apr 26 21:32:34 <cehteh> 2GB saved :P
Apr 26 21:32:58 <cehteh> has the stock kernel squashfs support?
Apr 26 21:34:55 <pupnik> nice to see ya cehteh
Apr 26 21:35:02 <pupnik> what are you up to?
Apr 26 21:35:38 <cehteh> http://monav.openstreetmap.de/
Apr 26 21:35:48 <cehteh> squashfs the germany big map :)
Apr 26 21:36:25 <cehteh> oh stock kernel/device has fat .. no files bigger than 2GB .. pita :P
Apr 26 21:36:27 <pupnik> nice
Apr 26 21:36:46 <pupnik> could an openstreetmap client do a  squashfs within a file?
Apr 26 21:36:48 <cehteh> monav is awesome .. vector maps and instant routing
Apr 26 21:37:29 <cehteh> mount -o loop -t squashfs foo.squash foo
Apr 26 21:38:17 <pupnik> can that grow the filesize dynamically?
Apr 26 21:38:27 <cehteh> nope these are static maps
Apr 26 21:38:49 <cehteh> they are preprocessed for routing on a PC which needs a lot cpu and ram
Apr 26 21:39:09 <pupnik> bad
Apr 26 21:39:10 <cehteh> but then you get instant routing on the device which really works
Apr 26 21:39:26 <cehteh> thats not bad .. thats the best routing you ever see
Apr 26 21:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> but not for pedestrians/bike
Apr 26 21:39:39 <cehteh> yes also pedestrian/bike
Apr 26 21:39:44 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Apr 26 21:39:47 <DocScrutinizer> that's new
Apr 26 21:39:50 <cehteh> yes :)
Apr 26 21:39:55 <cehteh> and the speed is new
Apr 26 21:40:02 <DocScrutinizer> umm
Apr 26 21:40:10 <DocScrutinizer> how new?
Apr 26 21:40:30 <cehteh> dunno how old the project is meanwhile but i think its little known
Apr 26 21:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I've been one of the early adopters
Apr 26 21:41:07 <cehteh> routing from lets say some little street in hamburg to some other little street in munich for a pedestrian takes just a blink of your eye
Apr 26 21:41:10 <DocScrutinizer> and I've been told monav doesn't work for pedestrian
Apr 26 21:41:18 <cehteh> works meanwhile
Apr 26 21:41:24 <cehteh> didnt know you know it
Apr 26 21:42:07 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I ask "HOW new?"
Apr 26 21:42:08 <cehteh> the routing tables have to be generated for each mode ... meanwhile the maps include car, pedestrian and bile
Apr 26 21:42:10 <cehteh> bike
Apr 26 21:42:20 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Apr 26 21:42:52 <cehteh> bike doesnt include inclination weighting so its little bad on hills .. tbd
Apr 26 21:42:54 <DocScrutinizer> so all I need to do is update my maps?
Apr 26 21:42:59 <cehteh> yep
Apr 26 21:43:13 <DocScrutinizer> k
Apr 26 21:43:16 <cehteh> if you want i can put the germany_big squash on a server
Apr 26 21:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> nfi
Apr 26 21:43:51 <cehteh> du -sh Germany\ \(Big\)*
Apr 26 21:43:51 <cehteh> 6.1G	Germany (Big)
Apr 26 21:43:51 <cehteh> 4.0G	Germany (Big).squash
Apr 26 21:44:01 <DocScrutinizer> yay
Apr 26 21:44:22 <cehteh> well will take a bit to upload :P
Apr 26 21:44:39 <cehteh> and first i want to try it here on my device, i tested with a smaller map
Apr 26 21:44:45 <DocScrutinizer> will also need a bit to download. I think for now I can do without
Apr 26 21:45:01 <cehteh> currently i have the non squashed installed .. deleting that now, i dont have a 32GB sd card :P
Apr 26 21:45:21 * DocScrutinizer neither
Apr 26 21:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki squashfs
Apr 26 21:46:06 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squashfs (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox filesystem| | name = SquashFS | developer = Phillip Lougher, Robert Lougher | full_name = | introduction_date = 2009 | introduction_os = Linux 2.6.29 | partition_id = | directory_struct = | file_struct = | bad_blocks_struct = | max_file_size = 16 EiB | max_files_no = | max_filename_size = | max_volume_size = 16 EiB | dates_recorded = | date_range = | date_resolution = | ...
Apr 26 21:47:28 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Apr 26 21:47:37 <cehteh> Germany (Big).squash
Apr 26 21:47:38 <cehteh>      3014656   0%   44.31kB/s   26:15:42
Apr 26 21:47:45 <cehteh> awesome dsl upstream :)
Apr 26 21:47:55 <DocScrutinizer> tzz
Apr 26 21:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> even mine is better ;-D
Apr 26 21:48:42 <cehteh> i had to build v3.4 squashfs tools ... my debian squeeze has 4.0 which is incompatible
Apr 26 21:48:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'm honestly considering to install X+KDE on my server - it has a 1GB backbone
Apr 26 21:49:09 <cehteh> too bad that the squashfs people dont offer forward/backward compatibility
Apr 26 21:49:25 <DocScrutinizer> when I dl'd a file of some MB size with wget, I thought WTF what went wrong???
Apr 26 21:49:31 <cehteh> squashfs is somewhat awesome, only this compatibility is biting me
Apr 26 21:50:06 <DocScrutinizer> wget returned instantly
Apr 26 21:50:07 <cehteh> its much faster than tar/gz, it preserves metadata, it compresses better
Apr 26 21:50:23 <cehteh> haha SF download?
Apr 26 21:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> SF?
Apr 26 21:50:46 <cehteh> sourceforge
Apr 26 21:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> don't remember, just recall it impressed the shit outa me
Apr 26 21:51:16 * cehteh alsways forgets this direct link pita and downloads some html stuff accidentally :P
Apr 26 21:51:37 <pupnik> lol
Apr 26 21:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> I think I copied some 40MB of source/backup from people.openmoko (hetzner) to my private box (hetzner) ;-P
Apr 26 21:52:36 <cehteh> i wonder if the squashfs map is even faster .. 2GB less on the slow SD can make a difference
Apr 26 21:52:57 <cehteh> hehe my server is at hetzner too
Apr 26 21:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> hey, so I might fetch it to my box then, will take like 16s
Apr 26 21:54:34 <cehteh> yes ... tuesday when i finished the uplaod :P
Apr 26 21:54:40 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Apr 26 21:54:47 <cehteh>     22511616   0%   41.78kB/s   27:43:13
Apr 26 21:55:00 <openess> hi. I'm having trouble flashing my N900. The flasher says "Unable to enumerate USB devices!"
Apr 26 21:55:03 <DocScrutinizer> Wednesday
Apr 26 21:55:23 <openess> Has anyone seen this before?
Apr 26 21:55:33 <DocScrutinizer> or is that dd:hh:mm and you meant tuesday next month?
Apr 26 21:55:55 <cehteh> haha
Apr 26 21:56:27 <cehteh> damn upstream is full .. my network lags
Apr 26 21:56:36 <openess> I using archlinux (newly upgraded) and the 3.5 flasher, as recommended on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device
Apr 26 21:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> openess: seriously it's not your fault but you're the third one today
Apr 26 21:56:45 <openess> can this be a USB-hub thing?
Apr 26 21:57:07 <cehteh> tried without a hub?
Apr 26 21:57:09 <openess> lol.. sorry than :p
Apr 26 21:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> 4th?
Apr 26 21:57:58 <openess> well, yes. But I suspect that my regular USB-ports are actually a hub since this is a small netbook
Apr 26 21:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, try all ports then
Apr 26 21:58:24 <openess> did ;)
Apr 26 21:58:41 <DocScrutinizer> see http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/
Apr 26 21:58:57 <openess> Next step is trying a different computer, I'm copying the files right now
Apr 26 21:59:20 <DocScrutinizer> carefully read thru http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting
Apr 26 21:59:55 <DocScrutinizer> nah, read the whole complete friggin wikipage!
Apr 26 22:00:41 <cehteh> troubleshouting :)
Apr 26 22:00:44 <DocScrutinizer> unable to enum - usually means bad cable or similar crap
Apr 26 22:03:24 <openess> I feel like I've read that wiki over and over, I've been dreading this flash for over a month. fearing doing something wrong -_-'
Apr 26 22:04:07 <openess> If my other computer doesn't do it I'll try another cable..
Apr 26 22:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> try another OS
Apr 26 22:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> ubuntu?
Apr 26 22:13:54 <DocScrutinizer> just a wild guess - just everybody with such problems had ubuntu
Apr 26 22:14:26 <DocScrutinizer> ooh archlinux
Apr 26 22:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> whatever that is :-)
Apr 26 22:15:25 <cityLights> can you pls look at this idea http://i52.tinypic.com/23ma42x.png
Apr 26 22:15:35 <cityLights> can I optimize this?
Apr 26 22:16:48 <pupnik> hmm?
Apr 26 22:16:58 <SpeedEvil> cityLights: http://hdapk.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/flowchart-pulled-over.jpg
Apr 26 22:17:58 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: looks about right
Apr 26 22:18:36 <cityLights> my mate told me to simply it by deciding after waking up
Apr 26 22:19:23 <cityLights> SpeedEvil: nice
Apr 26 22:20:16 <cityLights> I mean I must wake up and toggle the profile, then calculate the sleep duration again
Apr 26 22:20:59 <cityLights> pupnik: I want my phone to move to silent when I am in a meeting
Apr 26 22:20:59 <pupnik> find -mtime rules
Apr 26 22:21:14 <pupnik> cityLights: set profile to silent?
Apr 26 22:21:31 <cityLights> let my phone figure this out
Apr 26 22:22:05 <pupnik> i'm curious about people whose lives use calendars :)
Apr 26 22:22:07 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: you could check current state (i.e. last event: start/end of meeting), then unconditionally set the profile accordingly, wind the timer for next event whatever it is, and go to sleep
Apr 26 22:22:58 <cityLights> right
Apr 26 22:23:39 <cityLights> must I remeber the last profile I had , before setting up the timer?
Apr 26 22:23:55 <DocScrutinizer> if you're using e.g alarmed for the timer, you don't even have to code a daemon
Apr 26 22:24:01 <cityLights> I mean , as long as I wake up - I can toggle
Apr 26 22:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> just build a simple execute and quit program
Apr 26 22:24:36 <cityLights> I am using gobject.timeout_add() but alarmd is the next option
Apr 26 22:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> aalarmed, not alarmd
Apr 26 22:25:21 <DocScrutinizer> -a
Apr 26 22:25:59 <cityLights> alarmed
Apr 26 22:26:13 <cityLights> I use python
Apr 26 22:26:36 <cityLights> how to event.alarm_action_set_exec_command("/usr/sbin/myAwesomeCommand.sh"); in python?
Apr 26 22:26:58 <cityLights> .alarm_action_set_exec_command doent exist in import alarm
Apr 26 22:31:37 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py --help
Apr 26 22:31:39 <DocScrutinizer> Usage: alarmed.py -C -L
Apr 26 22:31:40 <DocScrutinizer>    or: alarmed.py -C -D [ID]
Apr 26 22:31:42 <DocScrutinizer>    or: alarmed.py -C -T [TITLE] -R [ID]
Apr 26 22:32:18 <cityLights> help(alarm) has too much info - I seek an example
Apr 26 22:32:33 <DocScrutinizer>   -z 'DATE', --date='DATE'
Apr 26 22:32:35 <DocScrutinizer>                         Set the date using coreutils date syntax, for example
Apr 26 22:32:36 <DocScrutinizer>                         'now +5 minutes'
Apr 26 22:32:37 <cityLights> that can issue a command
Apr 26 22:32:54 <cityLights> hmm
Apr 26 22:32:58 <cehteh> whats the max file size on the n900 FAT filesystem? 2GB right..or was it 4GB?
Apr 26 22:33:02 <DocScrutinizer>   -E 'COMMAND', --exec='COMMAND'
Apr 26 22:33:03 <DocScrutinizer>                         Schedule a command execution. Make sure to enclose the
Apr 26 22:33:05 <DocScrutinizer>                         command in quotes!
Apr 26 22:33:26 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: 2 afaik
Apr 26 22:34:09 <cehteh> 4093908	Germany (Big).squash .. so no chance then :P .. would be nice fit for 4GB
Apr 26 22:34:23 <openess> this probarbly has something to do with hardware, because I got a new errormessage just "redoing" it a bunch of times
Apr 26 22:34:34 <cehteh> works well when squashed .. i cant notice slowdown
Apr 26 22:34:39 <openess> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 053.
Apr 26 22:34:42 <openess> Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy
Apr 26 22:34:55 <cehteh> lets route through germany
Apr 26 22:35:02 <DocScrutinizer> carefully read thru http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting
Apr 26 22:36:36 <cehteh> works :)
Apr 26 22:37:53 <openess> well, yes. I just wanted to let you know that you were probably right about it comming down to a "bad cable or similar crap"
Apr 26 22:40:29 <pupnik> a gallon of gasoline is so cheap now
Apr 26 22:40:33 <pupnik> less than 8 cents
Apr 26 22:40:39 <pupnik> if you have a real silver dime
Apr 26 22:42:05 <cityLights> by bye
Apr 26 22:46:34 <openess> No sucess yet. I'm giving up for today. It's the middle of the night
Apr 26 22:46:35 <openess> bye
Apr 26 23:00:25 <clmbr> Hey all...is anybody familiar w/ water damaged N900. The device has been disassembled and dried out. But the screen is very dark and almost unusable?
Apr 26 23:01:27 <SpeedEvil> How have you dried it out?
Apr 26 23:01:33 <SpeedEvil> And was it clean water?
Apr 26 23:02:03 <SpeedEvil> And how long between getting wet and removingthe battery
Apr 26 23:02:27 <kerio> removing the battery is vital
Apr 26 23:02:39 <kerio> second vital thing is cleaning everything with distilled water, i guess
Apr 26 23:02:46 <clmbr> as son as i retrived it from the toliet
Apr 26 23:02:56 <SpeedEvil> DIstilled water isn't really very critical - clean is
Apr 26 23:03:10 <SpeedEvil> Pre or post-flush?
Apr 26 23:03:14 <SpeedEvil> Was the water clear?
Apr 26 23:03:27 <clmbr> pre
Apr 26 23:03:53 <kerio> ew
Apr 26 23:04:04 <clmbr> excuse me-- i mean befor my business
Apr 26 23:04:22 <kerio> whew
Apr 26 23:04:25 <kerio> then it shouldn't be a big problem
Apr 26 23:04:41 <kerio> clmbr: how long did you wait?
Apr 26 23:04:58 <clmbr> just seconds maybe 5-10
Apr 26 23:06:21 <SpeedEvil> How did you try it?
Apr 26 23:06:28 <kerio> no, i mean
Apr 26 23:06:41 <kerio> how much time did you wait before considering it dried?
Apr 26 23:06:54 <SpeedEvil> dry it
Apr 26 23:07:01 <clmbr> I took it apart and dried it with cotton balls and put it in a dry enviro for 30 ish hrs
Apr 26 23:07:21 <clmbr> the device was on when it fell =/
Apr 26 23:07:31 <SpeedEvil> dry environment?
Apr 26 23:07:36 <SpeedEvil> 30h isn't really enough IMO
Apr 26 23:07:51 <SpeedEvil> Consider that the water can get into all of those little cans, and has rto evaporate
Apr 26 23:08:03 <SpeedEvil> 30h@50C - maybe
Apr 26 23:09:48 <clmbr> in the sun, and at night time i placed an electric heater blowing hot air onto the parts, on a towel. It powers on no telephone functions & the screen is very very dark--could it be a digitizer?
Apr 26 23:15:18 <SpeedEvil> Do you mean that the backlight is nonfunctional?
Apr 26 23:15:58 <pupnik> anyone living in german do not buy "aro" brand "salsa hot dip" - niemals kaufen
Apr 26 23:16:11 <pupnik> the first three ingredients: water, sugar, tomato paste ...
Apr 26 23:17:16 <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/441874106-fiber-clothes-fashion-clothes-factory-directly-sell-Fiber-optic-clothes-2011-hot-clothes-wholesalers.html
Apr 26 23:18:03 <SpeedEvil> oops - wrong channel
Apr 26 23:25:28 <clmbr> yes no backlight or the backlight is damaged, not sure if it is actually the screen or the digitizer itself?
Apr 26 23:32:25 <kwtm> This is interesting.  The line "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle-1.3 free non-free" works if it appears in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager but it doesn't work if I stick it in another file, like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/SomeOtherFile
Apr 27 00:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> clmbr: thoroughly rinse with clean water, then with pure alcohol. Then dry for AT LEAST one week, at increased temperature (I always suggest fan of your PC)
Apr 27 00:39:23 <DocScrutinizer> oh, I forgot: use canned pressurized air to blow away the liquids from mainboard
Apr 27 00:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> consider there are BGA chips that are like 20*20mm, with several hundered conatct balls that are soldered to the PCB, and the gap between chip case and PCB is <0.1mm
Apr 27 00:42:07 <DocScrutinizer> takes a while for water to dry when it got in there, shorting those balls
Apr 27 00:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> inserting battery too early will cause electrolytic damage to the metals there, and device is definitely broken once some important part is eroded
Apr 27 00:44:48 <DocScrutinizer> water inside LCD may cause backlight dispenser get very darkish
Apr 27 00:45:20 <DocScrutinizer> no chance to dry that even in weeks
Apr 27 00:49:23 <kwtm> Oh oh.  Someone's N900 got wet?
Apr 27 00:49:55 <kwtm> Oh, wait, "rinse with clean water".  Something worse than water got into someone's N900?
Apr 27 00:50:08 <DocScrutinizer> read [2011-04-27 01:00:08] <clmbr> Hey all...is anybody familiar w/ water damaged N900. The device has been disassembled and dried out. But the screen is very dark and almost unusable? << ff
Apr 27 00:51:29 <kwtm> Ahh... sorry to hear that.  Oh, I see.  Agree with DocScrutinizer re: water; and use distilled if possible (avoiding electrolytes).
Apr 27 00:52:23 <DocScrutinizer> alcohol greatly reduces drying time
Apr 27 00:52:40 <kwtm> True.  Hard to get pure alcohol (not sure where you live) but we do have 90% which is probably ok.
Apr 27 00:53:01 <kwtm> On that note, are N900's still for sale?  I myself am planning ahead for when/if my own N900 gets damaged.
Apr 27 00:53:04 <DocScrutinizer> yep, everything >70% is hygroscopic afaik
Apr 27 00:53:18 <kwtm> Now that Nokia's not really coming out with a successor, and I'm not sure Samsung's Linux Phone is coming out.
Apr 27 00:53:42 <DocScrutinizer> there should be new ones on ebay still
Apr 27 00:54:45 <kwtm> Man, maybe --just maybe-- I should buy myself an extra one.  Should be able to get a tax writeoff, and I'm just thinking of the day when mine falls out of a moving car or something, and I already dumped my old Treo 650.
Apr 27 00:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> I dropped mine a few days ago, and then even stepped on it :-o
Apr 27 00:58:37 <DocScrutinizer> now the metal frame has quite a few scars
Apr 27 00:59:53 <SpeedEvil> I've only stepped gently on mine.
Apr 27 01:00:21 <SpeedEvil> It has no scars, as it's living in a nasty crystal case.
Apr 27 01:01:26 <nox-> heh amazon germany still has them too
Apr 27 01:02:34 <kwtm> I put mine in an Otter case.  Anyone have experience with that?  It looks pretty rugged, but I'm still worried about screen cracks.
Apr 27 01:02:51 <SpeedEvil> You can get spare LCDs
Apr 27 01:03:15 <kwtm> SpeedEvil: nasty crystal?  You mean it covers the screen, too?  Ohh.. spare parts for N900 would dry up pretty soon, though, wouldn't it?  It's not a standard part like a microUSB charger...
Apr 27 01:03:28 <SpeedEvil> No - it doesn't cover the screen
Apr 27 01:03:36 <kwtm> Oh, right, duhhh... touch screen.
Apr 27 01:04:02 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-N-900-Crystal-Cover-Hard-Case-LCD-Film-/150593087416?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item23100c27b8
Apr 27 01:04:11 <SpeedEvil> With a screen protector too.
Apr 27 01:04:34 <SpeedEvil> Which Ineed to change as I got my keys in wrong pocket again
Apr 27 01:04:40 <SpeedEvil> Or it may have been screws
Apr 27 01:05:17 <kwtm> Wait... that's not real, is it?  that web site?  crystal case for one UKP?
Apr 27 01:05:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 27 01:05:50 <SpeedEvil> 2.98 - shipping too
Apr 27 01:05:54 <kwtm> Aww, it's even in Hong Kong.  We could just walk over and buy it from the guy.
Apr 27 01:06:00 <kwtm> If we were in Hong Kong
Apr 27 01:06:04 <kwtm> visiting the in-laws.
Apr 27 01:06:56 <SpeedEvil> http://phones.shop.ebay.co.uk/Replacement-Parts-Tools-/43304/i.html?_nkw=n900+lcd&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282
Apr 27 01:13:24 <uhsf> Sony should have chosen MeeGo for their upcoming S1 and S2 devices. It would have distinguished them much more than some funky hardware designs. Android is so lame.
Apr 27 02:06:54 <GeneralAntilles> uhsf, yes.
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