**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 21 02:59:58 2011 May 21 03:17:07 Rumours of compcache used on N900+1 by default May 21 03:17:14 (sauce: tmo wastelands) May 21 03:17:21 I shoudl investigate that thing May 21 03:17:28 I wonder how it decicdes between swapout and compressing May 21 03:45:55 Bring jackets to MeeGoConf. It's chilly. May 21 05:09:28 "Since the rapture is tomorrow (May 21) at 6:00 pm local time (everywhere), I was just wondering: what plans does everyone have? I've got no specific plans for what to do. What will you be doing around 6:00 pm tomorrow?" -- Slashdot May 21 05:10:36 6 pm local time everywhere? May 21 05:11:08 No, US time. Also, I suspect only Americans will be taken. =) May 21 05:11:32 maybe a stupid new TV series start at that time or something and it was just publicity May 21 05:12:13 So, if you were walking the streets looking for nice cars with fish signs on them, forget it =) May 21 05:12:46 Sc0rpius: No, just another mad "christian" preacher. May 21 05:13:40 ya I'd pass May 21 05:13:42 the only thing that will collapse is twitter with these #rapture tweets everywhere May 21 05:13:56 not a bad thing. May 21 05:14:02 indeed :) May 21 05:14:57 ough Facebook and Twitter please humans, please think, thanks, sorry but in general that's my though May 21 05:15:06 t May 21 05:15:31 I've heard this Harold Camping guy already predicted the end of the world in 1994 and failed May 21 05:15:48 and of course there was 2000 May 21 05:16:02 and we have 2012 coming up as a big one May 21 05:16:04 and all weird dates like 11/11/11 May 21 05:16:08 lol May 21 05:17:26 Please remind me, when time() is supposed to expire? :) May 21 05:17:36 lol May 21 05:17:37 good morning May 21 05:18:14 Termana: good morning, though in my time zone it's the evening May 21 05:18:33 yigal, it is in mine too but: May 21 05:18:35 ~ugt May 21 05:18:36 ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html May 21 05:18:48 lol May 21 05:18:54 haha May 21 05:19:01 I didn't know that May 21 05:19:50 so it is always evening with an international gathering May 21 05:20:03 from that link: May 21 05:20:05 "Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. Resistance is futile. Your ass will be laminated. (geoman is exception to this rule - his ass will be fried instead). " May 21 05:20:37 well refrences from the Borg and laminated sound pretty scarry May 21 05:21:25 but in general I'm not ruled by fear :D May 21 05:22:21 ah Beck, Mellow Gold what a worthwhile album May 21 06:07:00 hm May 21 06:07:30 well.. let me see if i can understand these instructions on how to set up the maemo sdk May 21 06:07:42 is there a newer one for cssu? May 21 06:07:47 or is it still 1.3 May 21 06:08:26 shit.. my n900 is about to die... need to track down a charger May 21 06:08:33 figures May 21 06:09:05 die of what cause? May 21 06:14:36 er May 21 06:14:41 battery? May 21 06:17:54 Macer: if by SDK you mean scratchbox, it's the same. May 21 06:18:07 madde on the other hand for the qt12 libs is tricky May 21 06:19:30 alterego: ok. well. just tying to make a build environment May 21 06:19:36 and learn how to pkg stuff May 21 06:20:00 packaging stuff in Qt Creator is meh at best May 21 06:20:16 heh May 21 06:20:26 well.. i have never done it before May 21 06:20:35 so what it is is how i will learn May 21 06:20:37 Anyway, I've gotta go, I've got a plane to catch May 21 06:20:48 Packaging is better done in scratchbox May 21 06:21:04 madde/qt-creator packaging is pretty pointless imo May 21 06:21:11 wiki.maemo.org/mohammad7410/Packaging May 21 06:21:13 (though I've not tried the latest version of Qt Creator 2.2) May 21 06:21:19 Was gonna try that on the plane. May 21 06:21:22 Anyway, see you all later. May 21 06:21:32 I'll be back in about 15 hours (FROM SAN FRAN) :) May 21 06:30:04 safe travels May 21 07:00:07 * alterego is on coach to airport :) May 21 07:00:21 and still hung over. May 21 07:56:51 Any news on the N9? May 21 08:49:00 N9 averted rapture comensing :P May 21 08:50:14 Holy cow, 1,111 posts in 3 days .. May 21 08:50:26 Hehe May 21 08:50:31 At that rate it'll kill the android thread .. May 21 08:50:35 How many of these are from abill_uk? May 21 08:50:40 Hah May 21 08:51:09 How many of them are from people who only a week ago were saying they'd never get a Nokia again ... May 21 08:52:32 dunno May 21 08:52:57 I surveyed the area this morning, most posts are from happy android/iphone users being "clever" May 21 08:52:57 I'd say at leats 99% May 21 08:53:17 Heh May 21 08:53:28 Are you at the conf? May 21 08:53:32 nope May 21 08:54:28 I'm stuck on a boiling coach to the air port. May 21 08:54:35 The air con isn't working May 21 08:54:54 Will be over soon May 21 08:55:04 But there is a really hot girl sitting right behind me stairing at the back of my head. May 21 08:55:24 Is it a good thing or a bad thing? May 21 08:56:26 Not great, I'd rather be staring at the back of her head :) May 21 09:00:47 Threads like that are just ridiculous. May 21 09:00:59 It's impossible to catch up May 21 09:01:27 I doubt there's anything too interesting in there either. May 21 09:01:40 If you have got a good chocolate bar, slowly show it above your seat back, do not turn! =) May 21 09:02:00 alterego: I checked a few more intelligent ones, it is the same shit May 21 09:02:20 alterego: Stops being interesting after you figure out all the 4-5 possible outcomes May 21 09:02:44 Heh May 21 09:03:27 Whoops, I accidentally skipped 20 odd pages May 21 09:05:21 One amusing thing is how many people think that WP7 is a "completely new codebase". May 21 09:06:19 Yeah May 21 09:06:19 Another amusement is how many of these lemmings still wonder if N9 is "Harmattan or Meego" May 21 09:06:36 I mean, wasn't there a clear announcement about this? May 21 09:06:43 God, I've tried drumming that into their brains so many times. May 21 09:07:03 It;s Harmattan with a Meego frontend, right..? May 21 09:07:06 brains? what brains? May 21 09:07:08 And still, it seems like I'm fighting a battle that is impossible to win. May 21 09:07:16 robbiethe1st: no May 21 09:07:20 A zombie would starve on tmo posters... May 21 09:07:30 it's just f'ing Harmatten until Nokia says otherwise. May 21 09:07:59 The whole MeeGo certification debacle is Nokia trying to keep face. May 21 09:08:42 Great, no another girl to the right of me is throwing up. May 21 09:08:47 now .. May 21 09:08:47 It's just that I happen to know a former Nokia employee who told me that they apparently had Harmatten ready to go, then had to change some stuff for the MeeGo deal, and it's ended up being a whole mess of incompatible bits May 21 09:09:02 Of course, some stuff may have happened in the last 5 months, but... May 21 09:09:07 * alterego blames robbiethe1st for making my energy cause her to vomit. May 21 09:09:30 alterego: Consider it a mental preparation for the security check at the airport May 21 09:09:52 They're probably adding some meego apis, but it's still not meego May 21 09:09:58 It's not a meego core. May 21 09:10:06 It's not a meego handset May 21 09:10:15 it's harmatten all the way through :P May 21 09:10:35 Luckily I can't hear the baby screaming because my music is so loud. May 21 09:10:47 Any news on N9? May 21 09:11:53 * RST38h does not understand the excitement about Meego switch May 21 09:12:18 Maemo, Meego, Moblin, who cares? It has to be open/hackable enough and provide a decent user experience. May 21 09:12:30 RST38h: exactly May 21 09:13:31 I do a lot of stuff with MeeGo at the moment and I'm pretty happy about how it's coming together, problem is, no one has taken the initiative and actually shown us what a real meego device (handset) looks like. May 21 09:13:56 RST38h: and, actually, i don't understand what was bad with maemo so that it was abandoned in favor of meego May 21 09:14:35 slonopotamus: Same here May 21 09:15:25 Well, maemo is better really May 21 09:15:26 slono: finally, the third choice: http://l-pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/014fkt5a.jpg May 21 09:15:56 But for the sake of some eutopean vision Nokia and Intel want this universal platform. May 21 09:16:16 Shoulda stuck with Debian... May 21 09:16:22 alterego:I do suspect either company wanted something different from the deal, something for itself May 21 09:16:40 Hopefully it'll be great for Linux, not so great for Maemo or us because it'll take ages before we have a system as stable and optimized as maemo. May 21 09:16:41 alterego: But it is too late to guess now. May 21 09:16:41 alterego: what universal platform? ain't there separate ui in meego for each device type? May 21 09:16:56 slonopotamus_: seperate ux, same apis May 21 09:17:03 slono:anything below the UI is the same May 21 09:17:15 The UI choice is dictated by the use cases though May 21 09:17:23 alterego: ... how glib on meego is more universal than on maemo? May 21 09:17:26 slonopotamus_: likewise for vendors, they can make their own UXs May 21 09:17:49 or libxml, or whatever "anything below the ui" May 21 09:18:19 slonopotamus_: glib isn't an official api for meego (though it is there below apis that are) May 21 09:18:52 slonopotamus_: your argument is basically what Nokia is arguing, I'm not going to agree or disagree. May 21 09:18:58 It's a dead horse :) May 21 09:19:26 slono: Why are you concentrating your argument on GLib? There are way more APIs than just GLib May 21 09:19:28 And nothing to do with me :) May 21 09:19:45 slono: and yes, I am afraid alterego is right and it is a dead horse May 21 09:20:25 The more interesting question to ask would be why Intel suddenly switched from Debian to Fedora in Meego2? May 21 09:20:31 Sorry, Moblin2 May 21 09:20:40 moblin2? May 21 09:20:51 slonopotamus_: meegos mother May 21 09:21:03 maemo being the father that left ;) May 21 09:21:09 Well, there was a Debian based Moblin1, then Fedora based Moblin2 that got renamed to Meego. May 21 09:21:20 * slonopotamus_ thought there was only one moblin May 21 09:21:31 alterego: Father that got eaten, spider-style May 21 09:21:40 slono: Oh, no. May 21 09:22:41 :) May 21 09:23:22 zehjotkah has now explicitly said Nokia have been planning on distributing N9/50s in sf May 21 09:23:26 Interesting May 21 09:23:33 I'm still somewhat skeptical. May 21 09:25:08 If it true, I think I might give away one of my N900s to a needy cause, developer, maybe a competition. May 21 09:25:36 Or maybe a friend who's been eying mine up for ages :) May 21 09:25:59 gn.... can't wait to get to the conference w00b w00b May 21 09:26:32 :) May 21 09:41:37 alterego: How're you doing? May 21 09:41:50 * Jaffa is on the Heathrow Express May 21 09:43:01 Jaffa, you are heading for SF aren't you? May 21 09:43:16 lcuk: I am May 21 09:43:21 awesome May 21 09:44:08 Looking forward to it. Although I flew business class to the US last week, so 10 hrs in economy is suddenly unaopealing ;-) May 21 09:44:20 s/unaop/unapp/ May 21 09:44:21 Jaffa meant: Looking forward to it. Although I flew business class to the US last week, so 10 hrs in economy is suddenly unappealing ;-) May 21 10:11:51 Is there some chinese guys here ? May 21 10:40:44 robbiethe1st, accidently around here? May 21 10:40:47 uh May 21 10:42:10 if i re-format the optfs to ext3/ext4 i still can use backup made by backupmenu? or it stores the partition table too or such things witch may prevents this? May 21 10:42:31 optfs is ext3 May 21 10:42:40 ext2 May 21 10:42:48 and formatting it will make your phone not bootable May 21 10:43:39 Necc: You may have to go in and change the mount line so it can mount it as ext3/4, but otherwise there isn't any problem with /my/ application May 21 10:43:39 backupmenu related files stored on rootfs and that´s what i need to restore the files May 21 10:44:03 Hm... May 21 10:44:11 Necc: it will still make your phone not bootable May 21 10:44:12 Actually, make sure you can access SSH mode before you do it May 21 10:44:20 Necc: ext2 is hardcoded in couple scripts May 21 10:44:42 you may have to go in and re-format the partition as ext2 if you don't get everything fixed. May 21 10:44:53 and ext3 will wear your flash much faster May 21 10:45:00 and ext3 is slower on emmc May 21 10:46:05 lo jacekowski robbiethe1st May 21 10:47:33 ext2 collapsed 2 times in a row so far! May 21 10:48:04 Necc: then you have a hardware problem May 21 10:48:47 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/console_out.txt May 21 10:49:22 nah, i´m 99.9% sure it is a software issue May 21 10:49:47 as when it first happened i just simply restored a backup with backupmenu and didn formatted or something May 21 10:50:38 n99-mount: /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) May 21 10:50:45 n900 even May 21 10:51:07 now how hard was this? May 21 10:51:39 btw ext3 is backward compatible to ext2 May 21 10:52:14 i.e. you can mount an ext3 part as ext2 any time (given it umounted cleanly last time) May 21 10:53:46 it is a bit hard as i remember maemo completely re-generates /etc/fstab each reboot May 21 10:53:57 yes May 21 10:54:11 so what? May 21 10:54:27 what's your plan/problem? May 21 10:54:38 my problem is: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/console_out.txt May 21 10:55:46 what would be the easiest way to share your 3g connection and act like a wifi access point on the n900? May 21 10:55:56 i have tried with airbase-ng and failed May 21 10:56:12 Gyjf: it drains battery in like half an hour May 21 10:56:20 there´s a dedicated app for that, called ¨mobile-hotspot¨ May 21 10:56:55 it requires titan´s kernel or something else then the built-in one May 21 10:56:56 Necc: 1) your mmcblk0p2 is ext3, NOT ext2. May 21 10:57:02 2) May 21 10:57:04 Warning! /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted. May 21 10:57:06 Warning: skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check. May 21 10:57:10 Necc yes i looked at it but it says it can mess the kernel up May 21 10:57:37 DocScrutinizer, fsck.ext3 and fsck.ext2 calls the same binary: e2fsck May 21 10:57:46 so what? May 21 10:58:22 fsck.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 -n -v outouts exactly the same. 100% the same May 21 10:58:29 do you expect a live mounted fs to be "clean" in a e2fsck way? May 21 10:59:48 would be easier if i could ssh when it is not mounted (via backupmenu) but i fail at setting up USB-networking under windows May 21 11:00:01 your only option: use bootmenu to run a fsck on the non-mounted partition May 21 11:00:35 errr backupmenu May 21 11:01:42 if backupmenu builtin fsck doesn't cut thru it, due to a suboptimal cmdline+parameters, pester robbiethe1st May 21 11:02:04 Or add -y to it yourself... May 21 11:02:20 Gyjf, the kernel is read-only, it doesn´t messes up anything, i used it many times in the past May 21 11:02:40 ok May 21 11:03:17 i added -y (replaced arguments to -y -v) by myself and i got that mess since then May 21 11:04:08 will it work with the custom wireless bleading edge drivers for injection? May 21 11:10:09 depends on who made the custom wireless drivers, in most cases it should work however. Though you cannot get wl1251 in proper AP mode, only IBSS/AdHoc May 21 11:12:05 Hey guys May 21 11:13:48 any usb device should work with the n900 in hostmode right? May 21 11:14:12 basicaly yes May 21 11:14:17 No. May 21 11:14:23 What he said. May 21 11:14:29 well, mustn't eat too much power May 21 11:14:40 then i just need to get a converter May 21 11:14:42 And it must have ARM drivers. May 21 11:14:49 yes May 21 11:15:00 Many wireless cards will eat too much power. May 21 11:15:04 and not be too picky about timing etc May 21 11:15:06 but most usb wificards and keyboards? May 21 11:15:18 most wireless things I've seen want 300mA May 21 11:15:19 keyboards yes May 21 11:15:23 wifi no May 21 11:15:27 USB keyboards will work, most of them May 21 11:15:30 :( May 21 11:15:38 wifi however, not. Or you need huge luck May 21 11:15:40 You would need a teeny powered hub. May 21 11:15:54 wifi needs drivers, and usuallly a Y-cable or powered hub May 21 11:16:05 is extras-devel down? May 21 11:16:12 might be May 21 11:16:40 seems there've been problems and reports/questions since ~15h May 21 11:16:47 extras-testing seems to be down for me May 21 11:17:13 yeah May 21 11:17:33 it says the hash sum is wrong/doesn't match May 21 11:17:36 usual weekend holiday ;-) May 21 11:18:36 if you're lucky it's only an issue of some of the boxes, and occasionally load ballancing will route you to a working one May 21 11:19:29 or you jump the stepstones thru DNS and dig/host, and use an IP directly May 21 11:19:52 must be. just started working now ;) May 21 11:20:07 :nod: May 21 11:20:17 how about hdds then? they should be fine? May 21 11:20:35 generally yes, as long as not too much power again May 21 11:20:47 if its externaly powerd ones May 21 11:20:49 3.5" May 21 11:21:05 N900 H-E-N can deliver 200mA. Usual USB host does 500 May 21 11:21:17 3.5" - no dice usually May 21 11:21:36 nice, unlimited space for the phone :) May 21 11:21:51 but those quite frequently come with a dedicated powersupply anyway May 21 11:22:34 Gyjf: 3.5" needs way too much power on spinup May 21 11:22:40 for N900 May 21 11:23:09 some of them don't even work with standard USB hosts of laptops May 21 11:23:39 you definitely need a powered hub or dedicated wallwart PSU May 21 11:25:52 i mean ones with their own power May 21 11:26:01 ooh, you already anticipated that >> if its externaly powerd ones May 21 11:26:04 slapping an 4TB disk on the back of the phone? :) May 21 11:26:20 heh May 21 11:26:25 nah just 2tb atm May 21 11:26:28 why not :-D May 21 11:27:08 DocScrutinizer: can one enable hostmode and charging the same time (yes thats in no way standard conforming) May 21 11:27:24 ~hostmode-charging May 21 11:27:31 wtf May 21 11:27:40 liskeys hostmode May 21 11:27:45 ~liskeys hostmode May 21 11:27:53 :P May 21 11:27:58 ~listkeys hostmode May 21 11:27:59 Factoid search of 'hostmode' by key (3): hostmode-powered ;; hostmode ;; hostmode #DEL#. May 21 11:28:00 meh May 21 11:28:04 thanks for the ~answer :P May 21 11:28:13 ~hostmode-powered May 21 11:28:13 extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 May 21 11:29:05 ~hostmode-charging is see hostmode-powered May 21 11:29:05 okay, DocScrutinizer May 21 11:29:11 ~hostmode-charging May 21 11:29:11 it has been said that hostmode-charging is see hostmode-powered May 21 11:29:27 ~forget hostmode-charging May 21 11:29:28 DocScrutinizer: i forgot hostmode-charging May 21 11:29:31 * cehteh imagines a n900 dock ... disk, network, charging, usbhub with keyboard and TV out to a monitor haha May 21 11:29:35 ok, have anyone goten mumble to work propperly? May 21 11:30:20 ~hostmode-charging May 21 11:30:22 well, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 May 21 11:30:43 * DocScrutinizer grunts May 21 11:32:25 cehteh: well, I'm thinking about the same basically May 21 11:34:53 there was this hack which does framebuffer over usb to displayport .. but i think that stretches the limits a bit :) May 21 11:35:08 while tvout is crap but welll May 21 11:45:46 chem|st: ping May 21 11:46:14 cehteh: indeed, to both May 21 11:47:22 well, you should - iirc - talk to javispedro about the USB-fb thing May 21 11:47:38 it kinda worked for him May 21 11:47:42 OK May 21 11:47:48 yes i know .. but i dont really need it May 21 11:47:53 so where can i find instructions on installing the sdk in natty? May 21 11:47:54 :) May 21 11:48:01 hah May 21 11:48:28 getting some reasonable higher res out without degrading performance would be nice May 21 11:48:43 forget it May 21 11:48:50 but in either way this cant work well .. usb is to slow, ram is too low May 21 11:48:58 yep May 21 11:49:08 Macer: nfc. You searched the wiki? May 21 11:49:23 i'm looking now May 21 11:49:37 xvnc works ok ... but i guess thats the best you can get, while it needs a computer on the other side May 21 11:49:42 no direct monitor May 21 11:50:06 so do i use the fremantle sdk? May 21 11:50:12 i lose track of these names May 21 11:50:16 yes May 21 11:50:19 afaik May 21 11:50:31 Gyif: Yea, mumble works excellently last I tried it May 21 11:50:39 we're using fremantle OS May 21 11:50:58 maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py May 21 11:51:05 python script to install it huh? :) May 21 11:51:15 the GUI installer sucsk May 21 11:51:17 well, sounds like nice pain May 21 11:51:17 sucks* May 21 11:51:23 :-D May 21 11:51:52 Macer: listen to MohammadAG - he knows his stuff May 21 11:52:04 well, you can't resume for one May 21 11:52:14 and the packages aren't small May 21 11:52:21 a resume option is usually handy May 21 11:52:29 the packages are 915MBs May 21 11:52:35 MohammadAG: just talk him thru a std install May 21 11:52:41 using sdk on x86_64 is not supported but you can install it anyways May 21 11:52:53 so does that mean it doesn't work or that it is simply unsupported? May 21 11:53:04 Linux mohammad-i5laptop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux May 21 11:53:11 does that answer your question? :P May 21 11:53:12 thanks May 21 11:53:13 :) May 21 11:54:03 Macer: first thing: you need LOTS of free disk space, usually on / May 21 11:54:05 add vm.vdso_enabled = 0\nabi.vsyscall32 = 0\nkernel.vdso = 0 to /etc/sysctrl.conf May 21 11:54:18 err, sysctl.conf May 21 11:54:27 then sudo sysctl -p May 21 11:54:43 then just follow this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution May 21 11:54:44 *burp* May 21 11:54:50 ok. it's installing May 21 11:55:15 i have 62GB free May 21 11:55:19 that isn't enough to install this? May 21 11:55:26 it is :-) May 21 11:55:39 (\n are actually newlines, just cut them off for IRC) May 21 11:55:41 will only need 15% of this May 21 11:55:53 that's on this one tho.. if push comes to shove i can always just use my nfs May 21 11:55:58 can't be too bad over gbit May 21 11:56:39 so i'm guessing all this downloading is going to take a while.. so is it just like using the n900 except you have building tools? May 21 11:56:57 not really May 21 11:56:59 i need a pkg building 101 class.. going to start with these damn foomatic filters May 21 11:57:18 and maybe work on building an abiword that can print May 21 11:57:28 if that doesn't require mad dev skills :) May 21 11:57:38 prolly not May 21 11:58:00 this is a weaker box.. i should have put this on the quad core May 21 11:58:04 does scratchbox thread well? May 21 11:58:18 friggin scratchbox needs quite some skills, esp if you're used to use a *decent* unix environment, and not this crippled chroot shell May 21 11:59:11 heh May 21 11:59:41 so realistically.. can i build an entire maemo from this? similar to the base and flash it to my phone? May 21 12:00:14 2GBs are enough May 21 12:00:18 after testing everything out in xeyphr? May 21 12:00:39 scratchbox is basically a stripped maemo May 21 12:00:50 lacks camera, phone app, ovi maps, etc May 21 12:01:04 ~seen Venemo May 21 12:01:11 venemo <~Timur@timur.sch.bme.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 14h 46m 23s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG, you could easily make it happen'. May 21 12:01:50 ah ok May 21 12:02:07 Macer: basically you have a chroot environment that has bare minimum, in SB. So you probably want to edit/whatever using sth like 'myeditor /scratchbox/users/jr/home/jr/starhash-enabler.foo' then change to the xterm with SD and kick off a compile/build run May 21 12:02:57 is that where it stores by default? /scratchbox? May 21 12:03:03 yes May 21 12:03:19 ok. May 21 12:03:31 well once it is done with its 2 hr install i will tinker May 21 12:03:49 get the foomatic src and track deps down May 21 12:04:08 then nag you guys to teach me how to pkg it hahaha May 21 12:04:27 maybe start my macer abomination repo May 21 12:04:30 jr@halley:~> du -s /scratchbox/ May 21 12:04:32 4378204 /scratchbox/ May 21 12:04:46 ok, that's with kernel May 21 12:05:15 DocScrutinizer, you can edit in scratchbox's shell May 21 12:05:23 suuuuuure May 21 12:05:30 I bet it got vi May 21 12:05:42 * MohammadAG has a /Scratchyhome symlink though May 21 12:05:53 good plan May 21 12:08:00 Macer: also BEWARE as SB does some tricky bindmounts. Never do a poorly thought rm -rf /scratchbox/foo/bar - MohammadAG killed his whole system like that May 21 12:08:33 worse, my 100km-away-from-where-I-was server May 21 12:08:44 indeed May 21 12:08:57 a reboot should fix it, but `reboot` won't work without /dev May 21 12:09:05 or /tmp May 21 12:09:06 or /sysfs... May 21 12:09:11 hey how can i get root on terminal? May 21 12:09:19 i didn't know password =( May 21 12:09:22 type >>root<< May 21 12:09:34 there is no password May 21 12:09:47 you need to install rootsh pkg first May 21 12:10:11 (if all this is about maemo :-D ) May 21 12:10:29 DocScrutinizer, hehehehe yes.. i would like to install nitdroid-installer pkg.. but i need root to do this May 21 12:10:45 and to get root i need a pkg? how can i install a package without root? sorry i'm noob on maemo May 21 12:10:53 you know you're about to fsckup your system? May 21 12:11:14 nitdroid is *BAD* May 21 12:11:25 i love android =( May 21 12:11:40 i would like to try nitdroid =P May 21 12:11:48 what is fsckup? i'm sorry it's my first time on maemo May 21 12:11:55 never uninstalls, you need a reflash to get rid of it. But to compensate that, it borks your maemo every other week May 21 12:12:08 s=u May 21 12:12:34 is firefox mobile 5 (beta) available for maemo ? May 21 12:12:41 my friend uninstall android with software update on OVI.. back to factory defaults May 21 12:13:07 if I'm not here when Venemo's on May 21 12:13:14 yeah, that's basically a full flash I guess May 21 12:13:21 tell him he shouldn't include ALL of QtCore :/ May 21 12:13:25 ~tell licensed about flashing May 21 12:14:11 MohammadAG: /msgserv help May 21 12:14:22 DocScrutinizer, lots of users miss memos May 21 12:14:29 DocScrutinizer, yeah, he did this May 21 12:14:35 yeah, *sigh* May 21 12:14:48 newgrp: group 'sbox' does not exist May 21 12:14:49 V [07:03:42 21.05.2011]: Failed to install SDK May 21 12:14:52 Does anybody know if a Qt window can be manipulated to appear above the task manager. I am trying to work around the lock screen to make it customisable. May 21 12:14:53 awesome May 21 12:15:55 licensed: if you're not afraid to lose all your nicely configured wallpapers, apps, etc then go ahead with friggin nitdroid. If you're not a poor man though, I suggest you go for a used moto milestone and try proper andriod there May 21 12:16:11 DocScrutinizer, i bought my n900 yesterday.. have nothing =D May 21 12:16:19 and i'm sorry my poor english =x May 21 12:16:40 my n900 it's empty =D it's new May 21 12:16:42 best time to try, and get fed up and done with, nitdridiot May 21 12:17:09 well... hopefully manually creating the group won't cause that again May 21 12:17:11 ugh :) May 21 12:17:18 i should have done this remotely from my n900 May 21 12:17:25 licensed: your english is good enough. Anyway see /topic May 21 12:17:29 so i don't have to sit here and watch this May 21 12:18:04 Today is going to be a long day. May 21 12:18:04 i already saw.. i'm there right now =D thank you man May 21 12:18:10 GreatGonzo_, see MediaBar May 21 12:18:17 however, the task manager will always gain focus May 21 12:19:07 Qt::X11BypassWindowManagerHint set this attribute May 21 12:20:54 Macer: do I get it right you ignored MohammadAG's advice about NOT to use the installer-script as it will cause exactly that: abort @ 70% done, no resume, start over again May 21 12:20:56 That's what I am doing but as you said it doesn't ork with the task manager. May 21 12:21:17 oh May 21 12:21:20 didn't se that May 21 12:21:20 work not ork May 21 12:21:55 it was more like 40 :) May 21 12:22:18 macer in a week you're up to 70 ;-P May 21 12:23:26 hahahaha May 21 12:23:30 and a download volume of 500GB :-P May 21 12:23:37 i scrolled up and i don't see a warning May 21 12:24:46 Macer: >>[2011-05-21 13:50:45] add vm.vdso_enabled = 0\nabi.vsyscall32 = 0\nkernel.vdso = 0 to /etc/sysctrl.conf [...] ff May 21 12:26:02 Macer: >>> [2011-05-21 13:48:32] Macer: listen to MohammadAG - he knows his stuff [2011-05-21 13:48:45] well, you can't resume for one May 21 12:26:28 hey.. maemo is debian basead? pure linux.. coool May 21 12:26:42 can i have idle (python interpreter) on maemo? May 21 12:26:47 ok May 21 12:27:00 there is python on maemo May 21 12:27:09 almost inevitably May 21 12:28:03 licensed: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ May 21 12:28:09 do i have to do anything special after editing sysctrl.conf? May 21 12:28:16 like logout or reboot or some craziness? May 21 12:28:44 cooooool!! May 21 12:28:47 thank you May 21 12:29:02 maybe a reboot won't hurt, as it is changing some kernel parameters. Might be not needed, but for sure won't hurt May 21 12:29:16 doh! ok :) brb May 21 12:29:26 Macer: you seen the next line May 21 12:29:57 [2011-05-21 13:51:08] then sudo sysctl -p May 21 12:30:18 DocScrutinizer, as i said hour(s) ago, there´s no difference if i run fsck with robbiethe1st´s bakupmenu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/P1000138.JPG May 21 12:30:31 oh May 21 12:30:31 (sorry, sysctl noob here) May 21 12:30:41 DocScrutinizer: what time is it where you are? May 21 12:30:52 Well, you've evidently got a problem with your optfs May 21 12:30:52 14:27 May 21 12:30:59 ok.... May 21 12:31:00 Try wiping it, then fsck May 21 12:32:08 You may need to put it into USB Mass Storage mode, connect to a Linux PC, and reformat the partition from there May 21 12:32:16 then reflash anyway as whiping /opt will render it useless :-P May 21 12:32:32 No; he'll be able to restore an image over the new filesystem then May 21 12:32:40 yes, indeed May 21 12:32:41 and yes, BM works /without/ the OPtfs May 21 12:32:51 as long as he's using backupmenu for that May 21 12:33:06 MohammadAG, is there a way to send a signal to the task manager to "hide"? May 21 12:33:14 Or, yea... reflash, install BM, reload BM backup May 21 12:33:18 Anyway, I'm off. May 21 12:33:25 robbiethe1st: o/ May 21 12:34:02 GreatGonzo_, no, but you can play around with X to do that May 21 12:34:07 oh shit! i get a error trying install nitdroid :: formatting /dev/mmcb1k1p1 (vfat) FAILURE. Bailing out... anybody can help me? May 21 12:34:37 no help for nitdroid here :-) May 21 12:34:47 wmctrl -k on May 21 12:34:47 oh i'm sorry May 21 12:34:51 #nitdroid May 21 12:34:53 /join errrrr, #nitdroid ? May 21 12:34:55 i´m trying to re-format it but i can not set up USB networking because no proper driver for win x64 -.- May 21 12:35:08 DocScrutinizer, likes people here hates nitdroid, right? May 21 12:35:15 yes May 21 12:35:21 see /topic May 21 12:35:36 LOOOL May 21 12:35:39 MohammadAG, I was afraid I had to. X11 knowledge is minimal. May 21 12:36:12 uhm May 21 12:36:33 error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key May 21 12:37:15 oh May 21 12:37:17 read that wrong May 21 12:37:21 *burp* May 21 12:38:12 error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key May 21 12:38:30 is he yanking my chain or something? :) May 21 12:38:41 error: "nabi.vsyscall32" is an unknown key May 21 12:39:31 hmm, I'm temped to say "google is your friend", but probably that's explained on the wikipage as well May 21 12:39:58 no. the wiki only has one thing required for the sysctl.conf May 21 12:40:22 Macer, two of the three keys should fail May 21 12:40:31 s/should/will May 21 12:40:39 Macer: btw \nabi isn't nabi, but abi May 21 12:41:43 Macer: please reread your channel scrollup *carefully* and completely (for that few lines) May 21 12:42:41 i noticed that DocScrutinizer May 21 12:42:50 i changed it and placed them on different lines May 21 12:42:59 echo -e "vm.vdso_enabled = 0\nabi.vsyscall32 = 0\nkernel.vdso = 0" May 21 12:43:46 fine, so as MohammadAG said, two of the 3 are expected to throw error May 21 12:44:08 aiui as long as one gets accepted, everything just fine May 21 12:44:15 yep May 21 12:44:28 it depends on the kernel being used I guess May 21 12:44:36 sure May 21 12:44:40 obviously May 21 12:45:05 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ sudo sysctl -p | error: "vm.vdso_enabled" is an unknown key | abi.vsyscall32 = 0 | error: "kernel.vdso" is an unknown key May 21 12:45:14 hey last thing... what the best 3d game on maemo? (to shows graphics powerfull) May 21 12:45:31 same old bounce May 21 12:45:37 none of them are :) May 21 12:45:51 all 4 are invalid keys May 21 12:45:52 nah, bounce is neat May 21 12:46:01 they're only three keys... May 21 12:46:47 google directed me to a 4th in the threads May 21 12:46:54 http://www.pastie.org/1937922 May 21 12:47:57 am i missing something here? May 21 12:49:34 licensed: there's been that free game that comes with maemo, maybe it's called bounce May 21 12:50:28 i got.. thank you =D May 21 12:50:49 Bounce is awesome. May 21 12:50:57 It's a pity there were no more levels. May 21 12:50:59 the real hype is angry birds though May 21 12:51:20 no 3D but nonetheless May 21 12:51:52 my personal favourite is numpty physics May 21 12:52:00 oh.. i can do it with sysctl May 21 12:52:08 well.. guess i should read this wiki :) thanks. i'll get it going May 21 12:52:18 I think I spent most hours on 'blocks' May 21 12:52:29 Or closely tied with angry birds. May 21 12:53:10 I'm clearly spending all my time on xchat :-P May 21 12:53:32 Well - that's not really a game as such. May 21 12:53:34 MohammadAG, btw sorry about the lack of progress on the OMP entertainmentview. I tried to get an answer re reparenting of components on the qml mailing list but there was only silence. May 21 12:54:10 \o/ vivid community there May 21 12:54:16 got it May 21 12:54:18 :) May 21 12:55:25 GreatGonzo_, no worries, I wouldn't expect a reply from Qt lists anyway :P May 21 12:55:51 MohammadAG: nuke it!!! May 21 12:56:27 won't be 2 days, rather 2 months ;-) May 21 12:56:43 or simply never makes it upstream May 21 12:57:01 I could work in something like the lyrics widget but you have plans for that alread ;-) May 21 12:58:32 monitoring mafw is actually pretty easy May 21 12:58:39 your widget has better looks anyway :p May 21 12:59:07 ooh, thought you were about to fix borked qt4.7.? May 21 12:59:26 nah, OMP May 21 12:59:44 That is saying something. I am normally all thumbs when it comes to design. May 21 13:03:32 * DocScrutinizer muses aout necessity to quickly change recent MMI of embedded, or evolution will create man with 3 thumbs plus a stiff support built from last two fingers, on each hand May 21 13:05:20 hi guys :) May 21 13:05:21 sorta like parrots or chameleons May 21 13:05:35 i'm trying to get hold of that mobwebgmail thingy but having no luck May 21 13:05:38 hi MoonTiger May 21 13:05:40 any idea where i can get it from? May 21 13:06:23 mobwebgmail thingy? May 21 13:06:35 the gmail app browser thing May 21 13:07:10 errrr, there's some sort of gmail-sync iirc May 21 13:07:26 uhm May 21 13:07:49 Macer: MoonTiger got his first N900 yesterday May 21 13:07:55 MoonTiger: have no idea what you are talking about May 21 13:08:06 Crochik Mobwebmail May 21 13:08:22 its in the maemo talk forums and in ovi store May 21 13:08:30 aaah Mr Crochik May 21 13:08:33 but there is supposed to be a download avilable May 21 13:08:44 problem? May 21 13:08:51 nah May 21 13:08:52 noob question, but not mkfs is the ¨format¨ under linux? May 21 13:08:56 just a known name May 21 13:09:05 Necc: yes May 21 13:09:07 any idea where i can download the app? May 21 13:09:12 ._. May 21 13:09:34 rob´s backupmenu doesn includes mkfs.ext3 ._. May 21 13:09:41 MoonTiger: http://maemo.org/packages/ May 21 13:10:32 Necc: indeed, it's not supposed to format partitions May 21 13:10:48 Necc: i just started using backupmenu today to backup.. dont think it formats May 21 13:10:53 DocScrutinizer, thnx ... very odd ... i tried that link an hour ago and it failed May 21 13:11:20 and yes i am a n900 beginner BUT i have had an n810 for years May 21 13:11:21 :) May 21 13:11:27 ._. May 21 13:11:28 it is the maemo equal of android recovery May 21 13:11:40 but doesnt part/format the sd May 21 13:11:40 i want to format /dev/mmcblk0p2 FFS! May 21 13:11:46 MoonTiger: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobwebmail/ May 21 13:12:01 Necc: then do it from within maemo in xterm May 21 13:12:08 MoonTiger: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mail&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same May 21 13:12:17 DocScrutinizer, yes i have a deb file now but it wasnt there earlier i swear :| May 21 13:12:37 /home/ or /opt/ is not formatable under maemo! (filesystem is in use) May 21 13:12:49 Necc: indeed May 21 13:13:07 MoonTiger: i found the mail for exchange + imap for gmail works great May 21 13:13:07 that's rather tricky to do, almost impossible May 21 13:13:25 ahhhhhhh cool ... when i connect usb in mass storage mode it is only the memory card that gets mounted :) May 21 13:13:35 macer ... really? May 21 13:13:43 can you decide what folders to subscribe to? May 21 13:13:44 eMMC and uSD, yes May 21 13:13:54 yes. contacts and calendar sync May 21 13:14:01 i want to mount up root, and run the mkfs.ext3 from there... but i has no idea what should be the root in /dev/ now (under bacupmenu´s /dev) May 21 13:14:06 oh wow i will try it May 21 13:14:09 oh. dont think so :/ May 21 13:14:13 do i need to grab a package? May 21 13:14:16 no May 21 13:14:21 it is in settings May 21 13:14:23 i will try it May 21 13:14:24 :) May 21 13:14:33 mail doesnt work with it tho May 21 13:14:44 you have to set up imap in a client May 21 13:14:52 Necc: probably best practice is what robbiethe1st suggested: make a backup, reflash rootfs and eMMC, then install backupmenu again and restore May 21 13:14:55 hmmmmmmm but calendar and contacts sounds good May 21 13:15:08 but my contacts and calendar sync May 21 13:15:09 i have an android device too and my contacts are in my gmail acc May 21 13:15:15 me too May 21 13:15:18 i have a g2 May 21 13:15:28 so it helps May 21 13:15:28 htc desire rooted and running oxygen :) May 21 13:15:30 Necc: moment please (for mount rootfs) May 21 13:15:34 especially the contacts May 21 13:15:50 i dont really use the calendar much but got it going May 21 13:16:03 reflashing with vanilla is not an option, i have custom partitions as i store the debian image (for easydebioan) inside optFS instead of the MyDocs May 21 13:16:08 Necc: ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) May 21 13:16:12 yah i dont have that many calendar items but its useful for flights and appts etc May 21 13:16:14 man mount May 21 13:16:28 thx May 21 13:16:40 DocScrutinizer: SYN May 21 13:16:43 the calendar has to be empty i think May 21 13:16:50 ACK May 21 13:16:53 SYN May 21 13:16:57 and i set it to "device takes priority" May 21 13:17:09 so far so good May 21 13:17:17 Macer, i'll try it out ... think i really have to get my mgcal applet running on the N900 May 21 13:17:20 instructions are online somewhere May 21 13:17:45 but like i said... mail doesnt work :( May 21 13:17:51 it can receive but not send May 21 13:17:59 RST May 21 13:18:05 hangs when trying to send via exchange May 21 13:18:23 ok May 21 13:19:09 so did the world end? May 21 13:19:15 * Macer peeks outside May 21 13:19:33 waiting on these earthquakes all day yesterday May 21 13:19:57 oh and today i tried the bless camera thing ... wow ... the hdr mode really takes awesome pics :) May 21 13:20:10 wait until next year.. all the cooks will come out of the woodwork May 21 13:20:18 i never understood bless May 21 13:20:26 takes awesome pictures May 21 13:20:35 does the standard cam app not use the hardware well? May 21 13:21:42 i am curious as to how or why it takes better pics May 21 13:21:45 blessn900 does series of images and makes a better quality one by some kind if software interpolation May 21 13:21:54 *of May 21 13:21:58 ah ok May 21 13:22:50 aaaaah May 21 13:23:02 i? gona reinstall backupmenu 0.56 after this mess May 21 13:23:21 using the lock screen doesn´t reboots my device... May 21 13:27:11 Macer: yes - Elop got taken. May 21 13:27:17 Macer: maemo is back on. May 21 13:37:55 maemo is back on? how? why? May 21 13:38:06 because new device will be released soon? May 21 13:39:49 (02:15:50 PM) Macer: so did the world end? May 21 13:39:59 Sorry - I'm not fully woken up today May 21 13:40:11 same over here May 21 13:48:14 world not ended here May 21 13:48:22 not quite 18:00 yet though May 21 13:48:23 >.> May 21 13:48:27 I'll keep y'all posted. May 21 13:48:36 what? May 21 13:53:44 Dr Dre will go first. Can't have rapture without Rap. May 21 13:55:26 Hmm... I was downloading stuff via application manager, and then it interupted and now when syncing email with my exchange-account it says "storage full". gmail account works. any ideas how to fix that? May 21 13:57:14 * GeneralAntilles hopes he isn't forgetting anything. May 21 13:58:03 well I'm not really used with working with linux.. May 21 14:06:22 okay... weirdly after reboot apt-get autoclean fixed that. May 21 14:21:02 have you heard that if you go to random english wikipedia page May 21 14:21:19 and then click first link on that page May 21 14:21:27 and few next pages May 21 14:21:36 you will always end up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy May 21 14:25:09 well theorically if you have endless time and buch of monkeys, they will write some works of Shakespeare eventually. May 21 14:25:33 all works of all writer May 21 14:25:39 does it have to be a certain kind of monkey May 21 14:25:42 or will any kind do? May 21 14:26:14 any kind May 21 14:26:21 amti: thing is that it's more than random May 21 14:26:27 since it is endlesss time, it doesn matter May 21 14:27:10 wouldn't it be faster if you got some monkeys that are better suited to handle writing equipment May 21 14:27:35 I would just go to library and pick one of the already written ones... May 21 14:27:48 better to make acode witch sandomgenerates text, and push a lot TB capacity to store it May 21 14:28:30 in theory, part of that random generated code will be actually shakespeare :| May 21 14:30:10 wouldn't you infringe an awful lot of copyright since you give the monkeys endless time? May 21 14:33:24 or would be monkeys do everything what is possible so if no one else owns that specific copyright, you would own everything? May 21 14:40:26 so basically after "endless time" you would own copyright to everything possible because "you already startet working on it ages ago"? May 21 15:24:17 do you own a n900 and have a invisible shield on it? May 21 16:55:40 Ah, the airport. May 21 16:55:59 * GAN900 managed to avoid any "Opt out!" theatrics. May 21 17:06:36 oh wow May 21 17:06:43 I saw a tv ad for a Nokia phone May 21 17:07:05 C7 + 6 months spotify premium May 21 17:07:26 * ShadowJK wonders what happened to Ovi^WNokia Music Unlimited May 21 17:07:29 It seems 'comes with music' won't die May 21 17:07:50 That reminds me, I forgot to claim my free tracks for the n900. May 21 17:07:54 ah it was CWM May 21 17:58:32 o/ timsamoff May 21 17:58:55 timsamoff, make it through the TSA gauntlet OK? May 21 17:59:19 TSA is my nemesis. May 21 17:59:45 I just play it really friendly May 21 17:59:52 Usually gets me through without any groping. May 21 18:00:47 Unfortunately, I have parts that make TSA buzz. May 21 18:01:01 e there taking your baggage off the plane to toss through it May 21 18:01:20 rofl May 21 18:02:23 Ah, that'll make it fun. May 21 18:03:02 Playing friendly isn't worth it May 21 18:03:44 They do not give a damn about your friendliness May 21 18:03:55 Search for the Twitter hashtag #preflightmassage . ;) May 21 18:05:45 RST38h, usually works better than being an asshole. May 21 18:05:54 The average TSA agent isn't a bad person. May 21 18:06:49 Being asshole also isn'tworth it May 21 18:07:12 Treating them as unsentient fixtures works though May 21 18:07:37 This is also more-or-less the South, people respond to friendly. ;) May 21 18:10:06 I had to break the winter clothes back out for SF. May 21 18:10:31 Ah, true. May 21 18:10:48 To a certain degree, anyway May 21 18:10:52 Yes May 21 18:11:11 New York they'll be lubing up their latex. May 21 18:25:13 moo javispedro May 21 18:25:24 evening May 21 18:25:42 so, how's stuff, getting ready for conf? May 21 18:28:36 * javispedro reads /topic and wonders why nitdroid still uses multiboot... May 21 18:29:05 * GAN900 is now exactly as close to boarding as he was 20 minutes ago. May 21 18:33:18 that's why if i have a choice between plane or train i'll go for train May 21 18:34:10 yepyep May 21 18:34:14 Trains are for hippies. May 21 18:34:28 you're saying it like it's something bad May 21 18:34:55 though the stinky amish are if enough complain relagated to there own car May 21 18:35:03 Trains are currectly pointless for most potential routes in the US. May 21 18:35:25 well, here i can go to big part of europe faster on train than on plane May 21 18:35:40 Metropolitan density. May 21 18:35:53 wel/l you got a decent system that ppl iuse there May 21 18:36:04 and stupid anti-travel regulations. May 21 18:36:13 (abolish the TSA) May 21 18:36:21 the TSA feeling you up again? May 21 18:37:15 if it would be my choice there would be no security at all May 21 18:41:17 I avoided it. May 21 18:41:22 Yes, I agree. May 21 18:41:28 It's all theater. May 21 18:41:53 It just hurts everybody economically (which is the whole point of terrorism operations). May 21 18:42:17 Not the beuraeuoeoereuruecrats of the TSA. May 21 18:42:50 It actually does hurt them May 21 18:43:02 Increased budget never hurts! May 21 18:43:19 It doesn't matter what you do with it - it's how you measure your success in government. May 21 18:43:33 And how you get a good job at a lobbying firm after you leave. May 21 18:43:58 Won't you please think of all the poor high-priced-call-girls and cocaine! May 21 18:54:21 anything official with meego on that phone ? May 21 18:54:36 Which phone? May 21 18:54:41 n9 May 21 18:54:53 No, nothing official. May 21 18:54:56 damn May 21 18:55:00 i love my n900 May 21 18:55:18 but shit need faster processor more ram May 21 18:56:22 I think that you can in principle double the amount of rAM, and bump the processor speed by 20%. May 21 18:56:37 I've not found somewhere that will source small quantities of the memories though. May 21 18:56:47 Also - there are major issues with upgrade yields. May 21 18:56:55 they will almost def decrease flash space May 21 18:57:02 that 30gb on the n900 came out of nowhere May 21 18:57:04 Flash space is 100^ pountless May 21 18:57:09 100% May 21 18:57:23 32G now is a _lot_ cheaper than it was 2 years ago. May 21 18:57:49 true but i would easily trade off that much space for a faster processor and more ram May 21 18:58:01 Fair enough. May 21 18:58:02 i'm fine with my 16gb sd cartridge May 21 18:58:15 The ROM/RAM in the n900 case is soldered ontop of the chip. May 21 18:58:18 i prey for hdmi out but i don't think its going to happen May 21 18:58:20 on top of the CPU May 21 18:58:50 upgrading it to 512M/512M (and leaving the 32G RAM there would be a completely trivial mod. May 21 18:58:52 hehe prey 4 hdmi May 21 18:59:02 (for nokia) May 21 18:59:20 It's literally a case of 'solder on a different chip'. May 21 18:59:27 They are completeyl compatible. May 21 19:00:31 nothing is compatible May 21 19:00:43 jacekowski: ? May 21 19:00:44 there are always some differences May 21 19:01:02 jacekowski: Compatible as in specced to work with the omap3530 May 21 19:01:05 and doubling amount of ram means 2xmore transistors May 21 19:01:11 Indeed. May 21 19:01:15 lot of stuff can go wrong May 21 19:01:24 power consumption may change May 21 19:01:59 It's similar. May 21 19:02:18 * SpeedEvil suspects jacekowski is just playing the devils avocado. May 21 19:02:44 In practice - you can't get these chips in singles. May 21 19:03:33 thats the other thing they better do right, battery on n900 was prolly its worst aspect, even though the scud battery is awesome May 21 19:03:47 xd13: It depnds. May 21 19:03:49 i'm just saying that that kind of stuff is working on thin border between working and not working at all May 21 19:03:55 Battery life can be very good. May 21 19:04:05 and modification like that isn't just plug&play May 21 19:04:10 I get closing on 10 days in the truly minimal case. May 21 19:04:12 you have to do loads of testing after that May 21 19:04:22 (5 days practically) May 21 19:04:35 (truly minimal = suspend-RAM, modem off, wifi off May 21 19:04:58 ya allow me to turn the wifi and internets off May 21 19:05:13 i don't mind waiting for a few seconds to connect online May 21 19:05:15 Practically, 5 days with ssh over wifi active once a minute. May 21 19:05:38 If you bring up 3G, and do intermittent transfer over that, battery life drops into the toilet. May 21 19:05:54 More constant transfer, and teh toilet flushes. May 21 19:08:50 hahah May 21 19:09:00 exactly May 21 19:10:01 and those aren't numbers out anybody's arse, see SpeedEvil's incredible awesome power-consumption_hardware wikipage May 21 19:10:03 I went through 2 batteries yesterday. May 21 19:10:20 Being out from 10AM to 6PM May 21 19:10:30 ya May 21 19:10:40 if you consistently use the phone battery is horrible May 21 19:10:45 I thought that as I had 2, I didn't really need to bother with power saving, so I left it on 3G, not force it to 2G May 21 19:10:59 To be fair - 3G is pretty much inheerently a power hog. May 21 19:11:05 inherently. May 21 19:13:13 ~power May 21 19:13:13 i heard power is for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power, or the derivative of energy with respect to time May 21 19:13:17 yeah May 21 19:13:23 ~#maemo power May 21 19:13:23 #maemo power is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption May 21 19:15:27 in fact infobot is right again, it *ought* be N900_Hardware_Energy_Consumption May 21 19:16:29 but as we all do it.. ;-D May 21 19:17:56 ummm, maybe it's just the "consumption" part that's a bit odd :-) May 21 19:19:25 It would be energy if it was specified as over a constant period of time. May 21 19:19:36 yeah May 21 19:19:38 It's a power consumption if it's a power measurement May 21 19:19:54 it is, in fact May 21 19:20:00 all on that page is May 21 19:20:22 (a power measurement) May 21 19:20:57 the correct German term translated would be "power intake" May 21 19:21:25 as opposed to power output May 21 19:21:38 or power yielding May 21 19:23:21 a lightbulb has 60W power intake, and an energy consumption of 3600J/s May 21 19:25:19 wouldnt "Energieumsatz" be the better word? :) May 21 19:26:32 an idle N900 has a power intake of 3.6mA * 4V = 14.4mW, and a energy consumption of 0.0144Wh/h May 21 19:26:51 cehteh: "Leistungsaufnahme" May 21 19:28:30 a BP-5J - according to writing on it - holds an energy of 4.9Wh May 21 19:29:33 ~4.9 / 0.0144 May 21 19:29:33 340.277777777778 May 21 19:29:40 hours standby May 21 19:30:26 unless trackerd starts up :P May 21 19:30:42 lol, yeah May 21 19:36:10 3600J/minute of course May 21 19:36:52 or 3600 Ws / 60seconds May 21 19:37:29 or 60Wh / h May 21 19:38:47 * DocScrutinizer waves at javispedro May 21 19:45:15 i need a little help: witch package uses /opt/qtm12/plugins directory? May 21 19:53:26 ovi xmpp service just stopped working today May 21 19:56:41 Forget Ovi May 21 20:00:24 Necc, libqtm-12-multimedia May 21 20:00:36 funny that I'm playing with that (and failing) right now May 21 20:00:44 ty ty ty May 21 20:10:37 any merit in this, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012180#post1012180 ? May 21 20:13:40 I hate undocumented shit. May 21 20:13:49 Downloaded patch - but tl;dr May 21 20:14:12 one hint "cgroup" May 21 20:14:18 it probably fiddles with the priorities May 21 20:14:34 Only so much you can do with that though, as main source of jitter is I/O starvation May 21 20:15:19 alrighty May 21 20:15:25 going line for line with this scratchbox install May 21 20:16:55 weeeeeeeee May 21 20:23:15 i have space problems when i try to install nitdroid my installer.log http://pastebin.ca/2066349 May 21 20:23:34 ShadowJK: I saw the cgroup stuff, but I'd have to read on what it does May 21 20:23:41 licensed: topic May 21 20:24:40 licensed: there is a #nitdroid May 21 20:25:41 omg May 21 20:25:55 wrong channel i'm so sorry chx Macer May 21 20:26:59 i'm still trying to install the sdk heh May 21 20:29:04 /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh has not been run! May 21 20:29:04 ln: creating symbolic link `/scratchbox/users/mace/home/user': No such file or directory May 21 20:31:33 /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh has not been run! May 21 20:31:41 wtf. there IS NO run_me_first.sh May 21 20:34:11 ok i'm lost May 21 20:34:12 wtf May 21 20:34:34 i am trying to add a scratchbox user but get run_me_first has not been run but there isn't a /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh to run May 21 20:34:37 anybody ? May 21 20:41:21 omg this is retarded May 21 20:43:33 I don't recall that script May 21 20:43:38 or having to run it... May 21 20:44:21 well.. i installed scratchbox from the maemo wiki May 21 20:44:27 and tried to install the sdk May 21 20:44:45 and i get an error saying user mace not scratchbox user... and to add the user May 21 20:46:30 and when i try to run thScratchbox installation found... yes May 21 20:46:30 Scratchbox home directory... no May 21 20:46:43 i downloaded the run_me_first.sh script from scratchbox.org May 21 20:46:45 and ran it May 21 20:48:00 ugh... FINALLY May 21 20:48:21 the sdk is installing now. what a pain. the scratchbox pkg for the sdk has GOT to be broken May 21 20:48:31 but then again i am sure there is no further dev on the sdk May 21 20:50:07 WELL.. looks like this is going to take a while :) May 21 20:54:01 omg wtf May 21 20:54:10 installing this scratchbox shit is like pulling teeth May 21 20:55:10 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of maemo-core-runtime: May 21 21:03:28 this sdk is totally screwed May 21 21:03:34 no wonder maemo was discontinued May 21 21:09:49 Hey I presume I want the map files for 3.0 not 2.0 on this site for my N900 Ovi Maps? http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm May 21 21:10:14 I'd use the windows map downloader thing - but I'm on linux, need the direct links May 21 21:12:30 yeah i think you want 3.0 May 21 21:14:04 gonna reformat my n900 and put pr1.3 on fresh - with an ext3 emmc :P May 21 21:14:19 is pr1.4 a likelihood? May 21 21:14:40 dont think so May 21 21:15:19 there only is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU May 21 21:15:29 (which i still havent tried myself) May 21 21:16:26 and btw there also is another mapping/routing app using openstreetmap data: https://code.google.com/p/monav/ May 21 21:19:25 is there anything special to do, to recieve MMS with fMMS? May 21 21:24:30 Hey all May 21 21:25:15 It's an offtopic question but is there any java application to block calls? The phone is an X3 (original) May 21 21:27:41 I have doubts about java having that much access May 21 21:27:47 In any case, this is the wrong channel :) May 21 21:28:08 i know, i tried googling it so I'm asking it as a last resort May 21 21:28:10 Processing was halted because there were too many errors. May 21 21:28:10 E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) May 21 21:28:13 E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-debug on FREMANTLE_ARMEL target. May 21 21:28:18 ok i think i am about to give up on this crap May 21 21:28:25 it was a good idea but this thing does not work May 21 21:28:52 I just used the vm image instead.. May 21 21:29:00 But even that one has bugs May 21 21:29:05 it is retarded May 21 21:29:14 how can you have an sdk that is so poorly constructed May 21 21:29:18 no wonder it was abandoned May 21 21:29:36 devs probably spent half a week trying to get the sdk to work May 21 21:29:46 ShadowJK: where can i get the image? May 21 21:30:18 if it works in vbox i will try that out instead.. but i was hoping to do this without running any virtualization May 21 21:30:36 what a waste of life that was May 21 21:31:05 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php May 21 21:31:05 i think if the cssu ver was serious... they would fix the sdk May 21 21:33:06 ShadowJK: thanks. i'm taking a break again from this .. maybe i will try the image May 21 21:33:22 The real error message is most likely before the part you pasted btw May 21 21:33:29 but as far as installing the sdk on natty.. i don't knohat the issue s but it does not work May 21 21:33:37 yes. dependencies are missing for some reason May 21 21:33:39 tons of them May 21 21:33:52 which makes no sense because it is installing them in a sb chroot May 21 21:34:23 dpkg: error processing libgstfarsight0.10-0-dbg (--configure): May 21 21:34:23 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured May 21 21:34:23 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libtelepathy-farsight0-dbg: May 21 21:34:23 libtelepathy-farsight0-dbg depends on libtelepathy-farsight0 (= 0.0.13-0maemo6+0m5); however: May 21 21:34:26 Package libtelepathy-farsight0 is not configured yet. May 21 21:34:34 almost all the pkgs look like that May 21 21:35:05 maybe i should try the smallest install May 21 21:35:05 in the ubuntu vm you constantly have to fight to find every possible resolv.conf and fix them, because the point to some junk servers (probably nokia internal?).. Also there was some apt config somewhere telling it to use a proxy server, but I dont remember if that was in the Maemo SDK or somewhere else... May 21 21:35:57 maybe i can go ahead and try just installing the runtime env and adding requirements from there May 21 21:36:14 but yeah.. it looks like the sdk install is totally screwed May 21 21:36:22 how maemo was even able to get any apps i will never know May 21 21:36:53 i bet installing the ios and winmob sdks are not nearly as difficult May 21 21:37:14 didn't work in wine May 21 21:37:16 ;p May 21 21:40:35 hahahah May 21 21:40:39 well.. this sdk is screwed May 21 21:40:45 i'm done wasting my time with it May 21 21:45:08 I think one issue is that it's not an SDK May 21 21:45:21 like, it's halways to being some sort of emulator May 21 21:46:01 Connection delayed 80 minutes. Kill me. May 21 21:46:33 /kill GAN900 May 21 21:47:50 MohammadAG: how the hell did you get this sdk to install in natty?? May 21 21:48:07 i am running the installer script and get nothing but dependency errors May 21 21:50:15 Macer, I carried it over from Ubuntu 10.10 May 21 21:50:48 with some minor changes May 21 21:53:19 Macer, I could even install it on my F15, so I'm pretty sure you could install on bugbuntu May 21 21:55:55 Venemo: well. not with the script May 21 21:56:15 i have no idea why the dependencies are all screwed up May 21 21:56:26 Idunno either May 21 21:56:28 but then again .. i'm not a dev.. i'm just trying to make a build env so i can try building src May 21 21:56:33 mhm May 21 21:56:42 I gotta go sleep now May 21 21:56:45 maybe a real dev could fix this but i can't :) May 21 21:56:46 bb :) May 21 21:57:07 Macer, well, I've never used ubuntu so I can't really help you there sorry May 21 21:57:16 np.. thanks anyways May 21 21:57:26 i just figure it is odd considering it is trying to install in a chroot May 21 21:57:34 MohammadAG, good night friend :) May 21 21:57:34 the distro shouldn't matter at that point May 21 21:57:50 sb runs May 21 21:58:03 ah well.. whatever. :) going to get some pina colada mix May 21 21:58:14 Night Venemo May 21 22:13:45 heh, plotting both reads and writes of swap partition yields pretty funky picture May 21 22:15:02 Do you have spinny 3D infographics, with a banging baseline to make your point? May 21 22:15:41 no :) May 21 22:16:11 Where ar eyou getting reads from? May 21 22:16:58 * SpeedEvil is listening to Radio 1 turned up to 11. May 21 22:17:53 the meego event starts tomorrow right ? May 21 22:17:58 i mean May 21 22:17:59 monday May 21 22:18:02 ? May 21 22:18:51 SpeedEvil, same source May 21 22:19:00 ah May 21 22:19:05 I filter on the mmcblk1p2 partition name May 21 22:19:11 random apps page fault in pages May 21 22:19:40 I missed that. May 21 22:20:15 I only swa block writes May 21 22:21:13 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/swap2.png May 21 22:21:17 Macer: I even managed to install that on a RPM based Suse :-) But it took me like 1.5 days, and I had a pretty god howto somebody pointed me at (I think it's been jebba) May 21 22:21:52 (if a read took place, I plotted write as 0, and other way around) May 21 22:22:30 Not understanding the graph. May 21 22:23:21 bytes on Y axis. "Event number" on X May 21 22:23:24 hey.. what the correct method to access root? 'root' or 'sudo gainroot'? May 21 22:23:49 Essentially it shows that writes are sequential, and reads are random May 21 22:24:04 Pretty much as expected. May 21 22:24:28 Interestingly, some workloads show alot of reads of recently swapped out data (lots of blue dots near the red), and then there's a portion where almost no data was swapped out, but there was a lot of swap in activity May 21 22:24:49 and then there's a whole white-ish area.. I suspect this was after fennec was closed :) May 21 22:25:22 Oh - right - left axis is K in the disk May 21 22:25:27 licensed: usually "root" May 21 22:25:34 How far in a write is. May 21 22:25:50 Hence the red line on the outside May 21 22:26:00 There's read access of almost entire device (from bottom to top)... so fragmentation must be pretty bad May 21 22:26:01 DocScrutinizer, i would like to use apt-get install.. i use root? May 21 22:26:07 yes May 21 22:26:36 actually it doesn't make a diff for apt-get usually May 21 22:26:40 ShadowJK: this would pretty much address 'why does my device get so slow after a few days' May 21 22:26:42 Will see it better once the write runs off of the end of device (after that, if I understood the nokia patches correctly, it'll look for largest free stretch of blocks in swap) May 21 22:26:53 'root' opens Nokia-N900# and 'sudo gainroot' opens /home/user May 21 22:26:57 SpeedEvil, yeah except it hasn't reached that stage yet :) May 21 22:27:00 sudo gainroot doesn't set $HOME etc to root May 21 22:27:07 DocScrutinizer, i'm asking this because i had problems with space on disk.. i didn't know why May 21 22:27:19 Once the red dots start becoming as spread out as the blue, it's at that "device slow" stage May 21 22:27:28 ShadowJK: is this a 'real' device - instrumented in a way that you can continue loggting over a while? May 21 22:27:34 yes May 21 22:27:35 DocScrutinizer, so i can use 'root' with apt-get, right? May 21 22:27:50 It's running on my main N900 May 21 22:27:55 usually yes, except for a very few screwed pkgs May 21 22:28:25 ok May 21 22:28:31 ShadowJK: I assume there is no easy way to get read latency? May 21 22:28:34 DocScrutinizer, ty again May 21 22:28:44 using "root", and then "run-standallone.sh apt-get ..." is absolutely sure May 21 22:28:58 SpeedEvil, nope May 21 22:29:04 * SpeedEvil ponders. May 21 22:29:09 SpeedEvil, need blktrace for that May 21 22:29:24 (afaik) May 21 22:29:42 but blktrace needs tools and kernels and shit I didn't have the time or energy to research May 21 22:30:04 Sorry - remind me of the proc to trigger block logging? May 21 22:30:27 echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump May 21 22:30:31 licensed: using "sudo gainroot" you eventually will end with fles in /home/user that are owned by root and not deletable by normal user - you don't exactly want that May 21 22:31:28 DocScrutinizer, yes, sure.. thank you May 21 22:31:36 ShadowJK: thanks May 21 22:31:54 licensed: using "root" without "run-standalone.sh " for apt-get... will eventually result in an install failing as the dbus isn't available to open notifiers etc May 21 22:31:55 The intended purpose of block_dump is to find the culprits keeping harddrives from spinning down May 21 22:32:42 licensed: e.g my pkg starhash-enabler is of that nasty class May 21 22:33:10 it works great in package manager, but not for apt-get in "root" shell May 21 22:33:21 huum May 21 22:33:51 DocScrutinizer, hm, so it doesn't work in fapman then? May 21 22:33:56 there are few of those, one of them is related to powerkernel afaik. Really few May 21 22:34:06 ShadowJK: EXACTLY ;-P May 21 22:34:15 hehe May 21 22:37:47 anyway using "run-standalone.sh apt-get install didledumdidledoo" is always safe afaik May 21 22:38:22 except of course you generally shouldn't use apt-get undiscriminately May 21 22:38:30 better use HAM May 21 22:38:58 I use HAM for everything really. If it's something that isn't visible in HAM, I might use apt-get manually and pay close attention to what it's going to do. May 21 22:39:11 yep May 21 22:41:45 * MohammadAG wonders, Qt Multimedia or Phonon... May 21 22:44:03 javispedro: \o/ May 21 22:44:16 hmmmmm May 21 22:44:19 hi there. May 21 22:44:36 MohammadAG: I feel like throwing up for both, to be honest May 21 22:45:04 I thought you liked KDE... May 21 22:45:07 hey javispedro May 21 22:45:26 phonon however seems to be even worse, but alas it also seems the future (and pukeaudio's grandson) May 21 22:45:49 ah, yet another ultra-hyper-mega-turbo-n900-optimizer thread on TMO May 21 22:45:58 * javispedro sighs May 21 22:46:03 I've tried Qt Mobility's multimedia API, I keep getting 403 for youtube vids May 21 22:46:06 YEEEEAAAAaaaaaannnNNNNOOOOOOO May 21 22:46:18 apparently, I need to pass some cookies May 21 22:46:28 DocScrutinizer: btw, Phonon is morelike a result of "not-invented-here" syndrome more than a pukeaudio descendant May 21 22:46:46 whatever it is, it's horse shit May 21 22:47:09 MohammadAG: I liked KDE1 to 3. I *HATE* kde4 May 21 22:47:29 * GAN900 is surrounds by earthy hippies at the gate for SF. May 21 22:47:35 They smell like puke. May 21 22:47:43 hehehe May 21 22:47:46 and this one miracle n900 optimizer is just that months old repackaged cgroup tty thing! May 21 22:48:04 we use so many of those on our n900... clearly another "miracle". May 21 22:48:08 * javispedro sighs May 21 22:48:08 wtf what???? May 21 22:48:37 cgroup tty???? .oO(???) May 21 22:48:38 GAN900: I hope you have your n900 fast-typing fingers ready ;) May 21 22:49:39 when's the next MeeGoConf? May 21 22:49:51 is it a a IBM, is it a teletype? is it even a robot? No it's GAAAAN900 typing :-) May 21 22:49:53 I feel like doing a head-to-head with typing speeds on the N900 with GAN900 :P May 21 22:50:04 * javispedro would give the link to DocScrutinizer if LKML was working, but for some reason it's returning an empty page May 21 22:50:08 javispedro, probably gonna do the liveblog from the laptop. May 21 22:50:21 MohammadAG, November-ish May 21 22:50:29 GAN900, you're on! May 21 22:50:45 MohammadAG, you'll probably beat me out. My thumbs have gotten slower. May 21 22:50:51 * MohammadAG also suggests a #meegoconf channel, if one doesn't exist May 21 22:51:41 indeed May 21 22:52:07 or #meego-conf May 21 22:52:15 depends which rules them guys follow May 21 22:52:44 First works May 21 22:52:55 Since it'll be the same for twitter, flickr, etc. May 21 22:54:41 Goddamnit, I haven't had to listen to CNNs blather for months. Why they gots to have it on at the airport. . . . May 21 22:54:55 cause it's the apocalypse! May 21 22:55:01 If only May 21 22:55:31 no, not before the N950!!!1ONE May 21 22:56:42 Jesus needs all the penises he can get. May 21 22:56:46 Ooops - mischan. May 21 22:56:56 indeed :P May 21 22:56:58 SpeedEvil: I think you're on the right channel though. May 21 22:58:30 dammit, should have gone to conf May 21 22:58:38 #EndofTheWorldConfessions ....the world ain't ending son, my yogurt expires in 2013 ... #ThugLife <-- has to be the funniest shit I've heard today xD May 21 22:58:40 the worst part is hearing every one here telling me "omg but sf is so cool, you're a moron" May 21 22:59:17 In principle I could have gone - but I'd then have no heating this winter. :) May 21 22:59:20 javispedro, you'll feel worse when they give out free N950s to everyone :p May 21 22:59:49 It's not free if you have to spend 5* the price on the trip. May 21 23:01:32 javispedro, well, you probably saved yourself a cavity search May 21 23:01:42 javispedro, why didn't you, though? May 21 23:02:59 GAN900: I expected I would be immersed in paper work this week May 21 23:03:06 Ah May 21 23:03:19 Well, you probably wouldn't have been sponsored anyway. May 21 23:03:21 and well, technically I am, only way less I imagined... May 21 23:03:32 Hehe May 21 23:04:23 I just want to get on a plane so I can sleep. May 21 23:04:52 still not on a plane? cavity searching takes _that_ long? ;) May 21 23:05:01 stuck in Dallas May 21 23:05:13 Connecting flight delayed by a while. May 21 23:05:55 Ah, so that's what's going on in Spain. May 21 23:06:14 aw, that. May 21 23:06:28 * GAN900 wishes them luck. May 21 23:06:31 DocScrutinizer: Oh - and you were right - my bupbat is dead May 21 23:06:36 Oh, Meego-conf is in SF. May 21 23:06:41 I live 45 minutes from there now. May 21 23:06:54 sure, what else May 21 23:07:15 I'm too as I'm short on papers for cigs and it's late May 21 23:07:30 * GAN900 wonders if there's still registration room. May 21 23:08:27 the registration form seems open enough May 21 23:08:52 DocScrutinizer: well. i can't get it to install May 21 23:08:59 maybe if i use the ubuntu scratchbox install instead? May 21 23:09:03 maybe i will try that out next May 21 23:09:04 derf, should register. May 21 23:09:26 does cssu use the "power kernel" by default? May 21 23:10:06 i sure wish it were possible to set up an entire dev env on the phone itself May 21 23:10:08 that would be nice May 21 23:11:00 Didn't lcuk do that? May 21 23:11:05 i think he tried May 21 23:11:17 i am not sure if he was able to get it going in an "easy" manner May 21 23:13:09 no May 21 23:13:10 hm May 21 23:13:15 i can't seem to remove the power-kernel May 21 23:13:25 and i can't update it because it says it breaks 3rd party rules or something May 21 23:15:22 * MohammadAG has an on device SDK May 21 23:15:34 quite useless tbh May 21 23:15:46 most time is spent waiting for IO rather than compiling May 21 23:16:52 well. i'm sure it would be good for quick compiles May 21 23:17:06 but i was never able to get it to work. i think i might actually reflash and update to cssu again. my phone is a little flakey May 21 23:17:59 what really sucks is that i installed nitdroid a while back and yeah.. it is a bitch to remove May 21 23:19:35 I vaguely remember someone saying that to uninstall powerkernel you install the normal kernel May 21 23:19:41 * ShadowJK 'd backup everything first anyway May 21 23:20:14 heh May 21 23:20:22 ah well. May 21 23:20:27 i am installing nitdroid again just to remove it May 21 23:20:29 what a pain May 21 23:20:34 which means i need to reformat my sd May 21 23:20:49 nitdroid is using that totally fucked up batshit crazy dualboot method isn't it May 21 23:20:54 yes May 21 23:20:58 ah May 21 23:21:04 what makes it so bad is that you HAVE to have /and mounted to remove it May 21 23:21:21 which kind of sucks.. i think i am going to reflash and get everything going again May 21 23:21:39 the keyboard was the biggest pain May 21 23:21:42 Suddenly MeeGo's recommended "microsd-only" install starts to make sense. May 21 23:23:55 heh May 21 23:24:05 well.. meego is like 20 years off from working on an n900 May 21 23:24:11 nitdroid is actually pretty good for what it is May 21 23:24:25 i mean i'm sure they had to use some pretty bad hackery to get it all going but still May 21 23:25:23 but of course they have the same issues as meego May 21 23:25:32 hardware not working properly due to lack of support May 21 23:25:37 or unreleased blobs.. etc May 21 23:26:43 damn. i really don't want to reflash after i've gotten everything working so nicely :) but i suppose that is life May 21 23:27:56 and i really have no need for nitdroid since i have a g2 on standby May 21 23:28:52 hm. nitdroid is stuck on stupid with the whole formatting the sd May 21 23:28:58 ugh.. it seems quicker to reflash May 21 23:30:12 think i need to. i think i corrupted my phone pretty badly trying to get the things working that i need to get working May 21 23:32:46 Macer: get a proper backup by maemo backup app, the reflash and restore May 21 23:33:15 nitdridiot batshit won't get restored, it's so sick it never even could May 21 23:33:54 DocScrutinizer: where is the actual nokia app to update ? May 21 23:33:56 the windows one? May 21 23:34:18 err no f'ing clue - what's windows? ;-P May 21 23:34:28 ~flash May 21 23:34:29 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 21 23:35:33 haha May 21 23:36:39 ugh May 21 23:36:43 yeah i need to start from scratch May 21 23:37:03 see /topic May 21 23:38:05 I'd not write it that way if there were any veritable alternative to insinstall and get rid of multiboot May 21 23:38:21 uninstall* May 21 23:51:01 javispedro: wondering why nitridiot still uses multiboot? Simply because nobody is pestering THEM when uninstalling their shit nukes the system May 21 23:52:15 and because X-Fade didn't answer on my suggestion to remove multiboot from extras, due to it being *really* dangerous for both sw and hw May 21 23:52:43 dunno, maybe they're having problems with uboot. May 21 23:53:07 what friggin problems could they have? meego is doing fine with uboot May 21 23:53:28 they have problems with boot at large May 21 23:53:28 this is android you're talking about May 21 23:53:58 so I could believe "unforeseen" boot problems due to some crap. May 21 23:55:44 it's just their "corporate identity" to not care about anything else. Android devices run android, nuttin else. So obviously the kernel has to be on a partition and get loaded from there. And there's definitely no time after Android, i.e. "uninstall? WTf is that?" May 21 23:57:46 and sure, if they'd need some crap (on boot cmdline or whatever) for kernel that uBoot doesn't fulfill exactly, then of course they're screwed. As fixing the kernel for THAT is way beyond them May 21 23:58:54 I wonder however, how they can boot with NOLO but not with uBoot, while both maemo and meego work fine with both May 22 00:00:54 is tmo down DocScrutinizer ? May 22 00:01:03 dunno May 22 00:01:30 nah, works fine here May 22 00:02:03 refresh took like 2s May 22 00:03:43 well, we got #meegoconf for GAN900's live twittering from there :-) May 22 00:09:24 Woo, boarded May 22 00:09:30 See you in SF May 22 00:14:07 damnit May 22 00:14:20 thought my g2 got bricked May 22 00:14:24 almost ha da panic attack May 22 00:14:29 since i'm about to totally wipe this n900 :) May 22 00:15:02 OK May 22 00:15:04 back to this thing May 22 00:21:58 safe trip GAN900 May 22 00:22:22 omg May 22 00:22:39 seriously. wasn't there some windows program you could just run to flash the n900 that just required 1 click? May 22 00:24:54 would you to recomend me some apps? it's my second day on maemo May 22 00:28:54 NSU maybe. But it's kinda buggy May 22 00:29:44 alrighty May 22 00:29:51 just finished flashing it May 22 00:30:25 let me see if i can get this thing workign like it was just not as buggy :) then install backupmenu heh May 22 00:41:32 is GAN900 using a bouncer? May 22 00:42:03 irssi May 22 00:42:06 aah May 22 00:42:33 That was kinda amusing, I did CTCP VERSION on him, and got two replies from copies of myself May 22 00:43:27 uh? May 22 00:44:01 * DocScrutinizer doesn't get it May 22 00:49:42 heh\ May 22 00:50:00 well. i'm installing cssu now May 22 00:50:13 once the mail for exchange and bt keyboard are set up it is all downhill from there :) May 22 00:50:30 at least i got rid of that power kernel and nitdroid nonsense May 22 00:51:40 DocScrutinizer, I have irssi on server, xchat on desktop, N810 and N900. All tied to this nick. I did VERSION from PC, the N810 and N900 misinterpreted the outgoing VERSION for a request and sent back a reply :-) May 22 00:51:46 here's a question.. how do i create my own image to flash? May 22 00:52:01 like to back the entire phone u to my fileserver or something? May 22 00:52:10 where i can just run flasher to get it back to where it was? May 22 00:56:52 ShadowJK: haha May 22 00:57:43 ShadowJK: how do you tie 3 clients to a nick, without bouncer? May 22 00:57:58 irssi also functions as a bouncer May 22 00:58:03 ooh May 22 00:58:05 through a module called irssi-proxy May 22 00:58:13 :nod: May 22 00:58:31 or screen May 22 00:59:27 screen is different May 22 01:00:30 haha, /msg xyz test , sent in an arbitrary window, shows up in open xyz query window as a normal post May 22 01:01:45 it would May 22 01:02:13 a query window is essentially just a filter to separate "/msg xyz" from "/msg #xyz" :-) May 22 01:06:28 mhm May 22 01:24:12 Installing pkg 16/137 May 22 01:24:14 awesome :) May 22 01:24:26 well. guess i will come back to the n900 tomorrow heh May 22 01:40:35 Hey is the pin sequence something that _always_ gets remembered even if you reflash both main memory and emmc? May 22 01:40:55 "pin sequence"? The sim card pin code is stored in the sim card May 22 01:41:12 no - it's the pin I set on the N900, an 8 digit one May 22 01:41:28 Yeah it's remembered May 22 01:41:36 is it putting it on the sim then? May 22 01:42:00 no May 22 01:42:28 ah ok good - wouldn't be much security if it was on the sim card lol May 22 01:42:50 can theives wipe it then with the flashing tool? May 22 01:44:16 Not with the flashing tool, no May 22 01:44:39 I'd better not forget the pass then lol May 22 01:46:49 It's scrambled and stored outside of the OS area on the flash May 22 01:47:02 It would take a day or two for me to crack it :-) May 22 01:47:07 So yeah, better not forget it May 22 01:57:57 hi, my usb device broke on fri so i ordered battery charger and battery overnight from amazon. I am in the proccess of getting the unit fixed by amex warranty but until then I want to my phone like normal. I am connecting the phone to my pc via bluetooth I was able to backup the contacts just fine but my videos and photos are all stored on sd card. How can I access sd card via bluetooth? May 22 01:58:38 Computer\N900 (PC-Suite Mode)\ May 22 02:00:37 umm... May 22 02:00:43 Take the SD card out? May 22 02:00:52 i dont have a reader May 22 02:01:14 i can buy one tomorrow but my question is; can i access sd card from bluetooth? May 22 02:01:20 Ah. May 22 02:01:21 Dunno May 22 02:02:01 now that i think about it couldn't i just share it and connect via wifi? May 22 02:02:21 yeah that's doable for sure.. thanks May 22 02:03:37 bluetooth sucks as a standard in all respects except maybe the headsets May 22 02:04:42 btw i've been reading the forums and looks like im not the only one with usb problem. Does nokia still fix this if just out of warranty period? May 22 02:12:17 Does anyone know about the partitioning script that is shown with... head -n 17 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin May 22 02:13:29 For ages now I've been tweaking 2048 to 8192 so that /home would be 8GB instead of 2GB (and thus MyDocs is 6GB smaller automatically) using the "sed" utility. This works just fine and is damn lot easier than repartitioning your n900 (if your prepared to totally wipe) May 22 02:13:51 just wondering what script that is (i.e. what utility does it, or is it special maemo flasher script language?) May 22 02:13:59 wanna get it making MyDocs as ext3 instead of vfat May 22 02:14:17 Is it vfat? May 22 02:14:47 the script is this... http://pastebin.com/SBhnt2nS May 22 02:14:57 it's at the start of the large vanilla emmc file you can download May 22 02:15:09 dimon_maemo, is what vfat? mydocs? yeah by default it is yes May 22 02:15:40 i didn't even know.. that'sa weird decision to make it vfat May 22 02:16:11 umm why is it? FAT can be read by windows and mac - it'd be impossible to put your music/videos/etc on the phone over usb if it wasnt' FAT May 22 02:16:36 ah right i didnt think of that May 22 02:17:13 SpeedEvil, ShadowJK, you know anything about this script? May 22 02:18:15 not really May 22 02:20:16 wow, i just installed tinysmb and it's perfect! :) May 22 02:20:26 took me 30 seconds May 22 02:20:34 download/install/share lovie t May 22 02:46:37 Lantizia: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools May 22 02:47:51 Lantizia: seems it's executed by something involved into flashing, no idea how flashing eMMC actually works. May be a executable "binary" actually May 22 02:49:51 yeah found a few people have used this technique for changing the size of home May 22 02:50:04 but haven't been sucessful in getting it to make mydocs as an ext3 yet May 22 02:50:31 just get "SU_GET_UPDATE_STATUS_REQ terminated with error code 1." **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 22 02:59:58 2011