**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 11 02:59:58 2011
May 11 03:36:32 <pauly> anyone want to buy n900 with broken usb in usa
May 11 03:37:27 <cehteh> again? :)
May 11 03:38:16 <pauly> yes
May 11 03:38:24 <pauly> u never replied
May 11 03:39:12 <pauly> cehteh hello
May 11 03:39:26 <cehteh> i hoped you want to give it away for really cheap :P
May 11 03:39:32 <cehteh> i am not in usa anyway
May 11 03:39:47 <pauly> oh
May 11 03:39:57 <pauly> 250 usd
May 11 03:39:58 <cehteh> i could use a 2nd device for spare parts, experimentation and software tests
May 11 03:40:13 <cehteh> but i dont want to spend much money on it
May 11 03:40:47 <pauly> i want to get galaxy s 4g 21 mbps down hspa+
May 11 03:41:15 <pauly> i like speed
May 11 03:41:18 <pauly> lol
May 11 03:41:41 <pauly> is 250 usd to much
May 11 03:44:11 <cehteh> yes
May 11 03:44:22 <cehteh> way too much :)
May 11 03:44:53 <cehteh> so much too much that we dont need to discuss this any further :P
May 11 03:51:36 <chx> pauly: my friend, 300 USD buys me a functional N900 off eBay any day
May 11 03:51:54 <chx> pauly: with a litlte luck 250 can be  achieved
May 11 04:00:19 <krayon> chx: 300 is the upper from my experience (and ebay completed listings would seem to support this)
May 11 04:00:53 <cehteh> and that are working devices, not ones with broken usb port :P
May 11 04:04:06 <genewitch> what is the CHOST target for the arm architecture? IE what does gcc -v output?
May 11 04:16:33 <genewitch> no one?
May 11 04:18:13 <krayon> genewitch: Do you mean in the scratchbox?
May 11 04:20:05 <genewitch> if you type gcc -v on an arm machine, what's the CHOST
May 11 04:20:12 <genewitch> arm-none-linux-gnu?
May 11 04:20:22 <genewitch> arm-unknown? arm-generic?
May 11 04:20:49 <genewitch> arm-undermydesk-pc-gnu? (freebsd jokes... hilarious)
May 11 04:21:51 <genewitch> i'm setting up a toolchain elsewhere and i need the chost for a template
May 11 04:21:56 <krayon> genewitch: The scratchbox reports target as arm-none-linux-gnueabi but I don't have gcc on the N900 :/
May 11 04:22:07 <genewitch> what does eabi stand for
May 11 04:22:22 <chx> genewitch: if you google you do not need to click, i'ts in the result list!
May 11 04:22:27 <chx> genewitch: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2BCHOST+n900&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
May 11 04:22:37 <chx> genewitch: CHOST=armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi
May 11 04:23:37 <genewitch> chx: sweet. i'll hit both and see which one sticks.
May 11 06:53:33 <Pillum> anyone here familiar with multiboot and kernel v47
May 11 06:53:48 <Pillum> and meego
May 11 06:53:50 <Pillum> ?
May 11 06:57:34 <Pillum> I've run "apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg" but this didnt do anything
May 11 07:16:03 <Hukka> Hm
May 11 07:16:35 <Hukka> I've been thinking about getting bluetooth headphones, but remember reading that N900 had some potentially huge problems with connectivity and quality. Has that changed since the early times?
May 11 07:19:19 <krayon> Hukka: I use the cheapest ones I could find off eBay (their Bluetooth ID thingy is 01:02:03:04:05:06 etc)
May 11 07:20:06 <krayon> Hukka: They work 100% perfectly, all the time, connecting and disconnecting whilst playback works fine, buttons on it work fine for controlling media player, and the range is pretty damn good too, so much so I lost my phone at home once whilst I was listening to stuff.
May 11 07:20:31 <krayon> Oh, quality is good too, although I mainly listen to podcasts
May 11 07:21:07 <Hukka> I think back in 09 people reported that some models (at least Jawbones) didn't work at all, and some worked perfectly
May 11 07:21:12 <Hukka> Seemed like a hit-or-miss thing
May 11 07:21:41 <Hukka> But perhaps Nokia phones are more reliable to work with it?
May 11 07:22:05 <Hukka> These are second hand BH905s, thinking about how much they would be worth for music
May 11 07:22:29 <Hukka> They also have cable connection, so if they are ok I could use them at home/work too just for music
May 11 07:22:32 <krayon> Well, I've only used a Jabra headset and these cheap ass headphones but both A-OK
May 11 07:23:55 <krayon> Hukka: FWIW the ones I have look something like these: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260617451262
May 11 07:24:31 <krayon> The only issue I had with them was they stopped charging so I had to open them up and solder a broken join but that's all.  Had them 2 - 2.5 years maybe.
May 11 07:46:25 <_berto_> they're starting to announce microsoft's plans for skype
May 11 07:46:30 <_berto_> http://a.yfrog.com/img615/6462/453c.gif
May 11 07:47:27 <dm8tbr> _berto_:  http://www.bfst.de/funpix/we_are_doomed.jpeg
May 11 07:47:38 <robbiethe1st> Yup
May 11 07:47:38 <krayon> LMAO nice
May 11 07:48:13 <robbiethe1st> I've got a good idea! Boycott Skype and MS!
May 11 07:48:17 <_berto_> haha, I had seen that one too
May 11 07:48:18 * robbiethe1st hands out Linux CDs
May 11 08:37:20 <mece> daaaamn! Zehjotkah is teasing on twitter.
May 11 08:38:09 <mece> @zehjotkah: I could use a worthy successor to my Nokia N900... which I can actually use in public... #MeeGo
May 11 08:38:15 <mece> @zehjotkah: If you plan to buy an Android device or an iPhone: just wait two weeks, they won't run away! #MeeGo
May 11 08:41:22 <petteri> I fear you wont get N950 from the shops by 23.5, but hopefully someday in the summer
May 11 08:41:55 <citylights> hi
May 11 08:42:39 <citylights> say how do I add an item to the main drop down window
May 11 08:42:46 <citylights> like openvpn applet
May 11 08:45:31 <citylights> I read openvpn-applet.py and see it uses hd_plugin_type which I found here http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop
May 11 08:49:01 <mece> petteri, might be true, still, I can't help being excited. I won't buy anything until november when I can stop paying for my N900.
May 11 08:54:54 <chem|st> morning
May 11 09:11:51 <RST38h> ZiiLabs outs dual-core ZMS-20 and quad-core ZMS-40 for Honeycomb tablets, clocks 'em at 1.5GHz
May 11 09:11:55 <RST38h> QUADcore
May 11 09:15:09 <SpeedEvil> QUADCOAR!
May 11 09:17:24 <Khertan> Morning
May 11 09:27:49 <dm8tbr> just means it can burn through the battery much faster *eg*
May 11 09:28:44 <SpeedEvil> It depends, there are interesting possibilities of very asymetric cores.
May 11 09:29:40 <SpeedEvil> For example, imagine a core that is similar logically to the other three cores, but manufactured so it's got a maximum speed of a few dozen megahertz. This has vastly lower power.
May 11 09:30:56 <SpeedEvil> It handles all the interrupty stuff and avoids waking the main CPU, but if it's working for a sustained period - say 10ms or more - it is suspended, the register and state-set transferred to a faster core, and that's turned on.
May 11 09:34:18 <robbiethe1st> Why not just run the main core at a few dozen mhz? You could vastly undervolt it, and even if not the time spent switching(and thus, power loss) would be negligable...
May 11 09:35:12 <SpeedEvil> Doesn't work.
May 11 09:35:25 <SpeedEvil> Undervolting saves - perhaps - half the power.
May 11 09:35:48 <SpeedEvil> Lower speed processors can run at a hundredth of the power.
May 11 09:36:44 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: we could try doing that wirh rapuyama
May 11 09:36:57 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: move stuff to rapuyama and send main omap to sleep
May 11 09:37:01 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 11 09:37:10 <jacekowski> unless you need screen or keyboard omap can be sleeping
May 11 09:37:16 <SpeedEvil> If you can open rapuyama. :)
May 11 09:37:21 <jacekowski> but we don't know how to run stuff on rapuyama
May 11 09:44:36 <robbiethe1st> SpeedEvil: My point was that, why use a whole new chip? why can't the main core be /very/ much underclocked? Perhaps using a second crystal or something
May 11 09:44:55 <robbiethe1st> Unless the chip design's different, it shouldn't use much/any more power
May 11 09:45:04 <SpeedEvil> Because semiconductor physics doesn't work that way.
May 11 09:45:22 <robbiethe1st> Uh... what?
May 11 09:45:40 <SpeedEvil> If you undervolt and underclock the device to 1/100th of its nominal speed, it will still use around a third to a half of the normal operating power.
May 11 09:45:56 <SpeedEvil> Due to threshold variation of the devices on chip, and other factors.
May 11 09:46:50 <jacekowski> robbiethe1st: it would be unstable if underclocked
May 11 09:47:03 <robbiethe1st> Uh, why?
May 11 09:47:15 <robbiethe1st> Undervolt+underclock, perhaps, but just underclock?
May 11 09:47:29 <jacekowski> nope
May 11 09:47:30 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: Because semiconductor devices are run on the ragged edge between instability and not working at all.
May 11 09:47:34 <chem|st> there are limits where transistors do funny things
May 11 09:47:44 <SpeedEvil> Underclocking and the leakage current kills you.
May 11 09:48:15 <SpeedEvil> Due to process variations and variations across the wafer - and underlying physics - transistors in modern processors don't turn all the way on and off.
May 11 09:48:21 <SpeedEvil> They go between on and mostly off.
May 11 09:48:51 <SpeedEvil> Mostly off is fine for functionality, but it adds to massive power usage if you actually try to keep the chip active in standby, just not clocked.
May 11 09:48:53 <robbiethe1st> Oh, so the problem is that the transistors are leaking a small amount, and unless it's switched back off/on, it'd slowly increase the voltage between it and the next transistor until that one turns on
May 11 09:49:05 <robbiethe1st> That makes sense
May 11 09:49:09 <SpeedEvil> Not really - but that can be an issue too.
May 11 09:49:43 <SpeedEvil> If that was the only problem it would be possible to reengineer so that it could be in standby unclocked.
May 11 09:49:49 <chem|st> thats why tripplecores nowadays are quadcores with one core turned off.. thats not by choice that is by "not-so-good-working-state"
May 11 09:50:05 <robbiethe1st> Well, half of them are.
May 11 09:50:07 <SpeedEvil> The problem is that each partly-on transistor leaks current and wastes it.
May 11 09:50:47 <robbiethe1st> What if you simply reduced the number of things that need to be updated during sleep?  And or align the timers together so the chip can turn on, update a bunch of stuff in 1ms or so, then turn back off
May 11 09:50:55 <chem|st> and turning off one core by software uses more power than throttle them to c0
May 11 09:51:36 <chem|st> applies to multicore machines
May 11 09:51:43 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: And yes, that helps.
May 11 09:51:46 <robbiethe1st> chem|st: Isn't that sort of what a power-gate in the new procs is supposed to do? Flip at least part of it completely off.
May 11 09:52:21 <SpeedEvil> robbiethe1st: The issue is that it's rather inflexible - if you want to do something the hardware can't quite in software in the background - you can't.
May 11 09:52:31 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: but you actualy do not want it to be off as turning it on when needed has a damn high latnecy
May 11 09:52:58 <robbiethe1st> chem|st: It seems to work with the omap on the n900; turning on and off 100 times per second at least
May 11 09:53:02 <SpeedEvil> For example - logging data from the accellerometer, then interrupting if certain gestures are found.
May 11 09:53:14 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: ehrm that is not off
May 11 09:53:25 <SpeedEvil> It's not turning on and off 100 times a second - it's considerably less than that into C4
May 11 09:53:29 <chem|st> that is a sleep state that is something else
May 11 09:53:41 <robbiethe1st> isn't that sleep state good enough, then?
May 11 09:53:48 <chem|st> it is
May 11 09:54:20 <SpeedEvil> It has a very large latency though.
May 11 09:54:22 <chem|st> what drains your battery are some python apps, daemons, telepathy and hildon-home gone wild
May 11 09:54:28 <robbiethe1st> Yes.
May 11 09:54:54 <robbiethe1st> Well, and the screen. But in "standby" mode, yes.,
May 11 09:55:03 <chem|st> had a skype-telepathy hickup 2 days ago... 4 hours to flat
May 11 09:55:39 <chem|st> the screen backlight is the drainer the lcd itself doesn't use that much
May 11 09:56:16 <robbiethe1st> On our N900, what we sort of need is a power-watchdog; something that can kill apps that seem to be taking to much(which also reports the problem to the app dev)
May 11 09:56:41 <chx> heh irc would be dead all the time :)
May 11 09:56:47 <jacekowski> pausing the app wouldn't be bad
May 11 09:56:58 <robbiethe1st> 'Cause IMHO, it'd be better having the browser or skype killed after an hour of standby then to have the battery dead
May 11 09:57:13 <jacekowski> just pause it
May 11 09:57:29 <jacekowski> and then resume whenever required
May 11 09:57:34 <chem|st> but you dont want msg be paused
May 11 09:57:48 <robbiethe1st> That's a good idea, and would work in some cases, but in others the solution might be to kill a daemon, which would then restart
May 11 09:57:54 <jacekowski> tbh. all apps that are not important should be paused while you're not looking
May 11 09:58:01 <robbiethe1st> aand, yes.
May 11 09:58:15 <robbiethe1st> Would be nice to be able to leave web pages open without additional power drain
May 11 09:58:41 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: ever heard of timeouts?
May 11 09:58:58 <chem|st> simply you cannot
May 11 09:59:19 <robbiethe1st> Uh, /stop/ the damn javascript whenever the screen goes off, IMHO.
May 11 09:59:22 <chem|st> the framework controlling it would use more power than you get
May 11 09:59:38 <robbiethe1st> Just have it remove all JS timers at some point, and pause.
May 11 10:00:16 <chem|st> just deaktivate JS!
May 11 10:00:21 <robbiethe1st> I mean, sure, it could cause some issues, but probably less than the current JS paused after 30 seconds thing.
May 11 10:00:28 <chem|st> k->c sry
May 11 10:00:41 <robbiethe1st> yea, and that's what I've taken to, but having JS available is nice.
May 11 10:00:45 <chem|st> that k - c thing happens to me quiet often lately
May 11 10:00:53 <robbiethe1st> and remembering to disable it all the time... not so easy or fun
May 11 10:02:26 <robbiethe1st> What I'd /like/ is a nice daemon that handles all this stuff say 5 minutes after the screen turns off; it'd pause all but a selected list of apps, disable certain timers etc. Heck, they might even have built-in functionality it could be connected to: hildon home seems to do a good job of that
May 11 10:02:52 <robbiethe1st> what with the clock not being updated with the screen off(nor anything else really)
May 11 10:12:26 <SpeedEvil> Some things you want active, and can't do without something being active - for example gesture recognition.
May 11 10:15:02 <cityLights> I am so gratfull openvpn-applet was written , it makes it so easy to get the UI I seek
May 11 10:15:24 <cityLights> s/gratfull/grateful/
May 11 10:15:24 <infobot> cityLights meant: I am so grateful openvpn-applet was written , it makes it so easy to get the UI I seek
May 11 10:49:30 <Venemo> good morning Maemo guys :)
May 11 10:49:47 <merlin1991> Morning Venemo
May 11 10:50:05 <Venemo> morning merlin1991
May 11 11:10:01 <Hukka> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=959367&postcount=35 Sounds like BT on N900 is still bad
May 11 12:19:44 <cityLights> did anyone apply electro static shock to the N900?
May 11 12:19:56 <cityLights> I just did by mistake, and it rebooted
May 11 12:20:29 <cityLights> I was wearing rubber shoes and when I touched it , then was a shock
May 11 12:20:39 <RST38h> the syndrome  particularly common among American clergymen  of falsely claiming to be a former US Navy SEAL has risen to prominence, as the risk of being exposed as such a liar has risen severely.
May 11 12:20:48 * RST38h eeks
May 11 12:31:59 <cityLights> is Mikko Vartiainen here? if so I like to thank him, as I am using his code
May 11 12:35:46 <SpeedEvil> What's the code?
May 11 12:36:24 <cityLights> openvpn-applet
May 11 12:36:33 <cityLights> it is very helpfull
May 11 12:36:41 <cityLights> easy to read
May 11 12:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: ESD protection is not meant to keep running the device's processes without any impact. Though I had that 'shock' several times now and never seen it reboot
May 11 12:39:01 <cityLights> yes, its not the first time, but this time , it did reboot
May 11 12:39:21 <cityLights> I just hope the new N900 will soon be out to replace this
May 11 12:39:32 <cityLights> as I think this may have caused harm
May 11 12:39:36 <ZogG> MohammadAG, ping
May 11 12:39:58 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer waiting people to make solid work =)
May 11 12:40:20 <cityLights> "solid work"?
May 11 12:40:26 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, they told expo is not that good idea, said it would be nice to use glue gun or something
May 11 12:40:31 <ZogG> what do you think?
May 11 12:40:51 <ZogG> cityLights, micro usb got ripped out
May 11 12:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: sure, if you're willing to have a steel gaze in front of LCD, and a device that's 80% heavier
May 11 12:41:16 <ZogG> ok i'll stick with expo
May 11 12:42:29 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: I'd use epoxy 2-component glue, hot glue is not really that strong
May 11 12:42:53 <DocScrutinizer> however practice with some similar objects first
May 11 12:43:14 <cityLights> btw, we where using a windows mobile pre 7 yesterday, htc edge hd, and it actually halted in the middle of the trail
May 11 12:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> make sure you don't tuin the receptacle by glue flowing into the receptacle
May 11 12:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> ruin*
May 11 12:44:11 <cityLights> imagine missing a turn becasue the gps freezes
May 11 12:45:00 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i'm scared =)
May 11 12:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> you better are
May 11 12:45:50 <DocScrutinizer> hot glue can be removed when you screw up. Epoxy not
May 11 12:45:59 <DocScrutinizer> at least not that easy
May 11 12:46:15 <DocScrutinizer> otoh hotglue is a joke
May 11 12:46:39 <DocScrutinizer> kinda better stickytape
May 11 12:46:49 <ZogG> that's what he said
May 11 12:46:59 <ZogG> i can't remove expo opnce i used it
May 11 12:47:15 <DocScrutinizer> you can, using a Dremel :-D
May 11 12:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> a sharp scalpel
May 11 12:48:03 <DocScrutinizer> also heating up to 250° makes some epoxy fail
May 11 12:48:41 <DocScrutinizer> but it's really really hard, so better practice and do the real thing after you feel experienced and familiar
May 11 12:57:54 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer MD Expo =)
May 11 12:58:30 <chem|st> ZogG: highly depends on how clean and conditioned your surfaces are...
May 11 12:59:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~expo
May 11 12:59:10 <infobot> i guess expo is Linux Expo - see linuxexpo.com
May 11 13:00:09 <chem|st> freshly brushed metal pieces free of silicon and overall clean, tend to brake on the metal side instead of the epoxy getting lose or even brake
May 11 13:00:52 <SpeedEvil> Umm - bull.
May 11 13:01:14 <SpeedEvil> Unless you're perhaps talking about lead, or some other very fragile metal.
May 11 13:02:02 <SpeedEvil> Or failures in bending of the metal, rather than the epoxy actually tearing the metal.
May 11 13:02:10 <Venemo_N900> ~ping
May 11 13:02:10 <infobot> ~pong
May 11 13:02:25 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: we do tests like that at work... and most of the time we find metal on the epoxy surface of the freshly broken sample
May 11 13:02:54 <chem|st> well we are looking on different stuff
May 11 13:03:17 <SpeedEvil> On straight pull-tests?
May 11 13:03:39 <chem|st> parallel
May 11 13:04:31 <SpeedEvil> Fair enough I suppose - I've never seen it when doing various prep tests on bond strengths of epoxy here.
May 11 13:05:15 <chem|st> even worse on outdoor tests aluminium-epoxy we found no epoxy on the epoxy side of the sample but AlO all over the place
May 11 13:05:32 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: you dont see it
May 11 13:05:36 <SpeedEvil> Ah - that's different - I was assuming actual uncorroded metal
May 11 13:05:51 <SpeedEvil> yeah - once corrosion comes into play, it's a _vastly_ different thing.
May 11 13:06:16 <chem|st> most metals have a corroded surface
May 11 13:06:24 * SpeedEvil ponders setting up a carbon-carbon composite kiln again.
May 11 13:06:30 <chem|st> in terms of oxides
May 11 13:06:33 <SpeedEvil> Of course.
May 11 13:07:06 <chem|st> and you cannot se it with your eyes... we do small scale analytics with those stuff
May 11 13:07:12 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
May 11 13:07:22 * SpeedEvil has never really believed in the microscope.
May 11 13:07:25 <SpeedEvil> It's all lies!
May 11 13:07:37 <chem|st> for you and me it just looks like the damn epox came off
May 11 13:08:01 * SpeedEvil is currently pondering the creep strength of HDPE at 90C, and if plastic hot-water-cylinders are barking mad.
May 11 13:08:10 <chem|st> no microscope... more massspectrometers
May 11 13:08:14 <SpeedEvil> (if supported externally)
May 11 13:08:29 <SpeedEvil> Mass spec won't tell you if it's Al, or AlO will it?
May 11 13:08:45 <chem|st> time-of-flight does
May 11 13:08:56 <SpeedEvil> Wouldn't you need something like that form of electron microscopy that can do analysis.
May 11 13:09:00 <SpeedEvil> I forget what it's called.
May 11 13:09:09 <SpeedEvil> backscatter?
May 11 13:09:56 <chem|st> with xps for example you can define the bonds of O other atoms by energy
May 11 13:12:05 <SpeedEvil> In many cases, this is all mostly meaningless.
May 11 13:12:22 <SpeedEvil> As much as it helps to learn about electronics by understanding bandgaps and shizzle.
May 11 13:12:52 <RST38h> all science is a lie!
May 11 13:13:00 <SpeedEvil> Unless you're actually in adhesives development of course.
May 11 13:13:08 <SpeedEvil> Or fab design.
May 11 13:13:16 <SpeedEvil> Much of science is lies.
May 11 13:13:22 <RST38h> in reality, all matter is made of tiny lego pieces, but the scientists are hiding the truth!
May 11 13:13:44 <SpeedEvil> It's only in really advanced physics you get taught the currently understood 'truth'.
May 11 13:13:56 <chem|st> we are after it, as noone did before we try to characterize epoxy components (mix) and matters (core - interphase - surface) influencing it's latter condition
May 11 13:13:57 <SpeedEvil> Up to that point, you just get successively approximated lies.
May 11 13:14:10 <RST38h> well, seriously, there is no "truth", just facts and their interpretation
May 11 13:14:20 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: Sounds interesting, especially bonding to unusual composites.
May 11 13:14:30 * SpeedEvil looks at basalt fibre.
May 11 13:14:33 <RST38h> but let us not allow common sense to dull our creative insanity!
May 11 13:14:58 <SpeedEvil> Surface science is hellafun.
May 11 13:15:22 <chem|st> first without any bonding (just the mixtures hardened in different ways and climate conditions) - then bonding to surfaces
May 11 13:15:46 <chem|st> parallel to that another project looks at composite materials
May 11 13:15:51 <SpeedEvil> With various treatments I assume?
May 11 13:15:57 <chem|st> yeas
May 11 13:16:06 <SpeedEvil> /////me wonders again about making Al-C composite.
May 11 13:16:37 <SpeedEvil> (the key is to cool it fast before the Al eats the C)
May 11 13:17:48 <chem|st> they weld Al straps with carbonfiber stuff
May 11 13:18:12 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - this is carbon fibre impregnated with molten Al.
May 11 13:19:32 <chem|st> looks like Al-Epoxy-C-fibre something afterwards on the braking edges
May 11 13:20:24 <chem|st> important for aero and automotive guys as they exacly (want to) do that with chassis
May 11 13:21:08 <SpeedEvil> Indeed - minimum weight - maximum stiffness, maximum repair-costs.
May 11 13:22:07 <chem|st> in their case the stuff is a onetimer as it is for racing models or for aero for stuff you need to replace in one piece anyway
May 11 13:23:05 <chem|st> but I would build anything of that c-fiber if not so expensive
May 11 13:23:30 <SpeedEvil> Well - raw isn't really that bad.
May 11 13:23:53 <SpeedEvil> $10/lb or so.
May 11 13:24:17 <chem|st> but the epoxy
May 11 13:24:21 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
May 11 13:24:32 <chem|st> the fibres arent that expensive
May 11 13:25:30 <SpeedEvil> Producing nice finished stuff is.
May 11 13:25:39 <SpeedEvil> At least buying nice finished stuff.
May 11 13:25:43 <chem|st> hehe
May 11 13:25:48 <chem|st> both
May 11 13:41:34 <RST38h> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/modern-delusions/
May 11 13:41:53 <SpeedEvil> No it's not!
May 11 13:42:21 <jben> Hi,
May 11 13:44:21 <jben> Is it possible to ask connection from a bash script on maemo (with harware N900) ?
May 11 13:44:43 <Venemo> ~seen MohammadAG
May 11 13:44:47 <infobot> mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 29m 5s ago, saying: 'oh well, I'll see about that in october'.
May 11 13:52:11 <chem|st> jben: ?
May 11 13:52:32 <chem|st> what are you after?
May 11 13:52:54 <chem|st> start a wifi connection with a shell script?
May 11 13:54:15 <jben> The idea is to launch a bash script with a crontab, something like that : 'start data packets connection; enable VPN; do stuff; disable VPN; close data packet connection"
May 11 13:54:38 <jben> the part "enable VPN; do stuff; disable VPN;" is done and work fine
May 11 13:54:54 <chem|st> ok now you want it to connect to a network
May 11 13:56:03 <jben> yes
May 11 13:59:54 <chem|st> jben: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking
May 11 13:59:59 <chem|st> there is all you need
May 11 14:00:45 <chem|st> you may want to connect to any or to a specific access point
May 11 14:08:39 <jben> chem|st: Thanks a lot, this is that I want, thanks !
May 11 14:10:10 <jben> I have another question, is it possible to do esaly a shorcut in the desktop to launch a bash script ?
May 11 14:10:28 <chem|st> don't know if it still works but I am to lazy to test it, if it doesn't pls comment on it or even better add/replace with a working
May 11 14:11:15 <chem|st> jben: yeah you make a .desktop file running it just search the wiki for it
May 11 14:11:54 <jben> only a .desktop file, great !
May 11 14:14:16 <chem|st> yeah put it in the right place and it will be available as shortcut from the menu
May 11 14:14:32 <chem|st> well only.. the formating is somewhere...
May 11 14:17:57 <chem|st> http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Creating_desktop_shortcuts_in_Maemo
May 11 14:18:21 <chem|st> that is an example from using debbie to start easy debian applications via desktopo shortcut
May 11 14:19:20 <chem|st> a X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true line might be useful idk if the toolbar shows the entry by default
May 11 14:22:34 <chem|st> ok it shows by dfault
May 11 14:23:18 <zap> Anyone knows if osso-filemanager sourcecode was made public?
May 11 14:26:00 <chem|st> afaik no
May 11 14:33:54 <RST38h> zap: No, but there is FileBox to hack at
May 11 14:37:08 <zap> RST38h: will it work on N810? :)
May 11 15:07:20 <Mece> ~seen khertan
May 11 15:07:32 <infobot> khertan <~khertan@nax2.naxos-fr.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 50m 6s ago, saying: 'Morning'.
May 11 15:11:44 <Kilroo1> oh great...I accomplish my first reboot loop and discover that flasher won't work. Score. Time to drag out the laptop...
May 11 15:44:40 <Kilroo1> And still unable to enumerate usb devices. Maybe I'd better try to use the rescue initrd from windows.
May 11 15:52:21 <chem|st> Kilroo1: is the device off and what does the charging light color up with when attached to a wall charger?
May 11 15:53:58 <DocScrutinizer> yo
May 11 15:54:03 <chem|st> yo DocScrutinizer
May 11 15:55:43 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: today was again one of the days where lmgtf would have been handy but I didn't use it, being nice today... all my google searches were first hit first entry and non of them for myself
May 11 15:56:07 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 11 15:56:19 <chem|st> can infobot google?
May 11 15:56:28 <DocScrutinizer> It's broken
May 11 15:56:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~google DocScrutinizer51
May 11 15:57:02 <chem|st> ~google lazy
May 11 15:57:17 <chem|st> ok
May 11 15:57:20 <chem|st> no google
May 11 15:57:25 <chem|st> sad
May 11 15:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-11 17:55:07] <apt> 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostad
May 11 15:57:51 <DocScrutinizer> ~+help google
May 11 15:57:51 <infobot>    Desc: What Is: Google Search frontend
May 11 15:57:51 <infobot>    Desc: Configuration: "chanset [_default or channelname] +Google"
May 11 15:57:52 <infobot>   Usage: google google <query>
May 11 15:57:52 <infobot> Example: google google infobot
May 11 15:58:06 <chem|st> a quick reply with conversion to lmgtf without returning answers would be nice
May 11 15:58:20 <chem|st> but direct tinyURL
May 11 15:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~google google DocScrutinizer51
May 11 15:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~useless
May 11 15:58:44 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(
May 11 15:58:57 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert o degF to degC
May 11 15:58:58 <infobot> o degF cannot be converted to degC: Unknown unit 'o'
May 11 15:59:05 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 0 degF to degC
May 11 15:59:07 <infobot> 0 degF is approximately 0 degC
May 11 15:59:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~useless
May 11 15:59:12 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(
May 11 15:59:32 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: ehrm is the chanset set?
May 11 15:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> prolly not
May 11 15:59:54 <DocScrutinizer> I have nor perms for that
May 11 16:00:04 <chem|st> still?
May 11 16:00:17 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it's tim's infobot
May 11 16:00:33 <DocScrutinizer> I'm no infobot admin
May 11 16:00:38 <chem|st> ah ok
May 11 16:00:58 <DocScrutinizer> just a well known appreciated "betatester"
May 11 16:01:03 <Kilroo1> chem|st: yes and...um...hang on a minute, I never use my wall charger. Gotta find it.
May 11 16:01:29 <chem|st> Kilroo1: you wont get a usb enumeration if the battery is flat
May 11 16:01:59 <chem|st> AND dont use your front-usb ports, they are hubbed inside
May 11 16:02:03 <DocScrutinizer> you also won't charge it when bootlooping
May 11 16:02:42 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: thats why I asked for "off"
May 11 16:02:52 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 11 16:03:02 * DocScrutinizer is terribly tired
May 11 16:03:12 <chem|st> ~feed DocScrutinizer
May 11 16:03:13 * infobot offers DocScrutinizer some herring
May 11 16:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
May 11 16:03:25 <infobot> i heard xyawn is big coffee
May 11 16:03:25 <chem|st> ~coffee DocScrutinizer
May 11 16:03:26 * infobot steals some of jacekowski's special coffee and gives it to DocScrutinizer on a silver platter.
May 11 16:03:34 <GAN900> I shouldn't have worked yesterday.
May 11 16:03:46 <DocScrutinizer> wow
May 11 16:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~literal coffee
May 11 16:03:53 <infobot> "coffee" is "the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage"
May 11 16:04:01 <Kilroo1> chem|st: I don't think it is flat. It does flash orange in the normal charging indication when connected via usb. And I believe your instruction regarding USB ports is erroneous for my computer.
May 11 16:04:03 * GAN900 had a dream about bawling out irritating customers.
May 11 16:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~literal coffee x
May 11 16:04:03 * infobot steals some of basiaf's special coffee and gives it to x on a silver platter.
May 11 16:04:42 <chem|st> Kilroo1: most front ports are hubbed, I got 4 hubbed and 2 direct up front
May 11 16:04:52 <Kilroo1> If I can just get at the blasted files I changed last, I should be able to get it to stop trying to mount /home from the microsd and it will behave again...
May 11 16:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1:keep it charging til "green"!!
May 11 16:05:28 <chem|st> Kilroo1: then try again with flashing
May 11 16:05:29 <DocScrutinizer> do it now
May 11 16:06:26 <chem|st> Kilroo1: you wont get access to those files till you get rid of the bootloop, apart of maybe booting to some other system like meego or ubuntu
May 11 16:06:47 <DocScrutinizer> rescue-initrd, as he mentioned
May 11 16:07:02 <chem|st> without flashing?
May 11 16:07:06 <DocScrutinizer> but that'S a bitch
May 11 16:08:05 <chem|st> turned out to be a witch-bitch that thing
May 11 16:08:18 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: sure. rescue-initrd is a ueber-minimalistic meego booted directly by flasher
May 11 16:08:30 <DocScrutinizer> load to ram, then start
May 11 16:08:50 <chem|st> yeah but without being able to flash ...
May 11 16:09:03 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 11 16:09:05 <chem|st> if able to flash you can do anything
May 11 16:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> still need working flasher
May 11 16:09:25 <chem|st> try to install hurd for example^^
May 11 16:09:45 <chem|st> ~hurd
May 11 16:09:45 <infobot> i guess hurd is The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ It stands for HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar kernels (such as Linux).
May 11 16:09:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
May 11 16:09:47 <infobot> from memory, xyawn is strong coffee
May 11 16:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430   ☕
May 11 16:10:29 <chem|st> when do we get rid of xserver btw
May 11 16:10:42 <Kilroo1> My next thing to try is the I wonder if this bit about /proc/bus/usb and /dev/bus/usb is relevant to my concerns.
May 11 16:10:45 <DocScrutinizer> EH?
May 11 16:10:57 <Kilroo1> Also, stopping one sentence in the middle and starting a new one instead.
May 11 16:11:46 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1: I think it's obsolete
May 11 16:12:31 <Kilroo1> DocScrutinizer: That's discouraging, as everything I'm trying to accomplish more or less relies on accurate wikis.
May 11 16:13:08 <DocScrutinizer> if your falsher can detect device (no more "no device found, waiting...") then you evidently don't suffer from /proc vs /dev issue
May 11 16:13:29 <DocScrutinizer> my 2 cents
May 11 16:13:34 <Kilroo1> Well phooey.
May 11 16:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> we had that "can't enumerate" issue frequently lately here
May 11 16:14:39 <Kilroo1> In that case as soon as I get the phone to sit quietly and charge without attempting to boot, I think I'll go back in the guest room and finish trying to get the flasher ready to go on Windows, since neither Arch machine will enumerate things.
May 11 16:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> seems related to distro on PC
May 11 16:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> check the lsmod related hints on ~flashing
May 11 16:15:54 <DocScrutinizer> also check for 32bit distro
May 11 16:16:21 <Kilroo1> that was why I tried the laptop
May 11 16:16:55 <DocScrutinizer> check cable, as that's also a source for "can't enumerate", and also make sure you don't have internal hubs as chem|st mentioned
May 11 16:17:20 <Kilroo1> laptop only has two usb ports
May 11 16:17:43 <Kilroo1> all desktop usb ports except the usb 3.0 ones connect to the motherboard the same way.
May 11 16:18:03 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 11 16:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> there's been some advice about "rmmod ohci" or sth along that line
May 11 16:19:04 <DocScrutinizer> I'll see if I can find the link, after I prepared some coffee to save me from falling asleep
May 11 16:19:17 <Kilroo1> Phone looks really funny when I boot with the microsd in, by the way.
May 11 16:19:32 <chem|st> Kilroo1: funny?
May 11 16:20:07 <Kilroo1> Black desktop, hot pink notification area, lots of widgets seem to be present but only as blank squares.
May 11 16:20:28 <chem|st> so you try to boot it again?
May 11 16:20:59 <Kilroo1> Had to boot it up and turn it off again to get it to stop trying to reboot while charging.
May 11 16:21:24 <chem|st> ?
May 11 16:21:49 <chem|st> in off state.... charge till green
May 11 16:21:58 <Kilroo1> Exactly.
May 11 16:21:59 <DocScrutinizer> YES
May 11 16:22:03 <chem|st> why was it rebooting in this state
May 11 16:22:20 <Kilroo1> Plug in the charger, phone tried to boot.
May 11 16:22:36 <DocScrutinizer> bugger
May 11 16:22:38 <Kilroo1> Now it's behaving.
May 11 16:22:40 <chem|st> it should go into a charging state after a while
May 11 16:22:45 <chem|st> ah ok
May 11 16:23:09 <chem|st> light dimming orange?
May 11 16:23:34 <Kilroo1> uh
May 11 16:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> if you're lucky you can ssh login via wlan while phone is charging
May 11 16:23:54 <Kilroo1> the usual slow orange pulse for "I'm charging now" yes.
May 11 16:24:00 <chem|st> ok
May 11 16:24:07 <DocScrutinizer> keep that til green
May 11 16:24:18 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: that needs some R&D mod doens't it
May 11 16:25:17 <chem|st> ok I am off bb
May 11 16:26:16 <Kilroo1> In theory all I should need to do is get to a point where I can un-comment the lines in genfstab.awk and get rid of the ones in rcS-late
May 11 16:26:33 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: that usually needs some tweaks to mce.ini
May 11 16:27:02 <Kilroo1> Then I can step back and try to figure out either (a) what the hell I did wrong or (b) what part of the instructions I was following are bogus
May 11 16:27:25 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1: setting flasher R&D mode and that --no-restart-whatever=on flag should help
May 11 16:27:26 <Kilroo1> Or possibly (c) that my sd card is worthless
May 11 16:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> anyway good luck, and keep your bat charged ;-)
May 11 16:29:26 <Kilroo1> DocScrutinizer: I appreciate the suggestion but I have no idea what that last bit means. And thanks. I guess I'll try the rescue again once I get a green light.
May 11 16:29:32 <DocScrutinizer> please come back to receive further help when bat is charged
May 11 16:30:15 <cityLights> what did I miss
May 11 16:30:17 <cityLights> ?
May 11 16:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.4.5.3_beta> ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags
May 11 16:33:06 <DocScrutinizer> flasher v2.4.5 (Jun 25 2009)
May 11 16:33:17 <DocScrutinizer>   no-lifeguard-reset
May 11 16:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> also
May 11 16:36:45 <DocScrutinizer> less man/man1/flasher-3.5.1
May 11 16:36:52 <DocScrutinizer> less doc/*
May 11 16:41:33 <GAN900> I think Google's ever-increasing reliance on JS violates their "Do no evil"
May 11 16:43:25 <DocScrutinizer51>  100% agree, except their "do no evil" always been PR babbling
May 11 16:43:29 <cehteh> bah i have still 7.35€ on my skype account .. from the 10€ i send there 1.5 years ago
May 11 16:44:04 <DocScrutinizer51> cehteh: skype :-o TZTZTZ
May 11 16:44:07 <cehteh> http://www.itler.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/skynet-by-itler-net_thumb.gif  btw
May 11 16:44:29 <cehteh> DocScrutinizer: needed it for foreign landline calls and my 'father in law' has only skype
May 11 16:44:40 <cehteh> now i drain and cancel it asap
May 11 16:45:49 <DocScrutinizer51> 4h online and moving (constant BTS handover). 6 IRC chan: 25% of bat eaten
May 11 16:46:55 <e-yes> hi there. is tmo down?
May 11 16:54:35 <jacekowski> 8h online in one place with bad signal and 100% battery eaten
May 11 17:15:07 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, vulnerability in facebook's apps, since 4 years
May 11 17:15:33 <merlin1991> Let's find some in Mohammadags ;)
May 11 18:34:29 <smqzbq> hello, i am newbie to n900 an i have funny question, how to record video? in photo application i cant change to video recording, only photos, there is no such option as video recording
May 11 18:35:33 <andre__> smqzbq: the icon on the right directly under the X on top - click it
May 11 18:35:44 <andre__> (in the camera application)
May 11 18:35:50 <andre__> there you can choose video mode
May 11 18:37:04 <smqzbq> andre__:  you saved my day thank you
May 11 18:37:16 <smqzbq> :)
May 11 18:37:45 <andre__> no problem
May 11 18:43:51 <c2pLaY> im running maemo sdk in virtual box (win7)
May 11 18:44:02 <c2pLaY> should i be using vmware?
May 11 18:44:09 <c2pLaY> which is preferred?
May 11 18:44:35 <c2pLaY> and or
May 11 18:45:02 <c2pLaY> would it make things easier if i was running linux as host
May 11 18:45:22 <c2pLaY> all the configuration seems like a real bitch :(
May 11 18:47:34 <Venemo> c2pLaY, well, it should work equally as well
May 11 18:47:51 <c2pLaY> ok
May 11 18:48:05 <c2pLaY> it is virtual enviroment
May 11 18:48:10 <c2pLaY> so linux/win
May 11 18:48:12 <c2pLaY> doesn't matter
May 11 18:48:14 <Venemo> mhm
May 11 18:48:37 <Venemo> if you are having trouble, just ask about it on this channel
May 11 18:48:39 <c2pLaY> but documentation
May 11 18:49:12 <c2pLaY> there seems to be more instructions in referrence to vmware
May 11 18:49:19 <Venemo> mhm
May 11 18:49:26 <c2pLaY> and im just wondering if a switch might make my life easier
May 11 18:49:30 <c2pLaY> im not a programmer
May 11 18:49:34 <Venemo> well I just installed it on my Linux with the installer and that's it.
May 11 18:49:38 <c2pLaY> i don't know what the hell scratchbox is
May 11 18:49:45 <c2pLaY> you know what i mean :)
May 11 18:49:56 <Venemo> if you're not a programmer, then why do you want the sdk?
May 11 18:50:13 <c2pLaY> just want to learn
May 11 18:50:22 <Venemo> so you _want_ to be a programmer?
May 11 18:50:24 <c2pLaY> im not a programmer yet*
May 11 18:50:27 <c2pLaY> :)
May 11 18:50:31 <c2pLaY> who knows right
May 11 18:50:40 <Venemo> Scratchbox is a cross-compiling environment
May 11 18:51:58 <c2pLaY> k gonna go make some coffee
May 11 18:52:01 <c2pLaY> just woke up
May 11 18:52:13 <c2pLaY> then im going to come back and harass you :P
May 11 18:52:19 <Venemo> hehe
May 11 18:52:33 <Venemo> if I'm around, I'll try to answer your questions
May 11 18:55:49 <Sc0rpius> I need coffee
May 11 19:09:33 <piggz> i think what space invaders needs is an online score table....so now to implement the uploading code, followed by the web service
May 11 19:09:57 <mc_teo> the implementation is trivial, securing it is hard
May 11 19:10:08 <Sc0rpius> http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html <--- now this is funny (customer service conversation via mail)
May 11 19:10:38 <piggz> mc_teo: yeah, i think some hashing will definitely be needed....tho it wont be impossible to break
May 11 19:11:30 <mikhas> so hm, maemo packaging ... do people still use the maemo build service and just stuff things into extra-devel?
May 11 19:12:57 <mc_teo> piggz: like it could be as simple as a GET call to a CGI script
May 11 19:13:05 <mc_teo> which saves it to a db
May 11 19:13:07 <mc_teo> simple
May 11 19:13:14 <mc_teo> but very insecure
May 11 19:14:32 <piggz> mc_teo: yeah, some hashing of a shared secret and some other values will help, tho i appreciate it wouldnt stop anyone determined
May 11 19:25:41 <AranelN900> need help: Since my friend's router doesn't have enough ports for eth connection and I dont have a wifi dongle, I have to use N900 as a WiFi dongle to my Windows box. Any advices please?
May 11 19:27:46 <AranelN900> lol anybody cares 'bout that eh ?
May 11 19:28:02 <Sicelo_> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router
May 11 19:28:27 <Sicelo_> patience pays  :D
May 11 19:28:47 <AranelN900> ^^ thank you but It says " This however only works for phone network connections, not wlan connections." ?
May 11 19:30:24 <Sicelo_> i don't have N900 myself, and can't think of anything else to help you
May 11 19:30:40 <ruskie> AranelN900, well what did you expect?
May 11 19:30:57 <Sicelo_> hang on till someone more knowledgeable comes along
May 11 19:31:38 <ruskie> maybe doing something with the gadget drivers could do it... but not sure
May 11 19:32:18 <Sicelo_> AranelN900: you can always use linux live cd on your machine :-/
May 11 19:33:24 <ruskie> can't he unplug the printer or whatever other useless gadget is connected to the router atm???
May 11 19:33:36 <AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? ruskie: I expected to have the ability to share connection (wifi) from my N900 to Win PC
May 11 19:33:37 <ruskie> or just get a switch to use in such cases...
May 11 19:34:01 <ruskie> AranelN900, well most projects are focused on sharing 3g connecting over wifi
May 11 19:34:45 <AranelN900> his router doesnt have any additional ports and its 11PM here, we cant get a switch
May 11 19:35:07 <ruskie> and everything that is currently connected to the router required to be plugged in atm?
May 11 19:35:15 <ruskie> or could something be unplugged for the time you're there
May 11 19:36:56 <AranelN900> it's a 1-port router actually.
May 11 19:37:14 <AranelN900> 1-eth + wifi
May 11 19:37:20 <ruskie> *jaw drops to the floor*
May 11 19:41:59 <Sicelo_> 21:31 < AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change  anything?
May 11 19:42:14 <AranelN900> does it?
May 11 19:42:20 <Sicelo_> of course it does.. acording to that link
May 11 19:42:23 <Sicelo_> :D
May 11 19:42:28 <hagbard> You can use the N900 as a wifi client of sorts.
May 11 19:42:30 <ruskie> you could probably usb network and do some routing
May 11 19:42:43 <hagbard> You may have to use static IP Addressing on either side of the usbnet
May 11 19:42:57 <ruskie> that's already there last I checked
May 11 19:42:59 <hagbard> And I don't know if the n900 supports 802.2 bridges out of the box.
May 11 19:43:00 <ruskie> the usbnet is static
May 11 19:43:07 <ruskie> yeah that's the other thing
May 11 19:43:15 <hagbard> echo 1 > /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward
May 11 19:43:27 <hagbard> Actually, are there iptables for n900?
May 11 19:43:33 <ruskie> iirc there might be
May 11 19:43:43 <hagbard> then it becomes striaghtforward
May 11 19:43:50 <hagbard> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE
May 11 19:43:58 <AranelN900> so if I use Linux, can I use N900 as a wifi dongle and share its network to my PC? how?
May 11 19:44:17 <AranelN900> and why it doesnt work for Windows? :|
May 11 19:44:32 <Sicelo_> you just follow the instructions on the link
May 11 19:45:28 <AranelN900> Sicelo_: does it work for N900 wifi to Windows box?
May 11 19:45:54 <AranelN900> It says it's only for phone network conn. (3g?) not wlan connections :|
May 11 19:46:38 <ruskie> hmm I thought windows had usb gadget drivers as well
May 11 19:46:52 <ruskie> AranelN900, just depends what you route
May 11 19:48:20 <AranelN900> ruskie: what do you mean by what I route? I want to route Internet connection
May 11 19:50:32 <ruskie> basically what hagbard posted should work
May 11 19:50:49 <ruskie> can't really help much since it's been years since I used a linux computer for routing...
May 11 19:51:52 <Sicelo_> i still think AranelN900 should read.. even what hagbard posted is on that page
May 11 19:52:18 <Sicelo_> AranelN900: it will work under linux.. but won't work with windows
May 11 19:52:29 <ruskie> Sicelo_, why not?
May 11 19:52:51 <Sicelo_> idk ruskie :-S
May 11 19:52:57 <hagbard> I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work for windows.
May 11 19:52:59 <ruskie> there is a windows usbnet driver in the linux tree
May 11 19:53:00 <AranelN900> Sicelo_: :| cant I make it work on windows too? We want to game on same network and you know.. linux and games dont get along well.
May 11 19:53:17 <ruskie> just need to install the usbnet driver
May 11 19:53:24 <hagbard> AranelN900: You don't have any spare ethernet cards lying around?
May 11 19:53:27 <Sicelo_> i'm just referring him to a resource from somebody more knowledgeable than me
May 11 19:53:34 <hagbard> Does your linux machine, by chance, have more than one ethernet port?
May 11 19:54:26 <hagbard> I mean, Sicelo_ is right, the real solution here is for your to read and learn more about what you're trying to do.
May 11 19:54:29 <AranelN900> its the same machine actually. dual boot.
May 11 19:54:51 <hagbard> Still, does it have more than one NIC and/or can you put a second one in there?
May 11 19:55:17 <hagbard> Both linux and windows have the capability for joining ethernet ports together as, essentially, a software switch.
May 11 19:55:33 <hagbard> Do both machines have firewire and do you have a firewire cable?
May 11 19:58:10 <Sicelo_> now i remember.. for windows.. madde is reqd
May 11 19:58:27 <Sicelo_> AranelN900: check out the 21:31 < AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change  anything?
May 11 19:58:33 <Sicelo_> yay
May 11 19:59:09 <AranelN900> okay then I'm going to try N900 usb router wiki page and come back with results. thank you =)
May 11 20:01:29 <Sicelo_> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking.html#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows
May 11 20:01:34 <Sicelo_> he's gone
May 11 20:01:35 <Sicelo_> :)
May 11 20:02:18 <Sicelo_> my network connection sucks tonight :(
May 11 20:03:39 <ZogG> to just use Linux, Luke
May 11 20:04:03 <ZogG> ruskie, hey
May 11 20:04:03 <ZogG> ruskie, i hope i get my N900 back next week =)
May 11 20:04:05 <ZogG> how is xmms2 package? is it in repo ?
May 11 20:04:32 <phap> hi
May 11 20:05:12 <Sicelo_> hi phap
May 11 20:05:59 <phap> any great news I'm bored :-)
May 11 20:06:01 <phap> ?
May 11 20:06:27 <ZogG> nope
May 11 20:06:27 <ZogG> everything is still same shit
May 11 20:06:40 <genewitch> i'm working on a crossdev toolchain AWS AMI for maemo :-)
May 11 20:06:43 <phap> lol ok
May 11 20:07:05 <genewitch> as well as one for freebsd, unrelated.
May 11 20:07:43 <phap> that's great genewitch too bad I can't understand what that means
May 11 20:07:50 * RST38h yawns happily: work done for today
May 11 20:08:07 <phap> but that's sounds cool
May 11 20:09:15 <genewitch> phap: prebuilt environment for compiling software for the n8x0 and n900, that anyone can use rather than having to set up the build environment on their computer
May 11 20:10:00 <RST38h> genewitch: you will now have to explain what "compiling", "build", and "environment are
May 11 20:10:18 <phap> lol
May 11 20:10:22 <phap> no no
May 11 20:10:28 <phap> I understand now
May 11 20:10:35 <genewitch> heh
May 11 20:10:55 <phap> (almost)
May 11 20:11:45 <genewitch> i don't know if it will work properly but it's almost dones4as32
May 11 20:11:58 <genewitch> whoops, terminal error
May 11 20:12:00 <genewitch> sorry.
May 11 20:12:12 <phap> I can't help you really but I wish you the best
May 11 20:22:16 <kerio> HOLY FUCK NOKIA N9
May 11 20:23:16 <MohammadAG> indeed
May 11 20:23:16 <MohammadAG> the RM-680 surprised me
May 11 20:23:31 <MohammadAG> now all we need is an explanation as to what the RM-690 and RM-696 are
May 11 20:24:21 <lemmng> hi
May 11 20:27:54 <ZogG> MohammadAG have you got my PM on TMO?
May 11 20:28:17 <MohammadAG> ZogG, I don't read PMs, sec
May 11 20:28:33 <ZogG> MohammadAG i think i got orange API
May 11 20:29:52 <mikhas> hm nice, Fremantle's build service is reeeeeally fast these days
May 11 20:29:58 <mikhas> I guess no one is using it :-)
May 11 20:30:20 <MohammadAG> interesting ZogG
May 11 20:31:22 <ZogG> MohammadAG did you check the url?
May 11 20:32:02 <MohammadAG> ZogG, yes
May 11 20:32:12 <MohammadAG> booting up the N900
May 11 20:32:59 <lemmng> can someone fix the picture-script of the VB regsecure which is broken on registration at talk.maemo.org?
May 11 20:33:13 <ZogG> MohammadAG, would you mind to look into it? i probably would too when i get back N900
May 11 20:33:24 <ZogG> MohammadAG, btw nice thing sociality =)
May 11 20:34:54 <DocScrutinizer> mikhas: it starts at xx:05 and xx:35
May 11 20:35:07 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
May 11 20:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> WUT???? N9?
May 11 20:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> where?
May 11 20:36:29 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: ^^^^
May 11 20:36:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: ^^
May 11 20:36:53 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/05/11/nokias-n9-meego-smartphone-hits-the-fcc/
May 11 20:37:02 <kerio> i really hope meego is going to run it
May 11 20:38:50 <wam> lol
May 11 20:38:54 <wam> that'll be windows only
May 11 20:39:02 <ZogG> if it is n9 so it's for meego
May 11 20:39:37 <ZogG> but i hope meego is not other one step ladder with no future
May 11 20:39:38 <wam> nokia doesn't release linux based phones anymore.
May 11 20:39:47 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 11 20:39:50 <wam> nokia also has cancelled all support for the linux dists
May 11 20:40:30 <andre__> wam: who says so?
May 11 20:40:34 <wam> nokia?
May 11 20:40:39 <andre__> wam: quote?
May 11 20:40:47 <wam> damn fuck - don't you read news?
May 11 20:40:50 <wam> march 2011
May 11 20:40:53 <andre__> wam: damn fuck, trolling FUD is a bit boring
May 11 20:40:55 <wam> it's 2 months now
May 11 20:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: X-Fade: do you think I'd qualify for a unpaid prerelease test of N9? (hw and all, if Nokia cares to send [NDA'd] schematics)
May 11 20:41:27 <wam> andre__: learn german and read: http://www.netbooknews.de/34014/nokia-setzt-auf-windows-phone-und-gibt-symbian-und-meego-auf/
May 11 20:41:37 <wam> andre__: I don't do your homework
May 11 20:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's not yet too late for some last minute hw bugfixes
May 11 20:41:52 <andre__> wam: You're impressively arrogant.
May 11 20:42:04 <wam> andre__: I just know what I'm talking about.
May 11 20:42:30 <andre__> plus I'd rather refer to heise.de if I want reliable sources. It's the interwebs, you know... I can edit it.
May 11 20:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 11 20:43:14 <wam> andre__: just use google or whatever you need for your homework.
May 11 20:43:19 <kerio> i heard that nokia is moving to palm os
May 11 20:43:25 <wam> oh boy
May 11 20:43:27 <kerio> i have an article, but it's in latin
May 11 20:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> wam, andre__ is a Nokia employee and for sure doesn't need to do homework
May 11 20:43:48 <wam> I don't care.
May 11 20:44:11 <MohammadAG> kerio, I heard they're going back to making gameboys
May 11 20:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> I don't like your way to talk
May 11 20:44:15 <andre__> (for the records: not an employee, but I spend my paid time for them.)
May 11 20:44:23 <wam> DocScrutinizer: you don't have to
May 11 20:44:29 <kerio> yeah, some random 3-months-old article on a random website is clearly more accurate and informed than a nokia contractor
May 11 20:44:32 <Sicelo_> :O
May 11 20:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> wam: now you're wrong, actually I have to
May 11 20:46:09 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, not a question for me. :P
May 11 20:46:18 <ZogG> i smell kicks and bans
May 11 20:46:25 <ZogG> oh F action
May 11 20:46:27 <DocScrutinizer> indeed ZogG
May 11 20:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> much temped
May 11 20:46:36 <MohammadAG> I want glines
May 11 20:46:38 <ZogG> wan't here for a little bit and all the time i get there is action =)
May 11 20:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> tempted even
May 11 20:46:42 <kerio> andre__: will it run meego? please confirm it :< i don't want it to run wp7
May 11 20:46:46 <MohammadAG> kicks are overrated
May 11 20:46:53 <ZogG> i want netsplits
May 11 20:46:54 <ZogG> netsplits are sexy
May 11 20:46:59 <kerio> MohammadAG: ISP bans are the only thing that will save us
May 11 20:47:11 <ZogG> when he would be alone in room =)
May 11 20:47:30 <MohammadAG> kerio, it'll run MeeGo ultimate edition
May 11 20:47:52 <GAN900> kerio, if it's N9, no.
May 11 20:48:02 <kerio> MohammadAG: D:
May 11 20:48:03 <ShadowJK> i thought it's be Win7mobile millennium+dozen edition
May 11 20:48:04 <GAN900> MeeGo has been relegated back to 3-digit.
May 11 20:48:12 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: yep, I understand that. But I guess you know a bit about who's right adressee for that question
May 11 20:48:23 <MohammadAG> it's an RM-680
May 11 20:48:31 <kerio> MohammadAG: yay
May 11 20:48:32 <ZogG> GAN900 so call it n9-00 =)
May 11 20:48:58 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, Quim, probably. But I suspect you and I both know what the answer is going to be. ;)
May 11 20:49:06 <ZogG> haha
May 11 20:49:08 <MohammadAG> which is something I see in MeeGo's sources
May 11 20:49:13 <ZogG> Quim lol
May 11 20:49:16 <kerio> MohammadAG: you bring joy!
May 11 20:49:19 <kerio> you joy-bringer!
May 11 20:49:20 <kerio> ^_^
May 11 20:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, too bad a notion for Nokia
May 11 20:49:38 <SpeedEvil> Have any new patches popped up fo rht ekernel on any trees/lists - that would indicarte features of new device?
May 11 20:49:40 <GAN900> MohammadAG, OMG!!! you're going to end open source at Nokia! stop reading public source code!!!!
May 11 20:49:41 <DocScrutinizer> they can't grab opportunities when they jump in their face
May 11 20:49:42 <ZogG> he can right you an article for 20 pages and there would be no usefull info there
May 11 20:49:55 <ZogG> it's called lawyered =)
May 11 20:49:55 <GAN900> So, Engadget did the model name extrapolation?
May 11 20:50:00 <kerio> he can "right" you an article?
May 11 20:50:13 <GAN900> Wonder if there'll be a MeeGoConfSF announcement.
May 11 20:50:28 <MohammadAG> FCC docs are private till 24/6
May 11 20:50:41 <ZogG> kerio write
May 11 20:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> I don't gibe a F* F* about FCC
May 11 20:50:52 <MohammadAG> so unless MeeGo conf was postponed a month...
May 11 20:51:28 <DocScrutinizer> I want Nokia to send me a NDA to sign, then send me a PV device plus schematics
May 11 20:51:39 <SpeedEvil> ""
May 11 20:51:44 * SpeedEvil has doubts though.
May 11 20:51:45 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: then you scan the schematics and post them online anonymously
May 11 20:52:00 <SpeedEvil> Breaking NDAs is generally not fun or clever.
May 11 20:52:12 <kerio> you guys are boring :(
May 11 20:52:23 <DocScrutinizer> and I emphasize it's a big favour I'd do Nokia for free, as I'm basically not interested in a device with c-ts
May 11 20:52:43 <kerio> cats? cots?
May 11 20:52:45 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i want to get n9 for free as well )
May 11 20:52:47 <ShadowJK> what about a device without a keyboard? :-)
May 11 20:53:02 <kerio> wait, i thought the n9 had a physical keyboard
May 11 20:53:11 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: you fool, I'll send them the broken rocks after I finished
May 11 20:53:12 <ZogG> kerio, noone knows for sure
May 11 20:53:16 <MohammadAG> the RM-680 does
May 11 20:53:35 <DocScrutinizer> plus a summary about what they have done wrong
May 11 20:53:40 <ZogG> MohammadAG would it be out and is it final and how do you know it just from code?
May 11 20:53:45 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, the N950 can break rocks?
May 11 20:53:55 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer they done everything wrong i can say without n9
May 11 20:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I can break rocking N9
May 11 20:54:08 <ShadowJK> even with keyboard... c-ts has so much potential to suck, considering it took 5 years to make r-ts not suck...
May 11 20:54:11 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, win7 decision is wrong =)
May 11 20:54:19 <MohammadAG> ZogG, no, I secretly work for Nokia and I broke two NDAs
May 11 20:54:20 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: stfu
May 11 20:54:21 <ZogG> MohammadAG can it make me a coffee?
May 11 20:54:46 <ZogG> MohammadAG haha, you make bombs from them =)
May 11 20:54:53 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, =(
May 11 20:55:06 <MohammadAG> ZogG, decaf, PR1.2 will have other variations
May 11 20:55:16 <ZogG> MohammadAG when do you go to Jordan? i need new laptop
May 11 20:55:25 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: actually I'd stand for you getting same as well, as you and probably jacekowski and ShadowJK are the only other community menbers I'd say are worth it
May 11 20:55:30 <ZogG> MohammadAG mine is too slow for gnome3 =))))
May 11 20:55:44 <ZogG> MohammadAG wow is pr1.2 out?
May 11 20:56:08 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer what about texrat =)
May 11 20:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 11 20:56:19 <ZogG> he is also Nokia favorite =)
May 11 20:56:21 <nox-> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13364121
May 11 20:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> but I guess he would flush it down the toilet
May 11 20:56:32 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer but i don't liek him =(
May 11 20:56:36 <ShadowJK> gnome is kind of fantastic, how can it be slow on anything, when they removed all features
May 11 20:57:23 <ZogG> ShadowJK gnme3 is bitty slow and it's really bad step for them
May 11 20:57:33 <ZogG> why everyone want to decide what is cool and good for me&
May 11 20:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: you know the dudes, would you send a 3-liner mail with me in CC?
May 11 20:57:46 <RST38h> Shadowjk: tracker? =)
May 11 20:57:50 * ShadowJK bought a second N900 out of fear and uncertainty about any new usable phones for 5-10 years or so
May 11 20:57:57 <MohammadAG> ZogG, not anytime soon, need to do the psychometric exam in July
May 11 20:58:03 <ZogG> i like old linux when it wa about getting machine from parts and use what i want and how i want
May 11 20:58:13 <ZogG> today it looks fansy with 2 options  =(
May 11 20:58:21 <ShadowJK> and N900 hw doesn't seem to last long :/
May 11 20:58:23 <ZogG> MohammadAG you gonna study here?
May 11 20:58:38 <MohammadAG> ZogG, Technion
May 11 20:59:03 <ZogG> ShadowJK n900 is nice, but hw is too slow today =(
May 11 20:59:13 <DocScrutinizer> BS
May 11 20:59:20 <MohammadAG> ZogG, no, PR1.2 will be out soon after the N950's release
May 11 20:59:27 <MohammadAG> the N950's going to be released soon
May 11 20:59:31 <MohammadAG> (TM)
May 11 20:59:47 <RST38h> Mohammad: definitely decided on technion?
May 11 20:59:51 <andre__> kerio, you think that a contractor will happily answer stuff like that, by breaking an NDA? :-P
May 11 20:59:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen qgil
May 11 21:00:02 <infobot> qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 21m 24s ago, saying: 'hi there alterego'.
May 11 21:00:05 <MohammadAG> the N900's not that slow
May 11 21:00:09 <MohammadAG> RST38h, yeah
May 11 21:00:20 <thresh> of course it's slow
May 11 21:00:26 <thresh> it cant play my 720p :P
May 11 21:00:31 <MohammadAG> it can
May 11 21:00:41 <RST38h> it can, but avoid h264
May 11 21:00:49 <MohammadAG> get the latest TI kernel patches, and the latest codecs
May 11 21:00:51 * ShadowJK saw some dude on tmo claimed to be doing it
May 11 21:00:51 <thresh> the the important word is "my" :P
May 11 21:00:52 <RST38h> faulty decoder
May 11 21:01:05 <thresh> nah, the bitrate is too high to be handled by A8.
May 11 21:01:11 <RST38h> ah
May 11 21:01:47 <ShadowJK> You wouldn't want to try decode it with A8
May 11 21:01:47 <thresh> and you know one cant avoid H264 nowadays
May 11 21:01:54 <MohammadAG> NDAs should be NDA'd tbh
May 11 21:01:58 <ShadowJK> you want the TI stuff that does it on IVA2
May 11 21:02:10 <MohammadAG> that way you can't say you're under an NDA
May 11 21:02:29 <thresh> ShadowJK: hey I don't want to bring my laptop with me on vacations
May 11 21:02:34 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: they quite usually are
May 11 21:02:56 <ShadowJK> thresh, and I dont want waffles for breakfast?
May 11 21:03:01 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, so the NDA is under another NDA?
May 11 21:03:07 * MohammadAG plays inception sountrack
May 11 21:03:11 <MohammadAG> sound*
May 11 21:03:19 * SpeedEvil plays Tron soundtrack.
May 11 21:03:22 <DocScrutinizer> no, the NDA sometimes is self-NDAing
May 11 21:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> not for the fact of its existence, but for all of the content
May 11 21:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: ?`
May 11 21:04:38 <ZogG> MohammadAG i mean n900 pr1.2
May 11 21:04:49 <ZogG> MohammadAG techion is good thing
May 11 21:05:16 <ZogG> MohammadAG though for computer science jerusalem one is better
May 11 21:06:07 <DocScrutinizer> I've built up an unsatisfied desire to kick
May 11 21:06:24 <ZogG> RST38h, http://4pda.ru/2011/05/07/41666/
May 11 21:06:36 <ZogG> rusian tablet with meego/windows
May 11 21:06:51 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer kick me
May 11 21:07:06 <ZogG> i always here for you buddy
May 11 21:07:08 <RST38h> ZogG: Another rebranded chinese product
May 11 21:07:34 <ZogG> everything is Chinese
May 11 21:07:44 <RST38h> ZogG: software probably copied from wetab
May 11 21:07:48 <ZogG> the important thing that your children are not =)
May 11 21:08:02 <ZogG> RST38h i dunno
May 11 21:08:36 <ZogG> damn they have one with 160-750 gb =)
May 11 21:08:39 <RST38h> ZogG: From people claiming this to be a "Russian" product, I would expect a bit more than a bright box and a user's manual in Russian
May 11 21:09:02 <ZogG> there are no russians products anymore you know
May 11 21:09:06 <RST38h> ZogG: Stuff like mechanical and electrical design, nice software, etc
May 11 21:09:09 <ZogG> the last ones were soviet
May 11 21:09:18 <RST38h> ZogG: There are some.
May 11 21:09:29 <RST38h> ZogG: Not this particular gadget though.
May 11 21:09:32 <ZogG> RST38h coz smart people from russia are too smart to work for russia
May 11 21:09:42 <ZogG> RST38h like what?
May 11 21:09:45 <ZogG> maybe few ebooks
May 11 21:11:30 <ZogG> ok i'll g to sleep i think
May 11 21:13:09 <RST38h> Aha, people in the comments report that this is a product from Onkyo
May 11 21:13:47 <ZogG> =0
May 11 21:14:18 <ZogG> gonna go to sleep
May 11 21:14:21 <ZogG> night kidos
May 11 21:16:26 <DocScrutinizer> Onkyo? cooooool
May 11 21:16:33 <DocScrutinizer> whatever it is
May 11 21:19:06 <nox-> onkyo was known for hifi gear at least once...
May 11 21:19:24 <Creteil> Someone here running v47 kernel power from pali with Backported bq27x00_battery module (battery status) ?
May 11 21:19:46 * piggz has onkyo av receiver + speakers (watching matrix reloaded with it now!)
May 11 21:19:58 <DocScrutinizer> I had an Onkyo amp that's been arguably the best amp I ever seen
May 11 21:20:12 <nox-> heh
May 11 21:20:29 <RST38h> <sleep>
May 11 21:21:04 <DocScrutinizer> (back in 1985)
May 11 21:22:18 <Creteil> allo ? no one running v47 kernel power from pali here ?
May 11 21:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> from pali??
May 11 21:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: ^^^
May 11 21:22:52 <SpeedEvil>  Creteil: Why do you care about battery module - there are userspace ways to get the battery status.
May 11 21:22:56 <DocScrutinizer> what'S status with PK?
May 11 21:23:36 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879
May 11 21:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> Creteil: bq27x00.ko is known to fsck bme
May 11 21:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> always been like that
May 11 21:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> so basically you don't want to `modprobe bq27x00`
May 11 21:24:38 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer, what do you mean by 'fsck' ?
May 11 21:24:48 <ShadowJK> mess up
May 11 21:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> =break
May 11 21:24:59 <DocScrutinizer> cause to segfault
May 11 21:25:31 <BCMM> Creteil: in addition to "file system check", it is colloquially used as a substitute curse
May 11 21:25:39 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer, can you help me to explain that to pali on the thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71879 ?
May 11 21:25:39 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, v47 in devel
May 11 21:25:46 <MohammadAG> pali's the new maintainer
May 11 21:26:20 <DocScrutinizer> ok, so I have to dance/fsck with some dude named pali now
May 11 21:26:24 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, please help me to explain to pali the patch he made is bad ...
May 11 21:26:53 <DocScrutinizer> I'd like to, dunno if I'm alert enough today
May 11 21:26:56 * DocScrutinizer yawns
May 11 21:27:06 <MohammadAG> umm, if its not loaded by default nothing bad should happen
May 11 21:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> lemme look at that friggin tmo thread
May 11 21:27:23 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, read my post here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1004473&postcount=533 and say me if I am mad or not please :-)
May 11 21:27:25 <MohammadAG> if not, /me gets the torches
May 11 21:27:30 <DocScrutinizer> what's been the patch pali made?
May 11 21:28:01 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer, yes
May 11 21:29:56 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, just cut out the middle man. :p
May 11 21:29:58 <ShadowJK> I see I should still forget about cssu and related projects :)
May 11 21:30:55 * piggz needs a pen and paper to scribble down which fields are being hashed, which arnt, and which will be hashed together, before my head explodes
May 11 21:31:31 <BCMM> piggz: pen... and paper?
May 11 21:31:43 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/11/nokia-n9-hits-the-fcc-packs-more-bands-than-a-rubber-tree/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+engadget%2FOzKy+%28Engadget%29&utm_content=Twitter
May 11 21:31:45 <BCMM> i do not think i have carried these things since getting an n900
May 11 21:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: tried, no Nokians on #meego
May 11 21:31:56 <piggz> BCMM: heh
May 11 21:31:58 <BCMM> then again, my handwriting doesn't really work right
May 11 21:32:07 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, email council.
May 11 21:32:20 <MohammadAG> ZogG, API works, not that much info is returned
May 11 21:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: though yes isn't quite an answer, I still think this patch looks kinda fishy, though maybe *could* work
May 11 21:32:52 <BCMM> piggz: i am literally writing an application to handle my shopping lists, because i lose shopping lists that cannot be made to ring
May 11 21:33:11 <ShadowJK> Looks like they ignore the issue of uncalibrated fuel gauge by reporting the uncalibrated values wihtout attempt to fix..
May 11 21:33:15 <DocScrutinizer> but as mentioned the bq27x00.ko module is broken by design (nah, bme is broken by design)
May 11 21:33:20 <BCMM> this evening, i'm going to find out how to get things into -devel
May 11 21:33:26 <ShadowJK> ah well
May 11 21:33:33 <piggz> BCMM: its quite easy
May 11 21:34:00 <BCMM> i beg to differ.
May 11 21:34:13 <BCMM> being able to package a .deb is a prerequisite, right?
May 11 21:34:24 <BCMM> done that, and it was confusing.
May 11 21:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: ok
May 11 21:34:48 <piggz> BCMM: well, yes....i guess that took my a little while, but im used ot it now...are you using qmake?
May 11 21:35:44 <BCMM> piggz: yeah
May 11 21:36:04 <BCMM> it's ok, i've got the packaging bit working now, i think
May 11 21:36:25 <BCMM> still not quite sure what the "workflow" should be
May 11 21:36:54 <BCMM> especially for just doing a quick build without packaging so i can have a binary to quickly test
May 11 21:37:32 <BCMM> debian/rules build often, but not always, says "make: Nothing to be done for `build'.", when i have actually made changes to the sources
May 11 21:37:33 <piggz> i just do all my testing on the desktop.....for quick and dirty packages i use the remote compiler
May 11 21:37:37 <SpeedEvil> I suppose suggesting fcc on phone is sully.
May 11 21:37:40 <SpeedEvil> gcc
May 11 21:37:50 <Creteil> DAMN !!!
May 11 21:37:54 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: g++, and qt headers
May 11 21:38:02 <Creteil> Now my battery is fully charged
May 11 21:38:12 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: also, i've got a lovely workflow for doing it outside of the debian file structure
May 11 21:38:18 <Creteil> lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_bq27200_0 | grep battery.charge_level.percentage && lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/bme | grep battery.charge_level.percentage
May 11 21:38:20 <Creteil>   battery.charge_level.percentage = 100  (0x64)  (int)
May 11 21:38:21 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
May 11 21:38:22 <Creteil>   battery.charge_level.percentage = 97  (0x61)  (int)
May 11 21:38:53 <Creteil> Where I can blacklist this f*****g driver ?
May 11 21:38:57 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: got Kate set up to "make && scp binary user@n900:/dev/shm && etc., etc."
May 11 21:39:03 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 11 21:39:23 <BCMM> also got ssh connection sharing turned on, so i just keep an ssh connection open and it's practically instant
May 11 21:39:50 <BCMM> basically, i hit alt-x and a couple of seconds later the app starts on the device
May 11 21:39:58 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone else seen randomly sidconnecting from cell network, and SIM connection errors?
May 11 21:40:10 <BCMM> but i can't make that work inside the packaging system because i end up having to uselessly make clean all the time
May 11 21:40:14 <BCMM> so it takes ages
May 11 21:40:38 <BCMM> piggz: sadly, i make too much use of rotation to really test on desktop
May 11 21:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> Creteil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1004498#post1004498 HTH
May 11 21:41:01 <MohammadAG> can someone post https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line491 somewhere and shut OS speculation people up? kthxbai
May 11 21:41:11 <BCMM> that, and keyboard slide events
May 11 21:42:58 <BCMM> s/i /it /
May 11 21:43:34 <piggz> now to brush up on my php for the service part....i'd better check whats on my server too, and its probably due and apt-get update
May 11 21:43:53 <Creteil> ok problem solved with :
May 11 21:43:54 <Creteil> echo "blacklist bq27x00_battery" >>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
May 11 21:44:10 <Creteil> and rebooting ...
May 11 21:44:40 <MohammadAG> hehe, 1337 sociality users
May 11 21:45:20 <piggz> MohammadAG: it made my day today when i checked the download stats for space invaders and it was ~ 30000
May 11 21:46:00 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, randomly disconnecting from cell network, and crossed out sim? Check dmesg. The modem is crashing. It only got better after third trip or so to Nokia care when they replaced the device entirely.
May 11 21:46:09 <MohammadAG> piggz, there's a lot of N900 users around
May 11 21:46:14 <BCMM> anyone able to explain what the build-stamp target in debian/rules is?
May 11 21:46:21 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 11 21:46:24 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure most don't know about tmo
May 11 21:46:37 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, there's a thread on tmo with people randomly flashing and reflashing and padding sim card holder with random crap
May 11 21:46:37 <MohammadAG> BCMM, it creates a stamp file after building
May 11 21:46:43 <piggz> MohammadAG: unfortunately, not one has clicked the 'donate' button!
May 11 21:46:48 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: padding diddn't seem to help
May 11 21:46:52 <piggz> :)
May 11 21:46:58 <BCMM> MohammadAG: what is a stamp file?
May 11 21:46:59 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, yeah because it's not the main issue
May 11 21:47:02 <MohammadAG> I don't bother to include donate buttons :P
May 11 21:47:11 <BCMM> i mean, i guess it's the empty file build-stamp, but what's it for?
May 11 21:47:17 <MohammadAG> BCMM, empty file with a timestamp
May 11 21:47:22 <BCMM> oh, fair enough
May 11 21:47:23 <MohammadAG> time
May 11 21:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> Creteil: ack. Please add this to my post
May 11 21:47:43 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, you can probably reproduce it by: remove backcover, carefully handle device so that battery doesn't fall out, pinch device in different locations, such as battery and h on keyboard
May 11 21:47:52 <ShadowJK> and you'll soon see disconnection from cell network
May 11 21:47:54 <ShadowJK> and crash in dmesg
May 11 21:47:59 <BCMM> MohammadAG: any idea how to convince debian/rules to rebuild modified sources, like a "normal" make would?
May 11 21:48:11 <ShadowJK> there's a small delay between the cellmodem actually crashing/resetting/whatever and the UI noticing, though
May 11 21:48:21 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: At the moment it's putt-up-with-able. I have made a note to get it replaced before warranty.
May 11 21:48:36 <BCMM> or am i doing this all wrong, and should basically just play with symlinks and build test binaries outside the debian packaging file structure?
May 11 21:48:41 <SpeedEvil> 99% of my use is for paypal key.
May 11 21:49:13 <DocScrutinizer> padding SIM is voodoo
May 11 21:49:29 <Creteil> DocScrutinizer, already done, thanks ...
May 11 21:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 11 21:49:39 <MohammadAG> BCMM, -nc?
May 11 21:49:44 <MohammadAG> that means no clean
May 11 21:50:07 <ShadowJK> Probably the only reason padding works is because it accidentally and semi-permanently warps the PCB and/or components into a position where it works
May 11 21:50:23 <BCMM> MohammadAG: as a flag to what?
May 11 21:50:26 <ShadowJK> Well it doesn't work for everyone, and for me the problem became progressively worse over a few months.
May 11 21:50:59 <MohammadAG> fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc -nc
May 11 21:51:03 <MohammadAG> BCMM, ^
May 11 21:52:05 <BCMM> MohammadAG: oh, i just wanted a binary to play with, not a package
May 11 21:52:21 <BCMM> i've been doing debian/rules build, to just build without packaging
May 11 21:52:54 <BCMM> but somehow that usually says there is nothing to be done even if you've changed the sources, and i don't know enough make to know why
May 11 21:53:23 <MohammadAG> BCMM, well, just get it from debian/packagename/pathtobinary
May 11 21:53:43 <MohammadAG> or run debian/rules build-stamp
May 11 21:53:45 <BCMM> MohammadAG: yeah, that's fine. the problem is that it doesn't know when it needs to rebuild
May 11 21:53:51 <MohammadAG> I'm guessing that should work, since rules is just a makefile
May 11 21:54:30 <BCMM> yeah, it should...
May 11 21:54:46 <BCMM> but i can edit the sources, re-run, and get "make: `build-stamp' is up to date."
May 11 21:55:08 <BCMM> i think this is the point where i decide i'm probably abusing debian/rules and need to do test-builds in a different directory with symlinks to the source
May 11 21:55:30 <MohammadAG> BCMM, then try debian/rules build
May 11 21:55:34 <BCMM> same
May 11 21:55:52 <BCMM> well, "make: Nothing to be done for `build'." at any rate
May 11 21:55:58 <BCMM> (even after changing sources)
May 11 21:56:21 <BCMM> only option is to clean and then re-run
May 11 21:58:01 <Kilroo1> This is definitely providing me with some entertainment at my own expense
May 11 21:58:22 <BCMM> Kilroo1: what is?
May 11 21:58:36 <Kilroo1> Got the rescue initrd working by flashing from Windows, made it to the recovery console, which was what I was trying to get.
May 11 21:59:07 <BCMM> huh. i don't understand this.
May 11 21:59:17 <piggz> wooo, i communicated with web service....it didnt do anything, but that is a minor point
May 11 21:59:18 <BCMM> build-stamp does "cd builddir && $(MAKE)"
May 11 21:59:25 <nox-> Kilroo1, you tried flashing from ubuntu and it didnt work?
May 11 21:59:27 <MohammadAG> BCMM, just run make
May 11 21:59:29 <Kilroo1> It was at that point that I found out you can't type normally at the recovery terminal.
May 11 21:59:34 <MohammadAG> when you edit sources, it'll compile what changed
May 11 21:59:35 <BCMM> manually doing "cd builddir && make" rebuilds correctly
May 11 21:59:36 <BCMM> MohammadAG: will do
May 11 21:59:47 <Kilroo1> nox-: no, I tried flashing from Arch and it didn't work.
May 11 21:59:56 <nox-> ah
May 11 22:00:01 <BCMM> i posit that this confusion is caused by make calling another instance of make
May 11 22:00:10 <BCMM> MohammadAG: thanks
May 11 22:00:29 <BCMM> (i know make should do that. i just didn't know that make-calling-make-again didn't :)
May 11 22:02:28 <Kilroo1> I'm probably now going to try to flash from Virtualbox, to save the trouble of going in the other room where my windows machine is (I was doing this on my break at work when I actually got to the terminal). But it was quite frustrating to get to the recovery terminal and then discover the problem with the keymap.
May 11 22:03:58 <Kilroo1> Especially since I am currently still convinced that if I can edit genfstab.awk and rcS-late, I can render my device bootable again.
May 11 22:14:24 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1: ask MohammadAG - he's the magician of recovery-initrd keymap and other annoyances
May 11 22:15:08 <DocScrutinizer> you actually can use recover-initrd, but you have to know quite a number of tricks to do so
May 11 22:15:53 <MohammadAG> indeed
May 11 22:16:03 <DocScrutinizer> I think he uses sth like tab expand
May 11 22:16:04 <MohammadAG> first you need to enable R&D mode
May 11 22:16:10 <MohammadAG> the image doesn't ping the watchdog
May 11 22:16:18 <MohammadAG> second, cd .. till you get to /
May 11 22:16:25 <MohammadAG> then you can use CTRL+i to tab
May 11 22:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> then you need to figure how to mount the maemo rootfs
May 11 22:17:03 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
May 11 22:17:09 <Kilroo1> DocScrutinizer: Suspected as much. For the moment, though, I'm focusing on (1) charging back to green and (2) seeing if I can use flasher from a Virtualbox so I don't have to go in the other room, since Arch can't enumerate the usb thingamadoodles.
May 11 22:17:28 <MohammadAG> the initrd has problems mounting ubifs partitions
May 11 22:17:35 <MohammadAG> missing lib or something
May 11 22:18:02 <Kilroo1> Thank you, MohammadAG. Very useful information...especially that last part which has the potential to save me hours of wild goose chasing...
May 11 22:19:22 <Kilroo1> Every time I see ubifs I picture the ubisoft logo
May 11 22:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> I think booting to a full meego system on uSD is a better way to stay mentally sane and still recover some maemo borkedness
May 11 22:20:01 <DocScrutinizer> aiui you can boot meego from uSD quite the same way you boot rescue-initrd
May 11 22:21:05 <DocScrutinizer> but you got a proper full equipped system then, rather than a neutered crippled minimalistic initrd
May 11 22:21:14 <Venemo> hey guys
May 11 22:21:39 <Kilroo1> DocS: There's a thought. My backups are on my 32gig but I have an 8 right next to me that isn't doing anything useful. Sounds like a splendid idea if it'll work.
May 11 22:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> (booting meego using flasher) not very common nowadays, but been where meego started
May 11 22:22:31 <Kilroo1> I'm still kinda wondering where I fouled up what I was trying to do in the first place
May 11 22:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> messing with init is always a russian roulette
May 11 22:23:21 <Venemo> hey DocScrutinizer, I hacked together something that your tester may like
May 11 22:23:32 <DocScrutinizer> my tester?
May 11 22:23:37 <Kilroo1> I suspect it was partly due to my not realizing that the step where I got stuck was going to keep multiboot from happening (yeah, yeah, I know)
May 11 22:24:12 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, the same person whom you claimed to have been the tester of puzzle-master?
May 11 22:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> the stepson of my friend
May 11 22:24:35 <DocScrutinizer> not seen him for a long time
May 11 22:24:44 <Kilroo1> but I'm not sure, because I can't really tell whether it's still trying to use power47 anyway, and if it is, then the module for the patriot microsd is not the problem.
May 11 22:24:59 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, well, any kid would like it. even MohammadAG is loving it :)
May 11 22:25:09 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe :-D
May 11 22:25:40 <DocScrutinizer> I have to confess PM is waiting for evaluation since last update that's been like one week ago
May 11 22:25:59 <Venemo> PM=?
May 11 22:26:03 <Venemo> ahh
May 11 22:26:05 <Venemo> puzzlemaster
May 11 22:26:08 <Venemo> no problem :)
May 11 22:26:17 <Venemo> take your time
May 11 22:30:39 <Kilroo1> Side note: there is precious little easy documentation to find regarding bootmenu. Multiboot and u-boot are much easier to find. Makes threads that talk about bootmenu quite confusing at times.
May 11 22:43:28 <MohammadAG> <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, well, any kid would like it. even MohammadAG is loving it :)
May 11 22:43:32 <MohammadAG> I see what you did there
May 11 22:47:57 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1: bootmenu is relatively simple to understand. What backupmenu does is way more difficult to understand as it rapes bootmenu's concept
May 11 22:48:30 <Venemo> MohammadAG, what do you mean?
May 11 22:49:11 <DocScrutinizer> admittedly due to the fact bootmenu's concept is missing a few basic things, so implementing sth like backup menu is impossible without raping bootmenu
May 11 22:49:44 <Kilroo1> DocScrutinizer: I wasn't looking at it in the context of backupmenu...in the process of stuff, I came across a thread about booting to a rootfs on emmc instead of the normal one, and it had a bit about making it work with bootmenu and a question (with no answer I believe) about making it work with multiboot instead.
May 11 22:49:57 <Kilroo1> Partly off-topid: still wtb http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=865425&postcount=84
May 11 22:50:20 <DocScrutinizer> multiboot is deprecated crap
May 11 22:50:22 <Venemo> MohammadAG, aaaaahhh
May 11 22:50:29 <Kilroo1> topic, not topid
May 11 22:50:29 <Venemo> MohammadAG, I didn't mean it like that.
May 11 22:51:57 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: I got it like that :-P
May 11 22:52:08 <Venemo> eehh.
May 11 22:52:23 <Kilroo1> DocScrutinizer: Since I'm getting an Archos 101, I may actually be about to take your advice (actually mine too, I just haven't followed it yet) and ditch nitdroid completely until someone makes it work with u-boot.
May 11 22:52:25 <Venemo> apparently I'm having some trouble expressing myself in English
May 11 22:52:28 <Venemo> sorry MohammadAG :)
May 11 22:52:35 <Kilroo1> English is a crappy language
May 11 22:53:08 <Kilroo1> wish I weren't too lazy to bother learning better ones
May 11 22:53:17 <Venemo> hehe
May 11 22:53:51 <MohammadAG> lol no worries Venemo
May 11 22:53:58 <Kilroo1> I understand French fairly well, but any language in which "it's not the foot, it's the beard" means "it's not okay, it's boring" is bound to be a little confusing
May 11 22:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: that's just because MohammadAG is really young. Would you say "even DocScrutinizer loves it" I'd feel pleased I haven't lost all of my childish mind
May 11 22:54:12 <Kilroo1> Granted English does some equally silly things
May 11 22:54:24 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, well, check out the stuff and say you love it.
May 11 22:54:32 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, then I'll say "even DocScrutinizer loves it" :)
May 11 22:54:54 <MohammadAG> hmm, can't find my N900
May 11 22:55:05 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, you'll need a git client and a Qt Creator. https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/memory-game
May 11 22:55:17 <DocScrutinizer> WUT?
May 11 22:55:30 <MohammadAG> just give him a binary
May 11 22:55:35 <Kilroo1> Wait a minute.
May 11 22:55:42 <Venemo> heh
May 11 22:55:43 <Venemo> okay
May 11 22:55:59 <MohammadAG> ZogG, orange sucks
May 11 22:56:14 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, wait 5 minutes and you shall have a binary
May 11 22:57:20 <DocScrutinizer> ok, but I insist in you saying "even DocScrutinizer the old fart loves it"
May 11 22:57:35 <Venemo> are you an old fart?
May 11 22:57:50 <DocScrutinizer> since 2 days I definitely am
May 11 22:58:01 <Venemo> why is that?
May 11 22:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> aging process cycle completed one time too often
May 11 22:58:35 <MohammadAG> aka birthday?
May 11 22:58:52 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, how many is too often?
May 11 22:59:25 <MohammadAG> omg qole was here
May 11 22:59:33 <Kilroo1> Good grief, I have 166 firefox tabs open
May 11 22:59:49 <SpeedEvil> Only 166?
May 11 22:59:55 * SpeedEvil loves panorama.
May 11 23:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> I prefer to think in astronomic dimensions, like "some unknown planet seen a earth-sun occlusion for the <noooooo:-P>th time since I started to suffer from the big blue box
May 11 23:00:10 * SpeedEvil stabs the fuckheads that removed the close-window-warning.
May 11 23:00:47 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, <noooooo:-P>=?
May 11 23:00:50 <nox-> SpeedEvil, you can use history->restore previous session
May 11 23:00:58 <Kilroo1> 166 is not actually that many for me, but I think that's double how many I had open before I decided I wanted to repartition my emmc yesterday.
May 11 23:01:04 <nox-> (in ff 4.0 at least)
May 11 23:01:08 <SpeedEvil> nox-: Indeed you can.
May 11 23:01:16 <SpeedEvil> nox-: Which is quite irrelevant to my objection.
May 11 23:01:23 <nox-> hm ok
May 11 23:01:25 <SpeedEvil> nox-: That takes both bandwidth, and lots of time.
May 11 23:01:36 <nox-> hm true...
May 11 23:01:41 <SpeedEvil> nox-: In high tab-count cases. And in some cases loses transient content.
May 11 23:01:47 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: you can see my "avatar" all over tmo, you're free to guess
May 11 23:01:48 <nox-> *nod*
May 11 23:02:01 <MohammadAG_> ff4 still asks me if I want to close all tabs
May 11 23:02:08 <ShadowJK> I addead a squid server on my local network to mitigate the bandwidth splurge after a firefox crash
May 11 23:02:37 <SpeedEvil> For example, I'm a subscriber to a news service. And typically have 20 of their tabs open. But I can only access 10 stories a day. So when I have to reload, I get 10 tabs, and 10 saying 'you can't access this today'
May 11 23:02:50 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG_: if you have >1 window open it does, if you do not, it does not.
May 11 23:02:51 <ShadowJK> lol
May 11 23:03:07 <Kilroo1> squid server sounds like it should run on a Japanese restaurant.
May 11 23:03:11 <Kilroo1> Or something.
May 11 23:03:40 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, judging by this: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=35572 I wouldn't think you are any older than 35
May 11 23:03:53 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I need to re-set that up. Well - or something similar. I had wwwoffled. This is intended as an offline cache.
May 11 23:04:06 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: So you can access it while offline, and it will not error.
May 11 23:04:13 <ShadowJK> nice
May 11 23:04:19 * Kilroo1 facepalms
May 11 23:04:20 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Also I need it to setup my differential proxy idea.
May 11 23:04:24 <Kilroo1> Flasher is in AUR.
May 11 23:06:42 <Kilroo1> Flasher from AUR gets a different error. One for which I have already encountered a proposed solution. Where did I leave that tab.
May 11 23:11:14 <Kilroo1> Hooray! Flashing from Arch works with flasher from AUR and rmmodded phonet stuff.
May 11 23:11:22 * Kilroo1 shuts off virtualbox.
May 11 23:11:47 <merlin1991> Kilroo1: mind to share the solution for the nativ arch flasher?
May 11 23:12:12 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, would you prefer an x86_64 binary or a .deb for the N900?
May 11 23:12:34 <merlin1991> Venemo: x86_64 isn't going far on the n900
May 11 23:12:35 <Kilroo1> merlin1991: Install flasher from AUR, sudo rmmod cdc_phonet, sudo rmmod phonet, flash. WOMM.
May 11 23:12:46 <Venemo> merlin1991, this isn't only for the N900
May 11 23:13:17 <Venemo> merlin1991, the question was rather whether DocScrutinizer prefers to try it on his n900 or his computer
May 11 23:14:01 <merlin1991> for me it looked like (would you prefer an x86_64 binary or a .deb) for the N900? and not would you prefer an x86_64 binary or ( a .deb for the N900?)
May 11 23:14:09 <merlin1991> :D
May 11 23:14:53 <Venemo> merlin1991, apply common sense.
May 11 23:15:20 <merlin1991> you're asking for too much ;)
May 11 23:15:27 <Venemo> :P
May 11 23:16:22 * merlin1991 starts to wonder if it was such a good idea to install kernel-power-flasher over ssh
May 11 23:16:51 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: N900 of course
May 11 23:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: why?
May 11 23:17:08 <merlin1991> buecause nothing happened
May 11 23:17:19 <merlin1991> untill I saw the there is a warning window on the n900
May 11 23:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> afaik sth will happen on next boot
May 11 23:17:44 <DocScrutinizer> oh yes, that too
May 11 23:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> we discussed that problem lately
May 11 23:18:35 <merlin1991> yep
May 11 23:18:54 <DocScrutinizer> it boiled down to "how do I detect I run in an xterm and not under HAM"
May 11 23:19:10 <Kilroo1> oh by the way. Can I turn on the blasted backlight from the rescue terminal or something? I'm going to go blind peering at the screen.
May 11 23:19:41 <merlin1991> and I think ended up with the channel splitted btw the "use ham and stufu" and the "it should work over ssh too fanboys"
May 11 23:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> umm, echo 100 >/sys/*??/brightness
May 11 23:21:36 <Kilroo1> in other words no.
May 11 23:21:41 <Kilroo1> hehe
May 11 23:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 11 23:21:54 <DocScrutinizer> no /sys?
May 11 23:22:05 <Kilroo1> Can't type >
May 11 23:22:10 <Kilroo1> at least not so far.
May 11 23:22:12 <DocScrutinizer> fsck!
May 11 23:23:06 <DocScrutinizer> this is SOOOOO annoying - and silly
May 11 23:23:13 <Kilroo1> On the bright side, I have at least gotten as far as the initrd now
May 11 23:23:48 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, "how do I detect I run in an xterm and not under HAM" -> couldbe the output of 'ps aux | grep hildon-application-manager'
May 11 23:23:59 <merlin1991> FFS
May 11 23:24:04 <merlin1991> I just wanted to install apps
May 11 23:24:16 <Kilroo1> ...unfortunately, while I can now mount home and MyDocs from linux, I still don't seem to be able to mount the rootfs where I wanted to make the changes...
May 11 23:24:24 <merlin1991> guess what happened to maemo.org/packages/vew
May 11 23:24:32 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: I thought more along the line of $PPID and /proc/fd/*
May 11 23:24:45 <merlin1991> Kilroo1: rootfs is on a different flash
May 11 23:25:20 <Kilroo1> merlin1991: Yep. Somewhere I'd gotten the apparently mistaken impression it was going to be exposed for mounting.
May 11 23:25:55 <Kilroo1> I need to take some time to reorganize my tabs so I can find the right ones
May 11 23:25:58 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: wait a few years, eventually I will remember which (init.d/*) script did that, checking if stdout is assigned to a terminal or not
May 11 23:25:59 <Kilroo1> also eat
May 11 23:26:17 <Kilroo1> meanwhile time to put n900 back in a chargeable state
May 11 23:26:26 <merlin1991> Kilroo1: maybe this can help you: http://pastebin.com/eqxajxeC
May 11 23:26:48 <Venemo> mhm
May 11 23:27:33 <Kilroo1> merlin1991: Maybe so. It's very pretty. What is it?
May 11 23:27:47 <merlin1991> output of mount from my n900
May 11 23:28:02 <merlin1991> maybe you get some info on how to mount rootfs out of it
May 11 23:28:15 <Kilroo1> Ah
May 11 23:28:17 <Kilroo1> Thank you.
May 11 23:28:22 <SpeedEvil> You cannot mount the rootfs over USB with the stock system.
May 11 23:28:32 <DocScrutinizer> recue-initrd has problems mounting ubifs afaik
May 11 23:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: rescue-initrd
May 11 23:29:57 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ...which is a way more nasty problem
May 11 23:30:10 <Kilroo1> SpeedEvil: I know. I was trying to do it using the rescue initrd. So far that hasn't helped either. I think next step is trying to use flasher to boot meego from a microSD...if that still doesn't help I'm probably just going to have to reflash the durn thing after all.
May 11 23:30:47 <Kilroo1> But for the moment, I require caloric intake
May 11 23:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> same here
May 11 23:31:08 <Kilroo1> so phone back to charging mode and kilroo to kitchen.
May 11 23:32:32 * merlin1991 just loves the huge WARNING! header when installing ic2-tools
May 11 23:33:01 <SpeedEvil> It is actually possible to bork your device.
May 11 23:33:06 <merlin1991> also the fact, that it again did a warning window on the n900
May 11 23:33:23 <merlin1991> SpeedEvil: I don't plan on creating an expensive brick
May 11 23:33:29 <merlin1991> I only installed hostmode-gui
May 11 23:33:55 <merlin1991> wich hopefully does proper use of ic2-tools
May 11 23:34:06 * merlin1991 blames MohammadAG if not
May 11 23:34:34 * SpeedEvil blames canada.
May 11 23:35:33 <Venemo> achipa, ping
May 11 23:35:59 <merlin1991> lol brightness went to 0 when closing the hostmode-gui
May 11 23:36:31 <Venemo> achipa, did you know that any app using QGLWidget will segfault under Scratchbox?
May 11 23:40:48 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, http://venemo.fedorapeople.org/ -> memory-game_1.0_armel.deb
May 11 23:41:59 * DocScrutinizer blames Nokia ;-P
May 11 23:42:26 <Venemo> merlin1991, you can restore it easily
May 11 23:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: known issue when restarting bme. lock&unlock will fix
May 11 23:43:37 <DocScrutinizer> known though not yet understood I have to add
May 11 23:44:20 <ShadowJK> it's the bme upstart script
May 11 23:44:27 <ShadowJK> it sets brightness to 0
May 11 23:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> wut??
May 11 23:44:38 <DocScrutinizer> idiocy
May 11 23:45:24 <ShadowJK> it accidentlly triggers a "oh shit we're booted with low battery, turn everything off until we can get bme running"
May 11 23:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> hmm...
May 11 23:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: thanks for shedding some light on this
May 11 23:46:56 <Venemo> nah, I'll go get some sleep now
May 11 23:47:02 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, lemme know your thoughts tomorrow
May 11 23:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> anyway the workaround is simple: two times push the lock-slider switch
May 11 23:47:39 <DocScrutinizer> I'll let you know right now the pissing microb just displayed rubbish when clicking the link
May 11 23:48:06 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: night :-D
May 11 23:48:22 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, use "save as" or whatever
May 11 23:49:46 <Kilroo1> Random thought of the moment: I still love the belt case I use for my n900.
May 11 23:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> 120k?? o.O
May 11 23:50:49 <Venemo> dunno why, the executable is 130k
May 11 23:51:56 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, also, this is my first attempt at a translateable application
May 11 23:52:06 <Venemo> anyway, good night!
May 11 23:53:09 <DocScrutinizer> EUPL?? o.O
May 11 23:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf eupl
May 11 23:53:35 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what eupl means...
May 11 23:53:40 <DocScrutinizer> ~eupl
May 11 23:53:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki eupl
May 11 23:53:54 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EUPL (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox software license | name = European Union Public Licence | author = European Union | version = 1.1 | Publisher = European Commission | copyright = European Union | date = Jan 2007 | OSI approved = Yes[http://www.osor.eu/news/eu-open-source-initiative-approves-european-union-public-licence] | Debian approved = Yes (OSI approved) | Free Software = Yes | GPL compatible = v.2 yesThe ...
May 11 23:54:09 <ShadowJK> NIH?
May 11 23:54:36 <BCMM> are garage accounts linked to any other accounts?
May 11 23:55:01 <DocScrutinizer> umm, not afaik
May 11 23:55:25 <BCMM> thanks
May 11 23:55:58 <DocScrutinizer> denada
May 11 23:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: nice :-)
May 12 00:00:03 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: I gather you'll improve it to have user selectable pictures and # of cards
May 12 00:00:11 <Kilroo1> I find it entertaining that there are actually things released under the wtfpl
May 12 00:01:30 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1: meego has ubifs support (according to alterego)
May 12 00:01:34 <BCMM> heh, "Approvement"
May 12 00:01:58 <BCMM> (i am awaiting "Approvement" for extras-devel)
May 12 00:02:04 * DocScrutinizer starts to feel sick - damn
May 12 00:02:11 <Kilroo1> DocScrutinizer: Ossom. Still sorting browser tabs at the moment though, hehe. Then I have to make sure I find the right instructions.
May 12 00:02:15 <BCMM> i actually prefer that to the proper word and am going to start using it
May 12 00:02:41 <DocScrutinizer> Kilroo1: make sure you man mount.ubifs
May 12 00:02:45 <DocScrutinizer> or whatever
May 12 00:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> root is mtd5
May 12 00:03:09 <Kilroo1> I shall make a note of that
May 12 00:03:19 <Kilroo1> Oh, what was that command...
May 12 00:03:22 <DocScrutinizer> not even alterego knew what to do with ubi ;-P
May 12 00:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> mtd5 doesn't show in maemo "mount"
May 12 00:04:17 <DocScrutinizer> of course, since it's rootfs that's defined on kernel cmdline by NOLO
May 12 00:05:47 <Kilroo1> one of my coworkers wanted to know how to do something on one of the linux servers once and I told him to ssh into it and type "man <something>" and he started laughing...
May 12 00:06:05 <Kilroo1> I'm sure "man mount" would have amused him even more.
May 12 00:08:48 <DocScrutinizer> and the "Mount options for ubifs" would make him fall off his chair
May 12 00:09:59 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, for your convenience:
May 12 00:10:02 <DocScrutinizer> ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc)
May 12 00:11:00 <DocScrutinizer> which now first time makes some sense to me
May 12 00:11:02 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 12 00:11:40 <DocScrutinizer> 0=device, :rootfs = name of NAND partition
May 12 00:16:10 <SpeedEvil> nox-: Or - in this case - losing volatile shopping carts. Grr.
May 12 00:16:31 <nox-> :(
May 12 00:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 12 00:17:17 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Firefox - nvm
May 12 00:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> aah, k
May 12 00:18:02 <nox-> loss of `close all tabs' prompt
May 12 00:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> ^F nox did the trick
May 12 00:19:05 <nox-> ^f ?
May 12 00:19:19 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-f, in Konversation
May 12 00:19:26 <DocScrutinizer> "find"
May 12 00:19:33 <nox-> oh ok :)
May 12 00:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> btw another somewhat borked feature in xchat
May 12 00:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 12 00:20:48 <nox-> ah yeah only goes back in whatever still is in the scollback...
May 12 00:20:54 <DocScrutinizer> of course a nonexistent feature in maemo-xterm
May 12 00:21:21 <nox-> and a borked one in microb too
May 12 00:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: that'd be the expected behaviour
May 12 00:21:32 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, in microb too
May 12 00:21:50 <DocScrutinizer> related to zooming in mircrob, it seems
May 12 00:22:03 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, so sometimes xchat doesnt even do that?
May 12 00:22:11 <nox-> oh, n900 xchat?
May 12 00:22:23 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: sometimes I think it doesn't multiple searches
May 12 00:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, n900 xchat
May 12 00:22:51 <nox-> ah ok i usually dont irc from that little screen...
May 12 00:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> like here ^F nox [prev] [prev]
May 12 00:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> the [prev] aka [ENTER] fails on xchat iirc
May 12 00:23:55 <DocScrutinizer> or it also misslocates, like microb
May 12 00:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> haven't used it in a while
May 12 00:24:14 <nox-> haha and now i have a bunch of blank lines...
May 12 00:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> so just recall it's borked
May 12 00:24:53 <DocScrutinizer> seem to recall
May 12 00:25:10 <DocScrutinizer> headache, o/
May 12 00:25:10 <nox-> well something is definitely broken there yeah
May 12 00:36:46 <Kilroo1> Mythbusters is making me laugh so hard I'm crying.
May 12 00:46:35 <DocScrutinizer> mythbusters are clows with no clue. They wouldn't have passed physics tests of highschool
May 12 00:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> buolding a model of a suspension bridge like golden gate, and then forgetting about mounts for the strings, that's sooooo lame
May 12 00:48:49 <Sazpaimon_> so like
May 12 00:48:59 <Sazpaimon_> i have an sd to microsd adapter
May 12 00:49:01 <Kilroo1> Clowns causing explosions are fun to watch though
May 12 00:49:19 <Sazpaimon_> not the other way around mind you
May 12 00:49:41 <Sazpaimon_> if i get an sdxc card, you think itll work?
May 12 00:50:57 <cehteh> iirc sdhc is not compatible to sdxc ... but ask wikipedia or someone else to be sure
May 12 00:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> yo
May 12 00:51:59 <Sazpaimon_> i read theyre electronicly compaitble
May 12 00:54:56 <Sazpaimon_> I may be wrong though
May 12 01:40:50 <blizzow> I'm having a nightmare of a time getting tethering to work with T-Mobile and my n900.
May 12 01:41:54 <blizzow> I've tried the prebuilt mobile profiles for ubuntu, and it just keeps saying GSM network disconnected.
May 12 01:42:50 <SpeedEvil> you plug the n900 into USB, and select 'pc-suite' mode?
May 12 01:44:25 <blizzow> SpeedEvil: did that.
May 12 01:53:18 <ds3> or use slirp on the n900
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