**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 10 02:59:58 2011
May 10 03:05:05 <Pauly> noone want to buy n900 with broken usb
May 10 03:08:01 <doc|home> Pauly: how would a person charge it?
May 10 03:08:44 <doc|home> xd13: telecomms regulation NEVER ends as they say it will. It ends with less competition, not more.
May 10 03:09:37 <cehteh> Pauly: for how much?
May 10 03:17:48 <Pauly> spare battery charger
May 10 03:18:12 <Pauly> cehteh: 250 usd
May 10 05:10:14 <Termana> good morning
May 10 05:14:28 <krayon> Pauly: Doubtful.  I bought a fully working one for ~ $200
May 10 07:48:10 <macmaN> whats up guys, does maemo log interface status changes somewhere? i.e. when 3G connections were made
May 10 07:48:19 <macmaN> or wifi
May 10 08:00:35 <chem|st> macmaN: had a lock in dmesg?
May 10 08:00:52 <chem|st> s/lock/look/
May 10 08:00:52 <infobot> chem|st meant: macmaN: had a look in dmesg?
May 10 08:00:59 <chem|st> mornign
May 10 08:01:06 <chem|st> grml
May 10 08:01:12 * chem|st had no coffee yet
May 10 08:01:18 <macmaN> dmesg doesnt help in this case, i could use persistence, since i need to find out about something from like 3 weeks ago
May 10 08:01:32 <macmaN> im seeing autodisconnect is putting its log in /var/log
May 10 08:01:54 <macmaN> but for some reason the author has decided that putting date information in timestamps is too much space hogging :/
May 10 08:02:22 <chem|st> logrotate is usualy 7 days if not speciefied any different (some do 30 by default), so you must be lucky if +8 days ago
May 10 08:02:24 <macmaN> but i guess i could write my own little echo script in /etc/network/if-up.d right
May 10 08:02:33 <macmaN> maemo has logrotate?
May 10 08:02:49 <macmaN> s/has/does
May 10 08:03:11 <chem|st> maemo ehrm guess not by default but some stuff is just debian like
May 10 08:03:15 <macmaN> my impression has been it doesnt mostly log anything at all
May 10 08:03:41 <chem|st> macmaN: that is the strapdown to save space, there is no man either
May 10 08:04:09 <chem|st> logging is turned of by default, thought you turned that on
May 10 08:04:31 <chem|st> stuff like syslog needs extra love
May 10 08:04:44 <chem|st> at least last time I checked
May 10 08:17:17 <macmaN> yep i am aware of syslog, i figured *maybe* there's something low-traffic .log for stuff like if-up/down
May 10 08:17:21 <macmaN> regardless of syslog
May 10 08:18:00 <macmaN> my dumb ass network operator claims i had some 20MB session of traffic at some insane tariff
May 10 08:18:38 <macmaN> i have no files on the phone with that date, so it wasnt anything i downloaded
May 10 08:18:59 <macmaN> i am not tethering, so it wasnt the computers
May 10 08:20:32 <Sicelo_> afaik they rarely go wrong macmaN (not wanting to be a downer)
May 10 08:21:05 <Sicelo_> 10:17 < macmaN> i have no files on the phone with that date
May 10 08:21:12 <Sicelo_> what do u meanhere?
May 10 08:21:45 <edheldil> macmaN:  what about watching a video :)))
May 10 08:21:47 <macmaN> two vectors are likely
May 10 08:21:50 <macmaN> gpodder
May 10 08:21:59 <Sicelo_> /s/meanhere/mean here/
May 10 08:22:03 <macmaN> and the dumbass package management
May 10 08:22:31 <macmaN> i dont watch internet video on the phone. at all.
May 10 08:22:44 <macmaN> over cellular that is
May 10 08:23:18 <edheldil> don't fret, when I connect to mobile data, I often immediately get message that I have exhausted my data limit :/
May 10 08:23:49 <Sicelo_> s/meanhere/mean here/
May 10 08:23:49 <infobot> Sicelo_ meant: /s/mean here/mean here/
May 10 08:23:49 <edheldil> macmaN:  what about email sync?
May 10 08:23:55 <Sicelo_> yay
May 10 08:23:56 <macmaN> edheldil: no email configured on the phone
May 10 08:24:17 <macmaN> edheldil: even then, email wouldnt be accessible over cellular without vpn
May 10 08:24:37 <macmaN> edheldil: you get an sms for such alerts?
May 10 08:24:51 <macmaN> i just recently installed dataplan monitor widget
May 10 08:25:16 <macmaN> its readings seem to correspond to what operator logs are for this month, unfortunately i just installed it recently
May 10 08:25:41 <edheldil> my mobile provider sends it, it says that my data rate will be limited (and it sucks afterwards, that's true)
May 10 08:26:14 <edheldil> (it sucks before that, too, to be sure :))
May 10 08:26:19 <macmaN> right, thats why i am so pissed off at mine. there are no tools to totally disable the insane-rate data nor are there any alerts.
May 10 08:27:16 <Sicelo_> macmaN: there's a whole range of other things that can use lots of data. another thing, is the device always with you, or someone else could have used it?
May 10 08:27:16 <macmaN> with the devices nowadays that can god knows what should you just leave the touchscreen lock open or something in the pocket, that is just stoneage quality service
May 10 08:27:26 <edheldil> probably that's their punishment for me downgrading from unlimited data tariff
May 10 08:27:27 <macmaN> Sicelo_: only me, 100%
May 10 08:28:34 <macmaN> Sicelo_: primary issue is how was the connection created? i have "always ask" for all connections, which seems like open touchscreen problem
May 10 08:28:56 <chem|st> macmaN: 20MB session sounds like ham autoupdate with some like 5 repos active
May 10 08:29:31 <macmaN> chem|st: yep that i agree, i just checked, fapman reported 14MB downloaded for last update
May 10 08:30:12 <macmaN> i have since turned HAM completely off, i.e. disabled the repos and only use fapman manually
May 10 08:30:41 <chem|st> just extras (+devel+testing) + nokia should be something like 16-20MB
May 10 08:30:43 <macmaN> i think the update system of automatically downloading full repo data is just plain stupid in today's cellular data world
May 10 08:31:19 <chem|st> for updates yes
May 10 08:32:01 <chem|st> AND there should be a button to turnoff those updates on celldata at all
May 10 08:32:02 <macmaN> and its not exactly difficult to differentiate between wlan and ppp, so i dont get why it is not a preference
May 10 08:32:03 <flux> doesn't debian and ubuntu both support sending increments, but apparently maemo doesn't?
May 10 08:32:33 <chem|st> flux: maemo is like "etch" or something
May 10 08:33:13 <chem|st> my desktops recieve diffs
May 10 08:33:57 <chem|st> you send the date of last check and recieve all diffs from then on
May 10 08:35:02 <macmaN> is there a discussion diffs on tmo
May 10 08:52:21 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer,
May 10 08:52:25 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, ping
May 10 08:54:21 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, ping
May 10 08:54:58 <chem|st> macmaN: new post since last time you read a thread
May 10 08:55:18 <chem|st> crashanddie: just talk
May 10 08:55:36 <macmaN> chem|st: uh, wdym?
May 10 08:55:37 <crashanddie> maybe what I need to ask isn't #maemo worthy?
May 10 08:55:44 <chem|st> hehe
May 10 08:55:58 <chem|st> macmaN: diff on tmo
May 10 08:56:02 <macmaN> hahhhha
May 10 08:56:07 <macmaN> damn
May 10 08:56:15 <chem|st> "I'm not worthy!"
May 10 08:56:40 <macmaN> i'm noticing going past that big 3-0 age is definitely hampering the ability to not skip words while typing
May 10 08:56:53 <chem|st> crashanddie: you'll never find out by not asking
May 10 08:56:57 <macmaN> or maybe i just thought slower in the 20ies
May 10 08:57:37 <chem|st> hehe
May 10 08:58:26 <chem|st> each "link" within a thread description (just the headers) has its functionality
May 10 08:58:51 <crashanddie> chem|st, how about if I talk about it publicly, it might ruin the whole thing? :p
May 10 08:59:00 <chem|st> so clicking the number will bring you to another post than clicking the thread title
May 10 08:59:25 <chem|st> crashanddie: damn, but I'm so curious
May 10 09:09:28 <macmaN> chem|st: my question actually was meant to be "is there a discussion on update diffs somewhere on tmo"
May 10 09:09:42 <chem|st> ah ok
May 10 09:10:02 <chem|st> have no idea but pls feel free to start one
May 10 09:13:30 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, pong
May 10 09:22:17 <merlin1991> X-Fade: ping
May 10 09:22:23 <merlin1991> khertan: ping
May 10 09:50:41 * RST38h moos evilly
May 10 09:55:10 <RST38h> Mhm...photoshoppers "designing meego device" on tmo again.
May 10 09:57:03 * SpeedEvil sighs.
May 10 09:57:22 <SpeedEvil> These are the sort of people that design flying cars, while oimitting the propellors/jets.
May 10 10:00:18 <Hukka> import antigravity is such a wonderful thing
May 10 10:01:42 <VoltageX> hi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents
May 10 10:01:48 <VoltageX> What did I do wrong?
May 10 10:02:46 <ruskie> RST38h, where?
May 10 10:10:11 <chem|st> RST38h: and it looks bad too
May 10 10:11:24 <chem|st> ruskie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69854 there
May 10 10:12:23 <ruskie> ahh
May 10 10:12:36 * ruskie tries to resist throwing up at that first pic...
May 10 10:13:12 <ruskie> hmm so two designs in the entire thread... fun..
May 10 10:13:28 <ruskie> the second one actually looks epic... but I would never use it because it just seems to fidly...
May 10 10:13:57 * SpeedEvil wishes he had funding to try stuff.
May 10 10:14:09 <SpeedEvil> Though first I'd try to make my hoverboard.
May 10 10:14:34 <ruskie> hoverboards epicness!!!
May 10 10:14:58 <SpeedEvil> 30Kg of lithium-ion 40C cells, 20Kg of ducted fans, and a platrform to stand on.
May 10 10:15:20 <SpeedEvil> Not for the faint-hearted/sane.
May 10 10:15:20 <ruskie> yup... that would be nice
May 10 10:15:32 <ruskie> though wouldn't li-po be a tad safer idea?
May 10 10:15:36 <SpeedEvil> As it can accellerate at 2G upwards in emergency thrust, and hit 4Km.
May 10 10:16:10 <SpeedEvil> I think safer is a somewhat tricky concept when you're talking abouit a device that can smack you into the ground at 200mph if it goes wrong.
May 10 10:17:25 <ruskie> you need to add some logic in there to keep it safe
May 10 10:17:56 <SpeedEvil> Sure. Logic is a bit tricky - as first you need to work out where the ground is, in order to avoid it.
May 10 10:18:31 <ruskie> don't aircraft already have some thingamagicky that does that???
May 10 10:18:35 <SpeedEvil> This at best means horribly complex maths.
May 10 10:19:00 <SpeedEvil> Yes, that are heavy, and expensive.
May 10 10:19:24 <SpeedEvil> You can do it in several grams nowadays - but the maths are nasty
May 10 10:22:18 <ruskie> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/AHRS <-- something like this?
May 10 10:23:02 <SpeedEvil> yes. That sort of system in a normal aircraft will weight 1-10Kg, and cost more than your house.
May 10 10:23:18 <ruskie> according to info can be as cheap as $15k
May 10 10:23:42 <ruskie> as for speed and height and saftey just limit what it can do...
May 10 10:23:45 <SpeedEvil> I was implying you live in a trailer.
May 10 10:23:52 <SpeedEvil> (not really)
May 10 10:24:00 <SpeedEvil> You basically can't do that.
May 10 10:24:26 <SpeedEvil> Unless you limit the height to under 50cm or so, where you can detect the ground by direct methods.
May 10 10:24:55 <SpeedEvil> Determining orientation is quite possible - look at openpilot, or google kalman filter.
May 10 10:24:58 <robbiethe1st> Couldn't you bounce a lazer or radar signal off the ground?
May 10 10:25:01 <SpeedEvil> It's just a bit annoying.
May 10 10:25:17 <SpeedEvil> Yes. First you need to work out where the ground is, to point the laser at.
May 10 10:25:22 <robbiethe1st> And... for orientation, you've got a simple 3-axis accelerometer
May 10 10:25:29 <robbiethe1st> Ought to be able to handle it
May 10 10:25:48 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: Consider what happens if you have a 3 axis accellerometer, and an engine which can accellerate you at 2G upwards.
May 10 10:25:55 <SpeedEvil> Or indeed downwards.
May 10 10:25:57 <ruskie> frankly I'd basically want something I could put a helmet with AR and ability to pick a destination then let it fly me there...
May 10 10:26:12 <SpeedEvil> Think 'air-segway'
May 10 10:26:20 <robbiethe1st> SpeedEvil: Well, can't you tell how much power the engine's putting out?
May 10 10:26:39 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: that doesn't tell you about drag
May 10 10:26:39 <robbiethe1st> Some calibration, and you could probably make a pretty good guess?
May 10 10:26:56 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/10/microsoft_skype_buy_near/ <-- erm...
May 10 10:27:11 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - kalman filter with sensors will tell you your position.
May 10 10:27:19 <SpeedEvil> and orientation - with GPS too
May 10 10:27:28 <SpeedEvil> Joy
May 10 10:27:46 <robbiethe1st> I wouldn't rely on GPS for much of anything <_< Seeing how poorly it works in the N900
May 10 10:28:00 <SpeedEvil> You use GPS for more navigation purpoises.
May 10 10:28:13 <SpeedEvil> The safety stuff is from onboard sensors.
May 10 10:28:15 <robbiethe1st> Just so long as if it goes out, nothing bad happens
May 10 10:28:55 <ruskie> should be able to use dead reckoning when GPS goes out shouldn't it?
May 10 10:29:26 <SpeedEvil> You're not - in this case - using the GPS for navigation as suck.
May 10 10:29:28 <SpeedEvil> such.
May 10 10:29:40 <SpeedEvil> It's more a position reference to desaturate your velocity estimates.
May 10 10:33:31 <chem|st> what does MoNav routing daemon do in extras unhidden?
May 10 10:34:28 <chem|st> ah got a cli
May 10 10:34:52 <chem|st> wasn't it decided that cli stuff remains on cli?
May 10 10:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: wazzup
May 10 11:06:06 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, i maybe getting back N900 this week
May 10 11:06:19 <ZogG> are you have for me
May 10 11:15:28 <DocScrutinizer> lo chem|st - I'd tend to agree
May 10 11:26:44 * RST38h moos at the lifeforms present
May 10 11:45:54 <VoltageX> What did I do wrong?
May 10 11:45:56 <VoltageX> hi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents
May 10 12:16:17 <DocScrutinizer> HAHAHA skype == M$ now
May 10 12:16:59 <edheldil> is it already?
May 10 12:18:50 <SpeedEvil> Not yet.
May 10 12:19:15 <SpeedEvil> Wanna bet clients for platforms other than wp7 in mobile space get deprioritised a bit?
May 10 12:19:32 <Hukka> I'm wondering if they will even pull them
May 10 12:19:33 <jacekowski> it's the end of the world
May 10 12:19:37 <jacekowski> and everything
May 10 12:19:42 <jacekowski> stargate is no more
May 10 12:20:38 <ccooke> jacekowski: you mean they laid its shambling corpse to rest, finally?
May 10 12:20:59 <jacekowski> i mean they finished SGU with ugly cliffhanger
May 10 12:21:19 <jacekowski> instead of doing it properly with 5 seasons as planned
May 10 12:21:46 <ccooke> ugh
May 10 12:22:14 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: my thought exactly...
May 10 12:22:28 <BCMM> hopefully, this will kill skype, which would be a good thing
May 10 12:22:57 <BCMM> there's more than one open technology that would be far superior if it gained critical mass
May 10 12:23:36 <merlin1991> BCMM: gimme names of the superior techs, I want to get rid of skype :P
May 10 12:23:46 <BCMM> merlin1991: SIP, Jabber
May 10 12:24:05 <BCMM> ok, so there's probably pros and cons
May 10 12:24:12 <merlin1991> I'm still searching for a useable jabber client for win
May 10 12:24:21 <BCMM> merlin1991: doesn't google make one?
May 10 12:36:18 <chem|st> merlin1991: back in the days I used miranda
May 10 12:39:01 <chem|st> BCMM: if properly implemented jabber serves all your needs
May 10 12:41:47 <chem|st> BCMM: but one thing and that might be desktop sharing (skype shares display only)
May 10 12:41:57 <BCMM> didn't know skype did that
May 10 12:42:03 <BCMM> it only does it on windows
May 10 12:42:10 <chem|st> nope
May 10 12:42:11 <BCMM> i presume
May 10 12:42:16 <BCMM> mac too?
May 10 12:42:23 <chem|st> I dont care about mac
May 10 12:42:33 <chem|st> who cares about mac
May 10 12:42:38 <BCMM> well, pretty sure the linux version doesn't do desktop sharing
May 10 12:42:59 <chem|st> don't remember I am the one on the other side
May 10 12:43:59 <chem|st> if there will be libskype is an interesting question that pops up the same time
May 10 12:45:52 <chem|st> BCMM: since 2011/01/22 there should be "desktop-sharing" for linux, would call it display sharing but $user wouldn't understand
May 10 12:46:28 <chem|st> since 2.1beta2 for linux
May 10 12:46:30 <BCMM> this sort of thing would be so, so easy without NAT
May 10 12:47:11 <chem|st> ?
May 10 12:48:42 <edheldil> chem|st:  works-through-nat is about the main Skype selling point
May 10 12:54:17 <mgedmin> I would simplify that even more "works is about the main Skype selling point"
May 10 12:55:38 <ShadowJK> And before the others have that selling point too, it doesn't matter how much features they bolt on :)
May 10 12:58:16 <RST38h> Do you guys really believe that Skype will continue working once Microsoft applies its engineering expertise?
May 10 12:58:48 <nid0> Do you really believe that it won't?
May 10 12:59:12 <RST38h> I woould give 70% probability that it won't
May 10 12:59:20 <chx> I think Skype won't die
May 10 12:59:31 <RST38h> No, it will not die either
May 10 12:59:38 <chx> but i would be shocked to see another Skype for Linux client
May 10 12:59:40 <Robot101> it would be a waste of their investment if they killed it
May 10 12:59:47 <Robot101> also, really unlikely :P
May 10 13:00:07 <RST38h> Not "killed". Made it a vehicle for expanding their business offerings into the new markets!
May 10 13:00:09 <Robot101> Skype's value is in the network, that's the biggest thing they'd avoid killing
May 10 13:00:31 <chx> 8.5 billion? How on earth would Skype worth 8.5b? Microsoft is mad.
May 10 13:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> skype is a big trojan/virus/rootkit, like is windows
May 10 13:00:57 <RST38h> BTW, how many active users does Skype have?
May 10 13:01:00 <SpeedEvil> Supply and demand.
May 10 13:01:16 <SpeedEvil> Can you get - say - 850m/year of revenue out now - no.
May 10 13:01:19 <chx> RST38h: my skype client reports 26m users online right now
May 10 13:01:29 <nid0> theres a difference between the company's own value and the company's added value to another business.
May 10 13:01:34 <chx> RST38h: let's say they have 100m active users?
May 10 13:01:37 <SpeedEvil> Is it possible that you can use skype to drive that amount of revenue to your buisness - debatable.
May 10 13:01:46 <nid0> skype isnt worth 8.5 bill, but skype services added to everything ms provides, hell yes
May 10 13:02:55 <RST38h> Ok. 100m active users ==> $85/user
May 10 13:02:57 <RST38h> Cheap!
May 10 13:03:42 <RST38h> + if they lock Skype users to Windows, that will be pretty helpful for their platform
May 10 13:03:59 <nid0> did you even read the release on the takeover?
May 10 13:04:22 <RST38h> no, should I?
May 10 13:04:27 <nid0> the bit where it says skype will continue fully as-is with clients for many platforms, and that theyre just adding a new team for more MS related stuff?
May 10 13:04:33 <SpeedEvil> If they can somehow manage to convert a small percentage of those to WP7 customers too - that enables them to boost the size iof the WP7 platform, which makes it not quite so tiny, and more likley to survive in the market.
May 10 13:04:58 <RST38h> nid0: this is just PR veneer
May 10 13:05:13 <RST38h> nid0: should wait for a few months before the real picture comes into focus
May 10 13:05:16 <nid0> no, its also obvious and common sense.
May 10 13:05:29 <RST38h> common sense != business sense, sorry
May 10 13:08:24 <DocScrutinizer> I definitely won't install any M$ trojan on my linux systems
May 10 13:09:03 <DocScrutinizer> M$ is a friggin genius when it comes to rogue sneaky ways to convince you that your platform sucks
May 10 13:10:17 <chx> nid0: where did you read that? I am trying to find it
May 10 13:50:30 <chem|st> M$ just confirmed
May 10 13:52:45 <chem|st> ah ok I am late again...
May 10 13:58:08 <chem|st> another guy using the "report this" button on tmo to send a msg to someone^^
May 10 13:59:53 <GAN900> Ban!
May 10 14:13:48 <Lantizia> Lo, anyone got an extended battery for their n900?  i've only seen the mugen one so far - looks fugly
May 10 14:22:49 <flux> lantizia, sure, I have mugen. lets me charge the device only at nights.
May 10 14:23:10 <flux> functionality over aesthetics.
May 10 14:24:09 <OkropNick> I have Choiix Power Bank, it's good, no need to be cnnected all the time
May 10 14:28:38 <Lantizia> flux, the photos of the mugen on their site show some kind of switch on the back - but the video doesn;t... what does yours have?
May 10 14:29:07 <flux> lantizia, I have the switch
May 10 14:29:16 <flux> lantizia, the first version lacked a switch for opening the camera
May 10 14:29:23 <flux> and the device thought the lens was always open
May 10 14:29:27 <flux> that was bad.
May 10 14:29:44 <flux> it also thought that the battery door was always open, so mmc didn't work either.
May 10 14:29:56 <edheldil> SpeedEvil:  another and rather more depressing possibility is that they bought Skype to get more patents to bash their competition with
May 10 14:29:59 <flux> but they sent two new backdoors to everybody who has ordered the first version.
May 10 14:30:08 <flux> (new = with the switch)
May 10 14:31:02 <edheldil> are you buying backdoors and trojans??? :)
May 10 14:31:10 <edheldil> ~mugen
May 10 14:31:54 <flux> hah
May 10 14:32:10 <ShadowJK> mugen = 2400 mAh battery
May 10 14:33:17 <flux> it's an annoying trend that recent nokia phones have integrated the battery inside
May 10 14:33:18 <cehteh> oh ... good bye skype ...
May 10 14:33:22 <flux> no more room for bigger batteries
May 10 14:33:42 <flux> well, unless you glue them to the back side or something
May 10 14:33:47 <cehteh> time to setup my own sip server
May 10 14:34:26 <Lantizia> my sip server (asterisk) has a skype trunk (made between skype and digium) i expect MS will ditch that product
May 10 14:34:50 <Lantizia> not to mention the linux skype client and skype on any phone other than windows phone
May 10 14:35:27 <flux> do current voip-solutions work without issues through typical nat-gateways or firewalls? (assuming the server has no routing issues)
May 10 14:36:16 <cehteh> flux: there are a lot well known tricks to penetrate firewalls for voip
May 10 14:36:32 <flux> cehteh, tricks that you need to set up on your systems etc..
May 10 14:36:44 <cehteh> nope
May 10 14:36:57 <flux> my trick would be to use openvpn.
May 10 14:37:06 <cehteh> but its certainly easier when your firewall is voip aware
May 10 14:42:28 <chem|st> flux: so you vpn to all your friends for voip... that's the best idea ever!
May 10 14:43:27 <flux> chem|st, obviously it works only for giving a connection for myself for my voip server
May 10 14:43:57 <flux> others can find their own solutions for connecting to its internet-facing interface :)
May 10 14:44:25 <chem|st> flux: my current setup at home works for setup firewall and without, my phone got no firewall setup but my SIP-phone has, also my laptop got no special setup in the firewall but my desktop has, everything is working fine
May 10 14:44:51 <chem|st> on all 4 devices
May 10 14:46:33 <chem|st> the only thing is that my router is aware of voip packages and gives them a higher priority you can torrent something at full bandwidth in both directions and still -  calls go through
May 10 14:51:33 <DocScrutinizer> just check your NAT for http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-nat-udp http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5382
May 10 15:01:28 <DocScrutinizer> traffic shaping / ToS-management of course is a nice-to-have on routers
May 10 15:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> however note there's just so much you can do via tricky management, to avoid congestion on downstream
May 10 15:04:17 <chem|st> in my case must have... SIPvoip is my primary landline
May 10 15:04:42 <DocScrutinizer> been mine for years as well, with twinkle :-D
May 10 15:05:11 <chem|st> bought a gigasetIP someday but yes used twinkle first
May 10 15:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> so you know my work then :-D
May 10 15:05:33 <dangergrrl> sip is my alternate cell line
May 10 15:05:36 <dangergrrl> :)
May 10 15:05:48 <chem|st> +1
May 10 15:06:39 <dangergrrl> i have a plan with tmobile for 'unlimited' data but with rate clamping after 5gb and only 500 voice minutes a month
May 10 15:06:40 <chem|st> the actual clue with n900 is that my home number rings in where ever I get wifi...
May 10 15:07:06 <dangergrrl> the sip and skype integration is nice
May 10 15:07:13 <chem|st> 300MB and 100minutes^^
May 10 15:08:43 <chem|st> skype just died lately, phone went lesser responsive and before I recognized the battery was drained while idle on my desk
May 10 15:10:34 <chem|st> think telepathy was shoot by skype so the whole phone was going mad
May 10 15:10:41 <chem|st> shot...
May 10 15:17:03 <dangergrrl> last time i tried skype it failed for hours
May 10 15:17:11 <dangergrrl> should have switched to wifi
May 10 15:17:20 <dangergrrl> i get crap 3G signal at home
May 10 15:17:36 <dangergrrl> pandora streams all over central texas and drops at home
May 10 15:35:02 <sivang> hi all
May 10 15:35:15 <sivang> has anyone managed to use N8 with joikuspot as a WiFi router?
May 10 15:35:23 <Damnshock> n8?
May 10 15:35:24 <sivang> it seems the poor arm11 is not up to the task
May 10 15:35:26 <sivang> N8
May 10 15:35:40 <sivang> I know this is offtopic, but where else would I ask? :)
May 10 15:35:56 <sivang> hmm, Mohammad is not here today
May 10 15:36:18 <Damnshock> nokia support maybe?
May 10 15:36:24 <Damnshock> is there any symbian channel?
May 10 15:36:48 <sivang> nokia support are mostly clueless
May 10 15:36:52 <sivang> I'll try
May 10 15:36:59 <visz> i tried the free version of joikuspot with my e7
May 10 15:37:05 <sivang> visz: and?
May 10 15:37:18 <visz> it allowed http to ovi store and icmp ping
May 10 15:37:48 <sivang> visz: I'm trying to figure if Orange in Israel who are undoubtfuly a bad bad carrier or the device itself.
May 10 15:37:53 <visz> can't really say anything else about it =D
May 10 15:37:59 <sivang> visz: hmm
May 10 15:38:15 <sivang> visz: I see, were you able to download a meego image using it, pinetrail for example?
May 10 15:38:28 <visz> oh, you misunderstand
May 10 15:38:32 <visz> it was crippled
May 10 15:38:37 <visz> crippleware
May 10 15:38:37 <sivang> ah
May 10 15:38:43 <sivang> I bought the 10EU version
May 10 15:38:58 <sivang> and it still seems like something is crippling it
May 10 15:39:01 <sivang> premium
May 10 15:39:03 <visz> i'm pondering if it's worth it
May 10 15:39:22 <sivang> not on any other device than N900
May 10 15:39:41 <sivang> the N900 allows speedier net access with Joiku than my home ADSL
May 10 15:39:45 <sivang> IMHO
May 10 15:40:07 <sivang> but it may be due to the fact that Israeli operators are third world in quality
May 10 15:40:21 <sivang> I can't access twitter even
May 10 15:40:22 <visz> n900 has free hotspot app though
May 10 15:40:27 <sivang> it does?
May 10 15:40:36 <sivang> probably did not exist when I got it
May 10 15:40:39 <visz> http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/
May 10 15:40:41 <DocScrutinizer> yoghurt sport is useless for N900. There are free better designed alternatives for all I know
May 10 15:41:11 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: I don't care, I bought Joiku there as well and was amazed with the performance
May 10 15:41:20 <sivang> I am a great follower of Joiku
May 10 15:41:49 <sivang> so time to reflash, put the N900 back to operative state and walk around with a proper phone tablet.
May 10 15:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> well, for linux yoghurt is crap. Eats battery like mad, as they had obviously no clue about linux OS basics
May 10 15:42:17 <sivang> I do believe the weak arm11's are the issue here as I experienced it both with E7 and N8
May 10 15:42:31 <ruskie> hehe
May 10 15:42:36 <ruskie> actually shoddy coding is more likely
May 10 15:42:45 <ruskie> like with most apps now-a-days sadly
May 10 15:42:57 <sivang> I will reapeat - N900 is the single best phone Nokia has ever released.
May 10 15:43:11 <sivang> for the busy professional on the go :)
May 10 15:43:16 <DocScrutinizer> it's like porting a windows bash emulation to run on linux under wine
May 10 15:43:17 <sivang> ruskie: :)
May 10 15:43:30 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: taking Joiku to S3 you mean?
May 10 15:43:32 * chem|st bows down and cries "I'm not worthy!"
May 10 15:43:41 <sivang> chem|st: :)
May 10 15:43:47 <DocScrutinizer> taking joiku to maemo
May 10 15:43:57 <sivang> hmm
May 10 15:44:01 <sivang> but only there is does perform
May 10 15:44:12 <chem|st> best idea ever! just like going M$
May 10 15:44:14 <sivang> it started with Symbian I take it then?
May 10 15:44:25 <chem|st> or buy an iphone...
May 10 15:44:28 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: if I deduce right from you last sentence
May 10 15:44:36 <DocScrutinizer> afaik yes
May 10 15:44:51 <sivang> so it starts forwarding and then stops
May 10 15:44:58 <sivang> and the gauges drop to 0
May 10 15:45:08 <sivang> joikuspot on S3, that is premium
May 10 15:45:15 <sivang> E7/N8
May 10 15:46:34 <sivang> okay guys
May 10 15:46:37 <sivang> sorry for the bashing
May 10 15:46:48 <sivang> it is my DAMN I WISH IT BANKRUPTED already operator
May 10 15:46:49 <chem|st> if you know how to connect to wifi and cell at the same time I would make up some routing
May 10 15:47:13 <sivang> Orange Israel, don't leave home with it.
May 10 15:47:30 <sivang> thet block twitter and facebook
May 10 15:47:34 <sivang> and do terrible QoS
May 10 15:47:35 <chem|st> oranjes...
May 10 15:47:37 <sivang> !!
May 10 15:47:50 <sivang> I am able to download the meego pinetrail image at 220kbs
May 10 15:47:56 <sivang> kB/s
May 10 15:47:58 <chem|st> ehrm thats not the provider that is israel...
May 10 15:48:05 <sivang> chem|st: true, true
May 10 15:48:17 <sivang> coverage is probably poor for 3G
May 10 15:48:34 <sivang> but people with Pelephone subscription showed me blazing fast HD video in real time on their iPhone
May 10 15:48:57 <sivang> or perhaps the N900 antenna is stronger
May 10 15:49:03 <chem|st> at home I can drain my device flat within hours just by logging in to the 3G network base... no need to even start an internet connection...
May 10 15:49:06 <sivang> because N900 did not have a problem to operate indoors
May 10 15:49:27 <sivang> chem|st: did they tell you N8 is not supported by them?
May 10 15:49:39 <chem|st> no
May 10 15:50:02 <sivang> they told me that because my N8 was sent to be by Nokia from out of the country, they can't help me with network access
May 10 15:50:08 <sivang> now how does that sound?>
May 10 15:50:16 <chem|st> what support should a provider give to any phone but iphone-visual-combox or blackberry servers
May 10 15:50:25 <sivang> haha
May 10 15:50:30 <sivang> chem|st: you sarcastic right?
May 10 15:50:35 <chem|st> no
May 10 15:50:47 <chem|st> there is nothing to support
May 10 15:50:56 <sivang> may I ask what's your business in this channel?
May 10 15:51:02 <ruskie> don't really need any support from the provider other than giving me access and making sure things run...
May 10 15:51:06 <chem|st> either your phone can or cannot do UMTS on that band
May 10 15:51:23 <sivang> chem|st: UMTS == dual?
May 10 15:51:35 <sivang> can't you just put it in 3G fixed
May 10 15:51:36 <sivang> ?
May 10 15:51:44 <chem|st> no dual means drop back to gsm if umts is not available
May 10 15:51:56 <sivang> umts == 3G?
May 10 15:51:58 <chem|st> 3G in this case then
May 10 15:52:14 <sivang> umts is like HSPDA ?
May 10 15:52:18 <sivang> brr I',m confused
May 10 15:52:22 <sivang> they managed to confuse me
May 10 15:52:32 <sivang> they told me to never put myh device to other setting than 3G
May 10 15:52:43 <ruskie> 3g - collection of technologies that your phone uses to do stuff with
May 10 15:52:45 <sivang> perhaps there lays the issue ?
May 10 15:52:59 <ruskie> iirc hspda, umts etc... are part of it
May 10 15:52:59 <chem|st> ehrm my business... nothing but helping people either by answeres or suggestions...
May 10 15:53:13 <chem|st> I'm a mod from tmo though
May 10 15:53:29 <sivang> ruskie: okay, so when I deprive my phone off UMTS, it willnever be able to give me 2.8mbps throughput ?
May 10 15:53:41 <sivang> chem|st: oh, pleased to meet you!
May 10 15:53:49 <sivang> chem|st: and you live in the same swamp I do? :)
May 10 15:53:58 <chem|st> then do it... turn it to 3G only...
May 10 15:54:08 <sivang> does not work
May 10 15:54:30 <sivang> I have to put it to 'Dual' to be abe to have any net acces at all at times
May 10 15:54:35 <chem|st> what does not work? the phone doesnt go to that state or the net doesnt work?
May 10 15:54:37 <sivang> it is now on Dual
May 10 15:54:51 <sivang> !netaccess
May 10 15:54:55 <chem|st> try with gsm
May 10 15:55:03 <sivang> this works all the time
May 10 15:55:19 <sivang> but slower than RemoteAccess used to come up on my 2400kbps modem 15 years ag
May 10 15:55:20 <sivang> ago
May 10 15:55:26 <chem|st> and they told you to go 100% alltime ever 3G... nice
May 10 15:55:49 <sivang> chem|st: yes, while I have been able to achieve the best speeds only when usin Dual
May 10 15:55:52 <sivang> does this make sense?
May 10 15:56:09 <chem|st> the login credentials are usualy the same as for gsm/edge-gprs
May 10 15:56:55 <chem|st> no that makes no sense as 3G is another network you login to
May 10 15:57:03 <sivang> why do we care about the login credentials?
May 10 15:57:04 <sivang> uinterent and that's it no?
May 10 15:57:04 <sivang> amazing
May 10 15:57:10 <sivang> sitting at the topmost point of the building, windows open
May 10 15:57:12 <chem|st> are you able to cell-call with 3G set
May 10 15:57:30 <sivang> Dual mode. and the download never drops below 220kB/s
May 10 15:57:37 <sivang> chem|st: lost of hangsups and hickups, but yes
May 10 15:58:17 <chem|st> ok 220kB is about edge isn't it? 320kB/s.... hang on I check that
May 10 15:58:19 <sivang> chem|st: thank you for your help btw, I'm pretty much clueless about the MA layer in GSM
May 10 15:58:22 <sivang> chem|st: need to get that book and read about it
May 10 15:59:35 <sivang> http://www.amazon.com/GSM-Evolution-Towards-Generation-Systems/dp/0792383516
May 10 16:00:53 <chem|st> 270kBaud.... so no that would be about 33kB/s
May 10 16:01:33 <chem|st> possible are 100kB/s
May 10 16:02:15 <chem|st> but they use only 100-200kb/s
May 10 16:02:35 <ShadowJK> It'd show "2.5" if you're on edge
May 10 16:02:54 <sivang> it shows 3.5
May 10 16:02:57 <chem|st> sivang: the 220 is bit not Byte
May 10 16:03:00 <chem|st> ?
May 10 16:03:09 <ShadowJK> edge max speed is about 220 kbit/s
May 10 16:03:15 <ShadowJK> Well.. common
May 10 16:03:20 <ShadowJK> 3.5g is hsdpa :)
May 10 16:03:21 <chem|st> 3.5 is hdspa
May 10 16:03:26 <sivang> k, great
May 10 16:03:28 <DocScrutinizer> hspa
May 10 16:03:35 <chem|st> yeah skip the d
May 10 16:03:37 <sivang> I go from 1.1mbps to 2.5mbps now
May 10 16:03:46 <ShadowJK> or hspa, if the operator supports hsupa :P
May 10 16:03:49 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: :)
May 10 16:04:30 <sivang> orange's proxy is blocking twitter
May 10 16:04:40 <sivang> when accessing the non m. host
May 10 16:04:42 <chem|st> nothing to worry I guess, the drops are because of the weak network
May 10 16:04:45 <sivang> !
May 10 16:05:17 <sivang> chem|st: yes, but it only wnet back to working after I put it in DUal
May 10 16:05:33 <sivang> are they allowed to do that?
May 10 16:05:36 <chem|st> lol they are nice to you... gov requested blocking of all www.twitter and they just did that
May 10 16:05:36 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, sometimes I wonder if joikuspot maemo was designed with that kernel module specifically to avoid having to replace the device kernel :-)
May 10 16:06:00 <sivang> chem|st: you live here as well? :)
May 10 16:06:27 <sivang> chem|st: did gove asked they do this for facebook?
May 10 16:08:46 <chem|st> don't know but many countries around try to restrict the internet and as israel is doing a good job in doing everything like germany 70 years ago I guess they like the vessel!
May 10 16:09:29 <chem|st> but I stop here as this is no place for politics
May 10 16:09:56 <chem|st> at least non of that kind....
May 10 16:10:10 <chem|st> I am off then, good night!
May 10 16:11:50 <sivang> chem|st: night
May 10 16:11:52 <sivang> chem|st: thanks for your help
May 10 16:35:13 <GAN900> RST38h, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2015009181_rapturepet10.html
May 10 16:35:41 <GAN900> chem|st, and amazingly people keep voting for more government!
May 10 16:37:34 * wmarone__ follows Google's spew
May 10 16:39:06 <RST38h> GAN: What a resourceful guy!
May 10 16:40:34 <RST38h> "They have to love animals, of course, but just as important is that they don't love Jesus."
May 10 16:50:41 <unixSnob> i'm looking for a service like google voice click-to-call.. is there anything comparable?
May 10 17:03:34 <sivang> so microsoft has acquired skype?
May 10 17:03:50 <sivang> time to move to open standard VoIP through sipgate
May 10 17:04:07 <sivang> as probably the Maemo client and symbian client will now dissolve
May 10 17:05:08 <MohammadAG> has?
May 10 17:05:34 <sivang> old news?
May 10 17:05:51 <andre__> I don't see how Skype gets worse by moving its ownership from a weird company to another one.
May 10 17:09:55 <Damnshock> sivang: the time to move to an open standard was long ago
May 10 17:09:56 <GAN900> More actively hostile ownership?
May 10 17:09:59 <Damnshock> that is, from the begining
May 10 17:10:15 <RST38h> Skype is a weird company by itself
May 10 17:10:17 <Damnshock> we should have never, ever, used skype
May 10 17:10:39 <Damnshock> from a sysadmin point of view is a terrible pain in the youknowwhat
May 10 17:15:44 <jacekowski> Damnshock: open standard like what?
May 10 17:15:53 <jacekowski> Damnshock: is there any other voip standard that works
May 10 17:15:56 <Damnshock> jacekowski: jingle for example
May 10 17:16:04 <Damnshock> voip standard that works?
May 10 17:16:05 <Damnshock> sip
May 10 17:16:05 <jacekowski> Damnshock: and has no need for centralised infrastructire
May 10 17:16:16 <Damnshock> jacekowski: jingle
May 10 17:16:21 <jacekowski> sip doesn't work
May 10 17:16:34 <Damnshock> over xmpp
May 10 17:16:40 <jacekowski> maybe
May 10 17:17:06 <jacekowski> but there are 2 incompatible versions of jingle
May 10 17:20:41 <Damnshock> jacekowski: that's not exactlly true
May 10 17:20:56 <jacekowski> it is
May 10 17:53:57 <obcecado> hi
May 10 18:19:17 <luke-jr> jacekowski: there are 2 incompatible Jingles, but both can be supported by the same client
May 10 18:29:38 <DocScrutinizer> eh? since when does SIP need a centralized infra?
May 10 18:30:00 <DocScrutinizer> one of the giant misconceptions about SIP
May 10 18:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> actually nowadays most SIP UAs have lost their general abilities and are tailored to work for the basically rather niche case of a central SIP provider
May 10 18:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> with a proper ful featured SIP client you can do direct IP-to-IP SIP
May 10 18:32:40 <jacekowski> which doesn't work as reliably as skype
May 10 18:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> and i'm frequently lame of laughing when I witness dudes installing asterisk on their phone/PC/whatever just to implement teir 2 trunks network
May 10 18:33:54 <DocScrutinizer> even just for accessing their 'regular' commercail sip provider via softphone ;-P
May 10 18:34:17 <DocScrutinizer> like asterisk-N900 - MUHAHAHA
May 10 18:37:44 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: s/work/suck/
May 10 18:48:57 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: ip2ip sip was a non-starter as it was _designed_ to break on NAT
May 10 18:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: sure, my NAT/router/FW is designed to break services like SIP - unless of course I bother to config it correctly
May 10 18:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> while skype is designed to cheat and sneak behind the usual average NAT/FW admin - but believe me nowadays even skype got no chance anymore
May 10 18:53:42 <DocScrutinizer> there are well documented (while still horribly annoying) ways to make skype fail if your LAN policy is to forbid skype
May 10 18:53:47 <dm8tbr> now that it's MS they'll just integrate it with OCS and break it along the way
May 10 18:54:32 <dm8tbr> yeah I remember there was at some point a quite straight forward way by blocking just a few destination ports
May 10 18:54:55 <ruskie> DocScrutinizer, SIP is dead easy to break sadly
May 10 18:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> to *break*?
May 10 18:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> brake like what?
May 10 18:55:20 <DocScrutinizer> make it fail? sure
May 10 18:55:32 <ruskie> well that for me is break
May 10 18:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> tap it? not with ZRTP
May 10 18:55:45 <ruskie> as in not working
May 10 18:55:56 <DocScrutinizer> use a cracked account? hardly
May 10 18:56:07 <dm8tbr> sure  block port 5060 udp and bang most clients fail
May 10 18:56:29 <ruskie> hell the rtp mess is enough to fail it all...
May 10 18:56:50 <DocScrutinizer> wwhat's mess in RTP?
May 10 18:57:18 <dm8tbr> breaks easily on NAT, see SIP in general
May 10 18:57:32 <DocScrutinizer> RTP is unrelated to NAT
May 10 18:57:53 <ruskie> fails to work with it in any remote way
May 10 18:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> BS that's SIP if anything
May 10 18:58:20 <Tsuyo> Hey, is there a way to format a sd-card without the filemanager? My card gets mounted, but i don't see it in the manager. Maybe it's in a raw format or something. Can i format it to fat16 somewhere else?
May 10 18:58:39 <ruskie> I can generally get a SIP connection... but getting voice flowing... haven't yet succeded without a lot of extra effort...
May 10 18:59:26 <DocScrutinizer> you never get a SIP connection, it's actually just a few messages like 100 INVITE, 200 OK
May 10 19:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> one of those defines a RTP stream going from UDP IP to UDP IP:port
May 10 19:00:26 <Venemo> yo DocScrutinizer
May 10 19:00:39 <DocScrutinizer> the last part is what spoils things on NAT, if not dealt with it in a proper way
May 10 19:01:03 <DocScrutinizer> that's what STUN/ICE and hosted nat traversal are for
May 10 19:01:14 <ruskie> no that's what ipv6 is for
May 10 19:01:22 <DocScrutinizer> as well, sure
May 10 19:01:46 <DocScrutinizer> you might have missed that, there's now even TCP SIP
May 10 19:01:57 <ruskie> nope haven't missed that
May 10 19:02:36 <ruskie> so far only managed to get SIP working reliably with the work provider on the N95...
May 10 19:02:51 <ruskie> VoIP that is...
May 10 19:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> Tsuyo: you might have a wrong format on it
May 10 19:03:10 <DocScrutinizer> Tsuyo: there is partitions and superfloppy format
May 10 19:03:23 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, what window manager does shr use?
May 10 19:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> and then of course NTFS
May 10 19:03:37 <DocScrutinizer> errr
May 10 19:03:41 <DocScrutinizer> matchbox?
May 10 19:03:55 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
May 10 19:04:00 <Venemo> ~nfc
May 10 19:04:01 <infobot> i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue
May 10 19:04:03 <Venemo> ah
May 10 19:04:06 <Venemo> okay :)
May 10 19:04:24 <DocScrutinizer> wait, window manager, err... still nfc
May 10 19:04:39 <Tsuyo> DocScrutinizer: Hrm. Any Ideas to format it? If i connect the phone to my pc, i see two disks, but i can only use the N900 one.
May 10 19:04:52 <Tsuyo> I don't have a microSD reader, so i cannot do it on my pc.
May 10 19:04:53 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 10 19:05:13 <DocScrutinizer> can you access the card on N900 directly?
May 10 19:06:16 <Tsuyo> Don't know, i don't see it in guis, i just see that it's mounted somewhere
May 10 19:06:18 <nox-> btw whats the correct way to umount an usd before taking it out?  last time i had to reboot the device for it to mount it again after putting it back...
May 10 19:06:36 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 10 19:07:17 <DocScrutinizer> usually gets umounted on opening back cover
May 10 19:08:07 <Tsuyo> It's closed ;)
May 10 19:08:32 <DocScrutinizer> Tsuyo: you could try (c|s)fdisk to partition the raw device, then run mkfs.fat32 on it
May 10 19:08:53 <nox-> well i saw io errors in dmesg and it didnt mount it again until i rebooted
May 10 19:09:07 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: possible
May 10 19:09:14 <nox-> :)
May 10 19:09:38 <DocScrutinizer> shouldn't but possible
May 10 19:10:12 <DocScrutinizer> esp when no standard partioning and fs
May 10 19:10:35 <nox-> it was the same fatfs it came with
May 10 19:10:43 <Tsuyo> Installing OpenSSH and MadDeveloper right now. Installed my OS a few hours ago.
May 10 19:10:52 <Tsuyo> Could take a while :p
May 10 19:10:55 <nox-> i only copied a 4 GB file onto if using a cardreader
May 10 19:11:01 <nox-> onto it even
May 10 19:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> HAHA, and you forgot to sync
May 10 19:11:35 <nox-> no :)
May 10 19:11:40 <nox-> on the pc i umounted
May 10 19:11:45 <nox-> of course :)
May 10 19:11:55 <nox-> actually i think i used mtools...
May 10 19:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> and waited the 10min until sync finished?
May 10 19:12:09 <nox-> this wasnt linux :)
May 10 19:12:16 <DocScrutinizer> even worse
May 10 19:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> btw 4GB in vfat??
May 10 19:12:53 <nox-> well little less i suppose...
May 10 19:13:03 <DocScrutinizer> I guess 2GB is max
May 10 19:13:12 <nox-> on n900?
May 10 19:13:20 <DocScrutinizer> on vfat
May 10 19:13:38 <nox-> no, afaik the signdness bug was fixed in linux some time ago
May 10 19:14:57 <nox-> the file got mounted ok too after the reboot
May 10 19:15:16 <nox-> (its a squashfx for that mapping tool i forgot the name of)
May 10 19:15:32 <nox-> squashfs even
May 10 19:19:03 <Tsuyo> DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card that helped, thank you :)
May 10 19:22:41 <Tsuyo> DocScrutinizer: Ah well, i understand the problem i think. The external card is "/dev/mmcblk1" wich doesnt exist on my phone : /
May 10 19:23:43 <DocScrutinizer> should exist if your uSD card got detected
May 10 19:24:07 <Tsuyo> if i insert an other card, it works. Weird. I thought that one was broken Oo
May 10 19:25:25 <DocScrutinizer> also there should be a mmcblk1p1
May 10 19:25:47 <DocScrutinizer> if there's not then mmcblk1 has no partitions so is superfloppy formatted
May 10 19:25:49 <Tsuyo> There is now. ^^
May 10 19:27:34 <GAN900> MohammadAG, we need a patch for the open source camera UI to detect locale for rangefinder units.
May 10 20:00:34 <_nicolai_> MohammadAG, someone hacked your gmail account?
May 10 20:01:16 * SpeedEvil noticred that too.
May 10 20:01:39 <SpeedEvil> Or maybe it's just funds to support CSSU.
May 10 20:04:20 <Venemo> what?
May 10 20:04:44 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG has taken up viagra-spamming maemo-dev mailing list.
May 10 20:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: fscking inperial!!
May 10 20:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
May 10 20:05:27 <Venemo> SpeedEvil, aah
May 10 20:06:09 <Venemo> SpeedEvil, maybe he discovered that viagra can improve your maemo development abilities?
May 10 20:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
May 10 20:06:52 <DocScrutinizer> I guess he used his gmail account at Sony
May 10 20:06:54 <nox-> SpeedEvil, how do you know its really him and not just a faked From: ?
May 10 20:07:16 <SpeedEvil> Naah - all email addresses are genuine.
May 10 20:07:47 * SpeedEvil remembers when he got up to 6% of his ISPs inbound mail queue due to fraud bounces.
May 10 20:08:04 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, what?
May 10 20:08:04 <MohammadAG> oh... crap
May 10 20:08:10 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 10 20:08:28 <Venemo> MohammadAG, so, can viagra improve your maemo development abilities?
May 10 20:08:28 <nox-> MohammadAG, not a faked From?
May 10 20:08:42 <SpeedEvil> I used to - shortly after 'green-card' - post to usenet with a unique per-message email ID. Soi I could track how many spams I got per group, and average time to spam.
May 10 20:08:54 <SpeedEvil> This lead over time to maybe 15000 email addresses.
May 10 20:09:14 <SpeedEvil> And someone sent out a few hundred emails with each one as the source ID.
May 10 20:09:24 <nox-> haha
May 10 20:09:28 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
May 10 20:09:47 * nox- sometimes gets backscatter with nonexisting usernames...
May 10 20:09:59 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, no, but same password
May 10 20:10:02 <SpeedEvil> I couldn't ditch the incoming emails over smtp fast enough for them to not accumulate.
May 10 20:10:11 <SpeedEvil> Even after writing a custom 'MTA'
May 10 20:10:13 <MohammadAG> explains the youtube detetcted suspicous activity on your account
May 10 20:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> HAHAHA
May 10 20:10:27 <nox-> oh dear....
May 10 20:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG
May 10 20:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> you should report this incident to... err cert?
May 10 20:11:07 <DocScrutinizer> sony?
May 10 20:11:16 <DocScrutinizer> CNN?
May 10 20:11:21 <nox-> haha
May 10 20:12:03 <trx> cern :)
May 10 20:12:18 <DocScrutinizer> nuke it with black holes!
May 10 20:12:24 <trx> :P
May 10 20:12:32 <nox-> *g*
May 10 20:13:09 <xnt14> MohammadAG, your gmail account was hacked?
May 10 20:13:39 <nox-> well if used the same pw as with sony and didnt chage it...
May 10 20:13:41 * xnt14 scrolls up... Oh.
May 10 20:13:48 <xnt14> Hmm...
May 10 20:14:20 <xnt14> I'm glad I didn't buy anything off of PSN...
May 10 20:14:34 <xnt14> Yay for different passwords everywhere.
May 10 20:14:38 <nox-> indeed
May 10 20:14:44 <xnt14> Now if only MohammadAG would wake up.. I needed to ask him something.
May 10 20:15:49 <SpeedEvil> xnt14: He can't. He's off to the emergency room after suffering an erection lasting over 4 hours.
May 10 20:15:52 <nox-> change even
May 10 20:16:08 <xnt14> SpeedEvil, hahaha... LOL
May 10 20:16:13 <nox-> hah
May 10 20:16:28 <xnt14> Typical MohammadAG. :]
May 10 20:16:30 <xnt14> xD
May 10 20:17:03 <xnt14> Although, I'm not sure why I used that emote in here.. it's an inside joke.
May 10 20:21:08 <MohammadAG> ah fuck
May 10 20:21:21 <MohammadAG> the number of accounts tied to that address is....
May 10 20:21:32 <MohammadAG> I lost count after 50
May 10 20:22:36 * xnt14 pokes MohammadAG and points to a channel.
May 10 20:23:12 <xnt14> I think he's not responding due to lag. -_-
May 10 20:23:37 <xnt14> damn freenode.
May 10 20:33:25 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, did anyone reply to the message?
May 10 21:06:18 <piggz> MohammadAG: out of curiosity, for your fb client, do u use kqoauth and qjson?
May 10 21:07:29 <SpeedEvil> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////y
May 10 21:08:51 <MohammadAG> piggz, qjson
May 10 21:08:53 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ???????
May 10 21:09:17 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, give him a break, at least he's not posting viagra links
May 10 21:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 10 21:09:55 <MohammadAG> I wonder how many @nokia.com addresses got those links
May 10 21:10:18 <DocScrutinizer> does it matter?
May 10 21:10:31 <MohammadAG> I should sent an apology email
May 10 21:10:31 <MohammadAG> "Sorry, I had a PSN account"
May 10 21:10:56 <DocScrutinizer> "sorry, this was fake viagra"
May 10 21:11:04 <MohammadAG> yes, I'm not getting money for affiliating them
May 10 21:11:10 <MohammadAG> xP
May 10 21:11:14 <piggz_> damn connection...
May 10 21:11:28 <piggz_> MohammadAG: ah, how do you do the oauth part? manually?
May 10 21:11:37 <MohammadAG> webkit piggz_
May 10 21:11:58 <MohammadAG> QWebKit, I monitor redirection URLs and close it when I get the token
May 10 21:12:06 <MohammadAG> the login window is actually a stacked window
May 10 21:12:16 <MohammadAG> gives a neat animation trick
May 10 21:12:34 <piggz_> yeah, i saw a smimlar concept in the qml oauth example
May 10 21:12:35 <MohammadAG> closing the stacked window closes the whole app if the user hasn't logged in
May 10 21:13:04 <MohammadAG> I hate QML :p
May 10 21:13:04 <piggz_> but, in the ned i decided to use kqoauth in my app...seems to work well
May 10 21:13:14 <MohammadAG> "hate" is a strong word though
May 10 21:13:30 <MohammadAG> but my whole mediaplayer doesn't use as much memory as a simple qml app
May 10 21:13:35 <piggz_> MohammadAG: that must be why you dont use kasvopus....im still undecided between the two :P
May 10 21:13:49 <MohammadAG> piggz_, no, I use qml apps
May 10 21:13:55 <MohammadAG> I just hate writing them
May 10 21:14:03 <MohammadAG> too much ram and cpu usage
May 10 21:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> I hate facebook, google, sony, apple iPhone
May 10 21:14:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, lemme get you a facebook account
May 10 21:14:21 * MohammadAG runs
May 10 21:14:25 <DocScrutinizer> and of course pukeaudio
May 10 21:14:37 <piggz_> DocScrutinizer: you wont want be using my latitude updater widget then :P
May 10 21:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> and lennart
May 10 21:15:05 <MohammadAG> piggz_, I liked kasvopus btw
May 10 21:15:11 <MohammadAG> development was slow though
May 10 21:15:16 <piggz_> yeah
May 10 21:15:18 <MohammadAG> very slow
May 10 21:15:28 <piggz_> i _love_ twimgo
May 10 21:15:29 <MohammadAG> in 3 days I made a release
May 10 21:16:05 <MohammadAG> I also added checkin support, afaik only iPhone and android fb clients do that
May 10 21:16:21 <piggz_> yeah, that is cool, i need to update to try it out
May 10 21:16:33 <MohammadAG> and I focuses on functionality rather than looks
May 10 21:16:46 <MohammadAG> though i added animations in the latest version
May 10 21:16:51 <MohammadAG> focused*
May 10 21:17:10 <piggz_> does it have a menu ivon yet?
May 10 21:17:15 <MohammadAG> I'll add a photo upload w/ tag support soon
May 10 21:17:29 <piggz_> s/icon
May 10 21:17:29 <MohammadAG> piggz_, it always did, the first version didn't install it right
May 10 21:17:37 <MohammadAG> and I don't test my deb packages
May 10 21:17:49 <MohammadAG> I trust that I always get them right
May 10 21:17:52 <piggz_> yeah, i just uploaded my widget without testing it :)
May 10 21:17:53 <MohammadAG> (which I don't :p)
May 10 21:20:44 <BCMM_> is it possible to use the AV port as a line-in?
May 10 21:20:48 <BCMM_> (on an n900)
May 10 21:21:05 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: alas not (stupid EE)
May 10 21:21:18 <BCMM_> electronic engineers?
May 10 21:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 10 21:22:14 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: your best bet is h-e-n and a audio card USB dongle
May 10 21:22:35 <SpeedEvil> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
May 10 21:22:35 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: heh, not as bothered as that about it
May 10 21:22:38 <SpeedEvil> Argh
May 10 21:22:45 <vldcnst> to the right?
May 10 21:22:47 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - was replacing keyboard motherboard
May 10 21:22:51 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: i mean, that sounds harder than moving the amp nearer to a computer
May 10 21:23:03 <BCMM_> whereas some CLI magic would've been easier
May 10 21:23:06 <BCMM_> thanks anyway
May 10 21:23:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, you can't
May 10 21:23:47 <MohammadAG> ?
May 10 21:23:53 <MohammadAG> not even if you fake a fourth pin?
May 10 21:24:16 <BCMM_> SpeedEvil: you might be an IRC addict if you can't log off for that :)
May 10 21:24:25 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just pissed as it would've taken sth like 4 components and 2ct on BOM, to make that work
May 10 21:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: line in is stereo
May 10 21:25:35 <DocScrutinizer> n900 hw can't do
May 10 21:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> any stereo line-in pins on codec are unused
May 10 21:28:21 <SpeedEvil> bv
May 10 21:28:21 <SpeedEvil> c
May 10 21:28:33 <SpeedEvil> Oh - I now have a working return!
May 10 21:28:33 <DocScrutinizer> OM GTA02A8 should've been the first device I knew that was planned to offer line-in on headset receptacle
May 10 21:28:41 <jacekowski> nothing a soldering iron can't fix
May 10 21:28:56 <jacekowski> just bit of wire and solder couple pins together
May 10 21:29:04 <jacekowski> unless audio codec is bga
May 10 21:29:06 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - BCMM, it was the motherboard in my keyboard, not the motherboard of my computer.
May 10 21:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> you bet it's bga
May 10 21:29:19 <MohammadAG> lol
May 10 21:30:19 <DocScrutinizer> never heard of anybody replacing his kbd's motherboard
May 10 21:30:44 <SpeedEvil> It has three boards.
May 10 21:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> wow
May 10 21:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> old IBM?
May 10 21:31:12 <SpeedEvil> Trackpoint, main board-matrix, trackpad
May 10 21:31:39 <DocScrutinizer> ooh those critters
May 10 22:04:02 <GAN900> Wow
May 10 22:04:17 <GAN900> My WoW account from 5 years ago was reactivated.
May 10 22:04:47 <joga> why? lost job and wife?
May 10 22:04:51 <GAN900> Man, Sony.
May 10 22:04:54 <GAN900> What the hell
May 10 22:05:02 <GAN900> Account suspension for spamming
May 10 22:05:11 <joga> oh, you didn't do it
May 10 22:05:12 <joga> ?
May 10 22:05:42 <GAN900> No, it's from the PSN compromise.
May 10 22:05:49 <joga> meh :/
May 10 22:05:54 <GAN900> Apparently those accounts had the same password.
May 10 22:06:43 <joga>  so now they'll bill you?
May 10 22:07:03 <joga> (I don't really know how wow subscription works)
May 10 22:07:13 <GAN900> the cc number on that account is dead.
May 10 22:07:30 <joga> how can they reactivate it?
May 10 22:07:47 <GAN900> Dunno
May 10 22:07:51 <GAN900> Free trial?
May 10 22:08:00 <GAN900> Use their own stolen cc?
May 10 22:19:56 <GAN900> Gotta love children who think they're sticking it to the man.
May 10 22:21:54 <GAN900> Can't even get into the PSN to figure out what card I had on there.
May 10 22:22:36 <jacekowski> i have card with low limit for that kind of stuff
May 10 22:22:43 <SpeedEvil> Where are you again - I forgot - USA GAN900?
May 10 22:23:32 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, how the shit do you forget that? :P
May 10 22:23:37 <GAN900> Yes, Florida, USA
May 10 22:24:40 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: I thought you were in the USA, but wasn't sure if it was the netherlands instead for some reason.
May 10 22:24:42 <SpeedEvil> Parity errors.
May 10 22:25:18 <GAN900> Hehe
May 10 22:25:39 <GAN900> jacekowski, yeah, I'm not entirely certain what card is on the PSN account
May 10 22:25:41 <SpeedEvil> I've come to appreciate the data protection act and friends in the UK.
May 10 22:25:47 <GAN900> and I can't find out from Sony.
May 10 22:25:52 <SpeedEvil> I've been annoying various governmental departments with it.
May 10 22:26:21 <SpeedEvil> For example, queries to the meterological office about costs of its data products to charities and other non-profits.
May 10 22:26:52 <GAN900> Non-profits, most of which don't meet any reasonable definition of the term.
May 10 22:28:35 <SpeedEvil> True.
May 10 22:29:21 <MohammadAG> ffs gitorious is down
May 10 22:29:33 <MohammadAG> or... not
May 10 22:31:45 <MohammadAG> nice, my x server's gone again
May 10 22:48:17 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: what do you do to your X server, that it goes hiding? :D
May 10 22:54:13 * GAN900 changes some passwords.
May 10 23:02:57 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, it read my email to maemo-dev apparently :P
May 10 23:03:10 <merlin1991> lmao
May 10 23:03:27 <merlin1991> btw what do you think caused it, virus or rather hacked account?
May 10 23:03:55 <MohammadAG> where would a virus be lol
May 10 23:04:01 <SpeedEvil> Was it a weak password?
May 10 23:04:06 <MohammadAG> no
May 10 23:04:17 <MohammadAG> nobody could guess it
May 10 23:04:23 <MohammadAG> and it was my password for over 7 years
May 10 23:04:37 <Sc0rpius> judging by the headers
May 10 23:04:38 <nox-> not even bruteforce it?
May 10 23:04:42 <MohammadAG> so this is related to Sony's crappy security on PSN
May 10 23:04:48 <MohammadAG> I'm sure of it
May 10 23:04:52 <nox-> or did sony store pw in cleartext? :P
May 10 23:04:57 <SpeedEvil> You share passwords with PSN?
May 10 23:05:18 <Sc0rpius> it looks like somebody logged in to your gmail account.  I first thought it was mail spoofing, that's simple, but no, the headers say it was an authenticated google account
May 10 23:05:21 <MohammadAG> nox-, I wouldn't be surprised if they did
May 10 23:05:39 <zerojay> Sony didn't store their passwords in cleartext, they were all hashed.
May 10 23:05:42 <MohammadAG> Sc0rpius, so someone accessed gmail.com?
May 10 23:05:48 <nox-> maybe thats the reason for  http://i.imgur.com/gyqHh.jpg
May 10 23:05:50 <nox-> :)
May 10 23:06:02 <nox-> zerojay, ah ok
May 10 23:06:03 <Sc0rpius> from an IP 81.22.169.238
May 10 23:06:39 <MohammadAG> where's that located?
May 10 23:06:42 <Sc0rpius> it seems so, and it was authenticated
May 10 23:06:43 <nox-> zerojay, but the hash could be bruteforced if the pw was `waek enough'
May 10 23:06:48 <nox-> weak even
May 10 23:07:00 <Sc0rpius> there's a DKIM signature so it was an authenticated person
May 10 23:07:10 <zerojay> nox-, I'm aware.
May 10 23:07:16 <LinuxCode> MohammadAG, one of the Fedora Contributors laos had his gmail account hacked
May 10 23:07:19 <LinuxCode> some time ago
May 10 23:07:29 <LinuxCode> MohammadAG, and they sent emails via his account
May 10 23:07:37 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure who'd hack my email though
May 10 23:07:49 <LinuxCode> any automated system!
May 10 23:07:59 <nox-> yeah
May 10 23:08:10 <MohammadAG> LinuxCode, does he have a PS3?
May 10 23:08:19 <LinuxCode> the amount of automated systems finding passwords, is hideous
May 10 23:08:20 <LinuxCode> hmm
May 10 23:08:37 <LinuxCode> this was a few months ago, so i doubt its PSN related
May 10 23:08:43 <LinuxCode> but I can ask if ya want ?
May 10 23:08:49 <LinuxCode> if hes around
May 10 23:09:06 <MohammadAG> if he's on irc why not
May 10 23:09:22 <MohammadAG> afaik the hacks on PSN started on March 1
May 10 23:09:36 <merlin1991> btw MohammadAG, if you every start to study, don't decide todo your homework for hte next day AFTER the lan party
May 10 23:09:38 <FIQ|n900> apr 17-19
May 10 23:09:44 <merlin1991> :D
May 10 23:09:56 <MohammadAG> FIQ|n900, that's when they found out
May 10 23:10:01 <MohammadAG> April 20
May 10 23:10:05 <zerojay> MohammadAG, That's when it happened.
May 10 23:10:18 <LinuxCode> MohammadAG, hes not online atm
May 10 23:10:22 <LinuxCode> bit late in the UK
May 10 23:10:30 <MohammadAG> zerojay, yes, but the attacks started in March
May 10 23:10:34 <FIQ|n900> 00:08
May 10 23:10:51 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, what lan party? :P
May 10 23:10:57 <MohammadAG> Wed May 11 02:08:55 IDT 2011
May 10 23:11:09 <FIQ|n900> at UK, htat is
May 10 23:11:09 <zerojay> Bzzzt. The stuff back then was people attempting to reverse the PSN protocols. Completely different thing.
May 10 23:11:14 <FIQ|n900> that*
May 10 23:11:17 <FIQ|n900> in*
May 10 23:11:34 <merlin1991> well at home here and we started around 15:00 and everyone has stuff tomorrow
May 10 23:11:53 <FIQ|n900> the attacks began on early march
May 10 23:12:02 <FIQ|n900> but there was nothing serious then
May 10 23:12:03 <zerojay> They aren't the same thing.
May 10 23:12:06 <zerojay> At all.
May 10 23:12:09 <FIQ|n900> just attacks
May 10 23:12:11 <merlin1991> true we should still be sitting here gaming like mad, but there's the fine line between stuff you should do / want todo compared to the stuff you actually do :D
May 10 23:12:31 <zerojay> Those guys were sitting in #ps3dev reversing the SSL encryption on the PSN connection. It's how they claimed they found that CC data was being sent in plaintext.
May 10 23:12:35 <zerojay> None of it was verified.
May 10 23:12:42 <zerojay> All from about mid Feb.
May 10 23:12:48 <LinuxCode> I bet since PSN is down, the world is a more prudctive and happier place
May 10 23:12:59 <zerojay> Well, they did get Bin Laden.
May 10 23:13:16 <MohammadAG> the IP is n Finland
May 10 23:13:16 <LinuxCode> zerojay, lol
May 10 23:13:18 <Sc0rpius> hahaha
May 10 23:13:18 <FIQ|n900> my little brother (who plays CoD all the time) isn't that happy atm :D
May 10 23:13:33 <LinuxCode> FIQ|n900, tell him to get a g/f
May 10 23:13:49 <LinuxCode> saying that.... he probably just get bitched at all the time
May 10 23:13:53 <LinuxCode> ;-p
May 10 23:13:54 <FIQ|n900> he is 12
May 10 23:14:00 <LinuxCode> FIQ|n900, so ?
May 10 23:14:03 <zerojay> Ditch the gf, save your money and use your hand.
May 10 23:14:11 <LinuxCode> when i was younger I never was at home that age
May 10 23:14:12 <zerojay> Only way he'll stay sane. lol
May 10 23:14:19 <LinuxCode> zerojay, haha
May 10 23:15:26 <merlin1991> zerojay: I agree with the staying sane part
May 10 23:16:02 <FIQ|n900> worth to say is that he, allthough playing fair, wantz aimbotz haxx0rs
May 10 23:16:18 <MohammadAG> I hate aimbots
May 10 23:16:21 <merlin1991> ouch
May 10 23:16:34 <merlin1991> ~lart aimbot / wh / whateverusers
May 10 23:16:34 <FIQ|n900> He attempted to force me to fix it for him
May 10 23:16:35 * infobot slaps aimbot / wh / whateverusers upside the head with a wet fish
May 10 23:16:44 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, new version of sociality
May 10 23:16:45 <FIQ|n900> Well, I can just say that I didn't help him
May 10 23:16:51 <merlin1991> :D
May 10 23:16:58 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: what's new?
May 10 23:17:07 <MohammadAG> from -devel
May 10 23:17:21 <merlin1991> arf, I just ran the update from the nightly
May 10 23:17:26 <merlin1991> so -devel it is now?
May 10 23:17:45 <MohammadAG> photo album and single photo viewing
May 10 23:17:53 <MohammadAG> check photo albums, they're fun now
May 10 23:18:06 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, I always upload to -devel
May 10 23:18:34 <merlin1991> hm conflicting distribution error on apt-get update
May 10 23:19:30 <FIQ|n900> i've got that for a long time now
May 10 23:19:31 <merlin1991> and ham shows an empty list for catalogs, wtf?
May 10 23:19:33 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, blame psn
May 10 23:20:07 <FIQ|n900> uh
May 10 23:20:48 <FIQ|n900> protip: don't attempt to update your N900 packages through apt-get inside a SSH session to an Archlinux box
May 10 23:20:48 * FIQ|n900 is tired
May 10 23:21:49 <merlin1991> http://pastebin.com/Cei7jyAK save to ignore?
May 10 23:23:41 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: I guess the dubious "facebook" app in my launcher is sociality?
May 10 23:24:56 <FIQ|n900> I like the solution to an "apt-get update" warning message
May 10 23:24:58 <FIQ|n900> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
May 10 23:25:09 <merlin1991> yea
May 10 23:25:16 <merlin1991> ffs I just RAN apt-get update :D
May 10 23:25:34 <FIQ|n900> I actually ran aptitude update
May 10 23:25:50 <FIQ|n900> But i guess that it wouldn't help
May 10 23:26:13 <FIQ|n900> s/n't help/ help as little/
May 10 23:26:14 <infobot> FIQ|n900 meant: But i guess that it would help as little
May 10 23:26:26 <merlin1991> MohammadAG:  single photo view (with comments) in portrait has wrong width
May 10 23:26:46 <merlin1991> also, pic still blink in before animation starts
May 10 23:26:53 <merlin1991> s/pic/pics/
May 10 23:26:53 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: also, pics still blink in before animation starts
May 10 23:27:28 <merlin1991> invalid with with album view in portrait too
May 10 23:28:29 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, not in notifications they don't blink
May 10 23:28:42 <merlin1991> oh they do
May 10 23:28:43 <MohammadAG> (which makes me wonder why they blink elsewhere)
May 10 23:28:47 <merlin1991> I open notifications
May 10 23:28:49 <merlin1991> see all pics
May 10 23:28:51 <Kilroo> This is going to be entertaining. I wonder if I'll brick my n900 in the process of all these repartitioning shenanigans I'm planning to try tonight.
May 10 23:28:53 <merlin1991> then they go away
May 10 23:28:55 <merlin1991> and fly in
May 10 23:29:19 <Kilroo> I believe I shall eat dinner first though so I don't end up realizing at 11pm that I'm starving...
May 10 23:29:41 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, when you open notifications it refreshes them
May 10 23:29:55 <MohammadAG> when it refreshes them, it clears all items and adds them again
May 10 23:30:15 <MohammadAG> you don't notice that for text, only for avatars :p
May 10 23:30:18 <merlin1991> whatever it does in the bg, what I see is "wrong"
May 10 23:30:28 * FIQ|n900 has managed to both repartition his N900 AND get out of space in /
May 10 23:30:46 <FIQ|n900> not the same time though
May 10 23:31:17 <FIQ|n900> / just shrank over time until it finally emptied with free space
May 10 23:31:26 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: you always manage to provide a portrait mode, but forget to set the width in portrait for stuff :D
May 10 23:32:01 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, it works (tm)
May 10 23:32:17 <merlin1991> also noone going to comment on the apt-get warning I have besides "I have it too"?
May 10 23:32:30 <MohammadAG> I don't have it too
May 10 23:32:35 <MohammadAG> see what I did there?
May 10 23:32:43 <MohammadAG> right, I didn't do anything
May 10 23:32:55 <Kilroo> ...I thought / was the part you pretty much can't do anything about.
May 10 23:33:30 <FIQ|n900> It wasn't a part of my repartitioning
May 10 23:33:31 <merlin1991> Kilroo:  you can have a bigger / if you sed the image before flashing the device
May 10 23:34:18 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, no, bigger /home not /
May 10 23:34:41 <merlin1991> okay, I take it back, seems I messed up something here
May 10 23:34:42 <Kilroo> merlin1991: I think I misspoke/misunderstood the reference. I thought for a moment the subject under discussion was the OneNAND or whatever the word for it is.
May 10 23:34:48 <MohammadAG> we need a tmo client
May 10 23:35:24 * merlin1991 remembers that / is on a different flash than /user and bumps head into wall
May 10 23:35:36 <merlin1991> sry about spreading fud
May 10 23:35:43 <Kilroo> IIRC the technical term for running low on space on the rootfs is "SOL."
May 10 23:35:58 <merlin1991> I even had a device where only the / flash worked and the other one was broken
May 10 23:36:07 <merlin1991> and still forgot about it :P
May 10 23:36:26 <FIQ|n900> my device survived!
May 10 23:36:34 <FIQ|n900> :D
May 10 23:36:57 <Kilroo> One of these days I really ought to obtain either a usb host-mode cable or a bluetooth keyboard or something
May 10 23:37:06 <merlin1991> my first n900 had the non root flash cease working after I dropped it from about 1,5m
May 10 23:37:12 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, /home, not /user
May 10 23:37:23 <MohammadAG> <- filesystem nazi
May 10 23:37:29 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: I officially hate you now :P
May 10 23:37:32 <FIQ|n900> :p
May 10 23:37:41 <FIQ|n900> mis-interpreted that as /usr
May 10 23:37:44 <merlin1991> EVERYONE but the nazi knew what I ment :D
May 10 23:37:47 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, let's celebrate!
May 10 23:37:53 <FIQ|n900> didn't realise that /user sat under / lol
May 10 23:38:00 <FIQ|n900> s/user/usr/
May 10 23:38:02 <infobot> FIQ|n900 meant: didn't realise that /usr sat under / lol
May 10 23:38:24 <MohammadAG> everything sits under /
May 10 23:38:26 <MohammadAG> <- filesystem nazi
May 10 23:38:31 * MohammadAG hides
May 10 23:38:40 <merlin1991> btw having a dead /home flash makes an interesting effect
May 10 23:38:41 <BCMM_> how can i go online/offline for IM from the command line?
May 10 23:38:43 <MohammadAG> I remember the time I forced a umount of /
May 10 23:38:56 <FIQ|n900> uh
May 10 23:38:58 <BCMM_> (alternatively, how else can i automatically log on and off at certain times?)
May 10 23:39:00 <merlin1991> BCMM_: I bet there's some dbus stuff for telepathy there
May 10 23:39:01 <FIQ|n900> what happened?
May 10 23:39:02 <FIQ|n900> :D
May 10 23:39:20 <merlin1991> well, the phone did boot
May 10 23:39:22 <merlin1991> took the pin
May 10 23:39:30 <MohammadAG> Shit happened (TM)
May 10 23:39:32 <merlin1991> even was able to start browser for example
May 10 23:39:47 <MohammadAG> actually
May 10 23:39:49 <BCMM_> see, phone goes silent at night through the magic of alarmed, but apparently being "online" causes people to complain when you don't respond more than accepting SMSs does
May 10 23:39:49 <merlin1991> ofc it complained about running out of mem all the time due to no swap
May 10 23:39:51 * FIQ|n900 is tempted to try, but he assumes that Maemo is going to hate him then
May 10 23:39:52 <MohammadAG> the system continued working
May 10 23:40:11 <MohammadAG> but whenever it wanted to do something it errored out
May 10 23:40:17 <MohammadAG> FIQ|n900, umount -l /
May 10 23:40:17 <BCMM_> probably because most people can't tell if an SMS got through or not
May 10 23:40:24 <MohammadAG> I hope you don't corrupt anything :P
May 10 23:40:35 <FIQ|n900> :P
May 10 23:40:37 <MohammadAG> I did it on my PC
May 10 23:40:54 <merlin1991> so yea, it worked as far as core functionality of the phone went
May 10 23:40:56 <BCMM_> also, is there any system for configuring a notification when a specific contact goes online?
May 10 23:40:59 <merlin1991> I think I could still call too
May 10 23:41:03 <merlin1991> but everything else didn't work
May 10 23:41:28 <merlin1991> BCMM_: I fear you'll have to go over the telepathy docs for that
May 10 23:41:30 <FIQ|n900> btw, why do /home use journaling?
May 10 23:41:37 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, PC
May 10 23:41:39 <merlin1991> at least I know nothing on the ui side that would enable todo you that
May 10 23:41:48 <BCMM_> merlin1991: was hoping somebody else did, and wrote an application or something :)
May 10 23:41:49 <MohammadAG> Swap is always 0% on my PC
May 10 23:41:53 <MohammadAG> 4GB ram ftw!1
May 10 23:42:06 * FIQ|n900 has 6GB RAM
May 10 23:42:11 <MohammadAG> fu
May 10 23:42:15 <merlin1991> hehe swapoff on the n900
May 10 23:42:23 <merlin1991> and enjoy randomly closing apps :D
May 10 23:42:30 <MohammadAG> you'll get errors from hildon-desktop merlin1991
May 10 23:42:40 <MohammadAG> Unable to launch application, not enough memory
May 10 23:42:40 <merlin1991> you get errors from everywhere
May 10 23:42:44 <MohammadAG> nah
May 10 23:42:49 <MohammadAG> CTRL+SHIFT+X
May 10 23:42:58 <MohammadAG> and start showing it who's boss
May 10 23:43:02 <merlin1991> :D
May 10 23:43:06 <FIQ|n900> xterm ftw
May 10 23:43:12 <GAN900> Heeeey, zerojaaay
May 10 23:43:14 <FIQ|n900> or not
May 10 23:43:33 <merlin1991> hey browser did work, but I didn't get as far as using pastebin to save some stuff from xterm xD
May 10 23:43:35 <MohammadAG> osso-xterm isn't that bad actually
May 10 23:43:53 <MohammadAG> it needs keyboard shortcuts though
May 10 23:44:05 <MohammadAG> CTRL+Shift+v to paste etc
May 10 23:44:39 <FIQ|n900> isn't osso-zterm open source
May 10 23:44:40 <merlin1991> it needs CTRL + Shift + Fn + B todo black magic
May 10 23:44:51 <merlin1991> FIQ|n900: yes it is
May 10 23:44:54 <MohammadAG> FIQ|n900, it is
May 10 23:45:01 <merlin1991> there's even some xterm fix for something in the cssu
May 10 23:45:06 <MohammadAG> but I've said it many times
May 10 23:45:10 <FIQ|n900> yes
May 10 23:45:10 <MohammadAG> I suck at gtk
May 10 23:45:16 <FIQ|n900> light black
May 10 23:45:19 <merlin1991> or rather going to
May 10 23:45:22 <FIQ|n900> or was it dark gray?
May 10 23:45:32 <nox-> merlin1991, you mean the return key bug?
May 10 23:45:43 <FIQ|n900> oh
May 10 23:45:45 <FIQ|n900> that too
May 10 23:45:47 <MohammadAG> that's vte
May 10 23:45:52 <MohammadAG> not the UI
May 10 23:45:53 <nox-> ah true
May 10 23:46:27 <merlin1991> ah well osso-xterm is on gitorious, waiting for patches http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-xterm/commits/master
May 10 23:50:28 <FIQ|n900> hmm...
May 10 23:50:54 <FIQ|n900> i must go and compile my own version of the maemo version of xchat
May 10 23:51:13 <FIQ|n900> so I can actually paste things
May 10 23:51:15 <merlin1991> FIQ|n900: what do you need from it that it doesn't offer currently?
May 10 23:51:18 <merlin1991> ah :D
May 10 23:51:20 <FIQ|n900> more than 1 line
May 10 23:51:40 <FIQ|n900> that's really annoying tbh
May 10 23:52:22 <MohammadAG> indeed
May 10 23:53:19 <MohammadAG> i wonder how fast thunderbird would run on the N900
May 10 23:53:36 <FIQ|n900> uhm
May 10 23:53:53 <FIQ|n900> Prolly not that bad, but nothing you would use daily
May 10 23:54:28 * merlin1991 wonders if quassel2go has proper multiline paste support
May 10 23:54:32 <FIQ|n900> If i'm optimistic
May 10 23:54:50 <FIQ|n900> Even my old phone's client had it
May 10 23:55:12 <FIQ|n900> Mostly because writing opened a whole new window of text to write in
May 10 23:55:26 <merlin1991> ah seems like the quasselcore actually takes care of that
May 10 23:55:26 <merlin1991> yay
May 10 23:55:32 * merlin1991 goes to try on the n900
May 10 23:56:05 <FIQ|n900> Uh, but I use xchat at desktop
May 10 23:56:10 <FIQ|n900> and can paste properly
May 10 23:56:19 <FIQ|n900> why doesn't it work on N900?
May 10 23:56:24 <FIQ|n900> different input?
May 10 23:56:29 <merlin1991> the n900 is special ;)
May 10 23:56:48 * FIQ|n900 uses N900 as he uses his desktop
May 10 23:57:02 <FIQ|n900> (minus desktop gaming)
May 10 23:57:40 <merlin1991> yep quassel2go works just fine
May 10 23:57:49 <FIQ|n900> hm
May 10 23:58:08 <FIQ|n900> I guess I can take a look
May 10 23:58:43 <merlin1991> quassel2go is a n900 client for quassel
May 10 23:58:49 <FIQ|n900> but I prefer treebar over tabs
May 10 23:58:58 <merlin1991> http://quassel-irc.org/
May 10 23:58:59 <FIQ|n900> Yes, i know
May 10 23:59:43 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/xchat.png - wfm\
May 11 00:00:04 <SpeedEvil> I would like it if it had pidgins channel-alias functionality.
May 11 00:00:31 <merlin1991> SpeedEvil: that's about how my xchat looked before I switched to quassel :)
May 11 00:04:11 <FIQ|n900> http://i56.tinypic.com/11htrug.png
May 11 00:04:15 <FIQ|n900> I prefer black
May 11 00:04:19 <FIQ|n900> background
May 11 00:04:56 <MohammadAG> same as my xchat
May 11 00:05:12 <MohammadAG> I did have kinetic scrolling in userlist at one point
May 11 00:05:50 <merlin1991> hah now I know you're on quakenet too ;)
May 11 00:06:02 <FIQ|n900> :P
May 11 00:09:58 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG: did you post to n4g.com about the GMail hacking?
May 11 00:10:26 <MohammadAG> GeneralAntilles, no, I'm not sure it's related to PSN
May 11 00:10:31 <MohammadAG> the IP is finnish
May 11 00:10:48 <GeneralAntilles> MohammadAG, yeah, my very old WoW account got the same treatment.
May 11 00:10:59 <merlin1991> http://i55.tinypic.com/2jd2sk3.png
May 11 00:11:00 <GeneralAntilles> But there's an EddyD posting about it with your avatar. :P
May 11 00:11:06 <GeneralAntilles> http://n4g.com/news/752319/psn-hacked-my-gmail-hacked/com
May 11 00:12:29 <SpeedEvil> GeneralAntilles: You don't have any NDAd material the hacker could release do you?
May 11 00:12:59 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil, on my WoW account? *g*
May 11 00:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> And, no, nothing from Nokia floating around.
May 11 00:13:08 <GeneralAntilles> Been too long off the council. ;)
May 11 00:13:42 <SpeedEvil> That's a relief. :)
May 11 00:14:07 <GeneralAntilles> Thank goodness not much shared that password.
May 11 00:14:51 <MohammadAG> GeneralAntilles, nah, not me :P
May 11 00:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> Coincidence, then.
May 11 00:16:50 <SpeedEvil> http://jonoscript.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/pass_hist.png
May 11 00:16:54 <SpeedEvil> I find revealing.
May 11 00:20:37 <BCMM_> GeneralAntilles: great truncation there!
May 11 01:09:41 <MohammadAG> I hate facebook
May 11 01:09:54 <MohammadAG> they're breaking all apps by October 1st
May 11 01:09:58 * nox- just doesnt use it
May 11 01:11:34 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: you mean not allowing other than non-approved clients?
May 11 01:11:41 <Kilroo> ...you know, if I'm planning on repartitioning the emmc anyhow, I imagine there isn't a great deal of point in also putting supplemental swap space on an SD card, is there.
May 11 01:11:54 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, something about SSL certificates
May 11 01:12:02 <MohammadAG> https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/497
May 11 01:14:08 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 11 01:14:25 <MohammadAG> this might only be related to apps that use JS to login
May 11 01:15:38 <MohammadAG> oh well, I'll see about that in october
May 11 01:16:58 <Kilroo> Febtober.
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