**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 29 02:59:58 2011 Apr 29 04:46:17 what current n900 needs when charges from usb? Apr 29 04:47:32 i'm thinking about charging it from auto sound system usb port Apr 29 04:52:18 hmm... looks like it doesn't work. battery applet shows that it charges, however yellow led doesn't blink Apr 29 04:53:39 needs at least 100mA? Apr 29 05:02:30 a n900 with 5" screen and 2x bl4j batteries Apr 29 05:02:59 pupnik: won't happen, weep now. Apr 29 05:03:22 RST38h: dunno, however, as i said, led doesn't blink in yellow :/ Apr 29 05:26:06 meh, now i need car charger. DC-6 or DC-10? Apr 29 06:13:24 hmm... bought something really scary with 2A output Apr 29 06:13:53 moo Apr 29 06:14:13 is it sfw slonopotamus Apr 29 06:14:38 pupnik: sfw? Apr 29 06:16:17 a safe for work topic? Apr 29 06:27:07 now why does the movie Top Secret come to mind now? Apr 29 06:57:41 why are the repos down Apr 29 06:57:43 :( Apr 29 07:46:32 #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES /* Reject any DND requests unconditionally. */ return NULL; #endif Apr 29 07:46:35 Wow Apr 29 07:48:01 It looks like that I need to compile my own libgtk and use it through LD_PRELOAD Apr 29 09:25:08 keks-n: nice plan, I planned same thing for some hack with dialer-ui Apr 29 09:27:34 DocScrutinizer have you read what i asked you about? Apr 29 09:29:27 no Apr 29 09:30:16 DocScrutinizer the insider battery analog from mouser is restricted in israel, do you mind to buy it to me and i'll palpay you Apr 29 09:30:48 I'm not sure I can handle that in a reasonable timespan Apr 29 09:30:59 I'm pondering it, let you know Apr 29 09:31:34 DocScrutinizer, not really that in a hurry Apr 29 09:42:03 friggin Israel Apr 29 09:44:07 not that Russia is any better Apr 29 09:44:33 for some activities, like sending a N900 over there... Apr 29 09:55:42 ZogG: what is that "insider battery analog from mouser" ? Better battery for n900? Apr 29 10:06:48 hehe I've been waiting for that question. Was about to toss a pun about the funny wording Apr 29 10:07:27 ZogG meant the backup battery for RTC solder-mounted inside the N900 Apr 29 10:09:17 the part that's supposed to power the clock for 12 months when main battery is removed or depleted. Which it probably would do if it wouldn't break for good after 6 month Apr 29 10:10:11 ahh. Too bad :) Apr 29 10:10:21 Oh, and that reminds me: My replacement battery(supercapacitor, actually), which you had me order, seems to be working great! Apr 29 10:10:52 tell it to ZogG - he might be interested Apr 29 10:11:09 yea Apr 29 10:13:18 robbiethe1st: did you use a capacitor-'battery' with compatible footprint, or an arbitrary goldcap? Apr 29 10:13:36 The former; It was either you or someone else in this room who suggested it Apr 29 10:13:42 and showed me the correct part on Digikey Apr 29 10:13:44 been me Apr 29 10:13:52 Thought so Apr 29 10:14:14 ZogG says he can't get that part in Israel Apr 29 10:14:36 Can you send it to him? Apr 29 10:14:40 seems he tried on mouser only Apr 29 10:14:46 huh Apr 29 10:14:48 sure I could Apr 29 10:15:05 probably digikey is better Apr 29 10:16:00 you have ny any chance the digikey order number or URL handy? Apr 29 10:16:39 hm... Apr 29 10:21:37 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=XH414H Apr 29 10:21:45 not sure which, but one of those Apr 29 10:22:56 XH414H-II06E Apr 29 10:23:08 robbiethe1st, i'm russian =) Apr 29 10:23:16 that's it i said it =) Apr 29 10:23:35 DocScrutinizer there are 2 of those there Apr 29 10:23:42 ZogG: So digikey won't ship to you? Apr 29 10:24:16 ZogG: scroll to right Apr 29 10:24:54 robbiethe1st i dunno Apr 29 10:25:13 i tryed mouser and it says it's restricted by the company itself Apr 29 10:25:39 i think it's not the site it's comany making those batts Apr 29 10:26:25 DocScrutinizer is it 1ND or 2ND? Apr 29 10:27:25 well, the 2nd is minimum qty 1, I don't think you want to buy minimum qty 3.600 Apr 29 10:27:50 lol Apr 29 10:27:54 yeah i saw it Apr 29 10:27:55 both are non-stock, no idea if you actually can order them Apr 29 10:27:57 just now Apr 29 10:28:15 those sites are for customers only Apr 29 10:28:28 i mean companies or people buying actually a lot of thing Apr 29 10:28:55 yeah, it's not ebay Apr 29 10:28:57 with mouser it was good that they have israel department and i called and arranged by phone and just emailed the guy with info Apr 29 10:29:09 but they ship to normal mortals as well usually Apr 29 10:29:55 how do i order? and can i buy via palpay? surely if you have any exp with them Apr 29 10:30:59 oh they have israel website as well Apr 29 10:31:00 lol Apr 29 10:33:24 Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order. Apr 29 10:33:33 as i thought Apr 29 10:34:42 morning Apr 29 10:34:49 moo chem|st Apr 29 10:35:09 ZogG: what's *wrong* with your friggin country? Apr 29 10:35:12 how is it? Apr 29 10:35:34 DocScrutinizer: no comment... Apr 29 10:36:15 ZogG: buy in Gaza, they get everything there :-P Apr 29 10:36:19 I need a new kbd mate and dome sheet btw.. Apr 29 10:36:35 oh shit Apr 29 10:36:44 uhwheee shopping in military supplies Apr 29 10:38:08 ZogG: how do you think *I* can get that part to you? Apr 29 10:39:17 ZogG: I'm afraid Mossad comes to invite me visit your prison Apr 29 10:43:55 DocScrutinizer just email who checks it anyway Apr 29 10:44:02 like the ebay parts Apr 29 10:44:04 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he can find a telegram card playing happy-birthday when opened, that has this component Apr 29 10:44:19 DocScrutinizer, lol Apr 29 10:45:11 DocScrutinizer: made a *very* simple demo of pocketsphinx. Apr 29 10:45:18 ZogG: I'll try to order 5 parts eventually Apr 29 10:45:25 using pythons subproccess module Apr 29 10:45:27 mc_teo: GREAT :-D Apr 29 10:45:47 it just runs dbus commands using subprocess module Apr 29 10:45:57 i couldnt get dbus module to work correctly Apr 29 10:46:08 i want to get that working correctly first Apr 29 10:46:40 but it basically just has like play/stop/pause/resume/next/resume all hooked to dbus commands, for the media player Apr 29 10:46:43 ZogG: if I ever get to find them in my letterbox, I'll inform you and ask for address Apr 29 10:47:05 DocScrutinizer thanx, i'll repay you all the mailing and stuff as well Apr 29 10:47:26 DocScrutinizer you can come and visit me as well =) Apr 29 10:47:42 nah, too hostile a country, sorry Apr 29 10:52:48 mc_teo: that's exciting news indeed Apr 29 10:52:51 mc_teo: cool, keep you post up to date with it, that is good progress you are doing there! Apr 29 11:10:25 chem|st: when I get this dbus commands working correctly, i shall put it on the thread Apr 29 11:11:13 as at the moment, i am literally using 'subprocess.call("dbus-command", shell=True)' Apr 29 11:11:21 which isnt very elegant Apr 29 11:12:56 ZogG: I'm also getting >>Due to vendor restrictions, we are unable to add this item to your order.<< - maybe Japan quake collateral issue Apr 29 11:14:10 mc_teo: it's not bad actually, as you can very easily change such code to do virtually anything Apr 29 11:15:43 so rather than fiddling to get native dbus working, you might consider to support a config file to define arbitrary shell cmdline commands to execute on the particular voice-cmd Apr 29 11:17:06 DocScrutinizer =( Apr 29 11:17:16 I very much like this concept, it's in line with unix' philosophy Apr 29 11:18:31 and the overhead to call a shell command is negligible for such occasional invocations Apr 29 11:20:57 actually your program's memory footprint will be lower most of the time, and only allocating a few additional 100k for the shell during the execution time of the command Apr 29 11:21:54 I'd think it's a very sleek and versatile design, much better than interfacing dbus directly and tailoring the program to do exactly one thing Apr 29 11:54:50 ZogG: please try http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND Apr 29 11:55:17 god damn n900 has annoying feature that you can mute the audio completely during phonecall from the volume up/down keys, the keys seem to also change the direction which way they work a bit after starting the call Apr 29 11:55:36 hehe Apr 29 11:56:02 landscape vs portrait Apr 29 11:56:37 Trewas: yes, the keys are working inverse in portrait: upper key is +, while in landscape left key is - Apr 29 11:58:21 I know it should work like that, but there seems to be a delay and after answering the call (in portrait) the "up" actually decreases (and mutes) volume Apr 29 12:01:04 Trewas: I always found autorotate a bit annoying. Fix dialer-ui to portrait mode, so there should be no delays and changing key assignments Apr 29 12:01:38 starting the phone app is already slow enough Apr 29 12:01:55 Trewas: sometimes even the accelerometer chip needs a reset due to decalibration Apr 29 12:02:30 reset==reboot Apr 29 12:02:42 DocScrutinizer: thats a software problem .. actually the accelerometer is not callibrateable and is factory callibrated Apr 29 12:02:59 umm, not exactly Apr 29 12:03:08 the datasheet says so Apr 29 12:03:16 no Apr 29 12:03:25 anybody remember how a program can switch the keyboard layout to another language (for e.g. en/gb, for the arrow keys) Apr 29 12:03:36 there's a factory default calib, but you can recalib it Apr 29 12:03:57 isnt that just software? Apr 29 12:04:10 anyway I found the readouts to have massive offset sometimes Apr 29 12:05:09 yes .. but i wonder if thats really an accelerometer problem or some bug in the driver (software callibration running off ) Apr 29 12:05:38 some inexact calculation which drifts or some corner case which deadjusts it Apr 29 12:05:47 I guess it's the chip, that gets confused by rogue signals from driver Apr 29 12:06:14 so the driver is to blame in any case :P Apr 29 12:06:15 there's no static factors in the driver Apr 29 12:06:25 i didnt looked at the code Apr 29 12:06:48 it just reads out the chip values via I2C and applies a fixed hardcoded multiplicator Apr 29 12:07:16 but it missed to apply a chip reset every now and then Apr 29 12:07:23 timing problems Apr 29 12:07:27 yeah Apr 29 12:07:40 I guess a race on I2C Apr 29 12:07:45 interference Apr 29 12:09:00 ZogG: PING Apr 29 12:09:08 ZogG: lazy dog Apr 29 12:09:53 ZogG: will you try to order that friggin taiyo yuden battery now?! I spent almost an hour to find it for you Apr 29 12:14:06 ZogG: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND Apr 29 12:15:17 OMG OMG! I just had a email from my phone company! The Iphone is available in white!!!!111!!! Apr 29 12:18:53 OUCH digikey shipping costs to Israel: USD 40 Apr 29 12:19:24 Germany not really any better: 30 Apr 29 12:19:27 For what? Apr 29 12:19:40 for a 414 battery Apr 29 12:19:47 To the UK at least a bit ago, they were offering free shipping over 50 Apr 29 12:19:57 over 100 here Apr 29 12:20:07 50 pounds Apr 29 12:20:12 eur Apr 29 12:20:13 So a little closer to 100 Apr 29 12:20:33 yeah - still going on. Apr 29 12:21:19 Israel 40USD all qty Apr 29 12:21:50 DocScrutinizer: just denied a amazon shopping cart as shipping was 18eur... Apr 29 12:22:19 a 6eur item for 28eur... Apr 29 12:22:35 well, for ZogG 's battery at 1.18EUR/unit it's a bit extreme Apr 29 12:23:31 robbiethe1st: where did you order, where to did they ship, and what's been your fee for shipping? Apr 29 12:23:43 What's the battery? Apr 29 12:23:49 I think it was digikey, I was in the US, and the total price was <$10 Apr 29 12:23:49 bupbat Apr 29 12:23:54 partno? Apr 29 12:24:02 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=587-2158-1-ND Apr 29 12:24:05 I don't remember details Apr 29 12:24:15 Also - wandering over to ##electronics and asking if anyones got an order going in may be worthwhile. Apr 29 12:24:23 I'm off. Apr 29 12:24:35 o/ Apr 29 12:24:56 SpeedEvil: good plan Apr 29 12:25:01 http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R Apr 29 12:25:03 Or that Apr 29 12:25:21 :-D Apr 29 12:25:44 see? I'm used to get the parts from my sourcing department ;-P Apr 29 12:26:14 On that topic. I'm off to make some pasta source. Apr 29 12:28:13 SpeedEvil: pasta is a good idea... Apr 29 12:29:46 what's farnell's friggin shipping policy? Apr 29 12:33:35 Morning. Apr 29 12:51:23 mhm, available from USA, 20EUR per shipment Apr 29 12:51:30 better than 30 Apr 29 12:52:55 funny the il.farnell site doesn't mention the shipping costs at the location the de.farnell site does Apr 29 13:03:27 ok, I'm collecting preorders for this backup battery - shipping to Europe included, they will be EUR2.50, only if I manage to order 20 Apr 29 13:03:48 payment per paypal only Apr 29 13:03:59 ping me if you're interested Apr 29 13:05:02 http://de.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=pas414hr-va5r Apr 29 13:06:06 (that's the component that breaks after 6 months usage of N900, and causes RTC to lose time on every swap of main battery) Apr 29 13:08:39 I'd also consider to do this fancy, if I receive 10 preorders a` 4.00EUR Apr 29 13:12:07 mine is working yet ... :) Apr 29 13:18:04 lucky you Apr 29 13:22:42 DocScrutinizer: and how often does one need to replace that thing? every 6 months? Apr 29 13:22:58 * SpeedEvil checks. Apr 29 13:26:59 dm8tbr: nah, this component is supposed to be more durable than the original one, it should last 'fiorever' Apr 29 13:27:04 forever* Apr 29 13:27:29 DocScrutinizer: At least in my case, bupbat is fine - 2 min or so poweroff ad came back with same time Apr 29 13:27:31 battery out Apr 29 13:28:06 * dm8tbr needs to check his. it was unreliable for a while, haven't noticed anything though recently Apr 29 13:28:13 the original one also was meant to last like 1000 cycles, but the component been of poor quality. So I can't promise anything, except this technology is inherently more robust Apr 29 13:29:00 18mo old or so Apr 29 13:29:17 it's not a friggin LiIon cell but a very large capacitor that doesn't mind deep discharge or overcharging Apr 29 13:31:47 SpeedEvil: 2 min are a poor figure. It should last like several weeks Apr 29 13:32:01 I'm down to 30s here Apr 29 13:33:37 not that I'd bother too much, I also prefer to have ntpd/netdate running and usually never pop out main bat. But ZogG been so desperate... Apr 29 13:42:51 DocScrutinizer: i've been meaning to look in to using ntpd - how does it effect power consumption? Apr 29 13:43:41 (incidentally, i'm not sure the in-build automatic time update is doing anything - how is it supposed to work? GSM, internet, GPS? Apr 29 13:43:44 ) Apr 29 13:43:56 s/in-build/built-in/ Apr 29 13:45:09 BCMM: I would guess GSM, but maybe Nokia optimized that out as well :( Apr 29 13:45:39 BCMM: the inbuilt time update generally depends on gsm. the operator sends a signal to the device. not all operators do though Apr 29 13:45:48 edheldil: well, it's quite possible for a network to suck Apr 29 13:46:03 it's kinda teh default state of a mobile operator Apr 29 13:46:20 is there any way to get the time from the GPS subsystem? Apr 29 13:46:38 heh. It worked on my previous phone with the same operator, but I haven't checked it with n900 Apr 29 13:47:00 our operator used to provide it.. till recently :'( now they update to gmt! we're at gmt+2 Apr 29 13:47:08 i mean, seems to me like the ideal way to keep the time frighteningly accurate would be to update it every time the GPS is being used anyway Apr 29 13:47:58 actually, ntp can do that, at least generally Apr 29 13:48:48 edheldil: can do what? use GPS hardware? Apr 29 13:49:07 ooh! http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpsrecorder/ Apr 29 13:49:18 "Automatically updates system time according to GPS time." Apr 29 13:49:29 heh Apr 29 13:50:08 still, why on earth can't maemo be set up to just do it whenever the gps is in use anyway? Apr 29 13:50:51 ? Apr 29 13:53:40 BCMM: built-in time adjust works with GSM, has a flaw as in "gsm registers too fast/too early during boot" - for me it helped to switch to flight mode and back to phone mode, so GSM re-registers and makes carrier resend the time msg Apr 29 13:54:06 ah, that makes a lot of sense Apr 29 13:54:09 thanks Apr 29 13:54:10 BCMM: ntpd is suboptimal for intermittent connectivity, but shouldn't have too much impact on battery life Apr 29 13:54:31 nevertheless, GPS time is surely superior Apr 29 13:55:24 sure, if you are in a location where you can get GPS easily and fast Apr 29 13:55:45 alas it seems maemo doesn't use GPS time at all Apr 29 13:55:59 to adjust RTC/systime Apr 29 13:56:51 NB AGPS as well needs connectivity, so the benefit over ntpdate isn't really existing Apr 29 14:35:26 * GAN900 dances. Apr 29 14:35:32 x220 shipped Apr 29 15:45:15 heya Apr 29 16:44:28 when I switch profile to silent I can no longer hear a remote party during a call Apr 29 16:44:37 is it a bug? Apr 29 16:45:15 works for me Apr 29 16:50:46 how can i delete emails from inbox in bulk? Apr 29 16:50:58 ShadowJK: do you also see this? Apr 29 16:51:19 citylights: nope Apr 29 16:52:21 I change to silent using a dbus command Apr 29 16:52:34 how doable/(im)practical would it be to do full-drive encryption on the n900? Apr 29 16:53:57 ShadowJK: can you change profile using dbus to silent and test? Apr 29 16:54:20 and btw, why do i have /usr/sbin/browserd always running and it eats alot of memory too and when i open the browser /usr/bin/browser is started and it eats memory too Apr 29 16:54:43 I don't use dbus Apr 29 16:55:22 browserd renders IMs and web pages. browser provides a user interface for it Apr 29 16:58:36 ShadowJK: pls issue dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent" Apr 29 16:59:12 if it makes phonecalls stop working, I think I shouldn't do it? :P Apr 29 17:00:22 it just changes profile Apr 29 17:01:01 So then you could compare it against using the normal way of switching profile? Apr 29 17:01:32 ShadowJK, okay.. do you know any quick way to delete +2k emails from modest? Apr 29 17:02:00 I don't know of anything that's quick in modest :) Apr 29 17:02:43 lol Apr 29 17:02:49 not even manually Apr 29 17:02:49 ? Apr 29 17:03:30 Never really thought of that as I use imap and have no email storage on device Apr 29 17:03:31 ShadowJK: I know of things that are quicker in modest than in kmail touch Apr 29 17:05:31 ShadowJK, i use imap too, but it still stores emails in inbox Apr 29 17:06:51 cached stuff? Apr 29 17:09:32 Dhraakellian, there is Inbox and there is .All\ /Mail folder Apr 29 17:11:14 when i delete something from .All\ /Mail folder it gets resynced with the server and the changes role back, but modifying inbox is a permanent change Apr 29 17:11:41 i can access it also when i don't have internet Apr 29 17:13:01 i like the way it is right now, but i don't want to have +4.5k of emails in my inbox, as it takes the application too much time to load them Apr 29 17:13:25 and scrolling is abit laggy too Apr 29 17:14:07 so i want to get rid of all old emails and have only the latest in my inbox Apr 29 17:14:56 is there a quick way to delete emails in bulk? Apr 29 17:21:09 would pc suit help? Apr 29 17:21:32 haha, modest is painfully slow with 3 emails here Apr 29 17:21:42 how can you stand it with 4k emails Apr 29 17:22:18 hehe Apr 29 17:22:41 i'm patient i guess :P Apr 29 17:28:17 clear out you inbox? Apr 29 17:28:47 immediatel sort everything into folders? Apr 29 17:29:02 regularly, rather Apr 29 17:29:09 compengi: ? Apr 29 17:35:13 Dhraakellian, how to clear the inbox folder? Apr 29 17:38:01 compengi: from what you said, I gather you have a ton of stuff in your inbox Apr 29 17:39:00 what I'm suggesting is getting the mountain of old stuff moved out of the inbox by sorting it into othe folders Apr 29 17:39:35 and then only keeping the most recent incoming mail in the inbox Apr 29 17:40:40 s/othe/other/ Apr 29 17:42:24 Dhraakellian, that's a really good idea.. do you know how to select the emails quickly, instead of clicking over 4k emails :P Apr 29 17:43:08 desktop client or webmail Apr 29 17:43:55 set up some (serverside?) filters, perhaps Apr 29 17:44:07 hmm.. Apr 29 17:44:39 I use modest to read email Apr 29 17:44:48 and sometimes send Apr 29 17:45:24 for managing it and such, I stick to kmail on the desktop Apr 29 17:46:01 (or gmail web interface to set up filters for automatic sorting) Apr 29 18:15:51 hey Apr 29 18:16:30 just wondering if there was a way to open the media player without starting any songs? Apr 29 18:37:03 mc_teo, umm, what? Apr 29 18:43:45 mc_teo: umm should, yeah Apr 29 18:44:16 i mean programmatically Apr 29 18:44:24 yeah, sure Apr 29 18:44:31 a command would work Apr 29 18:44:52 I guess the .desktop file should help a lot Apr 29 18:45:14 it either has a shell cmd, or a dbus-send msg Apr 29 18:45:14 yes... Apr 29 18:46:42 anyway MohammadAG should know how to open mediaplayer on audio tab, from e.g. a desktop widget Apr 29 18:47:23 I gather you'd want music, not initial screen Apr 29 18:47:46 the .desktop file just launchs /usr/bin/mediaplayer Apr 29 18:48:12 yes, and that opens the music/video/radio/whatnot main screen Apr 29 18:48:12 well yes Apr 29 18:48:37 may be sending an empty (NULL) file name to play? it MAY work? just throwing crap here Apr 29 18:48:51 MohammadAG: I've ported Nokia's busybox patches to upstream busybox (those which aren't already in upstream). I did this primarily for myself, but thought I could share the results as well, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997421&postcount=26. Might be a nice enhancement to the CSSU (as in updates to the core system/enhanced featureset (colored ls, swapon with priority support, etc.)? Apr 29 18:48:55 MohammadAG: how to open mediaplayer on music page? Apr 29 18:49:11 idont: Sounds good. Apr 29 18:49:21 it doesnt really matter, just wanted to ensure it was open before recieving dbus commands Apr 29 18:49:37 idont: please also bring back help cmd Apr 29 18:49:47 Jaffa: Sources are to be found in the linked TMO post Apr 29 18:49:56 errr, sorry that's been bash Apr 29 18:50:23 It will need some more testing though, but so far so good (no errors, survived reboots etc.) Apr 29 18:50:43 yeah, highly risky improvement Apr 29 18:50:43 i can open a file with a dbus command with the file location set to "" Apr 29 18:51:09 MohammadAG: PING!!! Apr 29 18:51:56 but it gives a error, "File not found", and proceeds to play a random song Apr 29 18:51:56 which is actually desireable Apr 29 18:52:21 mc_teo: when I click on my mp3 desktop widget, it opens mediaplayer on music current song page. No idea how it does that Apr 29 18:53:08 Anyway, I got to go. I ain't too much on IRC, so if anyone needs me PM'ing/emailing is probably the quickest way to contact me. Apr 29 18:53:54 As DocScrutinizer pointed out: it is a risky improvement, so any testing/feedback is greatly appreciated Apr 29 18:55:16 I don't know how the whole CSSU process goes; if you guys want to pursue getting it into the CSSU I guess I'll be hearing something from someone? Apr 29 18:58:09 DocScrutinizer, pong Apr 29 18:58:32 MohammadAG chess and mate Apr 29 18:58:36 how to open mediaplayer on current song page? Apr 29 18:59:17 MohammadAG: like music desktop widget does Apr 29 18:59:23 on clicking it Apr 29 19:00:12 umm, dbus, sec Apr 29 19:00:29 something like open_mp_now_playing Apr 29 19:01:46 dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.open_mp_now_playing Apr 29 19:01:50 I think Apr 29 19:03:28 thnx Apr 29 19:06:41 yep, works. Apr 29 19:06:57 but where's mc_theo now?? :-S Apr 29 19:13:52 hmm Apr 29 19:13:58 thoughts on upstream busybox? Apr 29 19:14:52 busybox is balls Apr 29 19:14:58 get rid of it Apr 29 19:15:02 plzkthx Apr 29 19:37:14 kerio: Patches welcome to replace all the dependency on it, deal with the increased rootfs space and come up and organise extensive testing Apr 29 19:37:37 MohammadAG: Depends on the size of the changes and the actual benefit Apr 29 19:37:58 Jaffa: damn, i'm busy today Apr 29 19:38:40 Right, so busybox'll probably stay then ;-) Apr 29 19:39:17 yeah ç_ç Apr 29 19:40:40 Jaffa, I'm more worried about boot loops than lost space Apr 29 19:41:18 Bisybox is noticably faster than some other things Apr 29 19:41:25 Simply as most code stays loaded Apr 29 20:50:16 ~messybox Apr 29 20:50:16 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Apr 29 20:51:02 and 100% ack for MohammadAG 's concerns Apr 29 20:51:40 honestly we got more than enough space on N900 Apr 29 20:52:32 damn, friggin 32GB, I think I had no computer with that much storage until maybe 5 years ago, and all of my computers since 20 years run linux Apr 29 20:52:39 hi Apr 29 20:52:54 I need help to save and restore the volume Apr 29 20:53:09 I use python - so I installed python-mafw Apr 29 20:53:28 but can't find how to get the volume level Apr 29 20:53:40 cityLights: dbus Apr 29 20:53:44 I do this as I found a bug Apr 29 20:53:46 see wiki phonecontrol Apr 29 20:53:57 right - saw it Apr 29 20:54:21 but that dbus line doesnt look like I can use it with python-mafw Apr 29 20:55:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_volume Apr 29 20:55:08 ummm, you can use it with anything that knows how to either invoke dbus-send or to access dbus directly Apr 29 20:55:23 cityLights, you need to get the mafw_extension property Apr 29 20:55:43 let me start by asking if this is a bug: Apr 29 20:55:46 * MohammadAG knows how to do it in C Apr 29 20:55:57 when I cahnge the profile using the python-alarm Apr 29 20:56:13 the volume of the speaker is muted Apr 29 20:56:23 need I report it? Apr 29 20:56:44 http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafw/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line337 Apr 29 20:56:52 I mean that if I change the profile during a call , I can't hear the remote party Apr 29 20:57:03 hmm, I think volume is part of the profile specific settings Apr 29 20:58:34 nfc how it works in detail, I'd start to read source of tweakr to learn about it Apr 29 20:59:57 but it's quite possible that this isn't supposed to happen - change profile during call. Might reset audio mixer to default so the call audio path gets lost Apr 29 21:00:47 if that's actually the case then that's a flaw that's hard to fix. Just avoid changing profile during call then Apr 29 21:00:47 and then if I switch back to general the audio restarts again Apr 29 21:01:52 MohammadAG: good night , can you help me do this in python? Apr 29 21:02:08 I looked at https://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-mafw/blobs/master/examples/source_browsing.py Apr 29 21:02:34 only method relevant I found is https://gitorious.org/pymaemo/python-mafw/blobs/master/examples/source_browsing.py Apr 29 21:03:48 I also saw this http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/shared/mafw_support.py Apr 29 21:03:58 but can't really tell what it means Apr 29 21:04:22 actually switching profiles during a call is a rather bizarre idea. Could happen accidentally by automatic profile switchers, so the profile switcher should catch that situation and postpone the actaul switching til after call finished Apr 29 21:10:35 cityLights, I suck at python :/ Apr 29 21:10:49 is shapeshifter better? Apr 29 21:10:55 ~seen shapeshifter Apr 29 21:11:06 shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (1d 8h 21m 35s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 1d 6h 11m 40s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'. Apr 29 21:11:37 shapeshifter: can you shade light on using python-mafw? Apr 29 21:11:47 to get volume level Apr 29 21:12:57 probably Apr 29 21:13:50 I wonder if he is in a close time zone Apr 29 21:14:14 what's wrong with using DBus? Apr 29 21:14:23 in the end, that's what mafw does Apr 29 21:16:43 I can do os.system() but I am not sure how to handle the return value Apr 29 21:16:55 and would do it the "right way" Apr 29 21:17:26 I do find it hard using some python modules with little documatioin Apr 29 21:21:18 aah still about that meeting profile switcher? Apr 29 21:21:33 yes Apr 29 21:21:57 MohammadAG: you said you know how to do it in C Apr 29 21:22:06 do you use mafw-gst-eq-renderer? Apr 29 21:22:16 and mafw_extension_get_property Apr 29 21:25:09