**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 28 02:59:57 2011
May 28 03:26:29 <ShadowJK> excellent, my N900 battery survived 17 hour workday without charging
May 28 03:27:52 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, IRC been relatively quiet?
May 28 03:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> on WLAN mine survives way more than a 17h day. On 2G it depends. On 3G only if I switch off xchat
May 28 03:30:23 <ShadowJK> I was only connected to xchat for about 6 hours of that
May 28 03:30:46 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 28 03:31:07 <ShadowJK> If I may brag, bq27200 does exactly what I wanted when I wrote it, allows me to plan for times when I'll be on a constrained power budget :P
May 28 03:31:18 <ShadowJK> for=during
May 28 03:31:50 <ShadowJK> Downloaded about 150M of podcasts, listened to those, and 4 hours of other podcasts I already had.. plus an hour of streaming radio :P
May 28 03:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> that's the main purpose, yes
May 28 03:32:09 <ShadowJK> Some sporadic web browsing
May 28 03:32:25 <DocScrutinizer> well, online is online
May 28 03:33:00 <ShadowJK> yeah online all the time, monitoring other stuff through ssh. Actually fixed something through ssh that broke during the night, too :P
May 28 03:33:09 * ShadowJK <3 N900
May 28 03:46:51 <ds3> !@#$!@#$!@$!@#$!@#!@# google blows
May 28 03:47:16 <ds3> if I am searching for devel, I do not want it to match development... damn twits
May 28 05:25:03 <drj_cro> leave
May 28 05:37:49 * dangergrrl thinks drj_cro was missing a / but found it
May 28 05:38:47 <dangergrrl> devel* should match development but devel should not
May 28 05:39:10 <dangergrrl> google is getting too helpful with itś search request enhancement perhaps
May 28 09:28:24 <pupnikafk> hey guys
May 28 09:31:01 <lardman> morning all
May 28 09:32:15 <pupnik> o/
May 28 10:19:05 <xbris1> mornnin
May 28 10:19:44 <xbris1> anyone familiar with the n770?
May 28 12:09:33 <DocScrutinizer> devel -development
May 28 12:09:38 <arvut> oh, I'm alrdy here :)
May 28 12:09:55 <arvut> no sense /j'ing again then :P
May 28 12:10:52 <pupnikafk> don't be scared
May 28 12:10:54 <pupnikafk> use your life for something good
May 28 12:10:57 <pupnikafk> don't listen to the sheeple
May 28 12:11:19 <arvut> I just have to say this, this mugen power battery is amazing for the n900, suddenly I have power again, kinda reminds me of my old creative zen touch which was mainly a hdd and battery :P
May 28 12:12:15 <arvut> actually, it still is, I keep it alive for some odd reason with usb cable at all time when the desktop pc is on :)
May 28 12:12:41 <macmaN> doesnt it make the n900 colossal?
May 28 12:16:03 <MohammadAG> is 1.5s good startup time for an app?
May 28 12:16:40 <robbiethe1st> Yea,
May 28 12:17:49 <Itschuee>  ~flatbatrecover
May 28 12:17:50 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover
May 28 12:24:49 <Arkenoi> mugen power battery would be great if not a) ugly back cover b) inadequate pricing. I can tolerate b) but not a).
May 28 12:25:17 <Arkenoi> i had 3.6Ah mugen power for e90 and it was great
May 28 12:25:49 <psycho_oreos> their back cover have slightly improved but dare I say its still ugly
May 28 12:26:21 <ShadowJK> I thought there were only two versions of the cover
May 28 12:26:26 <Arkenoi> I wish it had decent back stand like n800 has -- then i'd buy it immediately
May 28 12:26:35 <Arkenoi> ShadowJK, neither looks good
May 28 12:27:09 <ShadowJK> and the second came like a week after the first
May 28 12:27:44 <psycho_oreos> there are two versions of the cover. The first makes N900 look like a old fat remote. The second one has on/off switch which I presume is for camera
May 28 12:30:20 <psycho_oreos> neither of which has a backstand or lens cover so I'm not interested in either. Though without a doubt if it had those plus has something like a hardened case which otterbox for N900 is I'd buy it without giving a second thought. It'll be an ideal dust protector with kickstand plus huge battery
May 28 12:32:52 <ShadowJK> Amusingly I have just as much (if not more) dust on lens with nokia cover after 6 moths as with mugen cover after 6 moths
May 28 12:32:56 <psycho_oreos> supposedly there's a tmo thread on massive battery test (mugen isn't on the list due to their price), and they found scud 1410mAh (or something like) was the best amongst the lot. If you combined both of those batteries together like the thread owner did you get a whopping 3000mAh
May 28 12:34:03 <maybeArgh> how does that work, do you ductape them together?
May 28 12:34:28 <psycho_oreos> where I work, a dust cover is not optional, its mandatory or my N900 will get dusty within a few days
May 28 12:34:38 <ShadowJK> he opened them and soldered them together
May 28 12:34:39 <psycho_oreos> yeah that plus some soldering, hacking, etc
May 28 12:34:53 <psycho_oreos> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=65568
May 28 12:35:18 <ShadowJK> only + and -, connecting bsi together confuses bme even more than it already is
May 28 12:35:53 <Arkenoi> my n900 is more than one year old and there is no dust at all (original noka cover)
May 28 12:36:16 * Arkenoi wishes we had cheap and precise 3d printers which are also capable of making metal parts :-)
May 28 12:36:49 <ShadowJK> I have quite significant amounts of dust and I wiped it off last week :)
May 28 12:37:05 <ShadowJK> Guess I work in a high dust environment too :)
May 28 12:37:36 <psycho_oreos> I'm lucky to have access to high pressure air blower at work. So every so often I give N900 a blow out
May 28 12:38:11 <psycho_oreos> damnit.. who was the one that asked about power47 kernel?
May 28 12:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> maybeArgh: basically yes
May 28 12:40:08 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: those are called CNC mills
May 28 12:40:33 <SpeedEvil> Also - shapeways.com are fun.
May 28 12:40:42 <psycho_oreos> merlin1991, ping
May 28 12:42:40 <MohammadAG> anyone actually bought that "scud" battery?
May 28 12:43:55 <Arkenoi> MohammadAG, me
May 28 12:49:45 <arvut> meh.. fennec just froze, good thing I ran it in xterm
May 28 12:50:31 <arvut> I bet those tech republic sites has too many javascripts running. gotta install noscript now
May 28 12:51:53 <psycho_oreos> you updated that fennec? (not like its going to prevent the freeze but then again)
May 28 12:58:56 <DocScrutinizer> stupid NOLO maybe should try to boot from the (unused) initrd partition when "u" got pressed and battery voltage too low. WTF make NOLO think it can expect a working & charging system on rootfs when user tries to flash?!
May 28 13:00:28 <DocScrutinizer> ok, NOLO does not think or expect - so this job is a poorly done job for Nokia NOLO developer(s)
May 28 13:01:29 <picolsq> hi
May 28 13:03:29 <Daryl02> is the wiki about SmartQ devices still updated ?
May 28 13:03:44 <Daryl02> especially this page:
May 28 13:03:45 <Daryl02> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Status/SmartQ
May 28 13:03:56 <DocScrutinizer> there is one possible fix by community;
May 28 13:04:10 <DocScrutinizer> for the flah&lowbat-deadlock
May 28 13:04:14 <Daryl02> I own a SmartQ5, and I just analyzed the irom
May 28 13:04:25 <Daryl02> There is no boot from the external SD
May 28 13:05:12 <Daryl02> the boot from external SD can be done in Qi or uBoot, but not iROM
May 28 13:05:50 <DocScrutinizer> we could create a charging-bootloader that gets loaded to ram via 'coldflash' scheme
May 28 13:06:29 <DocScrutinizer> no NOLO ever gets touched -> batey can charge up to 4.1V even on a messed up system
May 28 13:06:39 <pupnikafk> hey DocScrutinizer
May 28 13:06:51 <DocScrutinizer> hay pupnikafk - how's life?
May 28 13:07:13 <pupnika> well, every day is one day less
May 28 13:07:58 <pupnika> i have everything i wanted, except for life extension
May 28 13:08:12 <Daryl02> You only can boot on SD channel 2 by connecting GPN13,14 and 15 to high level
May 28 13:08:59 <pupnika> and every meego conference visitor accepted TSA scaning their penis to see if they were circumcised
May 28 13:09:00 <Daryl02> as explained in the S3C6410X Application note document
May 28 13:09:33 <pupnika> there is no excuse for that
May 28 13:09:35 <DocScrutinizer> pupnika: it's sad but a fact - the world is hard to change
May 28 13:09:46 <pupnika> oh my freinds change it
May 28 13:10:13 <pupnika> DocScrutinizer: one out of 50,000 nsa letters recipients complained
May 28 13:10:21 <pupnika> and 80 percent of them won in court
May 28 13:10:30 <DocScrutinizer> best chances are when we are friendly and helpful to people, so they love to learn :-D
May 28 13:10:33 <pupnika> only cowardice is hopeless
May 28 13:10:46 <pupnika> we can not accept this
May 28 13:11:20 <pupnika> check out sibel edmonds
May 28 13:11:37 <pupnika> a turkish lady who denied the silence of the usa
May 28 13:11:41 <pupnika> she is free
May 28 13:12:17 <pupnika> even the people who administer the spy system... they hate it
May 28 13:12:25 <pupnika> we just need to support them
May 28 13:12:47 <pupnika> courage, DocScrutinizer
May 28 13:13:06 <pupnika> truth has it's own force
May 28 13:14:10 <pupnika> it is impressive how few stand-up for their rights
May 28 13:14:24 <pupnika> for example 250,000 national security letters were issued
May 28 13:14:30 <DocScrutinizer> pupnika: I agree and sympathise with your notion, but I'm honestly afraid this is the wrong forum for this, as you can't reach people about it here. Most will ignore off topic things or simply leave the channel, when it starts to make them feel uncomfortable
May 28 13:14:51 <pupnika> 5 people fought it
May 28 13:14:59 <pupnika> out of 250,000
May 28 13:15:10 <pupnika> and those 5 people changed the law
May 28 13:15:15 <pupnika> courage
May 28 13:15:36 <pupnika> this is what linux is about
May 28 13:15:36 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, it's always a few brave ones that get things moving/changing
May 28 13:16:07 <DocScrutinizer> aaah now I get your catch how this is liked to FOSS
May 28 13:16:08 <pupnika> they are ... cowards
May 28 13:16:14 <pupnika> yep
May 28 13:16:19 <DocScrutinizer> I guess not many "users" think like that
May 28 13:16:35 <pupnika> they can be educated
May 28 13:17:00 <pupnika> i grew up in the arpanet culture
May 28 13:17:10 <pupnika> we created the internet with the ideals of freedom
May 28 13:17:14 <pupnika> we created the internet
May 28 13:17:28 <pupnika> people like me
May 28 13:17:41 <pupnika> i am here to teach the children
May 28 13:19:10 <alterego> I've figured it out, abill_uk is the png guy
May 28 13:19:47 <pupnika> alterego: you are also someone who is close to being on the right side of freedom
May 28 13:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> pupnika: respectable intent - but you know children, you need to reach them, they don't react good on shouting and patronizing
May 28 13:20:38 <pupnika> DocScrutinizer: i disagree
May 28 13:21:01 <pupnika> a white hot sword of dissent makes people realize that something is wrong
May 28 13:21:09 <DocScrutinizer> pupnika: how about creating your own blog and writing things up there in an entertaining fun-to-read non-accusing way?
May 28 13:21:34 <pupnika> i am a contributor to maemo and this is my community
May 28 13:21:40 <pupnika> and i was here before you were
May 28 13:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> pupnika: no doubt
May 28 13:22:23 <DocScrutinizer> I just suggest rethinking your concept from a pedagogic PoV
May 28 13:22:53 <pupnika> other people can use that strategy, it's not my style
May 28 13:23:21 <pupnika> i think it's necessary that some people are outraged
May 28 13:23:40 <pupnika> the US government scanning children and storing their naked bodies
May 28 13:23:43 <pupnika> lol
May 28 13:23:53 <pupnika> did you imagine this?
May 28 13:24:03 <DocScrutinizer> pupnika: you can change the world maybe, but definitely you have to start and pick up people where they are. If your pedagogic approach is prone to fail, no insisting in a higher insight will change anything
May 28 13:24:26 <pupnika> ahhh they can only shoot me once
May 28 13:24:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's not your goal though I guess
May 28 13:26:01 <DocScrutinizer> to be very clear on this: shouting "learn! idiots!" won't help *anybody*
May 28 13:26:26 <DocScrutinizer> it's a perfect plan to make everybody ignore you
May 28 13:26:30 <pupnika> #maemo was the pioneer of portable-device freedom
May 28 13:26:40 <pupnika> oh let them
May 28 13:27:09 <pupnika> if we don't understand what we are doing we are lost
May 28 13:27:31 <DocScrutinizer> I completely agree on this bit
May 28 13:27:33 <pupnika> it's freedom from tyranny, from government coercion
May 28 13:28:38 <pupnika> so grin and bear it :)
May 28 13:28:58 <pupnika> grin with your skull
May 28 13:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> but honestly, though I understand your intentions and see they're good, this chan can't tolerate anybody going to insult and rise channel temperature for obviously no achievable aim
May 28 13:29:28 <pupnika> who else is raising channel temp?
May 28 13:29:36 <pupnika> nobody!
May 28 13:30:11 <pupnika> nobody even bothers to disagree!
May 28 13:30:43 <pupnika> that is our situation in 2011!
May 28 13:30:50 <pupnika> i'm just documenting the dissent
May 28 13:31:04 <pupnika> one lonely man
May 28 13:35:03 <RST38bis> pupnik: relax and welcome our anally probing overlords.
May 28 13:38:47 <RST38bis> pupnik: and, obviously, this is almost required reading: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Invasion_from_Mars
May 28 13:46:56 <DocScrutinizer> on explicit private request - though I really don't like it. But everybody can get what he's asking for as long as it's in line with chan rules
May 28 13:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 28 13:50:42 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys tried mscim from extras-devel?
May 28 13:53:25 <RST38bis> Poor pupnik is weeping for the world again? =)
May 28 13:53:56 <psycho_oreos> tough reality he must be facing :)
May 28 13:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> he insists on he's planning a troll carreer and doesn't fit into #maemo, and asked me to ban him
May 28 13:54:19 <dm8tbr> he just moved to #meego
May 28 13:54:33 <DocScrutinizer> I'm no chanop on #meego
May 28 13:54:51 <psycho_oreos> he still has his other handle in here :)
May 28 13:55:01 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 28 13:55:11 <psycho_oreos> pupnika_
May 28 13:55:27 <psycho_oreos> using that to stir up some other poor user in #meego
May 28 13:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik* is banned
May 28 13:56:56 <psycho_oreos> more like pupni* :) still he has his other handle here, sure he won't be able to join with other clients but he knows that the nickname is banned from the other client :)
May 28 13:57:42 <DocScrutinizer> [Bannliste: #maemo] pupni*!*@* eingetragen von DocScrutinizer am 2011-05-28 15:49
May 28 13:57:56 <dm8tbr> lovely, freenode staff refuses to help and meego ops are nowhere to be seen
May 28 13:58:08 <psycho_oreos> i.e. he had two irc connections and has two instances of himself on this channel, you banned his nick but you kicked one of him. There's still another instance of him
May 28 13:58:29 <DocScrutinizer> so for now all users matching this are quieted, and rejoin won't work
May 28 13:59:16 * psycho_oreos thinks he'll probably come back using some other handle now that he knows his nick is banned
May 28 13:59:20 <dm8tbr> psycho_oreos: +b works like +q on users that are joined
May 28 13:59:31 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not happy with this anyway, whould have preferred he changed his habits a bit
May 28 13:59:44 <psycho_oreos> dm8tbr, yeah but what I meant was that he knows he can still run away with another nick
May 28 14:00:06 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: sure he can do this. Anyway he asked me to ban him, that's what I did
May 28 14:01:28 <DocScrutinizer> and I'm more than happy to remove that ban when he queries me and tells he changed his concept to save the world
May 28 14:01:52 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, *shrugs* ok
May 28 14:02:28 <Gyjf> why remove the ban when you can keep it?
May 28 14:03:02 <psycho_oreos> he has a different ban set on the nick
May 28 14:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik isn't a bad guy really - just kinda getting more weird every day
May 28 14:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> I asked him how to deal with this fact, and he asked me to ban him as he doesn't fit into #maemo
May 28 14:06:48 <psycho_oreos> lol he was somewhat honest despite his persistence
May 28 14:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 28 14:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: o/
May 28 14:07:46 <javispedro> hello
May 28 14:07:56 <DocScrutinizer> we lost pupnik
May 28 14:08:47 <javispedro> oh :P
May 28 14:10:08 <MohammadAG> sigh, now he's trolling #liqbase
May 28 14:10:37 <javispedro> <non PC mode>I ponder if his periodic conspirationist/new world order stories are due to some kind of , dunno, low sugar in blood or something..
May 28 14:11:00 <javispedro> </>
May 28 14:11:20 <DocScrutinizer> he got a medical problem, afaik a final one :,(
May 28 14:11:21 <MohammadAG> or high percentage of alcohol
May 28 14:12:40 <psycho_oreos> you meant terminal medical problem
May 28 14:12:58 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-28 15:06:19] <DocScrutinizer> hay pupnikafk - how's life?
May 28 14:13:00 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-28 15:06:41] <pupnika> well, every day is one day less
May 28 14:13:02 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-05-28 15:07:26] <pupnika> i have everything i wanted, except for life extension
May 28 14:13:21 <psycho_oreos> life extension?
May 28 14:13:28 <psycho_oreos> terminal illness of some sort it seems
May 28 14:14:32 <MohammadAG> :/
May 28 14:14:41 <psycho_oreos> either way he'll probably be better to troll in ##philosophy or something like that :) where one can speak imaginative things
May 28 14:15:06 <DocScrutinizer> maybe he already does ;-)
May 28 14:15:43 <psycho_oreos> probably got silenced/banned :D
May 28 14:16:15 <DocScrutinizer> he always can troll RL out there in FRA
May 28 14:16:34 <psycho_oreos> FRA?
May 28 14:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> seems he tld me he already does ;)
May 28 14:16:47 <MoonTiger> hi guys :)
May 28 14:16:57 <DocScrutinizer> FFM
May 28 14:17:07 <psycho_oreos> his skill has probably sharpened over the due course ;)
May 28 14:17:16 <psycho_oreos> s/skill/trolling skill/
May 28 14:17:17 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: his trolling skill has probably sharpened over the due course ;)
May 28 14:17:19 <DocScrutinizer> hi MoonTiger
May 28 14:17:19 <MoonTiger> ummmm im having some noob problems and wonder if i can ask for some help without being laughed at :)
May 28 14:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> shoot
May 28 14:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> we're all noobs more or less
May 28 14:17:39 <psycho_oreos> we're not mind readers so we can't laugh at nothing ;)
May 28 14:17:42 <MoonTiger> so... im trying to write a sharing plugin for my website
May 28 14:18:00 <MoonTiger> and im trying to include the libs for making an md5 hash
May 28 14:18:08 <MoonTiger> gcrypt.h i figured
May 28 14:18:19 <MoonTiger> but i cannot get it added to the makefile
May 28 14:18:22 <MoonTiger> *sigh*
May 28 14:18:24 <DocScrutinizer> heh, you said "noob problem" ;-P
May 28 14:18:41 <javispedro> MoonTiger: Are you using glib?
May 28 14:18:44 <MoonTiger> heh well for a progeammer it is
May 28 14:18:46 <psycho_oreos> indeed, if that was deemed a noob problem, I would have been a nobody :D
May 28 14:18:47 <MoonTiger> yes
May 28 14:19:01 <javispedro> MoonTiger: glib has some md5 routines, let me look up
May 28 14:19:21 <MoonTiger> im basically using the sample plugin and hacking it as a learning experience .... but i can't get it to see the gcrypt.h file
May 28 14:19:26 <MoonTiger> ahhhh
May 28 14:19:33 <MoonTiger> javispedro, thnx
May 28 14:19:39 <MoonTiger> i dont know the gtk api very well
May 28 14:20:01 <javispedro> http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.26/glib-Data-Checksums.html
May 28 14:20:26 <MoonTiger> im assuming the digest is the md5
May 28 14:20:47 <javispedro> you can choose between a few ones, including md5
May 28 14:21:01 <MoonTiger> ahhhh i c
May 28 14:21:04 <MoonTiger> thnx so much
May 28 14:21:14 <javispedro> http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.26/glib-Data-Checksums.html#g-compute-checksum-for-data
May 28 14:21:15 <MoonTiger> how do i include other libs into my app?
May 28 14:21:21 <javispedro> see that function specially
May 28 14:21:22 <MoonTiger> i thought <gcrypt.h>
May 28 14:21:29 <javispedro> have no idea what gcrypt is.
May 28 14:21:37 <MoonTiger> ok well any header file
May 28 14:21:46 <MoonTiger> i thought #include <blah.h> would work
May 28 14:22:28 <javispedro> what was the error message? (either way, if you're already using glib, you need not include anything extra for the routines I listed above...)
May 28 14:22:54 <javispedro> I see gcrypt comes with gnupg, probably is not on n900.
May 28 14:22:59 <javispedro> *available
May 28 14:23:27 <MoonTiger> javispedro, i see ... its in the scratchbox stuff tho so i figured it would be ok
May 28 14:24:22 <MoonTiger> but thnx for the heads up ... great help :)
May 28 14:24:28 <javispedro> good luck.
May 28 14:24:36 <MoonTiger> hehe i think im going to need it
May 28 14:24:37 <MoonTiger> :)
May 28 14:26:16 <javispedro> now, why is gentoo crossdev broken again here..
May 28 14:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache search gnupg | wc -l
May 28 14:28:52 <DocScrutinizer> 19
May 28 14:30:10 * DocScrutinizer has to teach moony about leechers and IRC common sense
May 28 14:30:57 <DocScrutinizer> not nice usually to drop by for a short question then leave
May 28 14:31:14 <DocScrutinizer> well
May 28 14:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: ^^^ 19
May 28 14:31:53 <javispedro> dunno if it's on stock n900
May 28 14:32:10 <javispedro> I know it _is_ on sbox as he said though
May 28 14:32:22 <javispedro> for package signing et all
May 28 14:32:51 <javispedro> but locate gcrypt on my n900 said nothing ;)
May 28 14:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> libgcrypt11:
May 28 14:33:18 <DocScrutinizer>   Installed: 1.5.0~svn1440-maemo1
May 28 14:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages
May 28 14:33:38 <javispedro> that is extras.
May 28 14:34:18 <DocScrutinizer> anyway moony left
May 28 14:36:23 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430   ☕
May 28 14:41:55 * javispedro curses
May 28 14:41:56 <javispedro> "sorry, unimplemented: -mfloat-abi=hard and VFP"
May 28 14:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~airport FRA
May 28 14:42:45 <infobot> from memory, airport fra is The code for the airport in: Frankfurt/Main <Germany>
May 28 14:43:41 <MoonTiger> hehe it's so diferent doing more or less straight C after so many years of C++
May 28 14:43:45 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: hardfp? ask in #meego-arm, stskeeps knows about that stuff
May 28 14:43:58 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, he's here again
May 28 14:44:12 <MoonTiger> :)
May 28 14:44:13 <ShadowJK> you'd need to reconpile the entire system, you know...
May 28 14:44:41 <DocScrutinizer> MoonTiger: there's no need to leave the channel as soon as you don't intend to post any further questions ;-)
May 28 14:44:59 * MoonTiger slinks off into the corner
May 28 14:45:29 <DocScrutinizer> MoonTiger: apt-cache policy libgcrypt11
May 28 14:46:10 <MoonTiger> oooooo its not there :|
May 28 14:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> it is on my system
May 28 14:46:29 <MoonTiger> the glib stuff works for me tho as i only need simple md5 hashing
May 28 14:46:45 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache policy libgcrypt11
May 28 14:46:47 <DocScrutinizer> libgcrypt11:
May 28 14:46:48 <MoonTiger> how is it on your system?
May 28 14:46:48 <DocScrutinizer>   Installed: 1.5.0~svn1440-maemo1
May 28 14:47:06 <DocScrutinizer>  *** 1.5.0~svn1440-maemo1 0
May 28 14:47:07 <DocScrutinizer>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages
May 28 14:47:21 <MoonTiger> ahhhh you installed it explicitly
May 28 14:47:38 <DocScrutinizer> no, it came as a dependency on $dunno standard
May 28 14:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> cssu maybe, maybe sth other
May 28 14:47:56 <MoonTiger> weird ... i have open ssh ... would have thought that would pull it in
May 28 14:48:09 <MoonTiger> prolly i dont have the dev stuff to use it in code
May 28 14:48:27 <javispedro> also, glib is stock, so why depend on sth else ;)
May 28 14:48:28 * MoonTiger watches a program about the black death
May 28 14:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> some not-so-nooby apt/dpks wizard could prolly tell you what it RDEPNDS on
May 28 14:48:43 <MoonTiger> javispedro, yes ... glib is working fine ... thnx again
May 28 14:48:43 <MoonTiger> :)
May 28 14:49:02 * MoonTiger is not an apt ninja
May 28 14:49:16 * DocScrutinizer neither
May 28 14:49:30 <MoonTiger> also im getting used to pacman more these days
May 28 14:49:53 <MoonTiger> altho i still occassionally do "sudo apt-get -Syu"
May 28 14:49:57 <MoonTiger> when im on debian
May 28 14:53:47 <DocScrutinizer> lol - I wondered for a moment how muchning pizzas and chasing ghosts comes in here ;-P
May 28 14:55:35 <MoonTiger> oh hey... whats the best way to shutdown the emulated n900? when i just "x" it it won't restart
May 28 14:56:01 <MoonTiger> haha
May 28 14:56:16 <MoonTiger> mmmmmmm pizza
May 28 14:57:30 <javispedro> it's not an emulator
May 28 14:57:50 <javispedro> also, "af-sb-init.sh {stop|start|restart}"
May 28 14:58:00 <DocScrutinizer> indeed - it's.... yeah what is SB?
May 28 14:58:47 <javispedro> a glorified chroot... (you could argue about the armel/qemu-user part, but that one shows no UI at all)
May 28 14:59:42 <DocScrutinizer> let's agree on calling it a daunting beast
May 28 14:59:44 <javispedro> OMH
May 28 14:59:46 <javispedro> OMG
May 28 14:59:55 <MoonTiger> heh thnx :)
May 28 15:00:00 <javispedro> Stskeeps breaks http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1017410
May 28 15:00:01 <javispedro> ;)
May 28 15:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> eh? breaks what?
May 28 15:00:15 <MoonTiger> btw the black death really sucked
May 28 15:00:26 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 28 15:00:46 <DocScrutinizer> I think I *never* played pacman
May 28 15:01:12 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, I now recall I did, once or twice
May 28 15:01:14 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I'd expect someone opening a "abill_uk sucks poll" thread, but I would have never expected .... Stskeeps to be the one opening it.
May 28 15:01:25 <MoonTiger> i had a gf who *loved* miss pacman
May 28 15:01:29 <DocScrutinizer> hahahahHAHAHAHAHAH
May 28 15:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> COUGH
May 28 15:01:48 * DocScrutinizer clicks the link
May 28 15:01:53 <MoonTiger> abill_uk ... i thought he was helpfull?
May 28 15:03:43 <MoonTiger> ohhh
May 28 15:05:16 <MohammadAG> lmfao @ Stskeeps's thread
May 28 15:05:54 <ShadowJK> rofl
May 28 15:06:13 <MoonTiger> shame man ... he is obviously not quite all there
May 28 15:06:16 <javispedro> tbh, I find abill_uk funny but then again he has never directly criticized my stuff. I bet I would have called it a day much earlier if I was in stskeeps position :)
May 28 15:06:18 <mer_ge> can I change the XMPP priority of my maemo "resource"? if not: what's the default priority of the N900's jabber resource?
May 28 15:06:19 <ShadowJK> screw this voting shit though, need some dictator to just boot him :P
May 28 15:08:10 <javispedro> yeah, just boot him already.
May 28 15:08:47 <dm8tbr> mer_ge: yes you can
May 28 15:08:56 <dm8tbr> mer_ge: there's a hack for that
May 28 15:09:33 <mer_ge> dm8tbr nice! could you point me to it?
May 28 15:09:42 <dm8tbr> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141#c16
May 28 15:09:44 <povbot> Bug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk
May 28 15:11:52 <MoonTiger> does the CSSU fix some of the issues with modest btw?
May 28 15:12:10 <cehteh> not enough :P
May 28 15:12:18 <MoonTiger> *sigh*
May 28 15:12:31 <MoonTiger> does it fix the "only get emails for the last x days" problem?
May 28 15:12:39 * DocScrutinizer reminds about abill_uk bitching against hostmode and "will never work unless you do the hw mods I did (which I'm not going to disclose to you)"
May 28 15:12:59 <cehteh> lol
May 28 15:13:29 <cehteh> which prolly was soldering a gender-changer adapter :P
May 28 15:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> I'd  not be surprised to find meriam-webster include abill as a swear word / insult
May 28 15:14:07 <cehteh> well hostmode was really quite some work and took time right
May 28 15:14:14 * MohammadAG votes yes
May 28 15:14:47 <MohammadAG> normally I wouldn't get involved, but 1) it's driving Stskeeps away, 2) abill_uk's first comment was ... stupid
May 28 15:15:34 <DocScrutinizer> (bitching against hostmode) even worse, he did that when there already were first reports about successful hostmode in very same thread
May 28 15:17:04 <cehteh>  sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL
May 28 15:17:04 <cehteh> Hangup
May 28 15:17:04 <cehteh> tset: unknown terminal type xterm
May 28 15:17:04 <cehteh> Terminal type? rxvt
May 28 15:17:04 <cehteh> tset: unknown terminal type rxvt
May 28 15:17:08 <cehteh> grr
May 28 15:17:22 <MohammadAG> there's fix for that, sec
May 28 15:18:05 <cehteh> ah thanks
May 28 15:18:12 <MohammadAG> see 2 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=454
May 28 15:20:02 <cehteh> oh man .. ok :)
May 28 15:20:11 <Macer> longest time without charge.. 2 days 9 hours haha
May 28 15:21:42 <Macer> 4000 days old? :)
May 28 15:22:03 <Macer> my n900 was turned on 4166 days ago ?
May 28 15:22:18 <Macer> was nokia holding out?
May 28 15:22:28 <javispedro> uh?
May 28 15:25:52 <Macer> javispedro: battery eye
May 28 15:26:07 <Macer> im jk
May 28 15:26:19 <javispedro> trying to understand why stskeeps felt necessary a public thread. I bet a quick "ultimatum" from stskeeps to any TMO mod would have quickly resulted in abill_uk's gruesome death.
May 28 15:26:24 <javispedro> Macer: ah :D
May 28 15:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: PING
May 28 15:41:17 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: RTC lost date
May 28 15:41:51 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: yah
May 28 15:42:13 <Macer> does the n900 have an interal battery for it?
May 28 15:42:24 <DocScrutinizer> yes, a broken one
May 28 15:42:34 <Macer> seems so
May 28 15:42:43 <DocScrutinizer> known issue
May 28 15:42:45 <Macer> does it recharge?
May 28 15:42:53 <jacekowski> no
May 28 15:43:00 <jacekowski> no need for that if it's operating correctly
May 28 15:43:05 <jacekowski> but it's not in most cases
May 28 15:43:09 <DocScrutinizer> I suggested fixes several times here, dunno if there's sth persistent
May 28 15:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: the cell breaks and leaks
May 28 15:43:33 <Macer> heh
May 28 15:43:39 <Macer> awesome
May 28 15:44:13 <Macer> so every time my battery fully dies i lose time huh?
May 28 15:44:20 <jacekowski> no
May 28 15:44:30 <jacekowski> rtc has much lower voltage requrements
May 28 15:44:35 <Macer> when i pull it?
May 28 15:44:40 <jacekowski> yes
May 28 15:44:45 <Macer> great heh
May 28 15:44:46 <jacekowski> but only if you do it for more than couple seconds
May 28 15:45:00 <javispedro> I am yet to be able to do a swap in less than such number of seconds ;)
May 28 15:45:04 <Macer> hahahaha
May 28 15:45:12 <Macer> me neither
May 28 15:45:18 <DocScrutinizer> even broken bupbat does support RTC for some 10 seconds
May 28 15:45:22 <Macer> then again i dont pull it too often
May 28 15:45:32 <javispedro> well, I do -- to reset ;)
May 28 15:45:40 * javispedro ponders..
May 28 15:45:42 <Macer> reset?
May 28 15:45:47 <javispedro> reboot
May 28 15:45:55 <javispedro> after a kernel panic or the like
May 28 15:46:14 <Macer> kernel panic? good lord what are you doing? :)
May 28 15:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> usually >8s of power button should work
May 28 15:46:37 <DocScrutinizer> unless maemo kernel fsckd it up
May 28 15:46:46 <javispedro> hm
May 28 15:46:49 <Macer> >8s of power button?
May 28 15:46:57 <Macer> to turn off?
May 28 15:47:01 <javispedro> If N9 doesn't have user replaceable battery, I hope it has a reset hole or the like ;)
May 28 15:47:03 <DocScrutinizer> it's a hw thing with the twl5030 PMU
May 28 15:47:07 <javispedro> non-overridable ;)
May 28 15:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: ooh it is
May 28 15:47:45 <Macer> button battery?
May 28 15:47:52 <DocScrutinizer> you 'just' have to send a keep-alive aka timer reset every few (<8) seconds
May 28 15:47:57 <Macer> why nor just put a small rechargeable one?
May 28 15:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: yes
May 28 15:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: it is a LiIon
May 28 15:48:14 <Macer> not
May 28 15:48:18 <DocScrutinizer> that's the problem
May 28 15:48:36 <DocScrutinizer> those are known to break
May 28 15:48:45 <Macer> ah. ok.
May 28 15:48:59 <Macer> ah well. then i just am stuck with a broken rtc i suppose
May 28 15:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> or replace the backup battery by a goldcap type
May 28 15:49:26 <Macer> not big enough of a deal to rip my n900 apart and start soldering things onto it
May 28 15:49:33 <DocScrutinizer> ok
May 28 15:49:37 <DocScrutinizer> fair enough
May 28 15:49:45 <Macer> but the key pad... i need a new keypad
May 28 15:49:49 <Macer> mine is faded
May 28 15:50:02 <Macer> have a big lit white spot on my space key
May 28 15:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> if you ever ponder, I can toss over a link to a better type of replacement cell
May 28 15:50:27 <Macer> heh. i am not good at soldering
May 28 15:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: that's also no uncommon problem
May 28 15:50:50 <Macer> i would have a glob of solder spill all over the place
May 28 15:50:54 <DocScrutinizer> there are replacement keymats available - swapping is easy
May 28 15:51:15 <Macer> is it? have a link to one with tools?
May 28 15:52:18 <Macer> i was looking a while ago but all i could find is it with an entire housing
May 28 15:52:34 <Macer> which i wouldnt mind getting in case i break the housing
May 28 15:53:45 <Macer> bbl
May 28 15:54:31 <hopbeat> anyone here has any experience with recording video from front-facing cam on n900?
May 28 15:54:53 <hopbeat> cannto find the right settings with mencoder or gst-launch
May 28 16:01:46 <javispedro> the abill_uk debacle is not going to end well.... just ban him already and close the thread.
May 28 16:03:19 <GAN900> morning suckers
May 28 16:03:57 <javispedro> morning GAN900
May 28 16:07:54 <merlin1991> psycho_oreos: pong
May 28 16:08:18 <psycho_oreos> merlin1991, power47 can be installed also if you install it from extras-devel
May 28 16:08:40 <merlin1991> sry I'm missing the context here
May 28 16:09:37 <psycho_oreos> you were asking about titan's power kernel, you couldn't find tmo thread or something on it. I paste the link then but also found that the kernel is installable through extras-devel
May 28 16:10:10 <merlin1991> I needed the tmo thread because I needed the dev contact :)
May 28 16:10:16 <merlin1991> but thx
May 28 16:10:29 <psycho_oreos> ahh ok
May 28 16:28:22 * lardman waits for HAM to check updates.....
May 28 16:31:13 * lcuk waits for BACON to check updates.....
May 28 16:31:34 * psycho_oreos thinks someone is hungry :þ
May 28 16:31:52 <merlin1991> damn you lcuk, now I'm hungry
May 28 16:34:36 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: sorry for delay (distracted by abill ;-P) here you are: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php  http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/
May 28 16:34:39 <lardman> hmm, I don't like the way no work has been done on the zbar code in 19 months other than for iPhone branches
May 28 16:38:51 <lardman> hmm, can't seem to find an open source Aztec barcode decoder, or even any kind of decoder for that matter
May 28 16:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 scandinavian only, other out of stock ---http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-QWERTY-KEYMAT-ENGLISH-265740- --- http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html DEUTSCH --- http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.
May 28 16:39:57 <DocScrutinizer> html
May 28 16:41:24 <DocScrutinizer> lo GAN900
May 28 16:43:32 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: ping
May 28 16:51:05 <DocScrutinizer> btw it's awesome how http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=10381651&pp=25&page=20 is ending at march 11 2011, neglecting all the awesome stuff abill_uk posted last year
May 28 17:13:07 <javispedro> Texrat is a genius http://tabulacrypticum.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/users.png
May 28 17:21:21 <MohammadAG> that's Stskeeps's thread closed...
May 28 17:22:31 <NIN101> and so the story will continue. sad.
May 28 17:26:53 <javispedro> even though both sides of the maemo vs meego war want him out =)
May 28 17:28:38 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: pong
May 28 17:29:01 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: too late, texrat closed the thread :-P
May 28 17:29:17 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: and so?
May 28 17:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> so nothing left to do about it
May 28 17:30:11 <dm8tbr> meh, forums, who needs those anyway...
May 28 17:30:18 <chem|st> I ignore abill for dazs now as he is spamming mods with the "Report This" button...
May 28 17:30:33 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
May 28 17:30:50 <javispedro> wtf
May 28 17:31:04 <javispedro> seriously, why is preventing a click to the "fsck him" button?
May 28 17:31:08 <javispedro> s/why/what
May 28 17:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73535&page=6 you'll love it
May 28 17:31:35 <cehteh> is there a 'ignore' on tmo?
May 28 17:31:40 <chem|st> if he would be just a bit more grown up say 18+ it would be fine, but I don't want to spend my time on a 14yo little brat
May 28 17:32:25 * MohammadAG feels offended again :P
May 28 17:33:15 <javispedro> MohammadAG: do you consider yourself a 14yo little brat?
May 28 17:33:31 <MohammadAG> no, but I'm not 18+ :p
May 28 17:33:56 <chem|st> MohammadAG: but you are acting like 18+ that's a huge difference...
May 28 17:34:16 <javispedro> and you're not a brat ;
May 28 17:34:25 <chem|st> I have no idea how old abill is but from his behaviour he is no older than 14
May 28 17:34:44 <jacekowski> you don't look very old as well
May 28 17:34:51 <chem|st> javispedro: specially not a fscked up brat
May 28 17:35:08 <DocScrutinizer> from what he claims to do and be he's 40+
May 28 17:35:18 <javispedro> more like 400
May 28 17:35:44 <chem|st> on the forum pic I was about 25
May 28 17:35:48 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/modcp might help :P
May 28 17:35:59 <javispedro> (talking about abill_uk) his skills include fleeting middle age battleships, so he has to be 800+
May 28 17:36:29 <chem|st> and at least 5 academical degrees
May 28 17:36:46 <MohammadAG> has tmo considered a vbulletin upgrade to say, version 4 btw?
May 28 17:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> dead from neck up
May 28 17:37:08 <MohammadAG> a vbulletin app would be interesting, and a REST API is built into version 4
May 28 17:37:10 <chem|st> MohammadAG: tmo gets upgraded like hurd is released
May 28 17:38:36 <MohammadAG> chem|st, by the looks of it, we need maemo.org for Maemo 6, so I'd suggest an early upgrade before that's even announced
May 28 17:38:37 <GAN900> Not only closed but deleted?
May 28 17:38:43 <GAN900> Did I miss anything good?
May 28 17:39:01 <javispedro> GAN900: Stskeeps snapping
May 28 17:39:02 <MohammadAG> not deleted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73535
May 28 17:39:32 <chem|st> MohammadAG: I wait +1year now for getting access to the brainstorm backend to start making use of it
May 28 17:41:13 <MohammadAG> chem|st, maybe reggie should pass administration to someone else?
May 28 17:43:11 <chem|st> MohammadAG: ehrm reggie is just maemo.org admin not the serveradmin
May 28 17:43:22 <chem|st> afaik
May 28 17:43:41 <javispedro> talk.maemo.org admin
May 28 17:44:21 <chem|st> just moved all those meego stuff from community to meego, I am fed up with this meego droid shit all over the place...
May 28 17:44:35 <chem|st> tmo is not nitdroid nor meego...
May 28 17:45:08 <chem|st> javispedro: or even that
May 28 17:45:34 <merlin1991> huh?
May 28 17:45:36 <Necc> i need a little help pls: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/Screenshot-20110528-194139.png -> where/how can i customize the strenght of each step of the brightness?
May 28 17:46:13 <MohammadAG> chem|st, Maemo 6 belongs on maemo.org
May 28 17:46:39 <MohammadAG> Necc, it's an mce thing afaik
May 28 17:46:57 <Necc> i read the while mce.ini and i didn't found it
May 28 17:47:02 <Necc> *whole
May 28 17:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> GOLDEN :-D  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=640720#post640720
May 28 17:47:23 <lardman> re TMO what's the deal with becoming an admin on the forum? I used to be one, but my privs were revoked and despite asking why never any answer
May 28 17:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> Necc: there's no way
May 28 17:48:09 <DocScrutinizer> it's hardcoded
May 28 17:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> for all I know
May 28 17:48:17 <Necc> yay._.
May 28 17:48:32 <DocScrutinizer> yeah :-/
May 28 17:48:52 <DocScrutinizer> mce - one of my favourite targets at shooting range
May 28 17:49:06 <MohammadAG> hmm, so the N900's display is a sony
May 28 17:49:15 <Necc> and it is possible to make the screen brightness to 100% by one touch? my only problem is even if i set the brightness to maximum, i still can not see/read what's on the screen
May 28 17:49:28 <Necc> MohammadAG, yes
May 28 17:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> Necc: that's odd
May 28 17:49:51 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, what's a "CABC"
May 28 17:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 28 17:50:09 <DocScrutinizer> an ETLA?
May 28 17:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> a new drug?
May 28 17:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
May 28 17:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> context please
May 28 17:52:14 <chem|st> MohammadAG: not talking about m6 I talk about all that tablet netbook meegoDE shit
May 28 17:52:23 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, display
May 28 17:52:30 <MohammadAG> it says Sony acxwhatever with CABC
May 28 17:52:38 <chem|st> the threads spreading like chicken on crack
May 28 17:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> umm
May 28 17:53:10 <DocScrutinizer> I seem to recall something about automatic backlight control
May 28 17:53:21 <MohammadAG> chem|st, well, the whole point was to upgrade to vBulletin version 4
May 28 17:53:32 <MohammadAG> I'd love (to make?) a forum app
May 28 17:53:40 <MohammadAG> whether it's on maemo 5 or 6
May 28 17:54:10 <javispedro> a forum app? so that abill_uk can troll tmo on the go???
May 28 17:54:13 <javispedro> I'm sold!
May 28 17:54:34 <javispedro> ( ;) )
May 28 17:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 28 17:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> LMAO
May 28 17:54:54 <MohammadAG> javispedro, if (user == "
May 28 17:54:59 <MohammadAG> damn enter
May 28 17:55:16 <MohammadAG> if (user == "abill_uk"), qFatal(1);
May 28 17:55:16 <javispedro> now thing something funny to put inside the braces
May 28 17:55:30 <chem|st> MohammadAG: mailinglist, council? I have no clue who actualy has access to the servers
May 28 17:55:31 <DocScrutinizer> damn, that's patented for h-e-n ;-P
May 28 17:55:39 <javispedro> like if (abill_uk) { connect_with_Eliza_ChatBot() }
May 28 17:55:55 <MohammadAG> meatspins are old eh?
May 28 17:56:08 <MohammadAG> chem|st, I think it's the admin
May 28 17:56:21 <chem|st> but who is?
May 28 17:56:34 <MohammadAG> Reggie
May 28 17:56:42 <MohammadAG> forum admin, not server admin
May 28 17:56:48 <MohammadAG> not sure though, I'll check
May 28 17:57:04 <chem|st> MohammadAG: can vbulletin be upgraded from within?
May 28 17:57:14 <MohammadAG> that's what I'm checking
May 28 17:57:20 <MohammadAG> (I know wordpress can...)
May 28 17:57:27 <chem|st> I doubt it...
May 28 17:57:44 <chem|st> but reggie knows who to talk with
May 28 17:58:33 <MohammadAG> you're right
May 28 17:58:44 <MohammadAG> he needs to have FTP access
May 28 17:58:55 <MohammadAG> or ssh etc
May 28 17:58:58 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG:
May 28 17:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# cat cabc_available_modes
May 28 17:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> off ui still-image moving-image
May 28 17:59:19 <javispedro> sounds like adaptative brightness/contrast?
May 28 17:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> it is
May 28 18:00:04 <javispedro> google says CABC = Content Adaptative Brightness Control
May 28 18:00:12 * DocScrutinizer onders idly if mediaplayer is setiing it accordingly
May 28 18:00:37 <MohammadAG> why should it?
May 28 18:00:50 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# cat cabc_mode
May 28 18:00:51 <DocScrutinizer> off
May 28 18:01:00 <MohammadAG> wow
May 28 18:01:03 <MohammadAG> an upgrade is $170
May 28 18:01:11 <MohammadAG> is that within maemo.org's budget?
May 28 18:01:53 <javispedro> sounds actually cheap, is that the correct license?
May 28 18:02:00 <DocScrutinizer> now if I wasn't THAT lazy, I'd move over to the other room and start some video playback on N900
May 28 18:02:40 <MohammadAG> javispedro, classic forum
May 28 18:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> for movie playback cabc_mode = moving-image could reduce battery consumption and give better picture
May 28 18:03:48 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: mine is on "moving-image"
May 28 18:03:55 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 28 18:03:59 <javispedro> _always_
May 28 18:04:06 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?!
May 28 18:04:26 <MohammadAG> same
May 28 18:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> so what happened to mine?
May 28 18:05:07 <chem|st> MohammadAG: budget... I guess so
May 28 18:05:08 <DocScrutinizer> I might have twiddled with it some months ago, but I don't think this thing should be persistent across powercycling?
May 28 18:05:14 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I bet it might have something to do with the power saving options in the screen control panel applet?
May 28 18:05:20 <MohammadAG> disabling power saving mode sets it to off
May 28 18:05:30 <javispedro> yep
May 28 18:05:31 <javispedro> confirming.
May 28 18:05:31 <biston> hey MohammadAG. good evening
May 28 18:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> DUH
May 28 18:05:47 <DocScrutinizer> good find, excellent
May 28 18:05:56 <merlin1991> mine is moving-image even though I'm just on plain desktop
May 28 18:06:15 * javispedro actually prefers moving-image, probably because I'm used to it...
May 28 18:06:18 <DocScrutinizer> always wondered what that powersavingsmode might be
May 28 18:06:27 <MohammadAG> I'm lagging like shit on my laptop...
May 28 18:06:31 <MohammadAG> hey biston
May 28 18:06:46 <biston> i just have a quick question. Today I got in some trouble with my boss because my N900 doesn't freakn display the number from which my contact is calling from, just the contact name is displayed. is there a solution for that?
May 28 18:06:49 <DocScrutinizer> thanks chaps
May 28 18:06:50 <MohammadAG> I was reading mce's code, got bored at line 1500
May 28 18:07:15 <MohammadAG> biston, slide2answer shows the number
May 28 18:07:22 <MohammadAG> there's no way to modify the stock dialog
May 28 18:07:47 <biston> oh okay, coz i installed it a long time ago, it had a really bad display on my phone. i couldn't even understand where to slide to lol
May 28 18:07:51 <cehteh> closed source ftw \o/
May 28 18:07:54 <biston> i'll try the updated version. thanks
May 28 18:08:01 <MohammadAG> someone may be able to show a yellow banner until the call's answered/rejected, but not exactly a C person
May 28 18:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: more interesting: have you found out if the "FOSS" mci is compatible to ours?
May 28 18:08:17 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, modules probably are
May 28 18:08:28 <MohammadAG> mce itself, debian/control states a minimum of 2.6.32
May 28 18:08:28 <Itschuee> does anyone nows something about the fact that the game angry birds can see my privat date like contacts
May 28 18:08:44 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
May 28 18:09:02 <biston> MohammadAG 0.1.5 is the latest ?
May 28 18:09:18 * javispedro grabs popcorn
May 28 18:09:24 <MohammadAG> lulz
May 28 18:09:25 <MohammadAG> /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/scripts/iphonelite/achievements.lua
May 28 18:09:25 <MohammadAG> /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/scripts/iphonelite/leaderboards.lua
May 28 18:09:34 <MohammadAG> biston, think so, I no longer maintain it
May 28 18:09:35 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: which channel? ;-D
May 28 18:09:44 <Itschuee> is it possible to deactivate this?
May 28 18:09:55 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: this one actually. wait and see.
May 28 18:10:00 <biston> oh, who does now MohammadAG?
May 28 18:10:08 <MohammadAG> I only provided the concept in Qt (slow) based on javispedro's HILDON_STACKING_LAYER finding
May 28 18:10:08 <MohammadAG> nicolai rewrote it in Gtk (epic quick)
May 28 18:10:20 <DocScrutinizer> Itschuee: deactivate what?
May 28 18:10:43 <javispedro> application isolation in maemo is non-existant
May 28 18:10:50 <Itschuee> that angry birds cant see or in worst case use my private data like contacts
May 28 18:11:04 <javispedro> if angry birds for some reason is reading your contacts, there's nothing to stop it from doing so.
May 28 18:11:18 <javispedro> now the reason I grabbed popcorn is becase we're going to appear in all tech news if rovio has decided to do so.
May 28 18:11:18 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# cat /opt/rovio/angrybirds/bin/powervr.ini
May 28 18:11:19 <MohammadAG> [angrybirds]
May 28 18:11:19 <MohammadAG> ForceExternalZBuffer=0
May 28 18:11:21 <MohammadAG> wtf?
May 28 18:11:29 <MohammadAG> biston, nicolai I think
May 28 18:11:36 <Itschuee> and can stop it that these informations öleave my phone
May 28 18:11:36 <GAN900> I know we might not be having a fall conference
May 28 18:11:55 <GAN900> but I'd like everyone here to start planning on being there if we do.
May 28 18:11:59 <javispedro> GAN900: we misbehaved in SF, what with proposing jaffa for tsg et all?
May 28 18:12:10 <javispedro> and they banned us from future meegoconfs? =)
May 28 18:12:16 <biston> hmm, no silence button
May 28 18:12:29 <MohammadAG> biston, indeed, I just flip the phone
May 28 18:12:37 <GAN900> javispedro, well, MeeGo being on the slippery slope to irrelevancy.
May 28 18:12:37 <MohammadAG> but I miss that as well
May 28 18:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> (<MohammadAG> someone may be able to show a yellow banner) no but a shellscripter aware of python scripting and dbus-send may do, in a five minutes
May 28 18:12:45 <javispedro> Itschuee: for curiosity, how do you know angry brids reads contacts?
May 28 18:13:04 <biston> i can't flip the phone if i'm taking it out of my pocket and returning it lol
May 28 18:13:11 <MohammadAG> won't there be any maemo summits? with harmattan and all?
May 28 18:13:14 <biston> people would look @ me as crazy
May 28 18:13:15 <Itschuee> my friend tells me that he saw it on tv
May 28 18:13:43 <GAN900> MohammadAG, dunno. Seems unlikely what with WP7 and all.
May 28 18:14:26 <javispedro> Itschuee: ah, they saw that happening on Android and iPhone. Maemo is different (so far); they do not care about our geek contacts...
May 28 18:14:27 <NIN101> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1017559#post1017559 lol
May 28 18:14:49 <GAN900> So, is abill banned?
May 28 18:15:04 <DocScrutinizer> quite prolly not
May 28 18:15:25 <MohammadAG> Itschuee, who told you about the contacts thing?
May 28 18:15:39 <MohammadAG> cause I can't find any reference to osso or book (abook) in the binary
May 28 18:15:45 <Itschuee> ok have i understood it right angry birds cant under memo see my private things and us it?
May 28 18:15:59 <javispedro> Itschuee: the answer is "it can, but we believe it doesn't".
May 28 18:16:01 <nid0> quite the opposite
May 28 18:16:51 <Itschuee> is it possbile to cheeck this?
May 28 18:17:22 <MohammadAG> string the binary, no references to osso-abook
May 28 18:17:27 <MohammadAG> (contacts API)
May 28 18:17:36 <javispedro> not with a 100% degree of certainity, but with a 99%.
May 28 18:17:49 <MohammadAG> .9
May 28 18:18:00 <javispedro> MohammadAG: e.g you should grep for sqlite, filenames, etc. it could even be building the filename character per character.
May 28 18:18:11 <GAN900> I disagree with Stskeeps about the transparency claim
May 28 18:18:20 <javispedro> MohammadAG: that's what you get with propietary software...
May 28 18:18:21 <MohammadAG> transparency?
May 28 18:18:24 <GAN900> Stuff like this should generally be handled privately first.
May 28 18:18:37 <GAN900> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017452&postcount=25
May 28 18:18:43 <javispedro> GAN900: I agree with you here, no idea why he decided to snap publicly
May 28 18:18:48 <MohammadAG> javispedro, already checked about .db
May 28 18:19:29 <javispedro> omg abill_uk is retarded or what
May 28 18:19:42 <javispedro> if I where him I would have gone completely silent for a few days
May 28 18:19:44 <MohammadAG> tell me he started a poll to ban Sts
May 28 18:19:59 <javispedro> na, I just read the message NIN101 quoted
May 28 18:20:46 <xd13> its shit like this that makes me love my n900 and hate a lot of phones http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20066266-245.html
May 28 18:21:27 <MohammadAG> lol he really thinks Nokia's gonna look at his poll
May 28 18:21:41 <xd13> no they're not
May 28 18:22:35 <alterego> GAN900: did you get home alright?
May 28 18:22:57 <GAN900> alterego, still in CA
May 28 18:22:58 <GAN900> Flying back tomorrow.
May 28 18:23:16 <alterego> Ah, cool, much other attendees still about?
May 28 18:23:39 <GAN900> In Capitola with family
May 28 18:23:40 <GAN900> Dunno
May 28 18:24:10 <alterego> Ah, m'kay
May 28 18:24:25 <alterego> I'm somewhat unsuccessfully trying to install the wetab os on my exo
May 28 18:24:40 <alterego> Seems my rescue image is broken, so I'm downloading the torrent again ..
May 28 18:24:43 <achipa> lardman: I'm about... if the matter is still actual
May 28 18:26:20 <javispedro> when will Jaffa start his campaign for TSG presidency? ;)
May 28 18:26:38 <alterego> Jaffa4TSG
May 28 18:26:46 <lardman> achipa: ah yes, was wondering about your talk with Quim re Harmattan
May 28 18:26:47 <alterego> Or abill_uk4TSG?
May 28 18:27:10 <javispedro> maybe if Nokians don't want to board the sinking Meego ship he can steer it to Finland and either crash it or dock it there.
May 28 18:27:57 <achipa> lardman: ...
May 28 18:28:28 <alterego> Heh
May 28 18:29:47 <javispedro> alterego: you know what would abill_uk's first move be, open a poll where he says "Who should MeeGo merge with?" "iOS" "Android".
May 28 18:29:56 <javispedro> and you'd be able to vote both.
May 28 18:30:22 <alterego> Hah
May 28 18:31:32 <GAN900> achipa, milking that visa for all its worth? :P
May 28 18:31:38 <GAN900> achipa, how's that Nook?
May 28 18:32:19 <MohammadAG> GAN900, where's the next conference going to be?
May 28 18:32:41 <GAN900> MohammadAG, no plans that I've heard about
May 28 18:32:51 <alterego> MohammadAG: not even planned yet
May 28 18:32:51 <lardman> achipa: apparently you guys were going to report on it, according to the post in forum.meego.com?
May 28 18:32:57 <alterego> And probably not until next year
May 28 18:33:14 <MohammadAG> what the...
May 28 18:33:16 <achipa> GAN900: oh, I'm back in .fi since yesterday :) the nook is just fine, the firmware (as predicted) didn't live to see one full day, now playing with a gingerbread build + necessitas, and next week it's meego time !
May 28 18:33:18 <MohammadAG> I thought there'd be one in november
May 28 18:33:28 <wmarone> wait, did achipa buy a nook color too?
May 28 18:33:30 <lardman> MohammadAG: yeah we need to know some dates for the next conf for the diary, please :)
May 28 18:33:31 <wmarone> nice
May 28 18:33:49 <alterego> Heh
May 28 18:33:57 <javispedro> nook color?
May 28 18:34:02 <MohammadAG> lardman, no, but the government doesn't like giving visas quick here :p
May 28 18:34:08 <GAN900> achipa, ah, right. Mixed threads there.
May 28 18:34:18 <MohammadAG> that's why I missed November's con
May 28 18:34:39 <GAN900> achipa, let me know when you get MeeGo up. Mine is currently drawer fodder.
May 28 18:34:50 <GAN900> wmarone, have fun at the conf?
May 28 18:34:56 <wmarone> javispedro: yes, barnes & noble's android-based tablet. OMAP3621 based system.
May 28 18:34:58 <javispedro> why is the nook color so damn poopular?
May 28 18:35:03 <javispedro> webos guys the same.
May 28 18:35:24 <GAN900> javispedro, bigger, faster N900 for $200?
May 28 18:35:40 <GAN900> Good MeeGo target
May 28 18:35:47 <wmarone> GAN900: yes, quite fun.
May 28 18:35:53 <MohammadAG> I thought the screen was ebook-style?
May 28 18:35:54 <wmarone> heh
May 28 18:36:00 <achipa> javispedro: OMAP3 + 512MB RAM + 8G flash + (good) 7" color + SD slot
May 28 18:36:00 <MohammadAG> low refresh rate and such
May 28 18:36:01 <GAN900> Nook Color
May 28 18:36:02 <wmarone> that's the regular nook, and the newer nook
May 28 18:36:04 <GAN900> Not Nook.
May 28 18:36:18 <wmarone> the NC has an IPS panel similar to the BB Playbook/Galaxy Tab
May 28 18:36:31 <wmarone> so it looks good from an angle
May 28 18:36:32 <achipa> yeah, very nice display...
May 28 18:36:37 <javispedro> how does it look outside?
May 28 18:36:41 <javispedro> on the outsides; I mean?
May 28 18:36:50 <MohammadAG> 249 bucks, that's actually cheap
May 28 18:37:20 <GAN900> javispedro, build is a bit cheapy
May 28 18:37:23 <GAN900> Buttons are shit
May 28 18:37:26 <GAN900> But, meh
May 28 18:37:27 <javispedro> and capacitive screen
May 28 18:37:28 <GAN900> $200
May 28 18:37:29 <javispedro> I bet.
May 28 18:37:40 <lardman> MohammadAG: I just need to arrange work around it
May 28 18:37:41 <achipa> yes, buttons are shit, but who uses button anyways :)
May 28 18:37:41 <wmarone> two touch capacitive screen
May 28 18:37:45 <GAN900> I really want FBReader sync
May 28 18:38:09 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder if anybody on that disclose-the-source poll thread had ever heard about recent efforts about this that started here
May 28 18:38:09 <wmarone> achipa: Stskeeps also picked one up, and I've wandered a bit into the disaster of a kernel it comes with
May 28 18:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> also wondering what's been the result of the talk of Jaffa(?) with Nokians about all that?
May 28 18:38:52 <achipa> wmarone: I don't know what it comes with... I booted the original fw, said, okay, it's such a shame people do this to good HW and nuked it :)
May 28 18:39:02 <wmarone> achipa: yeah, did the same
May 28 18:39:18 <wmarone> the original version came with linux 2.6.29, the most recent update brought it forward to 2.6.32
May 28 18:39:32 <wmarone> I should document how I created my MeeGo SD card for it...
May 28 18:39:53 <achipa> yes, do that
May 28 18:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> anyway this whole poll thread is a complete deja-vu
May 28 18:41:21 <MohammadAG> achipa, wmarone any ideas if the USB port supports OTG?
May 28 18:41:25 <DocScrutinizer> definitely NO new point in there
May 28 18:41:35 * javispedro watches MohammadAG being sold on the nook too
May 28 18:41:49 <wmarone> MohammadAG: my understanding is that it does, but it's still WIP by the Android teams
May 28 18:42:02 <wmarone> it also supports bluetooth, but there's thinking that it's not completely hooked up
May 28 18:42:24 <MohammadAG> I was wondering if you could attach a 3G modem to it
May 28 18:42:29 <MohammadAG> javispedro, not yet :p
May 28 18:42:48 * DocScrutinizer just wonders what's been the nick of the guy... jonwill?
May 28 18:42:53 <javispedro> jownil
May 28 18:42:55 <javispedro> ~seen jonwil
May 28 18:43:04 <javispedro> ~ping
May 28 18:43:07 <infobot> jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 5h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'But that's a question for #meego-arm really :P'.
May 28 18:43:07 <infobot> ~pong
May 28 18:43:37 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: any news about that?
May 28 18:43:49 <javispedro> and you complain about my absences! /me hides
May 28 18:44:18 <MohammadAG> javispedro, you disappeared for 3 months straight last year
May 28 18:44:30 <MohammadAG> you know, when hostmode actually gained momentum :p
May 28 18:46:47 <xd13> if i don't OC and don't rly need ipv6 any good reason to get kernel power ?
May 28 18:47:07 <DocScrutinizer> xd13: a dozen
May 28 18:47:22 <xd13> rly
May 28 18:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if any of those applies to you though
May 28 18:47:55 <xd13> any chance u could tell them to me, i've read the faq on it nothing rly intriguing that i've seen
May 28 18:47:58 <kerio> xd13: wifi connection sharing
May 28 18:48:04 <kerio> also you tend to overuse "really"
May 28 18:48:07 <DocScrutinizer> actually OC is the only invalid reason to get PK
May 28 18:48:14 <kerio> i suppose that's the reason for your constant shortening
May 28 18:48:16 * javispedro doesn't use PK
May 28 18:48:23 <RiD> Hi everyone :)
May 28 18:48:39 <everyone> RiD: omg you're the only one that noticed me! hi!
May 28 18:48:44 <javispedro> goodbye every
May 28 18:48:51 <RiD> lol
May 28 18:48:53 <MohammadAG> tab win
May 28 18:48:53 <javispedro> damn, you just renamed when I was about to hit tab.
May 28 18:49:12 <kerio> goodbye everytab?
May 28 18:49:24 <RiD> He just said Hi
May 28 18:49:26 <RiD> and rage quitted =(
May 28 18:50:05 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 28 18:50:10 <RiD> Sorry about bothering, I'm sure you have more to do than helping n00bs, but I've got an issue.
May 28 18:50:11 <GAN900> javispedro is pro at dropping off the planet. :P
May 28 18:50:15 <DocScrutinizer> /whowas is a great command
May 28 18:50:27 <RiD>  /ragequit is also nice
May 28 18:50:30 <alterego> Yay, the install got past 27% ;)
May 28 18:50:32 <MohammadAG> /whowas sucks, /gline ftw
May 28 18:50:48 <MohammadAG> I need a private IRC server to try /gline *@*
May 28 18:51:26 <RiD> Ehm.. my N900 freezes everytime when I'm messing with the widgets (moving, adding, removing)
May 28 18:51:48 <RiD> Probably related to some widgets, but I haven't added anything new
May 28 18:52:08 <javispedro> aaaaaaaaargh I thanked a post abill_uk also thanked!!!!!!
May 28 18:52:10 * javispedro washes
May 28 18:52:27 <xd13> def shouldn't freeze. my n900 runs stable 4ever
May 28 18:52:39 <javispedro> RiD: have you rebooted already?
May 28 18:52:47 <RiD> Yep
May 28 18:52:51 <RiD> Rebooted around 20 times, LOL
May 28 18:53:05 <MohammadAG> do you have the HWSync thing set to 1?
May 28 18:53:37 <RiD> MohammadAG: I had before (before messing with the widgets) but it's been 0 for some time
May 28 18:54:53 <RiD> MohammadAG: I'm using modded transitions (adjusted them to my style) but that shouldn't crash hildon-home, I guess.
May 28 18:55:10 <javispedro> what's up with zehjotkah? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017565&postcount=3059
May 28 18:56:00 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: pah, I thanked a post of abill_uk ;-P
May 28 18:56:02 <RiD> javispedro: Nokia is probably using a brain waves detector and decryptor so we can just think in what to type and it will appear on the phone! tadaaa!
May 28 18:56:20 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure I can share an irc channel with you any longer...
May 28 18:56:28 <RiD> javispedro: Imagine using it to decrypt other people's thoughts
May 28 18:57:11 <javispedro> RiD: that's not patented.
May 28 18:57:16 <javispedro> well, it might be... who knows.
May 28 18:57:19 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis
May 28 18:57:26 <SpeedEvil> Big meter on inbound call.
May 28 18:57:51 <RiD> javispedro: I myself patented it.
May 28 18:58:18 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: your excuse is abill didn't understand what he thanked, mine is he doesn't know what he writes
May 28 18:58:23 <RiD> So I'll sue Nokia for using my technology
May 28 18:58:39 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: haha, good point.
May 28 18:58:50 <Venemo> I don't understand why you guys don't just ban abill from TMO
May 28 18:58:58 <Venemo> he is an obvious idiot
May 28 18:59:06 <javispedro> ^^^who is "you" in that sentence is a good question.
May 28 18:59:32 <Venemo> anyone who can actually do it
May 28 18:59:53 <javispedro> I mean, if that "you"=I, and the guy who was about to be banned was, let's say, pupnik, after another global new order story, I'd hesitate.
May 28 18:59:55 <DocScrutinizer> seems there's just nobody around
May 28 19:00:01 <SpeedEvil> Doesn't that include anyone with a sack, a shovel, and a large cucumber?
May 28 19:00:05 <RiD> By the way, I've read on the forums that ".desktop_cmd_exec," was the issue for a guy that had the same (or very similar) problem of me.
May 28 19:00:16 <javispedro> however, who from this channel would hesitate to ban abill_uk?
May 28 19:00:25 <RiD> Me
May 28 19:00:46 <RiD> I'll hesitate between normal ban and banhammer :(
May 28 19:00:46 <MohammadAG> me, you never want to screw with an engineer
May 28 19:00:47 <MohammadAG> just ask DocScrutinizer!
May 28 19:01:01 <DocScrutinizer> meh XD
May 28 19:01:43 <RiD> So errm.. anyone knows something about ".desktop_cmd_exec," ?
May 28 19:01:52 <MohammadAG> javispedro, not sure, but it looks interesting (re zehjotkah)
May 28 19:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> a shame the thread got close before I got my edit of my last post thru
May 28 19:02:23 <javispedro> RiD: do you have "desktop command execution" widget installed?
May 28 19:02:35 <RiD> javispedro: Oh.. no
May 28 19:02:55 <javispedro> nothing specific about that file then..
May 28 19:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> if that's afile
May 28 19:03:08 <RiD> javispedro: So far the only ones installed are the cutetube-QML widget, Oculo, TVBGone and USSD Widget
May 28 19:03:13 <alterego> Yay wetab os :)
May 28 19:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 28 19:03:29 <RiD> javispedro: and recaller. All of them were working fine
May 28 19:03:57 <DocScrutinizer> RiD: screw USSD widget, useless cruft
May 28 19:04:49 <javispedro> alterego: that one looked cool.
May 28 19:05:04 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: Lol it is usefull for me, It shows the money i have on the phone lol
May 28 19:05:23 <alterego> javispedro: yeah, I want to try something stable in a tablet form factor to get ideas about how the platform may evolve
May 28 19:05:34 <alterego> Personally my thought is the tablet market will die in about 3 years
May 28 19:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> err I do that by dialing a 'contact' that has 'numer' *101#
May 28 19:05:40 <alterego> And handsets will prevail
May 28 19:06:11 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: Well i prefer to have it auto updating every 2 hours, but everyone has it's own likes and dislikes
May 28 19:06:21 <DocScrutinizer> fair enough
May 28 19:06:44 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, speaking of USSD, I forgot the divert code
May 28 19:06:51 <MohammadAG> is it *22#?
May 28 19:06:52 <javispedro> on my carrier checking card balance is not free.
May 28 19:07:00 <javispedro> I hate them.
May 28 19:07:01 <RiD> javispedro: You serious?
May 28 19:07:02 <RiD> The pain is that I can't seem to edit the desktop for long - It always ends up crashing me
May 28 19:07:05 <DocScrutinizer> err *61# etc
May 28 19:07:14 <javispedro> RiD: deadly serious.
May 28 19:07:15 <DocScrutinizer> *62# *67#
May 28 19:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 28 19:07:29 <MohammadAG> javispedro, what if you have 0 balance? do they charge you when you charge the balance later?
May 28 19:07:33 <RiD> javispedro: Damn, Vodafone steals us here... but at least we can check the card balance for free lol
May 28 19:07:45 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, what about adding an unconditional divert?
May 28 19:07:46 <cehteh> javispedro: lolwut .. thats insane
May 28 19:07:52 <RiD> I have 0.09€... since December 2010
May 28 19:07:52 <MohammadAG> *XX*number#
May 28 19:07:53 <cehteh> (and illegal in germany i think)
May 28 19:07:56 <javispedro> MohammadAG: yes. They proceed to "loan" 2€ to you.
May 28 19:08:06 <DocScrutinizer> unconditional might indeed be 21 or 22 or sth
May 28 19:08:23 <MohammadAG> javispedro, LOL
May 28 19:08:49 <javispedro> on the good side, they do send free low-balance warnings.
May 28 19:08:58 <MohammadAG> javispedro, what if you keep doing that?
May 28 19:09:00 <javispedro> as short messages, not ussd stuff.
May 28 19:09:00 <RiD> javispedro: that remembers me iPhone, for some reason
May 28 19:09:01 <cehteh> haha "Give us more money"? :)
May 28 19:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/
May 28 19:09:22 <MohammadAG> do you keep on getting 2 euros till they run out?
May 28 19:09:30 <javispedro> MohammadAG: nope. 2 euros max.
May 28 19:09:39 <cehteh> mhm is it possible to withdraw money from skype?
May 28 19:09:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, ty
May 28 19:09:54 <MohammadAG> javispedro, and if you try to check after those?
May 28 19:10:00 * cehteh thinks he will never use the remaining 7 eurs up there 
May 28 19:10:00 <MohammadAG> cehteh, no
May 28 19:10:01 <javispedro> MohammadAG: good question :)
May 28 19:10:12 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: yw
May 28 19:10:25 <MohammadAG> cehteh, 7 bucks here, same
May 28 19:10:55 <MohammadAG> anyone up for making a FOSS voip service?
May 28 19:10:55 <cehteh> i used like 3 eur in 1.5 years
May 28 19:11:20 * MohammadAG slams head into keyboard, I shouldn't be thinking that
May 28 19:11:25 <cehteh> MohammadAG: peer to peer asterisk .. anyone delays a few calls to landlines in his country
May 28 19:11:43 <cehteh> sip in the front
May 28 19:11:47 <javispedro> MohammadAG: Gnu FreePhone (or whtvr is called)
May 28 19:12:01 <cehteh> the problem is only how to reach people outside of the internet
May 28 19:12:04 <javispedro> "Gnu Free Call"
May 28 19:12:13 <javispedro> from the FSF not less.
May 28 19:12:26 <cehteh> cool
May 28 19:12:35 <cehteh> port that to the n900
May 28 19:13:10 <cehteh> MohammadAG: you are bored? :)
May 28 19:13:31 <MohammadAG> cehteh, maybe
May 28 19:13:32 <RiD> Errm... besides flashing my phone to resolve the freezing issue, is there any thing i should do? Because reflashing only to fix that (damn) issue is a bit too much :(
May 28 19:14:06 <cehteh> RiD: figure out why it freezes then you can fix it
May 28 19:14:14 <cehteh> some app maybe?
May 28 19:14:18 <cehteh> widget?
May 28 19:14:26 <cehteh> deinstall anything you dont need
May 28 19:14:58 <cehteh> overclocked?
May 28 19:15:26 <RiD> cehteh: Yes, but crashes on default settings too
May 28 19:15:45 <RiD> cehteh: I do have a lot of libqtm's
May 28 19:15:56 <chem|st> RiD: get RiD of OC and come back later!
May 28 19:16:01 <cehteh> did it that before you firstly overclocked it too?
May 28 19:16:21 <cehteh> if not, they you may have fried your phone
May 28 19:16:57 <cehteh> (or undervolting too much .. do you use stock settings when you dont overclock?)
May 28 19:17:19 <RiD> cehteh: I have always been running overclocked (500 min and 700 max) and it didn't freeze me when i edited widgets
May 28 19:17:46 <RiD> cehteh: I do switch between profiles a lot, only overclock to run webOS games
May 28 19:17:47 * cehteh overclocks a little bit too and only 250/500/750 Mhz ... but i wont complain if its broken because of that
May 28 19:17:53 <chem|st> RiD: sounds that you fried your cpu! 500 min are you crazy?
May 28 19:18:14 <cehteh> 500min is ok and within the specs
May 28 19:18:40 <chem|st> cehteh: running 95% 500MHz is not within the specs
May 28 19:18:40 <RiD> chem|st: Well, it doesn't sound insane lol
May 28 19:18:52 <cehteh> iirc thats ok
May 28 19:19:16 <RiD> chem|st: AFAIK, the cpu sleeps when the phone is not in use... so the 500Mhz min wouldn't make difference when I'm not using it
May 28 19:19:20 <cehteh> anyways overclocking will eventually fry it or already did .. no one knows :)
May 28 19:19:46 <cehteh> overclocking for games is explicitly bad because you then run the cpu at full speed for extended time periods
May 28 19:19:58 <RiD> cehteh: Yes indeed
May 28 19:20:09 <kerio> cehteh: it doesn't make it any less sane, but if you have the money to spend (on new n900s) why not?
May 28 19:20:16 <RiD> but the phone only freezes when editing the widgets
May 28 19:20:35 <chem|st> then don't edit widgets o_O
May 28 19:20:39 <kerio> lol
May 28 19:20:47 <kerio> RiD: do you have some logs somewhere?
May 28 19:20:49 <cehteh> anyways .. i found out that my DSP didnt liked the aggressive undervolting at 250 mhz, the cpu worked fine but dsp just gone out for lunch
May 28 19:20:57 <DocScrutinizer> ([2011-05-28 21:10:21] <MohammadAG> anyone up for making a FOSS voip service?) I think most SIP providers use FOSS servers and most of the related infra
May 28 19:21:16 <kerio> MohammadAG: i'd do it but i hate talking to people
May 28 19:21:19 <kerio> and i hate people in general
May 28 19:21:32 <RiD> kerio: I guess not? lol
May 28 19:21:49 <kerio> RiD: i'd disable the OC and try again
May 28 19:22:07 <kerio> if it persists, and you can't trace it to a software problem, try testing the CPU
May 28 19:22:12 <RiD> kerio: As i said before, it crashes me on stock settings
May 28 19:22:23 <RiD> kerio: Only when editing the widgets, though.
May 28 19:22:26 <cehteh> RiD: and disable undervolting too .. thats not just reduce the highest freq .. disable the OC stuff completely
May 28 19:22:33 <Jaffa> javispedro: Sorry, was watching Doctor Who. Campaign investigation committee has been formed, what with my recent blog post about the keynote
May 28 19:22:43 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: No news to me. Suggest chasing up with the current council.
May 28 19:23:06 <MohammadAG> is Doctor Who good?
May 28 19:23:19 <RiD> cehteh: Default power kernel settings are the "normal" ones, or are they still undervolted?
May 28 19:23:31 <cehteh> i dont know
May 28 19:23:52 <cehteh> moment
May 28 19:24:16 <kerio> RiD: i think "stock" is just... stock
May 28 19:24:42 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: Yes.
May 28 19:24:50 <cehteh> 0:30,90 250:38,180 500:48,360 550:54,400 600:60,430 700:60,430 750:60,430
May 28 19:24:54 <RiD> kerio: Well, then it's something wrong with software
May 28 19:24:56 <cehteh> are iirc the default settings
May 28 19:25:01 <kerio> RiD: or with your hardware :)
May 28 19:25:01 <cehteh> (no warranty)
May 28 19:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: ok, thanks anyway
May 28 19:25:07 <kerio> RiD: can you reflash?
May 28 19:25:18 <cehteh> err even remove the 700 from that
May 28 19:25:19 <RiD> kerio: I can, but I didn't want to reflash yet, lol
May 28 19:25:33 <cehteh>  and 750
May 28 19:26:10 <RiD> Latest apps installed are: WiFiEye,recaller and Flashlight
May 28 19:26:27 <RiD> from those, I've used recaller and Flashlight 1 year ago (before flashing the phone)
May 28 19:26:33 <kerio> RiD: stupid question - have you tried to reboot?
May 28 19:26:45 <kerio> you could also remove the widget configuration, so you'd start with the default
May 28 19:26:55 <RiD> Oh heh
May 28 19:27:04 <RiD> kerio: damn, why didnt i thought of that first, lol
May 28 19:27:22 <RiD> kerio: and about reboots - more than 20x times already. My battery is getting r*ped
May 28 19:27:42 <RiD> also, ironically, the desktop started freezing when i did put some jessica alba wallapers on it :p
May 28 19:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> RiD: get rid (lol) of all your widgets. Then add them one per day and test
May 28 19:28:38 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: one per day?
May 28 19:28:46 <kerio> this is not an allergy
May 28 19:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> sure, testing one day seems fine
May 28 19:28:56 <RiD> Well
May 28 19:29:22 <RiD> as far as i remember, the phone uses to crash when i click on "Add Widgets"
May 28 19:29:39 <RiD> not every time, just after messing with it for 2, 3, 4 minutes
May 28 19:30:14 <RiD> It crashes completely, keeping the screen frozen
May 28 19:30:21 <RiD> I have to long-press the power button, lol
May 28 19:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> RiD: backup(-app), get rid of all widgets, test
May 28 19:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> also switch theme to standard
May 28 19:30:54 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: Theme is standard, except wallpapers. Will switch the wallpapers now
May 28 19:31:37 <DocScrutinizer> if that doesn't help, you do a full backup and try "reset to factory defaults" in settings menu
May 28 19:32:01 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: By the way, do you know the path where hildon-home stores the settings?
May 28 19:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> if it still crashes, you should reflash
May 28 19:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> not off top of my head
May 28 19:32:19 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: I knew it before, but just forgot it
May 28 19:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> I guess somewhere in ~/.*
May 28 19:33:00 <DocScrutinizer> some might be gconf crap though
May 28 19:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> probably a ls ~user/.<tab><tab> will help
May 28 19:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# find ~user -name '*hildon*'
May 28 19:36:15 <RiD> home.safe-set
May 28 19:36:18 <RiD> and home.conf
May 28 19:36:23 <RiD> on /etc/hildon-desktop
May 28 19:36:39 <RiD> should be that, I guess
May 28 19:36:46 <DocScrutinizer> possibly
May 28 19:38:16 <RiD> ok just switched the files (and made backup of both).
May 28 19:38:25 <RiD> killall hildon-home should re-load the file, right?
May 28 19:39:18 <kerio> wait, /etc?
May 28 19:39:28 <RiD> kerio: Yes, wrong path?
May 28 19:39:37 <kerio> did someone at nokia at least look at the *cover* of the LSB?
May 28 19:39:44 <kerio> or the FHS?
May 28 19:39:51 <kerio> i don't even
May 28 19:40:02 <DocScrutinizer> those /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins /etc/hildon-desktop/home.plugins look quite similar here
May 28 19:40:14 <RiD> hmm
May 28 19:41:12 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: evidently not, otherwise optification never seen the sun
May 28 19:41:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~optification
May 28 19:41:35 <infobot> i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3
May 28 19:42:18 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: home.plugins have leftovers of old widgets
May 28 19:42:48 <RiD> such as "repeatswtiched", "personal-gprs-mon", "swipecounter", "irwi" and "maxcpu"
May 28 19:43:05 <DocScrutinizer> that's been an arbitrarily picked file, dunno how it's related to widgets
May 28 19:43:16 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: the ones at /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop, lol
May 28 19:44:06 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I think you're close to it now
May 28 19:44:29 <RiD> DocScrutinizer: the one at /etc/hildon-desktop/ seems innocent, as it has the tutorial-home, ovi-promotion, google-search-widget and calendar-home-applet
May 28 19:44:44 <DocScrutinizer> same here
May 28 19:44:57 <RiD> Then i'll try copying the etc one to the .config
May 28 19:45:15 <RiD> wish best luck for me *a*
May 28 19:45:15 <DocScrutinizer> NB i have not the slightest idea if that's the correct file to look for
May 28 19:45:26 <RiD> If i screw over the stuff over again
May 28 19:45:34 <RiD> I'll consider reflashing, once again
May 28 19:45:46 <DocScrutinizer> RiD: I suggest you install backupmenu first
May 28 19:46:16 <RiD> Woah
May 28 19:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> quite a convenient way to recover from a bootloop
May 28 19:46:24 <RiD> I've switched the file and the default widgets have just loaded
May 28 19:46:32 <RiD> the ovi one, google on
May 28 19:46:33 <RiD> *one
May 28 19:46:33 <RiD> etc
May 28 19:46:52 <RiD> so it might be solved - or not.
May 28 19:47:12 <RiD> ill now try to mess with them to see if it crashes. Anyways, thanks for everyone being patient enough ^^
May 28 19:50:08 <RiD> meh, it just froze again
May 28 20:01:06 <RiD> lost my patience today, I'll try again tomorrow
May 28 20:01:22 <RiD> if not - then the reflash is my only option
May 28 21:21:07 <DocScrutinizer> why GPS sucks for some, and not for others / why GPS needs *some* SIM inserted to phone, to get a quick fix: http://www.quintillion.co.jp/3GPP/Specs/GSM_GERAN/0431-8i0.pdf  p.8 ""2.3 Assistance Data Delivery Procedure""
May 28 21:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> also:
May 28 21:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~rrlp
May 28 21:21:23 <infobot> somebody said rrlp was the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
May 28 21:22:25 <DocScrutinizer> err, ++ " / why GPS chip is connected to modem rather than main CPU"
May 28 21:22:43 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: because the nokia engineers were taking the piss?
May 28 21:23:13 <kerio> the n900 is not a phone, they should've stopped pretending it was one a long time ago
May 28 21:24:34 <Corsac> “they” being?
May 28 21:24:58 <Corsac> nokia always called it a “mobile computer”, remember
May 28 21:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> >>4.1 Measure Position Request
May 28 21:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> This component is used by the SMLC to request location measurements or a location estimate from the MS. It includes QoS, other instructions, and possible assistance data to the MS. This component is defined as follows:...<<
May 28 21:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> MS == mobile station == phone
May 28 21:26:13 <kerio> >phone
May 28 21:26:15 <kerio> >not a phone
May 28 21:26:20 <kerio> see
May 28 21:26:38 <SpeedEvil> Can the tower help the moile, even ifg it's not authenticted?
May 28 21:26:46 <SpeedEvil> Or is it authenticted SIMs only?
May 28 21:26:49 <DocScrutinizer> I guess yes
May 28 21:27:12 <DocScrutinizer> as you also can do 911 calls without auth
May 28 21:27:22 <vi___> hello
May 28 21:27:22 <SpeedEvil> Not in the UK.
May 28 21:27:28 <kerio> SpeedEvil: D:
May 28 21:27:29 <kerio> really?
May 28 21:27:33 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 28 21:27:47 <DocScrutinizer> everywhere, just they forbid it in some countries
May 28 21:27:53 <vi___> is it possible to uninstall the cssu camera ui?
May 28 21:28:19 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: ask MohammadAG
May 28 21:28:55 <MohammadAG> you can downgrade to an older version using apt-get install camera-ui=version
May 28 21:29:04 <MohammadAG> vi___, may I ask why?
May 28 21:35:01 <vi___> gtg
May 28 21:35:03 <vi___> bb
May 28 21:46:37 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: I guess "because the new one crashes"
May 28 21:47:39 <merlin1991> (a lot lately and I have no idea what changed)
May 28 21:49:53 <xd13> they should have made it a phone, its what I use it for and what i need
May 28 21:50:04 <xd13> called*
May 28 21:50:08 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, can you debug it?
May 28 21:50:45 <merlin1991> how?
May 28 21:51:17 <DocScrutinizer> gdb?
May 28 21:51:27 <merlin1991> does it have symbols?
May 28 21:51:32 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
May 28 21:51:43 <merlin1991> how do I prevent it from spawning when I open the lid
May 28 21:51:43 <MohammadAG> I have a camera-u-dbg package
May 28 21:51:47 <MohammadAG> ui*
May 28 21:51:54 <MohammadAG> if not, then that wasn't in the last update....
May 28 21:52:10 <MohammadAG> dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui
May 28 21:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> we shouldn't include..... err I've been told to stop this
May 28 21:53:04 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer :D
May 28 21:53:42 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: camer-ui was as non dbg in the update
May 28 21:54:17 <merlin1991> I'd happily create traces for you on crash, but I'll need the dbg package
May 28 21:54:33 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, apt-cache search camera-ui-dbg doesn't show anything?
May 28 21:54:36 * DocScrutinizer sits on his hands
May 28 21:54:41 <merlin1991> nothing
May 28 21:54:47 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, nothing we do for -testing, for -stable, I agree
May 28 21:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> (typing with my nose)
May 28 21:54:58 <MohammadAG> we can't distribute Nokia's binary anymore
May 28 21:55:13 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, got scratchbox?
May 28 21:55:23 <merlin1991> that pc's broken :/
May 28 21:55:28 <merlin1991> actually got a new mobo today
May 28 21:55:32 <MohammadAG> sec then
May 28 21:55:37 <merlin1991> but I'll get that @ some point  next week
May 28 21:55:56 <merlin1991> btw DocScrutinizer got the board for ~70€ in the end
May 28 21:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> nice
May 28 21:56:32 <merlin1991> reacted nowhere unless the pressure was high enough to bend the board
May 28 21:56:53 <DocScrutinizer> hell, another 5min and another day is gone without me doing anything useful
May 28 21:57:12 <javispedro> it's saturday
May 28 21:57:19 <javispedro> you don't do anything useful on a saturday.
May 28 21:57:25 <Gyjf> ^
May 28 21:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> no reason to forget about eating
May 28 21:57:28 <SpeedEvil> merlin1991: What oard?
May 28 21:57:33 <SpeedEvil> board.
May 28 21:57:40 <merlin1991> the motherboard of my dev notebook
May 28 21:58:12 <SpeedEvil> Oh.
May 28 21:58:18 * SpeedEvil stabs ebay.
May 28 21:58:34 <SpeedEvil> They changed the page format, so my sniper missed a motherboard for my notebook that went at 2.99
May 28 21:58:35 <DocScrutinizer> in less than 3 min it's sunday "What's wrong with SUNDAY? it's the LORD'S day!"
May 28 21:58:43 <SpeedEvil> Traci?
May 28 21:58:45 <DocScrutinizer> <FZ>
May 28 21:58:58 <Gyjf> sunday is the worst day of the weekend
May 28 21:59:13 <merlin1991> sleep in and be happy
May 28 21:59:21 * javispedro goes play portal
May 28 21:59:26 <SpeedEvil> On a fairly off-topic note - does anyone know of anything for X that will beep if I've typoed a word?
May 28 21:59:32 <merlin1991> javispedro: 1 or 2?
May 28 21:59:40 <DocScrutinizer> I bet Rance Muhammiz felt the same, Gyjf
May 28 21:59:50 <javispedro> merlin1991: not decided yet
May 28 22:00:05 <merlin1991> imo 1 is better
May 28 22:00:14 <Gyjf> cant say i know who that is doc
May 28 22:00:30 <javispedro> 1 is it :)
May 28 22:00:36 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: Frank Zappa - 200 Motels. In case I lost you
May 28 22:00:51 <Gyjf> aaah zappa
May 28 22:02:03 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: duh, definitely never heard about
May 28 22:02:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, on a scale of 1-10 on the sanity scale, what do you think of putting Qt 4.8 in the CSSU, if it's stable
May 28 22:02:32 <javispedro> -3000
May 28 22:02:37 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 28 22:02:42 <MohammadAG> I'll go for some negatives
May 28 22:03:04 <javispedro> either way
May 28 22:03:04 <vldcnst> buffer overflow
May 28 22:03:16 <javispedro> mohammadag is the one doing it
May 28 22:03:30 <javispedro> if he feels it should be ... progressive, so be it.
May 28 22:03:54 <javispedro> if we want a stable conservative cssu we should start it someday ;)
May 28 22:04:09 <DocScrutinizer> I feel we need a meeting to discuss how to deal with all these questions
May 28 22:04:29 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0-tp] > grep -r MAEMO_7 *
May 28 22:04:34 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0-tp] >
May 28 22:04:36 <MohammadAG> I expected that to return something :p
May 28 22:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> grep -r MAEMO *|sort|uniq  ;-)
May 28 22:05:54 <javispedro> Maemo 7 is Windows Phone 7
May 28 22:08:30 <lardman> night all
May 28 22:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> night lardman|gone
May 28 22:09:22 <MohammadAG> ICD is only available on maemo right?
May 28 22:09:34 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 28 22:09:55 <maemo_expert> ohai
May 28 22:10:01 <maemo_expert> what is maemo?
May 28 22:10:06 <DocScrutinizer> it's no publicly know FOSS pkg
May 28 22:10:20 <javispedro> including harmattan afaik
May 28 22:11:04 <maemo_expert> what is FOSS?
May 28 22:11:19 <DocScrutinizer> maemo_expert: one more...
May 28 22:11:21 <MohammadAG> it's one of those bots again
May 28 22:11:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, keep it a bit
May 28 22:11:55 <MohammadAG> This is a PNG
May 28 22:12:30 <MohammadAG> so it's not the guy from the conference, you can get it rid of it now
May 28 22:12:31 <MohammadAG> :P
May 28 22:12:49 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 28 22:12:58 <maemo_expert> guise, i just bought my android phone, is it possible to run maemo on it?
May 28 22:13:07 <maemo_expert> i mean, it's both linux, right?
May 28 22:13:19 <MohammadAG> no, you might want to have a look at meego
May 28 22:13:30 <javispedro> nah, maemo is gnu/linux, android is only linux.
May 28 22:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> not even that
May 28 22:13:42 <Px26> pretty much busybox, not gnu
May 28 22:13:54 <javispedro> glibc...
May 28 22:14:01 <Px26> well
May 28 22:14:13 <maemo_expert> glibc? i don't want thos gnome shit
May 28 22:14:17 <maemo_expert> i just want maemo
May 28 22:14:30 <DocScrutinizer> may I...?
May 28 22:14:35 <javispedro> "gnome shit"
May 28 22:14:37 <MohammadAG> ...
May 28 22:15:21 <maemo_expert> yeah, sorry my english is not that god
May 28 22:15:29 <MohammadAG> you don't realize maemo is largely hildon on the UI parts, and that's based on gtk right?
May 28 22:15:34 <maemo_expert> just wanted to say i dont like gnome
May 28 22:15:46 <maemo_expert> yes gtk is cool, but gnome sucks
May 28 22:16:00 <maemo_expert> because gnome is only good for ubuntu noobs
May 28 22:16:04 <MohammadAG> Last I checked gtk uses glib
May 28 22:16:29 <maemo_expert> yea, that sucks, glibc is only good for noobs, real hackers use dietlibc
May 28 22:16:35 <Px26> wtf
May 28 22:16:40 <javispedro> ??
May 28 22:16:53 <MohammadAG> get maemo working with that then, whatever it is
May 28 22:16:59 <MohammadAG> goodbye
May 28 22:17:08 <maemo_expert> yeah, working on it
May 28 22:17:35 <maemo_expert> problem is: there isn't a decent c lib out there
May 28 22:17:38 <javispedro> working on _what_
May 28 22:17:49 <DocScrutinizer> c'mon
May 28 22:17:49 <maemo_expert> porting gtk on dietlibc
May 28 22:18:22 <javispedro> you are confusing glib and glibc
May 28 22:18:42 <MohammadAG> javispedro, experts do that sometimes, apparently...
May 28 22:18:45 <maemo_expert> what's the difference?
May 28 22:18:47 <DocScrutinizer> can't, he's maemo_expert
May 28 22:19:15 <maemo_expert> yes i am
May 28 22:19:20 <javispedro> andi3, while we're at it, why don't voluntarily try #meego
May 28 22:19:24 <maemo_expert> i had a n900 for like 2 weeks in a row
May 28 22:19:48 <MohammadAG> Wow, that's impressive
May 28 22:19:48 <maemo_expert> so i'm pretty good with maemo
May 28 22:19:59 <maemo_expert> thanks
May 28 22:20:00 <MohammadAG> maemo_expert, why are you here again?
May 28 22:20:18 <maemo_expert> porting maemo to my new anroid phone
May 28 22:20:31 * javispedro should be playing portal
May 28 22:20:38 <MohammadAG> by the looks of it, you're just dissing maemo and it's dependencies
May 28 22:20:55 * SpeedEvil is playing portal on his n900.
May 28 22:20:58 <kerio> javispedro: the cake is a lie
May 28 22:21:03 <kerio> javispedro: also space
May 28 22:21:07 <kerio> and lemons
May 28 22:21:16 <maemo_expert> spoiler: glados kills wheatly
May 28 22:21:20 <javispedro> and potatos.
May 28 22:21:23 <Gyjf> dont spoil the game dude
May 28 22:21:34 <maemo_expert> oh sorry
May 28 22:21:43 <SpeedEvil> Snape kills Pikachu.
May 28 22:21:46 <kerio> javispedro: haha
May 28 22:21:53 <maemo_expert> that was portal 2 i was talking about btw
May 28 22:22:00 <maemo_expert> no i don't spoil portal
May 28 22:22:00 <kerio> and it's... wrong
May 28 22:22:03 <javispedro> trolling can stand, spoiling portal...
May 28 22:22:07 <Gyjf> you dont spoil a great game
May 28 22:22:22 <kerio> you don't spoil a great game *wrongly*
May 28 22:22:30 * ShadowJK ponders youube videos to scare people afraid of flying
May 28 22:22:32 <ShadowJK> suggestions?
May 28 22:22:33 <MohammadAG> kerio, careful, he might get it right
May 28 22:22:34 <kerio> glados doesn't kill wheatley
May 28 22:22:44 <MohammadAG> kerio, shush
May 28 22:22:45 <maemo_expert> what does she do then?
May 28 22:22:49 <kerio> what game did you play?
May 28 22:22:59 <maemo_expert> super mario
May 28 22:23:04 <MohammadAG> kicks you out of #maemo
May 28 22:23:05 <maemo_expert> pokemon (red)
May 28 22:23:06 <Gyjf> ey, seriously, let him play the game and see what happends
May 28 22:23:18 <ShadowJK> oh sorry, I walked into the middle of a troll session :s
May 28 22:23:27 <kerio> MohammadAG: he feels productive already!
May 28 22:23:44 <MohammadAG> incoming PM spam in 3, 2, 1
May 28 22:24:20 * kerio removes channel operator status from ChanServ
May 28 22:24:36 * MohammadAG give channel troll status to kerio 
May 28 22:24:37 <javispedro> i am too good for these people ;)
May 28 22:24:42 <MohammadAG> gives*, f me
May 28 22:25:07 * kerio fs MohammadAG 
May 28 22:25:13 <javispedro> now, be peaceful, all of this beeping and noise doesnt allow me to hear glados voice.
May 28 22:25:27 <kerio> javispedro: where are you?
May 28 22:25:37 <merlin1991> javispedro: glados wants to killl you
May 28 22:25:43 <merlin1991> javispedro: the cake is a lie!
May 28 22:25:46 <merlin1991> javispedro: BEEP
May 28 22:25:51 <MohammadAG> javispedro, coop is fun
May 28 22:25:52 <kerio> merlin1991: wrong game dude
May 28 22:26:04 <merlin1991> also kerio no right game
May 28 22:26:10 <merlin1991> he's playin portal
May 28 22:26:17 <Gyjf> 1 or 2?
May 28 22:26:18 <kerio> ooh, portal 1?
May 28 22:26:23 <Gyjf> both great games
May 28 22:26:23 <merlin1991> 1 I think
May 28 22:26:26 <kerio> haven't thought about that
May 28 22:26:32 <merlin1991> at least he said so a few lines above
May 28 22:26:38 <MohammadAG> 2, surely
May 28 22:27:11 <javispedro> the first, I beat the second already
May 28 22:27:16 <javispedro> well, not coop.
May 28 22:27:30 <kerio> javispedro: it'll probably be disappointing, story-wise
May 28 22:27:48 <kerio> but i prefer it to portal 2 wrt the actual game
May 28 22:28:21 <kerio> portal 2 is a bit consolized :(
May 28 22:28:54 <MohammadAG> Portal 2 is epic
May 28 22:29:27 <DocScrutinizer> we probably should have banned the IPv6
May 28 22:29:39 <Gyjf> why not?
May 28 22:30:01 <kerio> MohammadAG: it is!
May 28 22:30:07 <ShadowJK> Out of not knowing how to properly lay down a ban for IP6 addresses?
May 28 22:30:08 <kerio> p1 is just better as a game
May 28 22:30:10 <MohammadAG> kerio, consoles are epic
May 28 22:30:16 <kerio> twitchiness is cool
May 28 22:30:23 <kerio> MohammadAG: not really
May 28 22:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: just lazy
May 28 22:30:53 <DocScrutinizer> and hungry
May 28 22:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> and tired
May 28 22:30:57 <kerio> consoles would be epic if they didn't insist on making you use those weird things instead of mouse + keyboard
May 28 22:31:11 <ShadowJK> I thought that were their advantage :-)
May 28 22:31:27 <MohammadAG> kerio, UT3 supports a mouse and keyboard on the PS3, just sayin
May 28 22:31:39 <kerio> MohammadAG: i know
May 28 22:31:40 <merlin1991> I don't like portal 2 because the restrictive element in the puzzles is not the obstacle you have to overcome
May 28 22:31:45 <merlin1991> but the space where to put your portals
May 28 22:31:48 <Gyjf> mouse gives you a lot higher precision and keyboard lot more keys
May 28 22:31:54 <kerio> otoh, you have to play UT3
May 28 22:32:06 <ShadowJK> Those controllers with analog joystick are actually good enough approximations that you can give somoene a few months training to transfer them to controlling real life remote vehicles :-)
May 28 22:32:09 <merlin1991> imo portal 1 > portal 2
May 28 22:32:10 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, a console's advantage is that you buy a game for it, rather than upgrade hardware then buy the games
May 28 22:32:17 <ShadowJK> MohammadAG, yes indeed
May 28 22:32:27 <kerio> you mean "buy" the games
May 28 22:32:42 <kerio> moh
May 28 22:32:43 <kerio> er
May 28 22:32:48 <MohammadAG> kerio, I'm on official firmware, don't pirate shit
May 28 22:33:03 <MohammadAG> I admit, I pirated Portal 2 till it came out here, which was in mid may
May 28 22:33:07 <kerio> MohammadAG: i was talking about the pc
May 28 22:33:22 <ShadowJK> MohammadAG, on PC you upgrade, "wtf?", upgrade, "wtf?", spend 5000 on the beefiest PC you can find, "wtf?", it's a quest, bigger than any in-game quest, for fps, and you always lose.
May 28 22:33:24 <kerio> and mouse+kbd >>>>>>> analog sticks
May 28 22:33:43 <kerio> ShadowJK: especially when playing minecraft
May 28 22:33:49 <ShadowJK> lol
May 28 22:33:51 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, my laptops runs games better than my desktop
May 28 22:33:54 <kerio> although optifog is incredible for that
May 28 22:34:20 <kerio> MohammadAG: in UT3 they separate players based on control method
May 28 22:34:45 <kerio> because someone playing with mouse and keyboard will *obliterate* someone with a controller
May 28 22:34:50 <ShadowJK> Once you get decent fps in GTAV or whatever you've already had an electrian install a high-power circuit to power your monster dual graphics cards
May 28 22:35:06 <kerio> ShadowJK: why only two?
May 28 22:35:12 <ShadowJK> :P
May 28 22:35:22 <MohammadAG> kerio, you can play Killzone 3 with the playstation move
May 28 22:35:25 <ShadowJK> I don't know of any motherboard with 3 x 16 PCI-e lanes :P
May 28 22:35:33 <kerio> you want at least three for every one of your 6 monitors
May 28 22:35:37 <MohammadAG> I tried that once, online, it shoved me into a game with people using the normal controller
May 28 22:35:40 <MohammadAG> I didn't get one kill
May 28 22:35:48 <ShadowJK> For sure, in games where you have (near-)infinite agility a mouse is superior
May 28 22:36:07 <kerio> ShadowJK: your mouse is your agility!
May 28 22:36:17 <ShadowJK> kerio, that's what I call infinite
May 28 22:36:19 <MohammadAG> kerio, I could pwn someone on CoD with a controller
May 28 22:36:32 <MohammadAG> find me a way to play with him with a mouse and keyboard
May 28 22:36:39 <kerio> the only way to make stuff equal is to lower everyone to the lowest common denominator
May 28 22:36:52 * ShadowJK mostly plays flight sims where accuracy is king
May 28 22:36:53 <kerio> which is the controller with dual analogs
May 28 22:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: multi-PC setup is the hype
May 28 22:37:08 <kerio> MohammadAG: [citation needed]
May 28 22:37:22 <MohammadAG> kerio, ha
May 28 22:37:27 <kerio> MohammadAG: you can play with a controller on the pc
May 28 22:37:32 <Gyjf> when they tried to make crossplatform fps the pcs were so supperior to the controller that they just abandoned that prjoect
May 28 22:37:32 <ShadowJK> first person shooter is kinda strange in that you can turn around as fast as you can move the controller
May 28 22:37:38 <MohammadAG> kerio, challenge accepted, game?
May 28 22:38:10 <kerio> MohammadAG: i'm in bed, and the only game my laptop can play reliably is sauerbraten/redeclipse
May 28 22:38:26 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: there are dudes that have a complete cockpit plus 7 PC and projectors in their cellar - and their wife has to wear stuardess clothing
May 28 22:38:30 <kerio> and i'm also out of batteries for my mouse :<
May 28 22:38:53 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: why 7 PCs?
May 28 22:39:07 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: hahaahahahaa!!
May 28 22:39:13 <Gyjf> i would have played you, but i have no legit games sry
May 28 22:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> as one PC can't handle the 7 projectors
May 28 22:39:31 <kerio> hd projectors?
May 28 22:39:32 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: why not?
May 28 22:39:34 <MohammadAG> kerio, weak
May 28 22:39:39 <Macer> :)
May 28 22:39:51 <kerio> MohammadAG: also i'm not really a fan of realistic shooters
May 28 22:40:10 <cehteh> whats realistic there?
May 28 22:40:15 <kerio> MohammadAG: try red eclipse, it's opensource, fun, and really really fast
May 28 22:40:19 <kerio> cehteh: CoD
May 28 22:40:28 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, luckily I gave up PC flight sim due to the ever race to keep up with graphics cards, before I became one of those
May 28 22:40:30 <Macer> what is red eclipse?
May 28 22:40:36 <ShadowJK> now I'm progressing into RC nerd :/
May 28 22:40:43 <MohammadAG> CoD is far from realistic imo
May 28 22:40:45 <cehteh> mouse with recoil? shoots which really hurt? no respawn?
May 28 22:41:07 <kerio> cehteh: regenerating health, slow movement speed, realistic environment
May 28 22:41:15 <Macer> ShadowJK: does ms still make a flight simulator?
May 28 22:41:19 <ShadowJK> Those RC Helicopter pilots are amazing. It's like they have infinite agility, AND infinite precision at their disposal simultaneously :-)
May 28 22:41:22 <ShadowJK> Macer, I think so
May 28 22:41:23 <kerio> the "realistic" was in massive quotes
May 28 22:41:32 <cehteh> i never played CoD ... tremolous and sauerbraten sometimes
May 28 22:41:33 <ShadowJK> Macer, in any case, whether they do or not, people would still be flying it
May 28 22:41:44 * ShadowJK remembers people were flying MSFSIM 95 in 2005
May 28 22:41:44 <kerio> tremlous
May 28 22:41:46 <kerio> er
May 28 22:41:47 <cehteh> both are rather fictional/comical
May 28 22:41:58 <kerio> tremulous is based on Q3, right?
May 28 22:42:03 <kerio> same as urban terror
May 28 22:42:04 <cehteh> yes
May 28 22:42:06 <Macer> ShadowJK: haha
May 28 22:42:07 <ShadowJK> (even though 98 was as much of an improvement as Windows 98 over Windows 95)
May 28 22:42:27 <merlin1991> IL2 > msfsim
May 28 22:42:35 <Gyjf> 95... nostalgia
May 28 22:42:44 <Gyjf> win95 was actually my first os
May 28 22:42:46 <kerio> cehteh: red eclipse is sauerbraten with more movement
May 28 22:42:50 <MohammadAG> besides GAN and crashandd-ie, who has a PS3 here?
May 28 22:42:54 <kerio> and a bit more modes and maps
May 28 22:42:54 <DocScrutinizer> sauebraten ROOAAAAR
May 28 22:43:10 <Macer> i have never heard of any of these games
May 28 22:43:22 <ShadowJK> I recently-ish flew msfsim latest or whatever, and the planes still felt like they had half the mass of a real one, half the atmosphere of real, and half the response of real
May 28 22:43:23 <MohammadAG> me neither
May 28 22:43:52 * ShadowJK would call Kickstart 1.2 & Workbench 1.3 his first os
May 28 22:44:10 * kerio flew google earth's flight sim once
May 28 22:44:18 <ShadowJK> it's fake :)
May 28 22:44:28 <kerio> i crashed on St. Peter's cathedral
May 28 22:44:45 <MohammadAG> kerio, what date?
May 28 22:44:49 <kerio> felt good
May 28 22:44:56 <kerio> date?
May 28 22:44:58 <ShadowJK> I hope I'll one day have enough cash to get a real helicopter license :(
May 28 22:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> meh, WB1.3 been a nice improvement
May 28 22:45:00 <Gyjf> i bet st peter was pissed
May 28 22:45:13 <DocScrutinizer> even got a ROM for it
May 28 22:45:28 <ShadowJK> Or atleast, I want to be in a helicopter doing emergency landing after complete engine failure :)
May 28 22:45:43 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, iirc ROM for 1.2 and 1.3 was same, it was only the non-ROM OS that changed
May 28 22:45:51 <cehteh> ShadowJK: famous last words :P
May 28 22:45:55 <DocScrutinizer> while previously I was happy with booting from kickstart disk and WB disk
May 28 22:46:07 <ShadowJK> cehteh, hey I can do it in flightgear! :)
May 28 22:46:23 <ShadowJK> oh, Amiga 1000 :)
May 28 22:46:26 <cehteh> yes but in reality people are not always as lucky
May 28 22:46:26 <kerio> cehteh: no srsly try red eclipse
May 28 22:46:27 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 28 22:46:28 <ShadowJK> didn't have ROM
May 28 22:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> the best
May 28 22:47:00 <ShadowJK> my Amiga no longer boots :(
May 28 22:47:07 <ShadowJK> I tried in 2007, yellow screen :(
May 28 22:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> mine are gone
May 28 22:48:08 <ShadowJK> cehteh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOJSo6_F6mE :) From the momeny the warning siren sounds at 0:36, the engine is shutdown and not providing any power at all :)
May 28 22:48:12 <ShadowJK> moment*
May 28 22:49:36 <DocScrutinizer> flying heli is fun
May 28 22:50:02 <DocScrutinizer> though sometimes the rotor could use balancing
May 28 22:50:23 <DocScrutinizer> quite a shaky experience otherwise
May 28 22:50:35 <ShadowJK> I bought a precision scale for balancing my model heli's blades. The scale works much much better after I realized the lid was on.
May 28 22:50:38 <ShadowJK> :P
May 28 22:50:49 <cehteh> ShadowJK: nice skidding on the ground .. had they wheels?
May 28 22:51:12 <ShadowJK> cehteh, usual skids
May 28 22:51:32 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: the one I sat in wasn't balanced
May 28 22:51:52 <ShadowJK> Skids actually have this wearable surface on them that you can skid on, and change if you wear it out excessively
May 28 22:52:01 <DocScrutinizer> well, massage for free ;-P
May 28 22:52:15 <ShadowJK> You can even slide down asphalt
May 28 22:52:45 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: :)
May 28 22:52:58 <SpeedEvil> Many planes also have skid-blocks.
May 28 22:53:27 <SpeedEvil> On the tail - so that if they bump the tail on the way up, it wears the block, not the structure.
May 28 22:53:34 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Eeek - water.
May 28 22:53:43 <DocScrutinizer> was about to write exactly that
May 28 22:53:44 <ShadowJK> Yeah, water everywhere :)
May 28 22:53:55 <SpeedEvil> Nice flare.
May 28 22:53:59 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 28 22:54:32 * SpeedEvil ponders helicopter-IVI
May 28 22:54:47 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 28 22:55:06 <ShadowJK> To be fair, an autorotating helicopter has about the same glide ratio as the space shuttle.. However, a heli usually lands at lower speed and shorter distance than the space shuttle :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phaWRjAVnes
May 28 22:55:12 <DocScrutinizer> will make yiu sick when the thing shakes like mad
May 28 22:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> btw there's that geek that built that famous spaceshuttle sim freeware
May 28 22:57:08 <ShadowJK> orbitersim?
May 28 22:57:10 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, may I ask how a SIM toolkit works?
May 28 22:57:12 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 28 22:57:27 <MohammadAG> (directly interfacing with modem?)
May 28 22:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I'm not entirely sure
May 28 22:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 28 22:58:04 <ShadowJK> I would imagine, that STK defines a virtual machine, and that the SIM card contains code in that VM language for the handset to execute
May 28 22:58:05 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's some sort of java running either *inside* the sim, or on the modem processor
May 28 22:58:23 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vICf8l-KV0&feature=related (@40s or so)
May 28 22:59:21 <ShadowJK> Orbitersim has superb spaceflight simulation, in precision of orbital mechanics it goes beyond anything else I've ever seen, and it even pays great amount of attention to get the details regarding a spacecraft's own rotation around its own axis right...
May 28 22:59:56 <ShadowJK> But when it comes to atmospheric flight, orbitersim is, well, worse or equal to one-man one-month flightsim projects :)
May 28 23:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> a friend of mine probably still flying to saturn in realtime ;-P
May 28 23:00:26 <ShadowJK> I flew to moon in realtime in orbitersim :P
May 28 23:01:13 <ShadowJK> My lunar orbit insertion calculation was wrong, and I wasn't at computer, so I missed the moon and didn't have enough fuel to go back :(
May 28 23:01:25 <Gyjf> if you get there, be sure to get some moonrock back home
May 28 23:01:32 <Gyjf> its worth a crapload of money
May 28 23:01:55 <Gyjf> like, 1.7mil$ for a rock
May 28 23:02:08 <ShadowJK> simulator rocks aren't worth what real life rocks are
May 28 23:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> I heard there's a shitload of He3 on moon
May 28 23:02:31 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, wow, looks almost like a model heli at that point :)
May 28 23:02:34 <Gyjf> He3 is hard to transport
May 28 23:02:47 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, yeah well, He3 is a bit like cold fusion isn't it..
May 28 23:04:11 * DocScrutinizer waves... Paramedics came to separate chair from his ass
May 28 23:04:51 <ShadowJK> Or rather, it depends on fusion :)
May 28 23:29:51 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd3dTmotGwc&NR=1 - fun.
May 28 23:30:05 <SpeedEvil> (mono tiltrotor)
May 28 23:31:06 <ShadowJK> what
May 28 23:31:08 <ShadowJK> that's like a...
May 28 23:32:05 <ShadowJK> Damn, i forget the words. The opposite of a bo105?
May 28 23:32:19 <ShadowJK> Oh, coaxial..
May 28 23:32:37 <ShadowJK> .. dynamic stabilizers
May 28 23:34:38 <SpeedEvil> It's like a V22, but with none of the active shizzle.
May 28 23:52:19 <Gyjf> anyone updated to aircrack-ng 1.1?
May 28 23:54:30 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, "active shizzle"?
May 28 23:55:04 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, are you suggesting the wing is passive? :-)
May 28 23:55:16 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: pending
May 28 23:56:09 <Gyjf> i just updated it and its not working anymore
May 28 23:56:31 <Gyjf> "command not found" style
May 28 23:56:40 <Gyjf> yes, im root
May 28 23:57:22 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, does V22 have cyclic control on the rotors btw?
May 28 23:58:27 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWpryAs1M8&NR=1
May 28 23:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: good to know
May 28 23:58:52 <ShadowJK> As a sim-fullsize-heli sim-fullsize-airplane, sim-rc-heli, sim-rc-plane, rl-rc-heli pilot I'd imagine the best way to do V22 would be to have computers implement tilt wing as extension of cyclic response :)
May 28 23:59:11 <Gyjf> so i gotta uninstall it and reinstall 1.0?
May 28 23:59:43 <ShadowJK> But then I'm biased and imagine they'd want to make it into an airplane as soon as possible, ignoring the fact that a heli in forward flight acts mostly like a (poorly trimmed) airplane
May 28 23:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> lemme check what I got (not that I've tested lately)
May 28 23:59:57 <ShadowJK> and paycuts for people flying "just an airplane"
May 29 00:00:37 <Gyjf> also, if you use aircrack much i would suggest uing wifite.py for automation
May 29 00:00:45 <Gyjf> works greeat
May 29 00:00:48 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, "hiller" suggests he wanted self-stabilization...
May 29 00:00:49 <Gyjf> *great
May 29 00:01:15 <ShadowJK> stabilization as in attitude stabilization, not "horizontal translation stabilization" :)
May 29 00:01:17 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache policy aircrack-ng
May 29 00:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> aircrack-ng:
May 29 00:01:20 <DocScrutinizer>   Installed: 1.0-3
May 29 00:01:22 <DocScrutinizer>   Candidate: 1.1-maemo4
May 29 00:01:41 <Gyjf> and the "reboot" command isnt working... it just powers it off
May 29 00:05:08 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf:
May 29 00:05:10 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# dpkg -L aircrack-ng|pastebinit -
May 29 00:05:12 <DocScrutinizer> http://pastebin.com/5PKGrE3T
May 29 00:05:15 <ShadowJK> reboot/shutdown/half is best issued through dsme
May 29 00:05:20 <ShadowJK> halt*
May 29 00:05:44 <DocScrutinizer> initctl
May 29 00:06:03 <Gyjf> im uninstalling it now
May 29 00:06:18 <DocScrutinizer> I'm tempted to try a `start reboot`
May 29 00:06:34 <ShadowJK> heh :)
May 29 00:06:56 * ShadowJK should get his second N900 into use to try crazy crap people do
May 29 00:07:00 <Gyjf> windows style?
May 29 00:07:19 <ShadowJK> It has the Nokia Care screen protector, I need to get a proper one :)
May 29 00:07:28 <DocScrutinizer> initctl list|grep boot
May 29 00:08:29 <Gyjf> reinstalling 1.1
May 29 00:08:34 <DocScrutinizer> initctl list|grep shut
May 29 00:11:20 * DocScrutinizer muses over `initctl events`
May 29 00:12:26 <cehteh> mhm .. my selfbuild case finally got a crack .. now i ordered a otterbox
May 29 00:13:16 <cehteh> i guess thats among the best protection one can get
May 29 00:13:32 <lolcat> cehteh: You bult a case for the N900?
May 29 00:13:33 <cehteh> except maybe the metal case dangergrrl showed some days ago
May 29 00:13:44 <DocScrutinizer> metal case????
May 29 00:14:06 <lolcat> cehteh: THat was an awesome case, if I had a N900 Id get one
May 29 00:14:10 <cehteh> lolcat: yes vacuum molded ABS and neoprene
May 29 00:14:23 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: I could check my logs, but you are just obliviant towards me
May 29 00:14:30 <cehteh> survied quite well :)
May 29 00:14:43 <DocScrutinizer> with a battery of RG55 for connecting external antennae?
May 29 00:15:46 <DocScrutinizer> lolcat: wut?
May 29 00:16:09 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: Oblivious?
May 29 00:17:25 * DocScrutinizer considers to put lolcat on the /ignore list again, for the single purpose not to have to deal with this guy's riddles
May 29 00:17:45 <Gyjf> so, the programs seem to be in place at /usr/local/bin
May 29 00:17:54 <Gyjf> but not the lns
May 29 00:17:55 <lolcat> Oh, I am not ignored anymore?
May 29 00:17:56 <cehteh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tRBEKAEWBI
May 29 00:18:54 <cehteh> http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000787&products_id=27477
May 29 00:19:12 <Gyjf> so do i have to symlink all of the programs manually?
May 29 00:19:23 <cehteh> mhm i wonder how well gps and cell radio work in a metal case :P
May 29 00:19:37 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: additional metal case for RF equipment usually isn't playing nice with the purpose of actually using the device
May 29 00:19:54 <cehteh> hehe
May 29 00:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: ln? to /usr/local? why not fix your root's $PATH?
May 29 00:21:30 <cehteh> i think the otterbox is really good, never heared bad about their equipment
May 29 00:22:14 <cehteh> and 17Eur or so makes it affordable too
May 29 00:22:14 <Gyjf> how do i do that?
May 29 00:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> still wondering what that "I could check my logs, but you are just obliviant towards me" meant. Darn this is annoying
May 29 00:24:27 * DocScrutinizer tries to `killall lolcat` on his wetware processor
May 29 00:24:37 <ShadowJK> It means "I could check my logs, but you dont give a fuck about what happens to me"
May 29 00:25:03 <ShadowJK> Meaning. "I could check my logs, but you just told me to check my logs to get rid of me"
May 29 00:25:07 <DocScrutinizer> not an angstrom better
May 29 00:25:43 <ShadowJK> meaning. "People X tell me to do Y people Z tell my to talk to X"
May 29 00:26:01 <DocScrutinizer> I didn't tell *anything* to lolcat
May 29 00:26:31 <DocScrutinizer> so why t f I got this load on my brain processing time now?
May 29 00:29:46 <ShadowJK> lol dunno
May 29 00:29:55 <DocScrutinizer> or did I tell you anything I forgot about, lolcat ?
May 29 00:30:31 <DocScrutinizer> if that's the case then your comment wasn't really helping and you should've known it isn't
May 29 00:32:53 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I'd imagine it must use cyclics. For the simple reason that the rotors have way too much inertia to differentially throttle - that works on quadrotors. With fullsize props, you'd get torque effects.
May 29 00:33:14 <ShadowJK> Yeah..
May 29 00:35:08 <DocScrutinizer> Gyjf: how to fix $PATH? simply edit your ~/.profile
May 29 00:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> or .bashrc, whatever you prefer
May 29 00:36:22 <DocScrutinizer> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
May 29 00:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> export PATH
May 29 00:38:29 <DocScrutinizer> take care, usually you don't want . (cwd) in your root's $PATH
May 29 00:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> also NB this takes efect when using "root", but NOT when using "sudo gainroot"
May 29 00:43:12 <merlin1991> I still don't know what's the difference between sudo gainroot and root
May 29 00:43:16 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: mind to enlighten me?
May 29 00:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> I love to...
May 29 00:43:40 <MohammadAG> one sets environmental variables, the other doesn't
May 29 00:43:49 <MohammadAG> dbusdispatcher.cpp: In member function 'void Maemo::DBusDispatcher::setupDBus()':
May 29 00:43:49 <MohammadAG> dbusdispatcher.cpp:474: error: 'g_main_context_get_thread_default' was not declared in this scope
May 29 00:43:59 <MohammadAG> glib.h is included, any suggestions?
May 29 00:44:04 <DocScrutinizer> sudo gainroot; date; id; uptime; exit
May 29 00:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> is the short form for
May 29 00:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> sudo date; sudo id; sudo uptime
May 29 00:44:43 <DocScrutinizer> while "root" is another way to say "su -"
May 29 00:45:02 <DocScrutinizer> root will change your whole environment
May 29 00:45:28 <DocScrutinizer> while sudo gainroot just raises your permissions but your environment is that of user still
May 29 00:45:38 <Gyjf> i will do this in the morning
May 29 00:45:57 <Gyjf> clock is almost 3
May 29 00:46:18 <merlin1991> sudo gainroot does change my path though
May 29 00:46:33 <MohammadAG> nope, it shouldn't
May 29 00:46:36 <Gyjf> or you can just ssh in as root :P
May 29 00:46:37 <MohammadAG> (it doesn't here)
May 29 00:46:52 <merlin1991> after sudo gainroot  Ihave /sbin and /usr/sbin appended to path
May 29 00:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: you'll see the effect on "cd" or "ls -l ~/"
May 29 00:47:40 <Gyjf> night
May 29 00:48:16 <MohammadAG> meh, can't think, night
May 29 00:48:17 <merlin1991> had  a look at the gainroot script
May 29 00:48:23 <merlin1991> it actually does append the stuff to path
May 29 00:48:30 <DocScrutinizer> haha
May 29 00:48:46 <merlin1991> and has an option to use --use-su
May 29 00:48:55 <merlin1991> wich does su - in the end
May 29 00:49:11 <DocScrutinizer> that's what "root" does iirc
May 29 00:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> messybox nonsense :-S
May 29 00:49:45 <merlin1991> yep just found that
May 29 00:49:54 <merlin1991> root does indeed
May 29 00:49:58 <merlin1991> exec sudo gainroot --use-su
May 29 00:50:02 <merlin1991> wtf messystyle
May 29 00:50:50 <DocScrutinizer> if there'd be a proper su, you wouldn't need all that cruft
May 29 00:54:33 <DocScrutinizer> some 18 months ago I thought this is maemo idiocy, but actually it's all busybox
May 29 00:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox
May 29 00:55:44 <DocScrutinizer> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 355592 2010-03-12 09:54 /bin/busybox
May 29 00:56:27 <DocScrutinizer> so how's that supposed to work, without busybox set SUID? exactly, it doesn't without tricks
May 29 00:57:34 <DocScrutinizer> and you bet no sane maintainer or devel would consider chmod u+s busybox ;-P
May 29 00:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> so you have to call   -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 2009-04-17 10:50 /usr/bin/sudo   to the rescue
May 29 00:59:50 <DocScrutinizer> which is what gainroot and root do
May 29 01:01:22 <merlin1991> thx :)
May 29 01:01:30 <DocScrutinizer> yw, a pleasure
May 29 01:01:36 <merlin1991> but now it's time for me to catch some sleep (you should too ;D)
May 29 01:01:50 <merlin1991> or do you operate entirely on coffee and thin air?
May 29 01:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
May 29 01:04:25 <DocScrutinizer> that korean guy fell dead off his chair after 4 days of constant gaming. I'm planning to beat this by at least factor 100 ;-P
May 29 01:06:15 <DocScrutinizer> (I'm cheating though)
May 29 01:06:18 <Choom> you're gonna fall off your chair in less than an hour?
May 29 01:06:39 <DocScrutinizer> don't think so XD
May 29 01:27:55 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, if you've ever seen koreans playing starcraft, you'd know that it's futile to achieve their performance by simply staying awake...
May 29 01:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I'd not even want to compete on that level
May 29 01:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> the trick is to cheat smartly ;)
May 29 01:30:10 <ShadowJK> Nah
May 29 01:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> look at the US president's bodyguards - they are on duty 24/7
May 29 01:31:33 <DocScrutinizer> anyway sleep is overreated
May 29 01:31:38 <ShadowJK> But 3 - 5 different set of bodyguards
May 29 01:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> not really
May 29 01:32:18 <ShadowJK> Watching korean PROs play SC is like startrek tng, Data doing stuff
May 29 01:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> they take a 5min nap while driving from oval office to the helicopter, then another 10 min in the heli
May 29 01:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> while the president is sleeping, they're awake
May 29 01:35:05 <DocScrutinizer> When my dad built Data, he only practiced ;-D
May 29 01:36:06 <ShadowJK> Like, watching those replays, I can almost..... 300 actions per minute... 5 (FIVE!) clicks per second... I can ALMOST follow them... And I might be able to do shit as fast... BUT, they start out IMPLEMENTING a plan, they REACT to the opponent's moves, they formulate MEW strategy on the fly... It's just fucking unbelievable any human brain can work that fast
May 29 01:36:34 <ShadowJK> actually, the unbelievable part is that they can absorb the information
May 29 01:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> smart filtering and a good neuronal network to do the associative pattern matching... Nothing spectacular
May 29 01:37:48 <Choom> the human brain is capable of quite a lot of stuff provided it's trained to react to it
May 29 01:37:56 <DocScrutinizer> I've given up on this as it's boring
May 29 01:37:56 <Choom> you don't have to think about typing either
May 29 01:38:22 <Choom> at least I don't, I think about the words and my fingers do the rest by themselves
May 29 01:39:36 <ShadowJK> When you look at them, they're shifting focus of attention at like 30hz
May 29 01:39:37 <dangergrrl> darn i don't even remember finding a metal case iĺl have to search my logfiles for it
May 29 01:39:42 <dangergrrl> lol
May 29 01:39:53 <DocScrutinizer> like driving a car (something that's still fun to me), you're lost if you want to *think* what to do next
May 29 01:40:10 <ShadowJK> Which is so high, that they actually prefer CRT over LCD, because LCD/TFT is too slow to display clean frames :-)
May 29 01:42:21 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I start to sypathise with those guys
May 29 01:43:47 <DocScrutinizer> more often than not I spot problems/bugs in programs by subtle changes in timing of the reaction
May 29 01:44:32 <ShadowJK> There was this famous incident in where one guy lost mostly because of a 1-bit transmission error :P
May 29 01:47:04 <ShadowJK> They have one guy practicing against an opponen controlled by 2 humans :-)
May 29 01:47:09 <DocScrutinizer> MSB or LSB ? ;-D
May 29 01:47:36 <ShadowJK> dunno :)
May 29 01:47:59 <ShadowJK> a 16x16 area of the map became penetrable where it previous had not been
May 29 01:48:03 <DocScrutinizer> one wrong bit is what causes segfaults and buserrors
May 29 01:48:45 <DocScrutinizer> ...or holes in the wall were none are expected :-D
May 29 01:49:11 * DocScrutinizer goes fixing another bit in the matrix
May 29 01:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> YEEHA
May 29 01:50:00 <DocScrutinizer> "there is no spoon"
May 29 01:56:54 <cehteh> dangergrrl: wasnt that you?
May 29 01:57:17 <cehteh> someone here posted it, thought it was you
May 29 02:08:10 <SpeedEvil> On an unrelated matter to spoons. Does anyone know if bluetooth devices - unpaired - can be reliably IDd?
May 29 02:08:18 <SpeedEvil> Or is it simple to spoof the address.
May 29 02:08:40 <SpeedEvil> I'm wondering if I can use a bluetooth device as a 'key'
May 29 02:09:12 <SpeedEvil> On reflection, it seems unlikely, as it'd need to do a key exchange, rather than just broadcast the MAC
May 29 02:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> umm, given the fact you must have some sort of flash on a BT dongle...
May 29 02:10:58 <SpeedEvil> I was meaning a pair of BT headphones.
May 29 02:11:09 <DocScrutinizer> no diff
May 29 02:11:23 <SpeedEvil> I'm not asking can they - the common CSR chips are quite flexile enough to - it's will they.
May 29 02:11:29 <SpeedEvil> And I suspect the answer is no.
May 29 02:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> the mask part of the chip is always the same
May 29 02:11:41 * SpeedEvil wishes CSR stuff was more dev-friendly.
May 29 02:11:50 <ShadowJK> I have a bunch of bluetooth dongles all identifying as 11:11:11:11...
May 29 02:11:51 <SpeedEvil> A surprising amount of stuff is flash.
May 29 02:12:50 <DocScrutinizer> so whatever your BT headphones say their "name" is... yes I'll spoof it
May 29 02:13:10 <SpeedEvil> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=BC41C671A-IPK-E4CT-ND
May 29 02:13:33 <SpeedEvil> For example
May 29 02:13:47 <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly, the dev environment is decidedly unfree (in both senses)
May 29 02:14:53 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
May 29 02:15:25 <DocScrutinizer> there's no such thing like an unspoofable MAC. BT pairing OTOH is considered safe afaik
May 29 02:16:02 <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly you can't pair to multiple devices or that'd be a good solution.
May 29 02:16:18 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, a rare feature
May 29 02:17:08 <DocScrutinizer> there are "networks" of (iirc) up to 8 devices
May 29 02:17:12 <merlin1991> So doc, how do you cheat to avoid sleep?
May 29 02:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sleeptyping
May 29 02:17:29 <ShadowJK> Caffeine pills?
May 29 02:17:33 <ShadowJK> red bull?
May 29 02:17:39 <ShadowJK> Red bull heli? :D
May 29 02:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> I got a good cpufreq governor
May 29 02:18:20 <merlin1991> Sleeptyping, hell I gotta learn how todo that
May 29 02:18:30 <ShadowJK> Actually you only need to be awake 5 minutes every 60-120 minutes to create the illusion of being awake
May 29 02:18:43 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 29 02:18:53 <merlin1991> No honestly you seem to be awake 24/7
May 29 02:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> see? it works :-)
May 29 02:19:47 <SpeedEvil> 95% of DocScrutinizer is simply a reprogrammed 'clippy'.
May 29 02:20:02 <ds3> ShadowJK: any research to justify that duty cycle?
May 29 02:20:06 * merlin1991 wonders what doc does for a living and how that works out with his irc activity
May 29 02:20:27 <ShadowJK> ds3, not really :-)
May 29 02:20:30 <ds3> prehaps from the ATC industry ;)
May 29 02:21:00 <ShadowJK> ds3, just 10.. wait, is it 2011 already? 12 years of IRC experience :-)
May 29 02:21:05 <DocScrutinizer> <yawn> did I miss anything?
May 29 02:22:22 <dangergrrl> cehteh: i don't remember it does not mean it was not me;  it is entirely possible if i look in my browser history i have such a case sometimes my love for beer gets the best of me and i forget things :)
May 29 02:22:57 <ShadowJK> Anything you do in a browser is ignored/forgotten/forgiven on IRC
May 29 02:22:59 <ShadowJK> surely?
May 29 02:23:00 <DocScrutinizer51> DocScrutinizer: not really, you can take another nap
May 29 02:23:26 * merlin1991 starts to get docs cheat
May 29 02:23:32 <ShadowJK> Dude don't reply to yourself, It's pyscho.
May 29 02:23:47 <merlin1991> One doc is a general complaining raging bot
May 29 02:23:54 <merlin1991> And the other one is real
May 29 02:24:08 <merlin1991> Using doc #1 as a relay from time to time
May 29 02:24:15 <DocScrutinizer51> lol, and who's who?
May 29 02:24:21 <merlin1991> To make doc #1 apear human too
May 29 02:24:55 <merlin1991> How's that test for chatbots called?
May 29 02:25:08 <DocScrutinizer51> turing?
May 29 02:26:19 <merlin1991> I thin that one was it
May 29 02:26:20 <ghostnik11> hi wanted to know whats up with new meego, will we see any device in usa with new meego os and also will there be a new n900 or a phone that is similar to n900 with better specs?
May 29 02:27:11 * merlin1991 starts the masterplan to unvail the doc bot
May 29 02:27:28 <SpeedEvil> There will be a new meego device from nokia this year - they have confirmed.
May 29 02:27:32 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: who's your maker?
May 29 02:27:37 <SpeedEvil> Anything further is quite questionable.
May 29 02:27:42 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer51: who's your maker?
May 29 02:27:51 <DocScrutinizer51> merlin1991: DocScrutinizer51 is my maker
May 29 02:27:57 <merlin1991> now if one says doc we know it ;)
May 29 02:28:12 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: DocScrutinizer is my maker
May 29 02:28:16 <merlin1991> Lmao
May 29 02:28:54 * merlin1991 is done with the op action, night #maemo
May 29 02:29:03 <merlin1991> S/op/ot/
May 29 02:29:32 <ghostnik11> speedevil: okay cool, hope they put usa 3g and 4g bands in it and allow it to run on tmobile network
May 29 02:30:10 <SpeedEvil> ghostnik11: No clue - sorry.
May 29 02:30:48 <SpeedEvil> ghostnik11: I have heard from sources that should know that the hardware has been in existance as usable prototypes for 9 months. Which puts limits on what chips it might have.
May 29 02:30:58 <ShadowJK> USA is an aberration, it takes great effort to support it
May 29 02:31:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ghostnik11: latest FCC papers suggest it will do t-mo but no 4G
May 29 02:32:38 <ghostnik11> docscrutinizer51: why wouldn't nokia put a 4g band in there, they can put anything they imagine in there phones
May 29 02:33:06 <ShadowJK> 4g mostly doesn't exist yet
May 29 02:33:33 <DocScrutinizer51> dunno, maybe because there's been no chipset for that when development started
May 29 02:33:41 <ghostnik11> shadowjK: i don't get why would it take a lot of effort to get supported in usa, i think the n900 is the best phone ever created in terms of smart phones and what you can do with it
May 29 02:34:10 <ghostnik11> good point i am under tmobile and it really isn't 4g more like 3.5
May 29 02:34:15 <ShadowJK> USA is problematic, because every single fucking operator uses their own frequence OR their own modulation
May 29 02:34:35 <DocScrutinizer51> ghostnik11: USA is insane wrt cellphone standard
May 29 02:34:39 <ShadowJK> So there is no competition, because everyone is sticking to their own shit
May 29 02:34:48 <SpeedEvil> And each different waveband requires actual hardware to support.
May 29 02:34:55 <ShadowJK> indeed
May 29 02:35:03 <SpeedEvil> Each different modulation requires support in the modem chipset to do it.
May 29 02:35:13 <SpeedEvil> And in some cases, approval by the carrier.
May 29 02:35:22 <ShadowJK> yeah ;/
May 29 02:35:35 <SpeedEvil> That is - you cannot make a phone, and connect it to the network, they need to approve it.
May 29 02:36:18 <DocScrutinizer51> USA is worse than india and africa
May 29 02:36:33 <ghostnik11> this is some bull, i am actually mad b/c right now at&t wants to buy tmobile usa reducing the amount of competition and know your saying this whole time the carriers have to give manufacturing phone companies approval b/4 they can build a phone
May 29 02:36:58 * ShadowJK begins parsing
May 29 02:38:13 <DocScrutinizer51> no, they give approval for you to use that phone with their network
May 29 02:38:15 <ShadowJK> As a non-american speaker you're incomprehensible
May 29 02:38:31 <SpeedEvil> ghostnik11: In some cases, yes. Only GSM networks - generally - are 'you stick a SIM in, and it works'.
May 29 02:40:38 <dangergrrl> tmobile has my account with the "unlimited*� data plan marked mandatory
May 29 02:40:57 <DocScrutinizer51> ghostnik11: you know each phone has an IMEI, a globally unique identifier, and carriers can 'ban' arbitrary phone models - even single phones
May 29 02:41:20 <dangergrrl> but they have me listed with some nokia symbian model that also has mandatory unlimited
May 29 02:42:27 <dangergrrl> tmobile is only less sucky than att
May 29 02:42:27 <DocScrutinizer51> dangergrrl: lost me
May 29 02:42:40 <ghostnik11> docscrutinizer51: wow, thats not fair, as long as i willing to pay a carrier, they shouldn't block me if they see my imei and see that its not on there list of imei that are good on there network
May 29 02:43:18 <dangergrrl> i can not pick a lower data plan, this one is mandatory, i wouldn't want to anyhow but i can't
May 29 02:43:24 * ShadowJK reparses: "this is quite disapproveable, I am actually quite upset right now, because the operator AT(et)T wants to buy tmobileusa, reducing the amount of competition, and, NOW YOU ARE saying carriers have to give manufacturing phone companies approval before they can build a phone"
May 29 02:44:04 <ghostnik11> dangergrrl: if att buys tmobile-usa, i am screwed i refuse to pay a higher bill after the merger, and will just not have a cell phone and simply use sip through wi-fi connected to google voice
May 29 02:44:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ghostnik11: in south korea however it's mandatory to register your phone with that carrier, and they either give you their models or ask for really huge amounts of money for registering 'alien' models
May 29 02:45:00 <ghostnik11> docscrutinizer51: so wait that can happen in the usa also?
May 29 02:45:11 * ShadowJK has: unlimited data transfer & speed 9.90€ / month, MultiSIM 5 cards maximum 3.90 per month.. :-)
May 29 02:45:14 <DocScrutinizer51> can, could, dunno
May 29 02:46:02 <ShadowJK> ghostnik11, it depends on how fascist your operator wants to be
May 29 02:46:36 <DocScrutinizer51> ghostnik11: technically it's no problem
May 29 02:47:08 <ghostnik11> shadowjk: i am under tmobile in usa and there not that bad b/c i only have data plan, unlimited and get free text and voice (via sip over 3g and wifi)
May 29 02:47:26 <ghostnik11> for free text i use google voice
May 29 02:47:40 <dangergrrl> i don't know anyone who has an n900 and at&t cell service, they may not even offer service for an n900 they charge extra to allow tethering for example and they can not block it on an n900
May 29 02:48:04 <ShadowJK> If they go full Kim Jong Il level of fascism you better prepare to sacrifice your first born
May 29 02:48:08 <dangergrrl> and charge a premium for tethered bandwidth
May 29 02:49:09 <DocScrutinizer51> here's always turaya and iridium and inmarsat ;-)
May 29 02:49:10 <dangergrrl> \the n900 is way too open for the cell companies to like it
May 29 02:49:10 <ShadowJK> My oeprator says "Bandwidth is bandwidth is bandwidth"
May 29 02:49:12 <ghostnik11> dangergrrl: thats another thing, i use android and have it rooted so i do tethering any time i want and don't get charged extra, but if at&t buys tmobile i can see that being blocked
May 29 02:50:30 <ghostnik11> dangergrrl: thats why i feel they didn't market under a carrier here in the states b/c every time i look at n900 i can't believe why it didn't come to states under tmobile, its far superior to iphone 3g that was out at the time n900 was out
May 29 02:50:33 <dangergrrl> i can forsee expensive consultant fees in the future of one or more us fcc commishioners :)
May 29 02:50:44 <DocScrutinizer51> detwecting tehtering is really difficult and sually not done
May 29 02:53:02 <ghostnik11> wait how can a carrier know if we are tethering, i mean if they see a spike in amout of data that a users uses for a day, that can't mean the user is tethering
May 29 02:53:08 <SpeedEvil> Even more so with x86 phones
May 29 02:53:14 <dangergrrl> if you have a locked device i thought they could turn it on and off
May 29 02:53:16 <SpeedEvil> ghostnik11: Deep packet inspection.
May 29 02:53:48 <SpeedEvil> ghostnik11: Can the device run the program it's got packets coming through it from.
May 29 02:54:03 <SpeedEvil> For example - phones can't run starcraft.
May 29 02:54:19 <ghostnik11> speedevil: so that means they can see also if you in your data are using voip on your phone and block it
May 29 02:54:36 <SpeedEvil> Of course.
May 29 02:55:24 <dangergrrl> i don't thing the ToS i am under provides for blocking arbitrary data
May 29 02:55:29 <DocScrutinizer51> blocking SIP is a commonly used way to sell more minutes
May 29 02:55:46 <SpeedEvil> dangergrrl: Look at the 'to protect the network' clauses.
May 29 02:55:48 <ghostnik11> speedevil: great, my whole plan of what i have been doing can be put in jeopardy if they feel like just inspecting my data, this is bad, i depend on sip
May 29 02:55:53 <SpeedEvil> Or similar.
May 29 02:56:42 <dangergrrl> actually the 5GB and then clamp to ~80kbits is pretty effective
May 29 02:56:59 <dangergrrl> i can not do voip with tmobile right now
May 29 02:57:11 <dangergrrl> or listen to pandora
May 29 02:57:41 <dangergrrl> when iḿ below my data quote pandora never skips on me riding my motorcycle all over central texas
May 29 02:57:46 <dangergrrl> quota
May 29 02:58:52 <ghostnik11> dangergrrl: yeah but i never reach 5 gbs maybe 2gbs b/c i always feel like tmobile is watching me, especially since i had called and told them i don't want voice or text on my phone anymore and just wanted to keep my unlimited data plan, and get everything else for free b/c as long as i have internet on my phone i can get everything else free
May 29 02:59:02 <dangergrrl> most days i pull 5GB on the cable link
May 29 02:59:50 <SpeedEvil> I'm tending to not hit my 80G/mo cap by a fair margin.
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