**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 28 02:59:58 2011
Apr 28 03:41:26 <penguinbait> I got it a long time ago GA :)
Apr 28 03:44:29 <GAN900> penguinbait, will be interesting to see what Maemo people actually make the cut.
Apr 28 03:45:52 <penguinbait> GA, I have no clue what your talking about :)
Apr 28 03:46:15 <penguinbait> what cut?
Apr 28 03:49:34 <GAN900> penguinbait, the sponsorship cut.
Apr 28 03:50:48 <penguinbait> for what event?
Apr 28 03:54:28 <Tronic> Is it possible to make mmcblk1 automount work with ext3?
Apr 28 03:54:54 <Tronic> It complains about unsupported format and I have to mount manually.
Apr 28 04:01:27 <GAN900> penguinbait, MeeGoConfSF
Apr 28 04:28:17 * Dhraakellian wonders why he's been getting the red-slashed sim card icon in his statusbar in the last day or so
Apr 28 04:30:04 <pupnik> not seen
Apr 28 04:31:28 <Dhraakellian> not a contstant thing, but I'll see it when, for instance, I pull the phone out of my pocket
Apr 28 04:54:37 <ShadowJK> Dhraakellian, it'll get worse
Apr 28 04:55:54 <Dhraakellian> ShadowJK: explicate?
Apr 28 04:56:37 <ShadowJK> Well myself and others have experienced it
Apr 28 04:56:58 <Dhraakellian> any known solution/work-around?
Apr 28 04:57:13 <ShadowJK> If yours does the same as mine, it'll do the red-slashed sim card icon when taking out of pocket for a few weeks or so, and then eventually it'll be hard to make it actually work
Apr 28 04:57:21 <ShadowJK> the cellular modem
Apr 28 04:57:28 <Dhraakellian> tanj
Apr 28 04:57:42 <ShadowJK> I had mine in for repairs. On second go they replaced it with a new
Apr 28 04:57:55 <Dhraakellian> was hoping it was something fixable with a new sim
Apr 28 04:58:06 <Dhraakellian> since I got my n900 used off of ebay
Apr 28 04:58:10 <Dhraakellian> = no warranty
Apr 28 04:59:23 <Dhraakellian> any non-n900 phones out there capable of running meego currently?
Apr 28 05:00:04 <Dhraakellian> 'cause, if the cellular modem fails, I might not have to worry about T-mo going the way of the subjugated dodo
Apr 28 05:04:12 <chx> Dhraakellian: the other Meego running phones are held hostage by the fairies and unicorns.
Apr 28 05:04:47 <Dhraakellian> f@$#^% fairies and unicorns
Apr 28 05:04:54 <EdLin> Dhraakellian the HTC HD2 can run meego, after a fashion.
Apr 28 05:05:12 <Dhraakellian> stone them to death with WP7 devices
Apr 28 05:05:42 <Dhraakellian> hmm
Apr 28 05:05:56 <Dhraakellian> EdLin: like the n900 can run Android, after a fashion?
Apr 28 05:08:21 <RST38h> "A team of researchers in Italy are on the hunt to find the real Mona Lisa."
Apr 28 05:08:29 <EdLin> Dhraakellian yeah, though the HD2 runs Android fine.
Apr 28 05:08:44 <RST38h> "That lawn mower looking machine they're holding is actually a geo-radar device that will scan the ground to locate the skull of the mysterious woman"
Apr 28 05:09:23 <Dhraakellian> RST38h: meaning the one that doesn't have "THIS IS A FAKE" sharpied under the paint in Tom Baker's handwriting?
Apr 28 05:09:37 <Dhraakellian> oh
Apr 28 05:22:58 <RST38h> You mean the skull?
Apr 28 06:01:43 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/28/supreme_court_class_action_decision/
Apr 28 06:29:29 <peb_> ~pr1.4
Apr 28 06:29:30 <infobot> PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject
Apr 28 06:29:47 <peb_> OK bot, but is it out or not ....
Apr 28 06:30:41 <psycho_oreos> that's a rather stupid question
Apr 28 06:31:42 <timeless> good morning (ugt)
Apr 28 06:32:06 <timeless> did i miss anything at all exciting?
Apr 28 06:33:43 <psycho_oreos> apart from a rather stupid question about PR1.4 :)
Apr 28 06:37:50 <peb_> Stupidity is always a matter of position ...
Apr 28 06:40:57 <mece> timeless, well there is some amazing footage of tornado in alabama.
Apr 28 06:42:07 <timeless> mece: good thing i wsn't nn alabama :)
Apr 28 06:42:16 <mece> timeless, are you from alabama?
Apr 28 06:42:39 <timeless> s/wsn't nn/wasn't in/
Apr 28 06:42:39 <infobot> timeless meant: mece: good thing i wasn't in alabama :)
Apr 28 06:42:53 <mece> anyway, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ohIVzIZLuQ
Apr 28 06:43:04 <timeless> nope
Apr 28 06:44:41 <timeless> oh, right, i forgot some idiot tried to use my email address w/ PSN
Apr 28 07:44:09 <khertan> Morning
Apr 28 08:05:11 <achipa> geez.... who bases their sessions not on page loads but actual SAVES of stuff you're working on ?
Apr 28 08:18:50 <niv_> seen ~shapeshifter
Apr 28 08:18:58 <niv_> ~seen shapeshifter
Apr 28 08:19:06 <infobot> shapeshifter <~Shapeshif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 1h 36m 30s ago, saying: '1'000'000'.
Apr 28 09:03:21 <jpinx> anyone know a how-to for making my n900 GPRS connection work in my Eeepc running XP?
Apr 28 09:04:55 <Appiah> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
Apr 28 09:05:32 <jpinx> Appiah: thanks :)  looking....
Apr 28 09:07:58 <psycho_oreos> its called nokia pc suite
Apr 28 09:08:26 <ruskie> yup
Apr 28 09:12:51 <psycho_oreos> ruskie, ever thought about implementing yaffs/yaffs2 on n900? just a curious question out of the blues
Apr 28 09:47:36 <chem|st> morning
Apr 28 09:48:27 <chem|st> jpinx: also direct wifi connection could do to your needs
Apr 28 09:52:39 <jpinx> chem|st: I am asked to install MADDE but there is nothing of that name
Apr 28 09:53:41 <chem|st> jpinx: ehrm MADDE is for direct development importent, what/who asks for it?
Apr 28 09:54:11 <chem|st> s/importent/important/
Apr 28 09:54:11 <infobot> chem|st meant: jpinx: ehrm MADDE is for direct development important, what/who asks for it?
Apr 28 09:54:37 <chem|st> ~botsnack
Apr 28 09:54:38 <infobot> aw, gee, chem|st
Apr 28 09:54:55 <jpinx> that page in the wik
Apr 28 09:55:23 <jpinx> Appiah: pointed me to it
Apr 28 09:56:42 <jpinx> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
Apr 28 09:57:09 <chem|st> jpinx: ah yes for windows... ehrm actualy no idea of the windows setup but I guess the wiki is right
Apr 28 09:57:33 <chem|st> jpinx: but you do good by just installing Nokia PC Suite
Apr 28 09:58:16 <chem|st> as you do not need __real__ usbnetworking
Apr 28 09:58:23 <chem|st> _real_
Apr 28 09:58:47 * chem|st is hung on the wiki syntax, still
Apr 28 09:59:24 <chem|st> you want to give your eepc gprs network via n900, right?
Apr 28 10:00:58 <jpinx> chem|st: I am trying to get the eeepc to connect through the n900 gprs
Apr 28 10:01:01 <chem|st> jpinx: http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe
Apr 28 10:01:27 <chem|st> jpinx: you don't need to hack an usbconnection on windows
Apr 28 10:01:53 <jpinx> chem|st: ok what do I do?
Apr 28 10:02:23 <chem|st> usbnetworking like the wiki describes is needed if you got no wifi to ssh to n900 to do devel stuff in the first place
Apr 28 10:02:47 <chem|st> jpinx: just install pc suite, it should have all needed functionality you need
Apr 28 10:02:59 <Appiah> install pc suite
Apr 28 10:03:04 <Appiah> click the big button that says connect
Apr 28 10:03:44 <jacekowski> top right corner
Apr 28 10:04:05 <chem|st> jpinx: that is setup free afair, you could also use windows tools and use the modem _by-hand_
Apr 28 10:04:08 <jacekowski> then you click on spanner button as network autodetection ussualy fails
Apr 28 10:04:18 <jpinx> install pcsuite on which
Apr 28 10:04:23 <jacekowski> laptop
Apr 28 10:04:37 <chem|st> jpinx: the link here: http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe
Apr 28 10:04:43 <psycho_oreos> on windows
Apr 28 10:06:41 <jpinx> chem|st: I click that link and a browser opens but nothing has happened
Apr 28 10:07:19 <psycho_oreos> you're supposed to be able to download a file
Apr 28 10:07:38 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: ^^
Apr 28 10:08:12 <psycho_oreos> probably you have some malicious file blocker, script blocker or god knows what is on your windows setup lol
Apr 28 10:08:13 <jpinx> no download offered
Apr 28 10:08:26 <chem|st> jpinx: http://www.nokia.de/service-und-software/software/nokia-pc-suite-o1/download#download
Apr 28 10:08:27 <psycho_oreos> I got a prompt asking me what to do with the file
Apr 28 10:08:32 <chem|st> try that and pick yourself
Apr 28 10:08:42 * jpinx is using the e n900
Apr 28 10:08:51 <chem|st> jpinx: use your laptop
Apr 28 10:08:54 <jpinx> not xp
Apr 28 10:09:31 <psycho_oreos> even then on the microB it should still ask you what to do with the file iinm
Apr 28 10:09:34 <chem|st> jpinx: or open up an xterm type "cd MyDocs" enter "wget http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe"
Apr 28 10:09:51 <psycho_oreos> well you've been told to use your eeepc
Apr 28 10:10:57 <jpinx> chem|st: that's the point - I can't
Apr 28 10:11:08 <chem|st> jpinx: xterm is installed
Apr 28 10:11:15 <chem|st> jpinx: pre-installed
Apr 28 10:11:18 <jacekowski> then download that file on a phone
Apr 28 10:11:33 <chem|st> jpinx: wget too
Apr 28 10:11:40 <jacekowski> and then connect to laptop in mass storage mode
Apr 28 10:11:46 <jacekowski> and then install
Apr 28 10:12:22 <chem|st> jacekowski: ehrm the laptop needs network to install the webinstaller...
Apr 28 10:12:53 <jpinx> sheeshj
Apr 28 10:13:21 <jacekowski> no that webinstaller is offline installer
Apr 28 10:13:27 <chem|st> jpinx: connect via wifi...
Apr 28 10:13:36 <chem|st> jacekowski: is it?
Apr 28 10:13:55 <jacekowski> yeah
Apr 28 10:13:58 <jacekowski> it is
Apr 28 10:14:00 <chem|st> ok
Apr 28 10:14:00 <jpinx> no wifi here only gprs
Apr 28 10:14:05 <jacekowski> 34M
Apr 28 10:14:32 <psycho_oreos> I wonder if the case would be any simpler had you went to nokia care and get them to give you a copy of nokia pc suite. They normally provide that at least with my old n95-1
Apr 28 10:14:42 <chem|st> jpinx: download the file via n900, transfer it in masstoragemode to your laptop and install
Apr 28 10:15:18 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: my closest Ncare is about 80km away^^
Apr 28 10:15:42 <jpinx> whichm  file ?
Apr 28 10:15:51 <chem|st> jpinx: the link I gave
Apr 28 10:15:53 <chem|st> http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_PC_Suite_eng_us_web.exe
Apr 28 10:15:56 <chem|st> thios file
Apr 28 10:16:00 <chem|st> dios mio
Apr 28 10:16:24 <jpinx> my closest nokia care is about 500kms
Apr 28 10:16:42 <chem|st> jpinx: you could tell that a parkingmeter!
Apr 28 10:16:51 <chem|st> jpinx: stay focused
Apr 28 10:17:04 <jpinx> chem|st: chplease be with me on my stuttering gprs connection
Apr 28 10:17:11 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, you could probably just phone them up and order it lol
Apr 28 10:17:22 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: nice idea...
Apr 28 10:17:46 <chem|st> jpinx: you need to download that file and I told you a way to do it...
Apr 28 10:18:02 <psycho_oreos> and for me 80km would be a bit of a nice driving trip :D
Apr 28 10:18:54 <chem|st> jpinx: and be patient with the browser it takes sometimes a few seconds to popup the download dialog and if you touch the screen ahead you wont see it, on gprs it can take even longer
Apr 28 10:18:59 <jpinx> chem|st: clicked your link....
Apr 28 10:19:42 <psycho_oreos> should install that cpu monitoring widget. It gives you a good indication when the cpu is busy and you need to be patient
Apr 28 10:20:08 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: doesnt help if hildon-desktop freezes too...
Apr 28 10:20:29 <jpinx> psycho_oreos: i have it ...  it it always in the red
Apr 28 10:20:45 <chem|st> jpinx: has the download started?
Apr 28 10:21:17 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, that'll come with experience :) at least with cssu, the issue isn't as apparent but of course its inevitable that it will still freeze
Apr 28 10:21:54 <jpinx> chem|st: no :(
Apr 28 10:22:07 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: yeah most of the time hildon-desktop doesn't freeze... most of the time abook browser or hildon-home are going wild
Apr 28 10:22:16 <chem|st> jpinx: close the browser
Apr 28 10:22:21 <chem|st> jpinx: open xterm
Apr 28 10:22:43 <jpinx> ok
Apr 28 10:22:44 <psycho_oreos> jpinx, seems like you may have other processes hogging the cpu unnecessarily
Apr 28 10:23:15 <chem|st> jpinx: is the n900 connected via usb?
Apr 28 10:23:33 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, well random hogging yeah, though mind you the cssu fix is still far better than nothing :D
Apr 28 10:23:51 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: true, but still to be improved
Apr 28 10:24:17 <chem|st> hildon-home is still a pain
Apr 28 10:24:35 <jpinx> chem|st: connected to eeepc by usb and to internet by gprs
Apr 28 10:24:37 <jpinx> I am using remtote shell for irssi
Apr 28 10:24:44 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, hurry up and become a developer, join the team! ;)
Apr 28 10:24:50 <chem|st> jpinx: that is why you cannot download anything
Apr 28 10:25:00 <jpinx> why
Apr 28 10:25:09 <chem|st> the browser has no device to download to as usb exports all user space
Apr 28 10:25:21 <cityLights> did anyone saw shapeshifter , the guy that wrote alarmed?
Apr 28 10:25:47 <jpinx> chem|st: ok unplugging usb
Apr 28 10:25:50 <psycho_oreos> he appears every now and then a few months back
Apr 28 10:25:51 <chem|st> ~seen Shapeshifter
Apr 28 10:25:59 <infobot> shapeshifter <~Shapeshif@unaffiliated/shapeshifter> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 42d 3h 43m 23s ago, saying: '1'000'000'.
Apr 28 10:26:03 <cityLights> I need help in understanding how he reffers to an object named eventInfo ,while it wasnt annouced
Apr 28 10:26:31 <cityLights> can I ask a python question?
Apr 28 10:26:41 <chem|st> jpinx: look if the filebrowser shows anything
Apr 28 10:26:48 <chem|st> cityLights: anytime
Apr 28 10:26:59 <chem|st> ~ask
Apr 28 10:27:00 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Apr 28 10:27:26 <psycho_oreos> python is probably better asked in #python if you can't get help here.
Apr 28 10:27:57 <chem|st> jpinx: if your internal storage shows just try the link again
Apr 28 10:28:10 <cityLights> min , let me get the code online
Apr 28 10:31:28 <cityLights> kindly look at http://dpaste.com/536711/
Apr 28 10:31:40 <cityLights> by the way is it ok to email him?
Apr 28 10:32:07 <cityLights> I can't find a line stating that eventInfo is indead a class
Apr 28 10:32:36 <jpinx> chem|st: downloading 37 - odd Mbs will take a few days for me :(
Apr 28 10:32:43 <cityLights> and so how come in line 329 it is eventInfo["enabled"] = 1
Apr 28 10:32:45 <chem|st> jpinx: yes
Apr 28 10:33:05 <cityLights> no one created eventInfo yet
Apr 28 10:33:08 <chem|st> jpinx: so you learned some new stuff today...
Apr 28 10:34:56 <jpinx> chem|st: not really - I' take the link to a cafe and transfer it by USB stick
Apr 28 10:34:58 <yacc> Wondering is there a way to make the N900 pull more than 100mA on an non-microusb-compliant USB plug via software?
Apr 28 10:35:14 <jpinx> thanks for the pointer
Apr 28 10:35:38 <jpinx> Chewtoy: Not Found
Apr 28 10:35:55 <jpinx> The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it
Apr 28 10:36:03 <cityLights> o that is a dict - sorry
Apr 28 10:36:09 <SpeedEvil> yacc: One easy way iswithahackedcable
Apr 28 10:36:29 <chem|st> yacc: trick the host
Apr 28 10:36:34 <jpinx> chem|st:
Apr 28 10:36:59 * jpinx abandons the remote host irssi
Apr 28 10:37:25 <chem|st> jpinx: ?
Apr 28 10:37:31 <yacc> SpeedEvil, ?
Apr 28 10:37:55 <yacc> chem|st, The host? Hard to do with a 12V USB plug, ...
Apr 28 10:39:21 <chem|st> jpinx-away: http://tinyurl.com/nn35lw
Apr 28 10:39:32 <chem|st> yacc: ouch
Apr 28 10:40:05 <chem|st> yacc: what SpeedEvil means is to build a charger cable
Apr 28 10:40:17 <chem|st> crossed data lines
Apr 28 10:40:21 <yacc> chem|st, on my PC it seems to charge fine, ...
Apr 28 10:40:30 <yacc> chem|st, url?
Apr 28 10:40:40 <yacc> of a howto?
Apr 28 10:40:44 <chem|st> yacc: on some bulk chargers it doesn't charge at all
Apr 28 10:41:03 <yacc> Well it does the 100mA thing on my car charger, ...
Apr 28 10:41:17 * yacc hates typing with one hand.
Apr 28 10:41:33 <chem|st> yacc: no idea
Apr 28 10:41:59 <chem|st> yacc: my orig. nokia charger does more than 100mA
Apr 28 10:42:23 <chem|st> a charger usb port on a car adptor does not charge at all
Apr 28 10:43:09 <yacc> chem|st, in my case it does, but not enough to prevent it from powering down, but powered down, it shows the orange led.
Apr 28 10:45:53 <SpeedEvil> yacc: Take a 10cm or so extender cable.
Apr 28 10:45:58 <SpeedEvil> Now, cut it carefully open
Apr 28 10:46:27 <SpeedEvil> trim off the white and green wires from the 'input' side - and insulate. Join the white and green on the 'output' side and insulate.
Apr 28 10:46:32 <SpeedEvil> Insulate the whole thing.
Apr 28 11:04:18 <khertan> yacc: i ve a radioplayer which read usb mass storage
Apr 28 11:04:24 <khertan> and it s enought
Apr 28 11:04:41 <khertan> for 3g + gps
Apr 28 12:04:01 <RST38h> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/transistor-aging/0
Apr 28 12:23:41 <cityLights> here is a question.
Apr 28 12:24:13 <cityLights> in alarmed the gui interface for libalarm. the program keeps files for each event
Apr 28 12:24:25 <cityLights> can't I just access the device and query it?
Apr 28 12:24:31 <khertan> nope
Apr 28 12:24:48 <khertan> the best way is to parse the conf file
Apr 28 12:25:00 <khertan> really usefull lib ? yeah :)
Apr 28 12:25:43 <cityLights> I use a event to run my program. but in case I quit the program I need to remove the event. for thatmust I have the cookie?
Apr 28 12:34:49 <cityLights> hi etrunko
Apr 28 12:35:19 <etrunko> hi cityLights
Apr 28 12:35:39 <cityLights> in libalarm , must I have a cookie o remove an event?
Apr 28 12:46:00 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, hey
Apr 28 12:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> wazzup?
Apr 28 12:49:11 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i'm stupid >_<
Apr 28 12:49:34 <Shapeshifter> who's Niv
Apr 28 12:58:29 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i emailed order of microusb to mousers israel contact email from website and today i called them to ask what's going on and they just told me i emailed wrong place =)
Apr 28 12:58:52 <ZogG> re-ordered eerything and got one from ebay as well but ebay's one sucks. gonna wait more
Apr 28 12:59:03 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, i need to ask you a favor
Apr 28 12:59:19 <lolcat_> ZogG: You are ordering microusb port for n900?
Apr 28 13:00:01 <ZogG> lolcat_ yes
Apr 28 13:00:11 <ZogG> netsplit \o/
Apr 28 13:00:13 <ZogG> yay
Apr 28 13:00:15 <lolcat_> Mine ir b0rked
Apr 28 13:00:26 <lolcat_> You can have mine :P
Apr 28 13:03:23 <lolcat> ZogG: I think I will buy a new N900 next week
Apr 28 13:03:39 <lolcat> Unless it comes a new decent phone
Apr 28 13:04:29 <ZogG> lolcat if yours is broken why would i need another broken one =)
Apr 28 13:04:36 <auenfx4> get a hd2/hd7 and run ubuntu on it?
Apr 28 13:04:50 <ZogG> auenfx4 get a girlfriend and life =P
Apr 28 13:05:03 <auenfx4> far too busy for either of them
Apr 28 13:05:13 <lolcat> hd2/hd7?
Apr 28 13:05:18 <lolcat> I hope I get a refund
Apr 28 13:05:22 <lolcat> $1000 xD
Apr 28 13:05:25 <luke-jr> why would you get a N900 at this point? O.o
Apr 28 13:05:52 <lolcat> THere is no other decent phones in the world :(
Apr 28 13:06:39 <lolcat> luke-jr: Or is there?
Apr 28 13:06:53 <luke-jr> lolcat: N900 isn't a phone
Apr 28 13:07:26 <luke-jr> lolcat: if I were looking for a replacement, I'd look at the high-end phones with QWERTY and research which I can install Gentoo on
Apr 28 13:07:48 <lolcat> luke-jr: Can you mention another debian based uppc that has phone capabilities?
Apr 28 13:07:55 <lolcat> Can gentoo send sms and call?
Apr 28 13:08:19 <luke-jr> shrug
Apr 28 13:09:09 * ZogG mp> south.park.s15e01.hdtv.xvid-fqm.avi [624x352 XVID 23.976fps]
Apr 28 13:09:13 <ZogG> \o/
Apr 28 13:09:48 <lolcat> I guess I could do with a normal ultra-mobile computer if it could take a sim and have mobile broadband
Apr 28 13:12:57 <lolcat> I hate nokia for not making any more phones with maemo
Apr 28 13:13:01 <ZogG> i need help
Apr 28 13:13:03 <lolcat> I want dual core and 1gb ram
Apr 28 13:13:35 <ZogG> i need someone to buy inside battery (about 1$) and send me and i'll palpay
Apr 28 13:29:04 <clasificado> Hi all
Apr 28 13:38:12 <lolcat> clasificado: Hello
Apr 28 14:00:12 <lolcat> THeoretically, could I just replace the cpu/ram in my n900 with a dual core 1gb one?
Apr 28 14:01:34 <timeless_xchat> a dual core arm cpu?
Apr 28 14:01:43 <lolcat> yes
Apr 28 14:01:47 <lolcat> they exsist
Apr 28 14:01:57 <timeless_xchat> that has exactly the same supported interface?
Apr 28 14:02:16 <timeless_xchat> and the same power consumption statistics?
Apr 28 14:02:20 <timeless_xchat> \ profile
Apr 28 14:02:47 <timeless_xchat> theoretically you can do anything you want to do
Apr 28 14:03:12 <lolcat> Ok, replace the battery to
Apr 28 14:03:18 <lolcat> But can this realisticly be done?
Apr 28 14:03:26 <timeless_xchat> at least in the intel world, it's common for newer chips to use a different socket
Apr 28 14:03:44 <timeless_xchat> which makes upgrades impractical w/o tossing out the motherboard
Apr 28 14:04:18 <timeless_xchat> arm is generally done more as SoC
Apr 28 14:04:58 <timeless_xchat> so your question is more practically stated: if i found a complete hackable phone with better specs, would maemo 5 magically work on it
Apr 28 14:05:14 <timeless_xchat> supporting all of its arbitrarily different components
Apr 28 14:05:40 <timeless_xchat> and presumably you want roughly the same power profile
Apr 28 14:06:24 <lolcat> You would need the same gsm/3g/whatever radio
Apr 28 14:06:31 <timeless_xchat> replacing the battery is different, possible, practical, and has been done by end users
Apr 28 14:06:58 <timeless_xchat> ~soc
Apr 28 14:06:58 <infobot> rumour has it, soc is System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU.
Apr 28 14:07:17 <timeless_xchat> infobot: have a botsnack
Apr 28 14:07:17 <infobot> timeless_xchat: :)
Apr 28 14:08:02 <timeless_xchat> lolcat : do you want this to theoretically be cost effective too?
Apr 28 14:08:32 <lolcat> Yes
Apr 28 14:08:41 <lolcat> Around the cost of a new N900
Apr 28 14:08:44 <lolcat> $1000ish
Apr 28 14:09:31 <timeless_xchat> give me your 1000 USD today, i'll get you something in 12 months
Apr 28 14:09:47 <timeless_xchat> it probably won't be dual core
Apr 28 14:09:48 <lolcat> Can't be 12 months without a phone
Apr 28 14:09:55 <lolcat> Why not?
Apr 28 14:10:05 <timeless_xchat> but it probably will have more ram than your n900
Apr 28 14:10:12 <lolcat> I can replace the debian kernel with a dual core kernel
Apr 28 14:11:02 <timeless_xchat> have you ever performed a successful partial brain transplant on a living  cat?
Apr 28 14:11:09 <lolcat> no
Apr 28 14:11:28 <timeless_xchat> ever wonder why not?
Apr 28 14:11:50 <lolcat> But the kernel is the only thing that needs to support dual-core
Apr 28 14:11:54 <timeless_xchat> it's just a bunch of neurons...
Apr 28 14:11:58 <lolcat> timeless_xchat: Because I dont like cats
Apr 28 14:12:09 <timeless_xchat> how about on a dog?
Apr 28 14:12:17 <lolcat> no
Apr 28 14:12:22 <lolcat> I dont see why I would
Apr 28 14:12:31 * timeless_xchat isn't sure what liking the animal has to do with it
Apr 28 14:12:58 <timeless_xchat> such a process is clearly cruel and involves significant amounts of torture
Apr 28 14:13:33 <timeless_xchat> lolcat : changing your n900's cpu is roughly equivalent to changing part of that cat's brain
Apr 28 14:13:59 <lolcat> timeless_xchat: Do you change tires on Hyundais?
Apr 28 14:14:04 <timeless_xchat> and note we're talking about a *partial* transplant
Apr 28 14:14:21 <lolcat> Maemo *only* runs on the cpu in N900?
Apr 28 14:14:58 <timeless_xchat> the n900 is commercial hardware
Apr 28 14:15:11 <timeless_xchat> it isn't a bread board
Apr 28 14:15:34 <lolcat> So?
Apr 28 14:15:45 <timeless_xchat> but maemo *5* was *tuned* for the n900's specific hardware
Apr 28 14:16:11 <lolcat> Even if my car is tuned for ethanol, I can still use gasoline
Apr 28 14:16:20 <timeless_xchat> it needn't support any component not included in the n900
Apr 28 14:16:23 <GAN900> lolchat, changing tires is like changing your battery.
Apr 28 14:16:37 <lolcat> GAN900: Not like changing the battery?
Apr 28 14:16:42 <timeless_xchat> would your car run on helium?
Apr 28 14:16:49 <timeless_xchat> or heck, diesel?
Apr 28 14:16:50 <GAN900> lolcat, but can your car handle a V8?
Apr 28 14:16:55 <lolcat> GAN900: And that was to make timeless_xchat understand that you don't fix things you don't like
Apr 28 14:17:33 * timeless_xchat fixes phones by changing batteries ("low battery")
Apr 28 14:18:34 <lolcat> timeless_xchat: Can you fix mine? the charger port died
Apr 28 14:19:03 <lolcat> But like
Apr 28 14:19:05 <lolcat> I am upset
Apr 28 14:19:27 <lolcat> the N900 is old, and there is not a single decent device on the market to replace it
Apr 28 14:19:43 <mtnbkr> lolcat: agreed twice.
Apr 28 14:19:53 <achipa> lolcat: soon, soon... (TM)
Apr 28 14:20:16 <lolcat> I will probably get a refund on my N900
Apr 28 14:20:23 <mtnbkr> Nokia sold their soul to the Devil, and we are stuck with DRM, DRM, and more DRM as choices...
Apr 28 14:20:26 <lolcat> But I can't find a single device to replace it
Apr 28 14:21:10 <lolcat> Nothing that is even close
Apr 28 14:21:46 <timeless_xchat> mtnbkr: when was this sale?
Apr 28 14:25:49 <SpeedEvil> lolcat: Have you attempted to get a repair done?
Apr 28 14:26:07 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: I have had two
Apr 28 14:26:21 <lolcat> third strike == refund
Apr 28 14:26:54 <lolcat> SpeedEvil: 950usd back
Apr 28 14:27:12 <SpeedEvil> ah
Apr 28 14:27:47 <timeless_xchat> who paid >800usd for a phone? and why?
Apr 28 14:28:36 <MohammadAG> <---
Apr 28 14:28:47 <MohammadAG> cause Israel's taxes suck
Apr 28 14:29:06 <cityLights> Shapeshifter: ding
Apr 28 14:29:18 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: dong
Apr 28 14:29:22 <khertan> MohammadAG: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/2
Apr 28 14:29:24 <khertan> :)
Apr 28 14:29:29 <cityLights> MohammadAG: Israeli?
Apr 28 14:29:52 <cityLights> Shapeshifter: hi there, and thanks for the alarmed program
Apr 28 14:29:53 <lolcat> timeless_xchat: My insurance company xD
Apr 28 14:29:55 <MohammadAG> No, I just live there
Apr 28 14:30:09 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: sure. you're Niv?
Apr 28 14:30:10 <timeless_xchat> mohammadag: at least you don't have to deal w/ land line service in .IL
Apr 28 14:30:20 <MohammadAG> khertan, cool, can I suggest two things though
Apr 28 14:30:29 <timeless_xchat> historically it took ~2 years to get hooked up
Apr 28 14:30:29 <MohammadAG> khertan, first of all, separate the merge request from the previous one
Apr 28 14:30:37 <cityLights> I found it very helpfull when trying to understand how to use python-alarm
Apr 28 14:30:42 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: if I was to purge the alarmd queue I would be deleting events made by the calendar or internal alarm app.
Apr 28 14:30:48 <MohammadAG> second, wrap it in #ifdef Q_OS_S60 and #else, then we can request a merge upstream
Apr 28 14:31:06 <MohammadAG> timeless_xchat, I do, it sucks
Apr 28 14:31:19 <cityLights> MohammadAG: when are you free for tea?
Apr 28 14:31:28 <MohammadAG> I'm still on a 5MBps line cause only IL areas got optical fibres
Apr 28 14:31:34 <khertan> MohammadAG: i ve included the first merge request in it ?
Apr 28 14:31:57 <khertan> oups indeed ... sorry
Apr 28 14:31:59 <MohammadAG> cityLights, late June, exams starting soon :P
Apr 28 14:32:09 <MohammadAG> khertan, yeah
Apr 28 14:32:17 <MohammadAG> well, exams are a low priority, graduation and stuff aren't
Apr 28 14:32:56 <MohammadAG> khertan, and use #ifdef Q_OS_S60, instead of removing the changes
Apr 28 14:33:00 <cityLights> Shapeshifter: right, I assume that , so what happens if I call action = event.add_actions(1)[0] twice?
Apr 28 14:33:23 * MohammadAG checks if a 10MBps line is available, would be useful for uploading those Qt binaries
Apr 28 14:33:28 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: mhh, I'll have to look at the code real quick...
Apr 28 14:33:49 <cityLights> MohammadAG: pls pm your email so I can keep in touch
Apr 28 14:34:45 <cityLights> I am planing a simple program to silent the device when I am in a meeting then after it ends return it to general
Apr 28 14:35:38 <cityLights> MohammadAG: did you ever meet matan?
Apr 28 14:35:55 <khertan> MohammadAG: hum ... there is a thing i didn't understand : #if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) && defined(QT_NO_FREETYPE)
Apr 28 14:36:07 <khertan> does maemo is defined as Q_OS_SYMBIAN ?
Apr 28 14:36:11 * timeless_xchat waits to fly to CPH
Apr 28 14:36:30 <timeless_xchat> khertan: i sure hope not..
Apr 28 14:37:14 <khertan> so why modifying something inside the defined fix problem
Apr 28 14:37:19 <cityLights> Shapeshifter: I guess I must keep my own track of events I add using my program to be able o remove them if I quit the program
Apr 28 14:38:26 <timeless_xchat> http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/search?string=Q_OS_MAEMO
Apr 28 14:38:45 <timeless_xchat> shows there once was a ...
Apr 28 14:38:46 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: oh, the 'event' is an instance of the alarm.Event() class which is done by Nokia in python-alarm. it's in their gitorious at http://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-alarm You can look at the Event class.
Apr 28 14:39:57 <cityLights> the action = event.add_actions(1)[0] line appears in the test script inside the pkg
Apr 28 14:39:58 <timeless_xchat> http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/search?string=Q_OS_ is an interesting read
Apr 28 14:40:08 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: did I catch that right that you want to develop your own app which does something prior and after some event? e.g. meeting? You're probably better off using python-alarm directly (although their documentation is kinda sparse) rather than look at the alarmed sources
Apr 28 14:40:41 <cityLights> oh I only use import alarm
Apr 28 14:40:50 <Shapeshifter> good
Apr 28 14:41:01 <cityLights> I looked at their test scripts to understand how it works
Apr 28 14:41:17 <cityLights> and your alarmed to get the bigger picture
Apr 28 14:41:34 <cityLights> too bad I can't simple read the alarm device
Apr 28 14:41:50 <cityLights> seems I must keep cookies
Apr 28 14:42:06 <Shapeshifter> what do you mean?=
Apr 28 14:42:21 <Shapeshifter> the queue is kept at /var/cache/alarmd/alarmd-queue.ini or something
Apr 28 14:42:30 <Shapeshifter> cannot remember exactly but it's something like that
Apr 28 14:43:10 <mtnbkr> timeless_xchat: The sale was completed when Nokia decided to go ONLY with windows Phone 7 for all future devices, and phase out Symbian/Maemo/Meego
Apr 28 14:43:18 <mtnbkr> timeless_xchat: just a few weeks back actually.
Apr 28 14:43:27 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: true though that for example in alarmed I keep the event info in a distinct config dir because the queue itself can be full of other stuff from other apps
Apr 28 14:43:41 <timeless_xchat> mtnbkr : hrm, and how does that relate to drm?
Apr 28 14:44:08 <timeless_xchat> and note that "all future devices" is definitely *not* what nokia said
Apr 28 14:44:40 <cityLights> great , so I can read the /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini and look at what my actions do
Apr 28 14:44:56 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: if I guessed correctly, yes
Apr 28 14:45:03 <Shapeshifter> there's a field action_command or something
Apr 28 14:45:03 <mtnbkr> timeless_xchat: re: DRM  all other choices are no where near as open as Maemo and I am not looking forward to the time I need to make a choice
Apr 28 14:45:12 <timeless_xchat> ooh, catering pulled up
Apr 28 14:45:12 <Shapeshifter> or there's dbus calls as well
Apr 28 14:46:13 <cityLights> ok so now I need to understand what event.add_actions(1)[0] mean
Apr 28 14:46:16 <timeless_xchat> mtnbkr : drm was coming with or without microsoft
Apr 28 14:46:23 <timeless_xchat> so please don't blame microsoft for it
Apr 28 14:48:17 <cityLights> http://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-alarm/trees/master doesnt show the alarm.pyx source
Apr 28 14:48:44 <cityLights> sorry
Apr 28 14:49:11 <cityLights> http://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-alarm/blobs/master/alarm.pyx line 549
Apr 28 14:58:53 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: yep, you need to keep track of what you create
Apr 28 14:59:16 <Shapeshifter> cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome
Apr 28 15:08:16 <MohammadAG> cityLights, mohammad7410 (at) gmail (dot) com
Apr 28 15:08:31 <MohammadAG> <khertan> does maemo is defined as Q_OS_SYMBIAN ?
Apr 28 15:08:37 <MohammadAG> maemo is Q_WS_MAEMO_5
Apr 28 15:11:44 <lolcat> WS?
Apr 28 15:12:32 <MohammadAG> yes
Apr 28 15:12:59 <MohammadAG> maemo falls under linux/unix
Apr 28 15:15:31 <khertan> MohammadAG: so why modifying code between if defined(Q_OS_SYMBIAN) chang something
Apr 28 15:29:21 <MohammadAG> khertan, what?
Apr 28 15:30:00 <MohammadAG> khertan, shall I just make the edits and push it myself?
Apr 28 15:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: cityLights: I'd suggest to use alarmed API instead of direct calls to alarmd, for such a relatively simple straightforward task like switching profile during meetings
Apr 28 15:49:19 <DocScrutinizer> the alarmed commandline API is specifically designed to handle that class of requirements in a quite convenient way
Apr 28 15:55:57 <DocScrutinizer> it's just missing a symlink from /usr/bin/alarmed to /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py ;-D
Apr 28 15:57:11 <rm_work> hrm, where is the database file for text messages / conversations stored?
Apr 28 15:57:19 <rm_work> and is it just SQLite or something simple like that?
Apr 28 15:57:50 <rm_work> I want to write some scripts to do some bulk operations on messages
Apr 28 16:02:20 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Apr 28 16:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: think of alarmed as a maemo specific replacement for crond
Apr 28 16:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> actually cron&at
Apr 28 16:48:06 <anathaema> my n900 has been crap the past day
Apr 28 16:50:17 <billmania> anathaema: I'll bite. In what way?
Apr 28 16:51:35 <anathaema> crashing
Apr 28 16:51:47 <anathaema> need more ram
Apr 28 16:51:59 <anathaema> i'm gonna get a pandaboard for my bike
Apr 28 16:52:13 <anathaema> can you run maemo on pandaboard?
Apr 28 16:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> no
Apr 28 16:59:08 <DocScrutinizer> well, partially maybe
Apr 28 16:59:31 <DocScrutinizer> if xou don't want internet connection daemon and other closed bits
Apr 28 17:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> nor any gfx accel bits
Apr 28 17:00:21 <DocScrutinizer> nor battery charging or whatever
Apr 28 17:01:56 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to have a lok at mer for that topic
Apr 28 17:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> s/lok/look/
Apr 28 17:02:08 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: you might want to have a look at mer for that topic
Apr 28 17:03:53 <RST38h> Many white iPhone buyers also have black iPhone! --cnn
Apr 28 17:05:28 <MohammadAG> oh cool, X disappeared
Apr 28 17:06:13 <RST38h> ran away. scared.
Apr 28 17:06:31 <cityLights> Shapeshifter: where do you initilize the dictionary we discussed eventInfo = {} ?
Apr 28 17:11:58 <GeneralAntilles> It's going to be a pain commuting from Stanford into the city. . . .
Apr 28 17:13:17 <ds3> where are you commuting to in the city?
Apr 28 17:14:16 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: SF Regency Hyatt.
Apr 28 17:14:35 <GeneralAntilles> Around Pier 3, I guess.
Apr 28 17:16:57 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: Caltrain -> Bart?
Apr 28 17:18:03 <GeneralAntilles> ds3: I guess, but I'd rather be in that damn hotel so I'd just have to walk downstairs.
Apr 28 17:18:05 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid sponsorship.
Apr 28 17:19:11 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: what event is this?
Apr 28 17:19:31 <GeneralAntilles> MeeGo Conference SF in May.
Apr 28 17:19:57 <ds3> ah that
Apr 28 17:20:32 <DocScrutinizer51> too bad I don't participate. Whould have loved to have a pint with gan
Apr 28 17:21:16 <chx> not wanting to be a troll, but what that is going to be the funeral of MeeGo??
Apr 28 17:21:29 <DocScrutinizer51> otoh it might be a depressing event ;-)
Apr 28 17:22:08 <DocScrutinizer51> chx: exactly
Apr 28 17:22:11 <GeneralAntilles> chx, probably.
Apr 28 17:22:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm planning mostly to get drunk with Maemo friends on Intel-provided booze.
Apr 28 17:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer51, maybe there'll be another in German this Fall.
Apr 28 17:28:40 <MohammadAG> why all the hate on MeeGo?
Apr 28 17:28:47 <MohammadAG> it's actually not that bad
Apr 28 17:35:11 <akssps011> Is there a way to use my PCs internet connection on meemo/N900 ?
Apr 28 17:35:16 <akssps011> *maemo
Apr 28 17:44:56 <akssps011> i.e. use my PC as a wifi router
Apr 28 17:45:14 <akssps011> I found gnu box, but it doesn't seem to have an equivalent maemo package
Apr 28 18:00:30 <ShadowJK> MohammadAG, because the big majority of people (in the wider maemo "community") have different idea of what it should be
Apr 28 18:03:54 <ShadowJK> They're expecting it to be an upgrade to Maemo, to add the missing stuff, like HTML5, Flash 10, Video Calls, Voice Dialing, Conference Calling, Ovi Maps nav, and whatever else there was
Apr 28 18:04:21 <ShadowJK> From that perspective, it's more of a regression :)
Apr 28 18:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> it's a regression anyway
Apr 28 18:05:19 <MohammadAG> what's the proper way to start X?
Apr 28 18:05:24 <RST38h> startx?
Apr 28 18:06:34 <lcuk> A
Apr 28 18:06:35 <MohammadAG> that doesn't exist on maemo :p
Apr 28 18:06:45 <RST38h> xinit then?
Apr 28 18:06:55 <MohammadAG> neither does any letter of the alphabet
Apr 28 18:07:01 <RST38h> a moment
Apr 28 18:08:12 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: You're going to make it then?
Apr 28 18:08:20 <Jaffa> (to the conf)
Apr 28 18:08:31 <MohammadAG> no initx either
Apr 28 18:09:03 <RST38h> Mohammad: /etc/rc0.d/K20hildon-desktop
Apr 28 18:09:32 <Proteous> MohammadAG: did you try startW
Apr 28 18:11:08 <Jaffa> Hi anidel
Apr 28 18:11:18 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: MohammadAG: or start xsession?
Apr 28 18:11:50 <MohammadAG> RST38h, that's for hildon-desktop, not X
Apr 28 18:13:20 <anidel> hi Jaffa
Apr 28 18:13:45 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa: already bought a plane ticket.
Apr 28 18:14:38 <GeneralAntilles> wiretapped apparently lives in the city, so I may see if I can couch surf with him. If not, I've got a friend down near Stanford. . . .
Apr 28 18:15:16 <anidel> GeneralAntilles, so you'll be there as well?
Apr 28 18:15:25 <GeneralAntilles> anidel, yeah.
Apr 28 18:15:56 <anidel> GeneralAntilles, cool :) glad I'll be able to meet you again. I managed to organize a vacation trip around CA around those times and to be in SFO on Monday (actually on Sunday)
Apr 28 18:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> anidel: sounds like fun.
Apr 28 18:17:42 <anidel> GeneralAntilles, yeah
Apr 28 18:18:30 <RST38h> Mohammad: to me it looks like it should also start X in this file, at least there are no higher priority scripts to do that
Apr 28 18:18:48 <anidel> GeneralAntilles: I hope the nice stuff will be seen on Monday, so I won't miss too much
Apr 28 18:19:42 <GeneralAntilles> anidel: just the drinking. :P
Apr 28 18:19:49 <anidel> cool
Apr 28 18:20:09 * GeneralAntilles notes 25/5 is not 40/5.
Apr 28 18:25:57 <rm_work> GeneralAntilles: i will have to look up when that is
Apr 28 18:26:17 <GeneralAntilles> 23-25th of May
Apr 28 18:26:22 <rm_work> GeneralAntilles: we've still only made it to a non-intersecting set of events
Apr 28 18:26:37 <GeneralAntilles> rm_work, yeah, well, get to SF. :P
Apr 28 18:26:41 <rm_work> :P
Apr 28 18:27:03 <rm_work> which airport code is that
Apr 28 18:27:11 <rm_work> i flew in there last year around June
Apr 28 18:27:14 <rm_work> but i don't remember
Apr 28 18:27:35 <rm_work> ah, SFO
Apr 28 18:28:35 <rm_work> hrm
Apr 28 18:29:38 <rm_work> like $360
Apr 28 18:30:19 <ds3> anyone know if there are newer settings for MMS on TMO?
Apr 28 18:30:21 <ds3> Tmobile
Apr 28 18:30:37 <ds3> seems fmms has not been able to download mms's for a while
Apr 28 18:35:11 <rm_work> :(
Apr 28 18:35:17 <rm_work> fmms never worked well for me at all
Apr 28 18:35:22 <rm_work> :(
Apr 28 18:35:30 <rm_work> i was prolly doing it wrong tho
Apr 28 18:35:58 <rm_work> anyone know where the database file for text messages / conversations is stored?
Apr 28 18:36:12 <rm_work> I want to write some scripts to do some bulk operations on messages, it's just a SQLite DB right?
Apr 28 18:36:19 <rm_work> i know i messed with it before
Apr 28 18:38:34 <rm_work> I just wish air transportation didn't cost SO MUCH #&*% MONEY
Apr 28 18:38:54 <rm_work> if plane tickets were like $100 or less i could actually go places
Apr 28 18:39:21 <rm_work> still trying to get over the $450 tickets to get to WA for PAX this year
Apr 28 18:52:21 <RST38h> rm_work: Wait until prices double andpeople stopflying
Apr 28 18:52:29 <rm_work> ok...
Apr 28 18:52:32 <rm_work> then prices will be double
Apr 28 18:52:36 <rm_work> so i won't be flying
Apr 28 18:52:41 <rm_work> ... as per your point :P
Apr 28 18:52:53 <yigal> I have a question very tangential to #maemo but still of possible interest to some here.  I'm not young any more, 32, I have very little job experience, a masters in physics, and I'm tired of slugging my way towards some new degree.  If at all possible I would very much like a job as a computer engineer or something like this and working with open source software/networking would be even better.  My degree was in computational physic
Apr 28 18:52:54 <RST38h> nobody else too, but the business travelers
Apr 28 18:53:15 <RST38h> yigal:and your question?
Apr 28 18:53:19 <rm_work> is your point just that "i will still not be flying, but will be able to complain with more conviction"? lol
Apr 28 18:53:52 <RST38h> rm_work: won't even consider flying as a relevant activity
Apr 28 18:54:06 <RST38h> (file under "cultural/social shifts")
Apr 28 18:54:27 <yigal> Am I going down a bad path by investing some money and mostly time in trying to get a job with the description I've given?
Apr 28 18:54:49 <yigal> bad as in unlikely to be succesful
Apr 28 18:54:54 <RST38h> yigal: You are not
Apr 28 18:54:57 <E0x> maybe in the game industry if you can code you have some future , but i am just guessing
Apr 28 18:55:11 <RST38h> yigal: But your success finding job will depend ona few factod
Apr 28 18:55:13 <RST38h> factors
Apr 28 18:55:32 <RST38h> yigal: 1) overall availability of CS/IT jobs where you live
Apr 28 18:55:51 <yigal> not so good, and am totally willing to relocate
Apr 28 18:55:54 <RST38h> yigal: 2) Your hands on programming experience (i.e. whatever you can put on your resume)
Apr 28 18:56:24 <RST38h> yigal: 3) Your willingness to be flexible (i.e. accept a job that will not be open source related, or plain boring)
Apr 28 18:57:35 <yigal> RST38h: thank you
Apr 28 18:57:38 <RST38h> yigal: In general, employers will mostly look at your programming experience rather than your education
Apr 28 18:58:14 <RST38h> yigal: If you do not have programming experience, go for a job in IT instead, requirements are more lenient there
Apr 28 18:59:32 <derf> If you have time, contribute to open-source projects. They are great things to put on resumes, and any actual engineer in the hiring chain will love to see them, because they can just go read your code.
Apr 28 18:59:44 <yigal> RST38h: The only programming experience are simulations for my master's thesis in C++ but I'm proficcient in many other programming languages I just don't have much to show
Apr 28 18:59:49 <yigal> derf: I will do that
Apr 28 19:00:28 <yigal> s/icci/ici/
Apr 28 19:00:34 <RST38h> yigal: figure out the right wording to stick them onto resume
Apr 28 19:00:50 <RST38h> moo,derf
Apr 28 19:00:59 <derf> Moo, RST38h.
Apr 28 19:03:31 <yigal> RST38h: ok, thank you, I tried to go to school for something medically related: med school or stem cell research took microbio,physio, organic chem. but I just didn't have enough energy and got all Bs, 3.0 no regrets it's just time to start working
Apr 28 19:04:46 <RST38h> Well, it is your call, I doubt anyone can help you making it
Apr 28 19:05:14 <RST38h> But, if you do want a programming job, they should be obtainable
Apr 28 19:05:54 <RST38h> Unless wherever you live has got some really outlandish employment rites
Apr 28 19:06:27 <yigal> RST38h: I live in  California so I believe I will have to move but that's not a big deal
Apr 28 19:08:11 <yigal> RST38h: thank you, now it's time to do some more research on what is really out there
Apr 28 19:08:16 <derf> It turns out there are a lot of programming jobs in California.
Apr 28 19:08:35 <derf> Something about a "Silicon Valley" or something.
Apr 28 19:08:35 <chx> no shit, Sherlock
Apr 28 19:10:27 <yigal> where ever I can find a job that pays => $35k I'll be ecstatic (if they don't make me bend over too often :))
Apr 28 19:10:34 <RST38h> yigal: Not finding a programming job in California sounds like an oxymoron
Apr 28 19:10:46 <yigal> RST38h: oh this is really good news
Apr 28 19:11:11 <RST38h> yigal: and you probably should not consider anything <$60k/year nowadays
Apr 28 19:11:17 <RST38h> less for IT
Apr 28 19:11:22 <yigal> RST38h: I've really never looked at the job market I've only spent many many hours academically and hobby wise programming
Apr 28 19:11:25 <rm_work> yeah... WHAT? how would you not expect to find a programming job in california?
Apr 28 19:11:30 <rm_work> that's like computer programming central
Apr 28 19:11:51 <RST38h> oh
Apr 28 19:11:53 <yigal> yes but I'm not sure about the competition and I'm fine if it means I have to move
Apr 28 19:12:04 <RST38h> yigal: Then you are asking questions too early :)
Apr 28 19:12:18 <rm_work> yeah if you tell someone you'll do programming for 35k/year they'll hire you instantly
Apr 28 19:12:19 <rm_work> lol
Apr 28 19:12:22 <rm_work> regardless of skill
Apr 28 19:12:44 <RST38h> rm_work: Will probably not hire you out of suspicion :)
Apr 28 19:12:48 <rm_work> there are a lot of companies who still think that hiring a ton of novice programmers for cheap is better than hiring just a handful of experienced ones
Apr 28 19:12:52 <rm_work> so you're in luck :P
Apr 28 19:12:56 <yigal> RST38h: had to put my feet in the water somehow, and thank you for indulging my curiosity
Apr 28 19:13:06 <yigal> oh well that's even better :D
Apr 28 19:13:18 <rm_work> for the record, it's a HORRIBLE idea
Apr 28 19:13:24 <rm_work> but it's good for novice programmers :)
Apr 28 19:13:37 <rm_work> RST38h: lol
Apr 28 19:13:43 <rm_work> RST38h: shh, i'm good at what I do :P
Apr 28 19:13:58 <rm_work> maybe not as much as someone with 30 years of experience writing code every day
Apr 28 19:14:01 <RST38h> rm_work: You have got a 35k/y job for him? =)
Apr 28 19:14:07 <rm_work> lol no
Apr 28 19:14:25 <rm_work> someone offered me 45k and i laughed at them >_>
Apr 28 19:14:35 * RST38h looks at the paddle driver. Facepalms.
Apr 28 19:14:41 <yigal> until I actually have a real job I just want to be cautious
Apr 28 19:15:05 <rm_work> no harm in applying to some places, it is super easy to email your resume out to people :)
Apr 28 19:15:05 <yigal> but it looks good, and I have the patience for the job
Apr 28 19:15:12 <rm_work> and tech market is in a hiring phase right now i think
Apr 28 19:16:04 <ds3> okay, weirdest thing... polite/rude modes in FMMS fails but havoc works!
Apr 28 19:16:31 <rm_work> actually, the only thing that made me laugh about that 45k offer really was that when I said "that's very low for this area at my skill level" they said "no, that's industry average for this city" while i was busy getting 3 other offers for 1.5x as much
Apr 28 19:16:50 <RST38h> rm_work: I have got funnier offers
Apr 28 19:16:50 <yigal> hee hee
Apr 28 19:17:43 <RST38h> rm_work: Like BUYING an iPhone/iMac from the client, writing an iPhone app for them, then getting $2000 and "maybe another $2000 if the app sells"
Apr 28 19:18:12 <rm_work> lol
Apr 28 19:20:00 <yigal> anyone have a suggestion on how I should begin my search.  Should I use a generic job search engine www.careerbuilder.com for instance?
Apr 28 19:20:27 <RST38h> yigal: 1) Create LinkedIn account, create profile, upload resume
Apr 28 19:20:33 <RST38h> yigal: 2) Same with Monster.com
Apr 28 19:20:48 <rm_work> find companies in phonebook. look up websites. submit resume.
Apr 28 19:20:52 <rm_work> works better than you'd think
Apr 28 19:20:57 <rm_work> thats what i did
Apr 28 19:20:58 <RST38h> yigal: 3) Search monster.com for "software" jobs around your area
Apr 28 19:21:08 <RST38h> yigal: 4) Wait for 1 week
Apr 28 19:21:17 <yigal> RST38h: thank you, thank you
Apr 28 19:21:18 <rm_work> 4) Wait for 4 months
Apr 28 19:21:29 <rm_work> one week is a bit fast :P
Apr 28 19:21:30 <yigal> rm_work: no thank you, lol
Apr 28 19:21:36 <yigal> 4 months
Apr 28 19:21:43 <yigal> you're serious
Apr 28 19:21:43 <RST38h> Yea, although I would suggest freshening your resume and profile every week or so
Apr 28 19:21:51 <rm_work> one week is a bit fast for companies that are actively seeking employees
Apr 28 19:21:51 <yigal> ok
Apr 28 19:22:08 <RST38h> true, but keep adjusting your profile
Apr 28 19:22:11 <rm_work> it takes about a week for a resume to bounce around an office for someone to actually look at usualluy
Apr 28 19:22:27 <rm_work> then they gather them for a few weeks and then start calling favorite candidates for phone interviews
Apr 28 19:22:34 <yigal> ok
Apr 28 19:22:42 <RST38h> OMG they talked Acer into building a ChromeOS netbook
Apr 28 19:22:53 <rm_work> week or two later if they like you they will call you back for an in-person interview (it is now 1.5 months or more past when you sent in resumes)
Apr 28 19:23:05 <yigal> rm_work: ty
Apr 28 19:23:06 <rm_work> then if they like you they will tell you a week or so later about an offer
Apr 28 19:23:29 <rm_work> so that's around 2mo average if they are actively looking to fill a position immediately
Apr 28 19:24:00 <rm_work> where i work now, it's not uncommon for people to get their first call 3 months after submitting a resume, and that's for positions that were open when their resume was recieved
Apr 28 19:24:12 <rm_work> so i dunno where "one week" comes from, unless you are really lucky >_>
Apr 28 19:25:10 <yigal> In the mean time should I be taking some type of certificate course, .NET, or something I won't feel so bad about selling out?
Apr 28 19:25:32 <rm_work> eh
Apr 28 19:25:41 <rm_work> certifications only help you in places you don't want to be working
Apr 28 19:25:52 <rm_work> because they help you in places that base hiring decisions on certifications
Apr 28 19:26:02 <mece> hey
Apr 28 19:26:13 <mece> has any of you had problems with git on N900 lately?
Apr 28 19:26:40 <yigal> rm_work: but there are still enough jobs available where my skills can overshadow certificates
Apr 28 19:26:42 <mece> I can't seem to pull or clone anything atm. I get Fatal: HTTP Request failed
Apr 28 19:26:58 <yigal> rm_work: ?
Apr 28 19:27:31 <rm_work> i would focus on helping with open source projects and just general skills practice, rather than trying to pass a cert
Apr 28 19:27:48 <yigal> rm_work: sounds good
Apr 28 19:28:10 <RST38h> yigal: better yet: write something on your own that you can show off
Apr 28 19:28:17 <rm_work> but like i said, it would be helpful at companies that base hiring on certifications, so if you don't have demonstratable skills to speak of, a cert will be SOMETHING to point to :/
Apr 28 19:28:33 <RST38h> yigal: Helping with a big project may be fun, but you won't be able to show it off as effectively as your own stuff
Apr 28 19:28:36 <rm_work> ^^^^ what RST said
Apr 28 19:28:46 <rm_work> "I wrote this" is a big help
Apr 28 19:29:02 <rm_work> i got super lucky with #maemo
Apr 28 19:29:12 <yigal> ok
Apr 28 19:29:25 <rm_work> right after i joined the community there was a really popular project that people were requesting, which fit right into my skillset
Apr 28 19:30:43 <lcuk> rm_work, "I got drunk in Berlin" ?
Apr 28 19:30:57 <rm_work> lol
Apr 28 19:31:17 <rm_work> should get drunk with lcuk again
Apr 28 19:31:20 <rm_work> good times
Apr 28 19:31:27 <rm_work> vaguely remember wobbling around at a mcdonalds
Apr 28 19:31:29 * lcuk nods eagerly
Apr 28 19:32:00 <rm_work> you were drunk enough that you were saying ridiculous things while trying to eat a burger, and i was drunk enough that i shouldn't rightly remember the occasion but i got lucky :P
Apr 28 19:32:20 <rm_work> that's what i get for trying to go drink-for-drink with jott >_<
Apr 28 19:32:47 <rm_work> huge german guy, vs. smallish built american kid == FAIL
Apr 28 19:32:49 * lcuk was thinking about jott earlier 
Apr 28 19:33:14 * rm_work was thinking about lcuk's blue laundry earlier
Apr 28 19:33:30 <RST38h> mhmmmm
Apr 28 19:33:45 * RST38h now knows where the damn jitter is coming from
Apr 28 19:33:47 <rm_work> still not sure what could cause that, unless the british use some weird caustic detergent that doesn't get along with american t-shirt printing inks :P
Apr 28 19:39:41 <mece> anyone here on their way to that qtquick seminar in helsinki next week?
Apr 28 19:52:23 <jMCg> I'm looking for an app or a config which will turn n900 into a pager if I receive an SMS from a certain phone number, or if it contains a certain message, like "Server is down".. i.e., something like http://fastmob.net/sms-alert.html
Apr 28 20:30:28 <RST38h> Yes, an Armadillo Can Give You Leprosy
Apr 28 20:30:44 <Dhraak[n900]> oookay...
Apr 28 20:31:43 <SpeedEvil> I was about to link to that.
Apr 28 20:32:07 <Dhraak[n900]> using xchat since I'm outside, and the computer inside running quasselcore is still down from a power outage last night
Apr 28 20:32:35 <DocScrutinizer51> mhm
Apr 28 20:33:29 <Dhraak[n900]> wonder what it'd take to get quasselcore on maemo
Apr 28 20:33:45 <DocScrutinizer51> actually I'm missing an app that allows arbitrary actions on arbitrary cmt events (like inbound SMS which matches certain parameters)
Apr 28 20:35:35 <DocScrutinizer51> sth similar to dbus-sripting, but for ISI
Apr 28 20:36:15 <DocScrutinizer51> a pitty friggin isi/phonet isn't strictly dbus based
Apr 28 20:36:38 <DocScrutinizer51> same applies to calendar and contacts
Apr 28 20:37:58 <DocScrutinizer51> in fact maemo is rather non-uniform, compare freesmartphone.org for a way better unified approach to middleware
Apr 28 20:38:54 <DocScrutinizer51> sigh
Apr 28 20:39:38 <DocScrutinizer51> if meego would have adopted fso or at least the concept, it'd be of at least some attractiveness over maemo
Apr 28 20:40:39 <DocScrutinizer51> bbl
Apr 28 20:41:54 <RST38h> GPS Maker TomTom Submits Your Speed Data To Police
Apr 28 20:44:41 <DocScrutinizer51> lol
Apr 28 20:45:02 <DocScrutinizer51> what a useless hoax
Apr 28 20:45:37 <DocScrutinizer51> what if I'm in a bus, a train, a plane?
Apr 28 20:46:12 <DocScrutinizer51> simply sitting backseat of Toni Schuhmacher?
Apr 28 20:48:03 <DocScrutinizer51> honestly that's FUD
Apr 28 20:49:18 <DocScrutinizer51> tomtom is known to use feedback from their devices to detect stalling traffic
Apr 28 20:49:39 <DocScrutinizer51> that doesn't mean a thing though
Apr 28 20:56:36 <DocScrutinizer51> actually I think this concept been invented on dash, a routing device built OEM by Opemoko, then sold to tomtom
Apr 28 21:01:42 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Apr 28 21:01:42 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 28 21:01:57 <DocScrutinizer51> aah
Apr 28 21:17:28 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/02/dash-express-powered-by-openmokos-neo-open-source-hardware-plat/
Apr 28 21:19:27 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.engadget.com/tag/dash+express
Apr 28 21:20:41 <DocScrutinizer> there were times I've seen more engineers running with a dash in their hands than with a Freerunner, in OM TPE labs
Apr 28 21:21:52 <Sicelo> congrats to om
Apr 28 21:27:09 <DocScrutinizer> no reason for sarcasm, the speed data is anonymized and strictly used to detect traffic jam
Apr 28 21:27:43 <DocScrutinizer> and afaik you even have to opt-in
Apr 28 21:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> dunno what tomtom made of it
Apr 28 21:28:20 <DocScrutinizer> if it's even been tomtom who bought dash inc
Apr 28 21:28:37 <DocScrutinizer> om only built the hw
Apr 28 21:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> and the OS
Apr 28 21:28:45 <SpeedEvil> Right.
Apr 28 21:28:47 <SpeedEvil> Anonymised.
Apr 28 21:29:12 <SpeedEvil> Now - if a law enforcement agency approaches the company and says 'we know there are speeders in this data - give us the names.'
Apr 28 21:29:28 <kerio> "We don't have them"
Apr 28 21:29:34 <DocScrutinizer> sorry no names here
Apr 28 21:29:40 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: <3
Apr 28 21:29:51 <SpeedEvil> They do have home addresses.
Apr 28 21:30:07 <kerio> not if they drop the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes of every trip
Apr 28 21:30:11 <kerio> or something like that
Apr 28 21:30:37 <kerio> or, even better, just aggregate the data
Apr 28 21:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> they aren't using traces, they just use speed/location tuples they immediately strip from all the individual data
Apr 28 21:31:06 <DocScrutinizer> yes, they aggregate
Apr 28 21:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> also I' m not sure if they do send data at all that's not exactly interesting for their service. I mean why should they want to know you are driving 60 or 80 mph in an urban area. They are just interested in learning about traffic jam, so probably the device sends adat when speed is *below* a certain road-dependent average threshold
Apr 28 21:38:30 <DocScrutinizer> no use in thousands of devices spamming them with "all ok here" msgs
Apr 28 21:44:41 <DocScrutinizer> and in the end dash as well as tomtom is linux based, so it shouldn't be hard to find out about details
Apr 28 22:06:23 <astruasdh> please, guys... to call other states where I live, it is needed to put an operator code. Is it possible to do it in nokia n900?
Apr 28 22:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> astruasdh: as in "N900 automatically adds 4711 to beginning of each number dialed via GSM"?
Apr 28 22:10:04 <astruasdh> DocScrutinizer, I'm confused... I tried to manually change all number using a regexp, but it has broken the database hehe... maybe I forgot some pattern
Apr 28 22:24:23 <DocScrutinizer> astruasdh: I suggesat exporting all contacts to vcard, then editing there and reimport. Way simpler than messing around with that friggin sqlite db
Apr 28 22:25:16 <astruasdh> addressbook.db is an sqlite database? is it possible to send some sql?
Apr 28 22:26:44 <DocScrutinizer> it's possible to use sqlite3 frontend
Apr 28 22:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> but I always found it's quite clumsy an interface
Apr 28 22:27:57 <DocScrutinizer> honestly exporting to vcf/vcard then using plain sed is way simpler
Apr 28 22:28:10 <astruasdh> got it
Apr 28 22:28:15 <astruasdh> ty
Apr 28 22:28:25 <astruasdh> export to vcard, then remove all contacts
Apr 28 22:29:56 <astruasdh> and then import the changed vcard... is it ok?
Apr 28 22:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> sounds about like what I'd do
Apr 28 22:40:40 <DocScrutinizer> except I'd start a backup via backup app prior to all that ;-)
Apr 28 22:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> (or maybe I'd not, as I'm doing an outomated rsync to my PC every night ;-D)
Apr 28 22:42:36 <astruasdh> worked
Apr 28 22:42:49 <astruasdh> ty
Apr 28 22:42:50 <astruasdh> :)
Apr 28 22:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Apr 28 22:43:17 <astruasdh> that is the best part of linux-based os
Apr 28 22:43:22 <astruasdh> you can do whatever u want
Apr 28 22:43:40 <SpeedEvil> No, you can't.
Apr 28 22:43:59 <SpeedEvil> You can do whatever you want, that you have the skills and time and inclination to add.
Apr 28 22:44:07 <astruasdh> ya
Apr 28 22:44:09 <SpeedEvil> Some things will practically be beyond anyone.
Apr 28 22:44:26 <SpeedEvil> For example - if a bit of software requires 5 man-years of effort.
Apr 28 22:44:28 <SpeedEvil> ...
Apr 28 22:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> like that FOSS dialer-ui community replacement
Apr 28 22:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> 3 man-months of development and debugging/test, after 4.75 man-years of RE to figure how to interface to that other closed proprietary shit
Apr 28 23:27:14 <flat`> anyone awake?
Apr 28 23:31:02 <Jaffa> flat`: Barely
Apr 28 23:31:22 * GeneralAntilles is full of ground beef and potatoes.
Apr 28 23:34:15 <Hydreee> Hi everyone, can I get some help here? I've just started getting my feet wet with linux for a couple of days now and I've run into a stumbling block...
Apr 28 23:34:41 <Hydreee> I need to change the /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf file to look for the correct device on boot. To do this, I need to replace the entry “root=/dev/sdb2″ to say “root=/dev/sda2″.
Apr 28 23:35:11 <Hydreee> Now I have no idea how to do this, I'm a complete linux newb here! arghhhh!! haha
Apr 28 23:35:25 <Hydreee> Who can help me? Please message me, thanks.
Apr 28 23:36:01 <Hydreee> #help
Apr 29 00:04:06 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Apr 29 00:06:06 <MohammadAG> so... my N900 no longer connects properly to my router
Apr 29 00:06:23 <MohammadAG> it gets an IP and all, but I can't ping any local or external hosts
Apr 29 00:06:38 <SpeedEvil> Can you ping the router?
Apr 29 00:06:39 <SpeedEvil> oh
Apr 29 00:06:43 <SpeedEvil> Any logs on router?
Apr 29 00:07:07 * MohammadAG checks
Apr 29 00:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> check route
Apr 29 00:07:45 <SpeedEvil> That too.
Apr 29 00:07:46 <MohammadAG> what's also weird is that I can't connect to BT devices when wifi's up
Apr 29 00:07:48 <MohammadAG> so I'm leaning towards HW problem
Apr 29 00:07:52 <DocScrutinizer> check /etc/resolv.conf for 127.0.0.1
Apr 29 00:08:12 <MohammadAG> it's 127.0.0.1
Apr 29 00:08:25 <MohammadAG> 3G works fine fwiw
Apr 29 00:08:48 <sr71_> anything in the arp cache?
Apr 29 00:09:29 <orospakr> alas, I've jumped ship back to Android. :P
Apr 29 00:10:04 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Apr 29 00:10:05 <infobot> hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 29 00:11:29 <MohammadAG> I'm not reflashing for this :P
Apr 29 00:11:44 <MohammadAG> is there a way to keep a 3G connection up while testing wifi?
Apr 29 00:12:17 <SpeedEvil> You can bring the wifi interface iup with ifconfig and iwconfig - if you get iwconfig onto the device
Apr 29 00:12:47 <MohammadAG> what about the opposite?
Apr 29 00:12:56 <MohammadAG> (a 3G connection while wifi's active)
Apr 29 00:13:21 <SpeedEvil> ICD fights.
Apr 29 00:14:08 <SpeedEvil> You can tether over USB to get 3G, and then still connect to the device over wifi
Apr 29 00:14:21 <MohammadAG> well, I just tried with my other router and it's the same
Apr 29 00:14:42 <SpeedEvil> Any errors indmesg?
Apr 29 00:14:48 <MohammadAG> nope
Apr 29 00:14:55 <SpeedEvil> Other devices auth OK?
Apr 29 00:15:00 <MohammadAG> yep
Apr 29 00:15:18 <SpeedEvil> My next question would be 'what happens iif you turn ondebug mode in ICD' - but that has a subtle problem.
Apr 29 00:15:23 <MohammadAG> there was a weird "recoverable" onenand error, but that's unrelated
Apr 29 00:15:40 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Apr 29 00:16:33 <MohammadAG> [109252.042694] wlan0: associated
Apr 29 00:16:34 <MohammadAG> [109252.150268] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
Apr 29 00:16:39 <MohammadAG> looks right to me
Apr 29 00:16:50 <SpeedEvil> Is routes sane?
Apr 29 00:16:56 <SpeedEvil> are
Apr 29 00:17:02 <MohammadAG> well, I never changed them
Apr 29 00:17:03 <SpeedEvil> can you ping your router by IP
Apr 29 00:17:23 <MohammadAG> this happened to me the other day, a reboot fixed it but I'm interested in why it happens
Apr 29 00:17:48 * MohammadAG switches to wifi, brb
Apr 29 00:20:13 <MohammadAG> 14 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
Apr 29 00:20:16 <MohammadAG> that's pinging the gateway
Apr 29 00:22:14 <SpeedEvil> Does ifconfig show thepackets going out?
Apr 29 00:25:18 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, yep
Apr 29 00:26:47 <SpeedEvil> iwconfig shows the right stuff?
Apr 29 00:30:14 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, don't have it installed, I'm guessing it's part of "iw"?
Apr 29 00:31:01 <SpeedEvil> umm
Apr 29 00:31:03 <SpeedEvil> iwtools?
Apr 29 00:31:59 <MohammadAG> iw
Apr 29 00:32:09 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/phoneiw
Apr 29 00:32:10 <MohammadAG> for both rx and tx the values are 0
Apr 29 00:32:12 <SpeedEvil> the binary only
Apr 29 00:32:27 <MohammadAG> the rest looks fine to me
Apr 29 00:32:51 <SpeedEvil> they should be 0 with no errors
Apr 29 00:51:55 <pupnik> morning
Apr 29 01:05:05 <MohammadAG> I hate how I can't debug status menu plugins easily
Apr 29 01:05:19 <pupnik> hiya MohammadAG
Apr 29 01:05:26 <MohammadAG> hi pupnik
Apr 29 01:05:45 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/ijtBvjgz
Apr 29 01:06:02 <MohammadAG> one of those is causing a segfault, but not initially
Apr 29 01:08:34 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: for a second I htought I'll try to help you there, but then I saw the code :P
Apr 29 01:08:41 <merlin1991> no chance I can find a segfault there :P
Apr 29 01:08:59 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, why? :P
Apr 29 01:09:32 <merlin1991> every single function call is an api call I don't know :P
Apr 29 01:09:55 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, again it works when I call it at the start
Apr 29 01:10:06 <MohammadAG> but if it's called by the button click, hildon-status-menu segfaults
Apr 29 01:10:18 <MohammadAG> g_signal_connect (plugin->priv->button, "clicked", G_CALLBACK (battery_status_plugin_get_values), plugin);
Apr 29 01:10:21 <MohammadAG> looks fine to me
Apr 29 01:11:00 <MohammadAG> so I'm guessing it's something with pointers and stuff
Apr 29 01:20:08 <GeneralAntilles> Wee, 11.04 ate my Firefox toolbar.
Apr 29 01:21:18 <astruasdh> has anyone installed android in n900?
Apr 29 01:22:13 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: pointers are the root of all evil ;)
Apr 29 01:24:39 <pupnik> hmm
Apr 29 01:24:46 <MohammadAG> how's a gchar freed?
Apr 29 01:25:36 <pupnik> hooray for CSSU
Apr 29 01:41:26 <MohammadAG> so it's segfaulting on is_charging = libhal_device_get_property_bool (priv->ctx, BME_HAL_UDI, BME_HAL_IS_CHARGING_KEY, NULL);
Apr 29 02:23:15 <smackpotatt> byebye nokia n810 hello playbook
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