**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 11 02:59:57 2011 Jun 11 03:00:21 * DocScrutinizer *yawns* Jun 11 03:00:55 getting way to bright outside... Jun 11 03:00:57 o/ Jun 11 03:03:09 GeneralAntilles: get a DISTRO, a *real* distro Jun 11 03:03:18 not that buntkuh crap Jun 11 03:05:07 GeneralAntilles: you know buntkuh can't ever detect there's windows, as buntkuh IS windows Jun 11 03:05:20 ~buntkuh Jun 11 03:05:22 i heard buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond Jun 11 03:06:06 it thinks you're running an update ;-P Jun 11 03:06:50 On an unrelated matter - is chromium available from any repo now? Jun 11 04:18:55 lol Jun 11 04:19:20 is that why i can't use the vbox addons in my build vm? Jun 11 06:46:33 GeneralAntilles: ping Jun 11 06:46:54 GeneralAntilles: Seen the CO meeting agenda for 14th June Jun 11 07:43:13 Jaffa, what? where? Jun 11 08:38:53 Hi all, I want to write a simple game for my children - displaying some animal pictures, playing sounds, selecting a correct picture. I am too old to lose time with C, so I want to use Python. Should I use Qt or Gtk? (I know PyGtk, but rather through Glade). What are the good learning resources for them on n900? Should I use scratchbox anyway? Jun 11 08:39:09 PyQT Jun 11 08:39:38 If you've got a Linux desktop, you can simply write the PyQT code there, drop it onto the n900, and run it. Jun 11 08:39:59 Python/PyQT is the same between the N900 and desktop Linux, aside from the theme(basically) Jun 11 08:40:33 is not it the same with PyGk, apart from some App classes? Jun 11 08:40:34 or use PySide :-) Jun 11 08:40:46 ~pyside Jun 11 08:40:46 Dunno; I've only used Python/PyQT Jun 11 08:41:08 edheldil, alternative Python bindings for Qt Jun 11 08:41:19 quite popular in Maemo land, or so I heard Jun 11 08:43:09 Thank you, I will look into that Jun 11 08:43:18 or at it Jun 11 08:45:22 I guess there's nothing like iPhone's xcode, is there? Jun 11 08:46:34 edheldil: There's always HTML/JS Jun 11 08:47:04 Just use a full-screen browser window, and you've got an instant application framework. Just load files locally, and it'll be plenty fast Jun 11 08:48:04 edheldil_: my PyQt desktop apps run just fine with a changed ui for the N900 Jun 11 08:48:08 no change in code Jun 11 08:54:31 morning Jun 11 08:57:58 xcode, as in, IDE? Jun 11 08:59:23 edheldil, just googled up http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/ Jun 11 09:00:05 edheldil_, ^ Jun 11 09:04:54 mikhas: I know Eric. xcode is something like eclipse+glade+blender's game creator Jun 11 09:05:48 (BGC in the sense of connecting signals by dragging lines) Jun 11 09:06:25 oh wow Jun 11 09:06:41 not *that* powerful :) Jun 11 09:06:55 certainly sounds powerful to me Jun 11 09:06:59 if you say it like that Jun 11 09:07:37 the BGC was meant more in the sense of control style, not the results Jun 11 09:09:17 asked another way: are n900's PyQt/PySide apps usually programmed completely in a text editor? Jun 11 09:10:03 I do not want to miss some obvious tool everybody uses :) Jun 11 09:11:15 emacs and vim ... what did you expect? Jun 11 09:11:41 something like Glade+GttkBuilder, perhaps Jun 11 09:12:16 There's the QT builder tool... I do it all in Geany, my favorite text-editor/ide Jun 11 09:12:59 Qt Creator needs PySide support ... Jun 11 09:13:09 ok, so the usual way is "just a text editor". That's what I wanted to know :) Jun 11 09:15:43 edheldil_, yeah sadly ... just checked http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Quick_start_guide - no tools mentioned there Jun 11 09:16:25 thank you for your help, all Jun 11 09:20:29 http://imgur.com/FUPmT N8 sthyle OTG disk... Would work with N900 too .. ;) Jun 11 09:21:19 2bad that I don't have an N900 anymore so I could test.. Nokia service returned my N900... But somehow it changed to N8 on the way.. :( Jun 11 09:22:33 I'd complain to them and requesting for return of N900 or I'd sue Jun 11 09:23:10 too bad its a shame you're too soft to even do that but to post something that doesn't even run maemo in a maemo channel Jun 11 09:23:27 They'd most likely would have paid me some amount of money... And I couldn't still get a new N900. Jun 11 09:24:13 I was sure you can source N900 freely from internet, people said from amazon or dell Jun 11 09:24:28 Yeah.. and then try to change the keyboard.. Jun 11 09:24:34 n900's can still be bought Jun 11 09:24:45 better than n8 which isn't even remotely maemo Jun 11 09:26:13 whats even more is n8's lack of hardware keyboard Jun 11 09:26:40 psycho_oreos: I know.. But at least N8 has a kickass camera :P Jun 11 09:28:37 PolarFox, wow, its only one great feature, `kickass camera'. I'm sure you couldn't even tell the difference between N900's 5MP camera and n8's 12MP camera unless you're a professional photographer. Plus no decent photographers would use a phone to take a picture Jun 11 09:29:06 the difference is actually pretty strikingly obvious in almost any condition Jun 11 09:29:09 Well.. I'm a semi-pro photographer with few DSLR bodies and pile of lenses... so.. :) Jun 11 09:29:13 plus, its an all-round pretty decent device Jun 11 09:29:57 I hated N8 for the first few weeks.. But I can live with it until I find a phone that I'd like to buy. Jun 11 09:30:25 there's plenty of other decent devices that nokia produces, but nothing would come close as the maemo series. They were built for a purpose unlike the usual ones Jun 11 09:32:56 I'd never would want to put up with an alternative that's not even the same as original, aboveall its worse than original apart from its 12MP of wow factor Jun 11 09:33:57 well. in many other ways its also a better productivity tool Jun 11 09:34:30 yeah for the type that doesn't want to care how it works, it has to _just_ work Jun 11 09:35:39 morning Jun 11 09:36:55 I'm sure with that sort of saying, windows phones, iphones, and blackberries be all the same. For those who doesn't care let alone doesn't even care how or why it works, it has to just work. Jun 11 09:37:46 may as well get any one of those as replacement, it'll be just as efficient in terms of productivity. Lets forget about maemo because it isn't productive Jun 11 09:38:03 it has nothing to do with how a device works over whether it works, it just has to do with half-assed design at nokia Jun 11 09:38:42 the type of symbian devices are specifically aimed at a different market segment Jun 11 09:42:11 what doesn't make the phone is the design or how it works, what makes the phone is a device which is specifically aimed at those of interest to buy. If someone swapped your N900 for N95 would you be happy? Jun 11 12:09:24 * lcukabc yawns Jun 11 12:31:34 is there a way to make the apps fullscreen? Jun 11 12:36:56 hiemanshu, code it that way? Jun 11 12:37:14 (there's a way with wmctrl which makes the window manager do it) Jun 11 12:37:31 MohammadAG: I got it working, had to change main.cpp to use showFullScreen() Jun 11 12:39:19 oh Qt Jun 11 12:40:21 yeah Jun 11 12:40:36 Qt is nice, everythign else is meh :P Jun 11 13:11:39 eh, so how come apt-cache search pax11publish shows pulseaudio-utils - Command line tools for the PulseAudio sound server but the installing that package, it's not there? dpkg -L lists a bunch of other tools but pax11publish is missing. Jun 11 13:12:07 I want my n900 to play to my pulse server on my desktop. Jun 11 13:48:44 hi! Jun 11 13:49:14 I want to install kernel-power, but it it said: Jun 11 13:49:16 The following packages will be REMOVED: Jun 11 13:49:16 kernel-maemo kernel-modules-maemo mobilehotspot Jun 11 13:49:20 - is it OK? Jun 11 13:50:54 please? Jun 11 13:52:35 gahhhh Jun 11 13:52:42 pulseaudio is useless. Jun 11 13:58:56 Jaffa: pong. No. Jun 11 13:59:38 Jaffa, ah. See it. Jun 11 13:59:43 Why does that fall under the CO? . . . Jun 11 14:00:17 mikhas, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004205.html Jun 11 14:05:59 No mention of the TSG on the linked wiki page. http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Proposed_CO_Nominations_June2011 Jun 11 14:07:53 GeneralAntilles, well, it's a wiki ... anyone can edit it, right? ;-) Jun 11 14:08:41 * mikhas considers to just add Jaffa to http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Proposed_CO_Nominations_June2011#New_Proposed_Nominations Jun 11 14:10:15 I'm sure there's additional non-transparent process involved in getting a nomination to the proposal stage. *g* Jun 11 14:10:34 let's see Jun 11 14:11:58 GeneralAntilles, done :-D Jun 11 14:12:08 * GeneralAntilles prepares for fallout. Jun 11 14:12:19 now let's see how that non-transparent process works Jun 11 14:25:19 hm Jun 11 14:42:16 WTF, GeneralAntilles for president of meego? Jun 11 15:44:15 DocScrutinizer, no. President of the Webernets Jun 11 15:44:32 whatever that is Jun 11 15:58:11 hi, is it possible to install maemo on ARMv5 tablet ? Jun 11 15:59:40 ZinovaS, it's unrealistic Jun 11 15:59:54 even worse on armv5 Jun 11 16:01:01 I see... thanks... Jun 11 16:01:40 it would be easier with MeeGo, but that's also lots of effort Jun 11 16:02:00 not even 770's firmware? I wonder which CPU they had back then lol Jun 11 16:02:37 Well it's not just the cpu Jun 11 16:03:31 Atleast MeeGo has a procedure for working on the hardware adaptation Jun 11 16:03:58 whereas in Maemo you'll just have to do alot of hacking, both in open source and closed source components Jun 11 16:04:28 Isn't armv5 = arm9? Jun 11 16:04:34 yes Jun 11 16:04:42 or 10 Jun 11 16:04:45 9 Jun 11 16:04:53 uh Jun 11 16:07:07 what linux could I easly install on my tablet? i just need ffmpeg, usb-bt and usb-serial support... Jun 11 16:07:34 i dont think you install anythinh easily on these things :) Jun 11 16:08:08 Usually first problems start at the bootloader, figuring out how to make it load something from sd or other easy medium Jun 11 16:08:38 i wonder.. android has linux kernel, and it runs ok on the tablet. why linux itself cant be installed here ... Jun 11 16:09:17 Well you need to figure out the details. Jun 11 16:09:29 Not every device lets you replace files even Jun 11 16:09:38 for android i downloaded image, but in in sd, guesed correct config file and it flashed... Jun 11 16:11:12 Well that's good for running android, if someone has already spent the few man-month-hours for figuring out how to make android run on it, figured out how to install it, and packaged it into easy to use delivery mechanism Jun 11 16:13:45 but the part of booting the kernel is almost the same i think... diference is only what happens after kernel... Jun 11 16:14:35 usually getting a kernel to boot is the hardest part Jun 11 16:15:25 and then if you have no way to create a new image, you have to figure out how to use the existing operating system to overwrite itself with new operating system, without breaking anything in the process Jun 11 16:17:13 Or figure out a nice place in the old operating system to add diversion to continue booting from another storage media Jun 11 16:17:22 ZinovaS: what is the tablet? Jun 11 16:17:28 well that is done in the android (uberoid) image i have... it looks like it extracts some tar archives and puts some config files, after that I boot in to new android install.. Jun 11 16:17:59 These things are all different between different devices Jun 11 16:18:08 does it have separate normal and recovery kernels, that makes life easier testing Meego out Jun 11 16:18:16 not all devices give you easy access to write/extract a tar archive, for example Jun 11 16:18:32 tablet is WonderMedia WM8650 Jun 11 16:18:56 ZinovaS: afaiu Android kernels contain an initramfs, you can replace init there to boot whatever you wish Jun 11 16:19:15 certainly that's the approach in the Tab and the other devices I know about Jun 11 16:19:33 it would be nice if the kernel were gplv3, tivoing a device is allowed under gplv2 Jun 11 16:19:39 you can then either mount a loop fs or I prefer to mount an external SD card containing the Meego install Jun 11 16:20:01 Can you still replace the initramfs if you mess it up, or does it need working initramfs in order to write a new initramfs or to reflash/replace android again? Jun 11 16:20:21 It's good idea to figure out details for recovery first, and figure out what depends on what :P Jun 11 16:20:24 the Tab has a primary and secondary bootloader, then the kernel Jun 11 16:20:30 so you can still flash if you break the kernel Jun 11 16:21:10 if you have separate normal and recovery kernels, life is easier, as on the Tab you have to alter init such that it can still boot normal Android if there's e.g. no SD card with Meego on it Jun 11 16:21:50 well i tested 14 different configuration flashing my tab, most of them dont even boot, so i think flashing is in the "bios" :) Jun 11 16:22:10 to actually boot e.g. Meego you'll need to make some changes to the kernel config though, make sure you enable a console that you can see, etc Jun 11 16:22:28 ZinovaS: sure, that's fine then Jun 11 16:22:43 ZinovaS: have you tried extracting the initramfs from your kernel backup? Jun 11 16:23:07 I guess you've been able to root the device then backup the kernel partition using dd? Jun 11 16:23:27 extract with what? (im new to kernel stuff..) Jun 11 16:23:52 do you have a zImage from the device (rather than one you built yourself)? Jun 11 16:24:20 take a look at my work on the Tab here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird Jun 11 16:24:30 the extraction scripts will work for you Jun 11 16:24:36 or at least should do ;) Jun 11 16:25:27 no, i dont have anything from device itself, i started flashing it until it worked again with new versio of andriod... Jun 11 16:26:00 building your own kernel? Jun 11 16:26:26 because you can also pass rootfs (iirc) as a kernel cmdline parameter Jun 11 16:28:53 but afaiu Android requires things to be setup before you pass control to it, so I assumed one required an initramfs Jun 11 16:29:10 I may well be wrong :) Jun 11 16:31:12 ok, so idea there is that early in the boot process setting rootfs to SD and booting from it? Jun 11 16:32:09 that is one option - what I do is chroot to the SD card after mounting it Jun 11 16:32:17 and then run init there Jun 11 16:32:24 this is done in the initramfs Jun 11 16:32:27 hi simon Jun 11 16:32:34 hey lcuk Jun 11 16:32:49 how is your code garden today? Jun 11 16:33:04 ZinovaS: but it is also possible to just set the correct cmdline and boot directly from the sd card Jun 11 16:33:14 lcuk: not bad, doing some planting :) Jun 11 16:33:24 :) good stuff Jun 11 16:33:44 will have to pack build machine tomorrow, so no coding for a week+ Jun 11 16:33:44 I am just weeding some of the lawn Jun 11 16:33:47 [6~\ Jun 11 16:34:12 * lardman hopes he can get broadband setup quickly Jun 11 16:34:29 oh yeah Jun 11 16:35:39 hmm, /me is watching ch18 Jun 11 16:35:53 just saw an advert for uniformdating, if you like people in uniforms Jun 11 16:36:02 very odd (to have a website) Jun 11 16:36:15 ch18 is the music channel for those of you not in the uk Jun 11 16:36:25 and those in the uk Jun 11 16:36:40 well freeview Jun 11 16:38:48 lol ^ Jun 11 16:38:49 lardman, my grep does not have -P option... Jun 11 16:39:53 is it worth me trying to get the twitter conv plugin working? Jun 11 16:40:38 either with oauth or a auth proxy Jun 11 16:41:33 lardman, i flashed with that: http://tmp.at.lt/HYBRiD_WM8650_UBEROID_1.3.0_v5.7z (135MB) Jun 11 16:43:02 ZinovaS: is grep with -P required to extract the initramfs? Jun 11 16:43:34 I should look at the script, but typing on this netbook isn't much fun Jun 11 16:43:35 i got script http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Tab/initramfs/initramfs_extractor.sh Jun 11 16:43:41 yeah Jun 11 16:44:04 well it should be possible to modify that to work with whatever you do have Jun 11 16:44:12 I didn't write it I must admit Jun 11 16:44:37 I'd probably code it up in C, but I hate shell scripting ;) Jun 11 16:48:19 * RST38h moos at lardman Jun 11 16:48:52 lardman, i think i extracted it.. Jun 11 16:49:07 but it looks binary.. Jun 11 16:49:23 omg... 477 bytes.. :/ Jun 11 16:58:57 hey RST38h Jun 11 16:59:04 ZinovaS: it's a cpio archive Jun 11 16:59:42 477 might work if there is only an init in there I guess Jun 11 17:00:08 really this depends on whether you care about being able to still boot Android Jun 11 17:00:22 if not then you can probably get rid and just set the kernel cmdline correctly Jun 11 17:00:34 not realy, i can flash it back if i want it... Jun 11 17:00:40 you may find that your bootloader overrides whatever you set when you compile the kernel Jun 11 17:00:58 in which case you need to modify arch/arm/kernel/setup.c iirc Jun 11 17:01:30 you'll need to do some testing to see what happens, and also to see what the correct cmdline is as I can't remember off the top of my head, sorry Jun 11 17:01:56 note: I never successfully compiled a kernel.. Jun 11 17:02:11 ah, well that would probably be a first step Jun 11 17:02:35 check whether there are closed kernel modules you need, check compiler version, etc Jun 11 17:02:56 if you can compile everything from the source, then the compiler version is not overly important Jun 11 17:03:07 there are some .ko files for wifi adapter.. Jun 11 17:03:17 you may find it says what to use in the kernel source tarball from the manufacturers Jun 11 17:03:35 ah ok, so you will want to make sure it all works then Jun 11 17:03:41 but that's some way down the line Jun 11 17:03:49 booting it is the first step Jun 11 17:04:22 * lardman pops to the shop quickly bbiam Jun 11 17:07:10 ok, so i should grab source from kernel.org (probably latest) and play with it? Jun 11 17:08:08 maybe it would support wifi out-of-box ;) Jun 11 17:21:16 re Jun 11 17:21:32 hmm, you'd be lucky Jun 11 17:21:46 I'd try to at least get the output of dmesg from Android Jun 11 17:22:00 then you can see whether the modules are likely to be in mainline Jun 11 17:22:09 also your manuf should have provided a tarball Jun 11 17:22:28 or even a git repo if you're very lucky Jun 11 18:03:51 I have recently bought a nokia n900 and am very pleased so far - but i can't get instantmessaging to work. ICQ refuses to connect and MSN is "activated" but i don't see any contacts in the list... Jun 11 18:05:25 i'm trying to use the on board "conversations" program... if i try pidgin, all is fine... Jun 11 18:14:59 Is there a Hildon widget for selecting a file name? If not, is gtk_file_selection_get_filename the preferred file selection dialog widget for maemo 5? Jun 11 18:16:45 hildon_file_chooser_dialog_new Jun 11 18:16:59 MohammadAG, Thanks! Jun 11 18:18:43 yw Jun 11 18:23:37 has someone any idea why icq is not working? Jun 11 18:23:58 nicofs, What is icq? Jun 11 18:24:30 instant messaging protocol Jun 11 18:36:04 haha Ken-Young is really young :) Jun 11 18:40:11 still... i can't connect... Jun 11 19:01:43 cehteh - Actually, I'm an old coot. Very, very few N900 owners are as old as I am. Jun 11 19:02:27 heh .. and you dont know icq then? back in 1997 or so they where the first instant messenger in place and everyone wanted to use it Jun 11 19:02:52 brb Jun 11 19:03:34 cehteh, Old can be either too young, or too old, to remember things from 1997. Jun 11 19:03:45 s/Old/One/ Jun 11 19:03:47 Ken-Young meant: cehteh, One can be either too young, or too old, to remember things from 1997. Jun 11 19:08:20 * SpeedEvil thinks he remembers using software from Ken-Young in 1997 Jun 11 19:10:29 lll Jun 11 19:11:00 SpeedEvil, Maybe so - I wrote my first program in 1970. Jun 11 19:12:13 darn, I started with "hardcoded" statemachines soldered together with TTL74xx back when ;-D Jun 11 19:12:58 DocScrutinizer, That's still more maintainable than Perl code. Jun 11 19:12:59 eventually exploiting a pocket calculator by interfacing key matrix and display Jun 11 19:13:31 i don't want to be rude... but that doesn't solve my problem... *g* Jun 11 19:13:38 DocScrutinizer, Did you drool for years looking at the HP-65 like I did? Jun 11 19:13:44 ok I *still* have punched cards from a PDP-11 that I use as bookmarks Jun 11 19:14:06 with Fortran programming on them Jun 11 19:14:07 yeah - it was 1997 - I was using xephem to locate hale-bopp Jun 11 19:14:08 sure, especially when some other dude had it borrowed from our physics teacher ;-) Jun 11 19:14:18 And completely failing to find it due to the light pollution. Jun 11 19:15:31 SpeedEvil, Hyakutake completely ruined me for comets. I saw it at closest approach on Mauna Kea. It was bright blue, with a tail twice as long as the Big Dipper. Jun 11 19:15:44 :) Jun 11 19:17:39 hmm, are these things in the sky without strobes? Jun 11 19:17:50 not sure I see many of those these days ;) Jun 11 19:19:23 Hyakutake moved across the sky at one degree per our at closest approach - you could see its position change relative to background stars in a couple of minutes. Jun 11 19:19:30 I think it was cloudy , and again I was living in a bright area for hyakutake Jun 11 19:20:03 SpeedEvil, That's a terrible shame. I don't think I'll live to se a better comet than that one. Jun 11 19:20:17 hi there, why won't my maemo loopmount? when i try to mount -o loop, it says "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on failed: No such device" (sorry if this message appeared more than once, connection issues...) Jun 11 19:21:32 alecjw: does that device exist? Jun 11 19:22:00 is loop.ko loaded Jun 11 19:23:13 have you run losetup? Jun 11 19:23:17 I think the way loopmounts work and maybe even the semantics and syntax changed a bit since I last looked at it ;-) Jun 11 19:28:32 nicofs: might be difficult to find a significant number of experts for ICQ, to help you out Jun 11 19:29:27 sorry. connection went again. did i miss anything? Jun 11 19:29:27 nicofs: i just found out icq stuff is down Jun 11 19:30:39 hmmm.. but you say it works for pidgin? (/me thinks to retract that... but not working for me..) Jun 11 19:33:20 alecjw, is loop.ko loaded, do you have it Jun 11 19:35:09 mikhas: fine by me :) Jun 11 19:58:06 ShadowJK: sorry, was afk. i tried modprobe loop, but it says module not found. do i need to compile it? Jun 11 19:58:16 probably Jun 11 19:58:30 actually my phone doesn't have a toolchain... shouldnt it come with loop.ko? Jun 11 19:58:47 It's not used for anything, so it probably doesn't come with it Jun 11 19:59:17 the meego chroot tutorial tells you to loopmount a file, and doesnt mention anything about loop.ko Jun 11 19:59:37 I guess the tutorial fails :P Jun 11 20:00:04 i can't find any reports of anyone else having trouble with it though, which is a bit odd.... Jun 11 20:00:11 meego! Jun 11 20:00:16 try PK Jun 11 20:00:37 Yeah the tutorial probably assumed power kernel Jun 11 20:00:41 they should have mentioned it Jun 11 20:00:48 ah, can i get that from the repos? Jun 11 20:00:55 DocScrutinizer: pk? Jun 11 20:01:42 oh, powerkernel :P Jun 11 20:02:09 i'm not trying to install meego btw, just gentoo Jun 11 20:03:34 /dev/loop0..7 exists on my IroN900 CSSU w/o PK(?) Jun 11 20:04:07 is there udev .. or had-wired device nodes without anything behind? Jun 11 20:04:13 DocScrutinizer: it exists for me when i ls it too... Jun 11 20:04:14 Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Jun 11 20:04:29 i think cehteh's on the money there Jun 11 20:05:15 i'm installing "enhanced kernel for power users" now, i'm guessing that's what i want Jun 11 20:05:58 Toilet valves replaced. No more running toilets. Woo Jun 11 20:06:25 gysers plugged? Jun 11 20:07:09 alecjw: what's the losetup cmd you used? Jun 11 20:09:13 DocScrutinizer: mount -t ext4 filename mountpoint -o loop, i'm going to try again with the new kernel though Jun 11 20:09:37 losetup, not mount Jun 11 20:09:59 aiui mount -o loop doesn't work Jun 11 20:10:21 oh, i thought losetup and mount -o loop were the same Jun 11 20:10:27 was there something about it needing power kernel? Jun 11 20:11:47 mount works now with powerkernel Jun 11 20:13:03 ah Jun 11 20:13:18 good evening Jun 11 20:17:56 >> This type of mount knows about four options, namely loop, offset, sizelimit and encryption, that are really options to losetup(8).<< seems mount is just an interface to losetup Jun 11 20:20:08 hi Venemo Jun 11 20:21:01 bloomin' 'eck - i didn't realise maemo was without bzip2 Jun 11 20:23:35 hey DocScrutinizer :) Jun 11 20:23:37 what's up? Jun 11 20:32:08 excellent, i've got into my gentoo chroot Jun 11 20:37:12 hmm, anyone know what software i can use to handle all the GSM stuff? ie phone calls and texts? Jun 11 20:38:35 dbus? Jun 11 20:39:05 i mean a frontend Jun 11 20:39:08 KenaleWhat are you trying to do? Jun 11 20:39:13 alecjw: Jun 11 20:39:38 alecjw: It's not possible to really take over the phone functions on maemo without doing truly major lobotomies. Jun 11 20:40:02 i don't know how realistic this is, but i was thinking of trying to build my own setup from the ground up for my phone Jun 11 20:40:17 start off with a gentoo stage3 and build up Jun 11 20:40:23 took nokia some manyears to develop :P Jun 11 20:41:29 true, i'm probably being an idiot :P Jun 11 20:41:47 i'm just so frustrated with everything about maemo Jun 11 20:45:15 meego has gotten the phone working AIUI - that might be a beter starting point Jun 11 20:54:34 can the radiostation on an n8x0 be changed via the command line? Jun 11 21:06:10 or is there some way to X forwarding over ssh for the n8x0 Jun 11 21:06:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/X_forwarding_over_ssh Jun 11 21:10:04 http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4216781/TI-cuts-Q2-outlook?cid=NL_EETimesDaily Jun 11 21:18:56 :) http://twitter.com/#!/MsDeadFolx/status/79657953673744385 Jun 11 21:20:50 alecjw: you need ofono, and a dialer frontend using ofono Jun 11 21:21:44 meh, again a twitter URL Jun 11 21:22:30 >:-( Jun 12 00:03:16 whoah Jun 12 00:03:24 youtube just gave me a Nokia E7 add Jun 12 00:03:26 ad* Jun 12 00:03:46 Too bad it was in dutch (I don't understand dutch), and the audio was fucked Jun 12 00:03:47 meh, scratch the ad, and it becomes some news Jun 12 00:03:49 :-) Jun 12 00:04:09 It's always news when Nokia Marketing actually does something :P Jun 12 00:04:21 Twitter - check trends. Jun 12 00:04:36 again that word >:-( Jun 12 00:04:38 http://twitter.com/#!/MsDeadFolx/status/79657953673744385 - was a comment to it that amused me Jun 12 00:04:49 and an URL, GRRRR ;-) Jun 12 00:05:06 non-user-replaceable battery... Jun 12 00:05:23 "I keep thinking the #PinkisFreedom trend says, #Penisfreedom" Jun 12 00:05:34 "Retweeted by melliti_oussama and 4 others" Jun 12 00:05:41 I defintely won't click on any twitter URL a third time, just to find it shows a blank page after 20s of loading stuff Jun 12 00:06:17 okia Nokia 120 Retweets Pinkify your Facebook with the new #PinkN8 app! http://nokia.ly/kxHGx6 #pinkisfreedom Jun 12 00:07:21 * DocScrutinizer dunks, screams, and runs direction tmo for shelter Jun 12 00:08:04 ducks even Jun 12 00:08:23 It's in celebration of the N8 being available in hot pink Jun 12 00:08:41 thoughtasmuch Jun 12 00:09:00 * DocScrutinizer starts to praise abill_uk Jun 12 00:09:21 * nox- remembers a female geek that had pink cat5 cables... Jun 12 00:09:56 (or maybe still has :) Jun 12 00:10:25 I always thought tmo can't be topped. twitter does that hands down, and NOW IT ENTERS IRC, WAAAHHH Jun 12 00:12:23 pink patchcables are geeky though, for girls :-) Jun 12 00:13:30 what colour would your crossover cables be, to match the pink patch cables Jun 12 00:13:35 I prefer the glowing variant, where one end shines up when you hold a small flashlight to the other end Jun 12 00:13:45 heh Jun 12 00:17:37 nox-: http://boingboing.net/2010/03/24/where-bling-and-cabl.html Jun 12 00:17:58 hehe Jun 12 00:18:14 also available as usb, firewire and many more :P Jun 12 00:19:29 just do a image search on google: bling pink cables Jun 12 00:22:01 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-A-IPOD-DOCKING-GLOWING-CABLE-LIGHTSNAKE-/270680225820?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f05cc781c Jun 12 00:28:13 http://www.patchsee-solution.com/de/DE-463?gclid=COysms-Nr6kCFRSVzAodESYOKA Jun 12 00:33:02 ShadowJK: so my answer is obvious: black cables with small red applications at the ends, plus a flashlight tol modded to have MOAR POWER and blue Jun 12 00:35:28 * SpeedEvil is making a teeny flashlight. Jun 12 00:35:44 Sort of like one of those two li-ion button cell ones. Jun 12 00:35:57 two lithium coin cell and a 5mm LED Jun 12 00:36:25 But with a 150mAh li-ion cell and a 3W LED. Jun 12 00:44:34 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at CNN comments. Jun 12 00:44:36 Oh the darlings. Jun 12 01:55:51 ~seen vdvsx Jun 12 01:55:54 vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 117d 7h 22m 47s ago, saying: 'sivang, link is somewhere above'. Jun 12 01:58:20 * DocScrutinizer whistles funeral march and looks at /msg chanserv #maemo-devel list and number of users/traffic Jun 12 01:58:57 GeneralAntilles: like a glass of vodka? Jun 12 01:59:59 Polishing off a glass of sangiovese at the moment. Jun 12 02:00:28 cheers to all the dead channels then Jun 12 02:01:04 Hehe Jun 12 02:01:07 Long, slow fall. Jun 12 02:01:12 Fingers crossed for the 21st. Jun 12 02:09:46 http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/plot.png Jun 12 02:09:58 Smoothed average of maemo traffic over the last little while Jun 12 02:10:01 lines/day Jun 12 02:10:48 All-time peak in Dec 10 at 6k, now rising close to that since a lull Jun 12 02:12:56 Err - ignore that Jun 12 02:12:59 Is the new peak all N-9 speculation? Jun 12 02:13:24 That is traffic * my network-shittiness. Jun 12 02:13:53 As it only restarts a log when I reconnect - I thought it split by days too Jun 12 02:15:05 There isn't an easy one-liner to fix the graph, so I'm not going to bother. Jun 12 02:46:40 SpeedEvil, weak sauce. Jun 12 02:46:50 We're all let down now. Jun 12 02:48:10 haha Jun 12 02:48:43 * DocScrutinizer suggests going for filesize of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Jun 12 02:50:51 aha Jun 12 02:51:19 http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/plot.png Jun 12 02:51:19 a pity it's not showing filesize directly Jun 12 02:51:25 Monthly lines Jun 12 02:51:45 (with this month multipled by 3) Jun 12 02:52:59 is that zero for 11/04 now? Jun 12 02:53:12 no Jun 12 02:53:28 oh, 20k Jun 12 02:53:51 excluding joins/parts Jun 12 02:54:00 \o/ Jun 12 02:54:52 * DocScrutinizer is cursing missing burger stash in fridge Jun 12 02:56:17 For various reasons, I've gone with keeping 6 months of food. Jun 12 02:56:28 you got similar stats for e.g. #meego(-arm)? Jun 12 02:56:43 Disruption of income, plus I can't have a really good idea and blow money on it. Jun 12 02:56:57