**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 02:59:56 2011 Jun 05 04:15:55 hiemanshu: maemo/maemo Jun 05 04:15:57 :) Jun 05 04:16:49 Macer: ? Jun 05 04:16:58 ah, Macer I found it :P Jun 05 04:19:06 ok Jun 05 04:19:13 the sdk sucks Jun 05 04:19:26 it is amazing that so many apps were even made Jun 05 04:19:46 but i am sure actual devs probably tweaked the hell out of their sdk Jun 05 04:23:22 ShadowJK: jacekowski: http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/en/gizmocommunity/photos/photo.html?groupid=12&albumid=15#photoid=329 Jun 05 04:24:24 compare: http://www.blockprojekt.de/wp-content/uploads/lectron1.jpg Jun 05 04:32:26 http://www.lectron.de/ Jun 05 04:35:45 wow. hi luke-jr Jun 05 04:35:56 how goes gentoo on the n900? Jun 05 04:36:47 haven't had time to touch it for a while Jun 05 04:36:53 and quite honestly, it seems N900 is dead Jun 05 04:36:55 as a platform Jun 05 04:37:20 I don't know what I'm going to migrate to :/ Jun 05 04:37:31 maybe we'll have another 5 years with nothing new Jun 05 04:37:38 like after Sharp killed the Zaurus Jun 05 04:39:41 heh Jun 05 04:39:53 i dunno.. maemo has the cssu stuff going Jun 05 04:40:04 sounds like you've given up hopes and dreams compared to others whom still persistently work to make N900 usable Jun 05 04:40:44 maemo has meego hackers edition going, maemo has people still willing to port hildon UX to meego, etc Jun 05 04:40:52 maemo isn't dead community-wise Jun 05 04:41:22 luke-jr: i almost gave up on it too but then i finally got my su8w working properly and haven't used my g2 in a month Jun 05 04:42:03 psycho_oreos: I never cared about Meego period Jun 05 04:42:11 psycho_oreos: just the hardware, which is obsolete now Jun 05 04:42:34 i was really close to ebaying it.. but even if maemo has a lot less support than it had it still beats the crap out of android Jun 05 04:42:44 i plan to get one used Jun 05 04:43:07 Macer: yeah, I still use it occasionally, but I don't see it going anywhere :/ Jun 05 04:43:31 luke-jr: i use it more than my android phone Jun 05 04:43:40 I don't have a phone. Jun 05 04:43:41 luke-jr, there hasn't been another device that will run maemo platform :) unless you intend to say something like android or moblin Jun 05 04:43:43 don't want one either Jun 05 04:43:49 i hope one day i can use such devices just like computers Jun 05 04:43:52 psycho_oreos: like I said, I don't care about Maemo. Jun 05 04:43:53 install os i want Jun 05 04:43:56 honestly android sucks compared to maemo and realistically... what does maemo need? Jun 05 04:44:09 psycho_oreos: I run Gentoo Jun 05 04:44:34 luke-jr: get a libretto Jun 05 04:44:41 wtf is that? Jun 05 04:44:51 tiny toshiba laptop Jun 05 04:45:03 7" isn't tiny Jun 05 04:45:06 way too big Jun 05 04:45:08 at least it used to be Jun 05 04:45:09 luke-jr, some bloke had debian on maemo, and no, not in a chroot environment. I don't know if the bloke is still working on it or not Jun 05 04:45:13 7"? Jun 05 04:45:20 psycho_oreos: I have Gentoo on N900. Jun 05 04:45:27 damn. last time i saw it it was like 4 :) Jun 05 04:45:27 Macer: yes that's what google said Jun 05 04:45:58 can't put that into pocket Jun 05 04:46:07 luke-jr, though you're not going to improve that? :D Jun 05 04:46:22 psycho_oreos: no, N900 is obsolete already Jun 05 04:46:37 depends what you mean Jun 05 04:46:52 luke-jr, obsolete without a successor :) Jun 05 04:47:27 nokia is going too Jun 05 04:47:31 no n950 with meego? Jun 05 04:47:33 :) Jun 05 04:47:50 Macer: Nokia went Windows, forget? Jun 05 04:48:08 nokia just ends i'm afraid Jun 05 04:48:13 no windows, nothing Jun 05 04:50:02 lol Jun 05 04:50:05 Windows = end Jun 05 04:51:06 when i heard win8 having tile-based interface used with vertial touch screen... yes Jun 05 04:51:17 pretty much end Jun 05 04:52:02 … Jun 05 04:53:07 s/vertial/vertical/ Jun 05 04:53:13 http://mobileoffice.about.com/od/mobilegeargadgets/gr/oqo.htm Jun 05 04:53:23 no. i didn't forget ;) Jun 05 04:53:35 9"? Jun 05 04:53:43 is that how large it is opened? Jun 05 04:54:03 oh. .9 Jun 05 04:54:15 thickness Jun 05 04:54:43 can't put that into pants pocket i'm afraid Jun 05 04:55:18 http://www.oqo.com/products/index.html Jun 05 04:55:38 that looks pocket sized Jun 05 04:56:59 only wifi? Jun 05 04:57:37 oh Jun 05 04:57:43 there is a way Jun 05 04:58:07 yeah Jun 05 04:58:11 adapter for it Jun 05 04:58:16 wow i want one of those Jun 05 04:58:23 that thing is a beast Jun 05 04:58:31 doh, adapter for it? Jun 05 04:58:37 yes Jun 05 04:58:53 some optional accessory according to the specs Jun 05 04:59:01 intel gma500 Jun 05 04:59:06 shared mem tho Jun 05 05:01:57 450g weight Jun 05 05:04:07 i cant find out where to buy one Jun 05 05:04:21 i want something smaller Jun 05 05:04:26 more like n900 Jun 05 05:05:40 oh. it won't be produced Jun 05 05:05:59 too bad that looks awesome **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 05:12:12 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 05:18:15 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 05:23:03 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 05:24:14 2011 Jun 05 05:54:58 any of you tinkered with the contents of osso-backup made backups? trying to find the list of applications that the user has previously installed Jun 05 06:54:11 it's a simple dir, with a applications.zip, that holds a /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/(catalogs|applications).backup "file" with plain text XML content Jun 05 06:54:16 HTH Jun 05 06:57:14 DocScrutinizer, thanks a million! I was barking up the wrong tree that whole time *grumbles*, I was constantly searching for that in settings.zip Jun 05 07:01:54 psycho_oreos: thanks you for pushing me at it. I mentioned to _trine lately how nice it'd be to have a "backup" publicly available, that has only applications, but then *all* available applications, so you could work around that annoying "install one app at a time, then wait 5min" issue in HAM Jun 05 07:03:05 just "restore" that public "backup", and select the apps to install from the multiple choice list that HAM is showing when called via backup-app Jun 05 07:03:18 I guess that issue isn't as bad as installing packages that are not publicly available :) you get a big list of packages that cannot be installed due to this or that after waiting for x amounts of hours Jun 05 07:04:01 can't follow Jun 05 07:04:08 prolly I'm tired Jun 05 07:05:56 psycho_oreos: could you rephrase please? maybe a real life example? Jun 05 07:06:31 well normally when one restores application list from osso-backup. the user gets prompted upon reboot that HAM needs to be turned on for restoring of applications. When the user does that, the user has to wait for HAM to finish checking individual applications that the user has installed and comparing that to the repository to see if its available before prompting the user the list of packages that cannot be installed or can be installed. The user clicks Jun 05 07:06:32 on what to install/restore however there's some applications that cannot be installed because they don't meet certain requirements. This is after several hours of waiting :) Jun 05 07:06:42 I was in the process of doing just that :D Jun 05 07:08:06 humm there was an application whereby HAM popped up to say this package is not installable due to blah blah case. Continue installing? and you get Yes/No question Jun 05 07:13:21 I can't quite remember the name of the package off the top of my head but due to the amounts of restore I have had to do and the last time I did restore which was not long ago I have some memories of it Jun 05 07:13:42 I think it was called nQapp or something, audiobook player/reader Jun 05 07:16:43 woot! caching all the apps so that I won't have to get hacked HAM to download as much on next restore (hopefully) Jun 05 08:24:13 wtf, Cordia banner? Jun 05 08:24:26 (hildon on meego) Jun 05 08:24:53 eh? Jun 05 08:25:41 psycho_oreos: thanks for stopping me before I invested time into this backup-all idea Jun 05 08:28:06 on tmo, there's ad banner for cordi Jun 05 08:28:36 cordia Jun 05 08:28:37 I think cordia is project to run gtk+hildon (maemo) on meego :P Jun 05 08:28:42 DocScrutinizer, sometimes the more I think of it, the more it makes sense for one to use backupmenu imo Jun 05 08:29:25 backupmenu is KING - kudos to robbiethe1st Jun 05 08:29:52 indeed Jun 05 08:31:11 now if it also would do on-board fiaskogen, it'd be just too good to be true Jun 05 08:31:47 * ShadowJK has new battery for his N810 Jun 05 08:31:55 third battery so far :P Jun 05 08:32:39 hmm, I swapped the old one against a "new" unused one from my spare, and reboots still happen Jun 05 08:32:54 The out of box charge is higher than fully charged 2 yo genuine nokia batt Jun 05 08:33:20 DocScrutinizer: Well, you're welcome to mess with it. There's a nice "t"(test) command area you can add whatever code you want to; make things simple. Jun 05 08:33:36 :-D Jun 05 08:33:55 robbiethe1st: I'm afraid I got NFC about fiascogen Jun 05 08:34:20 learned about its existence like 2 weeks ago Jun 05 08:35:22 for sure we'd not want to create the fiasco during backupmenu running, this should become a post-backup task Jun 05 08:35:48 triggered somewhere in system boot, or "cron"/"at" Jun 05 08:36:16 maybe even not at all on-board but on x86 linux? Jun 05 08:36:34 (sorry win/mac-users) Jun 05 08:38:36 maybe this one: /usr/bin/pnmtofiasco ;-P Jun 05 08:39:39 thought I got a complete SB SDK here, but no fiascogen or similar anywhere Jun 05 08:40:11 * DocScrutinizer wonders where this thing came from, and where it hides Jun 05 08:40:31 Well, the only thing I can say about this is that it'd have to be done at very low priority if the system was running: unzipping/zipping a large file will cause the system to be unresponsive, and sometimes crash it(I'm guessing when it doesn't send watchdog pulses fast enough Jun 05 08:40:44 I'm guessing the creation process would be just as demanding Jun 05 09:35:06 HI, any preenv users here? I installed asphalt 5, the games works but I can't hear any sound during the race/menus. Jun 05 10:05:31 "The epic Android thread" not so epic anymore. Jun 05 10:06:24 What we need is a few more random rumours, then t.m.o will be super popular. Jun 05 10:20:23 Ex-Opesa, dunno if it's usefull but "some" programs can't output sound in silent mode on N900 / Maemo 5. Took me quite some time to figure out why audible navigation would not say anything ;-) Jun 05 10:38:40 sleibt, My mobile is not on silent mode. Normal as usual. Jun 05 10:45:30 Ex-Opesa, "unfortunate" as it's the only suggestion I had... Jun 05 10:46:17 sleibt, its okay. :) Jun 05 11:29:43 wow Jun 05 11:30:08 it's so weird seeing my N810 hit 800mAh charge and still far from full Jun 05 11:32:02 how would you reset kbd controller of a laptop without powercycling or suspending? Jun 05 11:35:42 cosmic rays Jun 05 11:36:07 won't help to reset Jun 05 11:36:38 is there any rmmod or somesuch? Jun 05 11:38:02 DocScrutinizer: is it a USB kb? Jun 05 11:38:12 does you laptop have PS/2 ports? Jun 05 11:38:17 also, what sorta reset? Jun 05 11:38:24 no Jun 05 11:38:48 ShadowJK, I think all touchpads are PS/2 Jun 05 11:38:52 using crappy usb kbd now Jun 05 11:39:07 or recognized as that Jun 05 11:39:22 MohammadAG, I just want to know if he has external ports or not Jun 05 11:39:32 no Jun 05 11:40:40 it's mostly reset at boot by the bios anyway Jun 05 11:41:36 these things are like multifunction chips that start emulating the old historic dedicated chips once initialized? Jun 05 11:43:25 'funny' is both tp and kbd freeze same time Jun 05 11:46:33 meh Jun 05 11:46:35 o/ Jun 05 11:47:25 Hello ... i ve revived my n810 :) Jun 05 11:48:41 does there is a qt version of n810 that support qml ? Jun 05 11:49:52 Khertan_n810, there's no 4.6, so there's no 4.7 Jun 05 11:50:03 ouch Jun 05 11:52:01 qml could be the way to use qt without hikdonization, isn't it ? Jun 05 11:52:17 yes Jun 05 11:55:57 it s funny to see that ham is really faster on Diablo Jun 05 11:56:39 Khertan_n810, \o Jun 05 11:56:48 * lcuk uses his n810 regularly Jun 05 11:57:48 * Khertan_n810 revive his n810 ... repair screen connector Jun 05 11:58:36 and now i m thinking ... who i prefere the n810 screen size Jun 05 11:58:51 s/who/whao Jun 05 11:59:18 how come i can browse shared folders on the same network from media player? Jun 05 12:00:10 this is very weird] Jun 05 12:00:20 upnp sharing Jun 05 12:00:49 hmm.. but why from the media plsyer Jun 05 12:00:57 player* Jun 05 12:01:11 because that's what upnp is meant from Jun 05 12:01:36 media sharing Jun 05 12:02:03 hmm.. nice Jun 05 12:05:02 hi, how to install tcpdump in maemo 1.3? Jun 05 12:06:12 I've added freemantle-tools repo but still nothing Jun 05 12:07:16 have you refreshed the lists? Jun 05 12:07:23 yes Jun 05 12:07:32 and it's a fresh install Jun 05 12:08:02 actually the one in tools is older than the one in free Jun 05 12:08:12 ... "free"? Jun 05 12:08:40 ah I get it with apt-get Jun 05 12:08:44 I'll try to install it Jun 05 12:08:56 Yes it wont show in application manager Jun 05 12:09:40 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages Jun 05 12:09:54 it won't show with a stock setup HAM :) Jun 05 12:16:09 thanks for the help Jun 05 12:23:03 1400mAh from battery low to full charge on my new Pisen N810 battery :) Jun 05 12:23:22 that's more than genuine nokia battery last time Jun 05 12:57:58 Khertan_n810, QBadgeButton looks interesting, I might use it in a QListWidgetItem (C++ though) Jun 05 12:58:06 so thanks for that :) Jun 05 12:58:15 hehe Jun 05 12:58:21 it s not perfect Jun 05 12:58:33 but it didn t look too bad Jun 05 12:58:57 it needs more white in the red gradient Jun 05 12:59:26 oh you think ? Jun 05 12:59:38 yeah, I use facebook for iOS a lot :P Jun 05 13:00:24 hehe Jun 05 13:03:33 Khertan_n810, http://i52.tinypic.com/ke6jrr.jpg Jun 05 13:05:40 indeed Jun 05 13:06:23 it s take me less time to do it with qwidget than qml Jun 05 13:07:21 it s took me 15min to do it in qwidget and 4 hours in qml Jun 05 13:07:35 and it s not working well in qml Jun 05 13:09:46 * alterego just discovered ctrl+o in microb Jun 05 13:12:49 Khertan_n810, lol Jun 05 13:13:32 how does PyQt get around /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qpainter.h:534: error: ‘QPainter::QPainter(const QPainter&)’ is private ? Jun 05 13:13:41 I see you passing QPainter in one function Jun 05 13:14:57 Python wraps everythin in pointers Jun 05 13:15:25 A pyobject isn't merely a QObject, it's a QObject pointer wrapped in a Python binding Jun 05 13:16:01 pointers, right Jun 05 13:16:22 I usually use QPainter as an object, but it's actually a pointer in a delegate :P Jun 05 13:23:40 thumbnailitemdelegate.cpp:77: error: passing ‘const ThumbnailItemDelegate’ as ‘this’ argument of ‘void ThumbnailItemDelegate::drawBadge(QPainter*, int, int, int, QString, QBrush)’ discards qualifiers wtf Jun 05 13:23:48 I'm not even passing this Jun 05 13:24:22 Can you like me the source file Jun 05 13:25:38 link ... Jun 05 13:26:13 http://pastie.org/private/2fdzkgch4t72fc7ftxmwcq Jun 05 13:27:20 Hrm Jun 05 13:27:38 Oh right Jun 05 13:27:49 it's a translation of http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/qbadgebutton_a_qpushbutton_with_a_badge_counter , sort of Jun 05 13:28:45 line 59 is the one erroring out Jun 05 13:30:07 Yes, I gathered that Jun 05 13:30:19 But I can't see why it thinks it's a const pointer Jun 05 13:30:25 Anyway, just do a cast Jun 05 13:30:32 (QPainter*)painter Jun 05 13:30:38 when passing the paramter. Jun 05 13:31:18 Oh I see, it's a const _function_ .. Jun 05 13:31:55 paint(...) const Jun 05 13:32:32 You need to make drawBadge(..) const also Jun 05 13:32:53 thanks Jun 05 13:33:07 So forget what I said about casting the painter object ;) Jun 05 13:34:17 This is weird. My n900 didn't have sound on Asphalt 5 and now even Bubble Bash (newly installed) don't got it. Any fix for this guys? Jun 05 13:35:41 Turn off & on Jun 05 13:36:23 Restarting n900 would help, you mean? Jun 05 13:36:47 Yes Jun 05 13:37:09 Any reason behind that? Jun 05 13:37:19 I am restarting though. Jun 05 13:37:55 It's worked for me in the past. Jun 05 13:40:56 It didn't work. NFSU got sound though. :S Jun 05 13:41:09 Also Asphalt5's intro video has sound. Jun 05 13:42:27 Angry Birds also has sound. Jun 05 13:43:45 good morning Jun 05 13:44:26 G'Morning, Venemo. Jun 05 13:44:35 hi Ex-Opesa :) Jun 05 13:45:33 How are you doing? Jun 05 14:03:36 Really enjoying using this exo pc :) Jun 05 14:04:25 Now I can start working on some of these cool projects I've got in mind for larger touch screen devices. Jun 05 14:05:07 alterego: does it run meego ? Jun 05 14:05:21 if yes does qt is themed ? Jun 05 14:06:39 I'm running ubuntu 11.04 Jun 05 14:07:12 I've run meego on it (came with a relatively old version pre installed, also used the wetab os, which is quite neat. Jun 05 14:07:46 But my development will probably just using qml on top of Ubuntu until I've prototyped my UX, then I'll work on a meego instance.# Jun 05 14:08:21 so good luck with qml :) Jun 05 14:08:38 I'm not going to be using handset or tablet ux, need to develop my own ;) Jun 05 14:08:49 I've been using qml for ages :P Jun 05 14:09:25 i ll wait qml 2.0 before doing other try Jun 05 14:09:43 I don't have that luxury :P Jun 05 14:10:03 I've been developing the qml reference dialer application for meego btw Jun 05 14:10:15 i didn t have it too Jun 05 14:10:31 so, it seems someone decided to fake a score on my hi-score system already :/ Jun 05 14:11:05 lame Jun 05 14:11:28 but as doing syntax hilighting isn t doable yet with qml, as many part aren't working on maemo Jun 05 14:12:45 each time i try to do something with qml i got bugs, limitations and slow result on n900, i ll wait 2.0 Jun 05 14:15:02 Ah, you don't use meeego then ;) Jun 05 14:15:09 no Jun 05 14:15:45 and meego is definitively not a target for me Jun 05 14:15:52 no theme on qt Jun 05 14:15:59 problem with qml Jun 05 14:16:08 it s a NoGo Jun 05 14:16:43 Meh, fixed in 1.3 ;P Jun 05 14:17:11 what qt theme or all qml bugs ? Jun 05 14:17:35 I imagine most of your issues Jun 05 14:17:50 qwidget is deprecated Jun 05 14:18:01 qml is immature Jun 05 14:18:14 try to do syntax highlighting on text Jun 05 14:18:28 try playing sound in loop Jun 05 14:18:37 m'hmm Jun 05 14:18:55 That's where you use C++ Jun 05 14:19:00 I agree that QML is immature tbh Jun 05 14:19:04 Or submit fixes Jun 05 14:19:14 try to do fast listview with a bit more complex display Jun 05 14:19:16 I think it's, erm, adolescent :) Jun 05 14:19:34 I wouldn't say immature as much as it's almost there# Jun 05 14:19:35 i ll call it baby Jun 05 14:19:54 And we need more people to help extend it into different use cases. Jun 05 14:20:13 It's not really enough to just give up and moan about it. Get involved and help shape it Jun 05 14:20:34 alterego ? almost ? if all you need is display rectangle or image with iphonic animation, yes it s ready Jun 05 14:21:07 i m sorry but i didn t have enought time to help to make it working Jun 05 14:21:18 i ve enough to do with my own project Jun 05 14:21:29 I think you think QML is supposed to do everything qwidgets do, but it's not Jun 05 14:21:46 qt-components implements widget set Jun 05 14:21:50 exactly ... so why deprecated qwidget Jun 05 14:22:03 Anything specialised you have to implement yourself just like you do with qwidget. Jun 05 14:22:03 qt-component ? which one ? Jun 05 14:22:11 [16:18] qwidget is deprecated <- oO Jun 05 14:22:21 how come? Jun 05 14:22:24 trx: it's deprecated in Qt5 Jun 05 14:22:35 It's being replaced with qml2 Jun 05 14:22:42 yep but implementing hilighting on textedit is as slow as a ahsmatic moskito Jun 05 14:22:47 oh, i wasnt aware of that Jun 05 14:23:06 so no it s not ready for everything Jun 05 14:23:09 Khertan_n810 dont user textedit Jun 05 14:23:15 ? Jun 05 14:23:20 draw your own control Jun 05 14:23:24 lol Jun 05 14:23:33 Khertan_n810: I agree with you really, but it's more supposed to be a glue and animation framework to seperate logic and make it easier to develop different UXs for different display profiles, when binding together your customer C++ components. Jun 05 14:23:38 dont use* Jun 05 14:23:44 and why not do you own framework ? Jun 05 14:24:01 no need Jun 05 14:24:07 custom .. Jun 05 14:24:19 altergo: it s worse ... it s require to design a ui for each device, plateform Jun 05 14:24:32 check txpad, it has a custom control for text editing Jun 05 14:24:39 Khertan_n810: not really. Jun 05 14:24:44 no problems with syntax higlighting Jun 05 14:25:04 txpad do syntax hilighting ? Jun 05 14:25:07 If you do it write you can write a single qml app that runs across multiple verticals Jun 05 14:25:15 Khertan_n810 and code folding Jun 05 14:25:24 (not all languages supported atm) Jun 05 14:25:59 txpad use qwidget Jun 05 14:26:19 not exactly Jun 05 14:26:35 it uses its own methods for text controls Jun 05 14:26:42 and those use LCL from Lazarus Jun 05 14:27:12 so when qwidget gets deprecated, it is simply replaced in the LCL interface Jun 05 14:27:48 basicaly, it only uses qt to draw the controls on the screen and interface with it Jun 05 14:28:13 i can use also pygment but displaying result in qml is slow Jun 05 14:28:39 while it s not with a qtextedit Jun 05 14:29:09 never heard of pygment Jun 05 14:29:19 its a highlighing framework or what? Jun 05 14:29:29 exactly Jun 05 14:31:26 i am very satisfied with highlighting i have Jun 05 14:31:50 but to implement code folding for more languages takes time Jun 05 14:31:53 and i m too on khteditor Jun 05 14:31:58 it should have been simpler Jun 05 14:32:06 but it is what it is.. Jun 05 14:32:11 :) Jun 05 14:32:15 :) Jun 05 14:32:46 i m just angry by the future of qt Jun 05 14:32:55 qml is a pain Jun 05 14:33:05 never tried qml myself Jun 05 14:33:36 it s took 20 or 50 more time to do something worse than with qwidget Jun 05 14:33:48 that sucks Jun 05 14:34:02 yeah Jun 05 14:34:19 why did they go that way, will it have improvements over QWidget eventualy? Jun 05 14:34:22 and many things are missing, not yet ready or buggy Jun 05 14:34:43 why did they switch for wp7 Jun 05 14:34:51 good point.. Jun 05 14:35:18 gtk is almost inexistant now for mobile dev Jun 05 14:35:42 qt will become an ugly webruntime Jun 05 14:35:52 which choice now Jun 05 14:37:09 deprecated doesn't mean won't work Jun 05 14:38:07 it s mean won t work Jun 05 14:38:17 It means bugs don't tend to get fixed. Jun 05 14:38:20 no theme for apps Jun 05 14:38:24 So over time... Jun 05 14:39:04 Khertan_n810, nope Jun 05 14:39:11 QHttp works, but it's deprecated Jun 05 14:39:49 yeah but without theme on qt apps you cqn t use qwidget Jun 05 14:40:10 and what will be the future Jun 05 14:40:15 using qml Jun 05 14:40:30 there littraly are no themes for qt apps? Jun 05 14:40:36 nope Jun 05 14:40:55 damn, that adds much more work to port Jun 05 14:41:02 current apps Jun 05 14:41:04 look like the same when you run qt app qs root on maemo Jun 05 14:41:11 no theme Jun 05 14:41:17 no kinetic scroll Jun 05 14:41:25 no rotation Jun 05 14:41:39 MeeGo will have a Qt theme Jun 05 14:41:39 and many other things like that Jun 05 14:41:44 damn kinectic scroll, i hate that thing Jun 05 14:41:52 are you sure ? Jun 05 14:41:53 i had to reinvent kinetic scrolling Jun 05 14:41:59 for my controls Jun 05 14:42:01 they said no Jun 05 14:43:19 trx indeed i ve reinvent some part too Jun 05 14:43:55 who said no Jun 05 14:44:08 cause the theme exists but was disabled Jun 05 14:44:15 -style meegotouch when they get it working again Jun 05 14:44:29 some guys on #qt-arm Jun 05 14:44:34 didn t remember Jun 05 14:45:18 ask on #meego-arm Jun 05 14:46:25 i got similar answer if i remember well Jun 05 14:48:45 hum meegotouch style didn t seem to works on meego de Jun 05 14:49:20 it s even worse Jun 05 14:49:56 take this to #meego-arm Jun 05 14:50:07 #maemo isn't the right place for MeeGo's stuff :p Jun 05 14:50:56 indeed Jun 05 14:51:30 but the main problem was how to do soft that work truely multi plateform Jun 05 14:52:03 html5 + python + a stupid loader seems the only answer Jun 05 14:52:09 the only way i see is to create a custom theme Jun 05 14:52:15 and use it Jun 05 14:52:30 everywere, so it will be independent Jun 05 14:52:35 but that sucks Jun 05 15:11:48 hmm Jun 05 15:11:53 bill gates wants to force uefi on arm Jun 05 15:11:57 for windows 8 Jun 05 15:12:08 so that's how they want to do it. Jun 05 15:12:21 uefi? Jun 05 15:12:38 EFI "2" Jun 05 15:12:51 doesn't ring any bells Jun 05 15:13:02 extensible firmware interface Jun 05 15:13:03 that is because you haven't bought any sandy bridge platform yet ;) Jun 05 15:13:05 u for unified Jun 05 15:13:46 ~= BIOS 2.0 Jun 05 15:15:00 this will be interesting to follow, as ms still has much more "persuasion" than meego, linaro, etc. Jun 05 15:15:46 or maybe not. Jun 05 15:15:52 interesting times ahead. Jun 05 15:17:53 without any ARM based products, MeeGo won't really go anywhere, so no wonder MS has more "persuasion" Jun 05 15:18:15 I'm not talkinga bout the kind of influence that needs product Jun 05 15:18:19 *products Jun 05 15:18:24 e.g. Linaro won't have products Jun 05 15:19:11 (where product is shipping consumer device; ofc they have other kinds of products) Jun 05 15:19:46 rather, this is about standarization. Jun 05 15:20:25 who will settle the PC-like reference standard that everyone will follow for the next decade? Android? MS? Jun 05 15:20:45 SHR! Jun 05 15:21:45 * javispedro bets MS. But tightly followed by my second option, "No one". Jun 05 15:28:57 <_trine> Is there a way I can open 2 or 3 terminals at the same on the N900 ? Jun 05 15:29:32 _trine: yeah, open the app multiple times, it should open in a new terminal Jun 05 15:30:22 <_trine> when I try that it just comes back to the same terminal Jun 05 15:30:40 just use screen Jun 05 15:30:46 opens up in a new one for me Jun 05 15:31:08 and setup .screenrc to make switching terminals easier Jun 05 15:31:22 _trine: oh you have to click the name X Terminal on top Jun 05 15:31:24 and hit new Jun 05 15:31:32 <_trine> I tried apt-get install screen and there wasnt one Jun 05 15:31:54 _trine: ^ Jun 05 15:32:08 <_trine> hiemanshu, you are right Jun 05 15:32:20 <_trine> I can choose new Jun 05 15:32:29 yeah, and it should open a new one Jun 05 15:32:44 <_trine> yes it does thanks Jun 05 15:33:24 <_trine> I did not find screen,, has anyone else got screen on their n900 Jun 05 15:35:12 <_trine> does anyone use faircrack here Jun 05 15:35:41 <_trine> there does not seem to be a way to use deauth Jun 05 15:35:55 hmm, screen is really missing Jun 05 15:36:04 usually I use it remotely so I never thought about it much Jun 05 15:36:39 screen is there Jun 05 15:36:48 It's in one of the repos I have enabled - I forget Jun 05 15:38:07 http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ Jun 05 15:38:14 its in the extras-devel Jun 05 15:38:33 weird, I think I'm using it Jun 05 15:44:36 hi, is the power kernel capable of kexec-ing another kernel or to be kexec-ed? Jun 05 15:50:23 Hi, first of all: hats off to all the devs of the most polished Debian I have ever seen! I love it! Now for the question: Where do i start looking if i get a memory leak/cpu boom as soon as i click on reply in 'modest', but only in one mail, and not the others (afaik). I'm running extra's, and I have had testing enabled for a second, to install strongswan (which was later purged). Jun 05 15:53:49 magnetophon, might play with the newer version in the CSSU Jun 05 15:53:55 ~cssu Jun 05 15:53:55 rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jun 05 15:55:55 GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features doesn't mention modest. Are you saying this is a known bug? Jun 05 16:04:29 magnetophon, couldn't say offhand, but it's probable Jun 05 16:04:33 Modest is pretty sucky Jun 05 16:05:46 GAN900: Well, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog does mention modest, quite a lot. Not my bug though. Guess I could upgrade and see if it improves. Would you say cssu stable is as reliable as extra's? Jun 05 16:06:23 GAN900: and what don't you like about modest? What do you use? Jun 05 16:06:41 Modest Jun 05 16:06:48 But it's just badly put together Jun 05 16:07:05 CSSU is a bit less stable than Extras, arguably. Jun 05 16:07:16 But it works better than PR1.3. Jun 05 16:08:19 what do you mean by less stable but works better? Jun 05 16:08:45 and what do you suggest for mail on the N900? Jun 05 16:09:33 ah you mean more features but also more bugs, right? Jun 05 16:12:33 GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options doesn't mention any real alternatives to Modest... Jun 05 16:12:51 modest is a lot sucky Jun 05 16:13:01 the n900's implementation of it, at least Jun 05 16:13:13 nid0: so waht are the alternatives? Jun 05 16:13:16 what Jun 05 16:13:32 my alternative is my E90 running s60 3rd ed with Profimail Jun 05 16:14:21 wait, I thought maemo was the topic, and it only runs on n***, right? Jun 05 16:14:40 Right Jun 05 16:15:06 and 770 ;P Jun 05 16:15:25 magnetophon, CSSU updates don't go through the same QA as Nokia updates. There are lots of bugfixes, but also some experimental features. Jun 05 16:15:29 (but it wasn't called maemo then..) Jun 05 16:15:36 javispedro, aargh. Jun 05 16:16:08 does anyone have a good method of turning the n900 into a webcam, using the back camera? having issues with the gstreamer method Jun 05 16:16:38 so what's good for mail on the n900? Or: how do I find the cause of massive memory/cpu consumtion when i click reply in this one email (but not others) Jun 05 16:16:42 In principle, you could write a UVC gadget. Jun 05 16:16:46 Or convince someone to. Jun 05 16:16:53 That would be a compleelty generic way Jun 05 16:17:01 And would work with 'any' PC Jun 05 16:17:22 there was one already iirc Jun 05 16:17:24 k-mode though Jun 05 16:17:38 magnetophon: there are no good n900 mail clients. your choices are modest, claws, or easydebian and a desktop client. The last two are immensely difficult options to use as they arent hildonised Jun 05 16:18:17 pronto: did you try: http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam#Streaming_over_ssh_N900 Jun 05 16:19:31 magnetophon: video streaming over x11 fowarding? that sounds horrible Jun 05 16:19:37 i'll give it a try though Jun 05 16:20:57 nid0: so everyone is using webmail? or sold their n900? Hey man, I'm on my N900 honeymoon here, don't kill the buzz!! ;) Jun 05 16:21:23 claws is not for weak hearts Jun 05 16:21:30 I think most are just accepting the fact that the device has a crappy email client Jun 05 16:22:01 And there are some things that *could* be fixed, but no one cares Jun 05 16:22:28 it has new fancy UI with "tree view" in CSSU, but it still takes 4 taps to get to inbox! Jun 05 16:23:07 iirc there is WIP for QML-based all singing and dancing email client Jun 05 16:24:45 Arkenoi: Well i'm migrating from hotmail so i'm ALREADY in my inbox after 4 quick taps! ;) Jun 05 16:24:53 So, no ideas on the freak cpu/mem usage? Jun 05 16:25:45 tbh using hotmail with modest isnt too terrible as a lot of modest's suckiness is with imap rather than MfE Jun 05 16:26:03 well, you may use gmail web "optimized for iphone and android", it looks pretty nice on n900 Jun 05 16:26:10 but, i've never seen any problems with resource usage replying to messages Jun 05 16:26:59 nid0: i'm migrating TO imap! What are the main problems I should be watching for? Jun 05 16:28:06 well, the huge ones for me are lack of imap idle (modest should support it but Nokia in their infinite wisdom decided to remove the ability entirely rather than just make it an option) and total lack of the ability to set local folder subscriptions Jun 05 16:28:29 Arkenoi: one of my reasons for moving to imap was "big brother"... Jun 05 16:28:38 I also had a load of other annoyances and limitations, but its been a while since i've even had my work imap account setup on the device Jun 05 16:28:42 I also just can use modest jo get email notifications. nothing more Jun 05 16:29:37 I use sylpheed in little debian atm Jun 05 16:29:43 nid0: let me google that.. Jun 05 16:31:42 nid0: so imap idle could use less battery because it doesn't need to "ping " the server? or what's the big deal? Jun 05 16:32:11 nid0: just asking... Jun 05 16:32:15 imap idle uses more battery than intermittently polling the server, but it allows for new messages to be delivered instantly Jun 05 16:32:26 the fact that it uses more power is why nokia decided to remove the feature Jun 05 16:32:51 nid0: me likes :D Jun 05 16:35:16 does anyone use "eduroam" with maemo? Jun 05 16:36:29 eduroam settings are wildly variable between campuses. Jun 05 16:36:47 oh, didnt know that Jun 05 16:37:18 I couldn't get it to work here in austria although it seemed it was supported through the UI Jun 05 16:38:03 what's the configuration there? Jun 05 16:38:44 The info I have now (about the resource-bug) is not going to lead to a very useful bug report (i think). What is my next step in researching this? Are there email headers or something that I could attach to the bug-report? (so the Modest devs can find out what made that mail different) Jun 05 16:42:19 javispedro that's it http://www.zid.tuwien.ac.at/en/kommunikation/tunet_the_network_of_the_tu_vienna/wlan/eduroam/ Jun 05 16:42:36 nid0: did you mean subscribe to a folder as it is used here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP ? (the thunderbird waw) Jun 05 16:43:01 mer_ge: http://wiki.maemo.org/PEAP%2BMSCHAPv2 Jun 05 16:43:44 mer_ge: note that TU is on the whitelist, so it should work :) Jun 05 16:43:52 oh nice, havent seen the page before! awesome Jun 05 16:44:29 * timeless_xchat grumbles Jun 05 16:44:54 ham, apt-get and dpkg all hung when i asked them to remove 'katana' Jun 05 16:45:02 now apt-get autoremove is hanging Jun 05 16:45:28 how do i ask dpkg why it's hanging (short of using strace) Jun 05 16:45:48 a reboot fixes it, a killall doesn't Jun 05 16:45:56 happened to me on ubuntu a couple of times Jun 05 16:46:15 magnetophon: thunderbird and most mail clients support obeying server-side subscriptions and setting local subscriptions as well Jun 05 16:46:16 couldn't find a reason Jun 05 16:46:19 modest only does the former Jun 05 16:49:00 i want an oko 2+ Jun 05 16:49:08 i bet the damn thing will be impossible to find Jun 05 16:49:22 oqo Jun 05 16:49:59 oqo? Jun 05 16:50:07 the oqo2 that got cancelled? Jun 05 16:50:34 it was cancelled?? Jun 05 16:50:35 wow Jun 05 16:50:44 well.. there goes that then it seems Jun 05 16:50:48 damn that thing looks totally awesome Jun 05 16:50:54 http://www.oqo.com/products/index.html Jun 05 16:51:20 a damn shame Jun 05 16:51:46 Ummm Jun 05 16:51:49 Intel atom? Jun 05 16:52:34 yeah heh Jun 05 16:52:38 Ah - that's a chunky battery. Jun 05 16:52:39 nothing wrong with atoms :-P Jun 05 16:52:52 My n900 has lots of them in. Jun 05 16:52:55 True. Jun 05 16:53:07 But a MID with a fan is ... Jun 05 16:53:10 but that thing looks like it is pretty cool Jun 05 16:53:22 yeah. the fan kind of threw me off :) Jun 05 16:53:53 but the specs on that thing are awesome for its size Jun 05 16:54:01 yes Jun 05 16:54:02 plus the docking bay thing looks pretty neat Jun 05 16:55:17 that thing looks like it could seriously pick up if they actually make it Jun 05 16:55:37 i am curious if they actually sold a few of them because i could have sworn i saw on on ebay or amazon Jun 05 16:55:42 but that might have been a model 2 Jun 05 16:56:12 We are sorry to report that OQO Inc. is out of Business as of April 2009, OQO has closed. Jun 05 16:56:15 damn :) Jun 05 16:56:37 We are sorry to report that OQO Inc. is out of Business as of April 2009, OQO has closed. The "OQO Model 03" being marketed in China is a Fake/Clone. The website http://oqo.cc is NOT an official site. OQO never sold any IP to the Beijing based AudioTone. Jun 05 16:56:46 In april 2009? Jun 05 16:56:57 That was pretty ambitious. Jun 05 16:56:57 yeah Jun 05 16:57:02 i know :( Jun 05 16:57:09 too bad they started off during the economic collapse Jun 05 16:58:00 they had absolutely awesome hardware Jun 05 16:58:14 maybe i will try to get an older model 1 to see how it is.. but damn that 2+ looks like it seriously could have been something Jun 05 16:58:33 Or did they have awesome slides? Jun 05 16:58:35 maybe i can write a letter to dell to tell them to pick it up haha Jun 05 16:58:45 Well... Jun 05 16:58:57 With the upcoming oak-trail and ... thingies from intel. Jun 05 16:59:46 yeah :) Jun 05 16:59:53 it is a shame that the best things come to an end Jun 05 16:59:59 i guess if you are a start up things never work out anymore Jun 05 17:00:00 heh Jun 05 17:00:14 that oqo stuff looked great but they just didn't have the money to keep going i bet Jun 05 17:00:33 it was über expensive Jun 05 17:00:49 how much? Jun 05 17:00:54 $2400? Jun 05 17:01:18 i think for something like that i would pay $2000 :) a 1.8GHz atom in the palm of a hand is nice Jun 05 17:01:20 they did sell models with that price Jun 05 17:01:22 You've got all the costs of a notebook. Jun 05 17:01:43 And then 1.5* the cost as it's a small vendor, maybe 2* the cost as it's small volume, ... Jun 05 17:02:08 SpeedEvil: prices would have dropped as supply and demand would increase Jun 05 17:02:22 but they were around during the worst of the economies Jun 05 17:02:31 not when they started Jun 05 17:02:33 imho Jun 05 17:02:36 so their failure was already fated :) Jun 05 17:02:42 Macer: True. Jun 05 17:02:48 Macer: If they can hit volume Jun 05 17:02:56 javispedro: yeah but releasing stuff during 2009 Jun 05 17:03:06 only apple could pull that one off Jun 05 17:03:10 :) Jun 05 17:03:26 ok. i have to go. too bad about that oqo. that thing looks like it would have been pretty damn great Jun 05 17:03:32 i'd have bought one Jun 05 17:04:19 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OQO-02-1-5-32-GB-SSD-1GB-RAM-Verizon-NEW-/300563349211?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item45faf8bedb Jun 05 17:05:40 was the guy who wrote the password generator that gen'd "maemo" ever thanked? Jun 05 17:07:17 ...hmmm active digitizer Jun 05 17:07:19 * javispedro drools Jun 05 17:12:05 dammit, second freaking time, I rm -rf 'ed in the wrong dir :/ Jun 05 17:15:54 I dont know why im reminded of the openpandora when I look at that thing Jun 05 17:16:16 Does anybody actually have one? Jun 05 17:16:32 I like how it sort of dropped off the face of the planet when it started shipping. Jun 05 17:16:49 because it did exactly what Nokia might be going to do in af ew months Jun 05 17:17:00 release a long-due outdated gadget when everyone is already on the next generation. Jun 05 17:57:17 is there any alternetive flashlight application? Jun 05 17:58:27 whats wrong with the current one? Jun 05 17:58:54 it causes a bunch of wakeups Jun 05 17:59:11 i.e. decreases battery life significantly Jun 05 17:59:57 so i want a binary or a command I can simply run to turn on the leds Jun 05 18:00:29 ah, well I use flashlight-extra, never really had a problem Jun 05 18:00:42 slide the cover, and it asks me if I want camera or flashlight Jun 05 18:09:37 so silent Jun 05 19:24:48 anyone have http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/sharing-twitter-multi/ working ? it isn't popping up the browser when it says it would Jun 05 19:26:45 the biggest problem in the world Jun 05 19:27:13 any hope that there will be ever a stable, useful dropbox client for N900? Jun 05 19:30:29 /leave #maemo Jun 05 19:30:32 urk. Jun 05 20:28:43 it's been quiet in here lately Jun 05 20:28:49 \o Jun 05 20:28:59 it's weekend and summer Jun 05 20:29:42 On that topic. Jun 05 20:29:57 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5797734468/in/photostream Jun 05 20:30:57 I see no peppers in that pic Jun 05 20:31:26 I don't think I have any peppers. Jun 05 20:37:35 hmm, accessing music off the uSD should reduce load times right? Jun 05 20:52:39 SpeedEvil, wow Jun 05 21:09:03 :) Jun 05 21:18:44 how's mobile hotspot supposed to work? Jun 05 21:18:48 I have enhanced linux kernel Jun 05 21:18:56 I tried it but it doesnt work Jun 05 21:19:13 it starts.. after that my phone tells me theres no internet connection and tells me to pick a new one Jun 05 21:19:17 in that list, I can see the ap I created Jun 05 21:19:19 others cant Jun 05 21:23:16 actually now I get a hotspot failed to start Jun 05 21:38:46 is there a better video player? Jun 05 21:39:00 the default isn't bad but the zooming sucks :) Jun 05 21:39:45 does m5 have canola? Jun 05 21:40:21 Video player? Jun 05 21:40:29 yes Jun 05 21:40:33 You mean for not flash? Jun 05 21:40:43 Macer: try VLC Jun 05 21:40:50 yes Jun 05 21:40:57 oh.. vlc for maemo? Jun 05 21:41:06 didn't know that Jun 05 21:41:44 oh right Jun 05 21:41:52 i'm in here =) Jun 05 21:41:54 does canola even do video? Jun 05 21:42:05 but sure, it works under easy debian I think Jun 05 21:42:36 i would try to avoid easydeb at all costs ;) Jun 05 21:42:46 not sure why you would want to use the n series for watching movies on tho Jun 05 21:42:47 something about chroots Jun 05 21:42:55 aha Jun 05 21:43:00 why? it works fine Jun 05 21:43:09 i just have 4:3 avis Jun 05 21:43:18 that i would rather stretch out Jun 05 21:43:57 so small monitor tho Jun 05 21:44:13 I prefer using mine for music, photos and ircing Jun 05 21:44:23 and occasionally surfing on Jun 05 21:44:33 ff4 is somewhat a pain tho Jun 05 21:44:52 it isnt too bad on the go Jun 05 21:44:57 or at an airport Jun 05 21:45:15 i dont like lugging around a laptop if i dont have to Jun 05 21:45:22 no, not at all. considering having tabs and addons Jun 05 21:45:37 I much prefer my desktop i7 =P Jun 05 21:46:16 heh. i much prefer my television ;) Jun 05 21:46:25 but that doesn't fit in a pocket Jun 05 21:46:34 =) Jun 05 21:46:49 maybe i should carry around a portable projector and the av cables for the n900 Jun 05 21:47:05 could be cool Jun 05 21:47:24 heh Jun 05 21:47:37 ah well. let me see if there is a better media player Jun 05 21:47:50 mplayer works, and can do that. Jun 05 21:47:53 i remember canola being good but haven't used it since the n810 Jun 05 21:47:55 But it sucks more battery Jun 05 21:48:03 i am charged ;) Jun 05 21:48:14 charging Jun 05 21:48:48 * SpeedEvil needs to find a small boost converter to finish off his thingy. Jun 05 21:49:03 150mAh battery, 3-5V converter -> swap battery thingy Jun 05 21:49:25 I ordered a mügen power battery for my n900. amazing stuff Jun 05 21:49:25 huh? Jun 05 21:49:30 2400mAh Jun 05 21:49:46 doesn't it make it so you cant use your cam? Jun 05 21:50:20 you can Jun 05 21:50:25 you get another cover and everything Jun 05 21:50:32 it's just making tablet even bigger Jun 05 21:50:47 does it come with the cover with cam access? Jun 05 21:50:49 to the point where 9 out of 10 will mistake it for a brick Jun 05 21:50:55 haha Jun 05 21:50:59 instead of just 5 out of 10 Jun 05 21:51:24 i am not one to care for the size if it stays in use for 3 days without needing a charge Jun 05 21:51:46 http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/1000x500/e5c3f25dbe2a3021345b55270d5894a1/h/l/hli_n900xl_newdoor.jpg Jun 05 21:52:08 Macer: yeah, but no lid lock Jun 05 21:52:25 so you have to be careful with it, even more careful Jun 05 21:52:39 well, many phones have no lid on camera Jun 05 21:52:43 iphone Jun 05 21:53:14 jacekowski: that would explain the shitty cam on iphones then =) Jun 05 21:53:55 that battery makes my phone 7mm thicker tho, but there is a tighter fit with the new cover. and the hole into the camera is like a pit Jun 05 21:55:18 currently I'm keeping the extra battery with me at all times so when I run out of slim-battery power, I shut down and change to the bigger one. Jun 05 21:56:02 i just have solar powered charger Jun 05 21:56:16 that would be hax, where can I get one? Jun 05 21:56:21 maplin Jun 05 21:56:29 * SpeedEvil ponders a 8*AA back. Jun 05 21:56:43 D cells! Jun 05 21:56:43 6.4Ah Jun 05 21:56:53 heh Jun 05 21:57:06 ah i see Jun 05 21:57:15 so you keep the lid open by default? Jun 05 21:57:24 http://www.maplin.co.uk/solar-fast-charger-with-torch-389248 Jun 05 21:57:30 i would't get something that unless i was in the safari Jun 05 21:57:32 it has internal battery Jun 05 21:57:36 can be charged from usb Jun 05 21:57:44 so you charge it over usb/sun Jun 05 21:57:55 and then you can charge phone or any kind of usb shit with it Jun 05 21:58:14 jacekowski: solar powered? Jun 05 21:58:18 yes Jun 05 21:58:22 10 days for a full charge? :) Jun 05 21:58:46 150mA charge from sun Jun 05 21:59:41 In other words - at the equator in full sun if you point it at the sun all the time, it'll charge in a day Jun 05 22:05:08 heh Jun 05 22:05:29 i guess it would work as an awesome act of desperation Jun 05 22:05:30 it will charge faster Jun 05 22:05:42 it has internal battery for that Jun 05 22:07:14 yeah but once it has a good enough charge... lions are eating you Jun 05 22:08:26 they have no mobile coverage in africa anyways Jun 05 22:08:59 Actually - that's not really true. Jun 05 22:09:14 Some bits of course - but... Jun 05 22:09:39 maybe in tourist places Jun 05 22:10:13 but once you are somewhere else iridium is your only hope Jun 05 22:10:13 yeah but you may need the flash to signal for help Jun 05 22:10:22 :) Jun 05 22:10:57 and some iridium terminals have like 3weeks standby time Jun 05 22:11:02 iridiums are kind of crappy. i had to use them all the time in iraq Jun 05 22:11:19 well expect delays Jun 05 22:11:29 but quality was ok Jun 05 22:42:01 so a question... this whole AT&T tethering thing... am i doing something wrong? I've been tethering with my prepaid vodofone sim card from india for the past 5 months... came back turned on my AT&T service again and switched sim cards Jun 05 22:42:30 i have an unlimited data plan, but can't seem to do the straightforward connection where i enter the APN user/pass into the ubuntu network manager thing Jun 05 22:43:07 seems to work through the hotspot, but i don't quite understand why the other method doesn't work Jun 05 22:44:09 Mobile Broadband method vs. n900 as wired internet through hotspot Jun 05 22:48:46 I mean, as long as one method works, i guess i have no reason to complain Jun 05 22:50:35 kmplayer is pretty good Jun 05 23:36:14 hi guys Jun 05 23:36:58 so i downloaded the adblock plugins for n900 default browser Jun 05 23:37:26 and now i cant see pictures at certain site Jun 05 23:37:35 any help? Jun 05 23:38:14 divodurum: Find out how to configure adblock Jun 05 23:39:28 ehh Jun 05 23:39:35 ...how? Jun 05 23:39:46 I've no idea, never having used adblock. Jun 05 23:40:00 I'd suggest searching for maemo adblock configuration or something on google. Jun 05 23:40:00 cwell,crap Jun 05 23:40:11 its sort of weird you know Jun 05 23:40:23 tpics work fine on other sites Jun 05 23:40:37 but on this one they wont Jun 05 23:40:57 i dunno, probably similar to configuring it under firefox on a regular pc Jun 05 23:41:07 either that or just uninstall adblock to see the pictures Jun 05 23:41:23 That's simply as the pics on one site are presumably hosted on a blacklisted server. Jun 05 23:41:36 guess ill give it a shot then Jun 05 23:41:43 How do you think adblock works? Jun 05 23:41:56 me? Jun 05 23:42:03 fucking magic thats how Jun 05 23:43:46 It's got a list of servers it won't show images from. Jun 05 23:45:21 you know its nothing crazy, thw site i mean Jun 05 23:45:46 a finnish "chan" Jun 05 23:46:55 hmm, deleting seemed to work Jun 05 23:47:04 thanks for ghelp i guess Jun 05 23:49:31 The lists are generally community maintained. Jun 05 23:50:33 it should be configurable through microB extensions Jun 06 00:11:02 thor was stupid Jun 06 00:11:23 i skipped through 80% of it Jun 06 00:26:05 copying from eMMC to HDD to uSD is faster than eMMC to uSD for some reason Jun 06 00:26:36 weird Jun 06 00:26:53 could be cause I'm using the same USB connection (obviously) Jun 06 00:29:15 MohammadAG: Copying directly - on the device - goes about as fast as simply reading Jun 06 00:29:50 SpeedEvil, no, using a USB connection both ways Jun 06 00:30:30 yeah - I know Jun 06 00:30:44 shouldn't the eMMC be faster over USB? Jun 06 00:30:53 Why? Jun 06 00:31:09 dd - or something on device - is gaster Jun 06 00:31:20 faster Jun 06 00:31:31 As there is no USB load. There isn't much in it though Jun 06 00:32:00 dding something on the eMMC kills my device Jun 06 00:32:09 Odd./ Jun 06 00:32:24 I had to reboot while it was dding once Jun 06 00:33:56 from µSD to emmc? Jun 06 00:34:26 there is some race, the kernel will eventually recover but you have to be very patient Jun 06 00:34:57 means, waiting for 20 minutes or so :P Jun 06 00:35:08 I waited for an hour :p Jun 06 00:35:13 same for rsyncing at full speed Jun 06 00:35:46 i usually just use --bwlimit to throttle it at lets say 75% of maximum speed that works more reliable for me Jun 06 00:35:47 anyway, 5+7 minutes is better than 1 hour Jun 06 00:36:48 Odd Jun 06 00:36:53 rsync just works for me Jun 06 00:37:04 from emmc to µsd? Jun 06 00:37:13 oh Jun 06 00:37:23 I use it from emmc to PC over wifi Jun 06 00:37:25 so... Jun 06 00:37:48 yes thats not a problem there is some race when you use µsd and emmc both at high/max speed Jun 06 00:38:32 sometimes happens, sometimes not.. if you transfer massive amounts of data then you see it most likely Jun 06 00:38:38 if it also swaps then more Jun 06 00:38:57 so I've moved my songs from the eMMC to my uSD Jun 06 00:39:05 why with dd? Jun 06 00:39:18 umm, normal cp actually Jun 06 00:39:23 never said dd Jun 06 00:39:34 ah SpeedEvil did Jun 06 00:39:36 hopefully playback performance will increase now Jun 06 00:39:42 how that? Jun 06 00:39:56 playing songs at twice their speed? :) Jun 06 00:40:05 less simultaneous access to the eMMC Jun 06 00:40:18 where does DBus "live" btw? Jun 06 00:40:25 I may have just been doing read/write tests - I don't think I did read/write between devices Jun 06 00:40:27 * cehteh has no problems with playback except under really high load Jun 06 00:40:35 dbus is not a filesystem Jun 06 00:40:38 I know Jun 06 00:40:49 its a daemon Jun 06 00:40:51 OTOH - recording is rarely completely smooth for me. Jun 06 00:40:53 but why does DBus choke when the system is under load Jun 06 00:40:54 Which is annoying Jun 06 00:41:01 Dbus is a process. Jun 06 00:41:05 It requires scheduling. Jun 06 00:41:08 MohammadAG: maybe swapping? Jun 06 00:41:15 ^video recording Jun 06 00:41:28 DBus slowdown is the only thing causing bad media playback Jun 06 00:41:32 yes video gets easily jittery Jun 06 00:43:06 * cehteh playing netradio, having microb open with a massive page (whole book) and doing fapman updating .. now audio had some short gap Jun 06 00:43:33 swapping i say Jun 06 00:43:35 How do I accept dcc? Jun 06 00:44:05 rtfm about your IRC channel? open your firewall Jun 06 00:44:09 Can anyone recommend the "right" way to run cron jobs as root? The app Alarmed doesn't cut it for me Jun 06 00:44:11 .. forget about dcc Jun 06 00:45:34 alarmd never worked for me too, but i didnt tried hard Jun 06 00:46:57 Scifi: I dunno. Jun 06 00:47:14 Scifi: I added a file to /etc/sudoers.d - to add a line to sudoers for a script Jun 06 00:47:37 I want to run a backup script as root. Jun 06 00:47:48 And then sudo script Jun 06 00:48:37 SpeedEvil: I added user to to sudoers for that one command. Then it got more complicated because I am using gpg encryption keys which are not available for user. Jun 06 00:49:24 Scifi: for that i have a ssh-cron-agent script which can be used from any kind of automatic scripts Jun 06 00:49:32 (didnt used it on the n900 yet) Jun 06 00:49:39 sudo also lets you run stuff as root Jun 06 00:50:18 cehteh: Is there any package dependency for it to run? Jun 06 00:51:09 no its just a bash script and i am searching for it to put it on my server wait a minute Jun 06 00:51:15 well it needs ssh-agent of course Jun 06 00:51:34 it starts a ssh-agent in the back which is used by scripts Jun 06 00:52:09 you have to preen this ssh-agent once with the key of course, thats the price of security and not having passwordless keys Jun 06 00:52:17 SpeedEvil: sudo command is working fine but the script I am running (with sudo) calls duplicity and uses encryption keys which are not available for user. I want to avoid adding the keys to user. Jun 06 00:52:38 you use sudo to run the command as root Jun 06 00:52:45 Sorry - not understanding the problem. Jun 06 00:53:28 SpeedEvil:sudo /root/backupscript.sh is the command Jun 06 00:54:44 With a properly setup sudoers file, this will run the command as root Jun 06 00:54:45 SpeedEvil: backupscript.sh has this command duplicity remove-older-than 1M --encrypt-key "****" --sign-key blah blah.. Jun 06 00:55:55 When i run the command as user gpg cries saying secret keys are missing Jun 06 00:56:38 /root/.gnupg has the secret keys, /home/user/.gnupg does not have the secret keys Jun 06 00:56:50 You've not setup sudoers right. Jun 06 00:57:02 If you set it up right - it will run the script as root when you use sudo Jun 06 00:57:38 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /root/backupscript.sh Jun 06 00:57:48 Isn't that correct? Jun 06 00:58:57 what password does it ask, user password or for some backup server where you want to push the backup to? Jun 06 00:59:22 and iirc without spaces around the = .. but i am not sure, i dont rtfm right now Jun 06 01:00:28 gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available Jun 06 01:00:43 gpg: [stdin]: sign+encrypt failed: secret key not available Jun 06 01:00:50 Scifi: you know that sudoers is overwritten at each boot? Jun 06 01:00:59 outch Jun 06 01:01:06 nokiaisms Jun 06 01:01:16 SpeedEvil: really? Jun 06 01:01:22 unbelieveable Jun 06 01:01:42 SpeedEvil: Haven't had that problem. Jun 06 01:01:47 see above comments about *.d directory Jun 06 01:02:38 That sudoers command is in /etc/sudoers.d/backup.sudoers Jun 06 01:02:49 http://www.pipapo.org/snippets/ssh-cron-agent anyways, just in case its for any use for you Jun 06 01:03:01 Scifi: you know that's only copied to sudoers at boot? Jun 06 01:03:02 cehteh: Thanks, will try Jun 06 01:03:28 instead the crontab @reboot of course a event.d or init.d startup will do too Jun 06 01:03:38 SpeedEvil: Not aware of that Jun 06 01:04:11 SpeedEvil: any suggestions on changing the sudoers? Jun 06 01:04:25 Scifi: you send the backup to another computer? Jun 06 01:04:27 reboot, or echo the line into it Jun 06 01:04:42 i'd recomment to pull the backup rather than pushing it then Jun 06 01:05:40 cehteh: Yes currently pushing to server. Using autodisconnect so have tweak it little to make pull from server work. But will try that option as well Jun 06 01:07:03 SpeedEvil: I added the file long time ago (month), rebooted many times after that. sudo seems to be working. For example, I get perm denied when i run $/root/backupscript.sh Jun 06 01:07:16 k Jun 06 01:07:35 SpeedEvil: But the script starts when i run $sudo /root/backupscript.sh although it fails later with gpg error. Jun 06 01:08:14 Well - it sounds like somehow it's not running as the right user - unless I've misunderstood. Jun 06 01:09:39 Scifi: perhaps sudo doesnt provide a full login environment so you are still in the wrong $HOME Jun 06 01:10:46 SpeedEvil:cehteh: Yes that is my understanding too. Jun 06 01:11:15 * cehteh uses 'sudo su -' on his laptop to get a real root Jun 06 01:11:46 i dont do such tricks on the n900 Jun 06 01:11:57 Hello Jun 06 01:12:13 My bitcoin investment paid of, I am now 6800% richer than when I started Jun 06 01:12:18 FWIW I have a check in script to exit the script if user is not root --> if [ `whoami` != "root" ]; then log error and quit Jun 06 01:12:22 When will the N9 be aout? Jun 06 01:12:40 a.out Jun 06 01:12:51 never? tomorrow? someday? .. who knows Jun 06 01:13:16 out* Jun 06 01:13:21 Isn't it revealed yet? Jun 06 01:13:23 lolcat: when did you started? Jun 06 01:13:31 Dec 4th 2010 Jun 06 01:13:38 * cehteh isnt sure if all is a scam, most likely it is Jun 06 01:13:48 All what is a scam? Jun 06 01:13:55 bitcoin Jun 06 01:14:02 Why would it? Jun 06 01:14:06 not the idea but how its pushed currently Jun 06 01:14:27 I can now buy an Asus EEE Pad Transformer *AND* a Nokia N9 Jun 06 01:14:28 rumors say the initiators herding many bitcoins Jun 06 01:14:48 Why would they? Jun 06 01:15:12 keep demand low, increase the value .. hype it and then bail out Jun 06 01:15:37 Nobody with high volume would profit of dumping it Jun 06 01:15:44 err keep supply low Jun 06 01:15:51 we'll see Jun 06 01:15:52 With the voulme of sales today, it can be sustained Jun 06 01:16:23 well we'll see Jun 06 01:16:47 i dont have any machine where it is economic to mine with and i have no one who owes me bitcoins Jun 06 01:16:58 so i stopped my node for now and wait and see Jun 06 01:17:32 also the idea to waste electricity to generate bitcoins is a bit borked Jun 06 01:17:44 I have free power Jun 06 01:17:50 some timestamping and signing would be better Jun 06 01:18:02 no power is free, someone has to pay for it Jun 06 01:18:14 maybe not you Jun 06 01:18:28 I pay Jun 06 01:18:34 whoa bitcoins Jun 06 01:18:38 But I pay a fixed amount Jun 06 01:18:47 well you could send me 0.001 bc just to get my balance out of 0 :) Jun 06 01:18:50 Is it possible to run bitcoin on Meego? Jun 06 01:19:03 you burn your device most likely Jun 06 01:19:03 cehteh: Can you send me a N9? Jun 06 01:19:08 haha no Jun 06 01:19:42 I am using a damn Nokia N97 mini Jun 06 01:19:43 i am only asked for 0.001 .. thats how much worth in $ at the current imaginary exchange value? Jun 06 01:19:47 It sucks SO hard Jun 06 01:19:59 cehteh: It is around $16.50 now Jun 06 01:20:07 whats the smallest amount of bitcoins you can send around? Jun 06 01:20:07 But my wallet is encrypted Jun 06 01:20:16 does anyone use that twitter plugin for conversations/contacts? Jun 06 01:20:17 yes and? Jun 06 01:20:23 myuu: No Jun 06 01:20:34 i thought all wallets are encrypted Jun 06 01:20:42 cehteh: Decryption have been shown to be a pain in the ass Jun 06 01:20:50 I keep decrypting the wrong folder xD Jun 06 01:20:52 heh Jun 06 01:21:12 so you cant access your bitcoins easily? Jun 06 01:21:18 and you cant split them? Jun 06 01:21:32 i am noob there i only skimmed the webpage Jun 06 01:22:00 generally i like the idea in some ways, but in other ways its also capitalism at its worst Jun 06 01:22:13 the rich will get richer and the poor poorer Jun 06 01:22:33 its just imaginary money Jun 06 01:24:12 * cehteh once had a idea about a exchange p2p network but never implemented it Jun 06 01:24:34 would be the ebay killer, except its fair so likely would have no success because you cant scam people Jun 06 01:24:56 cehteh: VOLUME Jun 06 01:25:05 That's what stops ebay being killed at this point. Jun 06 01:25:18 SpeedEvil: yeah i gave up on that Jun 06 01:25:36 the idea is years older but i never specified it formally Jun 06 01:25:55 quite similar to bitcoin as everything is signed and peer2peer Jun 06 01:25:55 T?here are 4 refrigerators within 5 miles of me - for example. Jun 06 01:26:08 Also - ebay isn't all scams. Jun 06 01:26:33 but you exchange real goods or services over it and the system finds good chains of exchanges to optimize the success Jun 06 01:26:48 no certainly not, most is ok Jun 06 01:27:04 IME >99.8% is legit Jun 06 01:27:09 but even if its only 0.1% scam and 1% luky sellers its bad Jun 06 01:27:38 its not an real auctions as it has a deadline Jun 06 01:27:50 Maybe I buy wierd stuff unlikely to be faked. Jun 06 01:28:13 i am not talking about the fakes .. its more the principle at which it works Jun 06 01:28:19 x60s motherboard. x6 ultrabase, combi boiler heat exchanger, 150mAh battery, 12V hot water pump. Jun 06 01:28:33 908g ammonium sulphamate. Jun 06 01:28:41 imagine the buyer could propose a value he want to pay and a deadline how long he holds his offer Jun 06 01:29:10 and the seller maybe has a deadline or maybe just some day accepts what he thinks is the best offer Jun 06 01:29:17 that would be a much fairer system Jun 06 01:29:28 What's unfair about the current system? Jun 06 01:29:31 how do I kick tracker back into business Jun 06 01:29:44 plug into power MohammadAG? Jun 06 01:29:59 I don't have throttle afaik Jun 06 01:30:14 SpeedEvil:cehteh: Adding "export GNUPGHOME=/root/.gnupg" to the backup script did the trick. Finally :) Jun 06 01:30:19 Thank you Jun 06 01:30:25 Scifi: :) Jun 06 01:31:01 SpeedEvil: either the buyer is lucky and gets it under value, or the seller is lucky and high demand and stess because of that deadline driven the price higher than it could be Jun 06 01:31:55 its a bit tricky about psychology .. finally people think they made a good deal on ebay, but in fact they dont do that such often Jun 06 01:32:17 in private auctions maybe but not for commercial stuff Jun 06 01:32:47 even private stuff you get the same second hand things cheaper on a flea market Jun 06 01:33:00 well and the big winner is ebay and the postal service :P Jun 06 01:33:05 Research what you want to pay. Jun 06 01:33:11 Set a sniper. Jun 06 01:33:15 Leave it. Jun 06 01:33:19 Win or not. Jun 06 01:33:28 yes but thats not the way it should be Jun 06 01:33:38 also ebay forbids snipers Jun 06 01:33:53 The way to fail at ebay is to watch the auction and think that 'I really should go 3 pounds more' with 30 seconds to go after being outbid. Jun 06 01:33:56 so the whole system is somewhat broken .. even if one can use it successfully Jun 06 01:33:57 No, it doesn'.t Jun 06 01:34:40 besides i canceled my account years ago Jun 06 01:34:44 wasnt easy Jun 06 01:34:54 at least a lot more complicated than registering Jun 06 01:37:04 I can only say - sitting on a sofa from ebay, with a laptop from ebay, a keyboard from ebay, a ps2/usb converter from ebay, a carpet from ebay, ... works for me. Jun 06 01:39:38 grr Jun 06 01:39:44 I can't get tracker to reindex Jun 06 01:39:48 = no songs :/ Jun 06 01:39:52 nuke the db? Jun 06 01:40:04 already have Jun 06 01:40:12 reboot? Jun 06 01:40:16 stop trackerd start trackerd? Jun 06 01:40:18 yes .. thats for pussies :) Jun 06 01:40:28 already tried that :p Jun 06 01:40:44 you are the first one who complains that tracker doesnt run often enough Jun 06 01:40:45 is it ogg-support again?! Jun 06 01:41:15 well .. drop in the middle of the sahara, with only 5% battery left and the n900 your only gps device Jun 06 01:41:24 then trackerd WILL start up Jun 06 01:41:39 throught the whole ogg-support upgrade saga tracker was quite temperamental for me. Jun 06 01:42:23 today i saved a webpage (zeromq guide) with a lot of pictures in it .. and trackerd indexed them all and showing them under photos Jun 06 01:42:25 grr Jun 06 01:42:31 and i have the new ogg things installed Jun 06 01:42:44 I had to tracker-processes -r; delete directory and reboot a couple of times and it finally worked again Jun 06 01:46:31 tracker is paused apparently... Jun 06 01:47:49 please publish how you paused it :P Jun 06 01:48:31 * cehteh enabled the "dont reindex tracker on battery" but it happily ignores that Jun 06 01:49:00 tracker-status shows Paused Jun 06 01:49:01 idk why Jun 06 01:49:22 duh Jun 06 01:49:32 well .. i go to sleep n8 Jun 06 01:53:57 a quick look at the source has these possible reasons: Jun 06 01:54:15 gboolean is_paused_manually; Jun 06 01:54:16 58 gboolean is_paused_for_batt; Jun 06 01:54:16 59 gboolean is_paused_for_io; Jun 06 01:54:16 60 gboolean is_paused_for_space; Jun 06 01:54:16 61 gboolean is_paused_for_dbus; Jun 06 01:54:16 62 gboolean is_paused_for_unknown; Jun 06 01:55:02 63 gboolean is_paused_for_lulz; Jun 06 01:55:59 what does ~/.config/tracker/tracker..cfg say? Jun 06 01:56:37 you can set verbosity in there, but I haven't tried it. Jun 06 01:58:58 fecking tracker Jun 06 01:59:24 moo MohammadAG51 Jun 06 01:59:34 moo DocScrutinizer Jun 06 02:03:10 fecking apps that need tracker to work - toldya Jun 06 02:03:30 broken-by-design Jun 06 02:04:45 tracker itself is broken-by-design, as in it tries to provide things you better shouldn't even consider to try Jun 06 02:05:20 ^on a resource limited device Jun 06 02:05:29 on any device Jun 06 02:05:46 gonna try to reboot again Jun 06 02:05:56 64 gboolean is_paused_for_tracker Jun 06 02:06:05 there's generally no use in a centralized shadow filesystem Jun 06 02:06:36 nor in a centralized unclear purpose indexing database Jun 06 02:07:32 that's constantly out of sync and heavily trying to resync to real fs Jun 06 02:10:47 if you want additional info about your files' properties, then it's highly recommendable to implement these additional properties directly into your filesystem structure, e.g. add a .coverart file to each directory holing all songs of one record. If you want to re-sort, then there are symlinks for that Jun 06 02:11:40 Or even resource forks. :) Jun 06 02:11:47 then if you followed that paradigm, you need no fekkin trekker, you got "find" for that Jun 06 02:11:51 and grep Jun 06 02:13:48 ffs!! Jun 06 02:13:57 I'm reflashing Jun 06 02:13:59 if you use hardlinks, you can even do way nicer stuff yet Jun 06 02:15:15 for the rest it's always a better idea to have a local optimized database built iin to your app, rather than an idiotic daemon Jun 06 02:15:59 as your app has full control over that internal db's state Jun 06 02:16:17 MohammadAG51: any luck looking at ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker*.log Jun 06 02:17:34 basically same odd mindset that gave us gconf "registry" Jun 06 02:19:06 this all smells like windows fools' concepts about how to implement an OS/system Jun 06 02:20:49 the general notion of "let's do that on user's behalf, as users always got no clue about it - and let's do it in a maximum opaque and centralized way" Jun 06 02:22:07 wich results in your irreco button icons showing up between your holiday snapshots Jun 06 02:22:45 not to mention cover art - or recorded phonecalls considered "songs" Jun 06 02:23:15 unbearable Jun 06 02:23:41 let alone the performance impact Jun 06 02:24:20 * GonzoTheGreat thinks DocScrutinizer has chnaged to rant mode Jun 06 02:24:55 ooh, ask others here, I never leave that mode ;-D Jun 06 02:25:26 I tried to be nice Jun 06 02:25:33 :-) Jun 06 02:26:01 nitdroid... Jun 06 02:26:26 * GonzoTheGreat thinks that was mean Jun 06 02:26:44 well, luckily we seem to get rid of gconf and tracker eventually, as reason wins... \o/ Jun 06 02:28:46 and the day nitdroid will fix their booting and adopt uBoot, I promise I'll not rant for a whole day Jun 06 02:29:17 bq27200 - on charging from EDV1 - it assumes it's 6% charge - and then simply integrates the charge until it hits I_TAPER, at which time it resets to last-measured-discharge? Jun 06 02:29:45 anybody use ecoach? Jun 06 02:29:56 was wondering which heart monitors were supported Jun 06 02:30:06 need to figure out how to save my data too Jun 06 02:30:59 the map running route recording stuff was pretty neat too Jun 06 02:32:59 SpeedEvil: hm? Jun 06 02:33:47 nvm - just measuring my battery capacity Jun 06 02:33:47 SpeedEvil: sounds about right Jun 06 02:34:48 SpeedEvil: seem that gizzle stuff? X-P Jun 06 02:34:56 seen* Jun 06 02:35:17 gizzle? Jun 06 02:35:22 hehe Jun 06 02:35:38 Ok - I guess at least another learn cycle before it's down to a plausible capacity for the battery. Jun 06 02:36:10 hehe[2011-06-05 06:18:58] http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/en/gizmocommunity/photos/photo.html?groupid=12&albumid=15#photoid=329 LOL MUHAHA Jun 06 02:37:02 have some Aspirin handy when you look at that! Jun 06 02:39:51 I try to help newbies on ##electronics. Jun 06 02:40:49 Hard to read as the wires are inferences. Jun 06 02:48:09 SpeedEvil: yes, I posted that link to you at ##electronics Jun 06 02:48:25 ah - missed it Jun 06 02:48:34 np Jun 06 02:49:53 anyway I have a hard time to read it at all, and am amazed there are no unwanted shorts (arn't there really?) Jun 06 02:50:41 I question how it's easier than spring-connectors Jun 06 02:51:27 http://www.sciencestoreforthestars.com/elenco-130-in-1-electronic-playground.aspx Jun 06 02:53:15 I have a bricked n900 and want to flash it back to maemo 5 is there a good forum that can give me the step by step info ? Jun 06 02:54:05 ~flash Jun 06 02:54:05 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 06 02:54:57 and RECHARGE your battery to FULL, prior to flashing! Jun 06 02:55:03 it's no joke Jun 06 02:56:00 alas with a "bricked" N900 you'll have a hard time charging, so better rake good care that your battery doesn't drain Jun 06 02:56:13 take* Jun 06 02:56:47 I.E. remove battery immediately if flashing failed Jun 06 02:57:05 and insert it just for next flashing Jun 06 02:57:29 as that's the foolproof method to flash anyway Jun 06 02:58:16 start flasher-3.5, plug in the N900 USB to PC, hold N900 'u' and isnert battery Jun 06 02:58:28 battery is fully charged and out of phone Jun 06 02:58:33 good Jun 06 02:58:47 tried to install meego 1.2 and failed Jun 06 02:58:59 so want to just go back to maemo Jun 06 02:59:04 then that wili page has all the info you need, just read it *completely* prior to flashing Jun 06 02:59:18 wiki* Jun 06 02:59:37 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 06 02:59:57 2011