**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 04 02:59:58 2011 May 04 03:01:05 the way this company ships win7 with an entirely custom interface http://www.exopc.com/en/exopc-slate.php May 04 03:01:24 kind of indicates the direction nokia might be going with win7 May 04 03:01:32 WP7 is not W7 May 04 03:02:19 as much "freedom" as MS is purportedly giving Nokia, I suspect it will be less than we imagine May 04 03:05:31 i believe QT-based symbian app can be run on desktop windows though May 04 03:06:14 nokia seems to suggest a symbian app can be "deployed" on a maemo or meego handset as well May 04 03:06:50 if the nokia windows phone 7 is going to be "distinctive" vs other win7 products May 04 03:07:16 running the entire QT/maemo stack out of the box would be pretty distinctive May 04 03:07:58 if rebuilt (in both windows/meego cases) May 04 03:08:09 I doubt MS will allow Qt on WP7 May 04 03:08:28 it would detract from their push to make people use .NET, and allow an out May 04 03:08:42 .NET is a run time, though May 04 03:08:46 is it not? May 04 03:08:50 and the maemo stack is irrelevant due to its small size May 04 03:08:58 QT is a native toolkit May 04 03:09:09 it's a class library that runs on top of the CLR runtime, which basically does what Qt does May 04 03:09:26 and Microsoft is very opposed to "native" software on WP7 devices May 04 03:09:29 *reads up on wp7 May 04 03:10:07 i guess i assumed wp7 was built around a native windowing toolkit like iOS/qt May 04 03:11:57 nope, all about "managed code" May 04 03:29:55 hm, yeah May 04 03:31:25 enabling QT on wp7 would involve entirely bypassing the intended phone's runtime May 04 03:31:48 which could still be done in the name of 'distinctiveness' May 04 03:32:24 but considering how much cold water they've already tossed at the dev community May 04 03:32:54 it does seem like they plan on relying on microsoft's prebuilt product 100% May 04 03:34:06 it wouldnt make much sense to quash things now, then surprise announce that they've provided a pathway for QT apps on wp7 May 04 03:34:10 :\ May 04 03:34:53 i suppose anyone shipping in-car computers May 04 03:35:09 will just pick up QT and meego/linux May 04 03:53:07 hiya May 04 03:53:14 flashing nokia n900 atm May 04 03:53:21 how do i know when its done :x May 04 03:53:37 flashing from windows May 04 03:54:24 ahh shit May 04 03:54:31 i was supposed to do the emmc first i guess May 04 03:54:51 w/e the hell that acronym stands for May 04 03:54:53 i have no idea May 04 03:57:21 eMMC = embedded multi media card May 04 03:57:51 basically a hardwired MMC card (which is a standard 90% compatible with the SD card standard) May 04 03:58:29 and the eMMC in the N900 gives it the 32GB of internal storage May 04 04:05:27 Ari really made a big image shift when he moved to HP. May 04 04:05:47 Ari Jaaksi: Tech Bro May 04 04:06:20 ? May 04 04:07:16 dangergrrl, Ari Jaaksi, former head of OSSO/Next Generation Software/Maemo Software/Maemo Devices May 04 04:08:00 oh May 04 04:08:20 sorry, i'm ariana strangelove :) May 04 04:08:26 you highlighted me May 04 04:08:51 but i pronounce it the russki way May 04 04:09:09 stran gull lov May 04 04:09:10 Ah May 04 04:09:14 wmarone, thnx May 04 04:09:42 so about how long should it take to flash? May 04 04:09:57 30s or less May 04 04:10:01 :x May 04 04:10:01 one minute or less May 04 04:10:06 last time i did it May 04 04:10:14 but i onlyu flashed root May 04 04:10:14 well it sure it taking a while May 04 04:10:18 i musta messed something up May 04 04:10:28 you did full flash? May 04 04:10:28 im flashing root May 04 04:10:34 put into flash mode May 04 04:10:43 flashing root should be wuick May 04 04:10:45 Oh, right CMT May 04 04:10:51 CMT takes forever. May 04 04:10:58 full flash has to zero the fatfs May 04 04:11:00 in cmd prompt May 04 04:12:01 flasher.exe -F image.bin -f May 04 04:12:19 and my terminal is blinking May 04 04:12:23 but not much else happening May 04 04:12:37 well at least it's responding? May 04 04:12:38 file is in the same location as the flasher exe May 04 04:12:53 lol May 04 04:13:11 guess i should restart May 04 04:13:19 OK, 3 machines and 11.04 wont wake from sleep on any of them. May 04 04:13:22 but im scared to screw it up by unplugging it May 04 04:13:23 I'm not used to the WIndows flasher May 04 04:13:27 I can't possibly be the only one. . . . May 04 04:13:44 GAN900: #ubuntu May 04 04:14:06 GAN900: but seriously I'm using 11.04 and sleep is working for me so far, cross fingers May 04 04:14:07 yigal, tried early, Was ignored. Just like every other time I've tried #ubuntu. ;) May 04 04:14:07 k May 04 04:14:15 about how long should the emmc take? May 04 04:14:22 * wmarone spies a new tarball of GPL code from B&N May 04 04:14:26 im gonna leave this thing in flash mode May 04 04:14:30 and open another terminal May 04 04:14:59 wmarone: ? like Barnes and Nobles? May 04 04:15:03 yes May 04 04:15:21 wmarone: sweet them and their color nook May 04 04:15:29 correct May 04 04:15:47 i use flashed from sabayon linux May 04 04:15:48 I want to get one but I bought an oqo instead May 04 04:15:58 it'll be sweeter if I can get to the point I can burn Android off it completely May 04 04:16:11 c2pLaY: first of all use full-path\to\image.bin May 04 04:16:18 wmarone: it's not that open? May 04 04:16:22 ahh ok May 04 04:16:27 that might be part of the problem May 04 04:16:29 it's open enough and has a lot in common with the N900 May 04 04:16:34 SoC wise May 04 04:16:52 so about how long should the emmc take? May 04 04:16:56 wmarone: hmm, I drool then May 04 04:17:02 just so i'll have an idea if i've screwed it up? May 04 04:17:27 c2pLaY: less than 2min May 04 04:17:33 kk May 04 04:17:35 i think i got this May 04 04:18:06 I like that enthusiasm May 04 04:18:21 plus there's some progress indicator May 04 04:18:57 wmarone, MeeGo or? May 04 04:19:12 btw how is a hacked nook color? May 04 04:19:19 of course May 04 04:19:24 GAN900: meego of course May 04 04:19:24 can you run meego on it?? May 04 04:19:43 with luck the SGX drivers will... work May 04 04:19:45 maybe May 04 04:19:55 if that happens I'm purchasing 1 May 04 04:20:10 wmarone, let me know when you get it going. It's drawer fodder for me until Honeycomb AOSP or MeeGo. May 04 04:20:13 all these silly Android devices with their locked down hardware May 04 04:20:16 the nook color i've heard some about May 04 04:20:26 supposedly once hacked they are nice May 04 04:20:49 i bought the n900 because nokia was doing something cool May 04 04:20:56 GAN900: I've gotten it to boot to console on the 2.6.29 kernel, but I'm trying to port the drivers and whatnot forward to 2.6.38 so I can be somewhat closer to 2.6.37 May 04 04:20:56 who hasn't, if you're somewhat of a nerd :) May 04 04:21:00 then they made a deal with the demon May 04 04:21:17 dangergrrl: true that, double true May 04 04:21:37 GAN900: no joke, about the only thing I use it for at the moment is either hacking this stuff or for Firefox 4 May 04 04:21:47 don't they know that linux is from finland and windows from seattle? May 04 04:21:54 wmarone: FF4 on Android correct? May 04 04:21:57 yes May 04 04:22:01 wmarone: right May 04 04:22:14 dangergrrl: I'm from Seattle :( May 04 04:22:14 i wish ff4 didn't make my n900 useless May 04 04:22:24 sorry yigal May 04 04:22:29 i am from houston May 04 04:22:32 sorry for me too May 04 04:22:34 dangergrrl: thanks for caring, lol May 04 04:22:43 :) May 04 04:22:47 i worked in redmond May 04 04:22:55 how was it? May 04 04:23:00 see May 04 04:23:06 for a co making cell phone data colection hw May 04 04:23:19 lynxos May 04 04:23:24 nice May 04 04:23:32 i did scsi and x.25 drivers for them May 04 04:23:50 I'm only starting to realize that I need to work in the tech industry May 04 04:24:05 I got a degree in philosophy, then in physics May 04 04:24:05 multi initiator scsi is tricky May 04 04:24:12 uhm May 04 04:24:14 dangergrrl: I really like scsi May 04 04:24:23 I cam in with a Mac SE May 04 04:24:27 do you know the singularity is near? May 04 04:24:35 this shit makes me facepalm: http://pastebin.com/jiNVDg27 May 04 04:25:06 singularity as in? May 04 04:25:35 as in we will create a sentient life form capable of improving itself May 04 04:25:42 and boom May 04 04:25:51 we are irrelavent May 04 04:25:58 yes, that will be a beautiful occurance May 04 04:25:58 maybe we will make good pets May 04 04:26:12 most of humanity is irrelavent in the sense I think you're refering to May 04 04:26:15 we'll make great pets, according to Porno for Pyros May 04 04:26:16 at this moment May 04 04:26:21 lol May 04 04:26:24 lol May 04 04:26:25 that's a nice song May 04 04:26:33 it was an intentional reference May 04 04:26:35 we'll make great pets, we'll make great pets May 04 04:26:36 I'd use it if FBReader had sync May 04 04:26:41 lol May 04 04:26:49 i'm a scholar of modern history May 04 04:26:59 That'd be perfect. Read Nook at home and N900 everywhere else. May 04 04:27:03 dangergrrl: modern refering to what times? May 04 04:27:28 the here and now? May 04 04:27:31 1960-today May 04 04:27:36 cool May 04 04:27:46 kennedy forward May 04 04:28:09 and current events are ripe for conspiracy May 04 04:28:10 very interesting times we live in :) Chinese insult May 04 04:28:21 may you live in interesting times May 04 04:28:31 why did they kill bin laden? May 04 04:28:42 he should have had a trial May 04 04:28:42 because it looks good in the media May 04 04:28:43 sorry May 04 04:28:54 not for here May 04 04:29:07 maybe he knew something May 04 04:29:08 something for everyone to center around May 04 04:29:16 why the twin towers May 04 04:29:26 he was a CIA operative May 04 04:29:36 quite possibly May 04 04:30:00 and i'm not sure he was rogue May 04 04:30:24 lol May 04 04:30:25 he fit the agenda May 04 04:30:27 where in Texas? May 04 04:30:38 me? May 04 04:30:40 hutto May 04 04:30:43 yes, of course May 04 04:30:44 godawful May 04 04:30:56 just wondering how underrepresented you are May 04 04:31:04 I don't think I could do it May 04 04:31:05 i get to try out my 0-60 skills just to get a beer May 04 04:31:11 lol May 04 04:31:22 i'm a transsexual anarchist woman in texas May 04 04:31:31 i am nonrepresented here May 04 04:31:44 thankfully i vote in boulder colorado May 04 04:32:01 well you're 4 sigmas away from the mean, go girl May 04 04:32:12 at least May 04 04:32:14 i actually like jared May 04 04:32:43 in reference to what? May 04 04:32:53 the jewelery? May 04 04:32:58 jared polis is my congresscreep May 04 04:33:12 ah, ok May 04 04:33:12 lol May 04 04:33:16 lol May 04 04:33:19 "he went to jared" May 04 04:33:31 no May 04 04:33:57 Princeton man May 04 04:34:02 i have a gay progressive congressman and come from a very forward thinking community May 04 04:34:14 boulder is the smartest city in america May 04 04:34:25 forbes says so May 04 04:34:27 lol May 04 04:34:28 bs May 04 04:34:31 \i know May 04 04:34:34 that's really insane in Texas May 04 04:34:35 anyhow May 04 04:35:00 how do we take over the world with personal linux handhelds? May 04 04:35:19 joke? May 04 04:35:28 i think android helped more in egypt than maemo May 04 04:35:40 actually serious May 04 04:35:48 crowdsource reality May 04 04:35:59 Android so far is primarily infotainment May 04 04:36:14 al jazeera has crowdsourced news now May 04 04:36:17 wlan/bt based mesh May 04 04:36:30 that sounds good May 04 04:36:50 if we give the power to the commoners what will they do? May 04 04:36:59 make everything porn? May 04 04:37:06 sex sells May 04 04:37:08 :D May 04 04:38:12 and it is healthy is done responsibly May 04 04:38:22 if May 04 04:38:34 then it's great May 04 04:38:58 but i fear that much of the public is influenced by murdock May 04 04:39:15 i should go kill murloks May 04 04:39:34 murlocks or murdocks? May 04 04:39:41 lol, and now it's segfaulting on boot May 04 04:39:51 Goooo, Canonical! May 04 04:40:15 GAN900: fsck May 04 04:40:35 oh wow like double entendre May 04 04:40:45 yep May 04 04:40:46 triple or more? May 04 04:40:54 no I'm not that good May 04 04:41:00 he means ubuntu i think? May 04 04:41:16 fsck him May 04 04:41:20 just fsck him May 04 04:41:39 the little critters that gang rape low levels in WoW May 04 04:41:55 man am I going to have hangover tomorrow May 04 04:42:09 they are isomorphic to people who watch faux news May 04 04:42:16 lol May 04 04:42:32 I laugh because it's so true May 04 04:42:32 murdocks May 04 04:42:55 ah, yes now I understand May 04 04:43:01 "Apple fanboys may have religious fervor, but so too does its exchief evangelist Guy Kawasaki, who reckons that Apple's continued existance is evidence that there must be a god." May 04 04:43:22 steve jobs needs to go away May 04 04:43:28 (sorry for the highlight, not sure what HTML character made it happen) May 04 04:43:44 didn't here May 04 04:43:50 nope May 04 04:44:15 anyhow how do we get linux handhelds to the masses and will that cause social change? May 04 04:44:38 I just got an email informing me that the new iMac is quad core, wow May 04 04:44:56 i5 i7 May 04 04:44:58 owell May 04 04:45:00 dangergreel: you are skipping the most important question. May 04 04:45:07 sorry dangergrrl May 04 04:45:13 RST38h: and that is ... May 04 04:45:17 I wait with open ears May 04 04:45:32 yigal: "WHY?" May 04 04:45:33 i want to know too May 04 04:45:41 yes! May 04 04:45:45 no what? May 04 04:45:51 because i believe people are worth preserving May 04 04:46:09 Linux handhelds have nothing to do with the preservation of people May 04 04:46:13 I believe consciousness, intelligence are worth preserving May 04 04:46:20 humans eh May 04 04:46:37 Neither do they have anything with consciousness and intelligence May 04 04:46:44 lol May 04 04:46:44 Do not believe me? Check Slashdot comments. May 04 04:46:48 i believe that the machi9nes will have an attachment to their progenitors May 04 04:46:49 raspbeery jam to everybody! to save the world May 04 04:47:10 and they will all run nil May 04 04:47:24 DocScrutinizer51: the same as raspberry? May 04 04:47:27 dangergrrl: is that before or after skynet gains awareness? May 04 04:47:30 DocScrutinizer51: then I'm all for it May 04 04:47:37 which i have not written yet because i am lazy and need to join acm May 04 04:47:44 raspberry May 04 04:48:03 DocScrutinizer51: that's a wonderful wonderful idea May 04 04:48:12 Doc: In at least one SF book I know about, the raspberry jam came from the sky and teleport whole planet population in unknown direction May 04 04:48:14 the internet already has awareness May 04 04:48:18 teleported May 04 04:48:25 ds3: too late, I already took over May 04 04:48:26 So, do not underestimate =) May 04 04:49:36 this is too berry real for me May 04 04:51:12 RST38h: I asked you question about becoming a software engineer, would you strongly discourage me from getting an MS in computer science to get a job as a software engineer - or anyone else out there =)? May 04 04:51:16 just watch some al jazeera May 04 04:51:51 I have an MS in physics but I just don't have the contacts necessary to get a job May 04 04:51:53 get a MSEE May 04 04:51:59 MSCS is a joke May 04 04:52:16 ds3: but I want to be a software developer not a hardware guru May 04 04:52:23 don't matter May 04 04:52:27 ds3: hmm> May 04 04:52:29 learn the real stuff May 04 04:52:47 ;D May 04 04:52:54 MSCS is about writing huge bloated code because it is 'correct'; MSEE guys write tiny working code. May 04 04:53:02 yigal: what country? May 04 04:53:12 dangergrrl: I live in California May 04 04:53:31 i recommend boulder colorado May 04 04:53:42 nist is hiring i think May 04 04:53:48 hmm May 04 04:54:03 dept of commerce May 04 04:54:04 ds3: heh! May 04 04:54:23 Hello Where I can get sources of xt_owner kernel module for kernel-power? Or that module already comiled if it exists ? May 04 04:54:41 they have made the most signifigant discoveries of late May 04 04:54:55 einstein bose condensate May 04 04:55:12 and proof of the gravity effect on time May 04 04:55:24 from like a 1m distance May 04 04:55:46 dangergrrl: I don't like physics too many people just doing poor science and getting funding for it May 04 04:56:11 dangergrrl: It's time to get good at coding, something I really love May 04 04:56:11 but the truth is out there! May 04 04:56:12 lol May 04 04:56:19 it actually is May 04 04:56:19 dangergrrl: thx ;D May 04 04:56:23 yes May 04 04:56:33 depending on what questions one has May 04 04:56:47 some things are indeterminant May 04 04:56:51 and important May 04 04:57:06 allowing for freedom of a sort May 04 04:57:09 sounds like Friday May 04 04:57:10 that's why we need to learn to manipulate them from afar May 04 04:57:36 i want a us troop withdrawal from afghanistan May 04 04:58:59 yes, that's apparently a logical thought, regardless of what the powers at be want to do May 04 05:00:11 yigal: I won't May 04 05:00:31 too many people just doing poor and getting funding for it =) May 04 05:00:41 RST38h: :D May 04 05:00:55 (inser your own word into angular brackets) May 04 05:01:43 I need connections, and all of the internships I've found tell me I have to be a full time student at some institution May 04 05:02:28 so that an MS becomes a vehicle to a job May 04 05:03:09 when I did my MS I did very well academically but I didn't take crap from anyone and that burnt major bridges May 04 05:04:13 4.0 1500GRE but I can only ask 2 people for a recomendation, anyways we are all different, I'm not genius and I want a job thanks for the help May 04 05:04:49 so where is the raspberry jam? May 04 05:07:13 have you tried techtronix? May 04 05:07:18 or bell labs? May 04 05:07:36 you must enroll in a phd program for either May 04 05:07:47 hmm May 04 05:08:14 tek would likely take you in portland May 04 05:08:21 I'll check it out May 04 05:08:22 they have magic money May 04 05:08:28 I like Oregon May 04 05:08:34 they own the hdtv patents May 04 05:08:45 oh May 04 05:09:18 and they are in beaverton not portland in actuality May 04 05:09:28 near wher i worked in hillsboro May 04 05:09:36 jones farm 1 May 04 05:10:12 I'm pretty much a hippy, as long as I can work on pen and paper problems and chillax I'm good May 04 05:10:33 not sure if that makes sense, I'm sorry for making this about me May 04 05:11:33 s/hippy/huge nerd May 04 05:11:47 same thing i think May 04 05:12:04 i am going to the rainbow in washington state in june May 04 05:12:13 right on May 04 05:12:33 i believe in peace May 04 05:12:43 the alternative seems stupid May 04 05:12:58 war May 04 05:13:00 yes, :D May 04 05:13:04 what is it good for May 04 05:13:10 absolutely nothing May 04 05:13:14 heehee May 04 05:13:27 true that double true May 04 05:13:33 that song is older than me i think May 04 05:14:11 we need to come together as friends and figure out how we all can be healthy and productive and free May 04 05:14:23 1969 May 04 05:14:48 the alternative is to kill ourselves and save the environment May 04 05:14:54 :D May 04 05:14:58 you do want to save the environment, don't you? May 04 05:16:22 1 with the Universe that's all we have to be, damn I'm drunk May 04 05:16:35 dangergrrl: that 'we' is the dangerous part of your brain May 04 05:17:18 Jungian collective unconsciousness May 04 05:17:22 let's do it May 04 05:17:24 RST38h: I think that is rather harsh. Maybe we could simply moderate our breathing to cut the exhaling CO2 emissions? May 04 05:17:25 man :( May 04 05:17:38 flashing emmc May 04 05:17:42 breathe out to a plant May 04 05:17:43 paths have been specifiec May 04 05:18:00 but i can't tell if its working or not May 04 05:18:05 just got this phone May 04 05:18:07 c2pLaY: why do you give us programming problems when we're drunk on love May 04 05:18:10 jk May 04 05:18:14 RST38h: you are making an irrational argument May 04 05:18:15 :( May 04 05:18:18 i don't have much time May 04 05:18:23 c2pLaY: oh May 04 05:18:23 full time job May 04 05:18:24 sorry May 04 05:18:41 You should see how the logic of 'we' ends up May 04 05:18:42 part of healthy is to not corrupt the biosphere May 04 05:18:55 +1 May 04 05:19:00 when i say we i mean me May 04 05:19:09 -1 May 04 05:19:11 :D May 04 05:19:11 sorry i am an empress May 04 05:19:46 i rule the orion arm of the milky way May 04 05:20:17 just these softskulls do not recognizse me May 04 05:20:31 fiction May 04 05:21:11 i got 2 cursors blinking around in my command prompt May 04 05:21:17 is that a good thing :( May 04 05:21:25 sry to break up the convo tho :( May 04 05:21:31 but my delusions of grandeur nonwithstiding May 04 05:21:54 humans need to realize we are one and stop killing May 04 05:22:07 osama bin laden was part of me and you May 04 05:23:01 dangergrrl: I am making a completely rational argument, just not a human-centricone May 04 05:23:22 i am a humanist May 04 05:23:50 we are what can change the universe through intent May 04 05:24:05 i don't know that yhere are nonhumans who can May 04 05:24:38 to early for philosophy... May 04 05:25:37 are you soviet? May 04 05:26:13 what makes you think that May 04 05:26:24 dangergrrl: of course they are May 04 05:26:25 do you participate in lenin's day of cleaning? May 04 05:26:32 dangergrrl: ants, for example May 04 05:26:34 soviet or communist? May 04 05:26:35 what's that? May 04 05:26:41 you probably meant communist right? May 04 05:26:50 no i meant soviet May 04 05:26:54 what about commonism? May 04 05:26:57 dangergrrl: corals, May 04 05:27:05 there was a day of cleaning last week in moscow May 04 05:27:20 dangergrrl: bats and birds with their massive dropping deposits, they all change the world May 04 05:27:31 started by nicholai lenie May 04 05:27:33 lenin May 04 05:27:41 anyhow prove they have intent May 04 05:27:45 they do not change the universe, but neither do humans :) May 04 05:28:05 humans do May 04 05:28:14 ants definitely have intent to build housing for themselves=) May 04 05:28:16 we have a little toy car or three on mars May 04 05:28:36 nasa is a joke May 04 05:28:39 what lenin did wasn't communism, it was tirany May 04 05:28:55 GNUtoo|laptop: maybe the two are the same thing May 04 05:29:05 * RST38h sighs: Westerners and their perception of Lenin... May 04 05:29:06 that or marxism May 04 05:29:15 but we're being a bit picky aren't we May 04 05:29:17 I don't think he followed marksism May 04 05:29:24 and we aren't in capitalism either now May 04 05:29:27 lenin is my hero May 04 05:29:32 :/ May 04 05:29:44 which just goes to show, some people never learn May 04 05:29:47 s/either/anymore/ May 04 05:29:48 GNUtoo|laptop meant: and we aren't in capitalism anymore now May 04 05:29:51 dangergrrl: You can always come here and admire the corpse! May 04 05:29:58 GNUtoo|laptop, sadly we are in capitalism May 04 05:30:04 GNUtoo|laptop: very true May 04 05:30:10 there is no such thing as capitalism May 04 05:30:10 ruskie: this is not capitalism. May 04 05:30:22 capitalism is about capital, we're in something else where there is finance, protection of monopolism etc... May 04 05:30:23 i'd call it an oligarchy actually May 04 05:30:26 you might as well say we have 'laborism' May 04 05:30:28 or 'machinism' May 04 05:30:33 its gone beyond capitalism May 04 05:30:37 ruskie: when you can be made/destroyed by a government, it's not capitalism May 04 05:30:39 indeed May 04 05:30:42 capital is just one essential ingredient of economic production May 04 05:30:50 c2pLaY: or hasn't gotten to that far yet May 04 05:30:56 what we have now is practically fascism May 04 05:31:07 states control a lot of production through private companies May 04 05:31:11 corporatism? May 04 05:31:20 are you guys all talking about the same place?>\ =) May 04 05:31:24 no clue May 04 05:31:26 lol no May 04 05:31:28 I'm confused as well May 04 05:31:33 c2pLaY: sure, though in case you forget, corporations are, by definition, government entities. May 04 05:31:35 c2pLaY: corporatism is a word with a well-defined meaning May 04 05:31:36 he was faulty May 04 05:31:45 i think we're referring to western civilization in general May 04 05:32:04 im in canada May 04 05:32:07 Corporations are NOT, by definition, gvernment entities. May 04 05:32:08 if corporations are government entities we live in a soviet state May 04 05:32:09 there's some small differences May 04 05:32:12 but not really May 04 05:32:16 RST38h: yes, they are. May 04 05:32:20 Some pretty much are, nowadays, but not by definition May 04 05:32:34 maybe totalitarianism would be a better term May 04 05:32:35 dangergrrl<-- never lived in a soviet state =) May 04 05:32:36 do you have a choice in government? May 04 05:32:42 either way we're all scewed May 04 05:33:01 RST38h: they're not government run, but corporations are organisations that come about due to government requirements/incentives. Look up the history of "corporation". May 04 05:33:11 no May 04 05:33:20 i got a choice between a man who promised 100 years of war and a man who lied through his teeth about what he would do May 04 05:33:22 unless people start kicking out the bums and voting in the right representitives May 04 05:33:31 RST38h: no to ? May 04 05:33:31 right dangergrrl May 04 05:33:38 heh May 04 05:33:45 yeah the choices aren't that great May 04 05:33:47 A corporation is a way for a business owner to protect himself from the risks related to the running of business May 04 05:33:49 and satrah palin May 04 05:33:54 in a majority of situations May 04 05:33:54 she scared me May 04 05:34:07 dangergrrl: Take the Sarah, for the LULZ! May 04 05:34:08 lol May 04 05:34:13 sure May 04 05:34:18 RST38h: that's an incentive, but not the only one, and definitely not the originating one. May 04 05:34:19 corporations shouldn't be liable? May 04 05:34:24 is that really what ur saying? May 04 05:34:32 you don't actually believe that do you? May 04 05:34:37 doc: It is a legal incentive, but it does not make corp a government entity, sorry May 04 05:34:43 c2play: No May 04 05:34:47 we should al be liable May 04 05:34:52 RST38h: you haven't looked up the history, have you? May 04 05:34:53 kk just making sure May 04 05:35:06 there was a great choice in 2007 May 04 05:35:08 c2play: What I am saying is that a business owner is not PERSONALLY liable for the losses accrued by his incorporated business May 04 05:35:11 RST38h: "A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members." May 04 05:35:17 i take responsibility for my actions May 04 05:35:22 should not you? May 04 05:35:27 doc: Ok, and where is the government here? May 04 05:35:27 union carbide May 04 05:35:36 RST38h: given "legal" = what the governments decide is law, that makes it a government (perhaps I should have added designated?) entity. May 04 05:35:42 * RST38h sighs again May 04 05:35:51 should they pay 5mil? May 04 05:35:56 doc: You have got a driver's license, haven'tyou? May 04 05:35:59 or more perhaps? May 04 05:36:00 RST38h: no May 04 05:36:07 the corporatoins and government are on the same team May 04 05:36:13 doc: Ok. Got a passport then? May 04 05:36:15 c2pLaY: many are May 04 05:36:17 RST38h: yes May 04 05:36:20 should union carbide pay the people in india they injured? May 04 05:36:24 so they pretty much are part of the government May 04 05:36:29 now May 04 05:36:34 not officially May 04 05:36:36 but that's the way it is May 04 05:36:41 they don't May 04 05:36:41 doc:Nice. Passport makes you a legal entity, acting under the laws of the state which issued you a passport May 04 05:36:46 yes men May 04 05:36:51 is a great film May 04 05:37:01 it was entertaining for sure May 04 05:37:12 that phoney news conference was the best part for sure May 04 05:37:16 i was loling so hard May 04 05:37:21 and they were morally right May 04 05:37:23 RST38h: I don't see a parallel. May 04 05:37:32 dangergrrl: I think Union Carbide should detonate whatever they release into atmosphere, with a huge bang and flash that can be seen from space May 04 05:37:40 dangergrrl: For the LULZ May 04 05:37:48 RST38h: I'm still an individual, I just hold a passport from my country. May 04 05:37:53 no for the principals May 04 05:37:59 les? May 04 05:38:05 RST38h: corporations are not the same. They are separate entities. May 04 05:38:19 just like you are a separate entity May 04 05:38:22 is microsoft bill gates? May 04 05:38:35 is whoracle larry ellison? May 04 05:38:40 corporations were created with jurisdiction in mind May 04 05:38:43 doc: so are you May 04 05:38:58 its all about contracts May 04 05:38:59 those people are outside the law May 04 05:39:02 RST38h: what? May 04 05:39:05 and law May 04 05:39:18 that's why your name on your drivers licence May 04 05:39:24 is all capital letters May 04 05:39:29 dangergrrl: Bonus points for radioactive pollution, sufficient to scare humans off, yet insufficient to seriously harmthe wildlife May 04 05:39:41 cause you are a fictional corporate entity May 04 05:39:43 anyhow i was trying to tal about how we can bring freedom to the world with handsets May 04 05:39:49 doc: you are a separate legal entity May 04 05:39:49 under maritime jurisdiciton May 04 05:39:56 c2pLaY: it's still you though, it's not the license itself that's the entity. May 04 05:40:04 doc: if you kill someone, YOU get prosecuted, not your family or school or city May 04 05:40:07 RST38h: yes, and the license doesn't change that. May 04 05:40:07 my name is legally all lowercase May 04 05:40:09 you are correct doc May 04 05:40:09 Hence: SEPARATE legal entity May 04 05:40:16 but there are two different entities May 04 05:40:27 RST38h: separate from what? the passport changes nothing May 04 05:40:29 and spelled with alpha May 04 05:40:32 the human being and the fictional entity May 04 05:40:55 yes they are very seperate May 04 05:40:58 doc: Separate from other legal entities of course, same as any corporation in fact May 04 05:41:06 except for in criminal matters im pretty sure May 04 05:41:14 dangegrrl: no digits though? May 04 05:41:18 RST38h: that doesn't make any sense. A corporation is separate from its owners. May 04 05:41:27 as you said. May 04 05:41:33 alpha r i alpha na May 04 05:41:36 doc: correct. so what? May 04 05:41:36 or maybe criminal law applies to common law jurisdiction May 04 05:41:53 RST38h: so it's not the same. I am not separate from my passport. May 04 05:41:57 no but i am into body mod May 04 05:42:03 my passport is not an entity in its own right. May 04 05:42:08 you are seperate from your passport May 04 05:42:10 doc: Your passport is not a separate legal entity. It is a document, a piece of paper May 04 05:42:12 i think i will get magnets in my fingers soon May 04 05:42:25 RST38h: that's what I've been saying since the very beginning!! :) May 04 05:42:33 cause you can choose when to be an "individual" and or " fictional entity" May 04 05:42:33 RST38h: so they are not parallels! May 04 05:42:45 RST38h: anyway, time for me to eat. May 04 05:42:46 doc: But YOU are a separate legal entity. So is a corporation. May 04 05:43:04 RST38h is correct May 04 05:43:04 Your passport is the proof of you being a separate legal entity May 04 05:43:18 For the coporation, the proof is probably going to be the rules of incorporation or something May 04 05:43:20 RST38h: I am a person. I can not be dissolved, or created. A corporation can. It is not the same thing. May 04 05:43:25 Also a piece of paper, when it comes down to it May 04 05:43:37 doc: Of course you can be dissolved May 04 05:43:37 RST38h: a corporation only exists because a government permits it to. By definition. May 04 05:43:51 what? how? May 04 05:43:52 doc: plenty of ways to do that May 04 05:44:04 doc: various chemicals mostly May 04 05:44:08 hehe May 04 05:44:14 disolved isn't the same as dead May 04 05:44:19 RST38h: I live in a civilised country where they don't do that kind of thing :P May 04 05:44:24 brb May 04 05:44:30 c2play: no, but there is an arrow there May 04 05:44:32 but depends on which jurisdiction you are talking about May 04 05:44:52 doc: Unless they absolutely need it of course. May 04 05:44:55 a natural person cannot be disolved May 04 05:45:05 just dead May 04 05:45:07 :) May 04 05:45:49 like kennedy May 04 05:45:57 it's a bit unsettling when one does as well at chess drunk if not better than one is sober May 04 05:45:57 0_o May 04 05:46:11 I must relax May 04 05:46:33 yigal: i suck at chess May 04 05:46:41 how about spades? May 04 05:46:42 yigal: think of the giraffes. the color. the neck. the spots. May 04 05:47:11 * RST38h goes to work. Screw the giraffes. May 04 05:47:15 err, .. lol May 04 05:47:28 i would love a 4 player spades now May 04 05:47:47 i have never done bridge May 04 05:48:07 I here that it can be quite a complex adventure May 04 05:48:19 supposed to be more computational than chess May 04 05:48:30 well then there's Go May 04 05:48:52 the master of these types of games, I'm not so good at that May 04 05:48:58 which is deceptivly simple May 04 05:49:13 as is so much of the good stuff May 04 05:49:27 spades is an emotional play in person May 04 05:49:49 you read your partner May 04 05:49:52 I like games, they rock May 04 05:50:05 how many pages/minutes jk May 04 05:50:13 i lijke partner games May 04 05:50:30 ya it's a great way to learn to work together May 04 05:50:36 btw the finns are the most lethal army May 04 05:51:00 how do you make that assesment May 04 05:51:15 50 year old statistics need not apply! May 04 05:51:16 finns vs stalin 1939 winter war May 04 05:51:21 * doc|home saw that coming May 04 05:51:29 so you win May 04 05:51:31 lol May 04 05:51:43 the russians didn't have nukes in 39 May 04 05:51:50 guerilla war May 04 05:51:58 they still beat 100:1 May 04 05:52:00 locals got home team advtange May 04 05:52:08 dangergrrl: that's nothing compared to what a few nukes can do :) May 04 05:52:26 nukes are off the table May 04 05:52:33 nonsense May 04 05:52:37 nukes are never off the table May 04 05:52:41 fighting is off the table for me May 04 05:52:59 so your deadliness ratio is 0:1, with you being the 1 they get :) May 04 05:53:01 as has already been mentioned a thousand times over the firebombing in WW2 was far more damaging than nukes for Nihon May 04 05:53:14 you want to hurt me? May 04 05:53:21 ;D May 04 05:53:25 i will not resist May 04 05:53:41 so what May 04 05:53:44 yigal: not on a per bomb basis :) May 04 05:53:57 kmfdm May 04 05:53:59 4 sure May 04 05:55:07 good band May 04 05:55:09 ? May 04 05:56:25 seattle May 04 05:56:33 when? May 04 05:56:41 anyhow what news should i watch? May 04 05:56:53 they moved to seatlle May 04 05:57:19 like 10 years ago May 04 05:57:22 there are many "news" media sources May 04 05:57:32 kpfa or kpfk are fun May 04 05:57:33 i like rt May 04 05:57:42 I think you would like them May 04 05:57:43 kpft May 04 05:57:54 yep May 04 05:58:00 for CA May 04 05:58:04 i grew up on kpft May 04 05:58:15 houston May 04 05:58:16 kpfa is the first pacifica, berekley May 04 05:58:25 kpfa 2nd in los angeles May 04 05:58:28 kpfk is la? May 04 05:58:30 and then it spread May 04 05:58:32 yep May 04 05:58:42 peace May 04 05:58:46 peace May 04 05:58:47 at any cost May 04 05:59:02 in love's name May 04 05:59:16 would you love hitler? May 04 05:59:26 or obama? May 04 05:59:27 hypothetical question to a Jew May 04 05:59:35 yes I love all May 04 05:59:47 what he does is wrong May 04 06:00:00 love isn't right or wrong May 04 06:00:22 it's blind May 04 06:00:23 wrong is wrong and right is right and they are unrelated to love May 04 06:00:28 osama deserved the light of truth May 04 06:00:37 it's universeal May 04 06:00:41 all he got was the light from a flash of a muzzle May 04 06:00:55 and that was unrighteous May 04 06:01:14 meh, righteousness is overrated for mass murderers May 04 06:01:29 obama is a mass murderer May 04 06:01:30 complexity is unrelated to mass adoption May 04 06:01:36 dangergrrl: no argument here May 04 06:01:45 bush too May 04 06:01:51 agreed May 04 06:02:03 why are we different? May 04 06:02:15 dangergrrl: dunno about you, but I'm not a mass murderer May 04 06:02:22 i am not either May 04 06:02:29 i may be a rapist May 04 06:02:49 we are all somewhat evil May 04 06:03:08 bush pretended to be an idiot and gave up his chance for me to respect him May 04 06:03:10 but i do not believe in original sin May 04 06:03:19 bush lied May 04 06:03:23 people died May 04 06:03:42 obama lied too though May 04 06:03:46 how dare a person pretend to be an idiot and start a war, when he isn't May 04 06:03:53 of course both are at fault for this May 04 06:04:01 what's to do May 04 06:04:02 ? May 04 06:04:03 and he covered up bush lie by killing the evidence May 04 06:04:31 bush brought down the wtc May 04 06:04:56 obama the lesser of 2 evils Cheney/Palin vs. Obama? May 04 06:05:10 never a reasonable choice May 04 06:05:15 his best friend is osama bin laden brother May 04 06:05:52 jello for president May 04 06:06:02 my homeboy May 04 06:06:13 but he does not run May 04 06:06:21 he sponsors nader May 04 06:06:23 how related are Bush and Obama? May 04 06:06:25 y May 04 06:06:35 very May 04 06:06:38 yigal: same father, and mother May 04 06:06:44 yigal: they were US presidents at some point in their life May 04 06:06:46 lol May 04 06:06:49 not true May 04 06:06:57 but ssshhh, don't tell the demopublicans May 04 06:07:01 no no, 11th cousins ok May 04 06:07:07 same falsehoods May 04 06:07:11 still a bit odd May 04 06:07:12 indeed May 04 06:07:23 yigal: politically speaking, they could be twins May 04 06:07:30 we deserve better May 04 06:07:47 so why do you keep voting them May 04 06:07:48 if you believe that policitcally Obama and Bush could be twins I feel pity for you May 04 06:07:51 doc|home: none observes that but amy goodman May 04 06:08:14 we deserve someone with an iq of 180 who is interested in world peace but we're not going to get it without a fight, and do we really want an oligarchy anyways May 04 06:08:24 they both represent opression of the lower class May 04 06:08:25 dangergrrl: plenty observe that, though I'm no fan of amy goodman either personally. Not since she started inviting Naomi Klein onto the show. What a moron. May 04 06:08:48 chx: really, then where's the change? May 04 06:08:51 amy tells truth May 04 06:09:07 who do you believe? May 04 06:09:11 glenn beck? May 04 06:09:15 doc|home: there has been change even if not enough. it's slow hard work. May 04 06:09:21 dangergrrl: thanks for the assumptions. Much appreciated. May 04 06:09:35 no i assume nothing May 04 06:09:40 dangergrrl: you just did. May 04 06:09:47 but what did she do wrong? May 04 06:10:00 chx: like the troops being taken out of iraq, and the closing of gitmo? How about the patriot act? wait, no, he voted *for* that. Erm... erm... hmmm... May 04 06:10:01 I believe Beck Hansen May 04 06:10:14 glenn beck is obviously an idot May 04 06:10:15 dangergrrl: naomi klein is more than enough May 04 06:10:36 what did naomi say? May 04 06:11:18 dangergrrl: and there's the guy who wrote the blackwater book whose name I can't remember offhand. Talk about a weird way of viewing things. A company funded by the government is somehow an example of what private security would be?! May 04 06:11:18 ino amy is not impartial May 04 06:11:24 dangergrrl: aye May 04 06:11:38 she is partial to my views May 04 06:12:01 wisconsin is a mess May 04 06:12:09 anyway, eating time. bye May 04 06:12:25 peace May 04 06:12:30 we need socialixation May 04 06:12:46 dangergrrl: you really don't. May 04 06:12:48 i should try sleep(0) May 04 06:13:00 yes May 04 06:13:08 we need bandwidth May 04 06:13:12 madnated May 04 06:13:15 no you don't May 04 06:13:19 1 gb May 04 06:13:20 you *want* bandwidth May 04 06:13:20 ;) May 04 06:13:25 need != want May 04 06:13:29 no we need May 04 06:13:42 why? May 04 06:13:47 democracy and freedom need it May 04 06:14:01 I want 1gb, but you know what, I won't pay for it. Why? it's not worth it. 10mb is more than enough... May 04 06:14:07 so i can watch my heroine live in hd May 04 06:14:10 so why expect everyone else pay for it? May 04 06:14:29 dangergrrl: you can do that on 10mb May 04 06:14:34 it should be avail May 04 06:14:44 chatanooga has 1gb May 04 06:14:45 also, watching your heroine is a want, not a need May 04 06:14:50 cost 350/mp May 04 06:15:12 o May 04 06:15:23 * doc|home gone May 04 06:15:24 anyhow amy is sweet May 04 06:15:28 love her May 04 06:15:43 and she plays on n900 May 04 06:16:06 \so we should make a 1000 tablet May 04 06:16:38 needs 8gb ram May 04 06:16:50 handheld May 04 06:17:09 runs gebtoo May 04 06:17:13 gentoo May 04 06:46:38 dangergrrl: are you a vegetarian? May 04 06:50:27 as I thought this is the world we live in May 04 07:19:47 hey, anyone here work with qml on mac? May 04 08:04:57 back May 04 08:05:04 anything important? May 04 08:10:25 hey wazd, how are things May 04 08:17:42 RST38h: heya :) Workin' hard on my presentation :) May 04 08:19:08 wazd: Ah, isn't it going to be interactive? =) May 04 08:31:12 "Dude, did I hear you talk to your weed?" "Yeah" "Haha, does it have a name?" "Q'ran" "Haha... Wait... what? Why?" "Cuz when you burn and smoke it, you get stoned." May 04 08:35:54 morning May 04 08:36:06 hey crashanddie long time no see May 04 08:36:20 yeah, been busy May 04 08:36:47 how's you, chem|st? May 04 08:36:52 fine May 04 08:37:24 like in I am ready to shoot a bullet in my head but still try to get over these QM forms May 04 08:37:37 but fine ;) May 04 08:37:55 an you? what kept you busy so long May 04 08:38:08 work :) May 04 08:38:09 Life. May 04 08:38:50 reminds me to buy the t-shirt reading "what for this shit I logged off?" May 04 09:00:10 RST38h: I hope not :D May 04 09:00:30 RST38h: don't have enough time to make interactive demos :( May 04 09:05:01 Morning May 04 09:21:43 wazd: No, I thought you were going to ask for UI designs from the audience and work through them? May 04 09:25:56 RST38h: Nope, the idea is to tell about latest trends in UI/UX using existing community software :) May 04 09:28:40 RST38h: for example: http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1105/46/f461a91955e5.jpg (wip) May 04 09:29:03 RST38h: Ed Page's audiobook player :) May 04 09:29:17 wazd: ! May 04 09:29:30 wazd: Does it run under Maemo5? =) May 04 09:30:25 RST38h: it only runs under photoshop currently :) May 04 09:30:49 RST38h: but I don't see a big problem to run it under m5 :) May 04 09:31:51 wazd: As long as Photoshop runs there, indeed =) May 04 09:33:35 Meanwhile: 4.8" Acer phone hits the FCC May 04 09:37:50 4.8? awesome :) May 04 09:39:55 PID PPID USER STAT RSS %MEM %CPU COMMAND May 04 09:39:58 16515 16514 user R 24672 10.0 16.3 ./daimonin --server=1 May 04 09:40:00 WINNING!!!!! May 04 09:43:15 winning what? May 04 09:43:43 you mean running the daimonin server on fone? ;) May 04 10:47:02 joga no, client May 04 10:47:23 idling at about 22.2% atm, 305mA current drain May 04 10:47:38 i have no idea how it got below 20 May 04 10:48:24 hawt. May 04 10:51:03 Is there a way to prevent "pocket blank", that is the display won't activate when receiving a call, if it's in a pocket? May 04 10:51:34 what's daimonin? May 04 10:52:09 a simple online roguelike with decent looking isometric graphics May 04 10:52:18 305mA sounds high :) May 04 10:52:33 if i let it run full-bore it pulls 470 mA May 04 10:52:56 been at it a couple of weeks to get it down from 370 :/ May 04 10:53:08 now it's back around 330 May 04 10:55:35 even if i reduce screen updates to 1 fps it still wants to pull 280mA May 04 10:56:00 'Cause it's not the CPU that uses power, realy May 04 10:56:04 Screen uses /far/ more May 04 10:56:14 bout 120 mA atm May 04 10:57:34 pupcow: powertop May 04 10:58:03 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management May 04 10:58:07 Damn - I need to finish this May 04 10:58:19 what do you think i can learn from powertop May 04 10:58:27 how much the backlight is using? May 04 10:58:31 tell me SpeedEvil May 04 10:58:38 i know how much the backlight is using May 04 10:58:42 so tell me May 04 10:58:59 btw powertop segfaults here May 04 11:00:15 Hukka: what are you trying to achive? May 04 11:00:34 The power used on the backlight is essentially negligable usually if you have it set to the dimmest May 04 11:00:45 see 'advanced backlight widget' May 04 11:00:48 pupcow: powertop wfm May 04 11:00:48 Or whatever it's called May 04 11:00:49 wow, so is my car if i don't drive it May 04 11:00:54 chem|st: I have a transparent pocket that the proximity sensor sees as opaque. I can operate the phone just fine through it, but when I'm called the screen does not activate May 04 11:01:24 chem|st: If there was a way to enable/disable that, I could use it when I put my phone in the pocket and take it out May 04 11:01:37 pupcow: from powertop you can learn in more detail what exactly is using the 330mA May 04 11:01:48 for example what May 04 11:01:59 powertop segfaults btw May 04 11:02:27 pupcow: read it and don't knwo why your powertop segfaults... May 04 11:02:30 Yes, it does. it always does May 04 11:02:40 It returns some good data, though May 04 11:02:41 run powertop as root May 04 11:02:43 Hukka: why are you using a transparent pocket? May 04 11:03:10 just cut out the bit on top of the sensor... May 04 11:03:41 chem|st: Ummm, I really don't like that idea May 04 11:03:49 As it is, the pocket is weatherproof May 04 11:03:50 Hukka: why? May 04 11:04:25 ah ok, n900 resists 0.5L cokeed-wheat-beer, smells funny but survived May 04 11:04:56 Well, even then wouldn't want to risk it, nor let rain go into the rest of the pocket May 04 11:05:26 And it's not really a matter of "surviving" as "operating as usual" May 04 11:05:27 rain? are you living in the rain forest or england that rain is a big issue May 04 11:05:39 Just Finland May 04 11:05:45 water can kill your n900 May 04 11:05:54 pupcow: so can staring at it May 04 11:06:20 ok SpeedEvil what does this mean May 04 11:06:22 usbhost |OFF: 100%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 0%| now:(OFF) May 04 11:06:22 sgx |OFF: 100%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 0%| now:(OFF) May 04 11:06:22 per |OFF: 0%|RET: 50%|INA: 0%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) May 04 11:06:22 dss |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 100%| now:(ON) May 04 11:06:25 cam |OFF: 100%|RET: 0%|INA: 0%| ON: 0%| now:(OFF) May 04 11:06:27 core |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 50%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) May 04 11:06:30 neon |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 50%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) May 04 11:06:32 mpu |OFF: 0%|RET: 0%|INA: 50%| ON: 49%| now:(ON) May 04 11:06:39 pupcow: Next time, pastebin May 04 11:06:45 ugh flood May 04 11:06:51 the point is that answering phonecalls in a sealed pocket wont give good results at the earpiece volume May 04 11:07:18 chem|st: Of course not May 04 11:07:31 so why answer them? May 04 11:07:33 But there are speaker and handsfree options May 04 11:07:53 handsfree options do not need a working display if chosen right May 04 11:08:02 but I understand your issue May 04 11:08:40 Also it's a matter of even noticing the call, if I'm not wearing the earplugs May 04 11:09:00 pupcow: pastebin the whole output! May 04 11:09:40 pupcow: The Off refers to how much the functional unit is switched off. The on to how much it's used, the ina to how much timr it's on but inactive May 04 11:11:57 what's "per"? May 04 11:12:04 what's "dss" May 04 11:12:17 Also it would be nice to make the display activate on touch when it has gone to idle sleep May 04 11:12:18 peripheral May 04 11:18:54 Hukka: search for "not deactivating touchscreen when going blank" or something in tmo May 04 11:19:05 Hukka: read about it somewhere May 04 11:19:14 I'll try that. I've been searching, but not with those keywords May 04 11:20:08 Hukka: that means that you have to lock the touchscreen by hand - gets anoying over time May 04 11:20:33 Sure, but given a proper command line spell, I would make a small app that would toggle it May 04 11:21:12 as if it is laying there screen off you have to remember if it is idle off or not as you want to put it in oyur pocket May 04 11:21:34 I was thinking about making the same script change the notification light May 04 11:21:43 Would be easy to see when it's in special mode May 04 11:22:09 yeah but gets interupted with anything from mce May 04 11:22:22 sounds like a battery drainer May 04 11:22:30 chem|st: It might not work sure, but don't shoot the idea down before I have even managed to try it! May 04 11:22:57 If you don't know how to do it, just say so, not tell me that I don't want it at all May 04 11:24:55 MCE does not flash lights with MCE May 04 11:25:01 MCE uses the hw LED flasher May 04 11:25:29 Heh, I found the opposite; how to keep the display on without touch control May 04 11:27:39 DocScrutinizer: how precise are the accelerometers in the n900 May 04 11:27:53 MohammadAG: or you could know that ^^ May 04 11:27:55 Not very May 04 11:28:03 From memory - 18mg is the resolution May 04 11:28:04 heh, you got the datasheet - no? May 04 11:28:11 DocScrutinizer: nope May 04 11:28:13 The accuracy is 4 or 5 lsbs May 04 11:28:18 google lsm303dlh May 04 11:28:21 for the datasheet May 04 11:28:32 whut? May 04 11:28:36 Then it gets more complex - there is noise - which is not listed in the datasheet. May 04 11:28:37 lis302 May 04 11:28:40 errr May 04 11:28:42 sorry, yes May 04 11:29:04 I've been looking at the lsm303 datasheet, and got confused. Above answers are correct though May 04 11:29:17 I am looking for something to log accel over time with sensitivity <0.4G May 04 11:29:29 It can do that then. May 04 11:29:41 why 0.4g? May 04 11:29:58 machine specification is <0.4G vibrations May 04 11:30:18 easy May 04 11:30:25 so I need something thats noise is lower than <0.4G May 04 11:30:33 It's much more complex thern. May 04 11:30:54 but you'll want to use full fledged 400Hz samplefreq May 04 11:31:20 As while at rDC the resolution is comfortably under 0.4Hz - resonances in the case and other things would make me suspect any frequencies much over 10hz May 04 11:31:49 DocScrutinizer: what is the full name of it as I get various lis302xxx things May 04 11:31:59 lis302dl May 04 11:35:01 is there an cli for it or have I to mess with bare I2C May 04 11:35:12 There is a sysnode May 04 11:35:24 configurable May 04 11:35:59 sensitivity 18mg/digit May 04 11:36:14 morning :) May 04 11:36:51 +- 10mg at 20°C May 04 11:37:10 I think that's 10 digits, not miligee May 04 11:37:15 lsbs May 04 11:37:44 is says zero g +-0.5 mg/°C May 04 11:38:11 That's the drift May 04 11:38:16 yeah May 04 11:38:25 It doesn't work that way May 04 11:38:29 The zero is not at 0C May 04 11:38:36 It's probably at 25C May 04 11:38:43 There is an additional accuracy spec May 04 11:39:00 max delta at 25°C it says May 04 11:39:14 ok - loaded now May 04 11:39:20 so I have 5*0.5mg for 20°?! May 04 11:39:49 Table 3. May 04 11:39:51 Mechanical characteristics(1) May 04 11:39:51 +-40mg for 2G range May 04 11:39:52 (All the parameters are specified @ Vdd=2.5 V, T = 25°C unless otherwise noted) May 04 11:39:56 TyOff - typical zero g level offset accuracy - +-40mg May 04 11:40:06 Or 60 at high range May 04 11:40:23 DocScrutinizer: thats table 2 but nvm May 04 11:40:34 that's offset, completely irrelevant for your usecase May 04 11:40:39 It will then drift by .01% of fullscale per C May 04 11:40:44 Max. May 04 11:41:34 So for +-2g, that's 4 milligee per C May 04 11:41:43 From 25C nominal May 04 11:41:56 so how do I put that thing in 0 bit mode and the frequency to 400kHz and log it? May 04 11:42:05 * chem|st has no clue about that thing May 04 11:42:14 Then you haver the 18mg resoluition, and noise. May 04 11:42:26 I had shell script, but I lost it May 04 11:42:54 chem|st: check what sysnodes you got May 04 11:43:25 echo 400 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/rate May 04 11:43:43 while true May 04 11:43:44 do May 04 11:43:46 cat coord May 04 11:43:47 done May 04 11:44:36 well, you *might* want to add a `sleep 0.0025` May 04 11:44:42 ;-) May 04 11:45:07 as there's no proper event driven sync to datarate afaik May 04 11:45:10 yeah May 04 11:48:14 of course the overhead in a shellscript starts to become unbearable on that usecase. Just the 400 times /s opening and closing the sysnode is crap May 04 11:48:51 you definitely want to implement that in c May 04 11:49:41 I don't know what's up May 04 11:49:48 That used to go at 400/sec May 04 11:49:51 Odd May 04 11:49:56 And not use too much CPU May 04 11:50:03 o.O May 04 11:50:29 usually (as you need root) you will freeze the device with such a script May 04 11:51:10 maybe waiting for IO (here I2C) made it work May 04 11:51:25 yeah May 04 11:52:29 still all the stat(), open(), close() in cat are fugly May 04 11:52:41 you people are the hackers here I have no idea... simplest setup: set 400kHz, read coord and write to accel.log in current folder till ctrl-c'ed, reset rate to 100kHz May 04 11:52:55 Indeed. May 04 11:52:57 Hello Where I can get sources of xt_owner kernel module for kernel-power? May 04 11:52:59 Hz May 04 11:53:05 Hz May 04 11:53:09 400Hz... May 04 11:53:32 what's xt_owner?? May 04 11:54:47 DocScrutinizer, for iptables May 04 11:54:59 It's a netfilter or whatever they're calling it these days - module to allow filtering of net connections by owner May 04 11:55:13 I need it for transparent torifying May 04 11:55:16 chem|st: try tail instead cat, and exec >accel.log May 04 11:55:25 I use it with rtmpsuck to copy flash content May 04 11:55:39 It only outputs one May 04 11:55:53 one reading May 04 11:56:42 hey, i'm trying to build for maemo from qtsdk on a mac, and I have trouble with glibc.h missing. how does one go about adding external library headers to the sysroot thing? May 04 11:57:07 hmm, then maybe exec < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord >accel.log and simply use cat without any parameters May 04 11:57:22 meh, write a proper c proggie May 04 11:58:44 DocScrutinizer: shiprolling seems to have a logger functionality May 04 12:02:15 And where did you get it? I cannot find a package "rtmpsuck" through apt|aptitude May 04 12:02:50 it says it exports a logfile... try to find / it as it isn't in MyDocs... May 04 12:03:34 linuxparanoid: it's part of rtmpdump May 04 12:06:47 SpeedEvil, and how it can load a module which is not in the system? May 04 12:07:05 It can't. May 04 12:07:07 # find / -name "*xt_owner*"/lib/xtables/libxt_owner.so May 04 12:07:27 You need to compile it, or get it compiled for your kernel. May 04 12:07:34 DocScrutinizer: what are the readings in? mg? May 04 12:07:41 but I have no it in /lib/kernel May 04 12:07:47 prolly May 04 12:08:00 ok May 04 12:08:50 -54 -54 -1008 - so yes, mg May 04 12:09:08 SpeedEvil, when I can get sources for its compiling? Compatible with my installed kernel and architecture of my device? May 04 12:09:42 so 0 is parallel to ground and -1000 is antirectangular... May 04 12:09:45 and so on May 04 12:09:46 Wherever you got your current kernel, under the proivisions of the GPL licence. May 04 12:10:11 oh oh.. is there a simple way to upgrade sdk to cssu? May 04 12:10:17 maemo sdk May 04 12:10:36 i think you just need add the repo May 04 12:10:39 and apt-get upgrade May 04 12:10:42 or something May 04 12:11:32 hmmm May 04 12:12:08 I discovered that allowing make to compile with more than one process simultaneously increases the build speed by a ridiculously large amount May 04 12:12:43 who has a facebook account? May 04 12:13:00 SpeedEvil, I get it from extras-devel repository. There is "kernel-power-source" there. Do I need all kernel sources and compile the whole kernel? May 04 12:14:21 I'm unsure. May 04 12:14:35 Venemo: On n900, yes, it does a bit May 04 12:14:36 usually not, if you keep the version etc May 04 12:14:49 E0x, happen to have the repo adress handy? May 04 12:14:56 linuxparanoid: usually, you can compile the same version of the kernel, adn teh module will work May 04 12:15:17 nvrmind May 04 12:15:19 Venemo, I use -j 6 :P May 04 12:15:49 it's deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free afaict May 04 12:17:40 MohammadAG, me too now :) May 04 12:19:30 ok the roof vibrations is set then... now I need something <0.4µg ... any ideas? May 04 12:20:04 That is rather harder. May 04 12:20:37 You're pretty much out of the range of all MEMs devices except perhaps the one costing several hundred dollars an axis. May 04 12:20:44 At what frequency? May 04 12:21:18 no idea but the faster the better May 04 12:21:30 What's it to measure? May 04 12:24:02 Priobably better to continue in ##electronics - wherre others may have an idea. May 04 12:24:56 nvm.. an idea where to rent for some days would be enough May 04 12:25:37 No clue. May 04 12:26:23 At the ug range, you may be looking at microphones, or even seismometers. May 04 12:26:57 indeed May 04 12:27:54 Venemo: i use -j6 too with a core i5 quad core May 04 12:28:24 -j2 is noticably faster oin n900 May 04 12:29:04 no wnder, waiting for IO the CPU can compile in another job May 04 12:31:12 DocScrutinizer ... I got the the batterypack from ... pearl ... I didn't work because of the known usb-spec problem ... but I build an adaptor for it ... Just so you know :D May 04 12:31:35 smooph: hey, glad to help :-D May 04 12:33:43 I took the talk we had for an opportunity to fix my own batterypack - I added a ~3mm wide strip of copper foil over the middle two contacts of the female USB-A adapter of the pack ;-D May 04 12:34:39 admittedly doesn't work too well and was a real annoyance May 04 12:34:42 I just cut the cable of an usb extender and put them back together May 04 12:35:09 sure, it's probably the most easy and safe method May 04 12:35:19 now whenever I want to use the batterypack I put the extender betweej May 04 12:35:28 yup May 04 12:36:59 (-jN) depending on ratio of CPU to IO-wait, even -j3 or -j4 may increase speed May 04 12:38:28 probably -j6 is a good compromise, as you for sure use all IO-wait time, while overhead for switching is low - as long as it's not running short of ram and constantly swapping May 04 12:39:36 top will tell May 04 12:45:43 time for 12648430 ☕ May 04 12:45:49 depends on storage speeds, I think. The faster the disk, the more overhead you get from additional processes's task switches May 04 12:45:54 * DocScrutinizer ran out of milk :-S May 04 12:46:56 edheldil: indeed it's tricky, been pondering it for the last 10 min, it's really non-trivial May 04 12:47:26 even depends on source code you are going to compile May 04 12:49:00 I was compiling some inhouse app on a virtualized server with two? virtual cpus and anything beyond -j2 or -j3 was taking longer and longer May 04 12:49:36 but I have not hard figures handy atm. May 04 12:50:07 but you are probably right that it depends on source code as well May 04 12:50:09 yay, virtualized server, even one more complex variable May 04 12:50:59 hehe, sure. It was probably a bad example :) May 04 12:51:01 tends to become an unsolvable equation ;-) May 04 12:53:00 edheldil: I am sure if you use -j16, it will suddenly become faster May 04 12:53:21 bottom line: it makes sense to use -jN with N > nr_of_cores, but you will have to test for the optimum N anyway May 04 12:53:22 edheldil: After all, you can add as many virtual CPUs as you wish, that is what virtualization is all about! May 04 12:55:04 RST38h: there's been a SF-story where a guy managed to emulate a more powerful computer in a small one - ok it's been quantum computers May 04 12:58:32 on quantum computers you (afaiui) can fork() as many times as you like, and there's no reduction in computing speed of the particular thread May 04 12:58:36 if you are not concerned with speed, it's doable :) May 04 13:00:21 forgive my perhaps inappropriate question, but how can I download angry birds to n900 from store.ovi.com? For some strange reason, n900 version of the game is only visible when browsing from a desktop computer, not from n900 ... May 04 13:01:11 but the level packs are visible even on n900 May 04 13:01:18 stupid OVI May 04 13:02:27 Doc: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-915 May 04 13:07:48 I wonder if it could be due to disabling MyNokia, as they seem to be connected ... May 04 13:28:37 hmm :/ May 04 13:29:03 i want to buy N900 in South Africa, and looking at this: http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/37074148/Nokia_NOKIA_N900_3G_BRAND_NEW_SEALED_IN_BOX.html May 04 13:29:25 RST38h: funny May 04 13:30:00 now, does N900 come in other colors besides black? May 04 13:30:15 Sicelo: No. May 04 13:31:17 that's the thing.. now this guy says, at the question and answer box: hello yes i have stock, i can ship to swaliland but will cost an additional R200, what color do you want? May 04 13:31:47 Hmm. May 04 13:31:53 I would be worrying that it's a fake. May 04 13:32:07 that's my concern too May 04 13:32:18 Unless he is meaning a clip-on-cover May 04 13:33:23 http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/340007827-free-shipping-cheap-mobile-N900-wholesalers.html May 04 13:33:25 For example May 04 13:34:57 thanks SpeedEvil. i'll investigate further.. the guy does seem to have high rankings on the site, assuming they are legit rankings :/ May 04 13:35:43 If you look closely, then I think that only the top couple of pics are 'real' - the rest are of a n900 May 04 13:35:57 If you have a way of getting back the money if he intends to defraud you - then great May 04 13:37:38 :) i'd rather not go down that route... getting back the money, no :P May 04 13:37:50 Sicelo, it's fake May 04 13:38:44 description: free shipping cheap mobile N900 clone phones with high quality May 04 13:38:52 note the word "clone" May 04 13:39:14 Sicelo, rain@yacya.com is registered to a Chinese company. May 04 13:39:48 thanks :) May 04 13:40:01 ah, sorry, got lost in the conversation May 04 13:40:08 that email, it's from the link i gave, or SpeedEvil's? May 04 13:40:28 Oh, SpeedEvil's May 04 13:40:28 sorry May 04 13:41:27 np.. but i'm still worried with mine May 04 13:41:32 edheldil: - sure - however it's a little bit misleading to only have two photos of your product, and lots of the real one May 04 13:41:37 better a used N900 than a new fake ;) May 04 13:41:49 edheldil: I have no specific problem with fake n900s - as long as the user knows what they're getting. May 04 13:42:00 Some are even better than the real on in eome ways. May 04 13:42:01 (TV) May 04 13:42:12 eh :) May 04 13:42:27 * Sicelo fully agrees with SpeedEvil.. "as long as the user knows what they're getting" May 04 13:42:56 I have got ovi store send me an sms with dload link for AB, but it does not work :( May 04 13:48:31 edheldil, you can't download me from ovi store, I don't work this way. May 04 13:51:22 ab: :) May 04 13:51:56 * GAN900 notes a self-cleaning oven works wonders as a cast-iron rest button. May 04 14:18:01 rest or reset? May 04 14:31:58 crashanddie, reset. May 04 14:46:53 What is a cast-iron reset button? May 04 14:47:11 Tronic, burn all of the seasoning off. May 04 14:47:18 Down to the bare metal. May 04 14:47:26 Ah, I suppose that *is* the purpose of the feature. May 04 14:47:36 Indeed May 04 14:47:40 * Tronic bought a cheaper model that has everything but that. May 04 14:48:32 No high temperature burn but grease-resistant surface coating. May 04 14:48:43 My foolish sister decided to scrub down all of my cast iron cookware and let it dry in a stack by the sink. May 04 14:49:08 Helloooo, rust! May 04 14:49:24 lol May 04 14:49:45 Have you tried those new ceramic frying pans? May 04 14:51:29 I had a couple. They are wonderful for anything where high temperatures are required (i.e. where you'd normally use cast iron) but not quite as non-stick as teflon (but close enough). The problem is that if you leave any food in one, it won't be non-stick anymore and cannot be repaired :( May 04 14:52:14 So, I am mostly back to teflon, only occassionally using cast iron. May 04 14:52:59 Tronic: I think ##cooking would be more appropriate. And no, I only have one teflon pan and I am very happy with its high temp capabilities May 04 14:57:43 Tronic, rather use cast iron. May 04 14:57:48 Cheap, cheap, cheap May 04 15:12:56 lolcat, I'm an op, and I authorise this conversation May 04 15:13:10 lolcat, Considering less than 50 lines have been said in the past 3 hours or so... May 04 15:14:11 crashanddie: I understand that, I simply mentioned cooking because it probably will have a more concentrated amount of people interessted in cooking May 04 15:17:11 * GAN900 bangs head on desk May 04 15:17:18 So, fsck is bugged. May 04 15:17:25 That's really helpful. May 04 15:42:15 lol May 04 15:43:06 I hope it's not been one of Werner Almesberger's contributions May 04 15:47:37 Given that wake from sleep doesn't work, either May 04 15:56:56 I think I'm going to continue working towards getting OS X running. May 04 16:05:56 gaah this qt problem is giving me a headache! May 04 16:07:19 i want to try to compile a driver for ath9k_htc usb wireless card from linuxwireless.org, on its page it says that it requires a firmware May 04 16:07:35 are these .fw architecture specific? May 04 16:13:43 hey GAN900 May 04 16:13:44 better spell icons, color balancing: http://i.imgur.com/Ym5OC.jpg May 04 16:42:36 whoa..straceing big applications is interesting.. May 04 16:44:25 Indeed. May 04 16:44:36 grrep can help May 04 16:44:44 And you can tell strace to filter some things. May 04 16:45:08 Often though you need to hit the source and work out WRH it's doing though. May 04 16:46:31 I have no idea what to make of this. May 04 16:47:01 What are you trying to strace? May 04 16:47:19 a qt app May 04 16:47:22 Especially given that strace doesn't understand dbus or network traffic, or ... May 04 16:47:32 So it can appear in many raw formats May 04 16:48:44 actually it's a qml app loaded in qdeclarativeview in a qt app, and reloading a certain type of xmllistview segfaults the app May 04 16:49:46 and only on maemo with cssu qt 4.7.2. the problem does not occur if I run the qml file with qmlviewer. May 04 16:50:05 Ah - joy May 04 16:50:13 yeah - that sort of crap is painful. May 04 16:50:13 either way it's superbly annoying. May 04 16:50:21 You don't really want strace. May 04 16:50:29 You want a X/... protocol stack viewer May 04 16:50:31 no, I noticed. May 04 16:50:37 hm May 04 16:50:44 do we have that? May 04 16:50:48 I have no idea. May 04 16:50:52 hehe May 04 16:51:01 Sometimes they're out there. May 04 16:51:11 I wonder if anones done anything related for wireshark. May 04 16:51:31 There are all sorts of wacky plugins for that - including ones to parse GSM stack. May 04 16:51:53 but the error is not in the networking. May 04 16:52:47 I mean to parse the calls in a manner that understands the messages being passed. May 04 16:53:00 I added some debug output to the qml. seems the file is loaded from the web, and then the model.xml = newxml May 04 16:53:31 that starts the delegate rendering, and it gets through the stuff in the first delegate, then it segfaults May 04 16:53:48 Ah - printf - an old and trusty friend. May 04 16:53:55 actually I don't know if it actually gets to rendering. May 04 16:54:00 You've thought of gdb? May 04 16:54:14 i don't remember how to use it. May 04 16:54:31 i have it installed though May 04 16:55:23 for MFe it seems i need certificate installed on my phone. Is it just the certificate authority certificate i need? May 04 16:55:31 it seemed to work fine for stock maemo, but not in CSSU May 04 16:56:59 SpeedEvil, how can I use gdb in this? I need to let the app load a bunch of stuff, then perform an action, then let it load and crash to actually create the issue... May 04 16:57:19 Once it crashes, it derops back into the debugger May 04 16:57:24 o May 04 16:57:30 And you can then inspec thte state of variables, and examine the stack May 04 16:57:36 ok i'll try it. May 04 16:57:48 You need to recompile it with debuggering symbols. May 04 16:57:50 you can just enable core dumps May 04 16:57:55 you don't have to May 04 16:58:17 you can get a lot of info without symbols May 04 16:58:31 "this certificate is already installed as a certificate authority" but i cant seem to find it in certificate manager in settings May 04 16:59:06 jacekowski, compile the app you mean? May 04 16:59:22 yeah May 04 16:59:26 jacekowski, do you happen to know how to enable that with qmake? May 04 16:59:32 just run it on debugger and maybe it will be something obvious May 04 16:59:41 if not then it will be more complicated May 04 17:00:07 Mece: i don't remember May 04 17:00:15 Mece: all you have to do is pass "-g" to compiler May 04 17:01:16 jacekowski, hmm.. I compile by doing.. umm.. qmake -o Makefile projectthing.pro May 04 17:01:20 and then make. May 04 17:01:37 I think qmake has some debug flag. May 04 17:03:44 google qmake debug fag May 04 17:03:50 qmake debug flags May 04 17:05:37 may the 4th be with you May 04 17:09:32 heh qmake CONFIG+="debug" ... May 04 17:12:26 ok so now I have a binary with debug. now how do I use it? May 04 17:31:14 anyone know how to fix exchange account disabled, access refused? May 04 17:31:32 (work exchange) May 04 17:42:05 woooo! found the bug! May 04 17:42:32 Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! May 04 17:49:05 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO May 04 17:51:46 Woooooooooooooooooooo May 04 17:52:09 s/o/ooooooooooW/g May 04 17:52:10 DocScrutinizer meant: WooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooWooooooooooW May 04 17:52:21 barbra streisand May 04 17:53:27 DocScrutinizer: That might count as cheating ;) May 04 17:57:13 LOL May 04 18:02:29 crud. I don't have a good idea how to work around this... May 04 18:04:36 hhhmmm @ lxde.org May 04 18:04:54 what about lxde? May 04 18:05:12 domain name expired May 04 18:05:55 D: May 04 18:10:38 welp May 04 18:10:40 damn May 04 18:31:31 lol -> RESUME(3) R EH Z AH M EY May 04 18:40:06 Well, that only took 3 hours. May 04 18:40:16 Ubuntu boots, now let's see if resume does too! May 04 18:40:36 :D May 04 18:46:25 * DocScrutinizer wonders which slang >>R EH Z AH M EY<< might be May 04 18:46:29 GAN: Upgrading to the latest and greatest? May 04 18:46:46 Doc: dull slashdotter geek May 04 18:47:23 Doc: or maybe cool primary school jock May 04 18:47:26 RESUME R IH Z UW M RESUME(2) R IY Z UW M May 04 18:47:58 Ah, wait, that is just how you write down the pronounciation in ASCII! =) May 04 18:48:24 RST38h, no upgrade. Clean install on my x220 May 04 18:48:28 but I tell ya I never would've understood R EH Z AH M EY May 04 18:48:30 But apparently fsck is broken May 04 18:48:45 Which makes the whole "Wont wake from sleep" thing rather unpleasant. May 04 18:49:08 how is fsck broken? May 04 18:49:33 Had to put 10.04 on a USB key (after trying 11.04, systemrescuecd, and 10.10) to fsck it. May 04 18:50:09 Don't have the bug handy, but, basically, it thinks the volume is mounted when it reads the secondary superblock and stops. May 04 18:50:44 resume? May 04 18:51:17 Wake from s2ram May 04 18:51:29 i pronounce it with a u May 04 18:51:34 Close lid on the laptop, have to kill it to get it back again. May 04 18:51:42 Good for you May 04 18:59:38 somebody typed 'orz' in channel and now i have a fierce yen to play star control II May 04 19:01:31 pupnik: you're speaking in tongues May 04 19:02:33 one of the truly great games on the 1990s - i missed it at the time but it was open sourced as 'ur-Quan Masters', which i worked on for 770 May 04 19:02:51 hmm May 04 19:03:15 probably the most ambitious part of it, technologically, was a time-based plot... that is, there were several interacting 'plot trees' in the game May 04 19:03:29 actually the last 3 words made at least some sense to me May 04 19:03:57 yen is another word for longing May 04 19:04:01 still wondering what might be a fierce Yen May 04 19:04:20 pupnik: yearn :) May 04 19:05:06 hah, starts to make sense May 04 19:05:55 I gather 'orz' has to do with that game then May 04 19:07:02 Sicelo: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/yen May 04 19:07:38 yes the writing in the game was brilliant. the orz were ... well don't read spoilers, maybe someday you'll play it May 04 19:07:51 absolutely brilliant :) May 04 19:13:50 thanks pupnik :) May 04 19:24:31 It's unfortunate that the rising expense of improved production values has so impacted game length. May 04 19:45:35 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=35167 Resident says 'no way was binladen in that house'. May 04 19:45:56 http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html May 04 19:46:08 prisonplanet.com... May 04 19:46:33 :) May 04 19:46:47 Real Osama, fake Osama, who cares? May 04 19:47:32 The Marines came down, fired a lot of ammunition in an exciting way, killed some brown people, blew up their own helicopter, then left. May 04 19:47:50 Sounds like a great action flick May 04 19:47:58 Treat it as a movie, not as a real event. May 04 19:48:08 GAN: Oh, you type faster than me =) May 04 19:49:00 And on an N900, even! May 04 19:51:16 * RST38h did like the latest information that they actually *arrested* Osama, then shot him in the head. Gives the whole story a Shakespearean twist. May 04 19:52:11 I question if he's not now installed in a small cell with Lady Gaga being played very loudly at him. May 04 19:52:54 it's not exactly a safe thing to hold such a guy in custody May 04 19:52:55 Does it matter? May 04 19:53:11 'not a safe thing' ? May 04 19:53:11 one , who knows , he could've wired up the whole compound with explosives and have a button on his body May 04 19:53:23 That's not a risk. May 04 19:53:39 two, even if you survive getting him out of the compound, every freakin' wanna-be-terrorist would take hostages trying to get him out May 04 19:53:40 If I were a US president though, I would definitely have him mounted and displayed in some CIA HQ corridor. I mean, so much effort, so much monet... May 04 19:53:41 That's a risk to the extraction team - it's not a risk of mission failure - him dying. May 04 20:13:26 * GAN900 sighs. May 04 20:13:31 Still no resume. May 04 20:19:05 GAN900: Oh, are you having trouble with Ubuntu 11.04 also? May 04 20:19:42 Yes. May 04 20:19:54 On every machine I've installed it on in some way or another May 04 20:20:04 You'd think I'd learn. May 04 20:20:29 Ok. Sounds like it's been plagued with a whole bunch of problems on IRC, although I was wondering if I was getting a self-selection bias because only people with problems go to #ubuntu May 04 20:21:21 I wonder if it means good things for Kubuntu because people won't want Ubuntu with Mutiny or whatever that new interface is called. Right now it looks like KDE and GNOME are in a race going to the bottom. May 04 20:26:21 Hehe May 04 20:28:49 does anybody know Ed Page's IM contact? May 04 20:32:02 ~nule buntkuh May 04 20:32:07 ~nuke buntkuh May 04 20:32:08 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at buntkuh ... B☢☢M! May 04 20:32:50 ~seen epage May 04 20:33:07 long time no see May 04 20:33:07 oh well :) May 04 20:33:08 wazd: i haven't seen 'epage' May 04 20:33:19 *very* long time May 04 20:33:31 infobot: sorry, np :) May 04 20:34:01 Hi, I'm looking for a kernel or module that brings tun/tap support to my n900. I have already the kernel-power installed. Any hints how I could get that easily? May 04 20:34:48 wazd, email. May 04 20:35:26 GAN900: thx :) May 04 20:35:31 ~tun May 04 20:35:32 rumour has it, tun is sudo mkdir /dev/net && sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 May 04 20:35:49 ~wtf tun May 04 20:35:50 Gee... I don't know what tun means... May 04 20:35:56 grrr May 04 20:36:00 ~wiki tun May 04 20:36:04 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tun (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|TUN|tun}} 'TUN' or 'tun' may refer to: {{TOC right}} * TUN/TAP, a computer network device driver * TUN (product standard), a Danish product standard for building materials * Tun (Maya calendar), a part of the Mayan long count calendar system * A unit of time in the Mayan Long Count calendar * Tun (volume), an antiquated measurement of liquid * Large sea snails of the family ... May 04 20:37:02 ah forgetit May 04 20:37:18 o.O May 04 20:37:32 * wam is just too dumb to restart the phone so that newly installed modules are available May 04 20:37:40 hehe May 04 20:37:44 or maemo is too dumb to keep the libs of the currently running kernel May 04 20:37:51 usually it's me May 04 20:37:53 ;) May 04 20:37:57 init 6 May 04 20:38:02 or depmod -a May 04 20:38:22 DocScrutinizer: not really. extras-devel installed a newer kernel May 04 20:38:31 which uname doesn't know about May 04 20:38:35 ooh, then... May 04 20:38:37 me reboots May 04 20:39:02 new PK? May 04 20:39:05 47? May 04 20:39:46 i didn't reboot for months May 04 20:40:05 :nod: May 04 20:40:24 I rebooted like yesterday, as something wrecked... aah camera May 04 20:40:39 heh May 04 20:40:41 usually my uptime also is in the >30d range May 04 20:40:54 mine is running perfectly and now (after the reboot) i am connected to ipv6... ;) May 04 20:40:57 I love that phone May 04 20:41:10 duh, knew I heard tun before May 04 20:41:56 * DocScrutinizer waits for the notorious "this IS NOT a phone!!!1!1!!" May 04 20:42:23 heh May 04 20:42:43 wam: indeed I also love it. More than any other device before May 04 20:42:55 hmm - the normal browser seems not to be able to do ipv6... May 04 20:43:03 meh May 04 20:43:03 * wam tries ff5 May 04 20:43:05 ff4 May 04 20:43:07 try opera May 04 20:43:07 even May 04 20:43:24 nah May 04 20:43:25 ff is freaking fsck I heard May 04 20:43:43 requires a lot ram, but syncs with my other profiles, even with passwords... May 04 20:43:51 mhm May 04 20:44:05 YEAH May 04 20:44:07 goes May 04 20:44:08 well, if you got enough patience :-) May 04 20:44:21 Have I mentioned that I just love that phone? May 04 20:44:27 where's timeless when you need him? May 04 20:44:52 ~seen timeless* May 04 20:44:53 I have ipv6 in ff4 on my phone. Beat me, apple May 04 20:44:57 DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'timeless*' May 04 20:45:20 ~seen lardman May 04 20:45:21 lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 5h 17m 23s ago, saying: 'cu all later!'. May 04 20:45:22 have I mentioned I hate users constantly changing their nicks? May 04 20:45:39 lol May 04 20:46:36 ~seen timeless_mbp May 04 20:46:37 timeless_mbp was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 19d 10h 32m 39s ago, saying: 'http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/ident?i=pa_zero'. May 04 20:46:47 WOOOOHOOO - My n900 is reachable worldwide via ipv6 May 04 20:47:04 please count the rogue pings ;-P May 04 20:47:10 and javispedro May 04 20:47:29 I don't get why he disappears from March/April till September May 04 20:47:44 DocScrutinizer, remember host mode times? :P May 04 20:47:45 well, I checked for javispedro yesterday :-o May 04 20:47:55 let's see - i'll disable wlan now May 04 20:48:37 sowhat May 04 20:48:42 ~seen javispedro May 04 20:48:44 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 39d 23h 18m 29s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. May 04 20:48:45 should stay reachable May 04 20:49:04 MohammadAG: that's been the same last year? May 04 20:49:24 DocScrutinizer, yeah May 04 20:49:28 :-S May 04 20:49:44 he came back in September May 04 20:50:19 when he thinks he can vanish without proper announcement I'll tell him... ;-) May 04 20:51:44 DocScrutinizer, he still hangs around on tmo I think May 04 20:55:20 except for the new address that I get from the miredo process, connections are fine! May 04 21:02:05 wam: so tun is a proxy based thing like e.g. VPN? May 04 21:02:22 tun is a tunneling device May 04 21:02:31 just a network device May 04 21:02:59 yeah, but tunneling ipv6 thru ipv4 needs a server that 'untunnels', no? May 04 21:03:05 yeaqh May 04 21:03:08 right May 04 21:03:10 all automatic May 04 21:03:19 apt-get install miredo May 04 21:03:39 ~seen kwtm May 04 21:03:45 kwtm is currently on #maemo (13h 36m). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 6s, last said: '~seen kwtm'. May 04 21:03:50 and add /etc/miredo.conf May 04 21:03:52 No one has seen me? Oh, ok. May 04 21:04:00 InterfaceName teredo May 04 21:04:01 ServerAddress teredo-debian.remlab.net May 04 21:04:32 kwtm: fol, you're still here, so there's no sense in "was last seen..." May 04 21:05:00 wam: ok, zhink that'S exactly what I meant May 04 21:05:49 DocScrutinizer: the bad thing is that the default browser doesn't do ipv4. May 04 21:06:00 DocScrutinizer: you can test with http://ipv6.google.com May 04 21:07:36 wam: (default browser) aka microB. That's why I asked where's timeless May 04 21:08:16 wam: btw IPv6 I guess May 04 21:08:37 ? May 04 21:08:39 I think microB does IPv4 May 04 21:08:44 sure May 04 21:08:51 modern browsers do * May 04 21:09:37 >>...default browser doesn't do ipv4. May 04 21:09:48 right May 04 21:09:56 not right? May 04 21:10:01 you are rig May 04 21:10:02 t May 04 21:10:10 default browser doesn't do ipv6. May 04 21:10:13 ;) May 04 21:10:15 yeah May 04 21:10:49 and I'd like to ask timeless why it doesn't May 04 21:11:56 it just says "Server nicht gefunden" which means: "Server not found" for ipv6.google.com, where ff4 shows the page. May 04 21:12:32 heroic dneary, greetings May 04 21:13:23 or greetings to dneary's client then May 04 21:13:50 pupnik, There is such a thing as "doing something else" :) May 04 21:13:53 Thanks May 04 21:16:09 looks like the world of linux portables will remain boutique May 04 21:16:54 Greetings pupnik :) May 04 21:27:36 "All of those children's book say 'Printed in China'. Do I need to be worried about lead paint?" May 04 21:28:09 omg, scroll down for some awesome fantasy monster art... http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109977 May 04 21:29:25 pupnik: awesome contest :) May 04 21:29:27 Neat. May 04 21:31:19 Though they are mostly just a combitation of existing animals :) May 04 21:31:27 GAN900: probably. May 04 21:32:21 oh no, I judged too early :D May 04 21:33:28 ~seen timeless May 04 21:33:29 timeless was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 5h 39m 33s ago, saying: 'hi'. May 04 21:34:11 boy, I didn't know that there are that many _different_ monsters. May 04 21:35:32 * pupnik is overloaded May 04 21:37:07 pupnik: you now also function as a small concrete bridge in germany? May 04 21:37:30 too matsch monsters May 04 21:38:53 http://b3ta.com/board/10410361 May 04 22:19:45 OK, now Windows 7 has spontaneously uninstalled the UltraNav driver. May 04 22:20:06 A question to all PC users of the world: How do you live like this?! *g* May 04 22:20:42 What's "ultranav driver"? May 04 22:21:20 In general when using windows I have 3 rules: 1) Don't install any drivers. 2) Don't install any programs. 3) Don't forget 1 and 2 May 04 22:22:30 Trackpad driver for Lenovo trackpoint/trackpad devices. May 04 22:22:46 ShadowJK, problem is, Ubuntu wont resume from sleep. May 04 22:23:03 So I'm stuck with MS crap for the time being if I want to use it. May 04 22:24:28 GAN900, which Ubuntu? May 04 22:24:44 I had problems with Ubuntu 10.10 with Natty's kernel May 04 22:24:46 GAN900: I am a PC user, but my OS is Gentoo Linux (and I don't "deal with that type of stuff" ;) May 04 22:24:59 but both Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 (Natty) resume fine from sleep May 04 22:25:11 so you could try different kernels May 04 22:25:46 Whoa, a Lenovo user that actually *wants* a trackpad? May 04 22:25:59 This is why I haven't upgraded my fedora install for years. I have older kernel than N900-Maemo5. :-) May 04 22:26:05 * mtnbkr is just being pedantic again... after all the mac users he knows always interchanging the word windows with PC May 04 22:26:07 There's always something that breaks :-( May 04 23:22:30 MohammadAG: 11.04 May 04 23:22:44 jrayhawk: it's the driver for both the trackpad and the touchpoint. :) May 04 23:22:51 oh okay May 04 23:24:32 mtnbkr: not interchanging. :) May 04 23:24:46 mtnbkr: I'm including Linux with the bullshit pile. May 04 23:27:30 hilfe! somehow the "Select Connection" dialog won't dismiss! May 04 23:27:58 damn, heard that just a few days ago May 04 23:28:05 time bomb! May 04 23:28:07 heh May 04 23:28:21 I think my n900 figured out I work on Android <_< May 04 23:29:02 DocScrutinizer: did the previous victim figure out a workaround, or just rebooted the sucker May 04 23:29:18 the sucker rebooted ;-P May 04 23:29:47 which is a pity as we couldn't investigate on it any further May 04 23:29:59 well, consider me a guinea pig for the next few minutes May 04 23:31:57 ifconfig, route, ping 8.8.8.8, cat /etc/resolv.conf, cat /var/run/resolv.conf.* May 04 23:32:20 where? May 04 23:32:24 on the device? May 04 23:32:33 dmesg|tail -n 30 May 04 23:32:37 sure May 04 23:32:38 I can't get to anything, the dialog keeps popping into the way May 04 23:32:49 :-S May 04 23:33:32 can you open the applauncher despite the dialog? May 04 23:33:53 no May 04 23:33:59 modal dialogs suck in Maemo 5 May 04 23:34:22 if a dialog hangs, the only way to kill it is to reboot May 04 23:34:27 (or ssh and kill it) May 04 23:34:36 powerbutton, kill current task May 04 23:34:41 but I can think of a nasty way to counter it May 04 23:34:47 DocScrutinizer, doesn't work for dialogs May 04 23:34:52 wtf May 04 23:34:58 simply kills the window "behind" it May 04 23:35:00 I'm not fast enough to get a terminal open to spite it May 04 23:35:06 great! :-/ May 04 23:35:11 anyway, I have a nasty method May 04 23:35:15 can you use flasher? May 04 23:35:22 and no, I don't want you to reflash May 04 23:36:26 if you can... May 04 23:36:38 MohammadAG: what do you have in mind May 04 23:36:50 flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset May 04 23:36:53 meh, what's on your mind May 04 23:37:08 MohammadAG: hmmmm May 04 23:37:12 use android or any other OS to move/remove /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu May 04 23:37:17 how would that change anything? May 04 23:37:29 yay May 04 23:37:34 fix shit, reinstall it May 04 23:37:49 (hildon-status-menu that is) May 04 23:37:49 reboot help as well May 04 23:37:56 MohammadAG: that's gross May 04 23:37:58 :) May 04 23:38:13 rtyler, better than flashing :) May 04 23:38:13 looks like there's no means of working around this without a reboot, damnits May 04 23:38:21 but it'd be interesting to have a forensic research May 04 23:38:32 hah May 04 23:38:33 no May 04 23:38:36 stupid maemo May 04 23:38:42 it'd be interesting to have a fucking X button May 04 23:38:49 [Fucking X] May 04 23:38:50 ? May 04 23:38:51 :D May 04 23:38:51 might be a bug in some DHCP server May 04 23:38:53 I heard Maemo 4 had one May 04 23:39:05 that causes route or sth to fckup May 04 23:39:14 regardless May 04 23:39:24 I can get the menu from the power button, which shows up above the connection dialog May 04 23:39:28 lolz May 04 23:39:30 an X button = click it = App isn't responding = you can kill it May 04 23:40:02 ah May 04 23:40:03 cool May 04 23:40:29 when the status menu hangs, you can kill it by clicking outside May 04 23:40:38 the same doesn't happen for dialogs May 04 23:40:45 there's sth desparately trying to get connectivity, and you have set up to "always ask", and the DHCP/DNS blows chunks May 04 23:40:53 alright, went into offline mode May 04 23:40:56 that killed the dialog May 04 23:41:03 mind you, this is an easily reproduceable UI problem May 04 23:41:06 hey :-D May 04 23:41:11 reconnecting, w00t May 04 23:41:14 I AM TEH CLEVER May 04 23:41:32 make a quick QDialog, override QCloseEvent(), ignore the event May 04 23:41:43 if it's what I think, it will restart popping dialogs in a short while May 04 23:41:47 add that dialog to init.d, and you ruined an N900 May 04 23:42:11 BS May 04 23:42:18 reflash and nothing is ruined May 04 23:42:41 some people hate to reflash May 04 23:42:51 rtyler: could you check dmesg / syslog now? May 04 23:43:31 MohammadAG: hey, ninstall messybox, much simpler to 'ruin N900' May 04 23:43:42 even better, nuke NOLO May 04 23:43:48 nah May 04 23:43:53 rm /sbin/preinit May 04 23:44:01 or that May 04 23:44:04 (don't do that @ everyone) May 04 23:44:18 but nuking nolo is much more evil >:-) May 04 23:45:45 darn, those were the times... when this channel had 500+ users May 04 23:47:26 DocScrutinizer, nah you can coldflash May 04 23:47:36 *me* can May 04 23:55:57 hi can u recommend some mail client for n900? i'm using gmail May 05 00:08:31 Juozapas: why you don't want to use default one? :) May 05 00:13:36 mva: some problems with fonts May 05 01:50:36 OK, this is serious idiocy. May 05 01:50:52 Three comouters, none of them will resume from suspend May 05 01:51:04 Fuin. May 05 01:51:05 Debuging doesn't come up with any hardware at fault. . . . May 05 01:51:20 How do you release shit like this and call it ready? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 05 02:59:57 2011