**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 01 02:59:56 2011
Jun 01 03:07:34 <biston> good morning
Jun 01 03:08:15 <biston> i just wanna ask a quick question. if my ham is giving me the msg that i need to upgrade the CSSU package thru PC Suite, is it safe to alternatively update the package via fapmanager ?
Jun 01 03:09:23 <biston> or i can always do it via terminal
Jun 01 03:09:25 <biston> which is better ?
Jun 01 04:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> never use fapman, at least for system pkgs
Jun 01 04:02:33 <DocScrutinizer> for apt-get ask mohammad, I dunno. But I'd think if HAM complains about "you need to use pc suite..." then there are conflicts that you can't sort with apt the easy way either
Jun 01 04:03:06 <myuu> biston
Jun 01 04:03:17 <myuu> just check the problems tab
Jun 01 04:03:26 <myuu> oh he left
Jun 01 04:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Jun 01 04:05:28 <DocScrutinizer> moo myuu
Jun 01 04:06:16 <DocScrutinizer> looks like a jandel poem
Jun 01 04:06:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Jun 01 04:10:09 <keks-n> Hm
Jun 01 04:10:27 <keks-n> Now I see multiboot menu when booting Ubuntu's kernel
Jun 01 04:10:44 <keks-n> But it doesn't react on any keys
Jun 01 04:11:18 <keks-n> i. e. these keys appear in the console
Jun 01 04:13:22 <GonzoTheGreat_> 1-2-3?
Jun 01 04:16:00 <keks-n> yep
Jun 01 04:16:16 <keks-n> Actually I see q,w,e
Jun 01 04:16:25 <keks-n> Or Q W E with shift
Jun 01 04:18:35 <keks-n> Hm, it uses /dev/event1
Jun 01 04:18:57 <keks-n> There is no such device when system is loaded
Jun 01 04:20:44 <keks-n> Will try to fix it to /dev/input/event1
Jun 01 04:23:12 <keks-n> lol, something went wrong
Jun 01 04:53:32 <keks-n> Hm
Jun 01 04:54:00 <keks-n> It should use /dev/input/event0 instead of /dev/input1 when running Ubuntu kernel
Jun 01 05:09:28 <keks-n> Argh
Jun 01 05:09:43 <keks-n> It won't flash the kernel -_-
Jun 01 05:11:20 <keks-n> Hm
Jun 01 05:11:49 <DocScrutinizer> incredible what you're doing just to get nitdridiot running
Jun 01 05:12:13 <keks-n> I want to run Ubuntu, not nitdroid
Jun 01 05:12:18 <DocScrutinizer> is it really worth the hassle?
Jun 01 05:12:31 <dm8tbr> oh, yes because everything has to run ubuntu... ;)
Jun 01 05:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> ^^
Jun 01 05:12:46 <keks-n> lol
Jun 01 05:12:48 <dm8tbr> keks-n: which version?
Jun 01 05:12:53 <keks-n> 11.04
Jun 01 05:13:06 <dm8tbr> keks-n: good luck, the n900 SoC has broken thumbs...
Jun 01 05:13:10 <dm8tbr> pun intended
Jun 01 05:13:44 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Jun 01 05:13:55 <keks-n> I saw some Illegal instruction errors while running the second stage of debootstrap -_-
Jun 01 05:14:23 <keks-n> Hm
Jun 01 05:14:44 <DocScrutinizer> so you need multiboot to boot buntkuh now? o.O
Jun 01 05:14:48 <dm8tbr> keks-n: yes, you need to go back at least two versions...
Jun 01 05:14:51 <keks-n> I have an idea of integrating uboot into multiboot sequence
Jun 01 05:15:04 <DocScrutinizer> that's impossible
Jun 01 05:15:09 <keks-n> Why?
Jun 01 05:15:25 <DocScrutinizer> as it's completely different methods
Jun 01 05:15:34 <keks-n> It boots maemo kernel, it runs /sbin/preinit aaaannnnddd Multiboot is here!
Jun 01 05:15:57 <keks-n> I just have to extract zImage from FIASCO image
Jun 01 05:16:23 <dm8tbr> so that's a kexec based boot menu?
Jun 01 05:16:31 <keks-n> Nope
Jun 01 05:16:39 <keks-n> kexec is broken
Jun 01 05:16:53 <DocScrutinizer> so what? next time it won't boot maemo kernel, as last time you used multiboot, it flashed ubuntu kernel to NAND @.@
Jun 01 05:17:06 <keks-n> lol
Jun 01 05:17:23 <keks-n> Multiboot flashes u-boot, u-boot loads Ubuntu from SD
Jun 01 05:17:45 <keks-n> When I decide to start Maemo, I just tell it u-boot
Jun 01 05:18:10 <keks-n> And it loads maemo kernel which brings me back  to multiboot
Jun 01 05:18:10 <DocScrutinizer> so WTF do you need multiboot then?
Jun 01 05:18:21 <keks-n> Nitdroid and kernel-power
Jun 01 05:18:28 <DocScrutinizer> tzzz
Jun 01 05:18:33 <keks-n> ^__^
Jun 01 05:18:48 <keks-n> I still cann't run u-boot with kernel-power
Jun 01 05:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, I got N*F*C how to run uBoot-kernelPower via multiboot
Jun 01 05:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> but I'm sure I'm absolutely happy with that and NEVER want to learn
Jun 01 05:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> good luck anyway, and don't forget to occasionally reread /topic
Jun 01 05:23:22 <keks-n> Unfortunately I need android for development
Jun 01 05:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: multiboot opens a menu, asks what OS to run, then reflashes(!!!) the kernel on NAND and reboots that new kernel, aiui
Jun 01 05:25:39 <keks-n> Is there any other way of having nitdroid and ubuntu?
Jun 01 05:25:44 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: 'interesting'
Jun 01 05:26:18 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: so always have a second device handy to reflash your unit in case you know the menu zaps the kernel...
Jun 01 05:26:35 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: obviously if *anything* went wrong on that procedure, when you update kernel the normal way, or mess with kernel modules, you're screwed on bootloop and got to reflash
Jun 01 05:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: yes
Jun 01 05:27:21 <dm8tbr> keks-n: u-boot can boot from MMC or NAND/eMMC - so?
Jun 01 05:27:49 <GonzoTheGreat> I use this to run Meego and power kernel - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1007601&postcount=1
Jun 01 05:27:54 <DocScrutinizer> dm8tbr: uBoot can even boot from all three
Jun 01 05:28:09 <keks-n> No I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power
Jun 01 05:28:19 <GonzoTheGreat> Strictly not nitwits stuff
Jun 01 05:28:42 <keks-n> s/No/Now/
Jun 01 05:28:43 <infobot> keks-n meant: Now I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power
Jun 01 05:28:49 <keks-n> Hm
Jun 01 05:28:58 <GonzoTheGreat> It's a combo of multiboot and uboot
Jun 01 05:28:59 <DocScrutinizer> keks-n: your problem. Toldya uBoot-power pkg installs and works like a charm here
Jun 01 05:29:13 <GonzoTheGreat> power47
Jun 01 05:29:26 <keks-n> At least I managed to integrate uboot into multiboot
Jun 01 05:29:35 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: last time I tried that there was something unsatisfied in the deps IIRC
Jun 01 05:29:56 <DocScrutinizer> I didn't bother to build on my own
Jun 01 05:30:11 <DocScrutinizer> I said "intall", not "build"
Jun 01 05:31:11 <DocScrutinizer> open HAM, search for uboot, install uBoot-power pkg, done
Jun 01 05:32:07 <GonzoTheGreat> the installing uboot-pr13 section in the above link is teh key part
Jun 01 05:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if you maybe need to have powerkernel (modules) instelled prior to that
Jun 01 05:32:49 <DocScrutinizer> anyway multiboot is *DEPRECATED*
Jun 01 05:33:15 <DocScrutinizer> and I fail to see any sane reason to use it
Jun 01 05:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> if you want nitridiot, make it boot thu uBoot - hell, it seems to boot from NOLO, so why shouldn't it boot from uBoot
Jun 01 05:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> you'd think the kernel doesn't really care where from it gets loaded to ram
Jun 01 05:35:42 <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: I guess I'll have to reflash 1.3 and retry. last time HAM complained that it couldn't find the power_46_ modules when I tried the _47_ uboot-power
Jun 01 05:35:49 <DocScrutinizer> even if it's an insane nitridiot kernel
Jun 01 05:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, that might be a problem. I guess you might need to install powerkernel plain vanilla prior to uboot-power
Jun 01 05:38:22 <DocScrutinizer> t900:~# apt-cache policy uboot-power
Jun 01 05:38:23 <DocScrutinizer> uboot-power:
Jun 01 05:38:25 <DocScrutinizer>   Installed: 0.2-1
Jun 01 05:38:38 <DocScrutinizer>  *** 0.2-1 0
Jun 01 05:38:40 <DocScrutinizer>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
Jun 01 05:38:43 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Jun 01 05:39:50 <DocScrutinizer> anyway seems I got uboot-power46
Jun 01 05:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> possibly 47 got a bug, dunno
Jun 01 05:40:30 <GonzoTheGreat> There is a thread about it.
Jun 01 05:40:43 <GonzoTheGreat> Hence the link I posted above
Jun 01 05:41:39 <DocScrutinizer> I got it that link posted to noise about multiboot
Jun 01 05:42:27 <GonzoTheGreat> huh?
Jun 01 05:59:54 <DocScrutinizer> hell, I really read all that weird stuff (can't believe it) - and there ARE people using nitridiot on eMMC even. Don't tell me you need multiboot to get it booted! quite obviously there's very little difference between meego and what nitdriod seems to need/use/do for boot
Jun 01 06:01:58 <GonzoTheGreat> Why not write up how to do it "properly". All I want is have power47 and meego of sd.
Jun 01 06:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> the bootloader points to a location for kernel - this is obviously a vmlinuz file on a VFAT partiton for both meego and nitdroid - and BL pints to the partition where your rootfs lives - this is a ext2/3 formated partition for both
Jun 01 06:03:12 <DocScrutinizer> the main diference between meego and nitridiot seems to be the sequence of partitions on uSD
Jun 01 06:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> then maybe you also make sure the vmlinuz kernel file has same full path and name for both your OS
Jun 01 06:03:59 <keks-n> What the
Jun 01 06:04:14 <keks-n> uboot doesn't recognize uImage
Jun 01 06:04:24 <keks-n> On  the SD card
Jun 01 06:04:35 <DocScrutinizer> the you should be able to swap between uSD with meego and uSD with nitdroid
Jun 01 06:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> and of course you can use uBoot-power as well as uBoot-pr13 to boot uSD and nand-based maemo
Jun 01 06:06:16 <keks-n> Now I'm unable to use uboot-power
Jun 01 06:06:28 <DocScrutinizer> I don't see any reason to get both stock pr13 kernel and powerkernel on N900 concurrently
Jun 01 06:06:28 <keks-n> It even doesn't show it's menu
Jun 01 06:06:55 <DocScrutinizer> keks-n: surprise surprise, don't you use multiboot?
Jun 01 06:07:23 <keks-n> Lol, how multiboot can be related with uboot?
Jun 01 06:07:31 <keks-n> It just replaces /sbin/preinit
Jun 01 06:07:32 <DocScrutinizer> WUT?????????????
Jun 01 06:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> BS
Jun 01 06:07:48 <DocScrutinizer> multiboot is flashing the kernel
Jun 01 06:07:55 <keks-n> How can it interact with u-boot BEFORE something is mounted?
Jun 01 06:08:02 <DocScrutinizer> that's hat they told mew
Jun 01 06:08:12 <keks-n> I've flashed U-Boot throght flasher-3.5 and nolo
Jun 01 06:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
Jun 01 06:08:29 <keks-n> And even after it I saw only black screen
Jun 01 06:08:43 <keks-n> I did it after removing multiboot
Jun 01 06:08:49 <robbiethe1st> ls
Jun 01 06:08:54 <keks-n> kernel-power boots from NOLO perfectly
Jun 01 06:09:01 <keks-n> But not uboot-power
Jun 01 06:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I can't help - maybe multiboot mean while has worn out your NAND - you know you can write/erase it only a limited number of times
Jun 01 06:09:55 <keks-n> But I've flashed several own kernels after it
Jun 01 06:10:03 <keks-n> And they also work
Jun 01 06:10:10 <keks-n> And uboot-pr13 works
Jun 01 06:10:11 <DocScrutinizer> read topic please
Jun 01 06:10:18 <keks-n> lol
Jun 01 06:10:48 <keks-n> I'm sure that problem is caused not by multiboot
Jun 01 06:11:21 <keks-n> BTW how to make u-boot recognize the kernel from sd-card?
Jun 01 06:11:56 <DocScrutinizer> keks-n: isn't that what uBoot is all about?
Jun 01 06:12:09 <keks-n> -_-
Jun 01 06:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> isn't that what boot up each meego ever running out there?
Jun 01 06:13:44 <keks-n> >>Wrong image format for bootm command
Jun 01 06:14:14 <keks-n> mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu" -d ./zImage ./uImage
Jun 01 06:14:34 <keks-n> Where I'm wrong?
Jun 01 06:16:49 <keks-n> $ mkimage -l uImage
Jun 01 06:16:49 <keks-n> Image Name:   Ubuntu
Jun 01 06:16:49 <keks-n> Created:      Wed Jun  1 10:00:05 2011
Jun 01 06:16:49 <keks-n> Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
Jun 01 06:16:49 <keks-n> Data Size:    1601364 Bytes = 1563.83 kB = 1.53 MB
Jun 01 06:16:50 <keks-n> Load Address: 80008000
Jun 01 06:16:50 <keks-n> Entry Point:  80008000
Jun 01 06:49:54 <keks-n> Argh. Why debootstrap is so slow?
Jun 01 08:13:36 <khertan_> Hello !
Jun 01 08:21:16 <keks-n> damn
Jun 01 08:21:36 <keks-n> ubuntu kernel in the repo doesn't recognize my ext3 partition -_-
Jun 01 08:22:27 <robbiethe1st> Uh, why not?
Jun 01 08:23:21 <khertan_> Morning
Jun 01 08:23:27 <khertan_> X-Fade: are you here ?
Jun 01 08:23:49 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 01 08:25:13 <Jaffa> khertan_: BTW, Khweeteur 0.5.17-1 doesn't work for me. It starts, but never shows anything. After realising my Twitter account wasn't migrated from the old version, I recreated it. Still no luck. However, in the console I get "Pyside Mobility is not installed or is broken". pyside-mobility is installed & "latest version". What does "broken" mean?
Jun 01 08:25:46 <khertan_> Jaffa: i can upload to extras devel
Jun 01 08:25:53 <khertan_> 0.5.24 will fix the problem
Jun 01 08:25:54 <khertan_> :)
Jun 01 08:26:07 <khertan_> s/i/if i
Jun 01 08:27:15 <khertan_> and morning Jaffa
Jun 01 08:27:16 <khertan_> :)
Jun 01 08:27:29 <khertan_> and thx for reporting the error.
Jun 01 08:28:27 <khertan_> What does "broken" mean? ... it s mean that a maemo 1.0.1-3 release have wrong dependancies and mix older binary with newer or something like that ... i didn't remember well
Jun 01 08:28:41 <khertan_> s/maemo/maemo pyside
Jun 01 08:32:05 <keks-n> Hell yeah
Jun 01 08:32:18 <keks-n> I've got login promt on tty7
Jun 01 08:57:29 <Termana> good morning
Jun 01 09:16:24 <keks-n> I'm using netcat as a "remote shell" now
Jun 01 09:16:40 <keks-n> because sshd is broken
Jun 01 09:17:22 * b0unc3 good morning
Jun 01 09:17:30 <ruskie> hehe
Jun 01 09:18:04 <keks-n> So I write commands from PC and see the output on the device
Jun 01 10:48:08 <SpeedEvil> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/31/nokia-shares-dive-profit-warning
Jun 01 10:49:25 <ruskie> SpeedEvil, so basically expected...
Jun 01 10:49:35 <SpeedEvil> Yup.
Jun 01 10:49:50 <SpeedEvil> Anyone not expecting a profits warning hasn't actually been paying attention.
Jun 01 10:50:07 <ruskie> they really did put bullets all over themselves with the WinPho7 blunder
Jun 01 10:51:58 <Arkenoi> whut, again?
Jun 01 10:53:48 <edheldil> ruskie:  interestingly though, the analysts don't see the connection :)
Jun 01 10:54:27 <SpeedEvil> Nokia has 11 billion euro in cash on hand.
Jun 01 10:54:35 <SpeedEvil> ...
Jun 01 10:54:48 <SpeedEvil> Oh - that's from 2007
Jun 01 11:13:50 <MohammadAG> that guy on #meego is lulz
Jun 01 11:17:46 <keks-n> I think installing ubuntu to the phone from scratch via debootstrap was a bad idea...
Jun 01 11:18:26 <MohammadAG> took me 12 hours
Jun 01 11:18:31 <MohammadAG> +- 10
Jun 01 11:19:51 <keks-n> Now I'm trying to install at least gdm and gnome-session
Jun 01 11:25:18 <firstorm> can any one help, my phone got abit wet it had been in drying cuppboard for 5 days now, just turned it on and still got no screen, i've plugged the av cable in but get no output on the t.v ! is it dead and need rpairing?
Jun 01 11:25:35 <SpeedEvil> Did you take the battery out?
Jun 01 11:26:03 <firstorm> yup
Jun 01 11:26:19 <firstorm> took it out had been left open and in there for 5 days give or take!
Jun 01 11:26:30 <firstorm> it boots up cause i got txts msg on it and the keyboard lights up
Jun 01 11:26:31 <SpeedEvil> Clean water?
Jun 01 11:26:40 <firstorm> well it was on a car and it rained
Jun 01 11:26:44 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Jun 01 11:26:47 <firstorm> but it was like 3 drops of water on it
Jun 01 11:26:52 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Jun 01 11:27:06 <firstorm> nothing special so i'm going for the fact it's just got mostier ? sp in it!
Jun 01 11:27:16 <firstorm> but there was a wet patch on the screen but thats gone
Jun 01 11:27:19 <SpeedEvil> Moisture.
Jun 01 11:27:25 <firstorm> thats the word lol
Jun 01 11:27:31 <SpeedEvil> I'd try leaving it for another couple of days.
Jun 01 11:27:52 <SpeedEvil> Water damage would generally not be covered by warranty
Jun 01 11:28:02 <SpeedEvil> The screen can be replaced.
Jun 01 11:28:07 <firstorm> i know! :( and it's not insured either!
Jun 01 11:28:15 <SpeedEvil> Sorry.
Jun 01 11:28:23 <firstorm> yer not good is it! :(
Jun 01 11:28:34 <firstorm> not to fussy about the phone but got some data on there i need off it!
Jun 01 11:28:42 <SpeedEvil> Is the screen visible at all?
Jun 01 11:28:46 <firstorm> nope get nothing!
Jun 01 11:29:01 <firstorm> so i thought i would plug the phono lead in and i could see it on a tv
Jun 01 11:29:07 <SpeedEvil> I assume you've not setup ssh or whatever?
Jun 01 11:29:30 <firstorm> nar :(
Jun 01 11:29:34 <firstorm> i never got that fa with it lol!
Jun 01 11:29:42 <firstorm> on the 3rd screen in just over a year
Jun 01 11:29:49 <SpeedEvil> Ow.
Jun 01 11:29:53 <firstorm> tell me about it!
Jun 01 11:29:53 <SpeedEvil> AFK - brb
Jun 01 11:30:16 <vldcnst> So what happens if you plug the USB cable?
Jun 01 11:30:25 <firstorm> it beps at me and starts to charge
Jun 01 11:30:57 <firstorm> beeps*
Jun 01 11:31:58 <vldcnst> Hmmm, what kind of data are you trying to backup?
Jun 01 11:32:36 <psycho_oreos> there was some guy who experimented recovering his device after letting it expose to excess amounts of water by putting it into a bucket of rice or something and let the rice soak up the moisture. That is of course after opening the device apart and then letting rice soak up the water
Jun 01 11:32:51 <firstorm> well the laptop died on me so i chucked some video n docs onto the phone till i rebuilt the laptop
Jun 01 11:33:05 <firstorm> and just never transgred it back!
Jun 01 11:33:31 <firstorm> wish the bloody phone would once u plug the usb cable in if ud idn't select option it would auto time out and select one!
Jun 01 11:33:45 <vldcnst> the touch screen is dead too?
Jun 01 11:35:00 <firstorm> well it seems it
Jun 01 11:35:14 <psycho_oreos> the device isn't setup to do that by default, it acts like literally every other nokia phones out there when the user charges the phone when the battery inside the phone is flat. It basically acts dead
Jun 01 11:35:14 <vldcnst> do you have an SD card?
Jun 01 11:35:47 <firstorm> nar cause i was stupid and saved it on the phone lol!
Jun 01 11:36:29 <SpeedEvil> Rice is largely bullshit.
Jun 01 11:36:53 <SpeedEvil> Consider what happens if you put rice out in the air.
Jun 01 11:36:55 <psycho_oreos> I don't think you could call that stupidity, if anything it was laziness that prevented you from transferring the data from the device back. You had to use your phone as a backup medium at that time which was probably a swift choice
Jun 01 11:36:57 <SpeedEvil> Does it become soggy?
Jun 01 11:37:20 <psycho_oreos> I think it just gets a bit softer
Jun 01 11:37:28 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't really
Jun 01 11:37:56 <SpeedEvil> Notice also that rice is cheaper than silica gel.
Jun 01 11:37:56 <psycho_oreos> then why do people put rice in with salt for example in the cases of shakers? or even garlic salt and stuff like that?
Jun 01 11:38:04 <SpeedEvil> And you don't see packets of rice in electronics.
Jun 01 11:38:19 <firstorm> i've never used rice to dry stuff
Jun 01 11:38:21 <psycho_oreos> its meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's chooice
Jun 01 11:38:25 <firstorm> but i've put salt in a pot in a car before etc!
Jun 01 11:38:29 <SpeedEvil> The rice bangs the salt free
Jun 01 11:38:45 <psycho_oreos> s/chooice/choice/
Jun 01 11:38:45 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: its meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's choice
Jun 01 11:38:51 <firstorm> but when u cook rice it expends in the water which is the same thing.
Jun 01 11:38:58 <nid0> well, rice is a dessicant, its just not an amazingly good one
Jun 01 11:39:14 <SpeedEvil> firstorm: But it doesn't expand if you leave it in a humid place.
Jun 01 11:39:20 <vldcnst> how about booting the n900 with the USB cable plugged in, then ctrl+shift+x and then /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh
Jun 01 11:39:23 <vldcnst> would that work?
Jun 01 11:39:29 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - simply heating for 50C for a couple of days is lots better.
Jun 01 11:39:44 <firstorm> but yes psycho_oreos 100% my problem cause i didn't do it! but that not the poitn here my dad would kick my arse!
Jun 01 11:39:55 <psycho_oreos> vldcnst, minus the fact that the user might have phone/SIM lock enabled on the device? :)
Jun 01 11:40:13 <SpeedEvil> firstorm: Does the device respond to presses on the screen - does the vibrator go on?
Jun 01 11:40:13 <firstorm> i could understand if it sat in water or t was pissing it down silly heavy etc yer but it was not even rain!
Jun 01 11:40:17 <vldcnst> psycho_oreos: he already said he can receive TXT's so I assumed it's not locked
Jun 01 11:40:19 <firstorm> nar lock on the phone
Jun 01 11:40:28 <firstorm> SpeedEvil nope nothing
Jun 01 11:40:50 <firstorm> windows beeps to say it sees that usb cable is plugged in!
Jun 01 11:40:58 <psycho_oreos> firstorm, either way its probably a good idea to let the electronics to dry from the point it was exposed to water/moisture
Jun 01 11:41:24 <firstorm> psycho_oreos i have it's been in the airing cuppboard for 6 days
Jun 01 11:41:32 <firstorm> i get nokia song on load up
Jun 01 11:41:35 <firstorm> keyboard lights up
Jun 01 11:41:44 <firstorm> just no screen :(
Jun 01 11:41:56 <psycho_oreos> vldcnst, interesting maybe certain other parts were affected
Jun 01 11:42:07 <nid0> well, you've obviously got several broke bits, as well as the screen
Jun 01 11:42:19 <vldcnst> firstorm: where did the water enter the n900?
Jun 01 11:42:21 <firstorm> but it boots up ok! and it seems happy lol!
Jun 01 11:42:22 <nid0> if you got no working tv out or touch response
Jun 01 11:42:38 <psycho_oreos> firstorm, I meant pulling the device apart and drying but meh. It's probably too late, you might not even have touch screen functionality if you touched the screen and the vibrator or speaker does not make noises
Jun 01 11:43:09 <firstorm> it was screen up on top of a car
Jun 01 11:43:12 <firstorm> closed!
Jun 01 11:43:33 <firstorm> see it's charging and i get keyboard lights
Jun 01 11:43:45 <firstorm> just seems like the screen has died!
Jun 01 11:43:59 <psycho_oreos> have you tried touch screen functionality?
Jun 01 11:44:29 <firstorm> yer
Jun 01 11:44:30 <firstorm> lol
Jun 01 11:44:47 <firstorm> in theory if i press some where down the bottom i should be able to select what usb mode i want
Jun 01 11:44:55 <nid0> obvious question, does the keyboard actually work?
Jun 01 11:45:06 <firstorm> well i can press buttons
Jun 01 11:45:10 <firstorm> but no screen so i can't tell lol
Jun 01 11:45:20 <nid0> did you actually try the advice given by vldcnst a while ago?
Jun 01 11:45:33 <nid0> if the device boots, and the keyboard works, you can just launch xterm and enable mass storage mode
Jun 01 11:45:42 <vldcnst> nid0: not sure he can close the select usb mode thingy
Jun 01 11:45:48 <vldcnst> nid0: without a touchscreen
Jun 01 11:45:49 <firstorm> but i cant see what i'm doing.
Jun 01 11:46:07 <SpeedEvil> firstorm: open keyboard, wait for led to turn off.
Jun 01 11:46:11 <SpeedEvil> press key
Jun 01 11:46:42 <firstorm> but if the usb mode is still open? surley u can only clear that but clicking on screen
Jun 01 11:48:43 <SpeedEvil> I can't clear it with the keyboard, yes.
Jun 01 11:49:01 <firstorm> so that means if it's still up i can't do nothing with it?
Jun 01 11:49:06 <firstorm> cause the phone can't multi task?
Jun 01 11:49:13 <SpeedEvil> It can.
Jun 01 11:49:21 <SpeedEvil> It's just that that's a system modal dialog.
Jun 01 11:49:25 <nid0> is the device set to auto connect to any net connection?
Jun 01 11:49:30 <SpeedEvil> And it's meant not to take keypresses.
Jun 01 11:49:42 <Venemo> good morning
Jun 01 11:49:55 <firstorm> it might auto connect to my wireless infact
Jun 01 11:50:03 <firstorm> cause it's got no sim in it so can't find 3g.
Jun 01 11:50:26 <nid0> if so and you've got a keyoard, you can just install openssh then scp your files from it
Jun 01 11:50:42 <nid0> even if not, you can still bring up a wifi connection then do that, its just a bit more complex
Jun 01 11:50:56 <firstorm> so really what they need is to create a set of key presses that would automatically let u select mass storage device!
Jun 01 11:50:58 <firstorm> hmm
Jun 01 11:51:07 <vldcnst> SpeedEvil: what does ctrl+shift+n do?
Jun 01 11:51:09 <firstorm> so does the av output run through the screen?
Jun 01 11:51:25 <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could flash a 'rescue' image that'd let you login
Jun 01 11:51:28 <firstorm> because when i cracked the screen before i could plug in av and i could see it!
Jun 01 11:52:31 <SpeedEvil> The AV output does not 'run through thte screen'
Jun 01 11:52:45 <SpeedEvil> But eactly how the jack is enabled is a bit comlex.
Jun 01 11:52:57 <firstorm> dam smart phones lol!
Jun 01 11:53:11 <firstorm> let me fire up some sort of network scanner then! see if it's picked the phone up!
Jun 01 11:53:25 <nid0> your router would probably be the easiest to check
Jun 01 11:54:06 <firstorm> yer for some reason router doesn't detect stuff connected via wireless :S got a seperate ap
Jun 01 11:57:16 <firstorm> nope not connected to wireless :(
Jun 01 12:00:10 <firstorm> whats next step then lol :(
Jun 01 12:01:29 <firstorm> SpeedEvil?
Jun 01 12:01:57 <SpeedEvil> I don't have a good suggestion.
Jun 01 12:01:58 <vldcnst> SpeedEvil: how about doing a ctrl+shift+x and then sleep 10; /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh and then plug USB cable?
Jun 01 12:02:14 <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could reflash an image which would let you access the data over USB without the dialog.
Jun 01 12:02:39 <SpeedEvil> vldcnst: I have not tried that - in principle that - or something similar - might work
Jun 01 12:03:15 <cityLights> ha ha back at this hot contry
Jun 01 12:03:23 <firstorm> vldcnst should work?
Jun 01 12:03:33 <vldcnst> firstorm: maybe.
Jun 01 12:03:45 <cityLights> so, are there any news DocScrutinizer ?
Jun 01 12:03:46 <firstorm> what does the ctrl shift x do then?
Jun 01 12:03:49 <cityLights> new CSSU?
Jun 01 12:03:56 <vldcnst> firstorm: it opens up a terminal
Jun 01 12:05:06 <firstorm> ah ok!
Jun 01 12:05:16 <firstorm> is there anything i could write to make it beep so i know it works?
Jun 01 12:07:02 <nid0> you could reboot the device from terminal, thatll let you know you had it open
Jun 01 12:07:25 <nid0> if you've got espeak installed you can have the device respond to you
Jun 01 12:07:44 <firstorm> nar nothings installed on this phone :(
Jun 01 12:08:34 <vldcnst> can he even run the mass storage script without gainroot?
Jun 01 12:09:27 <nid0> probably not
Jun 01 12:09:46 <nid0> I generally kind of assume that rootsh is an installed pre-requisite on any n900 though
Jun 01 12:10:03 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install sshd
Jun 01 12:10:04 <SpeedEvil> then
Jun 01 12:10:09 <SpeedEvil> err
Jun 01 12:10:12 <SpeedEvil> sshd-client-server
Jun 01 12:10:16 <nid0> he has no wifi up
Jun 01 12:10:19 <SpeedEvil> then type in the password you want
Jun 01 12:10:21 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jun 01 12:10:29 <nid0> so hes gotta sort that out via shell first
Jun 01 12:10:37 * firstorm picks n900 up and lunches it across the room!
Jun 01 12:11:03 <firstorm> :(
Jun 01 12:11:05 <keks-n> -_-
Jun 01 12:11:16 <firstorm> its ok it landed on my bed lol!
Jun 01 12:11:19 <nid0> mmm, lunch
Jun 01 12:11:24 <firstorm> lol i saw that nid0
Jun 01 12:11:31 <firstorm> :( i'm thinking of food thats why!
Jun 01 12:11:39 <firstorm> urm vldcnst tried that nothing!
Jun 01 12:22:15 <vldcnst> firstorm: I think the easiest way would be to plug a microsd card and ctrl+shift+x and cp
Jun 01 12:23:11 <firstorm> but i don't know file names / folders
Jun 01 12:24:22 <vldcnst> firstorm: cp -r /home/user/MyDocs /media/mmc1
Jun 01 12:24:55 <firstorm> ty!
Jun 01 12:25:04 <firstorm> see i dont' mind sending it back but i know they would format it!
Jun 01 12:25:05 <firstorm> :(
Jun 01 12:26:35 <Venemo> MohammadAG, ping
Jun 01 13:15:50 <nusse> hi there
Jun 01 13:16:13 <nusse> anyone using syncevolution on the n900 and might share the config?
Jun 01 13:29:49 <hiemanshu> so is there a git client for N900? or is there a guide to set up an environment to compile stuff for the N900
Jun 01 13:30:58 <lcuk> http://developer.meego.com/
Jun 01 13:31:36 <hiemanshu> meego? isn't this the maemo channel?
Jun 01 13:32:10 <merlin1991> hiemanshu: there's git in the extras repo
Jun 01 13:32:14 <lcuk> :O
Jun 01 13:32:20 <lcuk> hiemanshu, lol yeah sorry
Jun 01 13:32:37 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/development/
Jun 01 13:33:12 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: I dont seem to find it for some reason
Jun 01 13:33:13 <merlin1991> ~sdk
Jun 01 13:33:13 <infobot> The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com
Jun 01 13:33:16 <merlin1991> arf
Jun 01 13:33:22 <merlin1991> ~scratchbox
Jun 01 13:33:23 <infobot> it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/
Jun 01 13:33:25 <merlin1991> fu
Jun 01 13:33:38 <merlin1991> the installer link was in there at some point I'm sure
Jun 01 13:33:59 <merlin1991> well
Jun 01 13:34:02 <merlin1991> hiemanshu: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
Jun 01 13:34:16 <merlin1991> that would be the environment to compile for the n900
Jun 01 13:34:21 <nusse> apt-get install git
Jun 01 13:34:30 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: yeah, I am reading that
Jun 01 13:35:01 <hiemanshu> nusse: apt-cache search git doesn't show it
Jun 01 13:35:17 <merlin1991> hiemanshu: do you have -devel enabled?
Jun 01 13:35:23 <hiemanshu> nope
Jun 01 13:35:29 <merlin1991> it's only in devel
Jun 01 13:35:38 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: ah ok, you said it was in extra
Jun 01 13:35:42 <merlin1991> you can choose between http://maemo.org/packages/view/git/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/git-core/
Jun 01 13:35:58 <merlin1991> extras is -devel for me nowadays :D
Jun 01 13:36:09 <merlin1991> the 2nd contrains a more recent version afaik
Jun 01 13:36:16 <merlin1991> s/contrains/contains/
Jun 01 13:36:17 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: the 2nd contains a more recent version afaik
Jun 01 13:37:16 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: ah, ok
Jun 01 13:37:31 <hiemanshu> well I just got the N900 a few days ago, a month old one from a friend
Jun 01 13:37:34 <hiemanshu> so far loving it :)
Jun 01 13:38:19 <hiemanshu> I know rpm packaging, humm, should learn packaging debs too
Jun 01 13:39:38 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: so do -devel actually break your system in a way that can't be fixed without reflashing? because being a fedora dev, we always have a way around
Jun 01 13:39:42 <hiemanshu> s/do/does
Jun 01 13:40:32 <merlin1991> you can fix pretty much everything with reflashing, and most things without too
Jun 01 13:40:56 <merlin1991> but devel also contains stuff like ic2-tools wich can brick your phone
Jun 01 13:41:38 <merlin1991> s/ic2/i2c
Jun 01 13:41:49 <hiemanshu> yeah well I can stay away from that for sure
Jun 01 13:43:01 <merlin1991> as long as you stay away from installing random stuff, and only upate packages you need to update you're save with -devel
Jun 01 13:44:11 <hiemanshu> but installing random stuff and bricking your phone is fun </sarcasm>
Jun 01 13:44:29 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: I will take care of that :)
Jun 01 13:49:02 <merlin1991> hiemanshu: you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/
Jun 01 13:51:34 <hiemanshu> merlin1991: sounds awesome
Jun 01 13:52:18 <hiemanshu> this is a secondary phone, basically no calls, no texts, so I can pretty much do anything with it :)
Jun 01 13:54:11 <merlin1991> I have the CSSU installed on my primary (only) phone :)
Jun 01 13:54:57 <BCMM> same, though mine is broken
Jun 01 13:55:16 <BCMM> (i should point out that i don't think CSSU is what caused the USB port to fall off)
Jun 01 13:57:23 <hiemanshu> BCMM: you are the 5th person to tell me that the USB port is breaking, I wonder why that happens
Jun 01 13:57:39 <BCMM> hiemanshu: it's pretty much a known issue now
Jun 01 13:57:50 <BCMM> it just isn't soldered down very well
Jun 01 13:57:59 <BCMM> nokia replaces them if that happens, though
Jun 01 13:58:08 <hiemanshu> BCMM: yeah, but is it mishandling or just nokia's fault
Jun 01 13:58:50 <BCMM> hiemanshu: well, it's not durable.
Jun 01 13:59:37 <BCMM> probably doesn't break if you are extremely careful of it; on the other hand, other phones' ports won't break even if you do use them a lot
Jun 01 14:01:03 <hiemanshu> BCMM: makes sense
Jun 01 14:02:11 <hiemanshu> if only the processor on this thing was faster
Jun 01 14:02:32 <an0therb0x> hello.. is it possible to sync my contacts from the n900 to google contacts ?
Jun 01 14:03:49 <keks-n> Sync it with outlook first
Jun 01 14:03:54 <keks-n> via PC Suite
Jun 01 14:13:07 <hiemanshu> BCMM: well technically you dont need a USB port, just get another battery, and one of those universal chargers, and you are set :D
Jun 01 14:13:30 <hiemanshu> as far as syncing is concerned, scp++
Jun 01 14:13:57 <KrayoN900> everytime you swap you have to power down though :-(
Jun 01 14:14:35 <hiemanshu> well yeah, its better than spending some $$ every month, esp if its a secondary phone
Jun 01 14:14:41 <rm3l> Hi - did someone ever found a working solution on how to set up a Google Apps account as an Exchange account within N900?
Jun 01 14:15:00 <KrayoN900> i have to swap once or twice on a day i don't have a usb port handy :-/
Jun 01 14:15:24 <hiemanshu> KrayoN900: the battery is that low?
Jun 01 14:16:28 <KrayoN900> yeah n900 power doesn't do good once you're using 3G and bluetooth all day
Jun 01 14:16:51 <KrayoN900> i always have ogg podcasts playing and am usually connected with 3G
Jun 01 14:18:09 <hiemanshu> ah
Jun 01 14:18:32 <hiemanshu> well with 2G data all day long here, I get about a day and half, but I dont use it to listen to music or anything
Jun 01 14:18:33 <KrayoN900> i listen to them with bluetooth headphones too
Jun 01 14:18:37 <KrayoN900> it all adds up
Jun 01 14:18:38 <hiemanshu> I have an iphone for that
Jun 01 14:19:10 <KrayoN900> when I bought my girlfriend one I was so surprised because she gets days out of her battery :-P
Jun 01 14:20:48 <hiemanshu> yeah, but I dont have music playing all day long
Jun 01 14:20:52 <hiemanshu> my computer does that for me
Jun 01 14:23:28 <hiemanshu> if only there was something in python, I could help develop to
Jun 01 14:25:22 <BCMM> shiny new n900!
Jun 01 14:27:27 <BCMM> so, how should i go about restoring things? will restoring a package list from the backup app get me back to CSSU or do i want to to do that first?
Jun 01 14:27:58 <KrayoN900> damn, i accidentally dismissed a dialog when i started midori. let's hope it wasn't important :-/
Jun 01 14:28:55 <hiemanshu> is any part of maemo in python at all?
Jun 01 14:29:53 <BCMM> hiemanshu: what are you counting as "maemo"?
Jun 01 14:29:55 <trx> i hope not
Jun 01 14:30:04 <hiemanshu> BCMM: the base system
Jun 01 14:30:09 <BCMM> trx: why, what's wrong with python?
Jun 01 14:30:43 <trx> nothing, i just wouldnt like parts of the kernel in python
Jun 01 14:30:44 <trx> :)
Jun 01 14:31:09 <BCMM> hiemanshu: i happen to have a just-out-of-the-box n900 here, and it hasn't even got python installed
Jun 01 14:31:20 <hiemanshu> BCMM: ah
Jun 01 14:31:25 <hiemanshu> BCMM: that means no
Jun 01 14:31:27 <hiemanshu> :/
Jun 01 14:31:41 <hiemanshu> I know Qt and Python
Jun 01 14:32:11 <BCMM> hiemanshu: as in PyQt, or as in C++ too?
Jun 01 14:33:31 <hiemanshu> BCMM: pretty good with PyQt, and quite a bit of C++ plus, still learning C++
Jun 01 14:59:08 <hiemanshu> what is the difference between the generic and the country wise firmwares
Jun 01 15:00:23 <Jaffa> hiemanshu: Not much
Jun 01 15:00:38 <hiemanshu> for one I know the Indian firmware doesn't have skype
Jun 01 15:26:57 <hiemanshu> w00t, my PyQt apps run just fine on the phone, I just need to make the GUI for a 800 x 480 size
Jun 01 15:34:13 <MohammadAG> can someone paste the output of lshal | grep battery.charge_level.capacity_state on a non low battery device?
Jun 01 15:34:31 <MohammadAG> or is there a way to find all possible values?
Jun 01 15:39:47 * MohammadAG pokes merlin1991 
Jun 01 15:40:00 <merlin1991>  oops I read low battery device
Jun 01 15:40:05 <merlin1991> instead of non low battery device
Jun 01 15:40:10 <merlin1991> can do, gimme a sec
Jun 01 15:40:10 <MohammadAG> :p
Jun 01 15:40:40 <MohammadAG> I'd guess possible values are "low" and "full" but not sure what in between is
Jun 01 15:41:01 <bindi> 'ok'
Jun 01 15:41:07 <merlin1991>   battery.charge_level.capacity_state = 'ok'  (string)
Jun 01 15:41:12 <merlin1991> :D
Jun 01 15:41:44 <merlin1991> battery icon shows about 1/5 missing
Jun 01 15:42:18 <bindi> i've 4 bars
Jun 01 15:49:20 <MohammadAG> ok? -.-
Jun 01 15:49:31 <MohammadAG> that's probably the stupidest string to have, but oh well
Jun 01 15:53:58 <GAN900> Wee, out of the ER with some anti-nausea drugs.
Jun 01 15:54:08 <GAN900> Finally going to get out of California.
Jun 01 15:54:16 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: Congratulations!
Jun 01 15:54:42 <GAN900> iknorite?
Jun 01 15:54:53 <GAN900> Stuoid foreigners and their diseases.
Jun 01 15:55:00 <SpeedEvil> Plague?
Jun 01 15:55:29 * GAN900 suspects the Finns.
Jun 01 15:56:44 <SpeedEvil> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70F1EFE395911738DDDAB0894D9415B828CF1D3
Jun 01 15:56:56 <SpeedEvil> The information given out by the Marine Hospital Service that since Feb.  22 there have been thirty-one deaths from bubonic plague in San  Francisco
Jun 01 15:58:36 <GAN900> Shit
Jun 01 15:58:40 <GAN900> Well, no sores.
Jun 01 16:09:39 <hiemanshu> is there like a Qt Designer template for the N900?
Jun 01 16:10:33 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, no, should there be one?
Jun 01 16:11:35 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: well it would be easier for most people to use it as a starting point, I could probably write one
Jun 01 16:11:54 * hiemanshu is porting some of his basic PyQt apps to the N900
Jun 01 16:22:16 <BCMM> any idea what i'm doing wrong with making my SSH keys work again on this new phone?
Jun 01 16:22:31 <BCMM> i've restored /home/user/.ssh/ and /etc/ssh/
Jun 01 16:22:37 <BCMM> and fixed /etc/passwd
Jun 01 16:22:42 <BCMM> what have i missed?
Jun 01 16:22:58 <BCMM> (it still asks for a pass when i try to log in)
Jun 01 16:23:27 <MohammadAG> just use ssh-copy-id
Jun 01 16:24:43 <BCMM> MohammadAG: restoring /home/user/.ssh/ should really achieve that
Jun 01 16:25:11 <BCMM> also, wouldn't i first have to create a password for user so i could log in?
Jun 01 16:25:31 <BCMM> oh i bet i know what happened
Jun 01 16:25:41 <BCMM> i bet the backup app set the wrong permissions on .ssh/
Jun 01 16:25:56 <BCMM> yep, 0777
Jun 01 16:26:41 <MohammadAG> BCMM, sure it's not /root/.ssh?
Jun 01 16:26:49 <BCMM> MohammadAG: trying to log in as user here
Jun 01 16:26:56 <MohammadAG> oh
Jun 01 16:27:00 <BCMM> i used to be able to ssh user@n900, and it would work
Jun 01 16:28:10 <BCMM> this did involve modifying /etc/passwd
Jun 01 16:29:26 <BCMM> fixed permissions and restarted sshd and it's still broken...
Jun 01 16:31:16 <BCMM> argh, why not parellel fetch in HAM?
Jun 01 16:31:23 <BCMM> ^no parallel
Jun 01 16:36:12 <BCMM> ah! fixed somehow
Jun 01 16:37:54 <BCMM> the backup app really needs to preserve permissions in the settings backup, and the user account being locked is just weird </rant>
Jun 01 17:18:42 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, may I suggest offline_access for future versions of Hermes?
Jun 01 18:36:00 <divodurum> hi
Jun 01 18:36:15 <divodurum> how do i install msn on n900
Jun 01 18:40:31 <SpeedEvil> msn?
Jun 01 18:40:53 <divodurum> yeah
Jun 01 18:41:02 <divodurum> mesenger
Jun 01 18:44:06 <divodurum> no clue eh
Jun 01 18:44:30 <ruskie> pidgin or the protocols for telepathy
Jun 01 18:45:10 <ruskie> look in the app manager
Jun 01 18:45:13 <ruskie> should be able to find it
Jun 01 18:45:13 <Choom> I use MSN (Pecam)
Jun 01 18:45:26 <Choom> works decently, doesn't support multiple logins though
Jun 01 18:46:41 <Choom> s/pecam/pecan
Jun 01 18:47:23 <BCMM> msn has multiple login now?
Jun 01 18:47:43 <Choom> has had for a while
Jun 01 18:47:56 <Choom> you can login from multiple places at the same time
Jun 01 18:48:28 <Choom> unfortunately, logging in from my phone logs me out from everywhere else, that's the only downside of MSN (Pecan) for me, and it doesn't bother me much
Jun 01 18:48:37 <ruskie> really no reason with jabber with a jabber msn transport
Jun 01 18:48:48 <ruskie> if you still actually use anything other than jabber that is
Jun 01 18:49:43 <Choom> everyone I know is on MSN and only a select few are on jabber, so MSN makes more sense as a default choice
Jun 01 18:50:55 <Necc> and sadly, noone of the apps out there actually supports network change (wifi<>2G/3G) without a high change to fail
Jun 01 18:51:28 <Choom> what do you mean by fail?
Jun 01 18:52:04 <Choom> I have no problems with the transition, when I leave home the phone automatically switches to the mobile network and the clients reconnect
Jun 01 18:52:21 <Choom> as soon as it finds an access point that it knows, it switches back to it
Jun 01 18:52:49 <Necc> case 1) when i change wifi<>2G/3G it simply doesn't even tries to reconnect automatically case 2) MSN tries to reconnect, but with sometime with a chance, it simply fails (gives up too early) and it doesn't even tries anymore
Jun 01 18:53:24 <Choom> do you have automatic mobile network connections enabled?
Jun 01 18:53:32 <Necc> yes
Jun 01 18:53:46 <Choom> MSN (Pecan) never fails to reconnect for me
Jun 01 18:54:33 <Necc> MSN (pecan) fails to reconnect after a specific timeout, and never ever retries until another wifi<>2G/3G switch comes
Jun 01 18:55:14 <Venemo_> Necc, neither MSN plugins work correctly, but I think butterfly is the least broken
Jun 01 18:55:29 <Necc> same applies to MSN (haze), MSN, Skype, and even occasionly to OVI
Jun 01 18:55:40 <Choom> that's not my experience with it, I don't think I've ever seen it fail, in fact up until the latest version it would even fight with my windows client over the connection
Jun 01 18:56:13 <Necc> all MSN apps for maemo simply sucks, it doesn't works as expected, and years ago now, nobody attempted to fix it normally -.-
Jun 01 18:56:31 <Choom> are you sure it's not a network issue?
Jun 01 18:56:51 <Venemo> Necc, newer versions of butterfly should work, the problem is that noone cares for updating it.
Jun 01 18:56:54 <Choom> I'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access
Jun 01 18:57:03 <Necc> Choom, cause a timeout for login, somehow (like force 2G) and you will see all MSN on the N900 chainfailing
Jun 01 18:57:17 <Choom> I'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) *disconnect* for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access
Jun 01 18:57:27 <Necc> i am 100% sure it is not a network issue
Jun 01 18:57:47 <Necc> it is 1) application design fail 2) bug (timeout, and after no automatic re-attempts)
Jun 01 18:57:49 <Choom> that could be it then, I'm 3.5G covered everywhere where I live
Jun 01 18:58:04 <Necc> where i live, i got 2.5G only
Jun 01 18:58:21 <Venemo> Necc, Pecan is just crap
Jun 01 18:58:36 <Necc> the only one perfect application so far is X-fire for the situation, but it doesn't exist for N900
Jun 01 18:58:43 <divodurum> hey, what about openarena
Jun 01 18:58:57 <divodurum> hwhere to get it for example
Jun 01 18:59:20 <Choom> vodafone is stable enough here to use IRC over ssh without many issues
Jun 01 18:59:25 <Necc> Venemo, MSN (all versions for telepathy), pidgin, aMSN, etc, all MSN app simply fails to work fully-automatized
Jun 01 18:59:34 <SpeedEvil> Choom: Except battery.
Jun 01 19:00:10 <Venemo> Necc, I see, but Butterfly works correctly on my laptop. so I assume that it has been fixed, and the N900 version is just too old
Jun 01 19:00:16 <Choom> yeah, I can run out of battery in an afternoon's worth of excessive usage
Jun 01 19:00:21 <rm3l> Hi guys - Has anyone of you ever found a working solution on how to set up Google Apps as an Exchange account on N900? Thanks for sharing any experience!
Jun 01 19:01:06 <Venemo> Choom, hehe, yeah
Jun 01 19:01:49 <MohammadAG> I use Haze
Jun 01 19:02:29 <Macer> word
Jun 01 19:02:47 <divodurum> where can i download haze
Jun 01 19:02:54 <Macer> rm3l: google apps?
Jun 01 19:03:36 <Venemo> divodurum, extras-devel
Jun 01 19:03:45 <rm3l> Macer: I mean, an existing Google Apps account!
Jun 01 19:04:05 <Macer> rm3l: only way i was able to sync google was to use mail for exchange for contacts
Jun 01 19:04:14 <Macer> imap for mail
Jun 01 19:04:25 <Necc> the only one 99.9% fix workaround to make MSN-telepathy work, is to install 2 different edition of MSN, and install "Automatic connection" and set up for example MSN (haze) to be connected when you are on 2G/3G, and connect to MSN(pecan) when you are connected to anything else network. So far, this work for me
Jun 01 19:04:34 <Macer> and ermining for calendar
Jun 01 19:06:22 <Macer> using mail for exchange by itself didnt work well
Jun 01 19:06:35 <Necc> btw Venemo, did you noticed decreased accuracy when you use location service of telepathy?
Jun 01 19:06:49 <divodurum> where can i dl pecan, lol
Jun 01 19:07:08 <Venemo> Necc, I wasn't aware that telepathy has a location service
Jun 01 19:07:21 <rm3l> Macer: Tried to do that, but I was wondering if one had ever used the ' Exchange' setup capability in N900 Settings!
Jun 01 19:07:29 <Venemo> divodurum, extras or extras-devel
Jun 01 19:07:32 <Macer> rm3l: it half works
Jun 01 19:07:36 <Macer> if at all
Jun 01 19:07:49 <Necc> then whatever use "My location"
Jun 01 19:07:59 <rm3l> Macer: Anyway, thanks for the ideas - will try to do the same!
Jun 01 19:08:07 <Venemo> Necc, ?
Jun 01 19:09:10 <divodurum> ehm.
Jun 01 19:09:21 <divodurum> extras-devel?
Jun 01 19:09:33 <Venemo> Necc, so far I've only tried ovi maps, but the GPS eats away the battery so quickly that I didn't find any normal use case for it
Jun 01 19:09:44 <Venemo> Necc, I only use it when I'm completely lost
Jun 01 19:10:03 <Macer> rm3l: it was the only way i was able to do it
Jun 01 19:10:18 <Macer> i really wish mail for exchange worked fully with google
Jun 01 19:10:28 <Necc> it uses network based positioning only, and you loose unnoticable usage time with it
Jun 01 19:10:47 <Macer> Venemo: ovi is horrible
Jun 01 19:10:54 <Macer> all maemo gps apps are horrible heh
Jun 01 19:11:54 <Choom> Necc: I repeat, that's not the experience I have with MSN (Pecan)
Jun 01 19:11:58 <Necc> except sygic... it is somewhat-useable
Jun 01 19:12:02 <Venemo> so, which GPS app is the best?
Jun 01 19:12:11 <Choom> when the phone auto-switches from one network to the other, MSN stays down for like 10 seconds
Jun 01 19:12:28 <Choom> and has never failed to reconnect back
Jun 01 19:12:33 <Macer> ovi maps
Jun 01 19:12:35 <Macer> heh
Jun 01 19:12:54 <Necc> Choom, and if it timeouts at login, it stays at that state
Jun 01 19:12:58 <Macer> bbl
Jun 01 19:14:23 <Choom> Necc: the only case where it stays down (and that was a recent addition) is when I log in from elsewhere, and I actually like that behavior
Jun 01 19:14:58 <Choom> Necc: as soon as I leave my home network and the phone auto-switches to mobile net it reconnects back
Jun 01 19:15:08 <divodurum> is there any ms paint like application around?
Jun 01 19:15:32 <divodurum> i have the mypaint but dont really like it
Jun 01 19:15:49 <Venemo> divodurum, sure: build-in "Sketch" app, mypaint, and penpen
Jun 01 19:16:06 <hiemanshu> how much do new N900s cost?
Jun 01 19:16:23 <divodurum> cant get colors on penpen/sketch
Jun 01 19:16:36 <Venemo> heh?
Jun 01 19:16:38 <divodurum> mypaint seems to "lag" a bit
Jun 01 19:16:54 <divodurum> i draw something and wait for it to appear on screen
Jun 01 19:17:20 <divodurum> i got mine for 180€
Jun 01 19:17:31 <divodurum> used one though
Jun 01 19:22:15 <hiemanshu> divodurum: how old?
Jun 01 19:22:58 <Venemo> heh
Jun 01 19:23:08 <Venemo> I tried both butterfly and pecan... neither one accepts my password
Jun 01 19:23:10 <Venemo> LoL
Jun 01 19:23:19 <kerio> League of Legends?
Jun 01 19:23:29 <Venemo> kerio :)
Jun 01 19:25:06 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I installed accounts-plugin-haze or something like that
Jun 01 19:25:13 <hiemanshu> and everything works fine for me
Jun 01 19:25:25 <divodurum> 1 year old
Jun 01 19:25:38 <divodurum> so 1 year warranty left
Jun 01 19:26:00 <hiemanshu> mine is like a month or so old
Jun 01 19:26:03 <hiemanshu> I got it for $210
Jun 01 19:26:08 <divodurum> ive had this for only few days but seems to be in mint condition
Jun 01 19:26:20 <divodurum> wow, nice
Jun 01 19:26:36 <hiemanshu> I still need to get a microsd card for it
Jun 01 19:26:38 <divodurum> well, everything costs you shitloads in finland
Jun 01 19:27:00 <Venemo> hiemanshu, microsd? what for? 32 GB isn't enough for ya?
Jun 01 19:27:19 <divodurum> you installing nitroid or something?
Jun 01 19:27:36 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I am going to try nitdroid, fedora, meego on it
Jun 01 19:27:45 <Venemo> divodurum, me? nitdroid? NEVER!
Jun 01 19:28:11 <divodurum> no that was meant for hueman
Jun 01 19:28:18 <divodurum> hieman i mean
Jun 01 19:28:30 <Venemo> no problem
Jun 01 19:28:38 <Venemo> nitdroid is utter crap
Jun 01 19:29:01 <divodurum> anyways you can have both installed so i see no prob in that
Jun 01 19:29:07 <hiemanshu> well its fun because I want to see why everyone likes droid so much
Jun 01 19:29:19 <Venemo> okay, nor Butterfly, nor Haze, neither Pecan accepts my password
Jun 01 19:29:21 <divodurum> theres nice applications for android which could be worth a try
Jun 01 19:30:11 <divodurum> if you have overclocked n900 and use nitroid for that android psx emulator you'll prolly get close to full speed
Jun 01 19:31:35 <Venemo> overclock? YUCK
Jun 01 19:32:43 <Macer> hm
Jun 01 19:32:59 <Macer> i am wondering if i should make the attempt to work on this cups stuff again
Jun 01 19:34:40 <divodurum> hey btw, i tried yoshis island on drnoksnes and clouldnt get it to start
Jun 01 19:34:49 <divodurum> only a black screen
Jun 01 20:00:00 <Venemo> hm
Jun 01 20:05:13 <Venemo> I added my facebook account to my voip and IM accounts in my N900
Jun 01 20:05:34 <Venemo> it retrieves photos for my contacts, but all of them are extemely ugly low-res crap
Jun 01 20:05:38 <alecjw> hi there, the card reader in my N900's died since i dropped it in the toilet. it does't show up at all in the file manager or in /dev. anyone know what might be worth trying?
Jun 01 20:05:51 <Venemo> alecjw, warranty repair
Jun 01 20:06:02 <alecjw> and my magnet isn't gone, although i'm starting to think maybe the magnetic sensor is
Jun 01 20:06:22 <SpeedEvil> alecjw: How long did you leave it to dry with the batteyr out?
Jun 01 20:06:43 <alecjw> Venemo: any more honest way of doing it? :P i doubt the warranty covers accidental damage
Jun 01 20:06:55 <Venemo> alecjw, just don't tell them about the accident
Jun 01 20:07:34 <alecjw> SpeedEvil: it was quite a while ago, so i don't really remember for sure. but i think it was about 24 hours. i sprayed the insides with IPA too just to make sure the last drops of water were gone
Jun 01 20:08:09 <SpeedEvil> alecjw: I'd want to dry it for a bit more - thought the IPA is probably a good plan
Jun 01 20:08:20 <SpeedEvil> Though IPA can kill some plastics
Jun 01 20:08:31 <jacekowski> i killed my laptop screen that way
Jun 01 20:08:35 <jacekowski> front part of it was ok
Jun 01 20:08:36 <SpeedEvil> The SIM works?
Jun 01 20:08:49 <alecjw> yeah, everything else works fine, it's just the SD card reader
Jun 01 20:08:51 <jacekowski> but somehow it got in between many layers deeper inside of lcd
Jun 01 20:08:57 <vldcnst> n900 and water, starting to become a trend
Jun 01 20:09:19 <SpeedEvil> Also - was this a 'pre' or a 'post' toilet?
Jun 01 20:09:21 <alecjw> this happened months ago, at the time i gave up and just told myself i was an idiot and would have to live without an SD card reader
Jun 01 20:09:34 <SpeedEvil> Oh
Jun 01 20:09:52 <SpeedEvil> 'my magnet is gone' - you mean it thinks the back is off?
Jun 01 20:09:58 <SpeedEvil> Then it will unmount the SD
Jun 01 20:09:58 <alecjw> the toilet hadn't been used since the last flush if that's what you mean :P
Jun 01 20:10:03 <SpeedEvil> Eww
Jun 01 20:10:07 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Jun 01 20:10:12 * SpeedEvil parsed that wrong.
Jun 01 20:10:38 <alecjw> the magnet's there, i can see it behind the stand whatsit
Jun 01 20:10:46 <SpeedEvil> Umm
Jun 01 20:10:56 <alecjw> but i'm starting to think the hall effect sensor or whatever it is might be gone
Jun 01 20:10:59 <Venemo> LoL
Jun 01 20:12:16 <alecjw> the fact that the SD card reader completely dissapeared from /dev rather than corrupting data and stuff seems to imply to me that it's something wrong with the sensor
Jun 01 20:12:47 <alecjw> or is that a silly assumption?
Jun 01 20:14:42 <SpeedEvil> no
Jun 01 20:15:10 <SpeedEvil> I'm tired - and not finding where the switch readout shoudl be in /sys
Jun 01 20:15:30 <SpeedEvil> it's not in /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/ wehre I'd expect it
Jun 01 20:16:04 <alecjw> ooh its in /sys eh? i'll have a look
Jun 01 20:16:30 <alecjw> or could /proc/acpi be worth trying?
Jun 01 20:16:36 <SpeedEvil> no
Jun 01 20:16:39 <SpeedEvil> It's not a PC
Jun 01 20:16:40 <SpeedEvil> no ACPI
Jun 01 20:17:03 <alecjw> good point
Jun 01 20:24:36 <alecjw> SpeedEvil: couldnt it be /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity?
Jun 01 20:24:43 <alecjw> it always says open for me
Jun 01 20:25:02 <vldcnst> alecjw: thats the front sensor
Jun 01 20:25:11 <alecjw> oh right
Jun 01 20:27:08 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jun 01 20:27:16 <SpeedEvil> /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch
Jun 01 20:27:21 <Venemo> anyone tried the app called Hermes?
Jun 01 20:27:38 <hiemanshu> is it possible to backup install of apps I have installed via apt-get and then reinstall them once I reflash
Jun 01 20:28:00 <Venemo> hiemanshu, yes, use the app called Backup
Jun 01 20:28:21 <Venemo> hiemanshu, make with it a new backup and check the option to save the app list
Jun 01 20:28:32 <hiemanshu> Venemo: ah cool
Jun 01 20:28:36 * hiemanshu is a new user
Jun 01 20:28:38 <DocScrutinizer51> hiemanshu: see my apt-get wrapper on wiki/user:joerg_rw/tools
Jun 01 20:29:14 <DocScrutinizer51> Venemo: might fail for apps installed via apt-get
Jun 01 20:29:32 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer51: cool thanks
Jun 01 20:30:48 <hiemanshu> I installed multiboot and it screwed up kernel-power settings, the installation should actually search for it and use it
Jun 01 20:31:00 <hiemanshu> instead of the default kernel
Jun 01 20:31:07 <DocScrutinizer51> see /topic
Jun 01 20:31:29 <DocScrutinizer51> it's there for some reason ;-)
Jun 01 20:31:45 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer51: I have seen it, but just a suggestion, if I knew deb packaging I could have done it
Jun 01 20:32:12 <DocScrutinizer51> hiemanshu: multiboot is fubar
Jun 01 20:32:25 <DocScrutinizer51> by design
Jun 01 20:32:43 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer51: what is suggested to be used then?
Jun 01 20:33:35 <alecjw> SpeedEvil: thanks! i just tried it and it is working. i guess i've wrecked my card reader then
Jun 01 20:34:04 <DocScrutinizer51> a baseball bat to make nitridiot devels comply with uBoot
Jun 01 20:34:08 <alecjw> don't suppose anyone knows if nokia can check for water damage?
Jun 01 20:34:54 <DocScrutinizer51> they can, believe me. But they may just not care
Jun 01 20:35:55 <hiemanshu> w00t, I managed to screw up my install :D
Jun 01 20:36:30 <hiemanshu> so everytime I flash I have to flash both the eMMC and fiasco image?
Jun 01 20:37:38 <DocScrutinizer51> no
Jun 01 20:37:52 <DocScrutinizer51> eMMC usually not needed
Jun 01 20:39:05 <SpeedEvil> alecjw: As far as I see it - the power supply to the mmc just goes straight from the main power managment chip.
Jun 01 20:39:31 <SpeedEvil> I'd wonder if a careful cleaning of the SD contacts - maybe bendin them out a hair - may help. Also - you have replaced the SD?
Jun 01 20:39:35 <divodurum> so, hey
Jun 01 20:39:58 <divodurum> if i want a working msn client, what-a-do?
Jun 01 20:41:51 <hiemanshu> divodurum: accounts-plugin-haze or something like that
Jun 01 20:41:54 <hiemanshu> that works for me
Jun 01 20:44:20 <Venemo> yo DocScrutinizer51, how're you?
Jun 01 20:44:37 <hiemanshu> so what the best way to resize paritions? edit the flasher image?
Jun 01 20:45:04 <alecjw> SpeedEvil: the card itself works fine, but i might try bending them out a bit. wouldnt the drive still show up in /dev and the file manager if there was no card in though?
Jun 01 20:45:46 <Venemo> hiemanshu, boot rescue initrd, enable usb host, then repartition using gparted or any tool of your choice
Jun 01 20:45:49 <DocScrutinizer51> eating
Jun 01 20:46:15 <hiemanshu> Venemo: is there a guide?
Jun 01 20:46:41 <Venemo> hiemanshu, it is non-recommended for anyone without proper expertise
Jun 01 20:46:55 <Venemo> hiemanshu, I'm not aware of a guide, but MohammadAG once guided me through it
Jun 01 20:47:09 <hiemanshu> Venemo: well I have linux expertise, and I am a fedora dev if it helps
Jun 01 20:47:09 <SpeedEvil> alecjw: Don't remember
Jun 01 20:47:19 <Venemo> hiemanshu, that is nice :)
Jun 01 20:47:37 <Venemo> hiemanshu, in that case, see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd
Jun 01 20:48:14 <Venemo> hiemanshu, boot this and enable its usb mass storage mode, and connect the N900 to your computer
Jun 01 20:48:29 <Venemo> hiemanshu, then unmount if your computer mounts it
Jun 01 20:48:41 <Venemo> hiemanshu, after this, launch gparted and do as you please
Jun 01 20:49:08 <Venemo> hiemanshu, note that the N900 is _UNABLE TO CHARGE_ while running the rescue initrd
Jun 01 20:49:23 <azilot> Hello
Jun 01 20:49:46 <hiemanshu> Venemo: makes sense
Jun 01 20:50:26 <hiemanshu> I dont know what I rm -rf ed by mistake
Jun 01 20:50:31 <Venemo> hiemanshu, also note that Maemo 5 has the partition list hard-coded, so if you want a new partition, put that to the end of the disk
Jun 01 20:50:34 <hiemanshu> but all I see on my screen are boxes
Jun 01 20:50:42 <Venemo> hiemanshu, what did you do?
Jun 01 20:50:59 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I dont know, I was removing some stuff from /home/
Jun 01 20:51:09 <hiemanshu> ah
Jun 01 20:51:16 <hiemanshu> I remove /home/opt by mistake :P
Jun 01 20:51:18 <hiemanshu> removed*
Jun 01 20:51:22 <Venemo> hiemanshu, oooops...
Jun 01 20:51:46 <hiemanshu> Venemo: thats cool though, I just got this device and messing with it
Jun 01 20:51:52 <azilot> i have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root.
Jun 01 20:51:57 <hiemanshu> its a seconday phone, so that is never an issue
Jun 01 20:52:20 <Venemo> hiemanshu, for me it's primary :)
Jun 01 20:52:35 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I have an iPhone as a primary phone
Jun 01 20:52:43 <Venemo> hiemanshu, lol
Jun 01 20:52:44 <hiemanshu> which is basically because I need music
Jun 01 20:52:52 <hiemanshu> and it works
Jun 01 20:52:58 <Venemo> hiemanshu, and N900 doesn't work? :P
Jun 01 20:53:06 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I just got it
Jun 01 20:53:11 <hiemanshu> Venemo: also well I game a lot
Jun 01 20:53:18 <hiemanshu> while waiting for class to start and stuff, I game
Jun 01 20:53:28 <Venemo> hiemanshu, I recommend tuxrace on your N900
Jun 01 20:53:31 <hiemanshu> so N900 doesn't do that really well
Jun 01 20:54:02 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I will install it soon
Jun 01 20:54:12 <hiemanshu> once I get this running again, its charging right now
Jun 01 20:54:21 <Venemo> hiemanshu, yeah, not too many games for Maemo 5
Jun 01 20:54:32 <Venemo> hiemanshu, I also recommend you my puzzle-master
Jun 01 20:54:42 <Venemo> hiemanshu, I've also packaged that for Fedora
Jun 01 20:54:52 <hiemanshu> Venemo: oh nice, I should try it
Jun 01 20:55:12 <divodurum> sure theres the emulators but tyou can get thm on iphone too
Jun 01 20:55:13 <hiemanshu> I had just finished porting a couple of my desktop apps for the N900
Jun 01 20:55:17 <hiemanshu> they are in PyQt
Jun 01 20:55:19 <Venemo> which ones?
Jun 01 20:55:51 <hiemanshu> Venemo: there is this xkcd game me and my friend made, it gives you alt text or a dialogue, and you choose the correct answer
Jun 01 20:56:29 <hiemanshu> Venemo: http://i51.tinypic.com/23hakp2.png
Jun 01 20:56:44 <hiemanshu> all I did was change the dimension and reorganize it for 800x440
Jun 01 20:57:24 <Venemo> hiemanshu, nice :)
Jun 01 20:57:26 <hiemanshu> and then there was the qr code generator
Jun 01 20:58:22 <hiemanshu> Venemo: https://github.com/hiemanshu/exkayseedee/blob/master/n900.py
Jun 01 20:58:38 <hiemanshu> I need to fix the code though, I wrote this quite some time ago when I was learning to code Qt
Jun 01 20:58:49 <DocScrutinizer51> Venemo: thanks, I'm fine :-)
Jun 01 20:58:54 <Venemo> I don't know a thing about Python hiemanshu
Jun 01 20:58:58 <hiemanshu> so there are some stuff I did in a stupid way, but well it works
Jun 01 20:59:00 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer51, that's nice to hear :)
Jun 01 20:59:05 <hiemanshu> Venemo: ah, C/C++?
Jun 01 20:59:10 <DocScrutinizer51> you?
Jun 01 20:59:25 <Venemo> hiemanshu, C/C++/C#/etc.
Jun 01 20:59:40 <hiemanshu> I know a little of C / C++
Jun 01 20:59:45 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer51, I'm fine too... I'm having a math exam tomorrow, I hope for the best :)
Jun 01 20:59:50 <hiemanshu> and a fat ass C# book sitting here in front of me
Jun 01 20:59:59 <DocScrutinizer51> good luck
Jun 01 21:00:13 <Venemo> thanks DocScrutinizer51 :)
Jun 01 21:00:48 <hiemanshu> Venemo: Professional C# 2008
Jun 01 21:00:52 <hiemanshu> about 1800 pages
Jun 01 21:00:55 <Venemo> nice!
Jun 01 21:01:05 <hiemanshu> never read it though LO
Jun 01 21:01:06 <hiemanshu> :P
Jun 01 21:01:23 <Venemo> I can also code some JavaScript for some occasional web dev and gnome-shell extensions
Jun 01 21:01:58 <hiemanshu> ah nice, I do webdev too :D
Jun 01 21:02:44 <alecjw> can someone remind me the device node for SD cards? i thought it was mmcblk0, but that's the internal memory
Jun 01 21:03:06 <hiemanshu> alecjw: mmcblk1 ?
Jun 01 21:03:31 <alecjw> ta :)
Jun 01 21:13:13 <hiemanshu> Venemo: is there rpm2cpio in the maemo repos or should I use my laptop for that?
Jun 01 21:13:30 <Venemo> idunno
Jun 01 21:17:19 <BCMM> my notification area has gone. what just happened?
Jun 01 21:17:50 <azilot> BCMM: and you can`t launch any program?
Jun 01 21:18:07 <BCMM> dunno; realised i hadn't tried rebooting so doing that
Jun 01 21:18:14 <BCMM> sorry, i can launch programs
Jun 01 21:18:22 <BCMM> well, i started xterm with the kb shortcut
Jun 01 21:32:38 <hiemanshu> Venemo: ok its resizing
Jun 01 21:33:52 <Venemo> hiemanshu, what are you resizing? and why?
Jun 01 21:34:08 <hiemanshu> Venemo: /home and MyDocs
Jun 01 21:34:18 <hiemanshu> Venemo: because /home is too small :P
Jun 01 21:35:26 <Venemo> I see
Jun 01 21:35:41 <hiemanshu> Venemo: well you told me about it, did you forget already?
Jun 01 21:36:00 <Venemo> I didn't forget that you asked about it
Jun 01 21:36:17 <Venemo> but you didn'say why you want to do it :)
Jun 01 21:36:19 <hiemanshu> ah ok
Jun 01 21:36:40 <hiemanshu> well I thought it would be understood, 2G is too small even for RAM these days :P
Jun 01 21:37:03 <Venemo> hiemanshu, sure
Jun 01 21:38:03 * hiemanshu should find a nice way to rewrite his other desktop apps for the N900
Jun 01 21:40:38 <BCMM> anyone know what "is_cool = 0" does? (transitions.ini)
Jun 01 21:48:52 <GAN900> Makes it cool.
Jun 01 21:48:59 <GAN900> Right now, yours sucks.
Jun 01 21:50:06 <hiemanshu> hah
Jun 01 21:51:33 <_trine> what causes rootfs to fill up apart from the obvious
Jun 01 21:51:46 <Venemo>  _trine, the obvious
Jun 01 21:52:07 <_trine> for some reason roofs is full and I have not installed any othe rprograms
Jun 01 21:52:43 <_trine> the obvious being that it would fill up if you loded lots of new programs
Jun 01 21:52:55 <bernanke> why are there so many people in this channel?
Jun 01 21:53:07 <Venemo> _trine, new programs usually aren't stored on the rootfs => that is not the reason
Jun 01 21:53:11 <azilot> i have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root.
Jun 01 21:53:23 <_trine> Venemo, ah ok
Jun 01 21:53:39 <Venemo> _trine, programs are stored on the eMMC, in /opt usually
Jun 01 21:54:02 <_trine> Venemo, what do you think could have caused it and can I get some space back ?
Jun 01 21:54:18 <Venemo> _trine, what is the output of 'df -h'
Jun 01 21:55:06 <Venemo> _trine, also, which firmware version do you have?
Jun 01 21:55:47 <_trine> Venemo, how can I get the results of df -h onto here
Jun 01 21:55:58 <_trine> Venemo, pr 1.3
Jun 01 21:56:16 <Venemo> _trine, 'apt-get install pastebinit' as root, then 'df -h | pastebinit'
Jun 01 21:56:36 <_trine> Venemo, I cant do that
Jun 01 21:56:46 <Venemo> _trine, what? why?
Jun 01 21:56:47 <_trine> as I have no more space left
Jun 01 21:57:13 <Venemo> _trine, very weird. worst case, backup your data and reflash.
Jun 01 21:57:36 <azilot> type it manualy
Jun 01 21:57:48 <azilot> df -h is not verbose
Jun 01 21:57:48 <_trine> it happened after I was copying a large file to Mydocs folder
Jun 01 21:57:59 <azilot> maybe file cache?
Jun 01 21:58:12 <hiemanshu> Venemo: 10.5G /home and 17.5G MyDocs is perfect :D
Jun 01 21:58:17 <_trine> can I clear file cache
Jun 01 21:58:34 <Venemo> hiemanshu, congrats :)
Jun 01 21:59:03 <hiemanshu> Venemo: thank you for the guide :D
Jun 01 21:59:10 <azilot> Guys, can u help me with symlink issue?
Jun 01 21:59:11 <Venemo> hiemanshu, you're welcome :)
Jun 01 21:59:32 <hiemanshu> Venemo: I am dd-ing it to an image, so when I reinstall, I have it like this
Jun 01 21:59:53 <Venemo> hiemanshu :)
Jun 01 22:00:42 <hiemanshu> ok I should head to sleep
Jun 01 22:00:52 <hiemanshu> its 4 AM and I have a test at 9AM
Jun 01 22:01:27 <Venemo> hiemanshu, okay, sleep well & sweet dreams
Jun 01 22:01:39 <hiemanshu> Venemo: same to you mate :)
Jun 01 22:03:22 <_trine> I have just spent 2 days setting my N900 up and I dont really want to do it all again so does anyone know how to free up space on rootfs
Jun 01 22:03:36 <Venemo> _trine, what did you do to fill it up in the first place?
Jun 01 22:04:00 <_trine> Venemo, it must have been the file transfer to MyDocs
Jun 01 22:04:19 <Venemo> _trine, how could a file transfer to MyDocs affect the rootfs?
Jun 01 22:04:22 <_trine> but how that has filled rootfs is a mystery
Jun 01 22:04:53 <Venemo> _trine, I'm afraid I can't help you more until some more knowledgeable people like DocScrutinizer or MohammadAG come here
Jun 01 22:05:04 <_trine> but is there a way to free up space on rootfs
Jun 01 22:05:24 <_trine> Venemo, ok thanks
Jun 01 22:05:58 <DocScrutinizer> mr_jrt: please fix your connection and client, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-06-01.log.html#t2011-06-01T20:13:41. We'll ban you temporarily to protect channel, please /query any of the chanops ( /msg chanserv access #maemo-ssu list) - or just me - to remove the ban as soon as you got stuff sorted. We regret we have to do this, no bad feelings. good luck! :-)
Jun 01 22:07:45 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, can you help me with my rootfs problem please
Jun 01 22:08:17 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: as long as you're still logged in I strongly suggest to rm some junk files from /
Jun 01 22:08:41 <DocScrutinizer> if you're already in bootloop, it's getting really really difficult
Jun 01 22:09:26 <DocScrutinizer> odds however are that next boot will garbage-collect free-up quite some space in /
Jun 01 22:09:51 <DocScrutinizer> if that's not enough to make boot succeed, then you're basically screwed
Jun 01 22:10:32 <DocScrutinizer> unless you got some dualboot setup (e.g. meego / nitdroid) to clean maemo's rootfs from outside
Jun 01 22:12:29 <_trine> I have rebooted and its just the same
Jun 01 22:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> it's *possible* to fix things using http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd, but it seems only the most frustration-resistent hackers ever made their way thru that textadventure
Jun 01 22:13:08 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: is the same *what*?
Jun 01 22:13:21 <_trine> the rootfs is still full
Jun 01 22:14:02 <DocScrutinizer> well, if you can boot to a state where you can run some cmd to even *tell* rootfs is full, you as well should be able to delete some crap
Jun 01 22:14:22 <_trine> where would I look for crap
Jun 01 22:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> good question
Jun 01 22:14:35 <_trine> that would fill up rootfs
Jun 01 22:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> hard to tell
Jun 01 22:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> look at /tmp / dunnowhat
Jun 01 22:15:34 <_trine> I emptied tmp
Jun 01 22:16:35 <DocScrutinizer> du -x /|sort -n
Jun 01 22:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> will give some hints
Jun 01 22:16:54 <_trine> ok
Jun 01 22:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> beware however of deleting random files indiscriminately, some of them might actually be needed
Jun 01 22:19:44 <DocScrutinizer> many are symlinks to /home/opt or sth
Jun 01 22:19:55 <DocScrutinizer> so won't help to delete them at all
Jun 01 22:20:42 <azilot> DocScrutinizer: Is it ok, that i can`t create symlink in /home/user/MyDocs to /opt/modrana/tracklogs?
Jun 01 22:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> it takes quite a bit of common sense and experience to tell if you can delete a file or not, please come back here and ask, whenever you're unsure
Jun 01 22:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> azilot: yes, it's VFAT
Jun 01 22:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> only bindmounts will work there
Jun 01 22:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> VFAT doesn't know symlinks
Jun 01 22:22:31 <azilot> mm. So i have to put thi bind mount to fstab?
Jun 01 22:23:19 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, how can I type the pipe symbol
Jun 01 22:23:45 <DocScrutinizer> blue+ctrl
Jun 01 22:23:46 <azilot> press modkey and ctrl
Jun 01 22:24:23 <_trine> whats modkey
Jun 01 22:24:34 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 _trine
Jun 01 22:24:36 <povbot> Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard.
Jun 01 22:27:29 <Venemo> _trine, blue arrow
Jun 01 22:30:25 <_trine> http://dpaste.com/549411/
Jun 01 22:30:43 <bernanke> yes
Jun 01 22:30:53 <_trine> Nokia-N900:~# df -h
Jun 01 22:30:53 <_trine> Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jun 01 22:30:53 <_trine> Nokia-N900:~#
Jun 01 22:32:09 <BugBlue>  /etc/mtab is probably not correct
Jun 01 22:32:29 <azilot> DocScrutinizer: after creating bind (mount --bind /opt/modrana/tracklogs /home/user/MyDocs/tracks) i can`t use mass storage mode
Jun 01 22:33:15 <azilot> only flash card
Jun 01 22:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> azilot: indeed
Jun 01 22:33:54 <_trine> which folder holds rootfs
Jun 01 22:34:11 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: / is rootfs
Jun 01 22:34:45 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I have used winscp to access the phone
Jun 01 22:34:53 <_trine> so I can look around
Jun 01 22:35:06 <azilot> so, no other ways other than copy to MyDocs?
Jun 01 22:35:08 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: any idea why I can't boot with USB cable plugged in? recent, haven't installed anything new.
Jun 01 22:35:11 <_trine> where do I look? I can see th efile system
Jun 01 22:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> vldcnst: sorry, no
Jun 01 22:35:46 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: it gets to the dots animation than reboots with rapid yellow led flashes
Jun 01 22:36:18 <azilot> vldcnst: i have same issue. Tought, that it`s @feature@
Jun 01 22:36:44 <vldcnst> azilot: do you have power kernel installed?
Jun 01 22:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: I gave hint how to spot the hugest hogs on rootfs. Sorry I'm running short of better ideas
Jun 01 22:38:33 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: it's not like I give 3rd best advice first ;-)
Jun 01 22:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> ussually
Jun 01 22:38:59 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I did what you said but it didnt give me file sizes or anything the output was what I pastebined
Jun 01 22:39:33 <_trine> anyway its getting late here so I guess it might be better to try in the moring with a fresh mind
Jun 01 22:39:42 <_trine> morning*
Jun 01 22:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> it's listing the directories that are on rootfs, hugest last. You'll have to look into them to spot files that look fishy and fat
Jun 01 22:40:02 <_trine> thank you for your help
Jun 01 22:40:42 <MohammadAG> evening
Jun 01 22:40:50 <DocScrutinizer> also checking creation date might help
Jun 01 22:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> lo MohammadAG
Jun 01 22:41:36 <MohammadAG> o/ DocScrutinizer
Jun 01 22:41:43 <DocScrutinizer> new fat files are more likely to be cruft
Jun 01 22:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> azilot: vldcnst: you got a strange problem, I'd be interested in reading any news you find out about it. No ideas how to help ATM
Jun 01 22:47:47 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: I can replicate the problem with the charger too.
Jun 01 22:48:04 <DocScrutinizer> ok, one good point already
Jun 01 22:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> you got powerkernel?
Jun 01 22:48:23 <vldcnst> yeap, 47
Jun 01 22:48:40 <DocScrutinizer> modprobe -r bq27200
Jun 01 22:49:05 <DocScrutinizer> this module is known to break bme, which in turn will segfault and cause system to reboot
Jun 01 22:49:11 <vldcnst> not loaded
Jun 01 22:49:39 <DocScrutinizer> modprobe -r actually doesn't suffice, you should blacklist or simply delete the bq27200.ko module
Jun 01 22:49:53 <azilot> module not found
Jun 01 22:49:58 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, been worth a shot ;-D
Jun 01 22:50:20 <azilot> i have powerkernel to i think
Jun 01 22:50:38 <DocScrutinizer> lsmod|grep bq
Jun 01 22:51:30 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's called bq27x00 or sth
Jun 01 22:51:36 <azilot> bq27x00_battery 5264 0
Jun 01 22:51:36 <azilot> power_supply 7044 1 bq27x00_battery
Jun 01 22:51:41 <vldcnst> yeap, same as azilot
Jun 01 22:52:01 <DocScrutinizer> yep, roge module - blacklist, kill!!!
Jun 01 22:52:07 <vldcnst> blacklisting now
Jun 01 22:52:24 <azilot> how to blacklist?
Jun 01 22:52:45 <vldcnst> let's try a reboot
Jun 01 22:53:57 <licensed`> anybody knows how can i install ndrive on my n900? i have maps licences
Jun 01 22:54:19 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: dots, nokia white, reboot + vibrate and then goes into loop
Jun 01 22:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Jun 01 22:54:58 <azilot> i have loaded, but i think i have no powerkernel after reflash
Jun 01 22:55:05 <DocScrutinizer> I'd consider PK47 thoroughly fsckdup
Jun 01 22:56:21 <DocScrutinizer> PR1.3-cssu: lsmod|grep bq  ->nuttin
Jun 01 22:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> so this module is definitely not needed in any sane system setup
Jun 01 22:57:51 <DocScrutinizer> and the way how and why it breaks stuff when loaded is quite completely understood
Jun 01 22:58:22 <DocScrutinizer> I'm amazed it made it into PK anyway, even more it gets loaded by default
Jun 01 22:58:37 <DocScrutinizer> why it doesn't work to blacklist it is beyond me
Jun 01 22:58:51 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: silly me, I blacklisted bq27x00 but forgot the _battery
Jun 01 22:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> meh!!
Jun 01 23:00:34 <vldcnst> aaannd, no lift off. still the same problem
Jun 01 23:00:45 <DocScrutinizer> mention my name when posting a "fix" to tmo ;-D
Jun 01 23:00:58 <azilot> So, no other options to create smoething like symlink in /home/user/MyDocs and still stay able to use disk in mass storage mode?
Jun 01 23:01:12 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: when it's in that loop, the second I remove the USB cable it starts to boot normaly
Jun 01 23:01:20 <DocScrutinizer> I suggest rm /lib/modules*/*/*/*/bq27*.ko
Jun 01 23:01:22 <MohammadAG> what loop?
Jun 01 23:01:40 <DocScrutinizer> bootloop on pl47 when hooked to charger
Jun 01 23:01:55 <DocScrutinizer> bq27x00 crap module again
Jun 01 23:01:58 <Macer> damn
Jun 01 23:02:01 <MohammadAG> it's been a year since I've last went into ACT_DEAD
Jun 01 23:02:07 <MohammadAG> my device always boots up
Jun 01 23:02:09 <Macer> have to love how easily hackable a wii is
Jun 01 23:02:12 <Macer> :)
Jun 01 23:02:14 <MohammadAG> never goes into ACT_DEAD
Jun 01 23:02:39 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure if this is hen, or kp 42+
Jun 01 23:02:45 <MohammadAG> not bothered anyway
Jun 01 23:03:15 <SpeedEvil> Macer: The wii controller has a stm32, an accel, and bluetooth
Jun 01 23:03:34 <MohammadAG> the PS3's has a gyro, or 3
Jun 01 23:04:38 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, is there a file here at the bottom of this pastebin that needs to be deleted http://dpaste.com/549417/
Jun 01 23:04:41 <BCMM> BCMM_: is my notification LED working?
Jun 01 23:04:49 <BCMM> cool.
Jun 01 23:04:51 <azilot> vldcnst: i don`t have this issue now. Checked right now, power kernel is installed.
Jun 01 23:05:16 <vldcnst> azilot: lucky you
Jun 01 23:05:24 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, this one ? 296384
Jun 01 23:05:44 <azilot> vldcnst: i had it before reflash )
Jun 01 23:05:47 <_trine> is that the file length
Jun 01 23:05:53 <_trine> 296384
Jun 01 23:06:37 <DocScrutinizer> this all are directories, and yes that's the directory size in blocks afaik
Jun 01 23:07:09 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, there seems to be something at the end of that list with no name
Jun 01 23:07:25 <_trine> is that what I need to delete
Jun 01 23:08:06 <vldcnst> DocScrutinizer: I also noticed that when I press the power button (with the cable plugged in) the led fades twice (low>high>off low>high>off), is this normal?
Jun 01 23:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I'm a bit puzzled what all those /usr/* dirs do there, as most of them *should* be or contain stuff being on /home/maemo/usr or sth
Jun 01 23:08:43 <DocScrutinizer> vldcnst: not really
Jun 01 23:08:44 <_trine> DocScrutinizer,  was that to me
Jun 01 23:08:49 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jun 01 23:09:10 <_trine> should I delete them
Jun 01 23:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: sorry it seems to get late here, I'm actually out of good advice how to clean up a littered rootfs
Jun 01 23:09:41 <alterego> Anyone know if there are any repos containing qt scene graph?
Jun 01 23:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: no way, you'll kill your system by deleting those dirs
Jun 01 23:10:03 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, no problem i understand I am tired too
Jun 01 23:10:17 <_trine> can I ask you in the morning
Jun 01 23:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> ok, yw
Jun 01 23:10:36 <_trine> thanks
Jun 01 23:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> yw, np
Jun 01 23:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: check /var/log/*
Jun 01 23:11:49 <DocScrutinizer> everything there is probably safe to delete
Jun 01 23:11:57 <_trine> ok
Jun 01 23:12:00 <DocScrutinizer> or better move to MyDocs or sth
Jun 01 23:13:04 <_trine> theres not much in /var/log
Jun 01 23:13:07 <_trine> 5k
Jun 01 23:13:11 <_trine> only
Jun 01 23:13:36 <Arkenoi> ah. "instant messaing" in symbian anna is.. useless "microsoft communicator". which does not work even with msn.
Jun 01 23:13:42 <Arkenoi> idiots.
Jun 01 23:14:28 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: then nm
Jun 01 23:14:38 <_trine> ok
Jun 01 23:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> you might have run into some hickup of microB or whatever, have installed some not optified pkgs, dunno. There's zillion of possibilities
Jun 01 23:16:18 <DocScrutinizer> needs much closed more detailed dissection
Jun 01 23:16:23 <DocScrutinizer> not today though
Jun 01 23:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> maybe tomorrow somebody jumps up shouting "there's an app for that" :-)
Jun 01 23:17:01 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I could let you ssh into it in the morning if you have some time for me
Jun 01 23:17:19 <DocScrutinizer> might work
Jun 01 23:17:51 <_trine> I am ssh'ed into it now
Jun 01 23:17:53 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if I find the time though, let's talk about it tomorrow
Jun 01 23:18:00 <_trine> ok thanks
Jun 01 23:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: what's a qt scene graph?
Jun 01 23:34:29 <alterego> It's the next gen rendering pipeline/framework for Qt to render Qml
Jun 01 23:35:26 <alterego> Currently the QPainter approach is pretty inefficient, the scene graph optimizes the OpenGL rendering process to make QML a _lot_ more sleek :)
Jun 01 23:36:02 <alterego> But it also adds a hard dependency on OpenGL (& ES) 2.0
Jun 01 23:36:51 <alterego> So no software rendering, but still, wayland, qt scene graph & qml are pretty much the next big thing I'm waiting for :)
Jun 01 23:38:20 <alterego> Think I'll build it for my exo and N900 DE
Jun 01 23:38:52 <alterego> And see if Stskeeps wants to give me a sneak preview of his wayland on N900 work
Jun 01 23:39:59 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: thanks for enlightening me
Jun 01 23:40:21 * DocScrutinizer just got a hickup when reading 'wayland' - no clue why
Jun 01 23:40:27 <alterego> Heh
Jun 01 23:41:06 <DocScrutinizer> not that I really knew what wayland is - might be freudian dementia
Jun 01 23:41:18 <Macer> SpeedEvil: uhm? huh?
Jun 01 23:41:31 <SpeedEvil> uhm - huh?
Jun 01 23:41:42 <DocScrutinizer> Humm uh?
Jun 01 23:41:52 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Ah
Jun 01 23:41:53 <Macer> the whole thing about the wiimote
Jun 01 23:42:11 <SpeedEvil> Macer: I was answering an only peripherally related question to the hackability of the wii.
Jun 01 23:42:13 <Macer> sorry. was playing lego pirates
Jun 01 23:42:23 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Namely tha tthe wiimote is seperately hackable.
Jun 01 23:42:38 <SpeedEvil> Macer: 32 bit processor, bluetooth, accel, buttons
Jun 01 23:42:51 <Macer> what would i do with that? :)
Jun 01 23:42:53 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders if wayland is somehow related to L.P. by any odd chance
Jun 01 23:43:19 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Autopilot, ...
Jun 01 23:43:44 <DocScrutinizer> that's at very least explain why I got a motoric block to google wayland
Jun 01 23:44:19 <Macer> autopilot?
Jun 01 23:44:43 <Macer> what i am curious about is if there is an ssh app for wii
Jun 01 23:44:59 <Macer> but considering the highest res is 420p it isnt worth it
Jun 01 23:45:08 <SpeedEvil> A device to guide planes.
Jun 01 23:45:18 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: wayland is the X11 replacement ..
Jun 01 23:45:25 <Macer> i dont do planes heh
Jun 01 23:45:29 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I seem to recall Raster explaining why any alternative concept to X is prone to fail
Jun 01 23:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> as you'll in the end be where you started
Jun 01 23:46:52 <alterego> Most people are backing wayland, soI don't think it'll fail
Jun 01 23:47:21 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it will become a shiny duplicate of X, with all the same quirks
Jun 01 23:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> or it fails halfway to there
Jun 01 23:48:14 <Macer> SpeedEvil: i was talking more about the hb apps etc
Jun 01 23:48:22 <SpeedEvil> Macer: yeah - I know
Jun 01 23:48:43 <alterego> I don't think that's true at all
Jun 01 23:48:55 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I think there MUST be notorious L.P. involved in wayland
Jun 01 23:49:03 <alterego> X is full of garbage and isn't optimized for currently graphics hardware.
Jun 01 23:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Jun 01 23:49:30 <DocScrutinizer> oh well
Jun 01 23:49:31 <alterego> It's almost archaic :P
Jun 01 23:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, like ALSA, while PA is so shiny cool and new and way better of course
Jun 01 23:50:05 <alterego> Wayland is designed with current technology in mind, specifically hardware accelerated 2D/3D
Jun 01 23:50:19 <alterego> PA isn't a replacement for alsa
Jun 01 23:50:29 <alterego> They're two different things
Jun 01 23:50:34 * DocScrutinizer notices an insane desire for new concepts, just for the thrill of it, all over IT universe
Jun 01 23:50:49 <alterego> Well, I don't disagree with you there :P
Jun 01 23:51:03 <alterego> But it's fun, and sometimes good things appear ;)
Jun 01 23:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> most pf the time more good things bitrot while crap replacing them
Jun 01 23:51:44 <SpeedEvil> Isn't wayland an intermediary layer - one of which outputs may be X>
Jun 01 23:51:53 <SpeedEvil> I guess I might have misunderstood the presentation.
Jun 01 23:52:20 <SpeedEvil> Or is it assuming it will always be running on hardware, with no other windowing system.
Jun 01 23:52:26 <DocScrutinizer> and for the fun part: I'm using my PC to get work done, not for the fun of messing with new concepts to get those to do the things my last system was brilliant at
Jun 01 23:53:29 <DocScrutinizer> that's the L.P. approach I learnt to hate
Jun 01 23:54:15 <alterego> &Wayland will be especially important on mobile devices,
Jun 01 23:54:24 <alterego> X is just too big
Jun 01 23:54:29 * SpeedEvil lols.
Jun 01 23:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> "hey, we don't really get how X works and why it doesn't things the way we like, so instead of fixing things or simply *learning* how to do things right with X, we better invent a new thing Y""
Jun 01 23:54:44 * SpeedEvil looks at his 486/25sx/6M laptop.
Jun 01 23:55:14 <alterego> I'd research Wayland befoe you say things like that :P
Jun 01 23:55:32 <alterego> You have no idea the motivation behind it or the expertise of those developing it.
Jun 01 23:55:47 <DocScrutinizer> you better show me where X11 sucks before you try to lure me into wayland
Jun 01 23:55:48 <alterego> SpeedEvil: which didn't have  GPU
Jun 01 23:56:44 <alterego> I'm not qualified :P
Jun 01 23:57:03 <Macer> NO JOKE! I HAVE BEEN CHOSEN! CLICK HERE FOR FREE IPHONE!
Jun 01 23:57:06 <alterego> All I know is what people have been telling me about the performance.
Jun 01 23:57:06 <DocScrutinizer> meanwhile I am, Raster educated me
Jun 01 23:57:26 <alterego> And wayland is quicker :P
Jun 01 23:57:36 <alterego> And quicker is better in my book
Jun 01 23:58:11 <DocScrutinizer> sure it is, as it doesn't have al the stuff built in *yet* that makes X11 work everywhere flawlessly since decades now
Jun 01 23:58:39 <alterego> m'hmm ..
Jun 01 23:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> you arguably could accelerate X11 as well by stripping it down to the bare bones
Jun 01 23:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> and It probably still would be better than any new development that hadn't a chance to mature over decades
Jun 01 23:59:42 <DocScrutinizer> even when you strip it down
Jun 01 23:59:55 <DocScrutinizer> to be faster than whatever wayland or other stuff
Jun 02 00:00:45 <DocScrutinizer> the moment wayland will be on par with X11 feature and security wise, it simply can not be any better than X11
Jun 02 00:01:15 <alterego> And you know enough about X11 to say this?
Jun 02 00:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I learned by Raster making me think and do my own conclusions about how things work at the GFX front
Jun 02 00:01:32 <MohammadAG> afaik wayland was developed so you could control each frame
Jun 02 00:01:41 <MohammadAG> so it'd allow less dropped frames
Jun 02 00:01:58 <MohammadAG> of course, I love eye candy, but I still can't believe every major distro's dropping X
Jun 02 00:02:07 <alterego> vsync is one of the benifits of wayland
Jun 02 00:02:17 <alterego> Full compositing is also another.
Jun 02 00:02:28 <alterego> ubuntu is, so it must be good :P
Jun 02 00:02:45 <DocScrutinizer> and that does what exactly? make wayland faster and leaner??? naah
Jun 02 00:03:53 <alterego> It makes it more controllable and and predictable
Jun 02 00:04:04 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I have some way more attractive leisure stuff waiting for me than discussing another "we can do better than the old farts" issue
Jun 02 00:04:07 <MohammadAG> aka better eye candy to the consumer
Jun 02 00:04:09 <alterego> Besides it was developed by the DRI2 and AIGLX guy ..
Jun 02 00:04:21 <DocScrutinizer> so o/
Jun 02 00:04:30 <MohammadAG> alterego, ubuntu adopting something means it must be good now? :P
Jun 02 00:04:43 <alterego> MohammadAG: that was a joke :)
Jun 02 00:05:24 <MohammadAG> I realize that, hence the \:\P
Jun 02 00:05:28 <MohammadAG> escaped smileys ftw
Jun 02 00:06:17 <alterego> nVidia has no plans to support wayand, that's a shame :)
Jun 02 00:06:33 <MohammadAG> more reason for me to stay with X :P
Jun 02 00:06:57 <MohammadAG> alterego, which companies are supporting it?
Jun 02 00:07:01 <MohammadAG> besides TI I guess
Jun 02 00:07:08 <alterego> I think the benifits at least from my perspective are with mobility and media centric devices.
Jun 02 00:07:13 <alterego> Intel
Jun 02 00:07:34 <alterego> Removing the possibility of tearing?
Jun 02 00:07:35 <alterego> Win
Jun 02 00:07:37 <Macer> wtf is wayland?
Jun 02 00:07:43 <MohammadAG> Reducing game support?
Jun 02 00:08:00 <MohammadAG> you're a bit behind Macer
Jun 02 00:08:03 <alterego> Why would it reduce game support?
Jun 02 00:08:10 <alterego> OpenGL is still there.
Jun 02 00:08:11 <MohammadAG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server)
Jun 02 00:08:18 <MohammadAG> alterego, a good GFX chip isn't
Jun 02 00:08:31 <MohammadAG> with all respect to intel, their chips don't really cut it for high end gaming
Jun 02 00:09:18 <Macer> direct writing to the video hardware huh?
Jun 02 00:09:36 <Macer> i stopped reading once i saw "meego"
Jun 02 00:09:38 <Macer> hahahha
Jun 02 00:09:48 <MohammadAG> ...
Jun 02 00:10:41 <Macer> alterego: according to wikipedia... a serious win
Jun 02 00:11:12 <MohammadAG> oh well, we'll see, new things don't always end up bad
Jun 02 00:11:34 <alterego> They do if you're DocScrutinizer :P
Jun 02 00:11:42 <Macer> tell that to christians
Jun 02 00:11:46 <alterego> Hah
Jun 02 00:11:51 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 02 00:11:59 <alterego> Tell that to any religious nut :P
Jun 02 00:12:10 <alterego> Don't single out Christians :P
Jun 02 00:12:20 <alterego> Christianity is one of the newest religions :P
Jun 02 00:12:35 <MohammadAG> I wonder if there's a DBus signal tied to alarms
Jun 02 00:12:37 <Macer> alterego: which is why i picked it ;)
Jun 02 00:12:51 <MohammadAG> cause I'd love to remove the touch screen driver when my alarm sounds
Jun 02 00:13:00 <Macer> sounded a little better than scientologists
Jun 02 00:13:06 <alterego> MohammadAG: I'm sure there is
Jun 02 00:13:14 <MohammadAG> or probably the touch screen + mce
Jun 02 00:13:23 <MohammadAG> that way the only way to stop the alarm is to ssh in
Jun 02 00:13:28 <MohammadAG> or remove the battery
Jun 02 00:13:51 <MohammadAG> problem is, I can do the second while asleep
Jun 02 00:14:36 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: use alarmed "play-sound /dev/urandom" - also little chances to stop that with a few clicks
Jun 02 00:14:57 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, you don't know me
Jun 02 00:15:08 <jrayhawk> http://blip.tv/file/get/Linuxconfau-XAndTheFutureOfLinuxGraphics549.ogv for anyone not really familiar with why Wayland is a good idea
Jun 02 00:15:16 <DocScrutinizer> I know a solution to your roblem though :-P
Jun 02 00:15:28 <MohammadAG> I tried a 7.1 system, didn't help
Jun 02 00:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> waterhose and electromagnetic valve
Jun 02 00:16:12 <MohammadAG> can't do that in the next 5 minutes :p
Jun 02 00:16:23 <Macer> opengl es.. no network tansparancy?
Jun 02 00:16:26 <Macer> wtf? :)
Jun 02 00:16:41 <Macer> parency
Jun 02 00:16:54 <alterego> Macer, you can get net transparency using xephyr ..
Jun 02 00:19:08 <Macer> a little curious about the opengl es stuff
Jun 02 00:19:24 <User1042> hello!
Jun 02 00:19:31 <Macer> i would think opengl es would be a tad bit on the lacking side
Jun 02 00:19:37 <Macer> but then again.. who plays games nowadays?
Jun 02 00:20:18 <MohammadAG> Macer, having a good GPU helps sometimes
Jun 02 00:20:37 <Macer> isn't opengles missing certain instructions?
Jun 02 00:20:55 <Macer> i always assumed gles was more so for portable devices and a stripped down ver of opengl
Jun 02 00:30:37 <user0145> damn connection..
Jun 02 00:57:07 <troulouliou> hi for unknow reason the button that allow me to disable wifi has disepear in the bar menu
Jun 02 01:18:12 <BCMM> is it OK to remove maemo-installer-utils? is it just for preloaded nonsense like the foreca instaler?
Jun 02 01:40:25 <SpeedEvil> Hello! I get SMSs from an online service.
Jun 02 01:41:05 <SpeedEvil> These all come from the same number. Is there a way to have different notifications for different strings in the SMS?
Jun 02 01:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> haha, my T900 is on pinkdots
Jun 02 01:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> I consider producing a proper header for the video and applying for the next award for experimental art
Jun 02 02:00:01 <DocScrutinizer> let's see if OVI takes the 244MB .mp4 :-P
Jun 02 02:00:24 <DocScrutinizer> I'd *love* to share with you - made me LOL
Jun 02 02:01:21 <DocScrutinizer> alas I bet OVI will blow chunks
Jun 02 02:21:08 <GAN900> A friend of mine started turning his PDFs into PCM streams and "listening" to research papers at work.
Jun 02 02:22:23 <SpeedEvil> You mean text-speech?
Jun 02 02:22:28 <SpeedEvil> Or has he gone strange?
Jun 02 02:24:41 <GAN900> No, just placing a PCM header at the top of the file.
Jun 02 02:24:52 <GAN900> and listening to the raw data stream.
Jun 02 02:25:33 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Jun 02 02:26:02 <b-man`> lol
Jun 02 02:29:27 <SpeedEvil> Maybe he's just better than us, and can parse PDF.
Jun 02 02:34:31 * timeless_xchat is so happy noy having to worry about data fees
Jun 02 02:34:52 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 02 02:36:20 * timeless_xchat kicks n900 camera 
Jun 02 02:36:33 <timeless_xchat> "night mode" should mean *no* flash ...
Jun 02 02:38:02 * timeless_xchat snaps a couple of shots of the CN Tower for comparison w/ the n8
Jun 02 02:40:05 <timeless_xchat> ~seen andre__
Jun 02 02:40:13 <infobot> andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11h 40m 19s ago, saying: 'argh. I knew it!!!'.
Jun 02 02:40:56 <timeless_xchat> how's CSSU doing?
Jun 02 02:52:22 <jpinx> could anyone please give me the link to the PCSuite download for an XP I want to connect to my n900..  thanks, it is reall difficult to google in the n900 using deadslow gprs :(
Jun 02 02:54:17 <SpeedEvil> http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Ovi_Suite_webinstaller_ALL.exe I think
Jun 02 02:54:31 <SpeedEvil> http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/product-support/pc-suites/compatibility-and-download#31 is the page in question
Jun 02 02:54:44 <SpeedEvil> It's however 87M
Jun 02 02:56:33 <jpinx> thamks SpeedEvil ...  I will try to get it and hope the download auto resumes
Jun 02 02:57:47 <SpeedEvil> No fixed net at all?
Jun 02 02:57:49 <timeless_xchat> try wget?
Jun 02 02:57:52 <SpeedEvil> Wifi?
Jun 02 02:58:06 <SpeedEvil> Also - I suspect hte webinstaller may want to download more.
Jun 02 02:58:07 <timeless_xchat> the browser is unlikely to resume
Jun 02 02:58:12 <jpinx> 89711KBs :(  here goes
Jun 02 02:59:05 <timeless_xchat> it wasn't something we tested thoroughly
Jun 02 02:59:22 <jpinx> SpeedEvil: no wifi here ( remote in thailand mountains)
Jun 02 02:59:27 <SpeedEvil> jpinx: Ah.
Jun 02 02:59:36 <SpeedEvil> jpinx: What are you wanting to do with the pc-suite?
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