**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 20 03:00:00 2011
May 20 03:18:48 <ShadowJK> I wouldn't say "alot"
May 20 03:22:03 <DocScrutinizer> Zaakmmm: you missed the 3pt writing at the bottom, didn't you?
May 20 03:22:57 <DocScrutinizer> promo video - hehehehe
May 20 03:23:18 <DocScrutinizer> seen promos of iPhone? ;-P
May 20 03:24:51 <ShadowJK> The cool video is so abstract you can't really tell what's going on
May 20 03:24:56 <ShadowJK> the abstract video is abstract
May 20 03:25:09 <ShadowJK> and the finding maemo video's web browser loads pages instantly
May 20 03:25:30 <ShadowJK> faster than my Core 2 Quad 9550
May 20 03:25:40 <DocScrutinizer> sure, via 2G
May 20 03:26:16 <DocScrutinizer> sorry Zaakmmm, we're in a nasty mood :-D
May 20 03:27:17 <Zaakmmm> Heh
May 20 03:27:18 <ShadowJK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U This video shows shapeshifting abilities, where are those :(
May 20 03:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> hihihi
May 20 03:27:52 <timeless_xchat> @hel flying to sfo via ams
May 20 03:28:24 <DocScrutinizer> wtf, how did he manage that?
May 20 03:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> airport wlan I guess
May 20 03:29:04 <DocScrutinizer> "one packet for free - choose wisely" ;-D
May 20 03:29:53 <ShadowJK> hint: elisa-mobile
May 20 03:30:20 <DocScrutinizer> umm, do I have to google, or will you give a clue ?
May 20 03:30:35 <ShadowJK> --> timeless_xchat (~timeless@84-231-85-25.elisa-mobile.fi) has joined #maemo
May 20 03:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> aah
May 20 03:30:54 <ShadowJK> XChat on N900, mobile internets
May 20 03:31:29 <DocScrutinizer> well, I can't tell from chanlog how long he's been here, but for sure was <60s
May 20 03:31:51 <ShadowJK> ya
May 20 03:33:14 <DocScrutinizer> probably he found a cross site scripting vulnerability in that airport's registration page ;-P
May 20 03:34:03 <Macer> hm
May 20 03:34:11 <Macer> i don't quite understand how these cups pkgs work
May 20 03:34:17 <ShadowJK> I'm pretty sure he just used his N900 and the N900 cellular modem ;p
May 20 03:34:21 <Macer> anybody have a good site for how to configure it?
May 20 03:34:21 <DocScrutinizer> pushed one cmdline with irc login + that one post
May 20 03:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> aah
May 20 03:34:42 <Macer> even though there aren't any apps that have a print option
May 20 03:35:28 <Macer> if the cups bsd stuff had a front end that would work
May 20 03:35:55 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer is like an old person seeing television first time, yelling "how do the people fit in there!?" ;P
May 20 03:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.cups.org/documentation.php
May 20 03:36:39 <Macer> heh
May 20 03:36:44 <Macer> nothing maemo specific?
May 20 03:36:52 <GeneralAntilles> EU female employment quota. Teehee
May 20 03:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> cups isn't maemo specific
May 20 03:37:14 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: but other distros like debian and ubuntu have cups wikis
May 20 03:37:24 <Macer> :)
May 20 03:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> well, then use those
May 20 03:37:42 <Macer> although with ubuntu you really don't need any cups knowledge
May 20 03:37:46 <DocScrutinizer> cups should be all the same anyway
May 20 03:38:04 <Macer> not really. ubuntu and debian have gnome front ends... kubuntu has it set up in its setting panel
May 20 03:38:14 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 20 03:38:19 <Macer> but i will see if i can get it going. iw as just hoping there was a maemo walkthrough
May 20 03:38:33 <DocScrutinizer> I bet there's a generic cups way to config a printer
May 20 03:38:42 <Macer> i would love to figure out how to rebuild abiword with printer support in maemo
May 20 03:38:45 <Macer> as well as gnumeric
May 20 03:39:21 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: i am sure there is too. just wish there was a settings option
May 20 03:41:41 <DocScrutinizer> http://localhost:631/
May 20 03:41:56 <Macer> treid that
May 20 03:41:59 <Macer> tried
May 20 03:42:05 <Macer> ;)
May 20 03:42:18 <Macer> i thought cupsenable then localhost:631 would do it
May 20 03:43:04 <Macer> ok
May 20 03:43:08 <Macer> this is where i kick myself
May 20 03:43:14 <Macer> didn't run it as root
May 20 03:43:15 <DocScrutinizer> well, if localhost:631 isn't working, then *maybe* you're missing some parts/pkgs of cups system
May 20 03:43:17 <Macer> oops
May 20 03:43:30 <Macer> it is workign no
May 20 03:43:41 <Macer> now..but i'm not at home to mess with the printer but i will do that when i get home
May 20 03:44:01 <Macer> then work on getting a building box going so i can see about getting abiword and gnumeric built with printing support
May 20 03:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> glad to hear :-)
May 20 03:44:17 <Macer> let me disable it bfore it murders my battery
May 20 04:01:35 <Macer> heh
May 20 04:01:56 <Macer> i went through the steps... it is simple.. if i were home i would do it now.
May 20 04:02:38 <Macer> just need the brother ppd file which is pretty easy to get. damn.. sure wish abiword and gnumeric had printing support built in
May 20 04:04:31 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: >> CUPS understands many different types of files directly, including text, PostScript, PDF, and image files. This allows you to print from inside your applications or at the command-line, whichever is most convenient! Type either of the following commands to print a file to the default (or only) printer on the system:
May 20 04:04:32 <DocScrutinizer>  lp filename
May 20 04:04:34 <DocScrutinizer>  lpr filename
May 20 04:07:20 <DocScrutinizer> >>CUPS provides both the System V (lp(1)) and Berkeley (lpr(1)) printing commands for printing files. In addition, it supported a large number of standard and printer-specific options that allow you to control how and where files are printed.
May 20 04:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: doesn't abiword export pdf?
May 20 04:10:05 <Macer> yes
May 20 04:10:14 <Macer> but would be nice to print directly
May 20 04:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> so while it's not the most convenient way, it is possible to print at least
May 20 04:10:52 <Macer> yeah
May 20 04:11:04 <Macer> printing on a phone is sweet
May 20 04:13:37 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: mohammadAG recently is fascinated by inotify. If you ask nicely, I bet he'll write you a daemon that watches for arbitrary /printer/* files, and as soon as such a file appears, starts a cmd "lp /printer/*; rm /printer/*"
May 20 04:14:48 <DocScrutinizer> so you start printing by saving/exporting pdf or whatever to "/printer/myprinterjob1"
May 20 04:15:12 * GAN900 starts checking off items counting down to SF
May 20 04:16:28 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: sweet -> you could even print over internet, from any location in the world, to your homesite printer
May 20 04:17:28 <DocScrutinizer> aiui at least. CUPS should have some proper authentication so not everybody random hacker can abuse your printer
May 20 04:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> you just need a cups running on any machine@home
May 20 04:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> or you pipe from your local N900 to home, like "cat myprfile | ssh me@mydomain.home lpr"
May 20 04:21:36 <DocScrutinizer> but definitely printing to a usb printer plugged to N900 via H-E-N is the most technically advanced and exciting thing to do ;-D
May 20 04:24:20 * DocScrutinizer doubts though that friggin HPLIP will install and work on N900, to operate this hp-lj P1505
May 20 04:31:13 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: well.. cups is running on the n900 so i am guessing it is its own server
May 20 04:31:26 <Macer> the printer itself supports ipp ldp etc
May 20 04:31:47 <Macer> really... i am guessing that is why they have the ssh tunnel front end for maemo
May 20 04:32:00 <Macer> so you can just use ssh for auth
May 20 05:19:38 <Macer> hm
May 20 05:26:42 <Macer> what to do what to do
May 20 05:36:48 <Macer> ok
May 20 05:36:58 <Macer> there has to be an option for this somewhere
May 20 05:37:20 <Macer> cssu does this thing where it shows you all the windows.. and they scroll and it totally sucks
May 20 05:37:24 <Macer> :)
May 20 05:38:43 <cehteh> you mean the task switcher layout?
May 20 05:38:52 <Macer> yes!
May 20 05:38:57 <Macer> lol
May 20 05:39:06 <cehteh> yes i cant stand it and set that to default too
May 20 05:39:14 <Macer> i want the old method.. is there a way to change it?
May 20 05:39:22 <cehteh> yes css configurarion
May 20 05:39:40 <cehteh> its named 'task switcher *something*'
May 20 05:39:51 <slonopotamus> Macer: cssu task switcher by default acts same as maemo one.
May 20 05:40:20 <cehteh> on column, 2 cloumn, default
May 20 05:41:25 <cehteh> some things on cssu are just useless playthings .. but some are actually nice :), one has to find out what suits him best
May 20 05:42:00 <cehteh> parallax 2.1 makes desktop switching simpler :P
May 20 05:42:05 <Macer> awesome!
May 20 05:42:19 <Macer> paeallex?
May 20 05:42:24 <Macer> para
May 20 05:42:29 <cehteh> see cssu config
May 20 05:42:56 <Macer> i just set the task switcher to default
May 20 05:43:03 <cehteh> the parallax defines how much you need to swipe over the screen to switch the desktop
May 20 05:43:03 <Macer> thank god it was driving me up the wall
May 20 05:43:09 <Macer> ooooh
May 20 05:43:20 <cehteh> with 2,1 its slightly less than half a screen full
May 20 05:43:26 <Macer> is there a fix to the ugly bouncing scrolling in menus?
May 20 05:43:41 <cehteh> bouncy scrolling?
May 20 05:43:57 <Macer> like when you use the file manager for instance
May 20 05:44:10 <cehteh> then?
May 20 05:44:10 <Macer> it seems a little awkward when scrolling down a file list
May 20 05:44:23 <cehteh> not here
May 20 05:44:50 <cehteh> or at least i dont know what you mean
May 20 05:45:13 <Macer> well.. tapping on it to scroll makes the first selection you touch blink
May 20 05:45:40 <cehteh> ah .. didnt it do that always? i dont care
May 20 05:46:04 <cehteh> i turned on 'fast transitions'
May 20 05:46:20 <cehteh> you can play a bit with different settings
May 20 05:48:16 <Macer> ah ok
May 20 05:48:16 <Macer> i will thanks
May 20 05:48:40 <Macer> once i got that damn nokia su8w working and google syncing.. n900 turned into a monster heh
May 20 05:48:59 <Macer> if the cups thing works out i will no longer require a laptop for basic office stuff
May 20 05:49:06 <Macer> laptop in a pocket
May 20 05:49:08 * cehteh still waits for imap idle support 
May 20 05:51:35 <slonopotamus> Macer: what's wrong with n900 builtin kb? (well, except lack of some keys)
May 20 05:52:06 <mikejf> Can anyone gibe me some pointers for connecting to a WPA EAP TLS WiFi network?
May 20 05:53:01 <mikejf> I can't figure out how to make the N900 use the private key file without using wpa_suplicant from the CLI.
May 20 06:01:18 <Macer> huh?
May 20 06:01:25 <Macer> you cant touch type on it
May 20 06:02:09 <Macer> su8w is a folding portable bt keyboard
May 20 06:02:21 <Macer> cant type nearly as fast with my thumbs
May 20 06:02:57 <Macer> i need to get a replacement keypad for this thing. mine is badly worn. the space key has a bit white blotch on it
May 20 06:06:05 <Macer> taking apart the housing to replace it is probably a pain
May 20 06:08:12 <Macer> how do i refresh the movies list?
May 20 06:08:31 <cehteh> tracerd should do that automatically
May 20 06:08:35 <cehteh> trackerd
May 20 06:08:59 <cehteh> if not there is a tracker configuration applet which lets you do that .. and as well break your system with a click :)
May 20 06:31:03 <Termana> good morning
May 20 06:39:20 <Macer> haha
May 20 06:39:34 <Macer> well... doesnt seem to have updated it well. ah well. no biggie
May 20 06:40:01 <cehteh> justb wait .. trackerd ususally starts in the most unconvinient time :)
May 20 06:40:31 <cehteh> like you have 5% battery left, are in the middle of the sahara and have to make an emergency call
May 20 06:43:30 <cehteh> mhmpf .. is there some "show on map" application for geotagged photos?
May 20 06:43:48 <cehteh> preferably integrated in the image viewer
May 20 06:52:37 <mece> hahaha topic!
May 20 07:26:04 <Macer> :)
May 20 07:26:22 <Macer> so i was trying to get nitdroid working when...
May 20 07:26:30 * Macer hides
May 20 07:34:19 <mece> oo.. :D Peter@Maemo Marketing threw a "thanks" in N9 teaser thread. I hope he writes something
May 20 08:25:09 <Macer> n9 going to run meego?
May 20 08:25:19 <Macer> i honestly havent kept up
May 20 08:26:06 <cehteh> move along, nothing to see here
May 20 08:26:10 <chx> Macer: what i heard here it's a maemo backend with a meego ui?
May 20 08:26:27 <cehteh> i wont be surprised if nokia makes a turn once again
May 20 08:26:34 <cehteh> symbian, wp7, whatever
May 20 08:26:58 <Macer> haha
May 20 08:27:14 <Macer> yeah.. i think i will definately hold off on that one
May 20 08:27:25 <Macer> meego ui with a maemo backend?
May 20 08:27:49 <Macer> isnt the actual meego based on suse or something?
May 20 08:30:08 <nid0> it has a loose fedora history
May 20 08:31:04 <MohammadAG_> Harmattan
May 20 08:31:24 <MohammadAG_> this news is at least a year old
May 20 08:33:00 <cehteh> n9 is a dead horse, even before released
May 20 08:35:21 <Macer> heh
May 20 08:35:48 <Macer> i think circumstances like this are all up to marketing
May 20 08:36:21 <Macer> people like you and i could understand why it will suck... the masses just want shiny things with some gfx
May 20 08:37:26 <Macer> plus.. regardless of anything nokia probably makes the best quality hardware.. even if i wish their entire board died in a fire on a plane while it was crashing
May 20 08:39:01 <petteri> blaah, there are plenty of devs also waiting for n9
May 20 08:39:23 <petteri> not expecting it to suck
May 20 08:39:26 <Macer> for now
May 20 08:39:42 <Macer> there were a lot of devs on the n900 as well with high hopes for it
May 20 08:39:53 <petteri> n900 is best device around?
May 20 08:40:37 <petteri> i think mostly the heavy user types were dissapointed
May 20 08:44:56 <trx> what do you guys think so far : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1010776
May 20 08:45:44 <MohammadAG_> chatwindow.cpp:39: error: no matching function for call to 'ChatWindow::connect(QXmppVCardManager*, const char [36], vCardCache*&, const char [36])'
May 20 08:45:45 <MohammadAG_> grr
May 20 08:47:47 <RST38h> ...Heney, 23, was recorded by CCTV cameras stealing the phone from a young woman who had fallen to her death from a car park.
May 20 08:48:00 <RST38h> Good moorning, gentlemen
May 20 08:48:03 <trx> lol.
May 20 08:48:07 <trx> morning..
May 20 08:48:10 <trx> :)
May 20 08:49:18 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Nokia's Windows Phones will feature dual-core ST-Ericsson U8500, says STMicroelectronics chief
May 20 08:49:37 <RST38h> Seen that U8500-based Meego proto from Nokia? That is where it will go now =)
May 20 08:51:43 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 20 08:54:08 <MohammadAG_> is it me
May 20 08:54:16 <MohammadAG_> or is this guy recording the video with an N950? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeZY6h9gBVM&feature=player_embedded#at=18
May 20 08:55:13 <MohammadAG_> yep, it does seem to be an N950/N9 in the reflection
May 20 08:57:46 <nid0> could be
May 20 09:02:37 <Arkenoi> i guess it is just n8 or e7
May 20 09:02:54 <RST38h> E7 is more like it, it has got crappy camera though
May 20 09:03:28 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Wait. It can't be E7. E7 has fixed optics so it cannot shoot from this distance
May 20 09:04:09 <Arkenoi> so it is n8
May 20 09:08:45 <nid0> it also cant be an e7 as the lights in the wrong place
May 20 09:09:00 <nid0> and the n8 light is in the right place, but is wider than the one in that reflection
May 20 09:18:38 <mece> interesting...
May 20 09:19:48 * alterego is not almost packed :)
May 20 09:20:05 <alterego> Need to print off a few things, tickets etc,
May 20 09:20:16 <alterego> crap must remember to do the online check in
May 20 09:21:49 <SpeedEvil> Oh jesus.
May 20 09:22:02 <SpeedEvil> Analysing reflections from videos on youtube...
May 20 09:22:09 <SpeedEvil> Just wait a week!
May 20 09:22:12 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 20 09:22:40 <SpeedEvil> On an actual on-topic topic. I assume there is no other browser with flash yet on n900?
May 20 09:22:47 <SpeedEvil> I've not been keeping up.
May 20 09:24:16 <mece> SpeedEvil, you can activate flash in firefox from about:config
May 20 09:24:50 <mece> SpeedEvil, the buzz is quite entertaining :)
May 20 09:25:18 <RST38h> Speed: flash works in fennex
May 20 09:25:26 <RST38h> need to enable it though
May 20 09:26:49 <mece> MohammadAG_, well it's not the E7, (wrong shape led), not X7 (led is too far down) probably not N8 (led is too far down and wrong shape) but N9/50, based on leaky pics from 2010 has led in correct shape and in the right place, so yeah. N9/50 it could be.
May 20 09:27:15 <mece> MohammadAG_, pic: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_l07vVnBw3l8/TG1fxfCD1uI/AAAAAAAACGs/OSzLs5yq4KU/s640/Nokia_N9%20%289%29.jpeg
May 20 09:29:07 <SpeedEvil> No lens-cover?
May 20 09:29:14 <SpeedEvil> That's somewhat annoying.
May 20 09:29:44 <mece> SpeedEvil, such is life.
May 20 09:29:45 <SpeedEvil> Though of course - the hardware is the less interesting bit...
May 20 09:29:47 <mece> annoying.
May 20 09:29:59 <SpeedEvil> brutish and short.
May 20 09:30:02 <mece> SpeedEvil, well the hardware is interesting too :)
May 20 09:30:04 <SpeedEvil> Or something similar.
May 20 09:31:56 <mece> MohammadAG_, of course it could be something from another manufacturer too.
May 20 09:32:03 <SpeedEvil> Of course - if intel finally get down with the low power stuff - things could change.
May 20 09:32:09 <SpeedEvil> XP-phone? :)
May 20 09:32:31 <mece> eek
May 20 09:32:54 <macmaN> whats up all
May 20 09:33:01 <macmaN> does anyone here use anything to automatically enable bluetooth on incoming call?
May 20 09:33:04 <macmaN> it doesn't so far, but i'm not finding any other applicable format string either
May 20 09:33:09 <macmaN> ehh
May 20 09:33:15 <macmaN> not finding anything from existing packages
May 20 09:33:42 <SpeedEvil> I assume leaving it on doesn't work for you for some reaon?
May 20 09:36:47 <SpeedEvil> mece: Thanks - FF
May 20 09:37:29 <macmaN> SpeedEvil: battery life isn't that good as it is...
May 20 09:37:38 <mece> oh fuck
May 20 09:37:42 <mece> I just found something...
May 20 09:37:42 <mece> fuck
May 20 09:37:44 <mece> sorry
May 20 09:38:06 <mece> OMGOMGOMGOMG
May 20 09:38:10 <macmaN> that reminds me too, i need a bt headset that doesnt take a 5 second press to turn on and off..
May 20 09:38:15 <SpeedEvil> macmaN: I get ~5 days battery life logged into wifi and GSM with the phone idle
May 20 09:38:53 <mece> I can now confirm that it's an n9 that he used to film the qtquick 3d.
May 20 09:41:54 <macmaN> SpeedEvil: with a standard battery? i listen to mp3s too for maybe an 0.5hr/day avg
May 20 09:42:19 <macmaN> i can get about 3 days to empty
May 20 09:42:28 <SpeedEvil> macmaN: yes - standard battery
May 20 09:42:43 <SpeedEvil> macmaN: About 12h of mp3 before batteries die.
May 20 09:42:45 <SpeedEvil> battery
May 20 09:43:58 <Macer> amazon has batteries for sale.. cheap :)
May 20 09:44:45 <Macer> i hope my silicon case and screen protectors show up soon. i might get a repair kit and some spare parts for my n900 as well
May 20 09:44:50 <macmaN> i dont have a good external charging solution and i think the hotswap strategy on tmo was quite experimental too
May 20 09:45:22 <macmaN> an external micro-usb battery pack is something im looking into, but im not able to find anything that is on sale currently. everything seems to be from year 2007+
May 20 09:45:26 <SpeedEvil> yeah - hotswap hasn't been done yet.
May 20 09:45:29 <Macer> there is a beast battery
May 20 09:45:31 <SpeedEvil> And it's at b est a nadty hack
May 20 09:46:09 <Macer> wasnt there some ungodly huge battery for an n900 that you could get?
May 20 09:46:22 <Macer> it didnt add too much bulk but added some
May 20 09:46:22 <psycho_oreos> was called mugen iirc
May 20 09:46:53 <macmaN> i cant change the dimensions, its a fatty device as it is
May 20 09:47:24 <macmaN> can somebody just make a new hardware design and slap maemo on it? instabuy for me
May 20 09:47:33 <Macer> hahaha
May 20 09:47:40 <macmaN> i wonder if that could be a kickstarter project
May 20 09:47:56 <SpeedEvil> macmaN: You're looking at a large slice of a million dollars.
May 20 09:48:14 <psycho_oreos> with mugen battery it does make N900 look more big.. even some of the hard cases you can buy for N900 e.g. otterbox makes N900 look fatter than orignal
May 20 09:48:20 <psycho_oreos> s/orignal/original/
May 20 09:48:21 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: with mugen battery it does make N900 look more big.. even some of the hard cases you can buy for N900 e.g. otterbox makes N900 look fatter than original
May 20 09:48:54 <Macer> n8 is symbian?
May 20 09:48:57 <mece> yes
May 20 09:49:12 <macmaN> my buddy bought n8. he regrets it.
May 20 09:49:17 <Macer> haha
May 20 09:49:19 <Macer> im sure
May 20 09:49:34 <mece> I think N8 is nice
May 20 09:49:40 <Macer> last good symbian phone was an n900 or e71
May 20 09:49:44 <Macer> n95
May 20 09:50:39 <jjo> e51 actually and n900 was a really bad symbian phone.
May 20 09:51:08 <psycho_oreos> lol N900 = symbian
May 20 09:51:20 <Macer> oops
May 20 09:51:27 <Macer> meant n95
May 20 09:51:45 <Macer> i thought my n95 was pretty ok at the time
May 20 09:51:50 <nid0> <3 e90
May 20 09:51:56 <psycho_oreos> jjo apparently also made the same mistake or was that meant to be deliberate :p
May 20 09:52:23 <Macer> forgot about the e90 but it was way too rich for my blood
May 20 09:52:28 <Macer> $1000
May 20 09:52:55 <nid0> I ended up getting mine as a £49 upgrade from my network lolz
May 20 09:53:03 <jjo> psycho_oreos: deliberate
May 20 09:53:28 <jjo> I think n900 was nice pocket size "debian" computer
May 20 09:54:19 <psycho_oreos> and there was other Nxxx series which also ran similar base off debian, along with OM freerunner
May 20 09:54:34 <psycho_oreos> too bad none of those except N900 had phone capability
May 20 09:54:40 <Macer> wow...
May 20 09:54:44 <Macer> http://www.eketshop.com/goods.php?id=2537
May 20 09:54:47 <Macer> awesome
May 20 09:54:55 <psycho_oreos> actually my bad OM freerunner does have phone capability but only 2G
May 20 09:55:55 <psycho_oreos> so apart from the fact that N900 would probably suck as symbian wannabe its still better in its own ways than symbian ever wished to be
May 20 09:56:50 <macmaN> so there is another full-blown-linux based phone out there? i thought openmoko never got there, but havent been following that at all.
May 20 09:57:52 <Macer> they have a gold replacement housing
May 20 09:58:13 <Macer> hm. wonder if the white housing is in the front as well
May 20 09:58:15 <psycho_oreos> there has been a few other linux based phone floating around. I think aava is another one but quite a pricey one
May 20 09:58:16 <macmaN> there is only one way to get female support
May 20 09:58:18 <macmaN> pink casing
May 20 09:58:31 <Macer> hahahahaa
May 20 09:58:33 <macmaN> white too, with gold elements
May 20 09:58:42 <Macer> naw. there are bedazzled covers
May 20 09:58:47 <Macer> those work better
May 20 09:59:00 <macmaN> youre talking different female groups now
May 20 09:59:17 <Macer> i am looking for replacement parts for my n900... for when there arent anymore
May 20 09:59:17 <macmaN> the business woman still likes pink, but no more bedazzled
May 20 09:59:18 <Macer> :)
May 20 09:59:26 <macmaN> teenager takes either
May 20 09:59:29 <Macer> ah. i see
May 20 10:00:47 <macmaN> but i finally got my woman to finally start the dark side conversion process
May 20 10:01:07 <macmaN> (i.e. on a device even off-hours)
May 20 10:01:18 <macmaN> samsung galaxy tab did it,
May 20 10:01:35 <macmaN> that experience has been good enough to start the conversion
May 20 10:02:01 <macmaN> now the management process is still left. since i still need her to cook :)
May 20 10:06:52 <thopiekar> hi
May 20 10:07:17 <thopiekar> what would be a good name for a infotainment application?
May 20 10:08:14 <macmaN> Infotainment?
May 20 10:08:29 <macmaN> i dont think theres an app by that name yet
May 20 10:08:30 <thopiekar> mediaplayer, OBD, etc..
May 20 10:08:54 <thopiekar> thinking about naming it pyCarmedia
May 20 10:09:05 <macmaN> i still think "Infotainment" is better
May 20 10:09:26 <thopiekar> i'll google for that to make sure it isn't used
May 20 10:09:35 <macmaN> KISS works most of the time
May 20 10:10:14 <macmaN> i for one cant help but feel some reluctance whenever i see a langAppBlah name
May 20 10:10:22 <macmaN> makes the app feel hackish and not supported up front
May 20 10:11:27 <thopiekar> macmaN: thats why I think about renaming it..
May 20 10:11:49 <thopiekar> formly this kind of solution is called "In car entertainment"
May 20 10:12:07 <thopiekar> maybe I should call it simply ICE?
May 20 10:12:21 <macmaN> non-obvious
May 20 10:12:35 <macmaN> i stick by "Infotainment"
May 20 10:12:38 <macmaN> so far
May 20 10:12:51 <thopiekar> k
May 20 10:13:05 <macmaN> make a name that is immediately understandable in the package list
May 20 10:13:20 <macmaN> or at least gives a clue what it is
May 20 10:13:24 <macmaN> ICE definitely doesnt do that
May 20 10:13:59 <thopiekar> kk
May 20 10:16:57 <edheldil> is not infotainment something else?
May 20 10:17:11 <MohammadAG> mece, you don't have to confirm it, I'm sure it's an N950 :p
May 20 10:19:21 <edheldil> macmaN:  e.g. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infotainment
May 20 10:19:53 <macmaN> well its not my app, i didnt look into it at all
May 20 10:20:02 <macmaN> just going by the authors thoughts here
May 20 10:20:34 <edheldil> ah, sorry, thopiekar 's
May 20 10:32:53 <chem|st> does someone have intel on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70780 ?
May 20 10:33:13 <chem|st> we talked about that issue but afair there was no solution
May 20 10:55:42 <dashavoo> Ok, can anyone explain this to me?
May 20 10:56:10 <dashavoo> My phone went off to be repaired, and came back with the lock-code reset.
May 20 10:56:27 <dashavoo> (reminder: I am the one who had an impossible lock-code)
May 20 10:57:22 <dashavoo> oh man, I will be so angry if they have put an operator lock on my phone! I read about this company doing that to someone!
May 20 11:00:24 <cehteh> the lock code is certainly not *very* secure .. nokia can flash it over
May 20 11:01:38 <dashavoo> hmm
May 20 11:01:41 <cehteh> dunno if there are any simlocked n900's around, but thats rather pointless because you an reflash it completely
May 20 11:01:52 <NIN101> and everyone else can crack it...
May 20 11:01:58 <crashanddie> there is no simlock
May 20 11:02:25 <cehteh> crashanddie: is no .. or just not used? i bet there is some option for simlocking it
May 20 11:02:34 <psycho_oreos> SIM PIN
May 20 11:03:03 <dashavoo> sim pin? That is the villain that stole spiderman's phone, right?
May 20 11:04:04 <psycho_oreos> are you smoking pot or something? SIM PIN can be set on literally any decent phone. It also prompts the user/owner for it before the device can use the services/contacts/details provided by the SIM card
May 20 11:04:07 <dashavoo> Why did they put horrible stuff on my screen? :(, scratches were better than this resin stuff they splashed onto it
May 20 11:04:27 <dashavoo> psycho_oreos: we weren't talking about sim pin numbers
May 20 11:04:38 <dashavoo> or at least, I wasn't
May 20 11:05:12 <crashanddie> There is no operator SIM lock on the N900
May 20 11:06:32 <dashavoo> crashanddie: phew, that is a relief
May 20 11:06:48 <psycho_oreos> and the only way to tell if they put an operator lock on the device is if you try to use another provider's SIM card
May 20 11:08:50 <crashanddie> except I've never seen an operator lock on the N900
May 20 11:09:35 <BCMM> i haven't even heard of one; is it possible/supported by Nokia?
May 20 11:09:40 <chem|st> the people from the island had something like a country lock... ;) stupid...
May 20 11:10:03 <psycho_oreos> neither have I, I purchased my N900 prior to PR1.3 came out, and prior to PR1.3 there were no dialog boxes that allows you to enter to unlock your N900 from operator.
May 20 11:10:04 <chem|st> BCMM: possible but was never supported
May 20 11:10:12 <crashanddie> "The people from the island"?? What is this, Lost?
May 20 11:10:26 <crashanddie> psycho_oreos, yes, there were.
May 20 11:10:50 <nid0> it was either in 1.2 or 1.3 that that unlock option was introduced, it didnt exist originally
May 20 11:11:05 <chem|st> crashanddie: the "not so europe" country on the island northwest of EU
May 20 11:11:09 <psycho_oreos> I thought it was PR1.3 but meh
May 20 11:11:10 <crashanddie> Actually, PR1.1 had it already.
May 20 11:11:28 <crashanddie> PR1.2 introduced a label change of the button
May 20 11:11:30 <chem|st> vodafone uk requested it afair
May 20 11:12:45 <psycho_oreos> they had their own firmware didn't they? that mob
May 20 11:15:35 <dashavoo> psycho_oreos: I think they did
May 20 11:20:20 <RST38h> hemist: About that installer thing
May 20 11:20:56 <RST38h> chemist: I think it may be possible to find out the parent(s) f a process and act based on wherher HAM is there
May 20 11:23:01 <chem|st> RST38h: don't tell me... tell him!
May 20 11:24:39 <RST38h> chemist: you are the one asking not him
May 20 11:35:56 <cehteh> mhm
May 20 11:39:48 <arvut> o/
May 20 11:55:04 <DocScrutinizer> damn, there for sure were SIMlocked N900, you can buy used ones on eBay
May 20 11:57:47 <DocScrutinizer> and why not, the BB5 is used in a plethora of Nokia phones
May 20 11:58:55 <DocScrutinizer> ever wondered what for all the testpoints under battery?
May 20 12:02:43 <chem|st> the dpkg -l from harmattan gives a clue about the rx-71, pretty bad o_O
May 20 12:03:39 <chem|st> RST38h: sry, was asking to reply there ;)
May 20 12:03:50 <chem|st> but didn't
May 20 12:04:10 <DocScrutinizer> rx-71 seems dead
May 20 12:04:43 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: rx-71 == rm686
May 20 12:05:09 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh, what did I miss?
May 20 12:05:18 <chem|st> the only thing called rm686 there is the policy-agreement...
May 20 12:05:34 <chem|st> the stack itself describes as 71
May 20 12:06:02 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, you completely lost me
May 20 12:06:26 <Macer> haha
May 20 12:06:37 <Macer> let me try cups on this thing
May 20 12:06:50 <chem|st> there is a dpkg -l * from harmattan at http://people.collabora.com/~tester/pkgs and it is quiet new
May 20 12:06:54 <Macer> wish there were an X front end for it
May 20 12:07:31 <chem|st> the descriptions say rx-71 but for policy package
May 20 12:09:49 <DocScrutinizer> well, rx-71 note in keymap(?) also once suggested it has only two hw-buttons
May 20 12:10:06 <DocScrutinizer> well, 14 actually
May 20 12:10:13 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: hehe
May 20 12:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> 12 for the usual 0-9#* kbd
May 20 12:10:34 <RST38h> There was also a reference to the 1kWt laser LED.
May 20 12:11:05 <RST38h> (ok, there wasn't, but if I were working on it, I would definitely inserted one into headers, just to make everyone wonder)
May 20 12:11:07 <chem|st> RST38h: the easter-egg they promised to me as I need that handy at work
May 20 12:12:01 <chem|st> the list is at max 4 weeks old as the google cache shows a different list
May 20 12:12:36 <RST38h> AFAIK, RX-71 was an RX-51 prototype board
May 20 12:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> I thought they used a gas-discharge laser for that, a smart dual usage of the built-in electron flash
May 20 12:12:44 <RST38h> But I may be wrong
May 20 12:12:50 <chem|st> damn was cached again yesterday
May 20 12:13:19 <RST38h> Aegis is there
May 20 12:13:30 <chem|st> maybe it is the same board again for testing
May 20 12:13:47 <chem|st> as the n900 was reference hardware
May 20 12:13:54 <RST38h> Looks like it is coming out on Vodafone
May 20 12:14:01 <RST38h> And includes Windows Live, of all things
May 20 12:14:18 <chem|st> and T9 xinput
May 20 12:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> *YAWN*
May 20 12:14:51 <chem|st> s/xinput/oscrkbd/
May 20 12:14:51 <infobot> chem|st meant: and T9 oscrkbd
May 20 12:14:51 * DocScrutinizer realizes it's friday
May 20 12:16:05 <RST38h> There is indeed no Flash Player
May 20 12:16:10 <RST38h> Not in this list anyway
May 20 12:16:30 <chem|st> I don't care about flash
May 20 12:17:32 <chem|st> at least not if its not a highfrequency discharge flash
May 20 12:28:32 * DocScrutinizer feels like beamed back to the time where every day 5 trolls asked here "when will pr1.2 be available?"
May 20 12:29:31 <edheldil> When will PR1.2 be available?
May 20 12:31:32 * DocScrutinizer considers if meego harmattan isn't maybe a ban'able subject. This is #maemo after all ;-P
May 20 12:32:16 <crashanddie> edheldil, 424 days before your ban was removed.
May 20 12:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 20 12:34:35 <edheldil> eh :)
May 20 12:35:17 <Macer> wtf
May 20 12:35:29 <Macer> cups wont accept my root password
May 20 12:35:35 <Macer> argh
May 20 12:35:39 <crashanddie> try: "2girls"
May 20 12:36:04 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 20 12:36:45 <Macer> heh
May 20 12:36:54 <Macer> i dont know why it wont accept it
May 20 12:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> cups borked - using su - ?
May 20 12:38:18 <Macer> i am using the web interface
May 20 12:38:32 <Macer> it picks up my networked laser printer
May 20 12:38:46 <Macer> i can choose it and in the end it asks me for a password
May 20 12:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, I recall having issues with the friggin user acounts in cups more times than I'd like to recall
May 20 12:39:35 <DocScrutinizer> I think there's been a "trick", but for the life of me I can't remember
May 20 12:39:39 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: harmattan is still m6
May 20 12:40:14 <Macer> people in forums use easydeb
May 20 12:40:21 <Macer> i dont want to use a chroot
May 20 12:40:30 <DocScrutinizer> you don't need to
May 20 12:40:41 <DocScrutinizer> I guess
May 20 12:41:09 <DocScrutinizer> the "doesn't accept password" issue is a common one, also on "proper" linux
May 20 12:43:39 <Macer> ok
May 20 12:45:43 <DocScrutinizer> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/jr/.gvfs  -- just in case anybody ever wnats to know where my hate for g* comes from
May 20 12:46:59 <DocScrutinizer> plus THIS IS A KDE SYSTEM!!eleven11!!
May 20 12:48:21 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: you looked at /var/log/cups/* ?
May 20 12:50:18 <crashanddie> I just discovered a bug in my company's product
May 20 12:50:35 <Macer> wtf
May 20 12:50:39 <Macer> i just broke root
May 20 12:50:39 <RST38h> crashanddie: OMG
May 20 12:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> libsasl2, libpam, libkrb... wow this CUPS thing *has* to be secure
May 20 12:50:50 <crashanddie> It only happens every 65536 calls, on wednesdays.
May 20 12:51:03 <RST38h> crash: Is there a specific moon phase required?
May 20 12:51:06 <crashanddie> Nope
May 20 12:51:27 <crashanddie> I have no idea why
May 20 12:51:51 <Macer> hm
May 20 12:52:02 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: hahaha
May 20 12:52:05 <RST38h> crash: Who cares, just replace all shorts with ints =)
May 20 12:52:18 <Macer> i think you have to be in the lpadmin grp
May 20 12:52:46 <Macer> can i just edit /etc/group and add user,root to the end of it?
May 20 12:53:17 <DocScrutinizer> err, basically yes, though not best practice
May 20 12:54:06 <chem|st> N900xray -  not realy?!
May 20 12:54:17 <RST38h> chemist: naaah
May 20 12:54:34 <crashanddie> but there is actually a "if (call_id.get_seed() > MAX_SIZE_ID() && dayofweek() == 3)"
May 20 12:54:44 * DocScrutinizer hates fridays, headache, and no milk for coffee
May 20 12:54:44 <RST38h> chemist: But I am sure you have got the equipment to test =)
May 20 12:54:52 <chem|st> RST38h: was just build...
May 20 12:55:00 <chem|st> RST38h: sure I have
May 20 12:55:24 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: I have a friggin deja-vu
May 20 12:55:37 <RST38h> crashanddie: Is there a comment // We fuck up here, because we can ?
May 20 12:55:48 <crashanddie> oh RST38h, no, of course not.
May 20 12:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: you run this prank on us some year ago?
May 20 12:55:59 <crashanddie> The only comments in the code are those where you remove lines but you're not sure.
May 20 12:56:00 <RST38h> Probably got deleted by the version control system
May 20 12:56:14 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, don't think so?
May 20 12:56:17 <chem|st> we are all in prep for tonights "night that creats knowing"
May 20 12:56:37 <chem|st> I love translat:google
May 20 12:56:44 * RST38h notices with morbid satisfaction that the word "Putin" is being replaced by "*****" in rbc.ru forums
May 20 12:57:02 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, though I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened a few months ago, yeah
May 20 12:57:29 <crashanddie> But just looking at the sheer inconsistency of the code is giving me goosebumps
May 20 12:57:45 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: if this isn't a delusion induced by caffeine withdrawal, then we had a report of an error in code that only happend on particular days of week/month whatever, like months or years ago, here in this chan
May 20 12:57:58 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, yeah, could be, it's the same dev
May 20 12:58:04 <chem|st> in german it is wordplaying as "creat knowledge" is "science" but with a space in between
May 20 12:58:14 <crashanddie> well, I remember pulling out some hairy goofballs of computer science out of his mess
May 20 12:59:19 <crashanddie> the most beautiful one was checking if a file existed, and then opening another one in read-only, and opening yet another one in write-only, to end up never reading nor writing in either of the files
May 20 12:59:23 <chem|st> should I install?!
May 20 12:59:43 <crashanddie> Yet still making the system crash because he tried to open a non-existing file, and didn't test the pointer.
May 20 13:00:09 <RST38h> chemist: of course
May 20 13:00:23 <RST38h> I mean, it won't make your N900 GENERATE xrays, will it?
May 20 13:00:46 <chem|st> could test that as well...
May 20 13:01:19 <chem|st> with enough power you can get anything to emit x-rays...
May 20 13:01:23 <Macer> ugh
May 20 13:01:27 <Macer> still cant get it
May 20 13:01:43 <crashanddie> chem|st, could you get light to emit x-rays?
May 20 13:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: even with a deliberate typo? o.O "wissen schaft"  - oh, how I hate those games
May 20 13:02:07 <chem|st> I backup first
May 20 13:02:47 <jaska> well, light of suitable wavelength is x-rays?:)
May 20 13:03:07 <Macer> E [20/May/2011:07:56:00 -0500] cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 28 (Module is unknown)!
May 20 13:03:12 <Macer> hah
May 20 13:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> "die nacht der wissenschaft"  vs "die nacht die wissen schafft"
May 20 13:04:27 <chem|st> crashanddie: x-ray is a form of "light" if light is a wave between 10m^-8 and 10m^-12 wavelength...
May 20 13:04:40 <chem|st> crashanddie: don't play me pls
May 20 13:04:45 <RST38h> chemist: by heating it up until its spectrum reaches xray range? =)
May 20 13:05:18 <crashanddie> and accelerating its frequency
May 20 13:06:39 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: the first is a campus only thing the second is from our city projected for science facilities all around the campus... we are located at the "science-mile" the street that passes through between campus and university-residence-area
May 20 13:07:28 <chem|st> RST38h: accelerating
May 20 13:07:50 <chem|st> RST38h: what he said...
May 20 13:07:58 <RST38h> Ah
May 20 13:08:02 <chem|st> sry distracted over here :)
May 20 13:08:15 <Macer> got it
May 20 13:08:23 <Macer> but now i am missing foomatic?
May 20 13:08:29 <Macer> wtf
May 20 13:09:35 <crashanddie> this being said, AFAIK, we don't really know how to manipulate photons, unless you somehow (and I'm really out of my knowledge field here, feel free to correct me) bounce them off electrons, so my initial point still stands: You can't really play with a photon without getting it back to the electron state first.
May 20 13:10:35 <chem|st> crashanddie: gimme light I give you a solar-charged-xray-gun human mountable
May 20 13:10:48 <Macer> Unable to start filter "foomatic-rip" - No such file or directory.
May 20 13:11:10 <crashanddie> chem|st, and you have to shoot someone 30 times so that it kills him 40 years later, I'll pass, thanks.
May 20 13:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: what's been the problem?
May 20 13:11:29 <crashanddie> Considering I can buy a gun that shoots black powder for a hundred quid, and is legal to own and carry around.
May 20 13:11:40 <chem|st> I would estimate 2 weeks to build it, and the guy wearing the suit should be able to handle 60kg for at least 10min
May 20 13:12:15 <chem|st> crashanddie: actualy no about one hit if a head shot
May 20 13:12:25 <crashanddie> The thing that always cracked me up was Superman
May 20 13:12:33 <crashanddie> He was told to have X-Ray vision
May 20 13:12:59 <crashanddie> But..., ok, so his eyes shoot out x-rays, cool. How does his xray retina get the information back, if it doesn't bounce on anything?
May 20 13:13:34 <chem|st> x-ray vision does not work with x-rays afaik
May 20 13:13:46 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: i got the printer added
May 20 13:13:57 <Macer> but there isnt a foomatic-filters in any repos
May 20 13:13:58 <chem|st> it is just a made up name as you can look through like with x-rays
May 20 13:13:59 <Macer> :(
May 20 13:14:00 * DocScrutinizer points one of the lead rods of his orbital xray laser at crashanddie's position
May 20 13:14:23 <crashanddie> chem|st, ok, fair enough
May 20 13:14:31 <crashanddie> yet again, it's something that goes through objects
May 20 13:14:35 <crashanddie> how does it bounce back?
May 20 13:15:05 <chem|st> yeah it is just the name not the technique
May 20 13:15:09 <nid0> it only goes through as many objects as you conveniently happen to want it to, then bounces off the next thing back through them all
May 20 13:15:10 <nid0> duh
May 20 13:15:14 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: yes, but how did you solve the "wrong password" issue?
May 20 13:16:20 <Macer> installed libpam-modules
May 20 13:16:47 <Macer> now i am stuck on foomatic-filters
May 20 13:17:03 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: sounds like a combination of a ion-gun and a gama detector
May 20 13:17:17 <DocScrutinizer> gamma*
May 20 13:17:38 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: nice. thanks
May 20 13:17:43 <chem|st> crashanddie: don't know if the base is soundwaves
May 20 13:18:30 <RST38h> Doc: Will you use the lead road as a ...mhmm... kinetic weapon? =)
May 20 13:18:40 <RST38h> s/road/rod
May 20 13:19:49 <DocScrutinizer> nah, lead rods are the laser medium of a nuclear powered xray laser that definitely doesn't take 30 years to kill anything, no matter if living or a rocket
May 20 13:20:56 <edheldil> crashanddie:  we (as in ... we Earth ;-)) can manipulate photons with gravity. And you will make x-ray photons from visible-light ones by moving fast enough towards the light source, I think
May 20 13:21:22 <Macer> im lost
May 20 13:21:34 <Macer> i need foomatic-filters but cssu doesnt have it
May 20 13:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> aiui those aren't arch specific
May 20 13:22:38 <Macer> meaning i can use an x86 deb?
May 20 13:22:40 <Macer> :)
May 20 13:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe not directly
May 20 13:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> but you should definitely look into that deb and maybe extract a few files and copy to N900
May 20 13:24:21 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not at all sure about that, but it's the idea I'd try
May 20 13:25:18 <Macer> i found a deb
May 20 13:26:04 <chem|st> edheldil: accelerating electrons emits x-rays so "accelerating" onto a light source will for sure emit x-rays ;)
May 20 13:26:24 <chem|st> and x-rays are visible
May 20 13:28:19 <chem|st> hehe
May 20 13:28:58 <chem|st> the scanner detects if the screen is open or closed and shows a x-rayed n900 afterwards with the right possition - lol
May 20 13:29:18 <Macer> hm
May 20 13:44:38 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative#X-ray_laser
May 20 13:45:42 <RST38h> Doc: Proposed by Edward Teller, who else!
May 20 13:45:47 <Khertan> Hello !
May 20 13:45:52 <RST38h> ehlo khertan
May 20 13:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: you know x-rays will kill your N900 quite fast
May 20 13:49:07 <DocScrutinizer> x-rays are a quite effective way to erase all flash memory. Also the small ones you tend to forget about (ALS, camera, BT, accelerometer, modem[not so small], whatnot)
May 20 13:49:33 <DocScrutinizer> also they kill the microphone, if it's a electret type
May 20 13:51:08 <DocScrutinizer> if you're interested, I can send you a link to the ds of mic used in FR, it has detailed info about max kEV and whatnot, that the component can stand for N times
May 20 13:52:03 <psycho_oreos> that would be troublesome for carrying it onboard the aircraft by means of putting the electronic goods on yourself
May 20 13:53:04 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: well, those x-ray machines are even photo-film safe nowadays, afaik
May 20 13:53:35 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: nvm... yes I know that EM-pulses and X-rays are the most effective things against electronics
May 20 13:53:56 <psycho_oreos> that's good :D otherwise my N900 wouldn't have had a nice journey being exposed to excessive X-rays in a short amount of timeframe
May 20 13:55:37 <Khertan> Debate of the day : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qeZY6h9gBVM#t=51s < is it an n950 ?
May 20 13:56:03 <RST38h> chemist: Sledgehammer is more effective though
May 20 13:56:14 <RST38h> And a blender of course!
May 20 13:59:10 <psycho_oreos> Khertan, what the device being filmed?
May 20 14:04:19 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 20 14:04:25 <Macer> wtf
May 20 14:04:33 <Macer> where does maemo put gcc?
May 20 14:04:49 <DocScrutinizer> there's no gcc on maemo
May 20 14:04:50 <Macer> i installed gcc-4.2-base
May 20 14:06:00 <Macer> escription: The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) This package contains files common to all languages and libraries contained in the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)
May 20 14:06:07 <zakkkkm> "which gcc"
May 20 14:07:36 <Macer> ?
May 20 14:08:06 <Macer> i am trying to build foomatic-filters on the device
May 20 14:09:31 <n951evil> build-essentials
May 20 14:09:40 <n951evil> not just gcc
May 20 14:09:54 <jaska> why not on sdk?:)
May 20 14:11:29 <Macer> n951evil: there is no build-essentials pkg
May 20 14:12:45 <Macer> ah well. worked on this for a bit too long as it is
May 20 14:12:51 <Macer> going to take a time out
May 20 14:14:19 <Khertan> psycho_oreos: the reflect on the filmed device :)
May 20 14:18:24 <Macer> jaska: i remember the sdk being a total pain
May 20 14:24:15 <jaska> macer: sortof.. probably slightly less painful than compiling stuff on phone tho
May 20 14:26:27 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: I suggest searching for details about N9??? in chicken giblets or goose innards
May 20 14:26:50 <Khertan> :)
May 20 14:27:07 <Khertan> http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/ctia2011-2/samsung/phones/3.jpg <<< hum ... finally there is android phone with hw keyboard
May 20 14:27:44 <DocScrutinizer> also white noise aka snow on old unrecorded video tapes might be a good source of reliable info
May 20 14:28:24 <Khertan> http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/ctia2011-2/htc/8.jpg
May 20 14:28:34 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer: of course !
May 20 14:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: umm, so what's been this: http://handylist.de/images/handys/453/original_Motorola-Milestone.jpg ??
May 20 14:30:03 <derf> Khertan: I've had an Android phone with a hw keyboard for 6 or 8 months now.
May 20 14:30:26 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer: in fact for the moment i'm more interested by a new battery for my n900 not too much priced but which aren't a fake
May 20 14:30:35 <n951evil> macer build essentials is in the sdk repo.
May 20 14:30:40 <n951evil> not optified
May 20 14:30:40 <Khertan> derf: oh ... didn't know there was ...
May 20 14:30:55 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: "even" photofilm? you need a larger amount of energy to see x-ray images on photofilm than with those luminance-films
May 20 14:31:03 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer: motorola... i ll never buy a product from them
May 20 14:31:11 <derf> Khertan: Droid2 has been out for a while now.
May 20 14:31:21 <derf> Of course, it's from Motorola.
May 20 14:31:41 <Khertan> :(
May 20 14:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: luminance-film?
May 20 14:32:25 <Khertan> derf: did there is some apps done in python in the stores ?
May 20 14:32:34 <derf> Gekk if I know.
May 20 14:32:45 <derf> I only use it for development.
May 20 14:32:57 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: ancient style x-ray "phosphor" screens?
May 20 14:33:01 <Macer> n951evil: ah ok
May 20 14:33:08 <Macer> let me add the repo
May 20 14:33:23 <derf> For which the hw keyboard is a godsend... I find it physically impossible to type on the vkb.
May 20 14:33:53 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer: http://www.meegofrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Clone-N9-03.jpg ;)
May 20 14:34:01 <DocScrutinizer> n951evil: who are you, and what's that weird nick?
May 20 14:34:36 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: there is a x-ray-active material with photo-active material mixed in a film - that is what they use today - state of the art is digital
May 20 14:34:38 <Khertan> derf: this is why i ask i ll use it for dev only ... but i like to do onboard dev ... so sometime i do python code for the device i use :)
May 20 14:34:54 <Khertan> derf: so if i can't release any python app with it ... it  s a no go for me :)
May 20 14:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: sure
May 20 14:36:28 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: a reuseable chassis-box in the size of the old film boxes to be useable with the older machines too
May 20 14:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> costs more than gold I guess
May 20 14:37:31 <chem|st> sure
May 20 14:37:56 <chem|st> the weight in gold would be cheaper I guess
May 20 14:39:46 <DocScrutinizer> hundereds of 1" camera sensors, plus maybe special leadglass based fibreoptics, dunno what they actually use
May 20 14:39:56 <crashanddie> guys, are you seriously still talking about the xray thingy?
May 20 14:40:11 <DocScrutinizer> it's friday :-S
May 20 14:40:22 <crashanddie> FRIDAY FRIDAY GOTTA GET DOWN ON FRIDAY
May 20 14:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> for now I'm most excited about n951evil and his nick ;-P
May 20 14:41:24 <DocScrutinizer> not registered
May 20 14:41:33 <crashanddie> Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday. To day it is Friday, Friday. We we we so excited. We so excited. We gonna have a ball today. Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday, comes afterwooooords.
May 20 14:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> while speedevil has vanished :-/
May 20 14:42:19 <crashanddie> I DON'T WANT THIS WEEKEND TO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND
May 20 14:43:55 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like a therapeutic song straight from the manager burnout treatment closed facility
May 20 14:45:02 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, you don't know this song?
May 20 14:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> no?
May 20 14:45:16 <crashanddie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
May 20 14:45:35 <crashanddie> Most "disliked" song on YouTube.
May 20 14:45:50 <DocScrutinizer> lemme guess why ;-P
May 20 14:46:01 <crashanddie> It's the male version of Justin Bieber.
May 20 14:50:11 <Khertan> crashanddie: i can clearly understand what it s the most disliked
May 20 14:51:48 <Khertan> crashanddie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlY3ZTrBkw&feature=related
May 20 14:52:02 <crashanddie> yeah yeah, I know it :)
May 20 14:53:08 <Khertan> crashanddie: there is really many parody ... even metal
May 20 14:55:08 <n951evil> docs: It's just my n900 with a broken n900 xchat as I forgot my password. I'm currently sitting under a tree, waiting for a bus.
May 20 14:57:04 <jaska> better than sitting under a bus, waiting for a tree.
May 20 14:58:28 <crashanddie> Better than bussing a tree, sitting on a wait.
May 20 14:59:20 <trx> lol
May 20 15:03:05 <Termana> Why are you all obsessing over Rebecca Black when we are all about to die!
May 20 15:03:07 <Termana> :p
May 20 15:03:25 <n951evil> Because it's Friday?
May 20 15:03:42 <ShadowJK> friday friday friday
May 20 15:03:46 <Termana> No it's not. It's Saturday fools
May 20 15:04:07 <chem|st> Termana: what do I do at work then?
May 20 15:04:12 <Termana> Talk to me when your on the right part of the world
May 20 15:04:19 <Termana> chem|st, tell your boss to STICK IT
May 20 15:04:30 <Termana> the post it note on the wall that is
May 20 15:04:30 <chem|st> up his
May 20 15:05:56 <Termana> Besides, this is all further evidence that the world is ending
May 20 15:06:11 <crashanddie> Termana, really, it's already 2187, you're just on the retarded part of the galaxy.
May 20 15:06:22 <chem|st> we got some time left... at least one year and a few month
May 20 15:06:27 <crashanddie> the year 2187, that is.
May 20 15:06:32 <Termana> The IRC channel is talking about Rebecca Black, thereby the IRC channel has become worse than tmo
May 20 15:06:38 <Termana> MUST BE END TIMES
May 20 15:06:39 <chem|st> crashanddie: actualy 2012
May 20 15:06:48 <Termana> chem|st, lol
May 20 15:06:53 <crashanddie> chem|st, only if you're a light year away
May 20 15:07:02 <chem|st> WTF is Rebecca Black?
May 20 15:07:04 <crashanddie> chem|st, we're 2187 here.
May 20 15:07:12 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: YOU are talking about that subject
May 20 15:07:51 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: WTF is Alice - that's the correct wording!
May 20 15:08:01 <chem|st> crashanddie: you are talking about the misscalculations because of 40th birthdays set to 1700 and stuff alike right?!
May 20 15:08:19 <crashanddie> I am not.
May 20 15:08:26 <crashanddie> I am talking to you from the other end of the galaxy
May 20 15:08:30 <crashanddie> Hence the difference timestamp.
May 20 15:08:43 <chem|st> I am going nuts by learnin ishihara images by heart and you, you talk about Rebecca Black!
May 20 15:08:53 <crashanddie> I'm just reading the historical logs from your era, and sending hyper-powerful wifi bursts to earth.
May 20 15:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> I'm talking to you from virtual space, and I tell you your time sucks
May 20 15:09:15 <Termana> crashanddie, I don't believe you. You are still running on a 32-bit machine and it's past 2038
May 20 15:09:26 <crashanddie> I'm not running 32-bit
May 20 15:09:29 <chem|st> crashanddie: good morning then!
May 20 15:09:40 <chem|st> crashanddie: lmg 256?!
May 20 15:09:53 <crashanddie> Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die. Killed by a giant fireman: Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die.
May 20 15:09:59 <crashanddie> Woops, recursion fail.
May 20 15:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> even your idea of time is... solly
May 20 15:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> silly*
May 20 15:10:17 <crashanddie> Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die. Killed by a giant fireman: http://media.fukung.net/images/15853/4bb7d70a15ceeaa0aa68188f0a12514f.jpg#
May 20 15:10:23 <chem|st> there is no time
May 20 15:10:36 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I know "there is no spoon"...
May 20 15:10:39 <crashanddie> The only measure of a clock in another clock.
May 20 15:10:44 <trx> there is only time
May 20 15:10:57 <chem|st> trx: wrong, there is only files
May 20 15:11:02 <trx> space is a snapshot at a time fragment
May 20 15:11:13 <trx> chem|st true :)
May 20 15:11:21 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: hey, you got a glimpse at the truth
May 20 15:11:23 <chem|st> trx: wrong, that is what is left on my sdd...
May 20 15:11:55 <crashanddie> Termana, you suffer of koro.
May 20 15:11:56 <chem|st> in your case maybe only ssd
May 20 15:14:28 <chem|st> and I suffer from cyberbrain sclerosis...
May 20 15:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> even spam goes friday madness - got a job offer from "NOBLE RECRUITMENT NIG LTD" "Chevron Nigeria Limited", sender: NOBLE CONSULTANT <redneckchris@gmail.com>   reply-to: noblerecruitment@w.cn  - LOL
May 20 15:15:35 <crashanddie> "redneckchris". Seems legit for a "noble" person.
May 20 15:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 20 15:16:02 <DocScrutinizer> w.cn also looks rather assuring
May 20 15:16:25 <DocScrutinizer> no to mention "NIGERIA" at large
May 20 15:16:44 <chem|st> ew my tachikoma drank natural oil again
May 20 15:17:05 <DocScrutinizer> sure I'll send my full resume - I'll even include bank account details
May 20 15:17:38 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: don't forget your credit card details^^
May 20 15:20:39 <Termana> crashanddie, what are you doing looking at Richard anyway?
May 20 15:20:57 <crashanddie> sorry?
May 20 15:21:07 <Termana> <crashanddie> Termana, you suffer of koro.
May 20 15:21:27 <Termana> You're telling me I'm suffering of dick shrinkage
May 20 15:21:33 <Termana> What are you looking for anyway?
May 20 15:25:41 <Termana> Yeah, that's what I thought you had to say on the matter.
May 20 15:25:49 <Termana> :p
May 20 15:26:01 <crashanddie> You should /nick MrAnderson
May 20 15:26:13 <crashanddie> Because if you keep going like this, in a few minutes you won't have a mouth anymore
May 20 15:28:20 <Termana> Aww. You poor little flower. Did I hurt your feelings?
May 20 15:29:29 <crashanddie> Termana, good morning: http://media.fukung.net/images/28684/d5da64aa431d57517a2578fe830247f6.jpg
May 20 15:44:13 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: your trolling isn't really amusing most of the time
May 20 15:51:28 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, probably I should +q myself, as I'm in a really grumpy mood now
May 20 15:51:33 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430   ☕
May 20 15:51:46 <kerio> crashanddie: haha
May 20 16:06:25 <lolcat> Any news on the N9?
May 20 16:08:35 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, somebody seen a giant version of it (>500ly length) at the border of our neighbour galaxy
May 20 16:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> (somebody picked up a one and hit your head with it)
May 20 16:10:37 <DocScrutinizer> Bone even
May 20 16:11:58 <DocScrutinizer> the new 'leaked promo' in 3D, soon to come
May 20 16:26:25 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: Do you need glasses and a 600hz tv to see it?
May 20 16:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> no, it'll use a revolutionary new tech that will show it 3D movie even when printed on a sheet of paper
May 20 16:29:26 <DocScrutinizer> does only work for human eye, not for arbitrary cameras etc, as it's using some neuronal effects in retina
May 20 16:56:01 <BCMM> what can i do to reduce the n900's power usage, while backing things up over wlan?
May 20 16:56:06 <BCMM> i've already removed the SIM
May 20 16:58:42 <cehteh> disable desktop widgets when there are active ones, dont play music, keep display off
May 20 16:59:20 <cehteh> disable gsm maybe too (but standby doesnt suck much power)
May 20 17:00:28 <cehteh> when you dont charge, then dont connect usb, that keeps the cpu quite busy too, but i guess you ask because the usb port came loose? :)
May 20 17:03:50 <Sc0rpius> what I would do is backup everything to the microSD card and then take it out
May 20 17:03:57 <Sc0rpius> instead of backing everything up over WiFi
May 20 17:04:06 <Sc0rpius> and I'm assuming the USB port came loose as well
May 20 17:05:18 <RST38h> Google has shut down its five-year old effort to digitizes back issues of the world's newspapers.
May 20 17:05:32 <BCMM> cehteh: is there a way to make GSM more disabled than it is with no SIM?
May 20 17:05:50 <cehteh> mhm no :)
May 20 17:06:07 <BCMM> actually, can you make emergency calls without a SIM?
May 20 17:06:11 <Sc0rpius> no
May 20 17:06:38 <DocScrutinizer51> BCMM: set wlan TX pwr to 10mW
May 20 17:06:40 <Sc0rpius> I don't think so, but there's an offline mode that turns off all the GSM radio even if the SIM is inserted
May 20 17:06:43 <cehteh> old dumbphone once could, but that was abused to often so they dropped support for it
May 20 17:06:45 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer51: thanks! forgot about that one
May 20 17:06:55 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer51: what effects does that have? simply reducing range?
May 20 17:07:03 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
May 20 17:07:17 <BCMM> i mean, it won't effect transfer speed, provided it's close enough to the router?
May 20 17:07:17 <cehteh> the normal 'offline mode' also disables wlan .. but there is an applet for switching to tablet mode
May 20 17:08:04 <DocScrutinizer51> meh, without SIM there's no need for tablet mode
May 20 17:08:24 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer51: that's probably why that applet disappears when the SIM is out
May 20 17:09:20 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders about 911 calls
May 20 17:11:00 <edheldil> I think you should be able too
May 20 17:11:15 <DocScrutinizer51> not that it matters much, at least here in D, as they switched off the 911 calls without SIM
May 20 17:12:02 <BCMM> 84.4M   MyDocs/backups/FailedUSB/comm_and_cal.zip <-- what?
May 20 17:12:07 <edheldil> my treo was able to call emergency numbers even without SIM, I have found out when I gave it to my baby daughter while she was crying and she managed by pure luck to dial police :)
May 20 17:12:50 <BCMM> edheldil: heh, i've been told that i once called emergency services when i was small too
May 20 17:13:04 <BCMM> i mean, too small to know the number, just by mashing buttons on a landline
May 20 17:13:16 <edheldil> yes, here it's 112
May 20 17:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> and doesn't work anymore, without SIM
May 20 17:13:44 <edheldil> and treo's lock was intuitively unlockable by infants
May 20 17:13:59 <BCMM> ah, the communications and calendar backup seems to contain the profile pics of everybody i know
May 20 17:14:14 <BCMM> that's still bit though
May 20 17:14:24 <BCMM> i don't think i have 84 megabytes of facebook friends
May 20 17:14:29 <BCMM> s/bit/big/
May 20 17:14:30 <edheldil> I think that here it's mandatory, you have to be able to eg call 112 even without credit
May 20 17:14:53 <BCMM> ah
May 20 17:14:58 <BCMM> a copy of my inbox
May 20 17:15:19 <DocScrutinizer> edheldil: general requirements say you must be able to call 911/112/foo even when you don't know PIN or lockcode of device
May 20 17:15:40 <edheldil> ah, true
May 20 17:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> edheldil: here in Germany you still can call 112 without credit, but not anymore without SIM inserted (seems they got too many "testcalls" - and never heard of IMEI)
May 20 17:22:48 <lolcat> edheldil: NOrway!
May 20 17:23:45 <toresbe> YAY NORWAY!
May 20 17:24:08 <toresbe> Wait, what are we discussing...
May 20 17:24:27 <lolcat> toresbe: Emergency numbers
May 20 17:25:40 <toresbe> aha. Yeah, 112 is an EU standard.
May 20 17:25:53 <DocScrutinizer> actually
May 20 17:25:55 <jaska> also gsm afaik
May 20 17:26:00 <toresbe> Even though Norway has had the good sense to avoid an EU membership (huzzah!) we've still implemented it.
May 20 17:26:13 <DocScrutinizer> jaska: not really
May 20 17:26:23 <toresbe> Yeah. 112 is the GSM standard emergency number.
May 20 17:26:37 <jaska> maybe not de jure
May 20 17:26:38 <toresbe> If your country does not use 112, the carrier is obligated to forward you to the equivalent.
May 20 17:27:06 <toresbe> It works like + for the int'l prefix.
May 20 17:27:26 <jaska> used to be 000 here
May 20 17:27:27 <DocScrutinizer> toresbe: the carrier / GSM standard provides a way for ME to query actual emergency numbers
May 20 17:28:21 <toresbe> jaska: wow, unless you're in Sweden that's a seriously bad idea
May 20 17:28:31 <jaska> finland
May 20 17:28:55 <toresbe> Hm. Finland uses the standard rotary dial, right?
May 20 17:29:06 <jaska> used
May 20 17:29:16 <DocScrutinizer> everybody did ;-D
May 20 17:29:19 <toresbe> no, uses, you can still pulse dial on a POTS line, try it. :)
May 20 17:29:24 <jaska> yeah
May 20 17:29:33 <jaska> i have accidentally dialed 112 with the hook before
May 20 17:29:35 <toresbe> DocScrutinizer: Nope. Sweden had 0 at the other end of the scale.
May 20 17:29:46 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 20 17:30:01 <jaska> iirc 0 was the longest pull on rotary
May 20 17:30:07 <toresbe> yep, precisely
May 20 17:30:17 <toresbe> DocScrutinizer: And the city of Oslo and New Zealand go 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 with ascending number of pulses.
May 20 17:30:20 <DocScrutinizer> 10 pulses
May 20 17:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> OUCH
May 20 17:30:48 <DocScrutinizer> insane
May 20 17:30:54 <jaska> hmm.. but 1 was 1 or 2 pulses
May 20 17:31:15 <toresbe> Yes, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 with ascending number of pulses is the international standard.
May 20 17:31:27 <DocScrutinizer> 10 pulses = 0
May 20 17:31:34 <toresbe> yes, everywhere but Sweden.
May 20 17:31:39 <BCMM> toresbe: iirc, touch tone exchanges don't have to support pulse-dialing
May 20 17:31:44 * DocScrutinizer shakes head
May 20 17:31:51 <BCMM> (though i don't know of a country where they don't)
May 20 17:32:27 <toresbe> DocScrutinizer: it wasn't until some time like the 70s or 80s that one could get from one phone company to another by way of direct dialling, so it's not a big a weirdness as you might think.
May 20 17:32:34 <BCMM> my stupidest emergency call was trying to get australian customer services in the UK (roaming)
May 20 17:32:44 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: it doesn't really matter nowadays, as the network signalling is out-of-band anyway
May 20 17:32:56 <toresbe> in most countries...
May 20 17:33:05 <BCMM> the SIM came with a contact for customer services. i didn't even see that it started with 999 till i rang it...
May 20 17:33:07 <toresbe> You can still hear MF if you know where to listen. :)
May 20 17:33:39 <jaska> mf? i bet they have filters for that most places :D
May 20 17:33:40 <toresbe> An acquaintance of mine managed to get a hold of a US phone number which was all the same digit.
May 20 17:34:08 <toresbe> Being a phone geek, he was very happy about it, until he started getting phone calls with nobody on the other end.
May 20 17:34:30 <jaska> best so far for me was having 0505053666
May 20 17:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> HAH
May 20 17:34:31 <toresbe> Or baby sounds followed not long after by "Hey what are you doing with that phone over there?"
May 20 17:34:33 <jaska> back in the 90s
May 20 17:35:10 <toresbe> He had to give it up eventually, to his chagrin.
May 20 17:35:22 <DocScrutinizer> funiest thing about pulse dialing were 11/12/13 pulses
May 20 17:36:00 <toresbe> ?
May 20 17:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> quite a lot of funny stuff you can reach on these "numvers"
May 20 17:36:43 <SpeedEvil1> There are DTMF equivalents.
May 20 17:36:46 <SpeedEvil1> Well - there were.
May 20 17:36:59 <DocScrutinizer> e.g Germany ha "00" 11th hole in rotary, on the manual international exchanges only
May 20 17:37:00 <SpeedEvil1> You used to be able to get stuff on dialing A-F
May 20 17:37:02 <SpeedEvil1> A-D
May 20 17:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> not anymore afaik, SpeedEvil
May 20 17:37:30 <jaska> yeah, i added a switch to my old dtmf phone to dial a-d
May 20 17:37:40 <jaska> and some dtmf phones came with the keys
May 20 17:37:49 <SpeedEvil> I know.
May 20 17:37:50 <toresbe> like the AUTOVON phones
May 20 17:37:52 <SpeedEvil> See 'used'
May 20 17:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> even some beeper keyrings used for TAM remote
May 20 17:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> and it was rather convenient to use those beeper things on public phones built in the pulse dial area
May 20 17:39:40 <DocScrutinizer> you could place call free of charge, though only for 0.5s until the first fee was due
May 20 17:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> on airports and railway stations there used to be phones with a board with "shortdial" keys for caling hotels. Those were really handy for placing arbitrary free calls by using DTMF
May 20 17:44:07 <DocScrutinizer> me wonders where's the "DTMF generator" app for N900
May 20 17:44:22 <DocScrutinizer> via speakers of course
May 20 17:45:44 <DocScrutinizer> good ole 6210 could do this, though quite a tad to low volume usually
May 20 17:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> ootb
May 20 17:49:24 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: turns out the bootvid wasn't the version i use on the phone
May 20 17:49:37 <BCMM> i have one with the framerate matched to the n900 screen refresh, much smoother
May 20 17:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> mhmmmm
May 20 17:49:52 <BCMM> (found now that i've got my battery charged)
May 20 17:49:56 <BCMM> i'll upload
May 20 17:55:40 <DocScrutinizer> great
May 20 17:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> lo javispedro
May 20 17:55:50 <DocScrutinizer> o/ bbl
May 20 17:55:54 <javispedro> afternoon
May 20 17:56:02 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: smooth version of boot vid: http://benmorris.org.uk/dontpanic.avi
May 20 17:56:06 <BCMM> no, that's a 404
May 20 17:56:11 <BCMM> ttp://benmorris.org.uk/bootscreen/dontpanic.avi
May 20 17:56:41 <BCMM> you know, i'll give up at this point. add an h to that, i'm clearly not competent to.
May 20 18:06:07 <BCMM> how does the backup app decide what to include as settings?
May 20 18:06:38 <alterego> Just got on a bus into town, there's only some random guy with an N900 sitting next to me.
May 20 18:07:54 <BCMM> alterego: reckon he's in this channel?
May 20 18:08:26 <SpeedEvil> alterego: I assume you weren't in Scotland?
May 20 18:08:28 <alterego> Heh, he's just listening to music at the moment.
May 20 18:08:31 <SpeedEvil> If so, that was me!
May 20 18:08:39 <SpeedEvil> You aren't a hot girl with purple hair?
May 20 18:08:41 <alterego> No heading from Bar Hill to Cambridge
May 20 18:08:49 <alterego> SpeedEvil: yes? :P
May 20 18:09:12 * SpeedEvil imagines alterego as a hot girl with purple hair anyway.
May 20 18:09:22 <BCMM> that's the magic of IRC
May 20 18:09:32 <alterego> :)
May 20 18:09:36 <alterego> hello big boy
May 20 18:09:39 <BCMM> i'm looking inside settings.zip, and i really don't get it - is there some system to register your application with the backup app?
May 20 18:09:53 <alterego> Is that an N900 in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?
May 20 18:10:33 <alterego> Okay, that's weird, he's talking to it like a star trek communicator.
May 20 18:11:36 <alterego> I should have bought out my three and just stuck them to my body
May 20 18:15:02 <BCMM> ah, one puts files in /etc/osso-backup/
May 20 18:15:21 <BCMM> alterego: three star trek communicators?
May 20 18:15:27 <BCMM> or three n900s?
May 20 18:15:52 <BCMM> do you carry a cluster for faster calculations or something?
May 20 18:16:13 <MohammadAG> no, he wants 9*3 homescreens
May 20 18:16:32 <alterego> Yes, 3 N900s
May 20 18:17:16 <MohammadAG> the N900 still sells for about $500 locally
May 20 18:18:45 <alterego> I'm keeping one for a museum peice.
May 20 18:18:55 <slonopotamus> the fact that something sells doesn't mean it is bought...
May 20 18:19:07 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: clearly he's using pocketsphinx
May 20 18:38:07 <jacekowski> does anybody have a job for me
May 20 18:38:09 <jacekowski> in the UK
May 20 18:38:11 <jacekowski> paid job
May 20 18:44:56 <GAN900> Ubuntu keeps deciding I have a 700Wh battery
May 20 18:45:18 <ds3> Nice
May 20 18:46:28 * GAN900 wishes
May 20 18:48:55 <jacekowski> ubuntu sucks
May 20 18:54:36 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: eeew, welcome to the club :-/
May 20 19:00:10 <Sicelo_> which club DocScrutinizer? seeking employment?
May 20 19:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 20 19:08:29 <Sicelo_> ~DocScrutinizer
May 20 19:08:30 <infobot> from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
May 20 19:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> well, that's correct, apart from the fact OM the Inc. doesn't exist anymore
May 20 19:11:30 <Sicelo_> ok. i didn't know about OM till i started hanging out in this chan
May 20 19:19:38 <ZogG> Sicelo_ don;t believe him
May 20 19:19:42 <ZogG> he is a liar
May 20 19:19:47 <ZogG> he is bot
May 20 19:20:00 <ZogG> sup Doc
May 20 19:20:09 <ZogG> it reminds me of bug bunny
May 20 19:25:54 <Sicelo_> who's lying ZogG ?
May 20 19:26:07 <Technomike> hey guys :D
May 20 19:26:15 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer,
May 20 19:28:08 <Technomike> finally got my n900 back from Nokia Care. The USB port came out of the phone. They just did a replacement and have given me a whole new N900.
May 20 19:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo_: nevermind ZogG
May 20 19:31:54 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer тщ шкщтн =)
May 20 19:32:03 <ZogG> no irony
May 20 19:32:26 <DocScrutinizer> badmouthing won't earn you karma
May 20 19:33:33 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i'm not a karma whore
May 20 19:33:42 <ZogG> damn iPhone sucks
May 20 19:33:51 <ZogG> i can't even sync music as any app needs hal
May 20 19:33:56 <ZogG> hal is so yesterday
May 20 19:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: you know why you're not yet kickbanned? Just because it's been me you called a liar, and I'm very reluctant to (ab)use chanop power when it's about me. Do this to anybody else and I promise you'll be banned faster than you can ponder to add "just kidding"
May 20 19:36:58 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer are you F serious?
May 20 19:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> yes, dfinitely
May 20 19:37:19 <ZogG> than i can't help you
May 20 19:37:21 <ZogG> sorry for you
May 20 19:37:50 <Cor-Ai> hehe why is the rum gone? hehe because i drank it all! hehe
May 20 19:38:03 <ZogG> or you probably forgot me and what and how i write or you have women's days in a month right now =)
May 20 19:38:50 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: it's NOT about me - it's about the other 371 users here
May 20 19:39:07 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i do love you but right now you acting like a childish jerk if you even considered to take it seriously
May 20 19:39:16 <DocScrutinizer> who most likely don't get your screwed humour
May 20 19:39:27 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer do you really care what anyone will think of you over internet?
May 20 19:39:40 <DocScrutinizer> definitely
May 20 19:39:52 <ZogG> or you really need to prove to those 371 user (as we don't count) who you are and what you worth
May 20 19:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> and you're a fool if you don't
May 20 19:40:03 <ZogG> i do not care
May 20 19:40:58 <ZogG> ok, Sicelo_, actually DocScrutinizer is one of the guys who do understand a lot in hardware and did help me a lot and he is smart and good guy, i'm just fooling around
May 20 19:41:03 <DocScrutinizer> tomorrow my next customer will google for my email and irc nicks, and I don't like him to find a "doc is a liar" in chanlog
May 20 19:41:11 <ZogG> Sicelo_, i'm serious here
May 20 19:41:20 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, now i restored your honor and you can ban me
May 20 19:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> I won't now :-)
May 20 19:41:38 <ZogG> but i do want
May 20 19:41:53 <ZogG> as you are acting too serious and it's boring
May 20 19:42:01 <ZogG> i used to you being Skynet
May 20 19:43:05 <DocScrutinizer> skynet is deterministic, even for the pseudorandom human factor implemented for your convenience
May 20 20:00:56 <Macer> how do i extract a .deb?
May 20 20:01:02 <Macer> so i can get a file out of it
May 20 20:01:18 <Macer> i am trying to find a non-foomatic ppd file to use on the n900
May 20 20:01:34 <Macer> for the life of me i can't find a foomatic that will work on the n900 :(
May 20 20:03:38 <Sicelo_> xarchiver should be able to do it
May 20 20:04:14 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: mc did a great job for me
May 20 20:06:13 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: but all those CUPS filters rely on quite a number of converter tools, which maybe aren't included as RDEPENDS in CUPS.deb for fremantle
May 20 20:06:14 <Macer> ar vx does it
May 20 20:06:15 <Macer> ;)
May 20 20:06:32 <Macer> oh
May 20 20:06:39 <Macer> yeah well then.. i guess i give up on cups on the n900 :(
May 20 20:06:44 <DocScrutinizer> at least that's my 2 cents
May 20 20:06:56 <Macer> i was able to add the printer but without foomatic it is useless
May 20 20:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: you should talk to the maintainer of the package
May 20 20:07:29 <Macer> there is no foomatic pkg ;)
May 20 20:07:33 <Macer> or do you mean of cups?
May 20 20:07:49 <DocScrutinizer> it's a sane assumption he packed a .deb that did something useful for him
May 20 20:07:59 <Macer> i suppose
May 20 20:08:06 <Macer> there are probably printers that do not require foomatic
May 20 20:08:11 <Macer> foomatic is called by the ppd
May 20 20:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> I meant the n900-cups maintainer
May 20 20:08:27 <Macer> yeah i will. ther is a forum about it but it wasn't very useful
May 20 20:08:34 <Macer> just people with the same problem but no solid solution
May 20 20:08:43 <Macer> some were saying to use a different ppd file but i can't seem to find one
May 20 20:10:04 <DocScrutinizer> depends on printer I guess. I know for a lot of printers there are alternative ppd which don't use foomatic but maybe gutenprint or even other tools to convert (cups noob speaking here!)
May 20 20:10:36 <Macer> heh. i will keep looking
May 20 20:10:46 <DocScrutinizer> what's your printer model?
May 20 20:10:48 <Macer> but i am pretty sure foomatic is the norm
May 20 20:10:54 <Macer> brother hl-2170w
May 20 20:11:10 <Macer> i was trying to find an alternate one but can't seem to find it
May 20 20:11:12 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, brother seems to have usually good support in cups
May 20 20:12:07 <DocScrutinizer> well, the simplest solution is to ask n900-cups maintainer to build a foomatic pkg for you, or a cups pkg that contains foomatic
May 20 20:12:54 <DocScrutinizer> if he's just a bit concerned about his pkg, he will either find an alternative for you, or provide a fixed update
May 20 20:15:42 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: you're not working too?
May 20 20:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> right now, nope
May 20 20:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> just for you all day and night :-)
May 20 20:18:57 <DocScrutinizer> Brother/HL-2170W-pxlmono.ppd.gz is the file it suggests to me for this printer
May 20 20:19:11 <DocScrutinizer> alas the only file, no alternatives
May 20 20:19:46 <MohammadAG> http://jobs.intel.com/deu/jobs/ ?
May 20 20:26:42 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: there's also a lot of CUPS+Gutenprint, CUPS+omni, and BR3 ppd files for Brother printers
May 20 20:27:31 <DocScrutinizer> you *might* find a semi-compatible one, for e.g the next better/smaller model of your series
May 20 20:34:29 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: http://jobs.intel.com/nuremberg-deu/system-verification-engineer/76703/job/  THANKS
May 20 20:35:20 <DocScrutinizer> though I think those guys are paper fetishists, and I only got references, but really few papers
May 20 20:36:03 <DocScrutinizer> (actually none since flat burndown :-/ )
May 20 20:37:03 <MohammadAG> I'd give it a shot anyways :)
May 20 20:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, it's matching ~90%. Better than usual
May 20 20:41:24 <DocScrutinizer> even location :-D - while still a lot of traveling which I like quite a bit
May 20 20:41:35 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: well. that seems like way too much work
May 20 20:41:44 <Macer> i think i might actually install the cssu sdk and try to build foomatic
May 20 20:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> goooood plan :-D
May 20 20:41:59 <Macer> but that's a whole new can of worms that is going to have to wait
May 20 20:42:46 <DocScrutinizer> ask MohammadAG what he's thinking about cups and foomatic. Maybe he can spot some idiocy in dependencies or whatver
May 20 20:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just searching webwide for pkgs for you
May 20 20:43:44 <Macer> ok. i will when i get the chance
May 20 20:43:52 <Macer> i might be able to build a printing support abiword too
May 20 20:43:54 <Macer> and gnumeric
May 20 20:44:03 <Macer> those are my goals. ;)
May 20 20:44:23 <Macer> too bad i have absolutely no coding experience
May 20 20:44:33 <Macer> otherwise i would probably go out of my way to build a ton of stuff for maemo
May 20 20:45:16 <Macer> but i have a kubuntu box i'm sure making the sdk work on it shouldn't be too tough
May 20 20:45:31 <Macer> just never really did it before. i'm guessing it just uses some sort of arm emulated chroot?
May 20 20:46:28 <MohammadAG> well, I haven't integrated gtk with cups yet
May 20 20:46:35 <MohammadAG> I still need to ping X-Fade about that
May 20 20:46:48 <MohammadAG> we need a build-depends CSSU
May 20 20:47:25 <DocScrutinizer> >>
May 20 20:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> foomatic-filters - Filter Scripts Used by Printer Spoolers
May 20 20:47:28 <DocScrutinizer> Filter scripts used by the printer spoolers to convert the incoming PostScript data into the printer's native format using a printer and driver-specific, but spooler-independent PPD file.
May 20 20:47:47 <Macer> ?
May 20 20:48:16 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: is that a maemo pkg?
May 20 20:48:25 <Macer> i was looking all over for one.. i didn't see one
May 20 20:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> obviously not, it's the package found searching for foomatic on my x86 machine
May 20 20:49:37 <Macer> oh
May 20 20:49:45 <DocScrutinizer> anyway the magic word in there is "scripts"
May 20 20:49:48 <Macer> i thought you had some obscure maemo repo heh
May 20 20:50:13 <Macer> well.. the filter is a script i'd assume.. probably calls it from the ppd and runs certain commands through a foomatic wrapper
May 20 20:50:27 <DocScrutinizer> yo
May 20 20:50:44 <Macer> i would rather get foomatic working and see about adding the printer support to maemo apps
May 20 20:51:00 <Macer> most linux ppds call on foomatic for laser printers
May 20 20:51:04 <DocScrutinizer> Provides:
May 20 20:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> foomatic-filters = 4.0.1-2.1
May 20 20:51:07 <DocScrutinizer> foomatic-filters(x86-32) = 4.0.1-2.1
May 20 20:51:47 <Macer> got my bt keyboard working.. all i want is a self contained office suite in my pocket that can print :)
May 20 20:52:13 <Macer> if i had enough skills i  wish i could make a front end for cups
May 20 20:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> Requires: libm.so, perl, a2gs(!!), libgs.so
May 20 20:52:22 <Macer> instead of having to use the web interface heh
May 20 20:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> plus defaults
May 20 20:52:40 <Macer> doesn't cups install perl and libgs?
May 20 20:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
May 20 20:52:50 <Macer> in maemo
May 20 20:53:14 <Macer> heh.... well.. this is a task that is going to require a weekend off.. i work tonight so maybe in my 3 days off i can get the sdk going and see about building thigns
May 20 20:53:37 <Macer> i've never pkgd before so it will be a nice little learning experience.. maybe i can even set up my own little macer repo heh
May 20 20:53:48 <Macer> maemo.rancorous.net
May 20 20:54:31 <MohammadAG> personal repos ftl :p
May 20 20:54:34 <DocScrutinizer> we could ask MohammadAG if he's willing to give foomatic-filters a shot
May 20 20:54:42 <Macer> lol
May 20 20:54:45 <Sicelo_> ~ftl
May 20 20:54:45 <infobot> For the Lose!
May 20 20:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> it's a separate pkg, so no direct dependencies to CUPS
May 20 20:56:00 <DocScrutinizer> might built right away
May 20 20:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> build
May 20 20:56:13 <Macer> MohammadAG: i figured it was just a matter of time before nokia cost cut maemo.org out
May 20 20:56:20 <Macer> dont they still own it?
May 20 20:56:43 <Macer> i wanted to archive it all but i only have a few TB of space here
May 20 20:57:52 <MoonTiger> hi guys :)
May 20 20:57:59 <MoonTiger> is this the right place for N900 questions?
May 20 20:58:09 <DocScrutinizer> the only right place :-D
May 20 20:58:14 <Macer> as long as it isnt a nitdroid question
May 20 20:58:17 <Macer> hahaha
May 20 20:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 20 20:58:33 <MoonTiger> hehe cool ... got mine today ... late to the party but after feeling burned by the N810 i hesitated
May 20 20:58:39 <MoonTiger> now i see what the fuss was about
May 20 20:59:03 <DocScrutinizer> congrats, enjoy
May 20 20:59:08 <MoonTiger> why the f**k did they abandon this device/os?
May 20 20:59:27 <Macer> MoonTiger: because they are stupid :)
May 20 20:59:34 <DocScrutinizer> they didn't *really* just stopped active development
May 20 20:59:35 <MoonTiger> anyways ... quick question... i cannot find the blessn900 camera package in the repos ... am i doing something wrong?
May 20 20:59:40 <Macer> and ms was widdling their os into nokia
May 20 20:59:58 <MoonTiger> i really didnt expect it to be this good after the N810 ... but wow
May 20 21:00:04 <DocScrutinizer> umm, yes. You probably are missing extras-devel repository
May 20 21:00:20 <MoonTiger> is it safe to enable that for normal use?
May 20 21:00:34 <DocScrutinizer> depends on your def of "safe"
May 20 21:00:47 <MoonTiger> well i am a dev but i would like my system to mostly work :)
May 20 21:01:02 <DocScrutinizer> a lot of pkgs in there are higher quality than some crap that made it to extras
May 20 21:01:09 <MoonTiger> i run arch linux on my main systems so a little leading edge is good
May 20 21:01:14 <MoonTiger> ok cool
May 20 21:01:18 <DocScrutinizer> so no worries :-D
May 20 21:01:25 <MoonTiger> just be smart before allowing a massive update right?
May 20 21:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 20 21:01:41 <MoonTiger> cool thnx
May 20 21:01:57 <DocScrutinizer> and thoroughly check each aspect of your system after installing things from devel
May 20 21:01:58 <MoonTiger> i wrote the lil maemo google calendar applet for the N810
May 20 21:02:05 <DocScrutinizer> never install bunch of things
May 20 21:02:06 <MoonTiger> think i might try to update it for the N900 now :)
May 20 21:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> great!! :-D
May 20 21:02:45 <MoonTiger> and qt is the target platform right?
May 20 21:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> you'll gasp to learn what's in devel and testing
May 20 21:03:10 <MoonTiger> ok so i should enable both those repos
May 20 21:03:34 <DocScrutinizer> testing not really needed if you got devel
May 20 21:03:39 <MoonTiger> i know someone took over the project i started .... i auth'd him to do so
May 20 21:03:44 <MoonTiger> ok
May 20 21:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> as the version in devel always is newer
May 20 21:04:49 <MohammadAG> Macer, merlin1991 has backups
May 20 21:04:56 <DocScrutinizer> just one good advice: test the bare bones device/OS for a week or so, to get a feeling for how it's supposed to feel&work like
May 20 21:06:52 <DocScrutinizer> a lot of users installed/enabled crap on day0, and then claim "the N900 is power hungry and has standby of <8h" while it's their skype, or battery-eye, or whatvere crap that's causing that
May 20 21:07:44 <DocScrutinizer> a lot of it from extras, not devel ;-D
May 20 21:08:03 <MoonTiger> ok just added the repo
May 20 21:08:18 <MoonTiger> whats the story with the USB connector thing these days?
May 20 21:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> adding the repo alone usually doesn't hurt (except for HAM getting slow like geotectonics)
May 20 21:08:53 <MoonTiger> yah im seeing that now :)
May 20 21:09:04 <DocScrutinizer> still you shall take darn care not to break it
May 20 21:09:34 <DocScrutinizer> never aply levering force to the USB plug
May 20 21:09:55 <MoonTiger> right
May 20 21:10:04 <MoonTiger> i filed off the hook things on the cables too
May 20 21:10:15 <DocScrutinizer> well, I didn't
May 20 21:10:38 <MoonTiger> is there some way to make it stronger *before* it breaks?
May 20 21:10:47 <MohammadAG> <MoonTiger> and qt is the target platform right?
May 20 21:10:48 <DocScrutinizer> my USB works just nice now, even for force needed to un/mate
May 20 21:10:52 <MoonTiger> oh and im geting an error from: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
May 20 21:10:58 <MohammadAG> Qt or Gtk, doesn't matter if you want it only on Maemo 5 :)
May 20 21:11:10 <MohammadAG> Gtk apps start and repaint faster, Qt is easier to work with imo
May 20 21:11:18 <DocScrutinizer> it is
May 20 21:12:12 <BCMM> do Qt apps still start slower if there is already another Qt app running?
May 20 21:12:22 <MohammadAG> 500ms
May 20 21:12:25 <DocScrutinizer> MoonTiger: you might find some tiny useful bits there: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 20 21:12:26 <MoonTiger> i guess the qt libs have to load right?
May 20 21:12:32 <MohammadAG> at least that's the fastest I could get my mediaplayer to start
May 20 21:12:46 * MohammadAG tests his facebook app
May 20 21:13:44 <MoonTiger> interesting ... so the CSSU is recommended?
May 20 21:13:54 <DocScrutinizer> errrrr, not yet
May 20 21:14:04 <MohammadAG> 945ms
May 20 21:14:08 * MoonTiger pauses over the button
May 20 21:14:13 <MoonTiger> ok
May 20 21:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> latest version introduced some nasty bugs
May 20 21:14:27 * MohammadAG still blames Qt upstream
May 20 21:14:35 <Macer> haha
May 20 21:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 20 21:14:42 <DocScrutinizer> but that doesn't help cssu
May 20 21:14:59 <MohammadAG> true, and #qt sucks in terms of Qt-related help
May 20 21:15:05 <MohammadAG> you know, building, bug fixing etc
May 20 21:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> so KICK IT, MohammadAG
May 20 21:15:24 <MohammadAG> pinged w00t three times or something
May 20 21:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> what's with the cssu-semistable I requested
May 20 21:15:33 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, better idea, gimme two days
May 20 21:15:52 <MohammadAG> achipa mentioned Qt 4.7.4 being "interesting" maemo-wise
May 20 21:15:58 <GAN900> Ah, finally the stupid laptop fan isn't 100% all the time now.
May 20 21:16:09 <DocScrutinizer> (as our cssu SID is called "testing" which I think is odd anyway)
May 20 21:16:20 <MohammadAG> last time a fan bugged me it spun its last spin
May 20 21:16:30 * MohammadAG pulled the plug on it
May 20 21:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 20 21:16:55 <DocScrutinizer> shoot the bastard!
May 20 21:17:00 <MohammadAG> funny enough, the desktop runs at 34C without it, so no harm done
May 20 21:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 20 21:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> I assume it's not been the CPU fan then
May 20 21:17:37 <MohammadAG> 40-50 under load
May 20 21:17:55 <GAN900> It's actually reasonably quiet at full speed
May 20 21:17:58 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I think I unplugged all fans once
May 20 21:18:09 <MohammadAG> it ran quite well, not sure if I plugged them back in...
May 20 21:18:21 <GAN900> But I don't particularly need the laptop running at 40C all the time.
May 20 21:18:32 <MohammadAG> my laptop boots up at 40
May 20 21:18:34 <MoonTiger> thnx guys ... bbl :)
May 20 21:18:41 <MohammadAG> goes up to 80 sometimes...
May 20 21:18:47 <MohammadAG> oh wait
May 20 21:18:53 <MohammadAG> GAN900, shouldn't you be using F? :P
May 20 21:19:02 <GAN900> Not for computer temps.
May 20 21:19:37 <GAN900> If I can run the fan at level 2000RPM and get 48C versus 3500 and 40, well.
May 20 21:22:46 <MohammadAG> the number of reboots hotswap saves is awesome
May 20 21:22:50 * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer for that
May 20 21:25:19 <BCMM> anyone know what uses MyDocs/.maps and MyDocs/.map_tile_cache?
May 20 21:25:32 <BCMM> (doing backups, care about maep; don't care about Ovi)
May 20 21:27:24 <DocScrutinizer> heh, when my CPU got throttled @ 100°C, I finally had to remove the new fabric plastic my laptop invented and manufactured inside, and now it's down to 40° again
May 20 21:27:50 <BCMM> hate laptops.
May 20 21:28:23 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: you hardly can tell who's using it. Tendencies are for all map apps to share same cache
May 20 21:28:42 <MohammadAG> or just string the binaries!!!1
May 20 21:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> which is a rather sane thing
May 20 21:28:56 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: is there a standard format for the cache, or a library or something?
May 20 21:29:05 <DocScrutinizer> but not all map apps are already doing it
May 20 21:29:14 <BCMM> i know there are a few different apps that use the same libs as maep
May 20 21:29:25 <DocScrutinizer> dunno about lib, seems there's some sort of common format
May 20 21:30:17 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: won't a lsof do, while running the app in question?
May 20 21:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> lsof|grep <appname>
May 20 21:31:20 <BCMM> ok, i've got a backup from the backup app, and everything i want from MyDocs, and my ~/bin/ directory with scripts, and my custom bootvid - what have i missed?
May 20 21:31:41 <DocScrutinizer> rootfs :-P
May 20 21:31:56 <BCMM> i'm not going to do a complete copy of hte filesystem.
May 20 21:32:13 <DocScrutinizer> why not, it's only 220some MB
May 20 21:32:39 <BCMM> maybe i should
May 20 21:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 20 21:32:55 <BCMM> how useful is it?
May 20 21:33:33 <BCMM> i mean, how would i go about restoring it, if the phone had been flashed clean?
May 20 21:33:40 <BCMM> i have no idea how kernels and booting works
May 20 21:33:41 <DocScrutinizer> later on you'll curse when you're missing your LED patterns set up with pattern editor and stored in /etc/mce/mce.ini - or whatever random other detail
May 20 21:33:54 <BCMM> good point
May 20 21:34:09 <BCMM> actually, that's only an argument for keeping /etc/
May 20 21:34:14 <BCMM> which i should really do actually
May 20 21:34:20 <BCMM> custom sshd config and so on
May 20 21:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> /etc is about 98% of what'S worth backup
May 20 21:35:19 <DocScrutinizer> some stuff might hide under piles of crap in /var
May 20 21:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> also /var has lots of symlinks to eMMC so it's not a good idea to backup indiscriminately
May 20 21:38:19 <BCMM> i sort of figure that a mostly-clean start from time-to-time isn't a bad thing
May 20 21:38:39 <BCMM> especially since i've got some trouble from having used apt-get upgrade
May 20 21:39:02 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 20 21:39:04 <BCMM> i'm just working out the details of the compromise
May 20 21:39:15 <BCMM> hmm, how does restoring
May 20 21:39:24 <BCMM> the application list from the backup program work?
May 20 21:39:29 <DocScrutinizer> works
May 20 21:39:47 <BCMM> i mean, will it carry over apt-get upgrade -related mistakes
May 20 21:39:52 <DocScrutinizer> except for apps that have vanished from repo meanwhile, of course
May 20 21:40:06 <DocScrutinizer> no, it won't
May 20 21:40:18 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
May 20 21:40:52 <BCMM> ah, just looked at the file format
May 20 21:41:03 <BCMM> package names only
May 20 21:41:11 <BCMM> well, that and some truely superflous XML
May 20 21:41:13 <DocScrutinizer> and repo list
May 20 21:41:20 <BCMM> that's a seperate file
May 20 21:41:24 <DocScrutinizer> k
May 20 21:41:39 <BCMM> i suppose this XML would help in the case that an application name included a \n
May 20 21:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
May 20 21:41:59 <DocScrutinizer> XML is en vogue
May 20 21:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 20 21:42:19 <BCMM> seriously, it's starts with <backup>, then every line until </backup> is like <pkg>openssh</pkg>
May 20 21:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
May 20 21:42:39 <BCMM> personally, i think i would've opted for a simple file of package names, seperated by newlines...
May 20 21:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 20 21:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> you got a DTD?
May 20 21:43:57 <DocScrutinizer> maybe there are unused easter eggs in the format
May 20 21:44:16 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, who cares
May 20 21:44:48 <Macer> hm
May 20 21:44:52 <DocScrutinizer> as long as it's 'plain text' and not a friggin binary dump
May 20 21:44:52 <Macer> not for nothing...
May 20 21:45:04 <Macer> is there a way to backup the entire phone?
May 20 21:45:04 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: nah, <backup> is literally the first line
May 20 21:45:14 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: oh, it's no trouble, but it's funny
May 20 21:45:21 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: backup-menu
May 20 21:45:30 <Macer> backup-menu?
May 20 21:45:32 <Macer> heh
May 20 21:45:38 <DocScrutinizer> pkg backupmenu
May 20 21:45:44 <DocScrutinizer> a special bootmenu
May 20 21:45:45 <BCMM> like, that generation for whom the first cool thing they learnt to do with a computer was write HTML? they're allowed to design things now.
May 20 21:45:51 <Macer> not to throw it out there but i mean.. something similar to android recovery
May 20 21:45:53 * Macer ducks 
May 20 21:45:59 <Macer> oh. ok. let me take a look
May 20 21:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> will tar up your / and /home
May 20 21:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> and restore
May 20 21:46:58 <Macer> broken packages
May 20 21:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> courtesy robbiethe1st
May 20 21:47:17 <DocScrutinizer> uh?
May 20 21:47:27 <Macer>  backupmenu: Depends: bootmenu-n900 but it is not going to be installed
May 20 21:47:27 <Macer> E: Broken packages
May 20 21:47:36 <Macer> heh
May 20 21:47:40 <DocScrutinizer> errr
May 20 21:48:09 <DocScrutinizer> install bootmenu first
May 20 21:48:12 <Macer> trying to install bootmenu-n900 fais
May 20 21:48:14 <Macer> fails
May 20 21:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> use an older version
May 20 21:48:42 <DocScrutinizer> I seem to recall they "fixed" sth recently
May 20 21:49:40 <DocScrutinizer> fundamentally breaking API (i.e. directory structure and parameters for calling backupmenu)
May 20 21:50:33 <DocScrutinizer> well, it's been a real mess so probably they did the right thing. I only hope for robbie to update backupmenu now
May 20 21:55:33 <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/117518/ worked for me last time I tested. I guess you should use a way newer backupmenu
May 20 21:56:06 <MohammadAG> <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: won't a lsof do, while running the app in question?
May 20 21:56:19 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure about lsof, never worked properly on the N900 tbh
May 20 21:56:38 <Technomike> MohammadAG
May 20 21:57:10 <Technomike> I cannot find your sociality app. Is it definetly still in extras development
May 20 21:57:12 <Technomike> ?
May 20 21:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> o.O lsof didn't work properly?
May 20 22:01:14 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: how much would it bug you to try and build foomatic-filters for fremantle?
May 20 22:01:33 <MohammadAG> Technomike, yes, I don't push to -testing
May 20 22:01:49 <MohammadAG> -testing's concept was nice, till it started requiring votes
May 20 22:02:04 <DocScrutinizer> ~extras-testing
May 20 22:02:05 <infobot> i guess extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37
May 20 22:04:38 <MohammadAG> hah
May 20 22:04:55 <MohammadAG> most
May 20 22:05:03 <MohammadAG> most N900s I've seen had -devel enabled
May 20 22:05:48 <SpeedEvil> Testing is a good concept - but it doesn't really work with a tiny pool of testers who are often not motiovated for various reasons.
May 20 22:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> see chanlog ^^^
May 20 22:09:30 <Technomike> hmmm can't find it. going to refresh catalogues...
May 20 22:10:03 <MohammadAG> just add -devel already
May 20 22:10:14 * SpeedEvil needs more battery life.
May 20 22:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> *cough* what's that?
May 20 22:10:32 <DocScrutinizer> Reading package lists... Done
May 20 22:10:34 <DocScrutinizer> W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )
May 20 22:10:35 <SpeedEvil> I was around and about today with 2 batteries, and ran out.
May 20 22:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )
May 20 22:10:37 <DocScrutinizer> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
May 20 22:11:18 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, I run out with 4 batteries
May 20 22:11:34 <SpeedEvil> I need to make a leetle battery pack.
May 20 22:12:05 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: has cssu issues? with apt-get update?
May 20 22:12:21 <MohammadAG> nope
May 20 22:13:11 <DocScrutinizer> what's that ^^^ then? repos down?
May 20 22:13:21 <DocScrutinizer> or borked?
May 20 22:13:51 <MohammadAG> that's extras
May 20 22:14:02 <MohammadAG> paste your sources.list.d/* files
May 20 22:14:09 <DocScrutinizer> or do I have to enable cssu repo to make apt-get update work?
May 20 22:14:20 <MohammadAG> nope, apt-get update works fine
May 20 22:14:27 <MohammadAG> your sources.list files are borked it seems
May 20 22:14:34 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 20 22:14:35 <MohammadAG> W: = warning anyway
May 20 22:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> which sources.list?
May 20 22:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> FQN please
May 20 22:15:43 <MohammadAG> all I guess, /etc/apt/sources.list is usually empty
May 20 22:16:24 <MohammadAG> cat $(find /etc/apt/ -name "*.list") | pastebinit
May 20 22:18:22 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: http://paste.debian.net/117520/    jr@halley:~> cat /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234
May 20 22:18:57 <DocScrutinizer> no other file there
May 20 22:19:14 * MohammadAG has deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free
May 20 22:19:22 <MohammadAG> also, remove -testing
May 20 22:19:39 <MohammadAG> -testing is a subset of -devel
May 20 22:19:56 <MohammadAG> apt will prefer -devel, meaning you're wasting time in each apt-get update
May 20 22:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> I think I already did
May 20 22:20:18 <MohammadAG> change fremantle-1.3 to fremantle
May 20 22:20:23 <MohammadAG> afaik it's not available for -devel
May 20 22:20:29 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 20 22:20:49 <DocScrutinizer> I never ever edited anything there
May 20 22:21:38 <DocScrutinizer> but indeed, those don't exist afaik
May 20 22:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> neither for devel nor for testing
May 20 22:22:42 * DocScrutinizer wonders what he's doing during the time others would call sleeping
May 20 22:23:11 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG
May 20 22:23:26 <MohammadAG> you see me awake...
May 20 22:23:38 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure others are awake
May 20 22:25:10 <DocScrutinizer> nah, http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install is clean
May 20 22:26:29 <Macer> it is 5pm in chicago
May 20 22:26:39 <Macer> why would people be asleep?
May 20 22:26:41 <Macer> heh
May 20 22:26:52 <MohammadAG> 1:23 AM here
May 20 22:26:57 <Macer> oh
May 20 22:27:04 <Macer> well... then nm
May 20 22:27:09 <Macer> :)
May 20 22:27:25 <Macer> i'm wondering if installing the sdk is possible in natty
May 20 22:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: WTF? can you doublecheck my steps please?
May 20 22:27:42 <Macer> only boxes i have are ubuntu 11.04
May 20 22:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> ll /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
May 20 22:27:53 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 460 19. Mai 22:42 /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
May 20 22:28:17 <Macer> it would be nice to have a login to the phone
May 20 22:28:22 <Macer> like kdm or gdm :)
May 20 22:28:28 <Macer> and more than just user as a user
May 20 22:29:15 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> grep devel /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
May 20 22:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free
May 20 22:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, nonsense
May 20 22:30:18 <MohammadAG> change those to fremantle
May 20 22:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# grep devel /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
May 20 22:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free
May 20 22:30:40 <Macer> heh
May 20 22:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> still in HAM I have an absolutely proper definition of devel
May 20 22:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> WITHOUT -1.3
May 20 22:31:10 <MohammadAG> lol
May 20 22:31:17 <MohammadAG> then remove the extras line
May 20 22:31:21 <MohammadAG> extra*
May 20 22:31:33 <DocScrutinizer> which extra line?
May 20 22:31:34 <MohammadAG> HAM reads from an xml file btw
May 20 22:31:38 <Macer> hm
May 20 22:31:40 <MohammadAG> not /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
May 20 22:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> AHAAA
May 20 22:31:59 <MohammadAG> so I guess removing the line from the list file and reopening ham should rewrite the xml
May 20 22:32:26 <MohammadAG> /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues
May 20 22:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> I'd think something should rewrite the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* when I edit catalogs in HAM
May 20 22:32:50 <MohammadAG> yeah, HAM does that from the xml file
May 20 22:33:02 <DocScrutinizer> not always though, it seems
May 20 22:34:12 <Macer> ah well. going to take a nap
May 20 22:34:21 <merlin1991> morning
May 20 22:34:49 <merlin1991> macer the backups MohammadAG mentioned are @ http://87.106.163.159/maemo/
May 20 22:35:28 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/6AtRHLnY
May 20 22:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: might cssu have caused HAM not to update /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
May 20 22:37:03 <Macer> huh?
May 20 22:37:35 <Macer> merlin1991: ah. those are repo backups?
May 20 22:37:48 <merlin1991> yep complete apt-mirrors
May 20 22:37:58 <Macer> for when nokia shuts down maemo.org :)
May 20 22:38:07 <Macer> i am sure it is a matter of time
May 20 22:38:17 <Macer> how big is all of it?
May 20 22:38:22 <merlin1991> lemme du it
May 20 22:38:56 <merlin1991> 81 GB
May 20 22:39:29 <Macer> oh.. wow that is pretty small
May 20 22:39:39 <Macer> i should back it up locally
May 20 22:39:57 <DocScrutinizer> and even has old pkgs that got removed on nokia repos afaik :-D
May 20 22:40:08 <Macer> heh. like chromium?
May 20 22:40:12 <Macer> :)
May 20 22:40:29 <Macer> i thought it would be larger
May 20 22:40:42 <Macer> this weekend i am going to work on maemo.rancorous.net
May 20 22:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's just large enough :-S
May 20 22:41:00 <jacekowski> i have some backups as well
May 20 22:41:02 <Macer> heh... 80GB is peanuts nowadays
May 20 22:41:09 <jacekowski> but cleaned up sometimes
May 20 22:41:18 <DocScrutinizer> not on my disks ;-)
May 20 22:41:47 <Macer> haha
May 20 22:41:56 <DocScrutinizer> ok, I have one 160GB here, but it's mostly filled with backups now
May 20 22:42:01 <merlin1991> it has everything that was there on feb 16 and everything that got added since then
May 20 22:42:42 <Macer> /dev/sda1             6.3T  1.4T  4.9T  22% /mnt/Storage
May 20 22:42:47 <Macer> ;)
May 20 22:42:57 <DocScrutinizer> 8-)
May 20 22:42:59 <merlin1991> it adds about 540 mb per day
May 20 22:43:30 * DocScrutinizer waves
May 20 22:43:33 <Macer> well.. i would like to make a local maemo dev box
May 20 22:43:48 <Macer> so hopefully it will work
May 20 22:43:58 <Macer> on my quad core amd opteron hahaha
May 20 22:44:16 <Macer> old school dual socket 940 box
May 20 22:44:26 <Macer> with its awesome pci-x areca raid
May 20 22:44:34 <DocScrutinizer> LVM?
May 20 22:44:42 <DocScrutinizer> or what's that sda1?
May 20 22:44:58 <jacekowski> raid0 probably
May 20 22:45:03 <Macer> 8 x 1TB hw raid5
May 20 22:45:09 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 20 22:45:12 <DocScrutinizer> nice
May 20 22:45:16 <merlin1991> btw DocScrutinizer fremantle-1.3 not existing for -devel? what's that then: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/
May 20 22:45:33 <Macer> nice enough for a good maemo dev project server
May 20 22:45:37 <Macer> ;)
May 20 22:45:57 <Macer> although i am not sure how well my upstream would handle it
May 20 22:46:07 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: I have N F C :-o
May 20 22:46:12 <Macer> as a matter of fact i have never really tested my upstream
May 20 22:46:40 * merlin1991 whoises Macers ip and rapes the http port
May 20 22:46:45 <merlin1991> ;)
May 20 22:46:50 <Macer> hahahaaha
May 20 22:47:02 <Macer> thanks :)
May 20 22:47:27 <merlin1991> it's quite funny how different upstream is even withing the same provider having the same deal in the same flat
May 20 22:48:11 <merlin1991> we switched our all in one router we got from the provider to a generic modem, and the upstream tripled
May 20 22:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: maybe those are symlinks, while for extras1.3 it's a really separate thing from extras?
May 20 22:48:26 <merlin1991> yea they look like symlinks to me
May 20 22:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: ^^^ ?!
May 20 22:48:35 <merlin1991> but at least it should work with fremantle-1.3
May 20 22:48:43 <DocScrutinizer> ^^^
May 20 22:49:45 <merlin1991> my apt-mirror.list for example uses fremantle-1.3 for -devel too
May 20 22:49:46 <merlin1991> http://pastebin.com/NyWGCiHY
May 20 22:50:09 <DocScrutinizer> I'm lost on that friggin warning, on why my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* isn't in sync with  /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues, on why there are *-1.3 for testing and extras anyway, and I'm out for booze now
May 20 22:50:23 <merlin1991> gl :)
May 20 22:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> and all I planned was updating backupmenu to test the recent version :-S
May 20 22:51:06 <Macer> heh
May 20 22:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> l8r folks
May 20 22:53:06 <Macer> wow
May 20 22:53:11 <Macer> only 200KB?
May 20 22:53:15 <Macer> that cant be right
May 20 22:53:20 <MohammadAG> they are, on extras, not -devel or -testing afaik
May 20 22:58:44 <Macer> hm
May 20 22:58:56 <Macer> wow my upstream only gives 300KB/s
May 20 22:59:02 <Macer> friggin lame
May 20 22:59:21 <Macer> that does not sound like the 12mbit i am supposed to get
May 20 23:03:06 <Macer> damn thing is giving me only 4.77 upstream?
May 20 23:03:17 <Macer> tomorrow SOMEONE is getting a call
May 20 23:11:15 <MohammadAG> Macer, I thought the world's ending tomorrow
May 20 23:12:28 <nox-> .oO(end of the world predicted, film at 11...)
May 20 23:12:30 <nox-> :)
May 20 23:27:51 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, maemo.org down?
May 20 23:30:30 <DocScrutinizer> no idea. Is it?
May 21 01:00:12 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry, no idea why I thought backupmenu had pkg versions of 1.x and eve 2.x - actually 0.65 is the most recent
May 21 01:05:05 <Macer> word
May 21 01:05:34 <Macer> does that mean it will install now?
May 21 01:05:37 <Macer> :)
May 21 01:07:26 <Macer> hah
May 21 01:07:30 <Macer> guess so :)
May 21 01:08:26 <Macer> so what do i do after installing it?
May 21 01:15:25 <xd13> was there an update not to long ago ? i can't seem to run an update right now all catalogs don't get connection
May 21 01:16:41 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: backup-menu? boot with kbd slider open
May 21 01:23:44 <Macer> yeah
May 21 01:23:48 <Macer> figured that out by accident lol
May 21 01:23:53 <Macer> wow backing up with compression takes forever
May 21 01:24:08 <Macer> i am moving all my m3ps off of the internal memory to the sd
May 21 01:24:11 <Macer> maybe that will help a bit
May 21 01:24:25 <Macer> but 40MB took like 15 mins.. and booting i got some weird libacl error
May 21 01:24:33 <Macer> maybe a pkg is missing?
May 21 01:25:52 <Macer> wow.. moving internally between the internal storage and the sd is slow as hell
May 21 01:26:16 <Macer> i'm moving 1700 mp3s and it is going like 2 mp3s per second
May 21 01:26:55 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, known
May 21 01:27:19 <DocScrutinizer> backupmenu WARNs about "compression is SLOW!"
May 21 01:28:02 <DocScrutinizer> my backup of rootfs (280MB?) took 90s
May 21 01:28:20 <Macer> really slow
May 21 01:28:21 <Macer> :)
May 21 01:28:27 <Macer> what is the error i get on booting tho
May 21 01:28:30 <DocScrutinizer> opt is at 376 now, and 220s
May 21 01:28:32 <Macer> the libacl.so or something like that
May 21 01:28:57 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
May 21 01:29:16 <DocScrutinizer> quite probably unrelated to backupmenu
May 21 01:29:59 <DocScrutinizer> 500MB 305s
May 21 01:30:09 <Macer> ok
May 21 01:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> compression sucks, I'd not even consider to use it
May 21 01:30:39 <Macer> heh.. yeah well.. slow is an understatement
May 21 01:30:55 <Macer> i will try backing it back up again in a bit.. but it'd be awesome if it worked properly
May 21 01:31:01 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: have you tried recovering?
May 21 01:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> actually not
May 21 01:31:17 <Macer> heh
May 21 01:31:22 <Macer> my fear is that it won't work for the recovery
May 21 01:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> but as it's tarballs...
May 21 01:31:40 <Macer> i got socket errors with /tmp as well
May 21 01:31:48 <Macer> don't know what that was about
May 21 01:31:58 <Macer> i will try again in a bit once i move all my music off the internal memory
May 21 01:32:34 <Macer> is 32GB still the largest sd out there?
May 21 01:32:45 <DocScrutinizer> yep, uSD
May 21 01:33:20 <Macer> $50 huh?
May 21 01:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> allegedly 64 are near
May 21 01:33:29 <Macer> that's not too bad. right now i have a 16GB
May 21 01:33:41 * SpeedEvil wonders how you'd get the device to boot if it did not have onenand.
May 21 01:33:45 <Macer> are they? i thought 64GB was xd
May 21 01:33:56 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 21 01:34:21 <Macer> is the xdhc stuff just a matter of an update for the n900?
May 21 01:34:27 <Macer> or is the physical connection for the SD going to change?
May 21 01:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> actually I seem to remember even 32 is outa HC specs
May 21 01:35:10 <DocScrutinizer> XC
May 21 01:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 21 01:35:45 <DocScrutinizer> the protocol changes afaik
May 21 01:36:04 <DocScrutinizer> sd, sdhc, sdxc
May 21 01:36:09 <SpeedEvil> Does the interface change - or only the 'software' side.
May 21 01:36:25 <SpeedEvil> I think it's simply the packet format alters a bit to accomodate more bits.
May 21 01:36:29 <SpeedEvil> And you go to exfat
May 21 01:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> I think the change is like sd->ddr
May 21 01:37:44 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. electrically diferent
May 21 01:37:48 * SpeedEvil hates non-public specs.
May 21 01:38:10 <Macer> heh
May 21 01:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> though probably backward compatible
May 21 01:38:20 <Macer> well i gues once they release one
May 21 01:38:23 <Macer> we will find out :)
May 21 01:38:38 <Macer> i would like to add 64GB to my n900 tho
May 21 01:38:46 <Macer> 128GB heh
May 21 01:38:59 * Macer pictures 1TB SD in his n900
May 21 01:39:00 <DocScrutinizer> what for?
May 21 01:39:05 <SpeedEvil> I've found surrpising amounts of stuff on edonkye
May 21 01:39:11 <Macer> music... videos etc
May 21 01:39:11 <SpeedEvil> searching for random specs
May 21 01:39:17 <Macer> portable porn
May 21 01:39:22 <Macer> etc etc
May 21 01:39:29 <SpeedEvil> Naah - I was looking for linux distributions.
May 21 01:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it way simpler to swap cards?
May 21 01:39:36 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: no
May 21 01:39:54 <Macer> how is swapping cards easier than just leaving one in with all the space you need? :)
May 21 01:40:27 <DocScrutinizer> fsck time, just one argument
May 21 01:40:44 * SpeedEvil drops ext3 on DocScrutinizer.
May 21 01:40:47 <Macer> haha
May 21 01:40:51 <SpeedEvil> (though that just postpones the fsck)
May 21 01:40:51 <DocScrutinizer> larger storage needs larger buffers in ram as well
May 21 01:41:08 <Macer> does maemo even have exfat support?
May 21 01:41:23 <Macer> meh. i would use ext
May 21 01:41:51 <Macer> actually... no i wouldn't .. would kind of be stuck with fat so my windows user loser friends can get stuff off my phone if they need it
May 21 01:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> more storage also tends to eat more power
May 21 01:42:59 <DocScrutinizer> then the mere time to fill such a card is unbearable
May 21 01:43:17 <Macer> adding music to it is usually incremental
May 21 01:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> esp if it can't be mounted on the phone as it's in your PC, or your phone is tied to PC's USB
May 21 01:43:30 <Macer> anyways.. i gotta go out. enjoy your night
May 21 01:43:36 <SpeedEvil> wikipedia claims SDXC is same interface electrically
May 21 01:43:40 <SpeedEvil> Of course...
May 21 01:44:05 <DocScrutinizer> same timing?
May 21 01:44:13 <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
May 21 01:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> same clockrates?
May 21 01:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> no multilevel on datalines?
May 21 01:44:41 <SpeedEvil> I should go into it - but in practice, making some nice oatcakes is higher on my stack.
May 21 01:52:01 <DocScrutinizer> I'm wondering where's the "special thanks to H-EN, ShadowJK & jOERG, for battery charging" acknowledgement in backup menu
May 21 01:54:48 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ever pondered about a vkbd on a r-ts actually is rather protected against all sorts of eavesdropping
May 21 01:55:40 <DocScrutinizer> accoustic? no dice. EM? it's mostly DC
May 21 01:55:50 <SpeedEvil> Naah - it's not.
May 21 01:55:59 <SpeedEvil> You can snoop the LVDS easily.
May 21 01:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> you might be able to listen to the ADC
May 21 01:56:42 <DocScrutinizer> LVDS holds nuttin about me entering the PIN, as long as there's no stupid feedback
May 21 01:57:09 <SpeedEvil> I was assuming button going a colour to register a touch
May 21 01:57:18 <SpeedEvil> Which is invariably the normal case
May 21 01:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, that's not helping
May 21 01:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'm thinking with my EE hat on
May 21 01:58:06 * SpeedEvil puts a comedy duck hat on DocScrutinizer.
May 21 01:58:22 <DocScrutinizer> quack
May 21 01:59:55 <DocScrutinizer> btw the friggin "autostart=always" or whatever it's called that you set in .desktop to make an app autostart on boot - it also REstarts the app once you close it, MUHAHAHAHA
May 21 02:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> autostart=true or what's been suggested in desktop-file-format_wiki, doesn't work at all for me
May 21 02:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> not being able to close xchat, well it kinda sucks, sometimes
May 21 02:03:00 <ShadowJK> "Charging? What about flash10 720p 1080p 4kp?!"
May 21 02:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 21 02:03:51 <DocScrutinizer> you contributed flash10 720p for bootmenu?
May 21 02:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't really shine up ;-P
May 21 02:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> in fact that flash looks pretty much like ncurses, or worse
May 21 02:11:47 <ShadowJK> nah I meant it in a "throwing pearls at swines" kinda thing
May 21 02:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 21 02:12:37 <ShadowJK> doesn't matter what you do, they'll always whine about flash current-version+1 and video resolution+1
May 21 02:13:16 <DocScrutinizer> not the devels, not all of them at least
May 21 02:17:45 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/backupmenu/0.61-1/ could miss the missing dependency and use a "courtesy DocScrutinizer&ShadowJK" after the note about charger
May 21 02:32:54 <ShadowJK> I discovered the past few days on tmo people talking about mjy charge script
May 21 02:33:13 <DocScrutinizer> wow
May 21 02:33:16 <ShadowJK> I should like, add disclaimers and maybe error recovery..
May 21 02:33:18 <DocScrutinizer> how come?
May 21 02:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> actually charging got introduced here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/backupmenu/0.60-1/
May 21 02:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> and I now remember talking him thru it
May 21 02:35:15 <ShadowJK> dunno
May 21 02:35:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders how anyone of you can discover *anything* on tmo :-o
May 21 02:35:40 <ShadowJK> they also found my reswap script, and I don't even remember uploading that, or why
May 21 02:35:50 <ds3> wait til something goes boom ;)
May 21 02:35:51 <DocScrutinizer> for me?
May 21 02:35:52 <SpeedEvil> reswap?
May 21 02:36:04 <DocScrutinizer> swap swap ;-D
May 21 02:36:15 <SpeedEvil> you mean multiple swapfiles?
May 21 02:36:19 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 21 02:36:22 <ShadowJK> Speaking of,
May 21 02:36:22 * ShadowJK runs a reswap while logging disk access to uSD, this is going to hurt :D
May 21 02:36:30 <SpeedEvil> I had that idea ages ago.
May 21 02:37:10 <DocScrutinizer> we all had that idea
May 21 02:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK however wrote a script for it :-)
May 21 02:37:40 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 21 02:38:10 <DocScrutinizer> while I just thought "duh, look! there's an unused swap partition on my FR uSD. Let's try some fancy"
May 21 02:39:16 <ShadowJK> reswap is more like "defragment", by means of temporary swap partition and cycling your main swap off/on
May 21 02:39:22 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 21 02:39:34 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 21 02:39:37 <SpeedEvil> Te annoying issue is that swapoff is atomic
May 21 02:39:57 <SpeedEvil> So to get decent performance I guess you'd need a few hundred swapfiles.
May 21 02:40:07 <SpeedEvil> Which isn't impossible I suppose.
May 21 02:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> umm
May 21 02:40:33 <ShadowJK> But doesn't really play nice
May 21 02:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> a cronjob will do
May 21 02:40:58 * SpeedEvil should write that NBD shim.
May 21 02:41:14 <ShadowJK> you get horrible access patterns with multiple small swaps
May 21 02:41:17 <DocScrutinizer> better than Sony P1 rebooting via "cronjob"
May 21 02:41:35 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, linaro is thinking of doing it through llvm(?)
May 21 02:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> darn, is kswapd SO daunting?
May 21 02:42:26 <DocScrutinizer> so nobody dares to give some love to it, and fix the damn thing?
May 21 02:42:32 <SpeedEvil> I understand how to do it in nbd. It's simple userspace code.
May 21 02:42:43 <SpeedEvil> And it would be a proof of concept.
May 21 02:42:58 <SpeedEvil> So you could point someone with more clue at it.
May 21 02:42:59 <ShadowJK> this swap defragmentation scheme I have has the side effect of pushing random bits of apps and cache out of ram, so some things respond sluggishly for awhile after
May 21 02:43:14 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, it's not a trivial fix
May 21 02:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 21 02:43:56 <SpeedEvil> The nbd hack has the major flaw that it doesn't know about pages being thrown out but not overwritten on disk.
May 21 02:43:57 <DocScrutinizer> otoh I guess kswapd is "trivial", on a kernel metric
May 21 02:44:19 <ShadowJK> Nokia has done alot already to it actually.
May 21 02:44:19 <ShadowJK> What's missing is "garbage collection", or "runtime defragmentation", whatever you want to call it
May 21 02:44:25 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 21 02:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 21 02:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> coupled with CPU load detection
May 21 02:45:05 <DocScrutinizer> plus IO load of course
May 21 02:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> hell, back in the days they defragmented HDDs while the system been used
May 21 02:47:16 <Macer> heh
May 21 02:47:25 <Macer> maybe i should work on installing the sdk soon
May 21 02:47:34 <Macer> anybody here running it on a natty box?
May 21 02:47:38 <Macer> still uses scratchbox?
May 21 02:47:46 <SpeedEvil> Defragmentation would be pretty  much working out the least allocated    256K block - say - reading it and compacting, then writing out new.
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