**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 01 02:59:58 2011
May 01 03:01:59 <SpeedEvil> No time.
May 01 05:04:18 <pupnik> <3 n900
May 01 05:04:31 <pupnik> amazing how fast these computers are
May 01 05:10:08 <robbiethe1st> pupnik: See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWVJ-6l6sWM
May 01 05:10:11 <robbiethe1st> Very awesome
May 01 05:27:18 <pupnik> ty robbiethe1st
May 01 05:27:34 <pupnik> a bit more information please
May 01 05:27:44 <pupnik> ahh ty
May 01 05:27:54 <robbiethe1st> heh
May 01 05:32:07 <pupnik> i love waking up in the morning
May 01 06:12:17 <pupnik> being grateful to be alive (pic) http://pinopsida.com/wp-content/themes/f8-lite/images/default_header.jpg
May 01 06:23:58 <pupnik> oh sweet, someone made a proper netstat package
May 01 06:24:01 <pupnik> thank you maemo community
May 01 06:24:18 <pupnik> n900 is so much more complete than n800
May 01 06:30:27 <RST38h> Hey pupnik, you will love this one: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/27/how_goldman_sachs_created_the_food_crisis?page=0%2C0
May 01 06:32:53 <pupnik> will have to study that when brain is free thanks RST38h
May 01 06:32:56 <pupnik> bookmarked
May 01 06:45:16 <Tronic> RST38h: Are you sure the article is worth reading? It apparently misses the biggest reason for skyrocketing food prices.
May 01 06:46:33 <Tronic> That is, biofuels.
May 01 06:47:22 <ruskie> biofuels should be abolished
May 01 06:47:24 * Tronic used find for various words, didn't read the article.
May 01 06:50:34 <RST38h> Tronic: Well, it is from the Foreign Policy Journal, which raises probability that it is drivel
May 01 06:51:00 <RST38h> Tronic: On the other hand, it views the problem from an unexpected angle, which makes it interesting
May 01 06:52:04 <RST38h> And no, I am not buying the biofuel theory: there is just a small bunch of food stuffs usable for the biofuel. You will probably get better output by extractign methane from your own feces.
May 01 06:57:16 <ruskie> RST38h, yes... small bunch but they get money for growing them sadly
May 01 07:30:49 <pupnik> i need to get kb/s or packets/s or anything by my game's process
May 01 07:48:58 <pupnik> i still think my icon smiley is awesome and historic and epic http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/1716300.jpg
May 01 07:49:39 <pupnik> i'm just a pixel-pushin fool http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/22910703.jpg
May 01 07:51:46 <keks-n> Hi
May 01 07:52:01 <pupnik> hi
May 01 07:52:13 <keks-n> Is there any tool that searches files in maemo packages?
May 01 07:52:37 <keks-n> I'm looking for some header files but I don't know where they are
May 01 07:53:35 <keks-n> Certainly I can write a script that will download all of them and build some kind of a database. But it will take time
May 01 07:53:36 <pupnik> headers are in -dev packages
May 01 07:53:43 <keks-n> Yep
May 01 07:53:53 <keks-n> But in _which_ of them?
May 01 07:54:03 <pupnik> what are you seeking?
May 01 07:54:14 <keks-n> EGL/egl.h
May 01 07:55:42 <pupnik> and you have typed that into google?
May 01 07:56:26 <pupnik> libegl ...
May 01 07:57:51 <pupnik> keks-n the program you want is "apt-file"
May 01 07:57:52 <pupnik> afaik
May 01 08:02:34 <keks-n> It's not installable
May 01 08:03:06 <keks-n> OK, will install in a chroot environment and add maemo repo's
May 01 08:03:09 <keks-n> Thanks
May 01 08:13:33 <shyoty> hi ppl, uploaded an update to a Pomodoro timer app few weeks ago, it's in testing and I'd appreciate if some of you would take the time to test it and if the quality looks ok give it thumbs up: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=988581#post988581
May 01 08:16:54 <pupnik> chem|st: none of my replies show up on 'new posts' search results?
May 01 09:20:55 <Venemo_N900> morning
May 01 09:21:14 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: have you read the stuff from the mailing list?
May 01 09:21:39 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: seems that raster is not the only thing borked in qt 4.7.2
May 01 09:36:02 <pupnik> Retro Computer magazine cover (funny, sfw) http://www.funiaste.net/obrazki/6092932df01e33182d5de645ffb8dd83/4dbd2915/2011/maj/01/61882286.jpg
May 01 09:38:36 <cityLights> MohammadAG: may private msg you?
May 01 09:45:32 <keks-n> Linux way: if your program doesn't work with system libraries, change the libraries
May 01 09:46:12 <keks-n> And now I'm compiling my own version of libgtk
May 01 09:47:08 <pupnik> keks-n: you know any SDL-opengl stuff?
May 01 09:47:20 <keks-n> nope
May 01 10:06:22 <pupnik> my font is awesome
May 01 10:07:08 <SpeedEvil> It looks like comic sans from here.
May 01 10:07:52 <pupnik> i have to readjust all the widgets for it
May 01 10:08:27 <pupnik> i can see why people want higher level tools for placing stuff on screen
May 01 10:08:38 <pupnik> it's really a lot of work to make it look good
May 01 10:09:30 <SpeedEvil> Is anyione aware of any open-source http compressors?
May 01 10:09:39 <SpeedEvil> Not just stream compressors like ssh
May 01 10:10:46 <pupnik> gahh segfault
May 01 11:18:58 <cityLights> Is anyone here a nokia employee , or are all freelancers
May 01 11:19:11 <cityLights> I am seeking work , and dont know what is going on
May 01 11:19:30 <psycho_oreos> work within nokia?
May 01 11:19:30 <pupnik> lol
May 01 11:21:23 <SpeedEvil> I think Nokia is notemployingnew people.
May 01 11:21:37 <SpeedEvil> Unless maybe you're an ostritch who's programmed WP7
May 01 11:22:15 <psycho_oreos> and would kiss Stephen Elop's toes without hesitation
May 01 11:23:00 <pupnik> elop is evil
May 01 11:24:33 <cityLights> so all ppl here are coding in private companies on the meamo platform?
May 01 11:24:47 <psycho_oreos> nah he's just another Microsoft's little puppet that the nokia's board of directors hired.
May 01 11:25:01 <psycho_oreos> not all of us are coders, not all of us are working on maemo platform
May 01 11:25:06 <pupnik> not good for finland
May 01 11:25:31 <SpeedEvil> cityLights: Speaking personally, I'm unemployed due to disability, and have done documentation work on the wiki, as well as poking people to develop stuff.
May 01 11:25:41 <SpeedEvil> And giving them links to useful resources.
May 01 11:25:55 <psycho_oreos> it was what nokia's board of directors wanted. I'm sure they must have been bored out of their head to hire an ex-microsoft puppet
May 01 11:37:03 <frals> psycho_oreos: or maybe us investors forced them to pick someone from NA ;)
May 01 11:38:18 <pupnik> the maemo people had the right idea
May 01 11:38:26 <pupnik> they were on the right track
May 01 11:38:32 <pupnik> but they got killed by politics
May 01 11:38:39 <pupnik> evil people
May 01 11:43:47 <compengi> hello, can i set a phone lock when sim card it not inserted?
May 01 11:44:33 <robbiethe1st> Yea?
May 01 11:44:40 <robbiethe1st> I'm pretty sure you can
May 01 11:44:50 <compengi> okay, how
May 01 11:45:12 <robbiethe1st> uh... same way as usual?
May 01 11:45:18 <robbiethe1st> go into settingd
May 01 11:45:29 <robbiethe1st> lock code
May 01 11:46:39 <psycho_oreos> frals, I don't think there's any sort of excuse to make up for the mess that has been caused to this date. Afterall I'm sure the board of directors couldn't care less about investors telling them that we should hire someone from ex-microsoft
May 01 11:47:37 <compengi> robbiethe1st, automatical lock will lock the screen after the specified time interval, correct?
May 01 11:48:28 <RST38h> You all assume that the goal is to continue making money developing phones
May 01 11:49:09 <RST38h> Although it is most likely that the current goal is simply to sell the company off to Microsoft, either as a whole or just the tastiest pieces like IP portfolio
May 01 11:49:40 <RST38h> This will still make investors money, probably more money than it would have made otherwise
May 01 11:50:47 <RST38h> Will also be good for Microsoft which gets to peruse decades of research done by Nokia
May 01 11:51:28 <RST38h> As to all the "open source activists", they are not making anyone money either way, so they can go suck a penguin instead. =)
May 01 11:52:19 <jacekowski> goal is to make money doing whatever makes money
May 01 11:52:25 <RST38h> correct
May 01 11:53:55 <psycho_oreos> the brighter alternative would have been to ally with the underdog whose core is quite similar to that of the maemo platform.
May 01 11:54:34 <RST38h> like webos?:)
May 01 11:55:04 <psycho_oreos> android, webos pretty much got gobbled up by HP
May 01 11:56:26 <frals> how the hell is android underdog in smartphones?
May 01 11:57:03 <jacekowski> it is
May 01 11:57:05 <psycho_oreos> I'm just comparatively putting android as underdog because it wasn't `the chosen one' by nokia
May 01 11:57:21 <jacekowski> it's like almost linux but not really
May 01 11:57:23 <psycho_oreos> instead nokia went for something that's nowhere near the likes of linux
May 01 11:57:37 * RST38h sighs
May 01 11:57:40 <psycho_oreos> furthermore ditching symbian
May 01 11:57:50 <RST38h> thank you, captain Obvious
May 01 11:58:35 <psycho_oreos> I can't see how symbian is, at least it wasn't the case with s60v3 with extensions that one would normally find on the likes of windows
May 01 12:18:19 <pupnik> funny how usb decides to charge sometimes
May 01 12:18:23 <pupnik> maybe i need more room humidity
May 01 12:45:54 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, didn't you play with N8 before?
May 01 12:55:10 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, yeah, my mom has one
May 01 13:00:12 <cityLights> MohammadAG: are you working for nokia? or are you freelacer?
May 01 13:08:44 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, just wondering if you happen to know that N8 has locked bootloader or not
May 01 13:17:40 <chem|st> pupnik: link pls
May 01 13:23:05 <pupnik> chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=10240305
May 01 13:23:24 <chem|st> pupnik: I cant use searchids
May 01 13:23:42 <pupnik> http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=getnew
May 01 13:23:44 <chem|st> pupnik: is it just newposts search?
May 01 13:23:47 <pupnik> ahh it transforms to a searchid
May 01 13:23:56 <chem|st> what is the threads name?
May 01 13:24:10 <pupnik> ahh it was under development
May 01 13:24:35 <chem|st> some folders do not show in new search
May 01 13:24:38 <pupnik> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72011
May 01 13:24:43 <pupnik> that could be it
May 01 13:25:44 <chem|st> pupnik: that does look like a game client
May 01 13:26:01 <chem|st> what is this about in "less than 10 words"
May 01 13:26:12 <pupnik> hack-n-slash
May 01 13:26:21 <pupnik> diablo-like
May 01 13:26:28 <chem|st> so a game
May 01 13:26:35 <chem|st> for which OS?
May 01 13:26:41 <pupnik> linux/win
May 01 13:26:51 <pupnik> mac also iirc
May 01 13:26:55 <chem|st> as OS/Platform devel is the wrong place...
May 01 13:27:03 <chem|st> and this specific thread?
May 01 13:27:09 <pupnik> oh
May 01 13:27:21 <chem|st> is it a port for fremantle
May 01 13:27:37 <pupnik> there's a Games > Development?
May 01 13:28:04 <chem|st> nope
May 01 13:28:08 <pupnik> sorry if it's in the wrong spot - can you move the thread to a more appropriate place?
May 01 13:28:11 <chem|st> this kind of stuff goes to games
May 01 13:28:20 <pupnik> ok can you move it?
May 01 13:28:24 <chem|st> and gets a [devel] in front
May 01 13:28:35 <chem|st> is it for fremantle then?
May 01 13:28:54 <pupnik> for n900
May 01 13:29:25 <pupnik> no diablo version forthcoming right now
May 01 13:30:18 <chem|st> pupnik: for release make a new thread [announce] foobar released version x.x
May 01 13:30:28 <chem|st> so devel and release info do not get messed up
May 01 13:30:39 <chem|st> thread moved
May 01 13:31:15 <pupnik> fanks
May 01 13:31:16 <chem|st> pupnik: is it in extras devel yet
May 01 13:31:27 <pupnik> not yet
May 01 13:31:30 <chem|st> ok
May 01 13:31:41 <chem|st> pupnik: where are you from btw
May 01 13:32:07 <pupnik> germany
May 01 13:32:17 <chem|st> pupnik: more detailed?
May 01 13:32:22 <pupnik> near frankfurt
May 01 13:32:27 <chem|st> pupnik: more detailed?
May 01 13:32:51 <chem|st> used to live in DA and HP
May 01 13:33:21 <chem|st> and my girl is from bockenheim/ffm
May 01 13:33:32 <pupnik> nice, i had one in bockenheim too
May 01 13:33:44 <chem|st> good girls^^^
May 01 13:52:15 <mc_teo> ~sphinx
May 01 13:52:16 <infobot> Sphinx is a speaker-independent large vocabulary continuous speech recognizer under Berkeley's style license. http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/ http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/html/cmusphinx.php http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/Sphinx.html
May 01 13:52:31 <mc_teo> ~pocketsphinx
May 01 13:52:55 <mc_teo> has to think about that one
May 01 13:53:39 <mc_teo> ~pocketsphinx
May 01 13:54:10 <mc_teo> the amount of people on here
May 01 13:54:23 <mc_teo> yet a lot of people never say anything
May 01 13:54:54 <mc_teo> has anyone tried that demo for speech recognition yet?
May 01 13:55:34 <mc_teo> heh, ive 7 posts and 23 thanks
May 01 13:55:45 * SpeedEvil wishes dragon dictate or similar was available.
May 01 13:57:16 <mc_teo> i envision this to work like so:
May 01 13:57:24 <mc_teo> a single sphinx process
May 01 13:57:38 <mc_teo> with a database of vocabuary, sorted by app
May 01 13:58:06 <mc_teo> and a system specific vocab too
May 01 13:58:45 <mc_teo> so on a button press, the microphone input is piped to sphinx
May 01 13:59:27 <mc_teo> which raises something to make the system aware of this
May 01 14:00:00 <mc_teo> i have no knowledge of underlying systems at all
May 01 14:00:12 <mc_teo> therefore would dbus messages be suitable for this?
May 01 14:00:47 <mc_teo> if i understand correctly, when a sms is recieved, a dbus message gets sent
May 01 14:00:50 <SpeedEvil> It's complex.
May 01 14:00:59 <SpeedEvil> What happens when an app is in the background?
May 01 14:01:05 <SpeedEvil> Will it want to listen to events?
May 01 14:01:11 <SpeedEvil> IOr only in the foreground?
May 01 14:01:27 <mc_teo> only in foreground
May 01 14:01:45 <SpeedEvil> There are signals that can tell you the foreground app - I forget what they are though.
May 01 14:01:53 <mc_teo> only system specific will be system wide
May 01 14:02:43 <mc_teo> also, i was wondering, would having a second process catering for actually commanding and vocabuary be better?
May 01 14:02:52 <mc_teo> as pocketsphinx is just the engine itself
May 01 14:03:14 <Venemo_N900> good afternoon
May 01 14:03:50 <mc_teo> and the second process takes the output from sphinx, and deals with commands or that
May 01 14:04:13 <mc_teo> and deals with rasing any dbus commands that need to be raised
May 01 14:04:20 <mc_teo> dbus messages*
May 01 14:05:00 <Venemo_N900> mc_teo: excuse me, I'm late in the conversation. what are you talking about?
May 01 14:05:06 <mc_teo> and also accertains wheither % of match is high enough to be counted as a valid match
May 01 14:05:15 <mc_teo> Venemo_N900: pocketsphinx
May 01 14:05:19 <SpeedEvil> Rpobably wise to seperate things into two processes use, so you can do system specivic stuff in one
May 01 14:05:35 <Venemo_N900> mc_teo: what's pocketsphinx?
May 01 14:05:48 <chem|st> Venemo_N900: speechrecognition
May 01 14:06:15 <mc_teo> and possibilities for system wide deployment
May 01 14:06:24 <mc_teo> Venemo_N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=998056
May 01 14:06:39 <chem|st> ~tell Venemo_N900 about sphinx
May 01 14:07:35 <mc_teo> atm, i am mainly using python purely for speed of development
May 01 14:07:46 <mc_teo> as i am in last year of school, the pressure is on
May 01 14:08:06 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 14:08:07 <SpeedEvil> Unrelated - http://www.youtube.com/user/cyriak#p/u/2/QNwCojCJ3-Q zombie kitten apocalypse.
May 01 14:08:10 <Venemo_N900> thanks
May 01 14:08:23 <mc_teo> but during summer, i shall start using the auld c++ again
May 01 14:08:34 <Venemo_N900> mc_teo: sounds good stuff
May 01 14:08:53 <mc_teo> to reduce memory footprint, i think this needs to be c++
May 01 14:09:01 <mc_teo> well just not python anyway
May 01 14:09:53 <SpeedEvil> Depends.
May 01 14:10:08 <SpeedEvil> If it's not using more than a few percent of sphynxes memory and CPU
May 01 14:10:09 <SpeedEvil> ...
May 01 14:10:40 <Venemo_N900> python may be good for prototyping, then when it gets more serious you could make a rewrite in cpp
May 01 14:11:35 <mc_teo> thats what i think will happen
May 01 14:11:42 <mc_teo> anyway, i have to go now
May 01 14:13:22 <kerio> *rewrite the cpu-bound parts in c
May 01 14:13:43 <kerio> and when i say "c" i mean "probably in cython"
May 01 14:13:43 <SpeedEvil> rewrite the CPU-bound parts for DSP
May 01 14:14:09 <Venemo_N900> SpeedEvil: how can I make some code to run on the dsp?
May 01 14:14:28 <SpeedEvil> Venemo_N900: As I understnad, it's not really simple.
May 01 14:14:32 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately.
May 01 14:15:27 <Venemo_N900> SpeedEvil: I once tried to investigate about it. found some packages related to the dsp, all of which are closed source.
May 01 14:16:14 <Venemo_N900> there's also a 'gstreamer-dsp' which is probably responsible for utilizing the video/audio decoding on the dsp
May 01 14:17:32 <SpeedEvil> stanford.edu/class/ee282/project_spr10/EE282_Spring10_Project.pdf
May 01 14:17:35 <SpeedEvil> may be interesting
May 01 14:18:29 <Venemo_N900> will check it out when I get home. I'm on a pretty crappy 2G connection here.
May 01 14:21:09 <cityLights> Venemo_N900: can you help me with python and dbus?
May 01 14:21:56 <Venemo_N900> cityLights: I've never written anything in python
May 01 14:23:00 <cityLights> As I got no replay, I tried reading the logs to understand if any of the members here earn a living by selling maemo related software
May 01 14:24:10 <Venemo_N900> most of the Maemo-related software are created by enthusiasts and hobbysts and is open source
May 01 14:24:36 <cityLights> so most ppl here are students?
May 01 14:24:46 <Venemo_N900> there are some apps for sale in the ovi store for Maemo, but I doubt you could "earn a living" with it.
May 01 14:25:08 <Venemo_N900> if you however write apps with Qt, then you can target other platforms too
May 01 14:25:22 <Venemo_N900> so Qt is more likely to earn you a living
May 01 14:25:47 <cityLights> is this why developers commonly ask here about qt?
May 01 14:25:57 <cityLights> need I master QT for that reason?
May 01 14:26:17 <Venemo_N900> depends on what your purpose is
May 01 14:26:18 <zerojay> I don't think anyone in the history of Maemo has attempted to earn a living making software for it.
May 01 14:26:21 <zerojay> At least, I hope not.
May 01 14:26:24 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo_N900: the DSP itself is well known afaik, incl cmdset etc
May 01 14:26:59 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: sure, but how do I actually make some code run on it?
May 01 14:27:12 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, that's the magic
May 01 14:27:41 <Venemo_N900> and are you a good magician?
May 01 14:27:45 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: teach me to do magic :P
May 01 14:28:30 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I have no real clue. I guess TI has some tools, no idea if they are free or commercial
May 01 14:29:15 <Venemo_N900> well I 'guess' too, but I don't have any facts
May 01 14:29:16 <DocScrutinizer> the DSP core is a native TI 32xxxx I guess
May 01 14:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> spruf98 SoC user manual should give a starting point
May 01 14:30:34 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 14:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> anyway don't get fooled! the DSP is not always the better alternative to the ARM core
May 01 14:32:03 <DocScrutinizer> it's also consuming power, much power
May 01 14:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> so if it isn't for mere speed, the DSP isn't really interesting
May 01 14:33:17 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 14:33:32 <Venemo_N900> so what does the dsp do faster than the cpu?
May 01 14:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> multivector
May 01 14:34:06 <Trizt> cityLights; why do you assume that most here would be students?
May 01 14:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> it's a damn MULADD machine
May 01 14:34:28 <DocScrutinizer> FFT etc
May 01 14:34:32 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer, what does that mean?
May 01 14:34:59 <DocScrutinizer> all sorts of matrix operations I think are DSP domain
May 01 14:36:03 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 14:36:46 <Venemo_N900> about a week ago a guy at uni contacted me to help him with dsp programming
May 01 14:36:50 <cityLights> Trizt: cause ppl need to earn a living, then work a lot and have less time to write open source code
May 01 14:36:58 <DocScrutinizer> as the name says: Digital Signal Processing
May 01 14:37:18 <cityLights> students have more free time to that extent
May 01 14:37:29 <Venemo_N900> I told him I've never in my life programmed a dsp... but then it turned out all he needs is some help with c?
May 01 14:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> Signal here is anything from audio streams to mpeg
May 01 14:37:39 <derf> TI has enough free tools to get code working on the DSP.
May 01 14:37:55 <derf> At least for the N900.
May 01 14:37:55 <Trizt> cityLights; you can earn a living on opensoource, see those working for RedHat for example
May 01 14:38:16 <DocScrutinizer> but again, playback of mp3 is more lightweight on ARM than it is on DSP
May 01 14:38:18 <Venemo_N900> derf: do you know that for a fact?
May 01 14:38:34 <derf> Venemo_N900: I've written and run code on the DSP, so yes.
May 01 14:38:55 <Venemo_N900> I would guess  that the chip can decode mp3 in hardware.
May 01 14:39:12 <DocScrutinizer> it can, but that's a useless execise
May 01 14:39:23 <Venemo_N900> derf: that sounds good :)
May 01 14:39:32 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: why would it be useless?
May 01 14:39:35 <Trizt> DocScrutinizer; but most of the cpu power to play mp3 is eaten by pulsaudio?
May 01 14:40:07 <DocScrutinizer> the DSP is less power economic than the ARM with smartreflex
May 01 14:40:14 <DocScrutinizer> I guess
May 01 14:40:30 <Venemo_N900> maybe so
May 01 14:40:33 <DocScrutinizer> DSP is only useful for mere speed of MP
May 01 14:40:47 <Venemo_N900> but the n900 doesn't have a working smartreflex anyway
May 01 14:40:51 <DocScrutinizer> to free the ARM to do more useful things same time
May 01 14:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> sleeping isn't a useful thing for ARM
May 01 14:41:23 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo_N900: SR is a bunch of measures
May 01 14:41:35 <Venemo_N900> you can sort of turn on smartreflex and watch the sw fall apart
May 01 14:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> the part not working on N900 is the automatic core voltage adjustment
May 01 14:41:48 <Venemo_N900> there was a bugreport about this on bmo
May 01 14:42:20 <DocScrutinizer> there are several other SR measures in chipdesign itself
May 01 14:42:27 <Venemo_N900> ah
May 01 14:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> like immediate shutdown of unused subblocks
May 01 14:42:45 <Venemo_N900> so what is the two things that you can turn on/off from the config?
May 01 14:43:29 <cityLights> what is SR? what is smartreflex?
May 01 14:43:47 <Venemo_N900> cityLights: SR=SmartReflex
May 01 14:43:59 <DocScrutinizer> The SoC has a dedicated I2C connection to TWL4030 power management unit to automatically adjust the voltage regulators according to CPU clock etc. This doesn't work reliably on N900
May 01 14:44:11 <Venemo_N900> cityLights: as DocScrutinizer said, it's a set of powersaving measures on the TI Soc
May 01 14:44:48 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: is it a software/driver issue or a hw fault?
May 01 14:45:32 <DocScrutinizer> that's probably a hw bug. But not much of a problem, as you always can control the voltage regulators in sw
May 01 14:45:33 <ShadowJK> probably both :)
May 01 14:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> I guess due to some layout- or buffering-design the regulators are too slow to keep CPU stable, on SR-auto
May 01 14:47:46 <DocScrutinizer> so you do this control in sw and a bit more relaxed, to keep the core voltage stable
May 01 14:48:06 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 14:48:18 <DocScrutinizer> results in CPU core voltage kept at a bit higher values a few percent longer than on auto-SR
May 01 14:49:13 <DocScrutinizer> over all impact is - my humble guess - <0.1% on battery life
May 01 14:49:28 <Venemo_N900> well, my experience is this:
May 01 14:50:02 <Venemo_N900> when I enabled it (whatever that two config entried do), I got about 20-30% improvement on battery
May 01 14:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> duh, that's rather amazing
May 01 14:51:02 <Venemo_N900> however with that enabled, the software had a bad habbit of cashing when the cpu was under high load.
May 01 14:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> if you're interested, I'd like to tell you a story about a bug in Openmoko Freerunner hardware, that might somehow be similar to the SR bug
May 01 14:52:01 <Venemo_N900> this is pretty similar to what others have experienced, the only thing varying was the rate at wich the crashes occoured
May 01 14:52:09 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: sure, tell me :)
May 01 14:52:48 * ShadowJK notices no change in power consumption or crash rates when enabling SR
May 01 14:52:57 <DocScrutinizer> the calypso modem chip on FR has a power management Unit as well. It has some regulators, that have a voltage output and a sense input
May 01 14:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> the design rules say you have to route your traces from output to the modem chip's VDD, and from there back to the sense input so the sense is seeing same voltage as modem
May 01 14:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> our layouter wasn't aware and shorted the output and input with a minimum length trace, and from there routed another trace to the modem
May 01 14:55:03 <Venemo_N900> ouchhh
May 01 14:55:21 <ShadowJK> heh :-)
May 01 14:55:41 <Venemo_N900> I would have thought that such mistakes are found before a release
May 01 14:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> the result was the modem got instable transitions from 32kHz oscillator to 16MHz oscillator whenever switching to and from sleep-4 state, which resulted in deep sleep losing connection to BTS
May 01 14:56:23 <DocScrutinizer> this is known as the #1024 bug
May 01 14:56:47 <Venemo_N900> heh
May 01 14:57:12 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo_N900: it isn't as it depends on what the BTS tells the modem to do for deep-sleep
May 01 14:57:30 <DocScrutinizer> and it only happened at low temperatures ;-P
May 01 14:57:42 <Venemo_N900> hehh
May 01 14:58:02 <Venemo_N900> for the record, here is the maemo bug i was talking about: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633
May 01 14:58:03 <DocScrutinizer> took us like 2 years to find the bug
May 01 14:58:04 <povbot> Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default
May 01 14:58:56 <Venemo_N900> noone could really tell what /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp and /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp do.
May 01 14:59:04 <DocScrutinizer> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-November/000822.html
May 01 14:59:21 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, oh it looks correct in the schematics but buggy in layout?
May 01 15:00:37 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 01 15:01:43 <DocScrutinizer> well, not really, our brilliant chinese EE folks even placed a 0R in that long trace - to measure current, pffff - so it was obvious even in schematics, if you look closely
May 01 15:02:38 <DocScrutinizer> the fix been to increase a 10uF buffer to 20uF and that instability in sleep4 went away
May 01 15:03:21 <DocScrutinizer> the right fix of course would've been to have a correct layout and nuke that 0R
May 01 15:04:24 <Venemo_N900> hehe
May 01 15:04:42 <frozen_de> someone here using his n900 as an usb device in his car for music? (which radio?)
May 01 15:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> I guess the voltage regulation + SR-auto has some faintly similar issue
May 01 15:05:33 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: but how could the layouter afford to be not aware of the design rules?
May 01 15:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> could aslo be too much buffering, so valtage stays too high when it should drop, which might even destroy CPU
May 01 15:05:53 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 15:05:57 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo_N900: don'r ask, please don't ask
May 01 15:06:07 <Venemo_N900> okay :P
May 01 15:07:33 <Venemo_N900> well anyway, the decision was to not enable smartreflex on an N900 fw update - they are looking into it for "harmattan devices"
May 01 15:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> as a westerner you're all the time buffled by the expertise of eastern EE. Sometimes brilliant, sometimes ignorant, you simply can't believe that's the same person
May 01 15:08:22 <Venemo_N900> heh
May 01 15:08:39 <Venemo_N900> how did the chinese get involved in OM?
May 01 15:08:40 <ShadowJK> at that point in time I think Harmattan device was expected to have the next version of omap3 with more bugfixes and 1000MHz capable
May 01 15:09:04 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo_N900: FIC and so OM are located in Taipei
May 01 15:09:15 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 15:09:30 <Venemo_N900> I thought OM was a European company. hm.
May 01 15:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> not at all
May 01 15:09:49 <Venemo_N900> okay then
May 01 15:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> the heads are all westerners
May 01 15:10:16 <DocScrutinizer> mostly USA and Germany, some GB
May 01 15:10:34 <Venemo_N900> mhm
May 01 15:10:37 <Venemo_N900> anyway, I would suspect the linux driver as the point of failure for SR. maybe the same guy wrote the driver who did for the accelerometer for meego... :P
May 01 15:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> 90% of crew were Chinese
May 01 15:11:00 <ShadowJK> any idea how that wikireader is working out for them?
May 01 15:11:43 <DocScrutinizer> probably not really great. Last time I've seen it under OEM brand at Conrad electronics here in germany
May 01 15:12:17 <ShadowJK> I assume Conrad isn't massmarket?
May 01 15:12:26 <DocScrutinizer> it actually is
May 01 15:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> largest Electronics store in Germany
May 01 15:13:03 <ShadowJK> oh
May 01 15:13:27 <DocScrutinizer> but real electronics, not a white/brown ware store
May 01 15:13:49 <ShadowJK> wtf, kindle is only $140
May 01 15:14:38 <DocScrutinizer> the OEM is Medion
May 01 15:15:39 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/876441/MEDIONR-P89615-MD-83020-WIKIREADER
May 01 15:16:32 <Venemo_N900> btw, a few days ago I've found the source code of Diablo's Hildon desktop
May 01 15:16:49 <Venemo_N900> it's orders of magnitude simpler than that of Fremantle's
May 01 15:16:56 <RST38h> no shit
May 01 15:16:59 <MohammadAG> wtf is status-menu-applet-profiles.c:35: error: expected ')' before '*' token
May 01 15:17:17 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: pastebin da code
May 01 15:17:46 <MohammadAG> <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, just wondering if you happen to know that N8 has locked bootloader or not
May 01 15:17:52 <MohammadAG> I think there's an open bootloader
May 01 15:18:10 <MohammadAG> cityLights, no, I don't work for Nokia
May 01 15:18:14 <Venemo_N900> I wouldn't bet on it.
May 01 15:18:44 <ShadowJK> it'd probably be the first symbian phone with unlocked bootloader
May 01 15:19:13 <RST38h> and E7 would then be the last symbian phone
May 01 15:19:32 <MohammadAG> someone pointed me at it once, I didn't look into it since the N8's not that interesting
May 01 15:19:54 <ShadowJK> RST38h, they released X1 after E7 didn't they?
May 01 15:20:06 <RST38h> Dunno, have not seen X1
May 01 15:20:08 <Venemo_N900> it would be a lot more interesting if it had a better cpu and a better screen
May 01 15:20:38 <RST38h> 128x160 display, probably not a Symbian phone
May 01 15:22:01 <ShadowJK> E6, X7, C7 :-)
May 01 15:22:57 <MohammadAG> Venemo_N900, nvm, it was a typo
May 01 15:23:02 <RST38h> ah,X7
May 01 15:23:13 <ShadowJK> It's kind of depressing in the list of newest phones, and the first page doesn't fit all that much on my n900 screen, there are 3 different symbian versions
May 01 15:23:16 <RST38h> indeed
May 01 15:23:43 <RST38h> ShadowJK: Meanwhile, it is time to start figuring out where to jump to
May 01 15:24:06 * ShadowJK has extra N900 in a drawer :-)
May 01 15:24:06 <RST38h> ShadowJK: I am still hoping to get my hands onto an N950 and use it for a year or so, but afterwards...
May 01 15:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> (wikireader) I'd really like to know if they kept the hacker outfit I gave to wikireader - like footprint to retrofit miniUSB
May 01 15:24:31 <ShadowJK> to use after this one either ejects usb port, or desolders its cellmodem
May 01 15:24:59 <RST38h> resourceful! alterego's has given its ghos^H^H^Husb port yesterday.
May 01 15:25:16 <derf> RST38h: You will become RST38h of Droid, of course.
May 01 15:25:19 <DocScrutinizer> desolder cmt?? o.O
May 01 15:25:27 <derf> Resistence is futile.
May 01 15:25:38 <derf> *Resistance
May 01 15:25:55 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, seems other people are getting the "crossed out sim icon" syndrome too
May 01 15:26:08 <GAN900> RST38h, here's to hoping the market will look completely different in a year.
May 01 15:26:14 <DocScrutinizer> aah, k. brken solder points
May 01 15:26:19 <ShadowJK> and their devices are progressing (er, regressing) the exact same way mine did
May 01 15:26:36 <RST38h> derf: yea, hopefully there will be some 5" droids around
May 01 15:26:57 <RST38h> GAN: Nah, it is like a pool game, the balls cannot jump or teleport
May 01 15:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> quite possible. Reflow of cmt is partially hard
May 01 15:27:13 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: there are 5" droid tablets
May 01 15:27:21 <derf> RST38h: The form factor of the Droid2 isn't that bad.
May 01 15:27:22 <RST38h> Venemo: Streak only
May 01 15:27:27 <DocScrutinizer> and thermal stress at a max with those components
May 01 15:27:29 <derf> The only problem is it runs Android.
May 01 15:27:32 <RST38h> Venemo: But it has got old hw
May 01 15:27:40 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: archos has some
May 01 15:27:50 <ShadowJK> At the end I could reliably crash cellmo by lightly pinching my n900, at the 'h' key on the keyboard
May 01 15:27:56 <RST38h> derf: Need 4.3"+ display, also scared of Moto messing things up
May 01 15:28:03 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: Archos 5 and Archos 43 look pretty well
May 01 15:28:09 <RST38h> Venemo: no cell phone there
May 01 15:28:22 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: definitely a bug that could get fixed with a hot air reflow gun
May 01 15:28:26 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: I thought we're talking about tablets
May 01 15:28:44 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, Nokia Care replaced it with a new device
May 01 15:28:44 <RST38h> Venemo: I am talking about a single device I can carry
May 01 15:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: sure
May 01 15:28:57 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: ah, sorry then
May 01 15:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: disassemble, reflow, test, reflow, test, assemble: 3h. Mainboard swap: 30min + ~60$ for the board
May 01 15:30:44 <ShadowJK> they swapped entire device
May 01 15:30:54 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 01 15:31:03 <RST38h> easier this way
May 01 15:31:24 <DocScrutinizer> so the diff between mainboard and device cost is lower than the time to disassembel and swap and reassemble
May 01 15:31:28 <RST38h> no need to teach the drones how to handle the soldering iron
May 01 15:32:06 <RST38h> also nullifies the probability that they will break something else while fixing your cellmo
May 01 15:32:14 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 01 15:32:15 <Venemo_N900> lol
May 01 15:32:49 <Venemo_N900> yeah, they replaced mine too when it was faulty
May 01 15:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> when my FPC broke, they actually replaced the FPC incl camera, LED, ALS and proxy sensor - and managed to get a small almost invisible dent into touchpad
May 01 15:37:44 <ShadowJK> Venemo_N900, what happened to yours?
May 01 15:37:56 <DocScrutinizer> ...plus ruined the powerswitch
May 01 15:39:45 <Venemo_N900> ShadowJK: I accidentally dropped it on concrete
May 01 15:40:04 <ShadowJK> atleast in fixing industrial automation the components are fist sized and cosmetics secondary :)
May 01 15:40:22 <Venemo_N900> ShadowJK: it began to behave glitchy, to an extent where it wasn't able to stay turned on for more than 2 minutes.
May 01 15:41:14 <ShadowJK> did screen turn white then fade out?
May 01 15:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> that's the time where JTAG comes in
May 01 15:41:26 <Venemo_N900> ShadowJK: of course I "forgot" to tell them that I dropped it. according to DocScrutinizer, the device should have survived that kind of drop
May 01 15:41:42 <Venemo_N900> ShadowJK: nope, it didn't
May 01 15:42:03 <ShadowJK> aw
May 01 15:42:05 <SpeedEvil> I think I've dropped mine 4 times, and thrown it across the room twice.
May 01 15:42:11 <ShadowJK> because that would have been easy to fix
May 01 15:42:31 <Venemo_N900> ShadowJK: it simply kept crashing, sometimes even displayed all kinds of visual artifacts. even a reflash didn't fix it
May 01 15:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> broken solder joint
May 01 15:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> or - even worse - broken chip case
May 01 15:43:18 <SpeedEvil> I wonder how many errors are due to internal component fractures
May 01 15:43:27 <Venemo_N900> or the NAND memory became borked... who knows?
May 01 15:43:30 <MohammadAG> what's the button group that can only have one button clicked called?
May 01 15:43:42 <ShadowJK> radio buttona?
May 01 15:43:54 <DocScrutinizer> radio buttons
May 01 15:44:09 * ShadowJK suddenly realizes why it's called radio button
May 01 15:44:11 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: there are also "toggle buttons"
May 01 15:44:34 <Venemo_N900> ShadowJK: enlighten us :)
May 01 15:45:04 <ShadowJK> I recently saw an "Empire" radio from 1943 :)
May 01 15:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: sure - mw, sw, fm
May 01 15:45:19 <Venemo_N900> :)
May 01 15:45:27 <ShadowJK> The buttons that select frequency band cause other buttons to  pop up
May 01 15:45:35 <ShadowJK> so that you only select one band :)
May 01 15:45:50 <Venemo_N900> ah, right
May 01 15:46:14 <DocScrutinizer> pff, youngsters
May 01 15:47:01 <DocScrutinizer> it's been the way they built radios til the mid 80s
May 01 15:47:23 <ShadowJK> I wonder where my radio is
May 01 15:47:36 <pupnik> yetifoot's shoestore!  http://i.imgur.com/urmGp.png
May 01 15:47:38 <ShadowJK> I had it repaired about 5 times :(
May 01 15:48:10 <MohammadAG> Venemo_N900, how does it know which buttons are in one group?
May 01 15:48:24 <MohammadAG> in Qt, I just have to add radio buttons to the same widget
May 01 15:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> my last radio had a 3pos switch for modulation "am/fm/ssb" and a digit keypad to enter the frequency from 100k to 108MHz
May 01 15:50:37 * ShadowJK needs an antenna
May 01 15:50:48 <DocScrutinizer> had quite a few
May 01 15:51:27 <DocScrutinizer> oh YOU need an antenna
May 01 15:51:37 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: possibly it works the same way. I've never used them really, so I dunno.
May 01 15:52:14 <ShadowJK> I'm guessing a reel of CAT-5e isn't a good aerial even if unwinded
May 01 15:52:51 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: might work as any other wire
May 01 15:54:27 <Venemo_N900> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_mobile_uffda&num=1 ver interesting
May 01 15:59:01 <GAN900> derf, seems to be a common ailment these days. :\
May 01 16:02:00 <derf> I mean, I guess it could be worse.
May 01 16:02:58 <GAN900> Could be Windows Phone 6
May 01 16:03:11 <GAN900> But at least WP is upfront about how evil it is.
May 01 16:03:27 <Venemo_N900> GAN900: what do you mean?
May 01 16:04:18 <GAN900> Android just sabotages Open Source.
May 01 16:04:24 <GAN900> While pretending to be its friend
May 01 16:04:43 <Venemo_N900> agreed
May 01 16:04:46 <derf> I don't think anyone in the actual Open Source community is fooled.
May 01 16:04:50 <GAN900> While it's really about feeding Google's advertising machine with the blood of duped OS advocates.
May 01 16:04:58 <Venemo_N900> yea
May 01 16:05:02 <GAN900> derf, you weren't at LFSF last year. :P
May 01 16:05:05 <Venemo_N900> android is just horseshit
May 01 16:05:13 <derf> GAN900: This is true.
May 01 16:05:22 <GAN900> derf, but even if those core people get it
May 01 16:05:34 <GAN900> The next generation of programmers and users don't
May 01 16:05:42 <derf> Yeah. That is the part that worries me.
May 01 16:06:10 <derf> The OS as it is right now will not exist in 20 years.
May 01 16:06:14 <derf> *OS movement
May 01 16:06:28 <GAN900> It's not really OK to have open as one of your big selling points then delay the Honeycomb AOSP so your industry partners can capitalize on it.
May 01 16:06:54 <GAN900> Hopefully that'll be because it isn't necessary, rather than because it's been crushed.
May 01 16:06:54 <RST38h> GAN: Honeycomb is apparently a rushed mess
May 01 16:07:05 <derf> Everything Google does is a rushed mess.
May 01 16:07:07 <RST38h> GAN: So, the reasons for not opening it might be purely technical
May 01 16:07:17 <derf> RST38h: Don't bet on it.
May 01 16:07:29 <GAN900> RST38h, thus: Release Early, Release Often. ;)
May 01 16:07:34 <Venemo_N900> hehe
May 01 16:07:47 <RST38h> GAN: This only works with free stuff released with no guarantees
May 01 16:07:50 <derf> I'll give you one other good reason, though this is purely speculation: IP.
May 01 16:08:07 <RST38h> derf: yea, bt *what* IP?
May 01 16:08:18 <derf> What doesn't actually matter.
May 01 16:08:40 <RST38h> it is the same damn android, just with some big screen enablements
May 01 16:09:03 <derf> I think you're confusing patents with innovation.
May 01 16:09:05 <GAN900> It's actually significantly improved Ui-wise from 2.x
May 01 16:09:18 <derf> They are in fact almost direct opposites.
May 01 16:10:04 <Venemo_N900> so. android's openness means that they give out the code sometimes... but as I understand, they don't follow an open development model
May 01 16:11:52 <RST38h> derf:Still, what patents make Honeycomb different from Gingerbread?
May 01 16:12:08 <cityLights> MohammadAG: o ok, why are you so keen on QT then?
May 01 16:12:15 <RST38h> Venemo: They have got very low quality, messed up base OS layer
May 01 16:12:24 <cityLights> I hope its not rude to ask
May 01 16:12:27 <RST38h> Venemo: Cannot say much about the other stuff
May 01 16:12:38 <MohammadAG> It's easy to work with
May 01 16:12:39 <derf> RST38h: I don't know. I can't see the source.
May 01 16:12:58 <derf> I can tell you what does make a difference: a bunch of recent lawsuits.
May 01 16:14:14 <RST38h> derf: True.
May 01 16:22:21 <GAN900> "Delivered before 10:30 Monday" has to mean they'll show up 5 minutes after I've left for work.
May 01 16:23:01 <Venemo_N900> hehehe
May 01 16:25:05 <pupnik> join up game right now for some nice freebees
May 01 16:29:30 <Roaziel> Hi. I have a quick question. Is there any way to set the Maemo default browser to go to the mobile versions of site instead of the full verion?
May 01 16:30:41 <psycho_oreos> <MohammadAG> I think there's an open bootloader <--- thanks :)
May 01 16:30:48 <kerio> change the user-agent to match some mobile browser
May 01 16:31:02 <Roaziel> how do i do that?
May 01 16:33:48 <pupnik> yes, how?
May 01 16:36:06 <Venemo_N900> there's an app for that in the repo
May 01 16:53:02 <pupnik> what's the good gcc to use for fremantle?  i have gcc 4.2.1 here and i thought there was way better stuff now
May 01 16:53:21 <jacekowski> working one is good one
May 01 16:53:45 <Venemo_N900> pupnik: scratchbox's gcc?
May 01 16:53:57 <pupnik> yea
May 01 16:54:02 <pupnik> gcc -v
May 01 16:56:36 <Venemo_N900> apt-cache on my n900 says 4.2
May 01 16:57:53 <pupnik> hmm i see a 4.4.1 avail
May 01 16:58:31 <Venemo_N900> try it
May 01 17:08:10 <MohammadAG> int profile_get_value_as_bool
May 01 17:08:12 <MohammadAG> wow Nokia
May 01 17:08:22 <MohammadAG> getting a value as bool returns an integer
May 01 17:08:35 <Venemo_N900> because there is no bool in c?
May 01 17:08:55 <Venemo_N900> boolean in c is int...
May 01 17:09:47 <jacekowski> have anybody tried kubuntu mobile?
May 01 17:09:58 <MohammadAG> well, the status menu's segfaulting on it
May 01 17:14:05 <MohammadAG> int is_general_vibration_active = profile_get_value_as_bool ("general", "vibrating.alert.enabled"); <-- causes a segfault
May 01 17:14:50 <Venemo_N900> interesing
May 01 17:15:15 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG, ping me about that when I get home
May 01 17:25:56 <MohammadAG> well, if anyone's interested https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-menu-applet-profiles/blobs/master/src/status-menu-applet-profiles.c
May 01 17:28:24 <pupnik> your new work MohammadAG ?
May 01 17:31:28 <MohammadAG> pupnik, just a quick rewrite
May 01 17:31:38 <MohammadAG> it's missing stuff obviously
May 01 17:35:12 <pupnik> people who don't understand colors shouldn't make graphics
May 01 17:37:52 <GAN900> Purple doesn't go with orange and black?
May 01 17:38:12 <pupnik> :) in halloween candy maybe
May 01 17:48:11 <Venemo> ~seen thp
May 01 17:48:20 <infobot> thp is currently on #meego. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 43m 21s, last said: 'alterego: any screenshots of the new qml dialer ui?'.
May 01 17:50:55 <SpeedEvil> ~seen SpeedEvil
May 01 17:50:57 <infobot> speedevil is currently on #maemo (15h 35m 2s) #openmoko (15h 35m 2s) #edev (15h 35m 2s). Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen SpeedEvil'.
May 01 17:52:02 <pupnik> you guys know how to take SCREENSHOT?!
May 01 17:52:19 <pupnik> i press screenshot icon, and it says "you have 20 s to press camera capture key to take screenshot"
May 01 17:52:35 <pupnik> then i switch to my app and press camera capture key (fully or half way)
May 01 17:52:45 <pupnik> and it SHOWS ME OPEN CAMERA COVER
May 01 17:53:43 <SpeedEvil> I just left it alone
May 01 17:53:49 <SpeedEvil> And it takes shot after 20s
May 01 17:54:03 <pupnik> where does the shot get stored?
May 01 17:54:08 <pupnik> i cannot find it
May 01 18:12:13 <arvut> hi, how do I grep multiply outputs without retyping the command and grepping new outputs?
May 01 18:13:06 <arvut> for example, grep on both Cell and ESSID from the "iwlist scanning" command
May 01 18:13:41 <RST38h> grep -e ?
May 01 18:13:52 <pupnik> grep -e foo -e bar
May 01 18:14:07 <pupnik> gives lines containing either foo, bar, or both
May 01 18:14:15 <arvut> ah, that might be it :)
May 01 18:14:19 <arvut> thx
May 01 18:15:23 <arvut> I tried && and ; with a new grep. didnt even consider using flags :p
May 01 18:15:55 <pupnik> so here's my new 'readable' font... http://i.imgur.com/2K3yq.png
May 01 18:16:19 <RST38h> omg poor n900 kbd
May 01 18:16:23 <RST38h> too much playing
May 01 18:16:25 <arvut> is there a maemo-chat channel btw? like #ubuntu-offtopic and #gentoo-chat
May 01 18:16:49 <pupnik> that was done between Oct 2009 and April 2010 RST38h
May 01 18:17:14 <GAN900> arvut, this is it. ;)
May 01 18:17:29 <arvut> GAN900: =)
May 01 18:18:29 <arvut> pupnik: wow, what have u done with that keyboard?! sandblasted it?
May 01 18:18:59 <pupnik> lots of irc
May 01 18:20:55 <arvut> pupnik: ouch.. I suddenly very concerned
May 01 18:21:25 <arvut> s/I/I'm/
May 01 18:21:25 <infobot> arvut meant: pupnik: ouch.. I'm suddenly very concerned
May 01 18:21:34 <pupnik> !lart arvut
May 01 18:22:27 <arvut> interesting.. a spellcorrection bot :)
May 01 18:22:32 <pupnik> it's hard to decide UI stuff
May 01 18:23:03 <pupnik> maybe i need a shaded border around the top line of icons
May 01 18:23:20 <pupnik> to seperate them visually from the game map
May 01 18:25:37 <onen|openBmap> hi everyone
May 01 18:25:41 <onen|openBmap> just got my n900
May 01 18:25:48 <onen|openBmap> and just flashed it like new
May 01 18:26:04 <onen|openBmap> any recommendations about "must have" apps?
May 01 18:26:20 <onen|openBmap> what about community SSU?
May 01 18:27:34 <cityLights> ~seen shapeshifter
May 01 18:27:43 <infobot> shapeshifter is currently on #maemo (3d 5h 37m 58s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 3d 3h 28m 3s, last said: 'cityLights: or you add specific names/ids to the events you create on the queue and then parse it but it seems bothersome'.
May 01 18:29:44 <arvut> onen|openBmap: fennec 4 and cloud gps are pretty much must have apps
May 01 18:31:16 <keks-n> sup
May 01 18:31:47 <keks-n> I've seen a bit of space between the kernel and the rootfs named "initfs"
May 01 18:32:17 <keks-n> It looks like that it was supposed to be used for initramfs, right?
May 01 18:32:46 <arvut> pupnik: what game was that btw? I've considered installing an rpg on my n900. only wish I could install nwn since it runs on linux.. can't recompile it for this cpu tho :(
May 01 18:35:11 <pupnik> arvut: that's a port/hackup of the daimonin linux client
May 01 18:35:58 <pupnik> i've added 1000 lines of comments so far :/
May 01 18:36:34 <onen|openBmap> arvut: thanks, will have a look
May 01 18:43:54 <pupnik> arvut: if you're interested, it should be 'possible to play' sometime soon... lots of work yet
May 01 18:48:51 <pupnik> wb nox-
May 01 18:48:58 <nox-> moin pupnik, #
May 01 19:05:02 <arvut> pupnik: cool, I gotta try nwn again on linux tho. built a new desktop monster a few months ago and win7 is getting on my nerves
May 01 19:19:34 <arvut> is this 'daiminon' an mmo or just a regular online rpg?
May 01 19:20:04 <arvut> pupnik: that question was meant 4 u
May 01 19:22:29 <pupnik> arvut: it's concieved as a mmorpg but right now it's more of an in-development thing
May 01 19:23:05 <pupnik> if you have time to try it out, take notes about what it is you like, and what you find unintuitive about the interface, please
May 01 19:24:30 <pupnik> heh when i hook up the charger, current consumption increases
May 01 19:24:36 <arvut> pupnik: ah.. cuz im not really an mmo person. ive been addicted to nwn which is as you might know, an dnd 3.0 based non-mmo rpg
May 01 19:25:14 <pupnik> i respect bioware and i played nwn and nwn2 (for a bit)
May 01 19:25:36 <pupnik> the ambient sounds were top-notch
May 01 19:26:17 <arvut> the aurora toolset is paradise ^_^
May 01 19:27:02 <pupnik> it is easy to design new adventures?
May 01 19:27:23 <pupnik> i'm not really an online rpg guy myself
May 01 19:27:30 <pupnik> but this is a pretty fun hack-n-slash imo
May 01 19:27:41 <pupnik> at least in its bare form it does some things nicely
May 01 19:28:46 <pupnik> or you could fix up the client with me
May 01 19:29:10 <arvut> yeah, most "modules" as they are called are singleplayer adventures which everyone can download if the makers upload them
May 01 19:29:47 <pupnik> i bought one of gary gygax's first modules :)
May 01 19:30:40 <arvut> they are then often rated and sometimes added to the hall of fame on the nwvault
May 01 19:31:02 <lolcat> Why won't the N900 boot with BL-4D?
May 01 19:31:50 <jacekowski> because BME has no support for it
May 01 19:31:55 <jacekowski> and thinks that there is no battery
May 01 19:31:59 <lolcat> BME?
May 01 19:32:09 <lolcat> It comes to the NOKIA screen, then dies
May 01 19:32:09 <jacekowski> and rapuyama will not start for same reason
May 01 19:32:12 <jacekowski> yeah
May 01 19:32:15 <jacekowski> that's NOLO
May 01 19:32:20 <DocScrutinizer> ~bme
May 01 19:32:20 <infobot> somebody said bme was http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME
May 01 19:32:39 <jacekowski> BME is looking for specific batteries, anything different will result in shut down
May 01 19:32:59 <arvut> pupnik: wow, didnt even know he made mods for nwn
May 01 19:33:03 <lolcat> Well, that sucks
May 01 19:33:21 <lolcat> N97 mini can charge the BL-5J
May 01 19:33:58 <pupnik> he called the first commercial adventures 'modules' afair
May 01 19:34:00 <jacekowski> it can be hacked
May 01 19:34:05 <jacekowski> to support other batteries
May 01 19:34:06 <pupnik> 'slave pits of the undercity' was the one i had
May 01 19:34:12 <jacekowski> but i'm not bored enough for that
May 01 19:34:28 <lolcat> Well the BL-4D doesn'treally fit
May 01 19:34:49 <pupnik> arvut: but this modules thing is very interesting to me
May 01 19:34:49 <lolcat> But it has 1200 mAh
May 01 19:34:57 <pupnik> is there an open-source client for them?
May 01 19:34:57 <jacekowski> what you can do is take it apart and change BSI resistor
May 01 19:35:15 <pupnik> and is the community large?  is there good content for them?  good stories/quests etc?
May 01 19:35:39 <pupnik> jacekowski: i just managed to get it charging again :)
May 01 19:35:54 <pupnik> sometimes it takes ages to find the right angle/pressure
May 01 19:36:27 <jacekowski> try using normal usb cable
May 01 19:36:29 <jacekowski> not charger
May 01 19:36:39 <jacekowski> it tends to make better contact in my experience
May 01 19:37:02 <jacekowski> plug used in nokia charger is inferior compared to one used in cable
May 01 19:39:01 <arvut> lolcat: what's this BL-4D then?
May 01 19:39:26 <lolcat> arvut: THe battery for Nokia N97 mini
May 01 19:40:20 <lolcat> It is about 0,5cm to big
May 01 19:42:29 <arvut> ah
May 01 19:42:55 <lolcat> But my charger port is b0rked
May 01 19:43:04 <lolcat> So I need to use the N97 mini to charge it
May 01 19:43:10 <arvut> lolcat: heard of the mügen power batteries?
May 01 19:43:16 <lolcat> So I wanted to have the battery in so I could recive calls.
May 01 19:43:26 <lolcat> arvut: I am more in need of an external charger than that...
May 01 19:44:00 <arvut> ouch.. how did u manage to break that? I can imagine the horror of losing usb..
May 01 19:44:24 <lolcat> I dropped both phones to the ground while drinking
May 01 19:44:32 <lolcat> The N97 mini was ontop
May 01 19:44:38 <lolcat> Probably didn't help
May 01 19:45:03 <arvut> oh..
May 01 19:45:23 <lolcat> But I had it repaired about a month or two ago
May 01 19:46:02 <lolcat> For a loose chargerport, so I guess I will tell them they did a poor job
May 01 19:46:13 <arvut> I'm not into alcohol that much but I've dropped my phones (or dragged em down actually) into the floor with cables connected to them tho
May 01 19:47:34 <mc_teo> has anyone tried this yet: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=998056#post998056
May 01 19:47:35 <mc_teo> ?
May 01 19:48:19 <arvut> lolcat: I somehow doubt that'll work as they might remember what they did if it was that recently. could be worth a try tho
May 01 19:49:33 <lolcat> arvut: The receipt says: "Main mechanical error fixed"
May 01 19:50:05 <mc_teo> yeah, something in my n900 broke a two months agi
May 01 19:50:14 <mc_teo> ago*, so i sent it in to get repaired
May 01 19:50:35 <mc_teo> they sent back the damage was due to a fall, so it voided my warrenty
May 01 19:50:54 <mc_teo> n900 works for everything, except anything that require SIM card
May 01 19:51:10 <mc_teo> so basically, just no sms, or phone calls
May 01 19:51:46 <lolcat> Or actually it said: "Main fault serviced: MEchanical failure"
May 01 19:52:03 <lolcat> This will be its 3rd repair, so I am entitled to a refund
May 01 19:52:06 <arvut> mc_teo: so it's basicly a tablet like the n800 and n810 now then?
May 01 19:52:16 <mc_teo> basically
May 01 19:52:26 <mc_teo> lolcat: did they include a photo?
May 01 19:52:36 <lolcat> mc_teo: A photo of what?
May 01 19:52:46 <mc_teo> they did for me, with a circle around whole photo
May 01 19:53:03 <mc_teo> entitled, problem area outlined below
May 01 19:53:10 <arvut> mc_teo: what's that pocket_sphinx btw?
May 01 19:53:22 <mc_teo> ~tell arvut about pocketsphinx
May 01 19:53:34 <mc_teo> ~tell arvut about sphinx
May 01 19:53:59 <mc_teo> so basically, speech recognition engine
May 01 19:54:03 <lolcat> What is pocket_sphinx?
May 01 19:54:09 <lolcat> ahh
May 01 19:54:10 <lolcat> Boring
May 01 19:54:18 <mc_teo> ?
May 01 19:54:32 <arvut> cool, for voicecontrol and such?
May 01 19:54:46 <lolcat> I have gotten two simcards now, so I can use the N900 for fun, and the N97 mini for calling/sms
May 01 19:55:33 <arvut> the n900 works with dual sim tho doesnt it?
May 01 19:56:11 <lolcat> arvut: My issue is the N900 battery time, I have the same number on both phones.
May 01 19:56:19 <mc_teo> arvut: yes for voice control
May 01 19:56:32 <mc_teo> i included a simple media player controller
May 01 19:56:40 <arvut> mc_teo: nice! =)
May 01 19:56:56 <mc_teo> that has play/pause/resume/stop/next/previous commads
May 01 19:56:59 <mc_teo> commands*
May 01 19:57:08 <arvut> lolcat: cloned sim O.0
May 01 19:57:34 <lolcat> arvut: Yep, it is awesome! I just have to charge the N900 first :P
May 01 19:58:50 <mc_teo> i find the n900 has fairly poor battery life
May 01 19:59:02 <arvut> so dual sim eats a lot more power then?
May 01 19:59:21 <mc_teo> i dont use even single sim, due my error
May 01 19:59:35 <arvut> mc_teo: yeah, got a lot better with that flash in october last year tho
May 01 20:02:04 <mc_teo> which?
May 01 20:02:11 <mc_teo> PR1.3? or 1.2?
May 01 20:02:20 <mc_teo> i think for 1.2 it got worse
May 01 20:02:29 <mc_teo> but i seemed to be the only one that had this
May 01 20:09:11 <arvut> meh.. accidently closed irssi :|
May 01 20:10:05 <arvut> anyway, I've considered ordering this: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html
May 01 20:10:22 <arvut> wow, thats some link :/ sorry
May 01 20:14:22 <shanttu> Hi. Where can I find the MicroB (desktop shortcut) icon and what is the name of it? usr/share/applications/hildon/?
May 01 20:15:44 <ruskie> browser.desktop possibly?
May 01 20:16:03 <ruskie> but that's not for the icon but for the shortcut
May 01 20:16:08 <ruskie> you can get the filename from there
May 01 20:16:27 <lolcat> What is the best way to backup contacts?
May 01 20:16:39 <ruskie> backup app? syncml?
May 01 20:17:02 <lolcat> I had one problem with them
May 01 20:17:20 <lolcat> the contacts, they dont work on my N97 mini, the symbian computer
May 01 20:17:51 <Venemo> lolcat, try to backup with "ovi suite", which can then put the backup onto the n97
May 01 20:19:11 <lolcat> Venemo: Some of the problem was that the N900 only stored nickname, and not a real name
May 01 20:19:29 <ruskie> erm???
May 01 20:19:43 <ShadowJK> I've used bluetooth for transfering contacts to and from my nokia e75
May 01 20:20:08 <shanttu> ruskie: Thanks.
May 01 20:20:11 <mc_teo> just dump the file, and use python to parse it to fit new format
May 01 20:20:50 <mc_teo> export a contact fron N95 mini with full information to see what format they like
May 01 20:21:04 <mc_teo> then you can change the export from n900 to match
May 01 20:21:26 <lolcat> If I knew python that would be awesome
May 01 20:21:31 <mc_teo> perl then?
May 01 20:21:37 <mc_teo> even php could do it
May 01 20:21:52 <mc_teo> heck, even bash or javascript
May 01 20:22:09 <mc_teo> batch might be stretching it
May 01 20:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> meh, vcard is the magic word
May 01 20:25:43 <cityLights> does anyone use the kde pim ?
May 01 20:25:47 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: When the contacts got to the N97min they where nameless
May 01 20:25:57 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: i never knew you were joerg_rw on the forums
May 01 20:26:00 <Venemo> conclusion: N97 is crap
May 01 20:26:12 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: too bad
May 01 20:26:17 <ruskie> Venemo, then why mention it?
May 01 20:26:18 <Venemo> mc_teo, all you would have needed to know is a /whois command
May 01 20:26:30 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: hope you're not too scared now
May 01 20:26:54 <mc_teo> nope, should i be?
May 01 20:26:54 <lolcat> Venemo: It has a longer batterylife
May 01 20:27:07 <DocScrutinizer> /whois DocScrutinizer
May 01 20:27:24 <Venemo> lolcat, and a crappy screen, and a crappy CPU, and a crappy keyboard.
May 01 20:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~ DocScrutinizer
May 01 20:27:32 <infobot> i heard docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
May 01 20:28:27 <lolcat> Venemo: I am planning on using both
May 01 20:28:46 <Venemo> it's your loss
May 01 20:29:24 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer: I am waiting here for shapeshifter to return
May 01 20:29:50 <cityLights> are there any other python developers here , that you think may help me with dbus?
May 01 20:30:05 <Venemo> cityLights, are you using PyQt?
May 01 20:30:15 <cityLights> not yet
May 01 20:30:24 <Venemo> QtDBus is quite simple
May 01 20:30:24 <cityLights> I need to add gui, may use that
May 01 20:30:39 <cityLights> ok, let me google an example\
May 01 20:31:00 <Venemo> cityLights, I could help you more if you worked with C++
May 01 20:31:01 <cityLights> I am starting to think most ppl here use qt
May 01 20:31:27 <cityLights> when I finish the proto I will translate to c++
May 01 20:31:30 <ruskie> optimist
May 01 20:31:47 <keks-n> Guys
May 01 20:32:04 <keks-n> Have anyone tried to compile MeeGo kernel?
May 01 20:32:22 <Venemo> keks-n, ask in #meego
May 01 20:32:28 <keks-n> oh
May 01 20:33:03 <keks-n> I'm trying to make another bootmenu, lol
May 01 20:33:07 <cityLights> min, SO is asking me for cake
May 01 20:33:07 <cityLights> and off I go
May 01 20:33:14 <ruskie> keks-n, drop bootmenu
May 01 20:33:18 <ruskie> just use uboot
May 01 20:33:34 <keks-n> It flashes IN the kernel, right?
May 01 20:33:45 <keks-n> I want to use 2 mb of mtd4 as initrd
May 01 20:33:56 <keks-n> And that kexec in anything
May 01 20:34:00 <keks-n> *than
May 01 20:34:03 <keks-n> *then
May 01 20:34:59 <keks-n> Flashing something in the kernel seems dangerous and unstable
May 01 20:35:45 <lolcat> Venemo: How is it a loss to have a backup phone when the battery runs out?
May 01 20:36:26 <Venemo> lolcat, it is a loss to have two phones. that's it.
May 01 20:36:58 <ruskie> lol
May 01 20:37:02 <ruskie> I have a lot more than 2 phones
May 01 20:37:07 <ruskie> I do only use one though
May 01 20:37:37 <ruskie> but then I don't have battery issues with the N900
May 01 20:37:48 <ruskie> 4 days on a single charge works fine for my use case/needs
May 01 20:38:05 <mc_teo> what?
May 01 20:38:17 <mc_teo> without a single open application running
May 01 20:38:24 <mc_teo> i get 36 hours, max
May 01 20:38:28 <mc_teo> from a full charge
May 01 20:38:39 <mc_teo> thats with nothing open
May 01 20:38:48 <ruskie> quite a few widgets
May 01 20:38:55 <mc_teo> i presume my two email accounts check frequently
May 01 20:39:08 <ruskie> I have auto disconnect on all connections
May 01 20:39:10 <mc_teo> no widget that update live
May 01 20:39:25 <lolcat> ruskie: I had auto disconnect, but it bugged me
May 01 20:39:31 <mc_teo> like no rss widget, or facebook or anything
May 01 20:39:41 <ruskie> and I don't really need to have constant mail checks
May 01 20:39:53 <ruskie> I can just ssh to my server and look at the emails
May 01 20:40:04 * lolcat wish he had ssh email
May 01 20:40:18 <lolcat> I should use ruskies remove scrip
May 01 20:40:19 <lolcat> t
May 01 20:40:24 <lolcat> or the list
May 01 20:40:41 <lolcat> But without a charger it is still pretty useless
May 01 20:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> keks-n: nonsense, there's nothing wrong with uBoot. Nolo has a fixed addr where it fetches the ram img to start, usually there's linux kernel at that location. UBoot guy has placed uBoot there and shifted kernel some kb offset backwards, but the kernel itself stays untouched
May 01 20:41:59 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: shut down your GPRS account
May 01 20:42:04 <DocScrutinizer> then check again
May 01 20:42:26 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: i have no sim card
May 01 20:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
May 01 20:42:32 <mc_teo> hence no gprs account
May 01 20:42:39 <DocScrutinizer> then you definitely got some issue
May 01 20:42:45 <mc_teo> i think so too
May 01 20:42:58 <DocScrutinizer> you should have a 48h standby easily
May 01 20:43:07 <DocScrutinizer> unless you messed up WLAN settings
May 01 20:43:08 <keks-n> >>UBoot guy has placed uBoot there and shifted kernel some kb offset backwards, but the kernel itself stays untouched
May 01 20:43:08 <keks-n> Looks like a dirty hack
May 01 20:43:30 <lolcat> Bwah, I can't call myself even while having a twin sim.
May 01 20:43:32 <DocScrutinizer> not as dirty as e.g. multiboot
May 01 20:43:51 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: i didnt edit anything in advanced
May 01 20:44:01 <mc_teo> even have power saving on full
May 01 20:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: strange
May 01 20:44:27 <ruskie> are you using the power kernel?
May 01 20:44:31 <mc_teo> nope
May 01 20:44:43 <mc_teo> left a post on forums about it ages ago
May 01 20:44:49 <lolcat> ruskie: But 4 days of battery sounds insane
May 01 20:44:52 <mc_teo> left a copy of my ps list
May 01 20:45:06 <ruskie> lolcat, how so?
May 01 20:45:18 <lolcat> I couldn't do that unless I didn't want to call anyone
May 01 20:45:28 <ruskie> well I generally don't call people
May 01 20:45:35 <ruskie> nor do people really call me that much
May 01 20:45:38 <lolcat> Text?
May 01 20:45:42 <ruskie> not a lot as well
May 01 20:45:55 <lolcat> I have gotten 106 texts the last 2/3 days.
May 01 20:45:56 <ruskie> email, jabber, irc are my primary comms channels
May 01 20:46:29 <lolcat> N900 doesn't last 4 days on irc
May 01 20:46:31 <ruskie> and none of those apps actually runs on my n900... I just ssh into my server and reattach to the tmux sessions...
May 01 20:47:05 <lolcat> I use screen
May 01 20:47:06 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60664
May 01 20:47:06 <ruskie> modest is useless for email
May 01 20:47:12 <mc_teo> ^ +1
May 01 20:47:22 <lolcat> But still, if I use IRC for 8 houres, the N900 is dead.
May 01 20:47:31 <ruskie> as said... ssh thourgh...
May 01 20:47:35 <ruskie> and I don't need it 8h/day
May 01 20:47:49 <lolcat> No, but even 4 a day will kill it in two
May 01 20:47:51 <ruskie> if I do need access it's usually in the 1-2h window
May 01 20:48:03 <lolcat> ruskie: I use irc through ssh + screen
May 01 20:48:50 <lolcat> Still it uses a lot of battery
May 01 20:49:15 <ruskie> well I also don't use this every day
May 01 20:49:18 <lolcat> And me using two phones, and having the N97 mini as more of a phone, and the N900 more like a internet device.
May 01 20:49:38 <ruskie> it's rare that I'm anywhere without a computer and keyboard access
May 01 20:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: use top/htop to see if there are processes runaway
May 01 20:49:55 <DocScrutinizer> use powertop to see general system activity
May 01 20:50:15 <lolcat> ruskie: I tend to leave my home once a day to do stuff
May 01 20:50:32 <ruskie> usually when going shopping or something along those lines that I have some spare time
May 01 20:50:52 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: modest, and browser atm
May 01 20:50:53 <ruskie> I go to work... but I have a computer there and ssh to the server
May 01 20:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop
May 01 20:51:15 <lolcat> I use it less when I drive, I can't drive while using it as intensivly as when I take the sub
May 01 20:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
May 01 20:52:31 <ruskie> you shouldn't really be using it while driving
May 01 20:52:54 <lolcat> ruskie: it has a keyboard
May 01 20:53:36 <ruskie> it has a miniature keyboard
May 01 20:53:47 <ruskie> that tends to be annoying to use without looking at it
May 01 20:53:56 <lolcat> A full size keyboard would be impractical
May 01 20:54:05 <lolcat> ruskie: really? I use it without looking at it
May 01 20:55:11 <lolcat> ruskie: Once I a while I look at it, normaly with special characters and such
May 01 21:06:55 <DocScrutinizer> grrrr, maemo.org suffers
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-mv78xx0/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-orion5x/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-dove/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-kirkwood/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-versatile/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-footbridge/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:25:39 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-footbridge/common.c
May 01 21:25:40 <keks-n> ./arch/arm/mach-integrator/include/mach/hardware.h
May 01 21:26:04 <keks-n> From which of them I should get PCIMEM_BASE?
May 01 21:28:13 <DocScrutinizer> >> It's just you. http://wiki.maemo.org is up. << :-S
May 01 21:29:32 <DocScrutinizer> keks-n: tried grep?
May 01 21:30:03 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, looks fine to me
May 01 21:30:31 <DocScrutinizer> friggin akamai geoip
May 01 21:30:35 <keks-n> I've got this list from grep
May 01 21:30:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: IP?
May 01 21:30:58 <MohammadAG>  wiki.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.233
May 01 21:31:28 <DocScrutinizer> mmpf, same here
May 01 21:32:26 <DocScrutinizer> meh, Host 233.164.248.80.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
May 01 21:33:06 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: works for me
May 01 21:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> it's definitely timing out here, while garage and shit works
May 01 21:34:11 <DocScrutinizer> been dog slow an hour ago, now it's completely dead
May 01 21:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-01 23:06:01] <DocScrutinizer> grrrr, maemo.org suffers
May 01 21:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-01 22:51:27] <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
May 01 21:34:50 <MohammadAG> Facebook app name suggestions anyone?
May 01 21:34:56 <MohammadAG> besides facepalm
May 01 21:35:13 <DocScrutinizer> racecrook
May 01 21:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> or "please-take-my-data-and-keep-it"
May 01 21:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> the small tentacled one
May 01 21:37:35 <DocScrutinizer> polyp
May 01 21:37:51 <nox-> farcebook?
May 01 21:37:52 <nox-> :)
May 01 21:37:59 <mc_teo> Pinging forums.internettablettalk.com [74.86.202.247] with 32 bytes of data:
May 01 21:38:00 <mc_teo> Reply from 74.86.202.247: bytes=32 time=277ms TTL=51
May 01 21:38:17 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer^
May 01 21:38:25 <DocScrutinizer> nice, but not related
May 01 21:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> humm
May 01 21:42:01 <mc_teo> 80.248.164.233 works too
May 01 21:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: anyway check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop
May 01 22:08:16 <keks-n> wtf. There is 2.6.35 kernel image for N900 in the Ubuntu repo
May 01 22:17:50 <kcin1> where can i get libplayback?
May 01 22:29:10 <MohammadAG> it's preinstalled
May 01 22:29:18 <MohammadAG> keks-n, so?
May 01 22:29:23 <MohammadAG> MeeGo uses 2.6.37
May 01 22:29:55 <kcin1> i do not have a n900
May 01 22:30:14 <kcin1> can i download it somewhere
May 01 22:30:59 <kcin1> i mean can i download libplayback somewhere
May 01 22:31:48 <keks-n> >>keks-n, so?
May 01 22:31:48 <keks-n> Why it's there? Who will use ubuntu on a such device?
May 01 22:32:39 <DocScrutinizer> who will use buntkuh on *any* device?!
May 01 22:33:31 <chx> haha so true i ditched it for Arch after five years
May 01 22:33:51 <keks-n> Haters gonna hate -_-
May 01 22:34:11 <chx> dude, Ubuntu worked hard on that
May 01 22:34:38 <keks-n> Their Unity is useless even on desktop
May 01 22:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> honestly if I want a linux, I'm not going for one that reinvents shit to look more like redmond crap to please windows users
May 01 22:35:09 <derf> So, you're an xmonad user?
May 01 22:35:47 <cityLights> MohammadAG: does pyQT offer gobject.timeout_add() ?
May 01 22:36:16 <keks-n> >>reinvents shit
May 01 22:36:16 <keks-n> I'm using Cairo dock+AWN and they are located in the same place that Unity's dock is
May 01 22:36:18 <cityLights> telling a timer to callback a function after an amount of time?
May 01 22:36:33 <MohammadAG> no, use QTimer isntead
May 01 22:36:34 <keks-n> They are much more useful than it
May 01 22:36:37 <MohammadAG> instead*
May 01 22:36:43 <keks-n> But the main idea is the same
May 01 22:37:01 <MohammadAG> QTimer::singleShot(300, this, SLOT(mySlot())) in C++
May 01 22:37:08 <MohammadAG> that calls the slot once
May 01 22:37:46 <cityLights> is it n pyqt?
May 01 22:38:03 <cityLights> o ok
May 01 22:40:05 <MohammadAG> well, it should be easy to adapt
May 01 22:40:15 <cityLights> not bad at all
May 01 22:40:30 <cityLights> but I am tired now
May 01 22:40:37 <cityLights> must pick up tommorow
May 01 22:43:24 <kcin1> sorry for asking:so libplayback is not available from a repo?
May 01 22:48:11 <biston> good evening. simple question. is there a way to ignore 'hash sum mismatch' errors ?
May 01 22:48:24 <biston> i've been getting it for the last week and i can't update my packages db
May 01 22:49:05 <biston> extras-devel repo is the one not getting updated, the most important one
May 01 22:49:53 <biston> i tried adding repository.maemo.org with different IPs resolved from nslookup to /etc/hosts to switch servers, but it's not working either
May 01 22:51:48 <GeneralAntilles> There's no way somebody can trademark "automagically"
May 01 22:52:10 <biston> o_O
May 01 22:52:56 <GeneralAntilles> Ridiculous: http://www.trademarkia.com/automagically-77646827.html
May 01 22:54:03 <biston> lol! somebody actually did that, i thought you were kidding
May 01 22:54:16 <biston> TuneUp, ain't this the TuneUp Utilities devs ?
May 01 22:54:34 <biston> ah no, the album art thingy
May 01 22:54:37 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.trademarkia.com/automagically-77390897.html
May 01 22:54:39 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting
May 01 22:56:05 * GeneralAntilles needs to brush up on trademark law.
May 01 22:59:43 <biston> MohammadAG are you here ?
May 01 22:59:59 <MohammadAG> yeah, sup
May 01 23:00:20 <biston> heyya
May 01 23:00:29 <biston> do you have time for a quick question?
May 01 23:00:36 <MohammadAG> sure :)
May 01 23:00:41 <biston> they're not answering on #ubuntu, they're the wise guys lol
May 01 23:00:52 <biston> i've been having some trouble for the last week updating my n900 repos... hash sum mismatch errors. and i was thinking of ways to solve it. i found a vmware image of maemo that i can run on vmware on one of my dedicated servers and it updates perfectly with no errors every single time. is there a way i can use that hosted maemo image as a mirror on my device ?
May 01 23:01:41 <biston> it's more of a debian/ubuntu question, but i shouldn't have mentioned the n900 :p
May 01 23:01:44 <MohammadAG> hmm, you could use apt-mirror, but I've never used that :/
May 01 23:01:56 <MohammadAG> then again, why are you getting hash sum errors?
May 01 23:02:05 <biston> i think it's my ISP
May 01 23:02:10 <biston> having some trouble with the connection
May 01 23:02:36 <biston> i tried using the IP to which repository.maemo.org resolves to on my dedicated server (it's a different IP)
May 01 23:02:40 <biston> but it's not working either
May 01 23:02:45 <biston> but on the server it's working perfectly
May 01 23:03:17 <keks-n> If the problem is with your ISP, try to use VPN
May 01 23:03:42 <biston> VPN is kinda sucky on n900, i'm sure you know that already
May 01 23:03:45 <keks-n> Or a ssh tunnel to your server
May 01 23:03:52 <biston> ah yes, why not, ssh tunnel
May 01 23:04:20 <keks-n> >>VPN is kinda sucky on n900
May 01 23:04:20 <keks-n> I've watched Fox TV via vpn connection
May 01 23:04:39 <keks-n> A bit laggy, but watchable
May 01 23:05:14 <biston> i don't know why but on my n900 i connect to a vpn, work online for about 5-10 minutes, then it suddenly disconnects, also an ISP problem i believe
May 01 23:05:21 * biston lives in Lebanon
May 01 23:05:31 <biston> we have the most primitive internet connection you could ever think of
May 01 23:06:01 <biston> like, we just got A-DSL 3 years ago. still no broadband
May 01 23:07:34 <keks-n> Lol, I moved from ADSL about two years ago when I moved from my hometown
May 01 23:07:52 <keks-n> Most of people there was still using Dial-Up
May 01 23:07:58 <biston> lol! really?
May 01 23:08:01 <biston> it still exists ?
May 01 23:08:07 <keks-n> Yep
May 01 23:08:23 <biston> what subscription did you have? do you remember how much you used to pay for it?
May 01 23:08:48 <keks-n> Per-minute tarification -_-
May 01 23:09:03 <biston> the A-DSL i mean, not the dial-up
May 01 23:09:10 <keks-n> Hm
May 01 23:09:17 <biston> you said you moved 'from' ADSL, that can't be per-minute O_o
May 01 23:09:20 <keks-n> 128 bit/s
May 01 23:09:31 <keks-n> About $40 per mouth
May 01 23:09:34 <biston> oh wow
May 01 23:09:56 <biston> we're still much better here then
May 01 23:10:13 <biston> you mean kbit btw :p
May 01 23:10:24 <keks-n> yep
May 01 23:10:31 <keks-n> Before I've got ADSL in 2007 I was also using dial-up -_-
May 01 23:10:34 <biston> i pay 40$ for a 512, but with a limit of 4GB down and 4GB UP monthly
May 01 23:11:23 <keks-n> At first it was 512 kb/s with a limit of 200 MB for $10
May 01 23:11:33 <biston> you know i'm renting a dedicated server for 65$/month that has a 100Mb/s connection with unlimited bandwidth (from UK)
May 01 23:11:37 <biston> isn't that unfair ?
May 01 23:11:45 <keks-n> Nope
May 01 23:11:47 <biston> geez!
May 01 23:12:12 <keks-n> What the temperature in your country most time of the year?
May 01 23:12:37 <biston> well now it's spring, average is 20
May 01 23:12:44 <biston> in winter average is 15
May 01 23:12:50 <biston> in summer it goes up to 27-30
May 01 23:12:52 <biston> celsius
May 01 23:13:02 <biston> pretty nice weather
May 01 23:13:32 <pupnik> n900 rocks the socks
May 01 23:13:46 <biston> but those past 4-5 years in summer it reached like 36-37 average
May 01 23:13:53 <keks-n> Wow
May 01 23:14:37 <keks-n> Last summer we also had about 35-40. But there was also a lot of smoke
May 01 23:14:49 <biston> smoke or smog?
May 01 23:15:03 <keks-n> Smoke
May 01 23:15:14 <biston> O_o !
May 01 23:15:18 <keks-n> I couldn't even see the ground from my window.highlight
May 01 23:15:20 <biston> where did smoke come from  lol!
May 01 23:15:41 <keks-n> The whole city was in that smoke
May 01 23:15:44 <biston> that never happens over here
May 01 23:15:50 <keks-n> It was very hard to breeze
May 01 23:16:06 <biston> we do have dust storms, but very rarely
May 01 23:16:18 <keks-n> Forest fires...
May 01 23:16:30 <biston> ah
May 01 23:16:49 <biston> that's very rare here too, we have no forests anymore :p
May 01 23:16:55 <biston> people are cutting off everything they can
May 01 23:17:18 <keks-n> It took about 1-1.5 mounths to extinguish it
May 01 23:17:53 <biston> why where do you live? you seem to have very large forests
May 01 23:17:59 <biston> russia ?
May 01 23:18:09 <keks-n> yep
May 01 23:18:24 <biston> i thought it was pretty cold and snowy in russa all around the year
May 01 23:18:50 <keks-n> It's true in the cities in the north
May 01 23:19:02 <biston> oh, you're more like central asia
May 01 23:19:12 <biston> moderate weather
May 01 23:19:25 <biston> close to ours, just without sea breeze
May 01 23:19:30 <keks-n> In such cities as Irkutsk it's 35-40 in the summer and -30-50 in the winter
May 01 23:20:13 <biston> we'll be lucky if we get a -10 degrees in beirut
May 01 23:20:27 <biston> you live up high in the mountains ?
May 01 23:21:17 <keks-n> Nope, I've never lived in Irkutsk, my grandma is from there
May 01 23:21:41 <keks-n> I live in the "central" (which is actually the east) russia
May 01 23:21:50 <keks-n> Here is no any mountains
May 01 23:21:53 <biston> ah
May 01 23:22:06 <biston> pretty cold weather in the winter for a low altitude city
May 01 23:32:09 <biston> i forgot how SSH tunneling works :/
May 01 23:37:26 <keks-n> ehm
May 01 23:38:33 <keks-n> ssh user@host -D port
May 01 23:38:56 <biston> yea, idk why i was using -L
May 01 23:38:58 <biston> ty
May 01 23:52:39 <biston> i'm off, goodnight
May 01 23:52:58 <arvut> same here. nite nite
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