**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 09 02:59:57 2011
Jun 09 03:11:20 <Psi> what pptp vpn client package is the best to install (with gui)
Jun 09 03:11:55 <GAN900> http://blog.flickr.net/en/2011/06/08/plane-trails/
Jun 09 03:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> whatever
Jun 09 03:17:26 <DocScrutinizer> trying to download mp3 from a sansa sandisk mp3-clip. Looks completely empty when mounted as mass storage under linux :-(  Any hints?
Jun 09 03:18:27 <Psi> maybe it is partitioned
Jun 09 03:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> there are several dirs that all are empty
Jun 09 03:19:54 <Psi> and not just hidden files?
Jun 09 03:20:16 <DocScrutinizer> unplugged it now, but I recall dirs like MUSIC, RECORDINGS...
Jun 09 03:20:35 <DocScrutinizer> umm, no, my konqueror is set up to show .files
Jun 09 03:21:39 <DocScrutinizer> there've been like 4 dirs, one 1.5MB file that had some binary content looking like a content listing judging by the strings I've seen...
Jun 09 03:22:41 <DocScrutinizer> might be some iSync crap, or dunno what
Jun 09 03:23:00 <DocScrutinizer> I'm lost on that thing
Jun 09 03:23:02 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Jun 09 03:24:32 <DocScrutinizer> cute little thing, even has an (empty) uSD slot, but when there's no content visible though device starts playback of a song on unplugging...
Jun 09 03:30:29 <GAN900> Wipe it and start over?
Jun 09 03:30:33 <DocScrutinizer> "music->dirs->[internal storage] MTP->((lots of subdirs))
Jun 09 03:30:49 <DocScrutinizer> meh, that's not why I borrowed it :-P
Jun 09 03:31:57 <GAN900> Ah
Jun 09 03:34:21 <DocScrutinizer> strange shit
Jun 09 03:34:30 <MohammadAG51> morning
Jun 09 03:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> moaning
Jun 09 03:35:09 * DocScrutinizer thinks it's cause by solar strom
Jun 09 03:35:15 <MohammadAG51> exactly what I'm gonna do later today
Jun 09 03:35:31 <MohammadAG51> no, more like 3 hours of sleep
Jun 09 03:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> exactly what I'm doing right now
Jun 09 03:36:01 <GAN900> mourning
Jun 09 03:36:06 <GAN900> (with MeeGo)
Jun 09 03:36:07 <MohammadAG51> I have 5 alarms set up each 2 minutes far apart in case I fall asleep
Jun 09 03:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> got a sansa with lots of nice music on it and can't access it via USB
Jun 09 03:36:20 <GAN900> They wont work.
Jun 09 03:36:59 <DocScrutinizer> alarms are fubar on maemo
Jun 09 03:37:19 <MohammadAG51> remind me to find a way to make the stop button segfault the dialog
Jun 09 03:37:25 * DocScrutinizer plugs in the sansa once more
Jun 09 03:37:44 <GAN900> I hate when it hits sleep when I'm taking it out of my pocket.
Jun 09 03:37:47 <MohammadAG51> Sansas use Mass Storage afaik
Jun 09 03:38:23 <DocScrutinizer> they do, at least I get it mounted - alas the MUSIC is not there...
Jun 09 03:38:45 <MohammadAG51> I hope my lockscreen concept drives people to make more lockscreens to "replace" maemo's
Jun 09 03:39:47 <DocScrutinizer> AUDIBLE, AUDIOBOOKS, MUSIC, PODCASTS, RECORD - all dirs
Jun 09 03:40:00 <GAN900> And pretty soon we'll be Android!
Jun 09 03:40:29 <GAN900> Who wants to start the 12 Days of Maemo 6?
Jun 09 03:40:45 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, hit Ctrl+h
Jun 09 03:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> all empty, except RECORD, which has FM and VOICE
Jun 09 03:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-h??
Jun 09 03:41:38 <GAN900> 1st day should be a burning platform.
Jun 09 03:42:28 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: hitting ctrl-h has no reasonable meaning in konqueror
Jun 09 03:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> the device has no kbd to do that
Jun 09 03:43:42 <MohammadAG51> ctrl+h shows hidden folders on nautilus
Jun 09 03:44:23 <DocScrutinizer> mine is set up to show hidden by dfault
Jun 09 03:45:36 <MohammadAG51> "find" the shit
Jun 09 03:51:57 <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/119276/
Jun 09 03:53:45 <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/119277/
Jun 09 03:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I know and already said it's my MEH day
Jun 09 04:05:28 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, go to sleep
Jun 09 04:05:40 <DocScrutinizer> MEH!
Jun 09 04:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.fixya.com/support/t1742335-sandisk_2gig_no_longer_plays_mp3s
Jun 09 04:06:01 <MohammadAG51> exactly, on such a day you won't feel productive
Jun 09 04:06:11 <MohammadAG51> so that's what I'd do
Jun 09 04:09:23 <DocScrutinizer> listening to the songs that aren't there :-S
Jun 09 04:12:58 <DocScrutinizer> 2.1MB 4 files, 7 dirs - 392.5MB of 3.7BG free 90% full
Jun 09 04:13:09 <DocScrutinizer> fuck that shit
Jun 09 04:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> wondering if I should copy a .mp3 TO the piece of crap
Jun 09 04:15:20 <hiemanshu> flac FTW :D
Jun 09 04:16:31 <MohammadAG51> got an mp3 to flac converter in the sense that it finds flac versions of an mp3 song? :P
Jun 09 04:17:30 <hiemanshu> naah
Jun 09 04:18:24 <hiemanshu> most of my music is AAC (iTunes) or m4a, haven't used mp3 in a while
Jun 09 04:18:54 <hiemanshu> is there a twitter client out there?
Jun 09 04:19:22 <cehteh> for the n900?
Jun 09 04:19:30 <cehteh> about 2 dozen :)
Jun 09 04:19:42 <hiemanshu> any good ones?
Jun 09 04:19:42 <cehteh> what is twitter btw? :)
Jun 09 04:19:45 <MohammadAG51> sure it's not 3 dozen?
Jun 09 04:19:51 * cehteh doesnt use it
Jun 09 04:20:02 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG51: where is the source to sociality?
Jun 09 04:20:09 <MohammadAG51> it's the one place where stalking is legal
Jun 09 04:20:15 <MohammadAG51> hiemanshu, gitorious.org/qtbook
Jun 09 04:20:24 <cehteh> MohammadAG51: mars :)
Jun 09 04:21:33 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG51: I am still learning C++, well I wrote a couple of apps in C++ last night (the ones I had in PyQt already) so yeah might look at the source and fix something if I can :)
Jun 09 04:22:13 <MohammadAG51> don't know if anything's broken and is an easy fix :P
Jun 09 04:22:45 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG51: there is http://wiki.maemo.org/Sociality#Planned_.2F_Requested_Features:P
Jun 09 04:23:02 <MohammadAG51> yeah, they're not that easy to implement
Jun 09 04:23:23 <DocScrutinizer> incredible... :-( Going have breakfast
Jun 09 04:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> banging my head against some nice all on my way
Jun 09 04:23:45 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG51: sure, but well I know a lot more C++ than I thought I knew :P
Jun 09 04:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Jun 09 04:24:18 <MohammadAG51> your call, just follow the same syntax if you're going to provide patches :p
Jun 09 04:24:32 <MohammadAG51> if (foo) instead of if(foo) etc
Jun 09 04:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> hah
Jun 09 04:25:24 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG51: Sure, well its going to be a learning experience after all, if nothing, I'll learn quite a bit :P
Jun 09 04:26:08 <MohammadAG51> I learned C++/Qt through examples
Jun 09 04:26:28 <hiemanshu> Yeah, I have been through most of the examples
Jun 09 04:26:50 <DocScrutinizer> hahahaha, inserted a uSD, triggered "updating database" - OMFG
Jun 09 04:27:47 <DocScrutinizer> now I think it hangs halfway
Jun 09 04:28:07 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, maemo.org Qt apps, not Qt examples :p
Jun 09 04:28:09 <DocScrutinizer> hope I nuked it now
Jun 09 04:28:21 <MohammadAG> also my keyboard looks brighter at one side for some reason
Jun 09 04:29:11 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: ah
Jun 09 04:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, check brightness for the kbd(1..6)_led
Jun 09 04:31:20 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you fried one of those?
Jun 09 04:32:35 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: the thing about learning is that, its easy and fun until you do simple stuff, but once you look at a real world application, you freak :P
Jun 09 04:32:47 <hiemanshu> freak out*
Jun 09 04:32:50 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'm betting it's my eyes though
Jun 09 04:33:24 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, look at logs from last year, I "hated" C/C++/Qt
Jun 09 04:33:27 <Shoruken> just found out my n900 won't flash cause i have some cheap "charging only" usb cable. didn't know they made those 
Jun 09 04:33:55 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Jun 09 04:34:10 <DocScrutinizer> I'd call that broken
Jun 09 04:34:12 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: lol
Jun 09 04:34:41 <Shoruken> seriously why would they make a usb cable charging only
Jun 09 04:35:04 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: well, until a month ago I hated C/C++, but eventually gave in because almost everything I use is mostly C++
Jun 09 04:35:09 <Shoruken> nearly threw my phone out the window
Jun 09 04:35:11 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: because its cheaper?
Jun 09 04:35:20 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, prob right ;P
Jun 09 04:35:30 <Shoruken> how's QT these days?
Jun 09 04:35:37 <MohammadAG> I hated it cause I didn't know it
Jun 09 04:35:39 * DocScrutinizer trows some sandisk crap out the window
Jun 09 04:35:41 <MohammadAG> Qt is awesome
Jun 09 04:35:41 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: like you said you bought a cheap USB cable, well I'd blame you for that
Jun 09 04:36:30 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, i bought a charger, had no idea there existed usb cables that were so cheap as to not add a few wires for data xfer
Jun 09 04:36:33 <hiemanshu> Qt sure is awesome
Jun 09 04:37:02 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: well, it could be worse :P
Jun 09 04:37:15 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, yeah i could have thrown my phone out da window ;)
Jun 09 04:37:23 <Shoruken> that said I don't think i'll be installing nitdroid again
Jun 09 04:37:25 <hiemanshu> there is a reason they charge extra for decent stuff, It works :P
Jun 09 04:37:48 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: well, send it over to me, I have a few friends who want a N900 :P
Jun 09 04:38:18 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, i was seriously about to donate my n900 to someone in here like MohammadAG if i couldn't get it working :P
Jun 09 04:38:31 <Shoruken> but now that i discovered the root of my prob i'll keep it!
Jun 09 04:38:43 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: MohammadAG probably has a lot of them, send it to me :P
Jun 09 04:38:45 * DocScrutinizer holds fingernail to the tip of that progressbar... does it move??... oh, it moves backwards... Nah, that's my fingernail growing ;-P
Jun 09 04:38:52 <MohammadAG> send it to someone else, I already have 2, thanks though :P
Jun 09 04:39:05 <hiemanshu> I could probably use another one
Jun 09 04:39:06 <Shoruken> how does Qt compare with .NET in noob friendliness?
Jun 09 04:39:25 <MohammadAG> I think .NET is a bit more noob friendly
Jun 09 04:39:27 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: I learned most of the basic Qt stuff in a doc, and the docs are very easy to use
Jun 09 04:39:27 <MohammadAG> but only a bit
Jun 09 04:39:34 <hiemanshu> s/doc/day/
Jun 09 04:39:34 <infobot> hiemanshu meant: Shoruken: I learned most of the basic Qt stuff in a day, and the docs are very easy to use
Jun 09 04:39:40 <MohammadAG> Qt's docs are the best docs though
Jun 09 04:39:44 <hiemanshu> yup
Jun 09 04:39:51 * DocScrutinizer wonders if they used a 2bit processor in that thing, clocked @ 50Hz
Jun 09 04:39:55 <GonzoTheGreat> MohammadAG: I saw you have been busy on the bubble front
Jun 09 04:40:22 <MohammadAG> GonzoTheGreat, sort of, done the backends, Venemo's doing the frontends
Jun 09 04:40:43 <Shoruken> that's good, I was about to get serious on Qt learnin' and lost myself by subbing to WoW
Jun 09 04:40:44 <MohammadAG> it's mainly a go at Nokia Bubbles in pure Qt (without any QML)
Jun 09 04:41:11 <Shoruken> i haven't kept up with maemo stuff lately, what's the future hold for the n900?
Jun 09 04:41:13 <GonzoTheGreat> I might as well not bother then.
Jun 09 04:41:21 <MohammadAG> why?
Jun 09 04:41:45 <MohammadAG> it's a matter of personal choice
Jun 09 04:42:03 <MohammadAG> some mays like your screen, others may like the nokia bubbles clone
Jun 09 04:42:19 <MohammadAG> having custom lockscreens is like having custom themes
Jun 09 04:43:07 <GonzoTheGreat> I guess so. It is kind of duplicated effort though.
Jun 09 04:43:33 <MohammadAG> well, no, you plan on using QML (ala quick-widgets), we don't
Jun 09 04:43:37 <GonzoTheGreat> Still have the qt-components (qml) for maemo on my list. This theme stuff suck though ;-)
Jun 09 04:44:07 <Shoruken> i wish someone would make swype work on maemo
Jun 09 04:44:28 <GonzoTheGreat> getting all the info on margins/padding and so is laborious.
Jun 09 04:45:01 <hiemanshu> google doodle++
Jun 09 04:45:40 <MohammadAG> Shoruken, swype? no, some custom swype-like algorithm based keyboard, maybe
Jun 09 04:45:52 <MohammadAG> either way, I'm not the guy for algorithms
Jun 09 04:46:24 <Shoruken> i like the way swype feels though, and i've tried another thing that was similar didn't feel as good
Jun 09 04:46:41 <GonzoTheGreat> Back to qml lock-screen. If I go for it I will probably wrap the backend stuff from the bubbles. That should be common functionality
Jun 09 04:46:54 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: well swype isn't open source, so you would have to write most of the stuff on your own
Jun 09 04:47:08 <Shoruken> true, there any swype opensource alternatives?
Jun 09 04:47:22 <MohammadAG> imho, I did the backends well this time
Jun 09 04:47:53 <MohammadAG> I plan to add MeeGo / Maemo 6 support, the code is ready for cross platform use
Jun 09 04:47:53 <GonzoTheGreat> I'll see when I try to make bindings ;-)
Jun 09 04:48:21 <Shoruken> google doesn't show anything i can use ;(
Jun 09 04:48:50 <MohammadAG> GonzoTheGreat, basically, the UI is pure Qt, e.g you call SystemPlayer::resume(), and it resumes the default player
Jun 09 04:49:09 <MohammadAG> on maemo 5, that's mafw, but you don't have to worry about that, the class handles it
Jun 09 04:49:14 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: there is slide it, but that isn't free either
Jun 09 04:49:36 <MohammadAG> I love multiple closed source efforts
Jun 09 04:49:40 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, i'm surprised no one has anythign open source on something like this at this point in time
Jun 09 04:50:18 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: well for most people swype works, and really it doesn't matter to me much if it isn't open source if it does the stuff its supposed to do
Jun 09 04:50:25 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: (I own an iPhone too :P)
Jun 09 04:50:43 <GonzoTheGreat> MohammadAG: Have you done telepathy access yet?
Jun 09 04:50:51 <Shoruken> there any swype-like keyboard for iphone? i'll be owning one soon as a hand me down ;)
Jun 09 04:51:05 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: nope there are none
Jun 09 04:51:24 <MohammadAG> GonzoTheGreat, for what?
Jun 09 04:51:35 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, you sure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS9exNHoD3M
Jun 09 04:51:59 <GonzoTheGreat> number of sms, IMs,  missed calls etc
Jun 09 04:52:00 <Shoruken> omg
Jun 09 04:52:04 <Shoruken> it's in an app thing only
Jun 09 04:52:10 <Shoruken> can't replace keybaoard with it
Jun 09 04:52:30 <MohammadAG> no, sure that's provided by telepathy?
Jun 09 04:52:31 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: you type elsewhere, then copy paste :P
Jun 09 04:52:35 <Shoruken> yeah lame
Jun 09 04:53:37 <GonzoTheGreat> IS there anything in qtmobility?
Jun 09 04:53:54 <GonzoTheGreat> or do we have to use dbus
Jun 09 04:54:13 <Shoruken> i broke my arm not too long ago and only had one barely functioning hand and was using some windows swype-like program for awhile... was really useful
Jun 09 04:56:17 <MohammadAG> look at .config/hildon-desktop/notifications.db 
Jun 09 04:56:50 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: when I broke my arm quite a while ago, I had someone to type stuff for me most of the time :P
Jun 09 04:56:55 <Shoruken> i can't believe how diligently MohammadAG and docscrutinizer have been working on maemo stuff
Jun 09 04:57:16 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: they have nothing better to do
Jun 09 04:57:19 * hiemanshu runs for his life
Jun 09 04:57:27 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, sadly my one finger typing was faster than most my family's two handed typing
Jun 09 04:57:45 * MohammadAG follows hiemanshu 
Jun 09 04:57:55 <Shoruken> i was at 140ish wpm before i broke my arm, one handed i did 40 and my brothers could do like 30ish
Jun 09 04:58:25 <MohammadAG> I'll probably disappear when I'm at uni
Jun 09 04:58:28 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: true, but I broke my right arm, and my left arm barely knew how to message :P
Jun 09 04:58:34 <MohammadAG> oh and my modem appears to be broken
Jun 09 04:58:36 <Shoruken> actually the arm breaking wasn't the big part, severing my radial nerve was the worst
Jun 09 04:58:54 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, yeah that sucks to lose the dominant arm. luckily for me it wasn't the case
Jun 09 04:59:01 <Shoruken> MohammadAG, you telling me you in high schooL?
Jun 09 04:59:25 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: well yeah, thats true, its still recovering though
Jun 09 04:59:30 <hiemanshu> isn't MohammadAG like 17?
Jun 09 04:59:34 <MohammadAG> yeah, boring as hell
Jun 09 04:59:35 <Shoruken> hiemanshu, yeah me too... 
Jun 09 04:59:41 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, indeed :p
Jun 09 04:59:54 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: keep up the work kid :P
Jun 09 04:59:55 <Shoruken> damn MohammadAG i thought you were some 30 year old engineer 
Jun 09 05:00:05 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: naah
Jun 09 05:00:21 <Shoruken> your age I was playing MMORPGs nonstop
Jun 09 05:00:28 <hiemanshu> hah
Jun 09 05:00:35 <hiemanshu> I started learning python when I was 17
Jun 09 05:00:54 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG is annoyingly awesome for his age.
Jun 09 05:01:05 <Shoruken> well i started doing VB at 10, made a few windows forms programs and discovered Quake 3... 
Jun 09 05:01:11 <hiemanshu> I think I even broke my arm when I was 17, kept me off computers for a while
Jun 09 05:01:27 <Shoruken> yeah MohammadAG makes me look incompetent
Jun 09 05:01:31 <hiemanshu> lol
Jun 09 05:01:32 <Ikarus> hiemanshu: unlikely to do the trick for most people here :P
Jun 09 05:01:52 <hiemanshu> Ikarus: heh
Jun 09 05:02:05 <Shoruken> MohammadAG, if you don't mind me asking, whereabouts in the world do you live?
Jun 09 05:02:08 <Ikarus> keep me off computers, not since I was 10
Jun 09 05:02:47 <DocScrutinizer> whe I was 10 there was nothing to run VB on it :-P
Jun 09 05:02:51 <MohammadAG> Shoruken, Jerusalem, IL :P
Jun 09 05:03:02 <Shoruken> aha
Jun 09 05:03:14 <hiemanshu> IL?
Jun 09 05:03:20 <Shoruken> short for israel?
Jun 09 05:03:33 <MohammadAG> not Illinouis, yeah :p
Jun 09 05:03:44 <hiemanshu> ah, Israel :P
Jun 09 05:04:07 <MohammadAG> or palestine, indifferent tbh
Jun 09 05:04:26 <hiemanshu> heh
Jun 09 05:04:28 <SpeedEvil> when i was 10, I was programming in ZX basic
Jun 09 05:04:30 <Shoruken> isn't it difficult living there if your'e not jewish?
Jun 09 05:04:43 <DocScrutinizer> hah
Jun 09 05:04:44 <MohammadAG> nah, the media makes it look bad
Jun 09 05:04:51 <hiemanshu> When I was 10, I was eating mud, and watching cartoons
Jun 09 05:04:56 <hiemanshu> </joking>
Jun 09 05:04:57 <DocScrutinizer> there's been no ZX basic either
Jun 09 05:05:07 <MohammadAG> brb, shower then exam
Jun 09 05:05:21 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: all the best for that
Jun 09 05:05:23 <Shoruken> i don't even know what zx basic is
Jun 09 05:05:35 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jun 09 05:05:50 <hiemanshu> Well when I was 10, I knew how to format Windows machine, fix most of their issues, and knew quite a bit of Basic
Jun 09 05:05:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki zx81
Jun 09 05:05:57 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zx81 (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox information appliance | name = Sinclair ZX81 | image = | caption = | developer = Sinclair Research | manufacturer = Timex Corporation | type = Home computer | generation = | releasedate = {{Start date|df=yes|1981|03|05}}Crisp (6-3-1981) | lifespan = | price = £49.95 kit, £69.95 assembled (in 1981) (equivalent to £{{formatnum:{{inflation|UK|49.95|1981|r=0}}}} – ...
Jun 09 05:06:39 <Shoruken> yeah there's a ton of these old weird computers with weird names before i knew what anything was
Jun 09 05:07:25 <DocScrutinizer> there's a lot of old farts like me that were waiting to those weird computers to get to know me
Jun 09 05:07:27 <SpeedEvil> It was one of the first generation of home microcomputers.
Jun 09 05:07:42 <hiemanshu> I still have my own Win 3.1 box, with 4M RAM and stuff
Jun 09 05:07:50 <SpeedEvil> That wasn't a bare board, but had a case, and plugged into a TV.
Jun 09 05:08:42 <GonzoTheGreat> MohammadAG: re notifications, I was thinking of something cross-platform ;-)
Jun 09 05:08:44 <Shoruken> i learned to read on a windows 3.1 game called "treasure mountain"
Jun 09 05:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki nascom-ii
Jun 09 05:08:51 <Shoruken> i still remember the music 
Jun 09 05:08:53 <infobot> I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=nascom-ii&go=Go
Jun 09 05:09:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~wiki nascom
Jun 09 05:09:50 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nascom (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'Nascom' 1 and 2 were single-board computer kits issued in 1977 and 1979, respectively, based on the Zilog Z80 and including a keyboard and video interface, a serial port that could be used to store data on a tape cassette using the Kansas City standard, and two 8-bit parallel ports. At this time, including a full keyboard and video display interface was uncommon, as most ...
Jun 09 05:11:57 <DocScrutinizer> nascom1 actually
Jun 09 05:11:58 <Shoruken> so DocScrutinizer is the 40 year old engineer :P
Jun 09 05:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, thanks
Jun 09 05:13:33 * GonzoTheGreat is waiting expectantly for a rant
Jun 09 05:14:02 <hiemanshu> ah
Jun 09 05:14:06 * hiemanshu is still a kid too
Jun 09 05:15:11 * GonzoTheGreat has kids - two
Jun 09 05:15:46 <Shoruken> how does this irc community affect productivity for you guys that're doing things?
Jun 09 05:16:10 <Shoruken> always felt like my problem was that I had no friends interested in programming
Jun 09 05:16:24 <DocScrutinizer> IRC is killing me
Jun 09 05:16:30 <Shoruken> how so
Jun 09 05:17:32 <DocScrutinizer> withdrawal symptoms are unbearable
Jun 09 05:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> IRCing 24/7 also is
Jun 09 05:18:10 <Shoruken> you addict!
Jun 09 05:18:21 <GonzoTheGreat> BTW, which IRC client are people using under maemo?
Jun 09 05:18:28 <DocScrutinizer> xchat
Jun 09 05:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> FTW
Jun 09 05:18:45 <Shoruken> i think last time I was on here was approx a year ago, for several weeks. saw you here all the time DocScrutinizer
Jun 09 05:18:52 <hiemanshu> GonzoTheGreat: irssi
Jun 09 05:19:11 <DocScrutinizer> Shoruken: I never left since ;-P
Jun 09 05:19:14 <Shoruken> i'm using Xchat for windows ;)... but it says ychat
Jun 09 05:19:48 * GonzoTheGreat thinks DocScrutinizer is a bot
Jun 09 05:20:03 <Shoruken> prob a deviation of cleverbot
Jun 09 05:20:06 <DocScrutinizer> damn, he found out
Jun 09 05:20:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Jun 09 05:20:22 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: aw, gee
Jun 09 05:20:59 <Shoruken> what other eastereggs this infobot have?
Jun 09 05:20:59 <DocScrutinizer51> ~docsnack
Jun 09 05:21:00 * infobot snaps the snack in a flying jump, and runs to bring it to DocScrutinizer. Halfway there, eats snack
Jun 09 05:21:01 <hiemanshu> well, most of us have bouncers :D
Jun 09 05:21:08 <GonzoTheGreat> well designed and open-source though ;-)
Jun 09 05:22:19 <SpeedEvil> xchat too here.
Jun 09 05:22:36 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunatly it eats battery on gsm, or worse 3G
Jun 09 05:23:19 <Shoruken> i was prettty impressed with xchat on maemo last time i used it ~year ago
Jun 09 05:23:35 <Shoruken> it actually seemed more solid than this windows version
Jun 09 05:24:11 <Shoruken> i can't seem to find a windows irc client that works as nicely the ones in linux
Jun 09 05:25:58 <SpeedEvil> Interesting - latest battery measurement - 1167mAh. One I dug up from last year - 1263
Jun 09 05:26:00 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: who are you
Jun 09 05:26:02 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: I think you lost me on that one
Jun 09 05:26:06 <SpeedEvil> Somewhat better than i'd have thought.
Jun 09 05:26:22 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: what are you
Jun 09 05:26:23 <infobot> I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
Jun 09 05:27:09 <Shoruken> so infobot is what DocScrutinizer talks to whenever everyone else is idling
Jun 09 05:27:15 <Shoruken> gotcha ;P
Jun 09 05:34:40 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: quassel?
Jun 09 05:34:46 <Shoruken> VAT?
Jun 09 05:34:51 <DocScrutinizer> eeew, skynet is shaking
Jun 09 05:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> VAT: 19%
Jun 09 05:35:13 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: Quassel is a pretty awesome cross platform client written in Qt
Jun 09 05:35:23 <Shoruken> brb d/ling quassel
Jun 09 05:38:22 <Shoruken_> this looks kinda weird
Jun 09 05:38:47 <hiemanshu> looks weird?
Jun 09 05:38:54 <Shoruken_> padding on main input textbox doesn't center text
Jun 09 05:39:22 <Shoruken_> and there's an invisible column i'm assuming based on biggest username
Jun 09 05:39:33 <hiemanshu> works for me
Jun 09 05:39:47 <Shoruken_> 04COLORS?!
Jun 09 05:40:07 <hiemanshu> :P
Jun 09 05:40:08 <Shoruken_> xchat didn't have colors
Jun 09 05:40:20 <hiemanshu> yes
Jun 09 05:40:27 <hiemanshu> thats why I love this, so many features
Jun 09 05:40:28 <Shoruken_> well i'm sold
Jun 09 05:40:31 <hiemanshu> and its not that old
Jun 09 05:40:39 <hiemanshu> I use this on all 3 OSs just fine
Jun 09 05:40:56 <Shoruken_> padding is kinda annoying but whatever
Jun 09 05:41:11 <hiemanshu> you'll get used to that
Jun 09 05:41:32 <hiemanshu> brb reboot
Jun 09 05:57:23 <hiemanshu> hmm, setting up scratchbox on fedora is a pain :/
Jun 09 05:59:08 <Shoruken> gui installer doesn't work?
Jun 09 06:00:01 <hiemanshu> well no, the .py needs to be patched
Jun 09 06:00:27 <hiemanshu> I downloaded the VMware image, but VMs are too slow on a laptop :(
Jun 09 06:01:00 <Shoruken> aye esp on mine ;)
Jun 09 06:01:43 <Shoruken> but i've got two laptops so i kinda just use the one that i don't use as a test system
Jun 09 06:04:11 <hiemanshu> ah, well I run Fedora, and Ubuntu isn't something I'd want to install :P
Jun 09 06:04:29 <Shoruken> i'm actually blown away at how awesome my ultraportable alienware laptop has been for me, coming from my built desktops
Jun 09 06:05:19 <Shoruken> esp that it only cost me $569 and it has been my main comp the past 5 months
Jun 09 06:05:43 <Shoruken> why do you liek fedora over ubuntu?
Jun 09 06:06:37 <hiemanshu> well first off its not debian based :P, next it has bleeding edge software, which is just awesome for devs, and you need to always support the latest version of software when you are building something
Jun 09 06:06:56 <hiemanshu> there quite a lot of things
Jun 09 06:07:11 <Shoruken> i thought the ubuntu repositories had bleeding edge stuff too?
Jun 09 06:07:22 <hiemanshu> fedora doesn't mess with the placement of config files in /etc, the way ubuntu/debian does
Jun 09 06:07:34 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: naah, you need PPAs and stuff for that
Jun 09 06:07:50 <Shoruken> oh cool i like how quassel shows someone is talking to me
Jun 09 06:08:07 <hiemanshu> yeah
Jun 09 06:08:09 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: tried gentoo?
Jun 09 06:08:10 <hiemanshu> orange lines
Jun 09 06:08:22 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: yup, but not enough time to sit and compile from source :P
Jun 09 06:08:41 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: ya i spent a full week compliing kernels trying to get "the right one"
Jun 09 06:08:59 <hiemanshu> I got the kernel just right, I have a .config saved up 
Jun 09 06:09:02 <Shoruken> but my touchpad had issues
Jun 09 06:09:06 <Shoruken> in every single one
Jun 09 06:09:11 <hiemanshu> but I couldn't get sound working, so I just left it :P
Jun 09 06:09:12 <Shoruken> it'd jump around randomly while touching it
Jun 09 06:09:40 <hiemanshu> and when I got sound working, I didn't have enough time to complete the rest of the setup, so I poped in the fedora DVD and re-installed
Jun 09 06:09:45 <Shoruken> I've personally only really liked fedora core, suse, and ubuntu and i've tried just bout all of 'em
Jun 09 06:09:59 <Shoruken> fedora core is the only thing i could get compiz working on 6 years ago
Jun 09 06:10:22 <Shoruken> i've not dabbled around much at all recently 
Jun 09 06:10:40 <Shoruken> and my alienware has some discrete graphics that can be turned off that isn't really supported in linux
Jun 09 06:10:45 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: are you old too? :P
Jun 09 06:10:53 <Shoruken> 25 
Jun 09 06:11:00 <hiemanshu> ah, not much older than me
Jun 09 06:11:10 <hiemanshu> well, I have been using linux for about 5 years now
Jun 09 06:11:13 <hiemanshu> 4-5 years
Jun 09 06:11:34 <Shoruken> in between my MMO addictions i'd install every popular distro and stick witht he one i liked for a few months
Jun 09 06:11:39 <Shoruken> until going back to windows to game
Jun 09 06:11:59 <ruskie> never tried any of the linux games?
Jun 09 06:12:05 <hiemanshu> well I always dual booted
Jun 09 06:12:06 <ruskie> or maybe wine?
Jun 09 06:12:11 <Shoruken> only reason i'm not using it now is cause my laptop gets ~7 hours battery life in windows
Jun 09 06:12:11 <hiemanshu> ruskie: Crysis 2 on wine?
Jun 09 06:12:39 <ruskie> I'd get a ps3 or xbox for gaming in that case really ;)
Jun 09 06:12:43 <Shoruken> i was playing WoW in wine for awhile and it was acceptable, but after seeing what it looked like in windows i switched
Jun 09 06:12:53 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: I tried about 40 different distros before settling on fedora :P
Jun 09 06:12:59 <Shoruken> dayum
Jun 09 06:13:01 <Shoruken> more than me!
Jun 09 06:13:08 <hiemanshu> ruskie: well I have a gaming machine that only runs windows :P
Jun 09 06:13:16 <ruskie> that works as well I guess
Jun 09 06:13:30 <ruskie> only place I use windows every so often is @work
Jun 09 06:13:31 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: yeah, new to linux back then, so wanted to try out everything 
Jun 09 06:13:39 <Shoruken> i still need to sit down and learn to use vim 
Jun 09 06:13:47 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: vimtutor :P
Jun 09 06:13:58 <Shoruken> hiemanshu:  i've done that whole thing twice
Jun 09 06:14:05 <Shoruken> but i don't use it enough to remember lol
Jun 09 06:14:08 <ruskie> not worth it really
Jun 09 06:14:10 <ruskie> just start using it
Jun 09 06:14:23 <ruskie> important to know how to start editing, stop and save|not save
Jun 09 06:14:30 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: hah
Jun 09 06:14:35 <ruskie> everything else you'll pickup along the way
Jun 09 06:14:41 <hiemanshu> well, I used vimtutor once
Jun 09 06:14:42 <Shoruken> i got fed up when i coudln't get c++ code completion working
Jun 09 06:14:47 <hiemanshu> and then I kept using vim
Jun 09 06:14:54 <hiemanshu> and kept googling on how to do stuff
Jun 09 06:15:10 <hiemanshu> and well I know quite a bit of vim, but not enough to be counted l33t :P
Jun 09 06:15:17 <ruskie> I started using vim the first week I started running linux... along with rolling my own kernel
Jun 09 06:15:36 <Shoruken> how much faster would you say vim is than using a normal editor?
Jun 09 06:15:49 <Shoruken> for you personally
Jun 09 06:16:13 <hiemanshu> well vim is much better than nano yeah, but Kate > vim :P
Jun 09 06:16:27 <Shoruken> oh i hated nano
Jun 09 06:16:28 <ruskie> hehe
Jun 09 06:16:35 <ruskie> I actually used nano for quite some time
Jun 09 06:16:42 <ruskie> but in the end switched to vim
Jun 09 06:17:02 <hiemanshu> yeah, I used nano in the starting for basic edits, until I learnt not systems have nano, and learnt vi
Jun 09 06:17:07 <ruskie> it gets slow if you want to do syntax highlighting
Jun 09 06:17:12 <hiemanshu> only later to discover, some called it pico
Jun 09 06:17:19 <ruskie> they don't actuall
Jun 09 06:17:20 <ruskie> y
Jun 09 06:17:21 <Shoruken> isn't pico just like nano?
Jun 09 06:17:24 <ruskie> pico is the pine editor
Jun 09 06:17:29 <ruskie> actually pine composer
Jun 09 06:17:41 <ruskie> nano is a clone of pine
Jun 09 06:17:46 <ruskie> erm
Jun 09 06:17:46 <ruskie> pico
Jun 09 06:17:47 <hiemanshu> yeah
Jun 09 06:17:47 <ruskie> gah
Jun 09 06:17:49 <ruskie> can't type today
Jun 09 06:18:10 <ruskie> pico had license issues
Jun 09 06:18:15 <ruskie> hence why nano got started
Jun 09 06:18:27 <ruskie> now pico no longer has license issues
Jun 09 06:18:44 <Shoruken> i'll prob start vimming it up if i someone decides to buy me the macbook air 
Jun 09 06:19:00 <hiemanshu> well I am waiting for the refresh of the MBAs
Jun 09 06:19:05 <hiemanshu> should happpen later this month
Jun 09 06:19:08 <Shoruken> refresh?
Jun 09 06:19:15 <Shoruken> i don't keep up on apple stuff what's going on?
Jun 09 06:19:27 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: refresh = change in processor and stuff
Jun 09 06:19:35 <hiemanshu> they will upgrade the MBAs to SB
Jun 09 06:19:37 <ruskie> the usual... we'll add a new bit of colour to it and charge twice as much as the old ones...
Jun 09 06:19:38 <Shoruken> so what's gonna happen
Jun 09 06:19:39 <Shoruken> SB?
Jun 09 06:20:12 <Shoruken> sandy bridge?
Jun 09 06:20:57 <hiemanshu> yeah sandybridge, and thunderbolt
Jun 09 06:21:11 <hiemanshu> ruskie: naah, its actually getting cheaper
Jun 09 06:21:18 <Shoruken> oooh really they'll have thunderbolt?!
Jun 09 06:21:26 <hiemanshu> yup
Jun 09 06:21:27 <Shoruken> will they be teh same price?
Jun 09 06:21:45 <hiemanshu> yes, they should be
Jun 09 06:21:51 <Shoruken> when do you expect them coming out?
Jun 09 06:21:56 <hiemanshu> this month
Jun 09 06:22:18 <Shoruken> well damn.
Jun 09 06:22:43 <Shoruken> found it: http://www.ismashphone.com/2011/06/macbook-air-due-for-a-refresh.html
Jun 09 06:23:13 <hiemanshu> yeah
Jun 09 06:23:22 * hiemanshu follows hardware closely
Jun 09 06:23:24 <Shoruken> ya thunderbolt is amazing
Jun 09 06:23:40 <Shoruken> any idea if the i5 is going to affect battery life?
Jun 09 06:23:42 <hiemanshu> I am expecting in about the 3rd week or starting of the 4th week at the max
Jun 09 06:23:52 <hiemanshu> well i5 should increase it
Jun 09 06:24:33 <Shoruken> i know that my m11x core2duo has much lower voltage cpu than the other cpus the m11x can be configured with
Jun 09 06:24:53 <hiemanshu> well the m11x has a ULV
Jun 09 06:24:54 <Ikarus[N900]> meh @ twitter plugin for contacts and conversations
Jun 09 06:24:57 <Ikarus[N900]> keeps breaking for me
Jun 09 06:25:01 <hiemanshu> SU7300 if I am right
Jun 09 06:25:14 <Shoruken> aye SU7300
Jun 09 06:25:27 <Shoruken> i did a pin mod on the PLL overclocked it to 2GHz
Jun 09 06:25:37 <hiemanshu> never do a pin mod ever
Jun 09 06:25:44 <hiemanshu> you'll end up blowing up the CPU
Jun 09 06:26:21 <Shoruken> i didn't increase the voltage or anything and it works pretty well
Jun 09 06:26:26 <Shoruken> same temps
Jun 09 06:26:37 <hiemanshu> that isn't the thing
Jun 09 06:26:56 <hiemanshu> laptops aren't meant to be overclocked
Jun 09 06:27:12 <hiemanshu> there is a reason you have desktops and water cooling :P
Jun 09 06:28:19 <Shoruken> seems i phase out hardware so fast it doesn't matter
Jun 09 06:28:38 <Shoruken> everything i've OC'd in my life thus far has not failed me yet
Jun 09 06:28:39 <hiemanshu> I just give away older hardware most of the time
Jun 09 06:29:18 <ruskie> this is why I prefer a console... ;)
Jun 09 06:29:19 <Shoruken> and i've a desktop e6400 overclocked to 3.2GHz on air nonstop
Jun 09 06:29:34 <Shoruken> but it's not with me ;(
Jun 09 06:30:08 <Shoruken> only thing i want a console for is guitar hero :)
Jun 09 06:30:22 <Shoruken> and i wanna try out demons souls 
Jun 09 06:30:58 <hiemanshu> ruskie: PC has much better graphics than console, and well I am one who cares a lot about how everything on the screen looks
Jun 09 06:31:52 <Shoruken> well i'm pretty happy that you've told me about this mba refresh
Jun 09 06:31:54 <Shoruken> are you buying one too?
Jun 09 06:32:17 <Shoruken> it'd be my first mac ever owned
Jun 09 06:32:20 <ruskie> hiemanshu, ahh I prefer the it just works mentality that I never had on PC
Jun 09 06:32:28 <Ikarus[N900]> hmz anyone want to recommend a twitter app ? can't pick which works best
Jun 09 06:32:30 <ruskie> and the stupid upgrade every 3 months to be able to play whatever
Jun 09 06:32:36 <Shoruken> what
Jun 09 06:32:47 <Shoruken> my 5 year old computer can play most current games
Jun 09 06:32:56 <Shoruken> and i'ver only upgraded the vid card once
Jun 09 06:33:03 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: yes I am getting one
Jun 09 06:33:12 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: 11 or 13? 
Jun 09 06:33:13 <hiemanshu> Ikarus[N900]: mobile.twitter.com?
Jun 09 06:33:17 <ruskie> I'm assuming you already put quite a bit of cash in the initial one anyway
Jun 09 06:33:21 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: 13, 11 is too small for my huge hands :P
Jun 09 06:33:23 <Shoruken> i heard the 13 one out now had viewing angle problems
Jun 09 06:33:33 <hiemanshu> naah
Jun 09 06:33:38 <hiemanshu> its just fine
Jun 09 06:33:42 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: are the keys actually diff size?
Jun 09 06:33:46 <Ikarus[N900]> hiemanshu: quite suboptimal
Jun 09 06:33:48 <hiemanshu> slightly yeah
Jun 09 06:34:30 <hiemanshu> ruskie: well sure, it just works, I get most of my stuff from steam, so well, "It Works"(TM)
Jun 09 06:34:41 <Shoruken> ruskie: ya but i'm a PC enthusiast and i kinda like dealing with broken things
Jun 09 06:35:04 <Shoruken> and from what i've heard PSN was down for like  a month ors o?
Jun 09 06:35:10 <robbiethe1st> Yes
Jun 09 06:35:11 <robbiethe1st> it was
Jun 09 06:35:13 <hiemanshu> ruskie: esp if you are using linux, you shouldn't be used to "It just works" :P
Jun 09 06:35:14 <Shoruken> so ps3 online gaming seems terrible
Jun 09 06:35:23 <Shoruken> at least recently
Jun 09 06:35:38 <robbiethe1st> hiemanshu: Erm, Linux "just works" a lot more than Windows
Jun 09 06:35:50 <ruskie> hiemanshu, I never had issues with linux just working
Jun 09 06:36:02 <Shoruken> robbiethe1st: on some hardware ya
Jun 09 06:36:04 <ruskie> Shoruken, same here... still doesn't mean I'll waste my money on a windows license
Jun 09 06:36:04 <hiemanshu> ruskie: well not every time :P
Jun 09 06:36:11 <hiemanshu> robbiethe1st: not true
Jun 09 06:36:28 <robbiethe1st> Shoruken: Most hardware I've found. occasionally had to install a wifi driver, but again, easy.
Jun 09 06:36:37 <ruskie> Shoruken, as for the psn downtime... gameing was restored start of may sometime
Jun 09 06:36:53 <ruskie> it was the other functionality that was delayed
Jun 09 06:36:56 <hiemanshu> robbiethe1st: I couldn't get anything working decently when I got this laptop (i3 processor with intel GPU)
Jun 09 06:37:17 <hiemanshu> robbiethe1st: I had to install fedora alpha, and wait for a month, till Intel released proper drivers
Jun 09 06:37:22 <hiemanshu> but Windows just worked 
Jun 09 06:37:33 <Shoruken> the only reason i don't even have ubuntu installed on a diff partition on my current comp is that it has discrete graphics
Jun 09 06:37:50 <robbiethe1st> Well, that's a matter of brand new hardware and the company not releasing proper drivers
Jun 09 06:37:57 <robbiethe1st> Can't exactly blame Linux for that
Jun 09 06:38:00 <ruskie> or the spocs for the drivers
Jun 09 06:38:02 <ruskie> erm specs
Jun 09 06:38:19 <Shoruken> i'm not hating on linux, im just justifying why i'm not in it right now ;P
Jun 09 06:38:24 <hiemanshu> robbiethe1st: sure, but in that case it doesn't really work OOB perfectly
Jun 09 06:38:24 <ruskie> the one thing I do with any hw purchase is examine if all the hw I'm buying is supported for the OS I'm using(whatever that OS is)
Jun 09 06:38:34 <ruskie> if it isn't supported well enough I just won't buy it
Jun 09 06:38:53 <hiemanshu> well dell is known to support linux on all its laptops
Jun 09 06:38:58 <hiemanshu> and well it works just fine now
Jun 09 06:39:08 <Shoruken> my m1530 works flawlessly with ubuntu
Jun 09 06:39:13 <Shoruken> in every regard
Jun 09 06:39:18 <ruskie> as for 3d acceleration on linux... I don't really care since most of my work is done in terminals
Jun 09 06:39:55 <hiemanshu> well I need the 3D for the occasional games
Jun 09 06:40:01 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: when the new MBA comes out will they sell the other ones super discounted?
Jun 09 06:40:04 <robbiethe1st> I'm very impressed with Nvidia
Jun 09 06:40:15 <robbiethe1st> Their proprietary drivers work nicely
Jun 09 06:40:23 <hiemanshu> robbiethe1st: because they haven't ported optimus to linux? and never will?
Jun 09 06:40:27 <ruskie> I'm more impressed with AMD... they actually release specs for their cards
Jun 09 06:40:35 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: the people who sstill have stocks will yes
Jun 09 06:40:36 <robbiethe1st> Haven't run into it
Jun 09 06:40:54 <hiemanshu> robbiethe1st: thats the reason, I am not getting any new laptop with a nvidia card
Jun 09 06:40:56 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: how much can we expect?
Jun 09 06:41:02 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: no idea
Jun 09 06:41:10 <hiemanshu> ruskie: sure, but the drivers barely work
Jun 09 06:41:23 <hiemanshu> Intel is a safe bet right now if you want mainly for web and coding and stuff
Jun 09 06:41:26 <robbiethe1st> Well, yea, I'd make sure whatever doesn't have unsupported tech
Jun 09 06:41:36 <ruskie> hiemanshu, hell AMD even recommends using the open source drivers for their older cards
Jun 09 06:42:17 <robbiethe1st> Then again, my T500 laptop with switchable AMD graphics doesn't have switching on Linux... But then it doesn't have it on XP, nor W7(at least, it didn't a few months ago)
Jun 09 06:42:20 <hiemanshu> ruskie: well yeah, but nouveau works much better IMHO
Jun 09 06:42:22 <Shoruken> still can't believe thunderbolt is coming out this soon
Jun 09 06:42:38 <ruskie> hiemanshu, really? last I heard it doesn't even do 3d accell
Jun 09 06:42:43 <Shoruken> robbiethe1st: so jsut vista?
Jun 09 06:42:47 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: there is thunderbolt on the iMacs and MBPs
Jun 09 06:42:47 <robbiethe1st> Apparently
Jun 09 06:42:51 <hiemanshu> ruskie: it works fine on fedora
Jun 09 06:43:10 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: when is it coming out on non apple hardware?
Jun 09 06:43:14 <ruskie> hiemanshu, you sure you're not actually using nvidia_driver on there?
Jun 09 06:43:15 <robbiethe1st> I, of course, have never had it work not having Vista, but I don't care. I set it in the bios to AMD graphics, and that's good for me
Jun 09 06:43:19 <crashanddie> and here I was, thinking this channel was about an embedded Linux operating system, and not ##amd-vs-intel-vs-nvidia-flamewars
Jun 09 06:43:20 <hiemanshu> ruskie: yes
Jun 09 06:43:58 <hiemanshu> ruskie: well atleast it works on my card just perfectly
Jun 09 06:43:59 <robbiethe1st> crashanddie: You think wrong, obviously.
Jun 09 06:44:36 <hiemanshu> crashanddie: where there is linux, there is flamewares :P
Jun 09 06:44:37 <ruskie> hiemanshu, so 2D only?
Jun 09 06:44:52 <hiemanshu> ruskie: nope, 3D with compiz
Jun 09 06:44:56 <Shoruken> hiemanshu: the intel graphics on the new MBA will be worse than the nvidias?
Jun 09 06:44:56 <ruskie> crashanddie, we simply are having a civil discusion about it
Jun 09 06:45:00 <ruskie> hiemanshu, compiz isn't 3D
Jun 09 06:45:11 <crashanddie> ruskie, it's still completely off-topic ;)
Jun 09 06:45:21 <ruskie> crashanddie, nobody was really discussing anything
Jun 09 06:45:23 <hiemanshu> ruskie: well yeah, but most of the games worked
Jun 09 06:45:37 <hiemanshu> Shoruken: thtas not decided yet
Jun 09 06:45:41 <ruskie> hiemanshu, which ones?
Jun 09 06:45:45 <crashanddie> ruskie, oh, OK then
Jun 09 06:45:52 <hiemanshu> ruskie: nouveau with mesa-dri-experimental
Jun 09 06:45:55 <ruskie> ahh
Jun 09 06:46:05 <ruskie> hmm mabye I should try that on my new work box
Jun 09 06:46:10 <ruskie> which has a nvidia card
Jun 09 06:46:22 <hiemanshu> games like openarena and stuff worked fine
Jun 09 06:46:23 <crashanddie> ruskie, just FYI, do you also use cemeteries as camping ground because "no one else was using it"?
Jun 09 06:46:35 <ruskie> hiemanshu, nice to hear
Jun 09 06:47:32 <Ikarus[N900]> meh, need to patch xchat
Jun 09 06:47:47 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 09 06:47:56 <Ikarus[N900]> to remove or move the close button so you can't fat finger it
Jun 09 06:48:01 <hiemanshu> ruskie: we have it from fedora 13, which will be EOL soon
Jun 09 06:54:27 <Ikarus[N900]> well, khweeteur simply doesn't work... next
Jun 09 06:59:39 <ruskie> hiemanshu, I run from source so not an issue from me
Jun 09 07:01:44 <DocScrutinizer> Ikarus[N900]: please publish that patch, or send me a copy of the binary :-)
Jun 09 07:01:47 <crashanddie> Ikarus[N900], why doesn't it work?
Jun 09 07:02:18 <crashanddie> Ikarus[N900], the dev is relatively easy to get a hold of, and he's very responsive.
Jun 09 07:02:28 <crashanddie> I'm sure he'd be happy to improve his application.
Jun 09 07:02:42 <crashanddie> If only you have the common courtesy of telling him if it's broken.
Jun 09 07:03:49 <hiemanshu> ruskie: ah
Jun 09 07:04:39 <Ikarus[N900]> crashanddie: hmhm, I'll post a bug report but it seems to be a rather obscure bug
Jun 09 07:04:41 <ruskie> but I do require stability on a work system
Jun 09 07:05:08 <acidjazz> alright
Jun 09 07:05:11 <Ikarus[N900]> ie, it hangs at a random point when first adding an account
Jun 09 07:05:17 <acidjazz> i got one hour at sfo and i need to reset this n900
Jun 09 07:05:17 <Ikarus[N900]> doc|home: will do
Jun 09 07:05:25 <Ikarus[N900]> err,miscomplete
Jun 09 07:11:53 <acidjazz> so where is the image
Jun 09 07:12:00 <acidjazz> the latest n900 firmware/etc
Jun 09 07:12:33 <hiemanshu> acidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 09 07:12:37 <hiemanshu> the links are there
Jun 09 07:12:54 <acidjazz> yea im there 
Jun 09 07:13:05 <acidjazz> i go to osx then gui w/ 770 then the link to dl the image goes nowhere
Jun 09 07:13:20 <acidjazz> here ? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
Jun 09 07:13:35 <hiemanshu> acidjazz: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device
Jun 09 07:13:37 <hiemanshu> yeah there
Jun 09 07:14:43 <acidjazz> ah got it
Jun 09 07:14:47 <acidjazz> ok i entered my code
Jun 09 07:15:04 <acidjazz> so then latest maemo 5 USA release?
Jun 09 07:16:08 <acidjazz> or a vanilla version?
Jun 09 07:16:28 <hiemanshu> take anything, just grab the pr1.3 image
Jun 09 07:17:16 <acidjazz> sweet
Jun 09 07:17:17 <acidjazz> tnx
Jun 09 07:17:46 <acidjazz> gogo airport wifi
Jun 09 07:36:57 <acidjazz> suitable usb device not found .. waiting
Jun 09 07:37:01 <acidjazz> should my n900 be on to flash it?
Jun 09 07:38:28 <SpeedEvil> Take the battery out. 
Jun 09 07:38:42 <SpeedEvil> plug into USB port, in the 'waiting' state. put teh battery in.
Jun 09 07:38:52 <SpeedEvil> leave device face-down on table
Jun 09 07:39:06 <SpeedEvil> Don't need to press anything
Jun 09 07:41:26 <hiemanshu> acidjazz: well, hold u before you put your USB in, that way its easier
Jun 09 07:41:51 <hiemanshu> the key 'u' :)
Jun 09 07:42:36 <acidjazz> i see tnx
Jun 09 07:43:13 <acidjazz> lol take the battery out?
Jun 09 07:43:14 <acidjazz> that owrks?
Jun 09 07:43:28 <hiemanshu> well yeah, take it out, put it back in, (dont switch it on)
Jun 09 07:43:46 <acidjazz> ethat in combination of the u ?
Jun 09 07:43:48 <acidjazz> that*
Jun 09 07:43:58 <hiemanshu> hold the key 'U' and then plug in the USB, leave the U key once you see a USB icon on the top right
Jun 09 07:44:14 <hiemanshu> well just hold U, when you put in the USB
Jun 09 07:44:26 <acidjazz> how long
Jun 09 07:44:56 <acidjazz> battery out and hodl 'u' before plugging it in?
Jun 09 07:45:18 <hiemanshu> err no
Jun 09 07:45:22 <Ken-Young> A couple of days ago, my N900 stopped being able to sync with Google's calendar and contacts from my gmail account.   It had worked properly for over one year, and then it just stopped working.   I get the message "Error in communication with Exchange Server".   Has anyone else seen that problem?
Jun 09 07:45:23 <hiemanshu> battery out, back in 
Jun 09 07:45:37 <hiemanshu> hold u, plug in USB, wait for 5 seconds, release U
Jun 09 07:45:40 <hiemanshu> and it should flash
Jun 09 07:45:41 <kerio> hiemanshu: never a miscommunication!
Jun 09 07:45:56 <hiemanshu> kerio: ?
Jun 09 07:46:00 <acidjazz> no usb thing ont he screen... ill troy anyways
Jun 09 07:46:58 <hiemanshu> acidjazz: the updating the firmware page has everythign
Jun 09 07:48:45 <acidjazz> yea i know i read it all
Jun 09 07:48:47 <acidjazz> tried this 10 times
Jun 09 07:48:56 <acidjazz> no little usb light thingy holding the 'u'
Jun 09 07:49:11 <acidjazz> should the charger light be on or off or pulsating?
Jun 09 07:49:26 <hiemanshu> wait, what exactly are yo udoing/.
Jun 09 07:49:29 <hiemanshu> ?(
Jun 09 07:49:31 <hiemanshu> ?*
Jun 09 07:49:37 <acidjazz> trying to flash my n900
Jun 09 07:49:48 <hiemanshu> I mean while flashing :P
Jun 09 07:49:49 <acidjazz> ok its starting to boot up now
Jun 09 07:49:55 <acidjazz> im gonna boot it up .. shut it down
Jun 09 07:49:58 <acidjazz> remove battery
Jun 09 07:50:00 <acidjazz> put battery back in
Jun 09 07:50:05 <acidjazz> hold u .. connect usb
Jun 09 07:50:11 <acidjazz> then run 770 flash
Jun 09 07:50:17 <hiemanshu> 770 flash?
Jun 09 07:50:29 <acidjazz> 770flasher
Jun 09 07:50:58 <hiemanshu> acidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
Jun 09 07:51:01 <hiemanshu> use the flasher from there
Jun 09 07:51:41 <acidjazz> k tnxs brb goin to terminal
Jun 09 08:15:02 <hiemanshu> darned SDK installer, why does it have to redownload everything? :/
Jun 09 08:32:24 <Etu> Hey, im trying to flash my N900 with maemo, to reset it completly.
Jun 09 08:32:44 <Etu> Im in a Ubuntu 11.04 system and Im unable to run the flasher
Jun 09 08:32:54 <Etu> ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Jun 09 08:33:43 <robbiethe1st> You need to install the ia32-libs packages
Jun 09 08:33:49 <robbiethe1st> it's a 32-bit application
Jun 09 08:35:10 <Etu> Where do I find it? Im not used to apt, I usualy runs gentoo
Jun 09 08:35:57 <alterego> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs 
Jun 09 08:36:52 <Etu> okok
Jun 09 08:37:09 <Etu> There we go, thanks :)
Jun 09 08:49:41 <lardman> morning
Jun 09 08:55:45 * RST38h wonders what is making Mozilla people continue releasing Fennec for N900
Jun 09 08:56:04 <RST38h> The thing is completely unusable.
Jun 09 08:56:56 <robbiethe1st> Eh, it /works/ I'll give it that
Jun 09 08:56:59 <robbiethe1st> slow, yes
Jun 09 08:57:27 <psycho_oreos> I wondered if it was just some crond build bot constantly building the same source but with different dates appended to the filename lol
Jun 09 08:57:29 <robbiethe1st> I'd be very happy if I could simply toss it's rendering engine behind the stock browser, which has a *much* better gui
Jun 09 08:58:47 <Venemo> morning
Jun 09 08:58:58 <Venemo> ~seen MohammadAG
Jun 09 08:59:06 <infobot> mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 53m 57s ago, saying: 'brb, shower then exam'.
Jun 09 09:01:04 <psycho_oreos> they need to cut lots of bloat off on their `Nightly' version. Apart from version numbers going up very slowly and maybe slightly different dates it just seems like hardly anything has changed apart from the naming of the product
Jun 09 09:03:07 <RST38h> That is not bloat, that is features!!!
Jun 09 09:10:52 * chem|st forgot how lone it takes to write random numbers to 1TB over usb2^^ 16h 68% done (for some reason usb3 got a hickup)
Jun 09 09:11:14 <RST38h> But....why?
Jun 09 09:11:27 <phap> Hi everyone!
Jun 09 09:13:32 <phap> I have a little annoying problem: In the settings I have already disabled network positioning, but still, every time I open sygic or another program which requires gps, it always ask: 'enable network-based positioning', and I don't want this. Any ideas?
Jun 09 09:30:15 <kerio> chem|st: why do you need that? :<
Jun 09 09:33:49 <chem|st> kerio: http://paste.debian.net/119294/
Jun 09 09:34:03 <chem|st> or do you mean the encryption?
Jun 09 09:34:45 <chem|st> ah sorry encryption^^
Jun 09 09:35:07 <chem|st> and the pastebin is my xhci throw-up
Jun 09 09:58:47 <lardman> hmm, CTO news doesn't look very promising
Jun 09 09:58:54 <lardman> unless they get rid of Elop of course
Jun 09 10:16:16 <lcuk> lardman, news where?
Jun 09 10:18:39 <petteri> rich green is leaving nokia
Jun 09 10:22:25 <psycho_oreos> so?
Jun 09 10:31:02 <summel> anyone got blessn900 working? :/
Jun 09 10:31:25 <psycho_oreos> vague question
Jun 09 10:31:55 <summel> if i install the fcam drivers no camera app at all is working anymore
Jun 09 10:32:04 <summel> and i cant install the newer version from the website :O
Jun 09 10:33:01 <chem|st> summel: any modifications like OC'ed kernel-power or special devel things?
Jun 09 10:33:06 <psycho_oreos> which kernel are you using?
Jun 09 10:33:15 <summel> chem|st: no
Jun 09 10:33:21 <summel> im running the latest one from nokia
Jun 09 10:33:26 <summel> did not yet enable cssu
Jun 09 10:33:31 <summel> but thought about doing that now
Jun 09 10:33:50 <psycho_oreos> latest one = nokia's stock kernel
Jun 09 10:34:12 <psycho_oreos> you might be able to get it working if you installed fcam from extras-devel
Jun 09 10:35:25 <chem|st> blessn900 + old-fcam did not work
Jun 09 10:35:49 <summel> :o so i have to enable extras-devel? :/
Jun 09 10:36:11 <hiemanshu> finally the sdk installer is setting up targets
Jun 09 10:36:53 <chem|st> summel: but don't install anything but fcam!
Jun 09 10:37:04 <summel> :o ok
Jun 09 10:37:10 <summel> and then disable it :)
Jun 09 10:37:13 <psycho_oreos> I don't know, I've stopped using stock kernel for sometime now
Jun 09 10:37:26 <chem|st> summel: yes
Jun 09 10:37:27 <MetalGearSolid> are u using titan's kernel ?
Jun 09 10:37:38 <psycho_oreos> who?
Jun 09 10:37:39 <chem|st> MetalGearSolid: he doesn't
Jun 09 10:38:08 <psycho_oreos> no he said he uses the latest one from nokia.. that's just stock kernel
Jun 09 10:38:38 <summel> oh i actually have kernel power
Jun 09 10:38:44 <summel> for the wifi hotspot
Jun 09 10:38:49 <summel> but i dont need that anymore :o
Jun 09 10:39:06 <psycho_oreos> that is really confusing.. print the output of your `uname -r'
Jun 09 10:39:24 <summel> it said kernel power from the application manager
Jun 09 10:39:30 <MetalGearSolid> KP version ??
Jun 09 10:39:31 <summel> which you need for the wifi hotspot?
Jun 09 10:39:36 <chem|st> yes
Jun 09 10:39:38 <summel> seco
Jun 09 10:39:39 <summel> nd
Jun 09 10:39:48 <Ikarus> it's not hotspot, it's adhoc mode
Jun 09 10:40:00 <psycho_oreos> the last I recall you don't need KP for wifi hotspot, it just gives you a warning that its not stable, yadda yadda yadda
Jun 09 10:40:02 <summel> yees :P but it works the same :D
Jun 09 10:40:08 <Ikarus> summel: no it doesn't
Jun 09 10:40:13 <summel> psycho_oreos: really? :o
Jun 09 10:40:17 <Ikarus> you can't use WPA2 security in ad-hoc mode
Jun 09 10:40:20 <summel> Ikarus: for me it does
Jun 09 10:40:25 <summel> yes thats true :/
Jun 09 10:40:46 <summel> 2.6.28.10power42
Jun 09 10:40:57 <psycho_oreos> summel, that's awhile ago, I don't know the status of it now. I remembered wifi hotspot included the drivers for stock kernel but it was rather flaky and not working basically
Jun 09 10:41:16 <summel> im not using that anyways
Jun 09 10:41:20 <psycho_oreos> summel, so you're using titan's power kernel not stock kernel, there's a huge difference
Jun 09 10:41:24 <chem|st> summel: /topic
Jun 09 10:41:27 <summel> since the n900 is not my main phone anymore :o
Jun 09 10:41:59 <summel> chem|st: ? i dont have a problem with multiboot or android or stuff :o
Jun 09 10:42:14 <chem|st> kernel-power just the same!
Jun 09 10:42:21 <summel> its in the repository
Jun 09 10:42:31 <summel> and i can just uninstall it :o
Jun 09 10:42:48 <summel> camera did not work without that (and fcam installed) :o
Jun 09 10:43:30 <summel> im uninstalling it now
Jun 09 10:44:06 <MetalGearSolid> i am using KP 42 nd fcam v1.7-1
Jun 09 10:45:39 <summel> MetalGearSolid: extras-testing? :o
Jun 09 10:46:24 <MetalGearSolid> dunno found it on TMO
Jun 09 10:46:34 <MetalGearSolid> search the threads
Jun 09 10:48:48 <psycho_oreos> yeah the maintainer created custom fcam package that time
Jun 09 10:49:26 <summel> what is tmo? :o
Jun 09 10:49:51 <psycho_oreos> talk.maemo.org
Jun 09 10:49:56 <summel> ah
Jun 09 10:51:24 <psycho_oreos> I sort of personally can't see how much it would be of an issue if you used all the stuff from extras-devel if you said that N900 isn't your main phone anymore
Jun 09 10:52:01 <summel> i still want stuff to work and not crash :D
Jun 09 10:52:35 <summel> and the last time i mentioned extras-devel/-testing i got yelled at for not being a developer :o
Jun 09 10:53:06 <hiemanshu> so the end result of the SDK install is the same as a vanilla N900 right?
Jun 09 10:53:18 <psycho_oreos> I doubt it
Jun 09 10:53:36 <hiemanshu> I mean except with the extra -dev packages
Jun 09 10:54:03 <psycho_oreos> summel, it depends on what you install, and of course the general thing is when things break whilst using extras-devel you're meant to be more collaborative rather than demanding a fix or something to be more stable :)
Jun 09 10:56:36 <psycho_oreos> hiemanshu, if anything it resembles a figment of N900. There's no N900's kernel (which is obvious), the ARM emulation is slow if you for example use xephyr. You can't chroot inside a chroot, etc
Jun 09 10:59:35 <hiemanshu> psycho_oreos: I dont want an emulation, I just want to compile my apps for it, and then I can test it on my phone directly
Jun 09 11:00:44 <psycho_oreos> hiemanshu, well yes SDK should be sufficient for that
Jun 09 12:00:16 <hiemanshu> woohoo, my first maemo non-python app, works :D
Jun 09 13:20:30 <kerio> heh, nokia CTO
Jun 09 13:40:45 <Jaffa> kerio: Doesn't bode well, does it.
Jun 09 13:41:03 <Jaffa> kerio: Adds some weight to the out-there rumour about the Harmattan device not being released :-(
Jun 09 13:41:56 <Hurrian> how can they not release it?
Jun 09 13:42:24 <psycho_oreos> because they are nokia
Jun 09 13:42:48 <Hurrian> Nokia practically burned money at the 770, 800, 810/WIMAX and N900
Jun 09 13:43:11 <Hurrian> with the huge profit margins that they're making off crappy hardware phones such as the N8 and E7
Jun 09 13:43:28 <Hurrian> they'll probably give it one last push
Jun 09 13:43:32 <Hurrian> e.g. Step 5/5
Jun 09 13:43:36 <psycho_oreos> and that was before signing a deal with microsoft
Jun 09 13:44:14 <Hurrian> but they got it to the FCC
Jun 09 13:44:40 <Hurrian> at the very least, it's going out to devs Maemo Summit 2009 style
Jun 09 13:45:18 <psycho_oreos> only time will tell
Jun 09 13:45:23 <Hurrian> i guess so
Jun 09 13:46:15 <ShadowJK> I wouldn't say they "burned" money on it, when you compare with the massive symbian R+D spending :)
Jun 09 13:46:57 <Hurrian> shadowjk: LOL
Jun 09 13:47:00 <Hurrian> indeed
Jun 09 13:47:15 <Hurrian> S60 5th was the worst... ever
Jun 09 13:47:18 <FIQ|n900> My hildon-desktop is completly broken as of latest reboot. Could be related to latest CSSU update
Jun 09 13:47:53 <FIQ|n900> I have no taskswitcher, no menu, no Sym (so.. not working dialogs), etc
Jun 09 13:47:56 <Hurrian> FIQ, any hildon-statusmenu plugins such as AIS?
Jun 09 13:48:17 <Hurrian> the only time i've broken hildon is when i accidentally rm -rf'd /home
Jun 09 13:48:30 <Hurrian> >mount -obind /home /and && rm -rf /and
Jun 09 13:48:34 <Hurrian> BIG WHOOP
Jun 09 13:49:03 <FIQ|n900> Nah, don't have any plugins for hildon-* except upgraded hildon things for CSSU
Jun 09 13:49:49 <FIQ|n900> Just to start xchat, i did a ctrl+shift+x, xchat, so.. well, not that useful desktop atm
Jun 09 13:50:18 <Hurrian> that's odd
Jun 09 13:50:28 <Hurrian> i have the latest CSSU and i'm totally fine
Jun 09 13:50:40 <FIQ|n900> Can't switch back to xchat if i open a new xterm so.. well, i'm "stuck" atm :P
Jun 09 13:50:58 <Hurrian> other than AIS burning thru battery, which resulted in uninstalling it
Jun 09 13:50:58 <chem|st> FIQ|n900: no ctrl+backspace?
Jun 09 13:51:12 <FIQ|n900> No task switcher
Jun 09 13:51:17 <FIQ|n900> it just freezes then
Jun 09 13:51:30 <chem|st> ouch
Jun 09 13:51:42 <chem|st> at least you got a term...
Jun 09 13:51:47 <FIQ|n900> yea
Jun 09 13:51:54 <chem|st> what about trying to start them by hand
Jun 09 13:52:13 <Hurrian> damn nokia, you already made the phone as laptop-like as possible, why not go all the way and move the rootfs to the EMMC?
Jun 09 13:52:13 <chem|st> actualy if not started you get a reboot loop
Jun 09 13:52:42 <FIQ|n900> <chem|st> what about trying to start them by hand
Jun 09 13:52:52 <Hurrian> i bet the money they save on not buying onenand parts can easily be used to bump up the emmc's speed class
Jun 09 13:53:07 <FIQ|n900> I might try killing hildon*
Jun 09 13:53:15 <chem|st> FIQ|n900: dsmetool -k hildon-desktop
Jun 09 13:53:15 <FIQ|n900> then everything will restart
Jun 09 13:53:22 <ShadowJK> Hurrian, it's a different issue
Jun 09 13:53:24 <chem|st> FIQ|n900: no not killing
Jun 09 13:53:29 <FIQ|n900> ok
Jun 09 13:53:54 <FIQ|n900>  sh: dsmetool: not found
Jun 09 13:54:02 <Hurrian> shadowjk, it'd be a lot easier to fix broken event.d scripts if it was on the emmc
Jun 09 13:54:12 <chem|st> use dsmetool -k to stop it properly (well it kills the process but tells the watchdog to shutup!
Jun 09 13:54:18 <ShadowJK> Hurrian, actually in benchmarks lower class microsdhc cards have booted operting systems faster than class 10. emmc/sd/cf are optimized for digital cameras
Jun 09 13:54:21 <chem|st> FIQ|n900: as root
Jun 09 13:55:16 <FredrIQ|n900> Opened friend window by mistake and got screwed
Jun 09 13:55:19 <ShadowJK> Hurrian, when I messed around with scripts I had a backup script simple enough to always be correct, which moved back the old scripts ontop of new ones when booting slider open :P
Jun 09 13:55:31 <FredrIQ|n900> uh... gief pipe
Jun 09 13:55:55 <ShadowJK> There exists no good (e)mmc/sd/cf as far as I know :(
Jun 09 13:55:56 <FredrIQ|n900> yay for no sym - and no ipe
Jun 09 13:56:03 <FredrIQ|n900> eh
Jun 09 13:56:05 <FredrIQ|n900> pipe
Jun 09 13:56:06 <chem|st> dsmetool -k /usr/bin/hildon-home to be precise
Jun 09 13:56:34 <chem|st> or equivalent for others
Jun 09 13:56:38 <chem|st> to stop
Jun 09 13:56:52 <chem|st> to start s/-k/-t/
Jun 09 13:58:25 <ShadowJK> It's kinda revealing too that Sandisk isn't quoting any usable performance figures for their "embedded ssd" :)
Jun 09 13:59:16 <hiemanshu> is there like a guide to use for cross compiling?
Jun 09 13:59:39 <hiemanshu> I can get it working with FREMANTLE_X86, but not _ARMEL
Jun 09 14:00:20 <Hurrian> hiemanshu, if you set up sbox right, it should be automagic
Jun 09 14:00:45 <Hurrian> fakeroot {BUILD COMMAND}, fakeroot {PACKAGING COMMAND}
Jun 09 14:01:16 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: make: /usr/bin/qmake-qt4: Command not found
Jun 09 14:01:26 <hiemanshu> thats the error when I run build
Jun 09 14:01:31 <Fredrik1994n900> Everything was screwed up then, so I rebooted
Jun 09 14:01:37 <Fredrik1994n900> then things work again
Jun 09 14:01:45 <Fredrik1994n900> weird... but fine
Jun 09 14:01:47 <Hurrian> install qmake then
Jun 09 14:02:34 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: http://fpaste.org/Tx5G/
Jun 09 14:03:16 <Hurrian> http://www.google.com/search?q=libqt4-dev+maemo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
Jun 09 14:03:36 <Hurrian> these things make it really hard to port stuff to maemo
Jun 09 14:03:43 <Hurrian> missing deps everywhere
Jun 09 14:03:59 <Hurrian> you have to build the packages for the deps if they dont exist yet
Jun 09 14:04:03 <Hurrian> what a huge pita
Jun 09 14:04:21 <lcuk> how did all the other people manage to make apps then?
Jun 09 14:04:39 <Hurrian> make apps or port?
Jun 09 14:04:51 <Hurrian> sbox is supposed to be the reference environment
Jun 09 14:05:02 <Hurrian> if it works there, it should work on maemo
Jun 09 14:05:11 <hiemanshu> well it installs fine with target as X86
Jun 09 14:05:13 <lcuk> it depends
Jun 09 14:05:23 <lcuk> I can install many targets within sbox
Jun 09 14:05:41 <lcuk> the maemo sdk target within sbox should be and generally is the target
Jun 09 14:08:20 <Hurrian> also, not exactly maemo related, but cordia+meegocore seems promising
Jun 09 14:08:44 <chem|st> Hurrian: visually...
Jun 09 14:09:44 <ShadowJK> seems conceptually like a cool upgrade path, if it enables using old apps on meego
Jun 09 14:09:52 <chem|st> Hurrian: at least some libraries could be thrown onto autocompilers
Jun 09 14:12:46 <Hurrian> shadowjk, would be great if we can bring hildon to other phones
Jun 09 14:12:58 <Hurrian> mostly because i do not want to go to any other UI
Jun 09 14:13:14 <Hurrian> android kids can have their Launcher/LauncherPro/etc
Jun 09 14:13:44 <Hurrian> i think i'll enjoy Hildon on a 4" screen
Jun 09 14:15:52 <ShadowJK> it was nice on 4"
Jun 09 14:17:02 <Hurrian> ah, the NIT's?
Jun 09 14:17:37 <Hurrian> never had one, but I think the actual usable space on them would be ~3.5, subtracting the double menubars on top and on the left
Jun 09 14:18:29 <ShadowJK> You usually run stuff fullscreen
Jun 09 14:19:25 <ShadowJK> there's hardware button for entering/exiting fullscreen, as well as button for bringing up task switcher, and a back button for browser and such
Jun 09 14:19:40 <Hurrian> ah
Jun 09 14:19:53 <ShadowJK> oh and a button for bringing up what in Maemo5 is the titlebar menu :P
Jun 09 14:19:57 <Hurrian> that makes more sense than the N900 then
Jun 09 14:20:16 <Hurrian> but imo shortcutd is all i need
Jun 09 14:20:28 <ShadowJK> only the +/- buttons are left on n900 :(
Jun 09 14:23:09 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Jun 09 14:23:48 <Hurrian> checking the user list...
Jun 09 14:23:55 <Hurrian> k
Jun 09 14:24:15 <DocScrutinizer> missing menu hw button or shortcut = MAJOR fail
Jun 09 14:24:50 <Hurrian> DocScrutinizer: at least we have the menubar up top
Jun 09 14:25:53 <DocScrutinizer> I think a UI that *needs* mouse/touchscreen to work is a faulty design
Jun 09 14:26:45 <Hurrian> easy debian, then
Jun 09 14:27:07 <Hurrian> personally, the only time i need to slide open the N900 is when I need to type
Jun 09 14:27:07 <DocScrutinizer> launcher and menu are not operable via kbd-shortcuts
Jun 09 14:27:08 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, if that same system is used in shop windows then its a fail to require it
Jun 09 14:27:20 <DocScrutinizer> *regression* compared to diablo
Jun 09 14:27:22 <lcuk> keyboard shortcuts are like sprinkles on an ice cream cone
Jun 09 14:27:38 <lcuk> nice to have but for use where designed it isn't such an issue
Jun 09 14:27:51 <Hurrian> come to think of it, the only keyboard shortcut i've ever used was the screenshot one
Jun 09 14:28:07 <ShadowJK> I use ctrl-backspace all the time
Jun 09 14:28:25 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: don't get apologetic again please - it's a FAILURE of UI designers
Jun 09 14:28:27 <lcuk> do the Windows Phones include a dedicated Ctrl-Alt-Del shortcut?
Jun 09 14:28:49 <ShadowJK> If apps could be sanely maximized without losing dunctionality I'd probably do that too, because screen space is wasted by the menubars :/
Jun 09 14:28:49 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, I am not apologetic
Jun 09 14:29:02 <lcuk> I don't even have mouse  scroll wheel support in my apps
Jun 09 14:29:09 <lcuk> I was just pondering this morning how to do it
Jun 09 14:29:20 <Hurrian> shadowjk : maximize apps, use camera half-press to go back to desktop
Jun 09 14:29:22 <lcuk> see:
Jun 09 14:29:23 <lcuk> <lcuk> when I plug in the mouse onto ideapad scrolling does not scroll
Jun 09 14:29:23 <lcuk> <KotCneo> it just sends mouse event 'wheel up'
Jun 09 14:29:23 <lcuk> <KotCneo> repeatedly
Jun 09 14:29:23 <lcuk> <KotCneo> think of it as a mouse click
Jun 09 14:29:24 <lcuk> <lcuk> ok will peek at the events
Jun 09 14:29:30 <bindi> how hard would it be to implement a simple yes/no popup after closing the camera program? 
Jun 09 14:29:35 <andre__> so I can't use Maemo6 with a joystick? How could they dare? FAIL FAIL FAIL!
Jun 09 14:29:37 <ShadowJK> Hurrian, that's not the issue
Jun 09 14:29:37 <lcuk> so :P DocScrutinizer I do appreciate comforts like you do
Jun 09 14:29:46 <lcuk> but I can also understand why they were forgotten
Jun 09 14:29:48 <bindi> I'd like it to ask if I want to upload (scp) the pictures after I've taken some
Jun 09 14:30:40 <ShadowJK> Hurrian, ctrl-backspace is basically in muscle-memory now. I meant you can't access the titlebar menus if fullscreened :P
Jun 09 14:32:07 <Hurrian> for all it's unpolished-ness, i like the hildon-desktop in maemo 5
Jun 09 14:32:24 <Hurrian> my only beef with it is the internet connections settings menu
Jun 09 14:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: you really got strange problems
Jun 09 14:32:32 <Hurrian> that shit's ugly
Jun 09 14:32:54 <andre__> DocScrutinizer, you're welcome, especially when I see you crying out FAIL at every opoortunity you get :)
Jun 09 14:32:54 <ShadowJK> removing the buttons feels a bit like some ignoramus thought "what's the point of touchscreen if we don't force people to use it? :)
Jun 09 14:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: ShadowJK and mine are more down to earth though: not touching touchscreen when using kbd
Jun 09 14:33:41 <ShadowJK> huh
Jun 09 14:33:56 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: ctrl-bs
Jun 09 14:36:46 <ShadowJK> andre__, probably for the better, didn't someone decide it'd be a good idea for accelerometers to pretend they're joysticks? :P
Jun 09 14:39:11 <Hurrian> shadowjk, that wouldnt work pretty well upside down wouldn't it?
Jun 09 14:40:47 <ShadowJK> I hate this rotation crap. If I'm lying on my side in bed trying to read a webpage and the damn thing rotates it upwards relatve to gravity it's now sideways relative to myself :(
Jun 09 14:41:02 <Hurrian> >using the N900 in portrait
Jun 09 14:41:14 <Hurrian> gotta be one of the worst things to do, ever
Jun 09 14:41:26 <Hurrian> i actually got CSSU just to lock it in landscape
Jun 09 14:42:01 <ShadowJK> lol
Jun 09 14:42:03 <inz> shadow, you need to install a wireless 3D accelerometer to your head ;)
Jun 09 14:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: indeed
Jun 09 14:42:33 <ShadowJK> i think it's only firefox that rotates for me now
Jun 09 14:42:42 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: well it finally worked, had to add the nokia repos
Jun 09 14:43:07 <ShadowJK> and when i try figure out the magic keypress to do CLIENT_REFRESH in browser I accidentally activate rotation..
Jun 09 14:43:35 <ShadowJK> (hint: there's no such keypress in mobile microb and firefox :( )
Jun 09 14:44:58 <hiemanshu> how do you pronounce that? as micro-bee or mic-rob
Jun 09 14:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> some expert (matan?) gave me a insider hint about most programs on hildon have menu function linked to F<?>, so mapping this dunno F7 to some kbd combo might turn out to be handy
Jun 09 14:46:41 <Hurrian> hiemanshu, micro-bee
Jun 09 14:46:51 <Hurrian> probably means microbrowser though
Jun 09 14:47:05 <ShadowJK> Yeah, iirc F6 was fullscreen in Maemo4
Jun 09 14:47:07 <DocScrutinizer> I prefer microb like amoeba
Jun 09 14:47:27 <Hurrian> uhh, micro
Jun 09 14:47:32 <Hurrian> *microbe
Jun 09 14:47:43 <ShadowJK> midori on pc, remote X to N810, and midori configured to understand the F6,etc keys sent by hw buttons on N810 :)
Jun 09 14:48:43 <DocScrutinizer> so what's been the menubutton's mapping?
Jun 09 14:49:05 <ShadowJK> nfi :)
Jun 09 14:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Jun 09 14:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> maybe worth finding out
Jun 09 14:49:39 <DocScrutinizer> Ill check my mails if I can find matan's tip
Jun 09 14:50:19 <Hurrian> oh wow
Jun 09 14:50:23 <Hurrian> i just rebooted my N900
Jun 09 14:50:37 <Hurrian> battery went from 40% to 14.1%
Jun 09 14:52:38 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: Nokia does that a lot, one of my older phones (I think my N73?) used to go from all bars to 2 bars after a rebooot
Jun 09 14:55:58 <Hurrian> the pre-symbian phones never did this to me
Jun 09 14:57:10 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: never mind, bme is teling lies
Jun 09 15:02:19 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: imagine you paired a BT kbd to N900 and plugged AV to a TV to edit some text - might get annoying to reach out for N900's touchscreen every time you need a menu function of editor, or want to switch to another task, whatever
Jun 09 15:02:40 <GeneralAntilles> Shouldn't a UEFI, by definition, be able to boot GPT. . . .
Jun 09 15:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> it doesn't?
Jun 09 15:03:09 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, in that case, use a mouse too
Jun 09 15:03:11 <Hurrian> doesnt UEFI require gpt?
Jun 09 15:03:17 <andre__> yeah, that sounds like a quite common usecase to me...
Jun 09 15:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: sarcasm not appreciated, when not based on good facts
Jun 09 15:04:05 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: eh? no :P
Jun 09 15:04:17 <andre__> I don't care about appreciation anyway...
Jun 09 15:05:03 * ShadowJK actually used N810 + bluetooth keyboard on trips
Jun 09 15:05:33 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: well - then your ranting is just of a different flavour than mine
Jun 09 15:05:52 <andre__> hehe. might be :)
Jun 09 15:06:21 <Hurrian> hiemanshu, what uefi shell are you using?
Jun 09 15:08:58 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: the asus one
Jun 09 15:08:59 <hiemanshu> http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8H67I/
Jun 09 15:09:38 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: how comes *none* of the major OS/GUI is following that arrogant paradigm? When this is "not a phone, it's a computer" then I'd expect kbd-shortcuts like on any other random computer
Jun 09 15:10:00 <Hurrian> ah
Jun 09 15:10:14 <Hurrian> hiemanshu, you still need to install a EFI bootloader
Jun 09 15:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> even windoze has them
Jun 09 15:11:10 <Hurrian> GRUB2-EFI, EDK2-based hackintosh shells, and windows' very broken EFI bootloader on win7
Jun 09 15:11:42 <hiemanshu> Hurrian: I got GPT to boot just fine, that isn't an issue
Jun 09 15:11:46 <hiemanshu> but MBR boots up
Jun 09 15:12:32 <ShadowJK> windows now hides them :)
Jun 09 15:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> oh, no more underlines? :-P too bad
Jun 09 15:13:19 <Hurrian> http://goput.it/fhz.jpg
Jun 09 15:13:27 <Hurrian> see image
Jun 09 15:15:07 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I bet that's just another registry key you have to toggle
Jun 09 15:19:33 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: funny detail: desktop qt even autogenerates accelerator keys for menu entries, if devel missed to pick one
Jun 09 15:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> at least it's been like that last time I messed around with Qt on desktop
Jun 09 15:36:43 <DocScrutinizer> and the Qt source had some rather funny comments in the sections dealing with auto accelerators
Jun 09 15:37:16 * DocScrutinizer wonders where his patches for this Qt parts went
Jun 09 16:51:06 <RST38h> http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1642987
Jun 09 16:53:36 <Itschue> moin moin
Jun 09 16:59:27 * lardman curses Unity
Jun 09 17:10:50 <dangergrrl> how many days until the n9/950 manual is released?
Jun 09 17:11:04 <dangergrrl> 15?
Jun 09 17:19:49 <SpeedEvil> 42
Jun 09 17:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> *cough*
Jun 09 17:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> well, iirc it's like now+19d or sth
Jun 09 17:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> ask GeneralAntilles 
Jun 09 17:21:24 <lardman> I think it's on the 23rd or perhaps 24tgh iirc
Jun 09 17:21:34 <DocScrutinizer> wasn't that 27th
Jun 09 17:21:35 <GeneralAntilles> 21st, right?
Jun 09 17:21:47 <DocScrutinizer> whatever
Jun 09 17:21:49 <lardman> well somewhere there anyway ;)
Jun 09 17:21:51 <merlin1991> what did I miss, where did everyone get dates from?
Jun 09 17:22:07 <DocScrutinizer> it's not like I'm excited like a child on xmess eve
Jun 09 17:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: FCC
Jun 09 17:23:11 <lardman> DocScrutinizer: really? ;)
Jun 09 17:23:58 <DocScrutinizer> lardman: more like bored and stressed like it's ok for old farts facing x-mess hassle
Jun 09 17:24:34 <lardman> I am still excited, but also getting bored
Jun 09 17:24:48 <lardman> and this bloody Tab keyboard is driving me mad, I hate on screen keyboards!
Jun 09 17:28:35 * GeneralAntilles is finally excited.
Jun 09 17:28:56 <lardman> ah finally - who creates an on screen keyboard without the ability to have any cursor keys?!
Jun 09 17:29:21 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I'm getting more worried the longer it takes, and wondering what the delay is
Jun 09 17:29:38 <SpeedEvil> Cursor keys are outdated! You simply select where you want to put the cursor with the mouse.
Jun 09 17:29:39 <lardman> "delay" that is
Jun 09 17:30:03 <lardman> SpeedEvil: hmm, not with my big finger + capacitive screen + terminal emulator so I need to scroll up a line
Jun 09 17:30:07 <lardman> stupid Android
Jun 09 17:30:18 * lardman backs up kernel to flash Meego on
Jun 09 17:30:39 <lardman> though first I have to go to the shop and get a red onion so I'm told :)
Jun 09 17:31:40 <SpeedEvil> In soviet russia, all onions are red onions!
Jun 09 17:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> lardman: maemo vkbd is similarly evil on missing cursor
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Jun 09 17:43:53 <lardman> DocScrutinizer: yeah but that hw has a physical cursor while the Tab doesn't
Jun 09 17:44:07 <lardman> we now have some russian onions and wine
Jun 09 18:03:31 <DocScrutinizer> oh, meego install runs under wine?
Jun 09 18:04:22 <DocScrutinizer> not really surprising, but still... X-P
Jun 09 18:10:45 <Sazpaimon_> I like how two prominent IRCD developers (w00t and stskeeps) left their work to move on to NIT development, only to realize it was a mistake in the end
Jun 09 18:11:01 <Sazpaimon_> hey maybe stskeeps will return to unreal and it'll stop being bad
Jun 09 18:11:03 <Sazpaimon_> (haw)
Jun 09 18:11:30 <Gh0sty> and pigs will fly!
Jun 09 18:12:03 <Sazpaimon_> i wanted w00t to go back to inspircd development after he abandoned his NIT fling
Jun 09 18:12:11 <Sazpaimon_> development on inspircd really stagnated when he left
Jun 09 18:12:56 <Sazpaimon_> funny, one of the last things he said on the inspircd site was " I'm first in line to purchase a Nokia N900 next week and I think you should be to."
Jun 09 18:13:00 <Sazpaimon_> so much for that
Jun 09 18:13:40 <ShadowJK> What do you mean "so much for that"?
Jun 09 18:14:20 <Sazpaimon_> because he pretty much abandoned any work on maemo
Jun 09 18:14:30 <Sazpaimon_> and the N900 in general
Jun 09 18:14:57 <ShadowJK> I thought he was still fulltime on N900 :P
Jun 09 18:15:19 <Sazpaimon_> its probab ly still his primary device
Jun 09 18:15:27 <Sazpaimon_> but i never see him around anymore
Jun 09 18:15:43 <Sazpaimon_> i figure he pretty much abandoned the maemo communit
Jun 09 18:15:48 <Sazpaimon_> *community
Jun 09 18:16:03 <ShadowJK> He left this channel because of some loud whiners ruining it
Jun 09 18:16:32 <Sazpaimon_> doesn't that go for pretty much everyone who left
Jun 09 18:16:56 <ShadowJK> No, some left because they were whiners and nobody gave them attention
Jun 09 18:17:10 <Sazpaimon_> point there
Jun 09 18:17:27 <Sazpaimon_> I'd still like him to work on inspircd again
Jun 09 18:17:46 <Sazpaimon_> the current developers have kinda just left it as is and fixed a some bugs here and there
Jun 09 18:18:09 <mece> Sazpaimon_, Stskeeps works fulltime on MeeGo N900 adaptation. He just got tired of whiners on tmo
Jun 09 18:18:23 <Sazpaimon_> oh that's good
Jun 09 18:18:39 <Sazpaimon_> so he's just leaving the cesspool forum
Jun 09 18:18:59 <ShadowJK> the moderation by comittee model has failed so hard :)
Jun 09 18:19:05 <Sazpaimon_> i really wish the staff there would just stop being so passive
Jun 09 18:19:10 <Sazpaimon_> it doesn't work
Jun 09 18:22:55 <lardman> DocScrutinizer: it doesn't run under wine, but wine helps with the porting effort ;)
Jun 09 18:26:53 <mece> It is very difficult to moderate such as abill_uk. He is super annoying and everything he says is wrong, but he (mostly) doesn't directly break the rules.
Jun 09 18:27:32 <mece> If everyone would just ignore him then he wouldn't hijack every thread with his shit
Jun 09 18:28:28 <mece> so what the hell is the big thing planned for maemo community that Zehjotkah is tweeting about?
Jun 09 18:28:43 <lardman> Sazpaimon_: it's quite hard to join the staff ;)
Jun 09 18:28:59 <mece> lardman, what staff?
Jun 09 18:29:01 <lardman> I used to be a mod, but my privs were removed and I never did get an answer about how to get them back
Jun 09 18:29:18 <mece> lardman, why were they removed?
Jun 09 18:29:18 <lardman> "staff" on TMO I think
Jun 09 18:29:23 <lardman> I've no clue
Jun 09 18:29:23 <mece> ah
Jun 09 18:29:29 <GeneralAntilles> Because he's lardman.
Jun 09 18:29:31 <GeneralAntilles> I mean.
Jun 09 18:29:32 <GeneralAntilles> Really.
Jun 09 18:29:33 <mece> as council
Jun 09 18:29:34 <mece> hehe
Jun 09 18:29:35 <mece> LOL
Jun 09 18:29:37 <lardman> I was busy for a month or two and didn't post much and I am lardman
Jun 09 18:29:47 <mece> GeneralAntilles, I'm glad you clarified that.
Jun 09 18:30:10 <lardman> perhaps it happened around the same time X-Fade removed my avatar from the front page, grrr!
Jun 09 18:30:34 <mece> whaat? I've missed this bit of drama...
Jun 09 18:31:10 <lardman> mece: I was stuck on the front page for a year or so
Jun 09 18:31:12 <GAN900> His avatar was on the front page under the "random" community members heading
Jun 09 18:31:13 <lardman> :)
Jun 09 18:31:41 <GAN900> When X-Fade finally fixed it, lardman lost all of his powers.
Jun 09 18:31:57 <lardman> like my credit rating being downgraded to a mere BBB- ;)
Jun 09 18:32:12 <lardman> or should that be a bondage rating
Jun 09 18:32:17 <lardman> or bond even
Jun 09 18:32:21 <lardman> ;)
Jun 09 18:32:23 <Sazpaimon_> lardman, so staff dont ever ban anyone because theyre afraid of getting their prvis revoked
Jun 09 18:32:36 <lardman> Sazpaimon_: I never banned anyone
Jun 09 18:32:52 <lardman> tbh they probably get bored like I did of the amount of noise on the forum
Jun 09 18:33:03 <mece> LOL
Jun 09 18:33:21 <Sazpaimon_> then they, as staff, should oh
Jun 09 18:33:24 <lardman> but equally when I do pop in, it's annoying to not be able to fix things like thread headings
Jun 09 18:33:24 <mece> abill_uk has been banned
Jun 09 18:33:24 <Sazpaimon_> i dont know
Jun 09 18:33:28 <Sazpaimon_> do something about i
Jun 09 18:33:28 <Sazpaimon_> what
Jun 09 18:33:30 <Sazpaimon_> really
Jun 09 18:33:35 <Sazpaimon_> oh happy day
Jun 09 18:33:40 <Sazpaimon_> oh joyous happy happy day
Jun 09 18:33:44 <lardman> Sazpaimon_: only if paid, otherwise it's a free service
Jun 09 18:33:44 <mece> not now. It was a while ago
Jun 09 18:33:53 <mece> it was just for a week or so.
Jun 09 18:33:59 <lardman> bbiab, supper time
Jun 09 18:34:14 <mece> he did calm down
Jun 09 18:34:17 <Sazpaimon_> mece, you really know how to make me sad
Jun 09 18:34:22 <mece> the douchebaggery has escalated again lately though.
Jun 09 18:34:34 <mece> Sazpaimon_, sorry
Jun 09 18:35:15 <Sazpaimon_> personally i think something needs to be done about the idiotic 4chan type posts on the board more than anything
Jun 09 18:35:20 <Sazpaimon_> and the tags
Jun 09 18:35:25 <Sazpaimon_> theyre obviously useless
Jun 09 18:35:26 <mece> meh
Jun 09 18:35:35 <Sazpaimon_> nobody uses tag searching anyway, because the tag search page is broken
Jun 09 18:35:40 <Sazpaimon_> and nobody seems to have noticed that
Jun 09 18:36:10 <Sazpaimon_> the tag search page will only show the top thread, and all other threads will appear below the recent posts bar
Jun 09 18:36:30 <mece> curious
Jun 09 18:37:33 <Sazpaimon_> since nobody has ever seemed to report this, it leads me to believe that tags have no real functionality anyway
Jun 09 18:37:45 <Sazpaimon_> though, I do like searching for threads tagged "just shoot me"
Jun 09 18:41:02 <mece> There should be a a special kind of ban for people who provoke the most thanked member of the forum to leave. Permaban and all posts removed perhaps?
Jun 09 18:48:21 <DocScrutinizer> Itt-thanks are are rather volatile and random currency
Jun 09 18:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> just number_of_Itt_posts is more useless in my book
Jun 09 18:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> abill_uk quoted a post of me to make his point - WAAAAH!!
Jun 09 18:50:49 * DocScrutinizer feels abused and raped
Jun 09 18:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> of course is a partially wrong point, to make things worse
Jun 09 18:52:12 <DocScrutinizer> which in a weird sense makes my post wrong as well
Jun 09 18:55:50 <mece> DocScrutinizer, if you only watch thanks or only watch post count then they make no sense, but together they make some sense imo.
Jun 09 18:56:17 <mece> DocScrutinizer, where did abill quote you?
Jun 09 18:56:32 <lardman> yeah rather than thanks you need an agree/disagree/thanks trio
Jun 09 18:56:43 <lardman> also one should be able to see who set any given tag
Jun 09 18:56:55 <mece> lardman, you do!
Jun 09 18:56:57 <lardman> but equally they don't have any use
Jun 09 18:57:10 <lardman> mece: I do?!
Jun 09 18:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1025496#post1025496
Jun 09 18:57:42 <mece> lardman, well it says "The Following User Says Thank You to lardman For This Useful Post:"
Jun 09 18:58:08 <lardman> no I meant the silly tags that are added to threads
Jun 09 18:58:13 <mece> oh
Jun 09 18:58:14 <mece> yeah.
Jun 09 18:58:43 <lardman> might shame people into not posting silly tags
Jun 09 18:59:14 <mece> I tend look at posts/thanks ratio to decide if I need to pay extra attention to someone.
Jun 09 18:59:27 <mece> erm thanks/posts ratio I mean :)
Jun 09 19:01:00 <mece> usually if it's around 1 the sum is somewhat significant (like 1000 or so) you can conclude that it's a somewhat productive member :)
Jun 09 19:19:35 <maour> i added this repository http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel but still don't have libqt4-maemo5-sql-mysql http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-maemo5-sql-mysql/ !!! anyidea ?
Jun 09 19:20:54 <hiemanshu> maour: what do you want? libqt4-sql should do it 
Jun 09 19:22:08 <maour> hiemanshu: i want to read from mysql on another server
Jun 09 19:22:32 <hiemanshu> maour: install libqt4-sql and libqt4-sql-mysql
Jun 09 19:22:35 <hiemanshu> http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-sql-mysql/
Jun 09 19:22:58 <maour> hiemanshu: i don't have any package with these name !
Jun 09 19:23:11 <hiemanshu> maour: after adding the repo did you run apt-get update?
Jun 09 19:23:35 <maour> i used application manager !
Jun 09 19:23:49 <maour> and it get updated !
Jun 09 19:23:57 <DocScrutinizer> mece: mine dropped to an abysmal ratio from an almost 7/1 thanks/posts some 8 months ago
Jun 09 19:24:09 <maour> i'm sure i have extra-devel
Jun 09 19:24:19 <maour> there is too many update after that
Jun 09 19:25:19 <hiemanshu> maour: if its enabled it should be there
Jun 09 19:25:27 <hiemanshu> or use the command-line to install it
Jun 09 19:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> mece: to many answers to fools, I guess
Jun 09 19:25:56 <A03o> some one give me a link to all the bugs found in the final n900 firmware release by nokia
Jun 09 19:26:23 <maour> hiemanshu: maybe i added something wrong! distribution : fremantle and components : free non-free
Jun 09 19:26:41 <maour> is that right ?
Jun 09 19:26:47 <DocScrutinizer> mece: don't ask about the flames I received when I vaguely announced I *might* consider removing posts that got no thanks, for the mere reason to reduce noise on the forum ;-P
Jun 09 19:26:47 <hiemanshu> yeah
Jun 09 19:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> mece: my *own* posts, nota bene 
Jun 09 19:27:45 <A03o> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11908
Jun 09 19:27:46 <A03o> ?
Jun 09 19:27:47 <povbot> 04Bug 11908: Java application support
Jun 09 19:27:49 <A03o> and whats this about 
Jun 09 19:27:57 <A03o> hows this a bug?
Jun 09 19:28:39 <DocScrutinizer> actually they are called tickets .may as well be an improvement request
Jun 09 19:28:47 <maour> hiemanshu: worked from command linr
Jun 09 19:28:51 <maour> line*
Jun 09 19:29:21 <hiemanshu> well yeah it has to :P
Jun 09 19:30:03 <DocScrutinizer> A03o: >>Importance:   Unspecified enhancement
Jun 09 19:31:08 <A03o> aha
Jun 09 19:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> definitely not labeled "bug"
Jun 09 19:31:45 <A03o> DocScrutinizer : this even possible ?
Jun 09 19:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Jun 09 19:31:59 <maour> hiemanshu: but still same error on my program!  QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL  driver not loaded  QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded" 
Jun 09 19:32:09 <A03o> Bug 11908 - Java application support 
Jun 09 19:32:11 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11908 Java application support
Jun 09 19:32:57 <DocScrutinizer> I seem to recall somebody mentioning some java runtime environment for maemo
Jun 09 19:33:02 <maour> now i have mysql-common   libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql  libmysqlclient15off
Jun 09 19:33:32 <maour> hiemanshu: but still same error on my program!  QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL  driver not loaded  QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE "Driver not loaded Driver not loaded" 
Jun 09 19:33:34 <maour> now i have mysql-common   libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql  libmysqlclient15off
Jun 09 19:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> A03o: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=java&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
Jun 09 19:35:27 <A03o> :O
Jun 09 19:48:09 <summel> anyone has a mac? the flasher-3.5 setup does not work here :(
Jun 09 19:49:35 <bindi> is there a way of executing a script when the camera app is closed?
Jun 09 19:52:30 <merlin1991> btw about java http://maemo.org/packages/view/icedtea6/
Jun 09 20:00:17 <phap> hello
Jun 09 20:00:39 <mece> my wife just beat me in a scalextrix race. The shame!
Jun 09 20:01:18 <Venemo> ~seen MohammadAG
Jun 09 20:01:27 <infobot> mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 56m 15s ago, saying: 'brb, shower then exam'.
Jun 09 20:01:28 <phap> Maybe someone can help me: my net connection is fine, but whenever I use FAM it keeps saying 'unable to open a network connection' and still does the job. It's annoying... Any clue?
Jun 09 20:01:40 <Venemo> phap, what is FAM?
Jun 09 20:01:55 <phap> Faster application manager
Jun 09 20:02:05 <Venemo> that is bloatware
Jun 09 20:02:05 <phap> It worked fine until today
Jun 09 20:02:09 <Venemo> just use apt
Jun 09 20:02:41 <phap> well sure I can use apt but I like also this way
Jun 09 20:05:42 <merlin1991> phap: afaik it's fapman :)
Jun 09 20:24:43 <javispedro> moo
Jun 09 20:24:45 <phap> well fapman then :-)  
Jun 09 20:24:57 <javispedro> so, anything new and interesting?
Jun 09 20:26:46 <javispedro> apart from the end being near with so many people leaving news today...
Jun 09 20:27:58 <RST38h> I only know of CTO
Jun 09 20:27:59 <RST38h> Who else?
Jun 09 20:28:27 <RST38h> lardman: it is not clear how relevant meego is any more
Jun 09 20:28:39 * RST38h in wait-and-see mode
Jun 09 20:28:49 <MohammadAG> so, I bought a Galaxy S2...
Jun 09 20:28:58 <MohammadAG> Not sure if I should keep the N900
Jun 09 20:29:26 <javispedro> RST38h: stskeeps.
Jun 09 20:29:30 <javispedro> in a sense =)
Jun 09 20:29:43 <javispedro> and MohammadAG 
Jun 09 20:29:47 <javispedro> is also leaving.
Jun 09 20:30:16 <MohammadAG> I gave up on waiting for the RM-680
Jun 09 20:30:46 <RST38h> javispedro: Where are they leaving to?
Jun 09 20:31:00 <MohammadAG> Android
Jun 09 20:31:04 <MohammadAG> XDA Devs seems nice
Jun 09 20:31:10 <RST38h> Mohammad: Android development is a major PITA
Jun 09 20:31:12 <javispedro> XDA Devs, nice????'
Jun 09 20:31:30 <MohammadAG> RST38h, MeeGo's development isn't sane
Jun 09 20:31:34 <javispedro> it's like tmo with 200x the trolls and 0.5x the developers
Jun 09 20:31:47 <RST38h> javispedro: btw, where is Stskeeps leaving?
Jun 09 20:32:18 <MohammadAG> Anyway, it's been fun
Jun 09 20:32:35 <javispedro> RST38h: he's leaving tmo only
Jun 09 20:32:38 <javispedro> RST38h: so, to meego.
Jun 09 20:32:47 <lardman> XDA is even more confusing than meego.com re instructions ;)
Jun 09 20:32:49 <RST38h> ah, tmo...no big deal
Jun 09 20:33:00 <lardman> RST38h: yeah, well I can always keep my fingers crossed about the relevancy
Jun 09 20:33:02 * RST38h wondered why Stskeeps answered to the abill character today
Jun 09 20:39:23 * javispedro starts hitting "follow" buttons on twitter
Jun 09 20:40:37 <lcuk> javispedro, you are already following me on http://twitter.com/lcuk :P
Jun 09 20:40:46 <javispedro> yes
Jun 09 20:41:06 <javispedro> you just ate some buttered toast.
Jun 09 20:41:13 <lcuk> :D
Jun 09 20:41:20 <MohammadAG> I still get a follow even if I leave right? :P http://twitter.com/MohammadAG 
Jun 09 20:41:23 <javispedro> =)
Jun 09 20:41:53 <javispedro> okkk
Jun 09 20:43:21 * javispedro decides not to follow "selop", though.
Jun 09 20:43:38 <lcuk> damn, I tohught you were selop
Jun 09 20:44:54 <javispedro> lcuk: was it selling the company to steve ballmer the act that blew my cover?
Jun 09 20:45:21 <lcuk> no that was your ghostwriter
Jun 09 20:45:28 <lcuk> all the best twitter folks have em :P
Jun 09 20:45:41 * lcuk has a team offering tweets and DMs
Jun 09 20:46:44 <vldcnst> tweets about sliced bread
Jun 09 20:46:46 <vldcnst> yum
Jun 09 20:47:04 <lcuk> vldcnst, see!
Jun 09 20:47:33 * lcuk runs back to #liqbase for some code mangling
Jun 09 20:47:35 <vldcnst> what kind of butter?
Jun 09 20:48:03 <lcuk> vldcnst, store brand ICBINB
Jun 09 20:48:11 * lcuk forgets which store
Jun 09 20:48:29 <javispedro> see, twitter is useful.
Jun 09 20:48:59 <javispedro> let's if I can get a personalized home page with lotsa news of maemo, a bit of meego, a bit of webos, and few about the rest.
Jun 09 20:49:14 <RST38h> <sleep>
Jun 09 20:49:19 <vldcnst> lcuk: have you tried la motte?
Jun 09 20:49:21 <javispedro> gnite RST38h 
Jun 09 20:49:30 <MohammadAG> Error, <sleep> requires parameter time
Jun 09 20:49:46 <lcuk> nn moh \o
Jun 09 20:49:54 <vldcnst> http://www.president-food.com/franc/produits/beurre/img_motte_autre/motte_seldemer.jpg
Jun 09 20:49:55 <lcuk> by the way, I have a sketch smile gallery
Jun 09 20:49:57 <vldcnst> truly unique
Jun 09 20:49:57 <MohammadAG> not going to sleep :p
Jun 09 20:50:02 <vldcnst> sea salted
Jun 09 20:50:08 <MohammadAG> though I'd love to, tired as hell
Jun 09 20:50:24 <MohammadAG> oh and the me leaving for Android was actually me bored, ignore what I said :p
Jun 09 20:50:31 <javispedro> funny how the @wearemeego account basically died in the happy days of the past.
Jun 09 20:50:32 <lcuk> vldcnst, sounds expensive
Jun 09 20:50:41 <vldcnst> right
Jun 09 20:50:42 <Sicelo> you were writing exam by the way MohammadAG ?
Jun 09 20:50:55 <lcuk> I shall add it onto the sketch wall
Jun 09 20:51:02 <lcuk> and when I can afford it I will buy a pack
Jun 09 20:52:05 <lcuk> vldcnst, :) I added you to the graffiti wall
Jun 09 20:52:09 <MohammadAG> Sicelo, that was over 12 hours ago
Jun 09 20:52:25 <vldcnst> lcuk: that's the only butter I use. 
Jun 09 20:53:01 <lcuk> :)
Jun 09 20:56:01 <GeneralAntilles> javispedro, twitter time, eh? ;)
Jun 09 20:56:32 <javispedro> yep, today, twitter, tomorrow, real life.
Jun 09 20:56:54 <javispedro> ;P
Jun 09 21:00:29 <javispedro> lcuk: you had problems with the twitter followers counter, didn't you?
Jun 09 21:00:53 <javispedro> because every time I refresh my page, the count of people I follow is different
Jun 09 21:00:59 <javispedro> 16, 26, 22, 8
Jun 09 21:01:11 <jacekowski> delete the account
Jun 09 21:01:18 <jacekowski> you will be sure that nobody follows you
Jun 09 21:01:48 <javispedro> lcuk: so I bet they just do not care about keeping it consistent.
Jun 09 21:02:37 <lcuk> javispedro, sounds like load balancing servers
Jun 09 21:02:46 <lcuk> mine wibbles daily
Jun 09 21:03:02 <jacekowski> mine doesnt
Jun 09 21:03:06 <jacekowski> it's consistently at 0
Jun 09 21:04:58 <javispedro> congratulations
Jun 09 21:05:00 <javispedro> !
Jun 09 21:14:15 <mece> hey
Jun 09 21:14:53 <mece> Hello, I need some help with this c++ crap. How can I throw my qdeclarativeview as a contextproperty in itself?
Jun 09 21:15:59 <pauly_> hi i broke my n900s screen any way to get my data out of it???
Jun 09 21:17:51 <strohi> boot it and ssh? x)
Jun 09 21:19:31 <lcuk> pauly_, plug in the supplied video out cable and watch on your tv
Jun 09 21:19:35 <jacekowski> pauly_: video cable
Jun 09 21:19:38 <lcuk> hopefully your touch sensor will still work
Jun 09 21:22:10 <pauly_> omg yeah i forgot
Jun 09 21:22:16 <pauly_> thank you
Jun 09 21:22:29 <pauly_> so much
Jun 09 21:23:13 <pauly_> i found a guy that can fix both the panel and screen and the usb for $150
Jun 09 21:34:49 <jacekowski> expensive
Jun 09 21:35:39 <jacekowski> it's $70 for parts
Jun 09 22:01:43 <Shoruken> indeed
Jun 09 22:03:54 * javispedro needs is thirsty... needs new gadgets!!
Jun 09 22:04:51 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/140560606120
Jun 09 22:05:19 <jacekowski> £4 for shipping
Jun 09 22:14:16 <mece> Venemo, hey!
Jun 09 22:14:27 <Venemo> hey mece, what's up?
Jun 09 22:14:49 <mece> Venemo, could you help me with a notification thing?
Jun 09 22:15:01 <Venemo> mece, sure, what's the question?
Jun 09 22:15:29 <mece> I'm using your QMaemo5Notification that you posted somewhere, but I can't get that fracker to open in the same window, and not open a new one on every notification
Jun 09 22:15:41 <mece> same as the app that is
Jun 09 22:19:41 <Venemo> mece, "open in the same window"=?
Jun 09 22:20:35 <Venemo> mece, first, use the q-extas library which contains this class (updated since that time) with some more options
Jun 09 22:21:16 <mece> Venemo, well yes. my app is always visible (unlike the thing you used it for), so when I get a notifications a new window or app or whatever you call it, pops up. I'd like it to open on top of the actual app.
Jun 09 22:21:29 <mece> Venemo, that's the one I'm using
Jun 09 22:21:51 <mece> or maybe not. Well regardless. I don't want to break stuff that works right now..
Jun 09 22:22:55 <Venemo> mece, in order to make the notifications appear as one, you will need to use the setCategory method on the instances.
Jun 09 22:23:02 <Venemo> mece, you need to set the same category for them
Jun 09 22:23:13 <mece> o--k..
Jun 09 22:23:17 <Venemo> mece, as for overlaying them over your app, you will need some more hacks
Jun 09 22:23:36 <mece> no it's ok to just put them on top of eachoter as a new "app"
Jun 09 22:23:45 <mece> I jsut don't want 100 windows if I leave it too long
Jun 09 22:24:46 <mece> or actually I want them to replace eachoter.. or something..
Jun 09 22:24:49 <mece> well regardless
Jun 09 22:26:44 <Venemo> mece, thp once explained to me that the overlaying can be configured in a config file in /etc/hildon-whatever (a very bad practice by the Hildon devs). you basically need to add a few lines to that file in your postinst and remove them in your prerm
Jun 09 22:26:56 <Venemo> mece, the exact name of that file escapes me at the moment
Jun 09 22:27:09 <mece> Venemo, ow... well that blows a tad.
Jun 09 22:27:35 <Venemo> mece, but if you simply want them to appear as one, you'll need to set the same category on them
Jun 09 22:27:36 <mece> Venemo, but can I replace an already existing notification with a new one?
Jun 09 22:27:49 <mece> ok where, and to which object do I add the thing?
Jun 09 22:27:50 <Venemo> mece, you can call hide() on the previous one
Jun 09 22:28:34 <mece> how do I access it?
Jun 09 22:28:41 <mece> or even tell if it exists?
Jun 09 22:28:57 <mece> all I do is call QMaemo5Notification::nonExpiringInformation( ... )
Jun 09 22:29:22 <Venemo> mece, if you want more advanced functionality, you will need a bit more coding
Jun 09 22:29:29 <Venemo> http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/qemaemo5notification.h
Jun 09 22:29:53 <Venemo> QeMaemo5Notification *myNotification = new QeMaemo5Notification("Hello");
Jun 09 22:29:57 <Venemo> then you can call
Jun 09 22:30:17 <Venemo> if (myNotification->isVisible()) myNotification->hide();
Jun 09 22:30:45 <mece> oo.. that looks pretty sweet :)
Jun 09 22:31:04 <Venemo> mece, as I said, QMaemo5Notification is very old code, QeMaemo5Notification is the new one and it's more functional
Jun 09 22:31:04 <mece> I'll replace with this lib. Seems much better :)
Jun 09 22:31:16 <mece> ok thanks. I hadn't found the code
Jun 09 22:31:28 <Venemo> mece, as I said, just download the lib and the -dev package (you can install it into MADDE)
Jun 09 22:31:43 <Venemo> mece, then all you will need is:
Jun 09 22:31:49 <Venemo> CONFIG += link_pkgconfig
Jun 09 22:31:57 <Venemo> PKGCONFIG += q-extras
Jun 09 22:32:01 <Venemo> in your .pro file
Jun 09 22:32:09 <mece> I'd rather build it inside the project, if that's possible
Jun 09 22:32:30 <Venemo> mece, why is that?
Jun 09 22:33:31 <Venemo> it is possible of course, but I'd advise against it
Jun 09 22:33:41 <mece> oh nevermind :) I guess I'd need to depend on the package then
Jun 09 22:34:49 <Venemo> mece, you can add it as a maemo5-only dependency
Jun 09 22:34:51 <mece> hm how do I install stuff into madde anyway? I've never done that I think..
Jun 09 22:34:56 <mece> yep
Jun 09 22:35:14 <Venemo> mad-admin xdpkg -i mypackage.deb
Jun 09 22:35:23 <mece> erm
Jun 09 22:35:59 <Venemo> mad-admin is located right where 'mad' is
Jun 09 22:36:23 <mece> uhu...
Jun 09 22:36:55 <mece> I just have no idea about that stuff. When things get weird I just pull the git to scratchbox and do it there :)
Jun 09 22:38:00 <Venemo> mece, no worries, this is not difficult
Jun 09 22:38:24 <Venemo> mece, it _was_ difficult a year ago when I had to copy-paste the package contents into the sysroot
Jun 09 22:38:30 <mece> hehe
Jun 09 22:38:42 <mece> so where do I find mad-admin?
Jun 09 22:38:53 <Venemo> same place as 'mad'
Jun 09 22:39:00 <Venemo> which SDK do you use?
Jun 09 22:39:02 <mece> where do I find mad?
Jun 09 22:39:13 <mece> QtSDK wheteverversionthelatestis
Jun 09 22:39:22 <Venemo> are you on Linux?
Jun 09 22:39:29 <mece> 2.2.0
Jun 09 22:39:30 <mece> yes
Jun 09 22:39:52 <Venemo> ~/QtSDK/Maemo5/4.6.2/madbin or something like that
Jun 09 22:41:22 <mece> k found it :)
Jun 09 22:41:29 <mece> thanks
Jun 09 22:41:53 <Venemo> some time ago I gave up on that SDK, because it's a huge piece of bloatware
Jun 09 22:42:14 <Venemo> now I just have MADDE installed from the MeeGo SDK repo, and the newest Qt Creator from the Fedora repo :)
Jun 09 22:44:32 <mece> Well it's quite convenient application several platforms
Jun 09 22:44:57 <mece> there's no mad-admin here..
Jun 09 22:45:40 <mece> there is dpkg tho..
Jun 09 22:49:56 <mece> I think this was a bit too complicated for today...
Jun 09 22:50:20 <Venemo> then you found the bad location
Jun 09 22:50:39 <Venemo> there is a mad-admin executable in one of those bin directories
Jun 09 22:50:51 <Venemo> maybe use 'find' to find it?
Jun 09 22:54:41 <mece> ok it worked \o/
Jun 09 22:54:54 <mece> Package 'q-extras-dev' installed.
Jun 09 22:55:14 <Venemo> mece,  :)
Jun 09 22:55:26 <Venemo> mece, you'll need both the lib and the -dev package
Jun 09 22:55:56 <Venemo> mece, btw, MohammadAG for one uses it the same way in his app as you said
Jun 09 22:56:25 <Venemo> mece, and he also depends on the library :)
Jun 09 22:56:40 <mece> nice
Jun 09 22:56:45 <mece> ah yes
Jun 09 22:58:03 <mece> how do I import it?
Jun 09 22:58:07 <mece> erm include
Jun 09 22:58:10 <mece> #include
Jun 09 22:58:50 <Venemo> mece, http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/examples/notification/main.cpp
Jun 09 22:59:01 <mece> thanks
Jun 09 22:59:30 <Venemo> you're welcome :)
Jun 09 23:00:05 <Venemo> you could check te app at http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/q-extras/q-extras/examples/notification/ -> it is very simple
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