**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 17 02:59:56 2011 Jun 17 04:15:46 * SpeedEvil wishes it was possible to reset IMEI. Jun 17 04:16:00 (there are a number of cheap ipad plans, that it would be nice to use) Jun 17 04:21:56 I thought it was? Jun 17 04:22:22 SpeedEvil: You can make Nokia reset your IMEI by giving you a N8 instead of a N900 ;) Jun 17 04:22:29 lol Jun 17 04:22:39 Like they did to me the bastards.... Jun 17 04:22:56 I'd at least expect an E7 and not a darn N8 Jun 17 04:23:00 haj: really? Jun 17 04:23:14 haj: I hope you're an isolated case by a clueless repair shop Jun 17 04:23:16 N8 seems to be standard replacement nowadays, yes :( Jun 17 04:23:17 SpeedEvil: yes... I was ranting about it yesterday.. Jun 17 04:23:25 SpeedEvil: Nokias main repairshop in europe? Jun 17 04:23:32 Ow. Jun 17 04:23:35 Bugger. Jun 17 04:23:45 " Hi Jun 17 04:23:45 Please kindly be informed that N900 swap units are not available any more Jun 17 04:23:45 and the official replacement swap units of N900 is N8. Therefore you Jun 17 04:23:45 received this model, please do not send back the device. Jun 17 04:23:45 Thank you! Jun 17 04:23:48 Best regards, Jun 17 04:23:50 Dóra Jun 17 04:23:52 I was meaning to send mine in to fix the intermittent. Jun 17 04:23:53 Dóra Szatmári Jun 17 04:23:55 Customer Service - Nokia Repair Hub" Jun 17 04:24:04 haj: What'd gone wrong with it? Jun 17 04:24:05 Be careful about that... Jun 17 04:24:40 SpeedEvil: It lost connection to the telephony functions when pressed on random places.. Jun 17 04:25:01 Ah - similar to mine then somewhat. Jun 17 04:27:26 They are such assholes... I can't even restore my backup on a N8 (not that I tried.. I'm going to call them later, and I don't want to turn on that shitty N8) Jun 17 04:28:59 :/ Good luck! Jun 17 04:31:49 SpeedEvil: Last time Nokia for me.... that's for sure... Jun 17 04:32:42 * SpeedEvil wishes the n900 had been handled differently. Jun 17 04:34:43 * SpeedEvil has the solution. It involves http://cgi.ebay.com/SCYLLAC-100-000V-1-3-F-HIGH-VOLTAGE-CAPACITOR-HV-100K-/170587818811?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b7d38b3b#ht_1102wt_1138 and two crocodile clips. Jun 17 04:34:49 Also Mr Elop. Jun 17 05:30:27 SpeedEvil, hehe Jun 17 06:42:40 hello Jun 17 07:26:53 just got myself a bottle of cheap booze Jun 17 07:27:17 thing is goddamn cheap I can even open it with a knife! Jun 17 07:52:49 Morning, all Jun 17 09:06:29 great.. now I have a recorded conversation where Nokia's customercare promises me a new N900 if I make the store I bought it in complain that i got a N8 as a replacement for my old N900.... Jun 17 09:08:52 the recording doesnt really help you much Jun 17 09:11:05 nid0: here in Denmark we have a televisionshow that loves to show bad customer support.... It should work to threaten them with that... ;) Jun 17 09:12:13 I think even a trashy tv show would struggle to make "company swaps broken cheap phone with more expensive newer one per their warranty terms, call centre monkey makes a mistake" look terribly bad :) Jun 17 09:12:23 nid0: Perhaps it's somekind of service to give people N8's as a replacement because lots of people (non-powerusers) have been unhappy with N900.. ? Jun 17 09:12:43 nid0: N900 costs more than N8 Jun 17 09:12:44 Is the sequal to N900 out yet? Jun 17 09:12:50 haj, no it doesnt Jun 17 09:12:56 nid0: In Denmark it does Jun 17 09:13:11 find places that sell the n900 at a sensible price then :) Jun 17 09:13:12 nid0: Also it's a lower spec phone. Jun 17 09:17:19 nid0: But you are right that on ebay a N8 is more expensive than the few new N900's.. Jun 17 09:17:44 nid0: But I don't really care.. they should ask me. Jun 17 09:18:31 nid0: I have software for the N900 and can't transfer the license.. I can't restore my backup, it's only 16GB vs 32.. Jun 17 09:18:38 I have to go.. :) Jun 17 09:21:05 According to PocketNow the device in question is Nokia N9, successor to the highly successful Nokia N8. Earlier this year, the N9 specs were leaked online to everyone's delight. Featuring an Intel 1.6 GHz processor, 1GB RAM, 200 MHz GPU with 512MB RAM, N9 also comes equipped with a 480 x 854 pixel display, 12 mega-pixel camera, full slider qwerty keyboard and amazing connectivity options. The N9 specs are infact so spectacular that it is touted Jun 17 09:21:12 true? Jun 17 09:22:12 1.6GHz intel? atom? wheres the nuclear reactor? Jun 17 09:22:39 jaska: you connect it over usb, a very convenient power source ;) Jun 17 09:22:51 to a backpack battery?:D Jun 17 09:22:59 nah nuclear reactor :D Jun 17 09:23:04 ah Jun 17 09:23:08 I think 200mhz gpu was a bit low... Jun 17 09:23:15 intel developing mobile processors quite a while now Jun 17 09:23:26 why low? Jun 17 09:23:49 99.9% of the time the GPU usage is low Jun 17 09:24:33 ill eat a sock (maybe) if they come up with an x86 linux phone still Jun 17 09:26:43 jaska: Why? Jun 17 09:27:02 lolcat: it just sounds unlikely to me somehow.. with all the flopping around Jun 17 09:28:15 I have managed to hack my way through from my debian eeepc, through the n900 to ssh to my remote shell for irssi, but how do I get the gprs connection to actually connect the eeepc? Jun 17 09:28:44 jaska: How so? Jun 17 09:34:57 jpinxremoteshell, setup iptables nat and ipv4.ip_forward for routing etc... Jun 17 09:37:49 ruskie: making the n900 a router? Jun 17 09:40:35 jpinxremoteshell, yup Jun 17 09:41:28 ruskie: ok, thanks, Jun 17 09:41:39 * jpinxremoteshell goes off to read up on that,,,, Jun 17 09:50:32 ruskie: that's a pita, is there an idiots guide anywhere? Jun 17 09:51:18 no clue Jun 17 09:51:25 been ages since I touched anything like it Jun 17 09:51:42 ruskie: :( Jun 17 09:52:04 might be on tmo Jun 17 09:53:00 tmo ? Jun 17 09:53:08 jpinxremoteshell, talk.maemo.org Jun 17 09:53:30 ok Jun 17 09:54:23 kinda hard to do when the thing I need is neded to discover howto do the thing I need Jun 17 09:57:28 well you do have a browser ON the N900 that you can use Jun 17 09:57:50 no one's using mobilehotspot? Jun 17 10:00:43 http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/ferretdna/1337fun/lcd784.jpg Jun 17 10:00:49 ups... Jun 17 10:29:40 hello guys Jun 17 10:29:57 has anybody experienced problems connecting to skype this week ? Jun 17 10:30:30 not this week Jun 17 10:35:24 reboot solved the issue Jun 17 11:22:21 anyone had any luck using the N95's AD-43 with the N900? Jun 17 11:27:07 headset multibutton? Jun 17 11:43:51 docscrutinizer: yes. Jun 17 11:44:08 i tried to sniff out any button presses from dbus -> no dice Jun 17 11:46:38 if it interests you, qwerty12 wrote a program to handle extra buttons on a nokia headset. The package didn't specifically specify which headsets would be supported or if it would even work with PR1.3 Jun 17 11:46:53 that package iirc was in extras-devel Jun 17 11:51:00 Hurrian: if I remember correctly that thing contains a battery, you also might want to check if it has any juice left Jun 17 12:05:12 psycho_oreos: WHEN was that? Jun 17 12:05:44 psycho_oreos: where's that pkg? pointer please, as I doubt that ever happened Jun 17 12:07:55 skrrr: they have batteries? Jun 17 12:08:05 ugh, i'll have to go look for my N95 Jun 17 12:08:28 on a side note, the plugs that came with the n900 broke Jun 17 12:08:34 seems to be a popular issue Jun 17 12:08:49 Hurrian: forget it, afaik this doesn't work at all on N900 Jun 17 12:09:22 D: Jun 17 12:09:26 Hurrian: which plugs? what broke? Jun 17 12:09:35 the wh-something Jun 17 12:09:39 headset Jun 17 12:09:43 with the button Jun 17 12:16:52 Hurrian: sorry? Jun 17 12:16:59 Hurrian: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 Jun 17 12:17:29 DocScrutinizer, still looking for it, I couldn't find it with a simple apt-cache. Double checking with fapman and hopefully I wasn't dreaming :) Jun 17 12:17:54 psycho_oreos: see ^^^link as well Jun 17 12:18:00 you might be dreaming Jun 17 12:18:31 there's a package to start/stop mediaplayer playback via the one and only button on WiredHeadset Jun 17 12:19:11 hi Jun 17 12:19:23 how i do restore the default /sbin/preinit from inside nitdroid? Jun 17 12:19:41 i fucked it up and i can only boot into nitdroid now, can't hit 0 in multiboot or flash a new kernel because multiboot always takes over Jun 17 12:20:02 but nitdroid still boots and i need to fix /sbin/preinit to be able to reflash only the kernel from the flasher Jun 17 12:20:02 Jade: /topic! Jun 17 12:20:07 Hurrian: so you say your N900 accessory wired headset is broken? Jun 17 12:20:13 oh Jun 17 12:20:22 sorry Jun 17 12:20:23 hey doc! Jun 17 12:20:36 i'd still like to know how to restore /sbin/preinit though Jun 17 12:20:45 Jade: no problem but there is a nitdroid forum and a channel... go there Jun 17 12:21:01 hey chem|st Jun 17 12:21:10 long time no see Jun 17 12:21:24 awe was busy, building a miner... Jun 17 12:21:37 a miner? Jun 17 12:21:49 bitcoin/namecoin miner Jun 17 12:22:14 oh i just remembered i have a rootfs backup somewhere Jun 17 12:22:15 thanks anyway Jun 17 12:22:24 Jade: no idea how to install preinit from nitdroid Jun 17 12:22:32 i dont need to install anything Jun 17 12:22:34 just edit a file Jun 17 12:22:41 i just didnt know what to modify Jun 17 12:22:43 now it's good Jun 17 12:22:50 Jade: maybe use meego instead, it should be simple to do such things under meego Jun 17 12:22:51 I have no idea how to become rootdroid... Jun 17 12:23:02 type su Jun 17 12:23:22 oh that easy... Jun 17 12:24:34 DocScrutinizer: if you got a ati card somewhere you can make money with it, with most newer cards more money than you spend on power Jun 17 12:24:56 at least for the next 8 days *shrug* Jun 17 12:25:30 whatever, support for multiboot and Mb related topics is really poor here, as everybody got fed up with it, and actually seems not that many users here that maybe are using nitdroid have a clue about how it works anyway Jun 17 12:25:35 DocScrutinizer, yeah that's the package, headset-control :\ Jun 17 12:51:31 docscrutinizer: yes, the wired headset broke Jun 17 12:52:41 chem|st: this "printing money" really results in EUR on my account at a proper bank? Jun 17 12:53:45 this just in: btc is dropping Jun 17 12:54:09 docscrutinizer, you should've been in here from about this time last year Jun 17 12:54:13 Hurrian: there are zillion headsets that are compatible, ~5€ in your Import/export shopee next street crossing Jun 17 12:54:29 bitcoins were worth $0.5 about this time last year Jun 17 12:54:40 they hit $26 recently and crashed Jun 17 12:55:02 went back up, and it's falling again Jun 17 12:55:41 so I still can mint binary money and actually get *real* money for it? Jun 17 12:55:46 yes! Jun 17 12:55:58 and it works a lot better with an AMD card Jun 17 12:56:09 sounds like a way to make a living - as weird as it is Jun 17 12:57:58 4chan's /g/ actually proved a few weeks ago that an i5 2500K + 6950 gaming rig can pay for itself in around 2-3 months Jun 17 12:58:28 the 6950 being a reference card and unlocked to become a 6970 Jun 17 12:58:49 mhm Jun 17 12:59:15 so the algo to mint bitcoins is FOSS? Jun 17 12:59:20 yeah Jun 17 12:59:32 it was actually forked to become namecoin Jun 17 12:59:34 bat-mad concept Jun 17 12:59:39 the latter didnt work out too well Jun 17 12:59:45 its very volatile though, as "paying for itself" is totally at the mercy of price changes, coupled with the fact that a lot more people are now mining a lot more because of the price changes, which in turn makes mining take much longer Jun 17 12:59:53 @nid0 : exactry Jun 17 13:00:17 dat block difficulty is going to keep on rising Jun 17 13:00:53 after the numerous troll "OMG ITS GONNA CRASH" threads, i panicked and sold it all Jun 17 13:00:57 and who's going to *buy* that bitcoin treasure for *real* money? And why? Jun 17 13:00:57 turns out, they were right Jun 17 13:01:14 @DocScrutinizer: people who think BTC is cool Jun 17 13:01:31 pointer? Jun 17 13:01:41 i used to think it was cool, when it was 0.20/USD, and bought a load Jun 17 13:01:43 it lacks liquidity and is a huge pyramid scheme Jun 17 13:01:47 DocScrutinizer: probably most people that actually want to spend it Jun 17 13:01:52 it's also an asset, not a currency Jun 17 13:01:54 I actually could use a source of income Jun 17 13:02:03 >>>mtgox and dwolla Jun 17 13:02:16 people who see bitcoin as a source of income mine it, people who see it as a currency to spend buy it Jun 17 13:02:27 mine, sell on mtgox, sell to dwolla and it goes to your bank Jun 17 13:02:41 and an economy based on deflation with a "currency cap" can never succeed because it encourages people to save their "money" instead of circulating it (like in inflation-based economies) Jun 17 13:02:43 pretty simple for people with monster computers and idle it all the time Jun 17 13:03:23 Choom: what now? inflation or deflation? Jun 17 13:03:25 imo, way more worth your time than seti@home Jun 17 13:03:49 DocScrutinizer: deflation encourages people to keep the money because it will only increase in value Jun 17 13:03:59 this is opposed to inflation, which encourages circulation Jun 17 13:04:00 https://mtgox.com/ Jun 17 13:04:04 scroll down Jun 17 13:04:11 said bubble is bursting Jun 17 13:04:21 Choom: yes Jun 17 13:04:53 aah, got your bracketed expression wrong Jun 17 13:06:15 the whole system is rigged to provide the early adopters with huge provit, which is why I personally call it a pyramid scheme Jun 17 13:06:19 sigh, need cheaper hard drives :< Jun 17 13:06:23 profit* Jun 17 13:06:30 @choom: spot on Jun 17 13:06:40 and i'm swimming in profit. Jun 17 13:06:46 but hey Jun 17 13:06:55 mining was made easier by gpu clients Jun 17 13:07:09 now that REALLY brought in the average people to start mining Jun 17 13:07:32 well, not unless theyre genuinely serious about it Jun 17 13:07:57 joe home user probably isnt going to want to sit next to the jet engine noise of his gpu fan running at max 24x7 Jun 17 13:08:46 seeing as 1 btc hit ~26$ recently (and fell, but that's beside the point), electricity being flat-rate for a lot of people, and mining pools making it easier Jun 17 13:08:53 it's pretty tempting Jun 17 13:09:08 if I wasnt bothered about things like being able to hear the tv, or myself think, id have probably been mining for a while with my 2 4870x2's Jun 17 13:11:24 personally, i'd advise not jumping in just yet - block difficulty is thru the roof, and you'd probably make more money treating btc as stocks Jun 17 13:11:37 uhh, i wouldn't do the last one Jun 17 13:12:08 wait until it's back to $20 Jun 17 13:14:05 can u recommend some good ebook reader who also open pdf files? Jun 17 13:15:14 juozapas : kindle/kindle dx + calibre to convert pdf's Jun 17 13:15:44 i mean soft for n900 :) Jun 17 13:16:09 PDF reader Jun 17 13:16:18 the built-in one Jun 17 13:16:44 it's the best one? Jun 17 13:16:48 yes. Jun 17 13:17:05 k :| Jun 17 13:17:08 thx Jun 17 13:17:09 put it in landscape mode, and use the stylus to scroll Jun 17 13:17:47 the combination for landscape mode? Jun 17 13:18:38 uhh, cssu i guess? Jun 17 13:18:49 idk, never a fan of landscape mode Jun 17 13:19:09 and reading tiny text on a small LCD screen is probably the worst way to do it Jun 17 13:23:13 ok i misunderstood between lanscape and portrait mode :) Jun 17 13:23:25 oh.. Jun 17 13:23:29 oh crap, sorry Jun 17 13:23:34 i meant portrait Jun 17 13:23:42 replace all landscape with portrait Jun 17 13:23:45 :) Jun 17 13:23:47 damn it's late Jun 17 13:23:52 night Jun 17 13:31:46 "Nokia Windows Phones will launch in six European nations first, Finland not among them" Jun 17 13:37:24 RST38h: ? Jun 17 13:37:55 Jaffa: ? Jun 17 14:10:39 RST38h: Wondered where you'd read about the WP phones launching not in Finland Jun 17 14:11:40 engadget probably Jun 17 14:57:41 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/17/nokia_ipcom/ <-- so patent trolling at it's finest Jun 17 15:06:25 another C++0x question Jun 17 15:06:54 when someone does something like std::vector {1, 2, 3}; how's {1, 2, 3} being passed to the vector? Jun 17 15:08:25 is it passed as an array to a copy ctor? is it relying on any kind of iterator to fill the vector? how does this work for std::vector? Jun 17 15:09:02 ok got it Jun 17 15:09:10 sheesh complicated :) Jun 17 15:09:13 thnx anyways Jun 17 15:09:58 my real question is, if I wanted to implement a container that accepted that kind of value list, what would I have to do in order to ensure that my container works correctly with it? Jun 17 15:11:12 oops Jun 17 15:11:14 ROFL Jun 17 15:11:16 wrong channel Jun 17 15:11:17 sorry Jun 17 15:11:23 was supposed to be in ##c++ Jun 17 15:26:50 Choom, OMG LOL WTF HAHAHA Jun 17 15:28:48 took me ages to realize Jun 17 15:29:18 by the way, for what it's worth, I don't think std::vector {1, 2, 3} is a valid c++0x line Jun 17 15:29:29 unless you std::vector v {1, 2, 3}? Jun 17 15:29:40 s/you/you meant/ Jun 17 15:29:40 crashanddie meant: unless you meant std::vector v {1, 2, 3}? Jun 17 15:29:54 it isn't, I missed the variable name Jun 17 15:30:11 doesn't matter, I've already asked the question in the right place Jun 17 15:31:07 (std::vector) {1, 2, 3}, however, would be a vaild C++0x expression Jun 17 15:32:26 but isn't that entirely different? Jun 17 15:32:52 no, it's the same thing actually, as far as my question was concerned Jun 17 15:33:07 I was asking about handling initializer lists Jun 17 15:34:22 and was told that I get passed an stdd::initializer_list to iterate through when that kind of initialization is used Jun 17 15:34:28 std* Jun 17 16:25:56 Sorry for all the relogging - I'm having ISP issues. Jun 17 16:26:19 Namely they're asshats that turned off my line accidentally, and won't turn it on again for 5 days, hence 3G. Jun 17 16:26:35 so not fun Jun 17 16:26:52 my ISP forgot to up my speed when we got a new contract Jun 17 16:26:59 so was on 13/1.5 for the last 6 months Jun 17 16:27:17 SpeedEvil: same thing happened to me recently Jun 17 16:27:42 but after I noticed they upped it immediately and sent they'll reduce next months costs by the difference Jun 17 16:27:59 SpeedEvil: I had two Cable Internet lines and Cable TV. I cancelled one of the internet lines and the tv, to leave me with one cable internet line (which I upgraded a whole heck of a lot) Jun 17 16:28:23 the guy came to my house when i wasn't home and just cut the entire line to the house and left Jun 17 16:28:55 i was lucky, i got home early that day and called them and bitched and they managed to send another guy out that evening, otherwise i would have had to wait 4 days (it was a holiday weekend) Jun 17 16:28:57 I had two DSL lines A and B on accounts a and b. Line A was better, so I arranged for them to swap account 'a' onto line B, then cease account b. Jun 17 16:29:08 sounds similar then, lol Jun 17 16:29:19 they don't handle "complicated" well Jun 17 16:29:26 heh Jun 17 16:29:48 yeah i used to run dual-WAN on two 12/1.5 cable lines Jun 17 16:30:00 Of course - they end up moving account a onto line B, and then ceasing both lines, as they'd left 'b''s record pointing at teh number that now had 'a' on. Jun 17 16:30:00 then they upgraded their whole network Jun 17 16:30:26 What really annoys me is that I mailed them asking to check it 10 days ago. Jun 17 16:30:27 Meh. Jun 17 16:30:29 so now i have a single 70/6 line Jun 17 16:31:02 wtf do you need 70 down? Jun 17 16:31:07 where I live, bandwidth is not an issue Jun 17 16:31:26 my average residential connection is a 120mbps/8mbps DOCSIS2 Jun 17 16:31:41 eurodocsis3 here Jun 17 16:31:49 and my ISP offers up to 1Gbps/1Gbps for those willing to pay for that Jun 17 16:32:16 Choom: i would totally get Gbit Jun 17 16:32:17 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 17 16:32:24 how much do they charge for that Jun 17 16:32:32 250EUR Jun 17 16:32:37 I have - when it's working - 3mbit/0.48 Jun 17 16:32:37 ack, lol Jun 17 16:32:40 might still be worth it Jun 17 16:32:55 my 70/6 costs $89.99 USD / month Jun 17 16:35:13 personally I don't really see the point to so much bandwidth Jun 17 16:35:20 same Jun 17 16:35:24 unless I actually intended to resell services Jun 17 16:35:24 more upload yes Jun 17 16:35:41 even the upstream, I'm perfectly fine with 8mbps Jun 17 16:36:23 you tend to find ways to use huge amounts of traffic when you have it Jun 17 16:36:30 the only places where I can actually take advantage of my average downstream re steam and battle.net Jun 17 16:36:31 I would - ideally - like to be able to stick on a blue-ray quality stream onto a large monitor as a 'window' Jun 17 16:36:49 "screw local backups, why not just mirror my entire machine in realtime to remote storage" Jun 17 16:37:03 nid0: And RAID with your friends. Jun 17 16:37:08 nid0: I no longer instal physical copies of games Jun 17 16:37:14 since steam is faster than my DVD drive Jun 17 16:37:55 so there's a use case for all the bandwidth that I have available, but I don't install games that often Jun 17 16:38:16 I prefer retail releases but then I play on PS3 Jun 17 16:38:29 simply because I can then sell off the game or lend it to a friend Jun 17 16:38:43 usually I buy from retail firsta and then from steam when it becomes cheap for the convenience alone Jun 17 16:39:04 there being no way to transfer licenses on steam does really irritate me Jun 17 16:39:27 i heavily use Steam <_< Jun 17 16:39:56 but also torrents are nice Jun 17 16:40:03 like, linux distros, of course :) Jun 17 16:40:08 brb Jun 17 16:40:26 * Choom is legit Jun 17 17:12:41 Why did Motorola steal the N900's keyboard look for the Droids. . . . Jun 17 17:15:25 they hope someone looking for n900 will accidentally buy droid Jun 17 17:15:49 android blows Jun 17 18:24:12 good afternoon Jun 17 18:45:47 evening gentlemen Jun 17 18:46:33 GeneralAntilles: i'm happy if ANYONE steals ANYTHING from ANYONE as long as it involves there being a physical keyboard on a smartphone >_> Jun 17 18:46:42 there are damn few enough as it is Jun 17 18:46:59 i'm really scared they will die off altogether Jun 17 18:47:11 blame steve jobs Jun 17 18:47:27 there are very few people hardcore enough (like us) to actually DEMAND a hardware keyboard Jun 17 18:47:42 mostly people either don't care, or "prefer one, but it's not a dealbreaker" Jun 17 18:47:43 T_T Jun 17 18:47:47 rm_work, not as few as you think Jun 17 18:48:01 i know ONE person IRL that is like me Jun 17 18:48:13 on forum nokia's voting, 1/3 people preferred touchscreen+qwerty Jun 17 18:48:15 only three people who actually have hardware keyboards Jun 17 18:48:30 Venemo_N900: and how many that "didn't care"?> Jun 17 18:50:08 other 1/3 preferred touchscreen only Jun 17 18:50:25 and the rest preferred the traditional number keys Jun 17 18:53:27 rm_work, ^ Jun 17 18:53:55 rofl Jun 17 18:54:05 the problem is Jun 17 18:54:36 the people who preferred "touchscreen+qwerty", if they were given a REALLY cool phone, but it was lacking a keyboard, they would prolly just say "eh, i'll deal with touchscreen only" Jun 17 18:55:12 i *will not* use a phone without a hardware keyboard :/ Jun 17 18:57:24 rm_work: Indeed. Look at the number of 4:3 screens on the market. Jun 17 18:57:29 Though many people prefer them Jun 17 18:57:44 T_T Jun 17 18:57:47 makes me sad Jun 17 18:57:49 anyway brb meeting Jun 17 19:05:01 hi Jun 17 19:05:12 hi Jun 17 19:05:14 i've got trouble compiling kernel power Jun 17 19:05:23 can anybody help please Jun 17 19:05:56 uh nvm Jun 17 19:15:38 admiral0, what is the issue? Jun 17 19:17:05 Venemo_N900: o/ Jun 17 19:18:34 yo DocScrutinizer Jun 17 19:18:42 how're you these days? Jun 17 19:18:56 hi Jun 17 19:19:05 no i had problem with make menuconfig Jun 17 19:19:09 i solved Jun 17 19:19:20 by redownloading sourc Jun 17 19:19:31 but cannot find source for ecryptfs Jun 17 19:19:39 so ... Jun 17 19:19:52 no i'm trying to port zsh Jun 17 19:20:32 optify it Jun 17 19:21:03 by rebuilding the kernel??? Jun 17 19:21:56 no Jun 17 19:22:06 ok admiral0 :) Jun 17 19:22:13 i needed kernel to see its make menuconfig Jun 17 19:22:21 ecryptfs is not there :P Jun 17 19:26:34 n900 community is kinda stopped Jun 17 19:26:37 :( Jun 17 19:27:36 why is that? Jun 17 19:27:51 i see some projects stopped Jun 17 19:28:38 like bluemaemo Jun 17 19:28:50 it doesn't even install :\ Jun 17 19:29:06 there's a fix for that, its noted on t.m.o Jun 17 19:29:31 psycho_oreos: could you please link? Jun 17 19:29:48 * admiral0 = rage Jun 17 19:30:13 debs...Y U NO USE rpm | pkg.tar.xz Jun 17 19:32:41 admiral0, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=950932#post950932 Jun 17 19:32:51 psycho_oreos: thanks Jun 17 19:35:29 javispedro, isn't it disgusting how the industry and consumers follow lock-step with whatever Apple comes up with? Jun 17 19:35:39 How is it that they're the only company that seems to be able to make people want things. Jun 17 19:36:00 you're asking me? =) Jun 17 19:36:38 Note that Nokia _used_ to be able to do that in Europe Jun 17 19:37:14 oh dammit Jun 17 19:37:25 (I am impressed how they could sell s60 crap the same way I'm impressed how Apple can sell capacitive crap...) Jun 17 19:37:32 i'm tarballing it and putting on t.m.o Jun 17 19:37:32 (my apologies to s60 fans... ;) ) Jun 17 19:38:00 javispedro++ Jun 17 19:38:12 javispedro: are there any still alive? Jun 17 19:38:53 Arkenoi: definitely, and quite importantly: a large segment of the late adopters are s60 fans. Jun 17 19:39:13 (at least from my limited regional PoV) Jun 17 19:39:21 Now resistive is somehow "Bad" (see Wii U commentary) Jun 17 19:39:42 * GeneralAntilles came from Newton. Jun 17 19:39:45 ah, i've seen some on local forums, thought it is russian native craze Jun 17 19:39:47 How's that for a small demographic? Jun 17 19:40:14 "n8 is a great phone because it is better than 5800xm, and e7 is a great phone because it is way better than n97" Jun 17 19:40:39 not even a single person who never owned a symbian phone before Jun 17 19:40:43 dinosaurs Jun 17 19:40:53 dead end of evolution Jun 17 19:41:30 GeneralAntilles: note they also used the "cheap" keyword. When these days its probably the opposite.. Jun 17 19:42:08 Wee, economies of scale! Jun 17 19:43:58 I just wish somebody would ship Stantum Jun 17 19:44:00 what enrages me is that Apple, in their infinite wisdom, when spamming me about how an iPad could help me with my postgrad (how the hell do they know??), show an screenshot of someone's notes on a iPad -- pencil notes. Jun 17 19:44:01 That would make me happy. Jun 17 19:44:13 Hehe Jun 17 19:45:23 * Arkenoi wants a perfect note taking gadget. "perfect" implies having a physical keyboard for me, so tablets do not fit. Jun 17 19:45:38 the fact that noone shipped stantum yet probably tells something Jun 17 19:45:39 i mean "pda tablets" Jun 17 19:45:48 "notebook tablets" just suck Jun 17 19:45:49 either überexpensive or potentially not as perfect as it seems Jun 17 19:46:03 Well, bad timing would be my guess. Jun 17 19:46:23 Apple had already convinced everybody it was capacitive or die by the time it got close to market ready. Jun 17 19:46:31 I suspect it isn't cheap, either. Jun 17 19:46:34 But still Jun 17 19:47:12 * GeneralAntilles sighs at resume bugs. Jun 17 19:47:16 I ponder why Stantum does not have a list of friggin devices, I mean, someone must be using it. Jun 17 19:47:45 ah, and it should be resistive, drawing anything on a capacitive screen is sad juke Jun 17 19:47:47 joke Jun 17 19:48:09 http://www.stantum.com/touchpoint/issue7/take_the_floor Jun 17 19:48:20 Tuesday Jun 17 19:48:46 one things for sure on tuesday: it will be capacitive =) Jun 17 19:49:46 Yes. Jun 17 19:50:07 heh Jun 17 19:50:10 according to stantum Jun 17 19:50:14 intel one has stantum tablet Jun 17 19:50:19 "quanta redvale" running meego Jun 17 19:51:27 mmmm... old news seemingly ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU ) Jun 17 19:52:11 wow #maemo-dev is really cooking eh? NOT Jun 17 19:52:25 What else do you expect? Jun 17 19:52:32 The platform's on its way out. Jun 17 19:52:37 some ppl in there to ask dev questions of : Jun 17 19:52:55 i think its just beginning to rock now nokia have left it alone :) Jun 17 19:54:43 MoonTiger, #maemo is totally sufficient for that Jun 17 19:54:55 ok cool :) Jun 17 20:15:59 helloooo Jun 17 20:44:32 hi :) Jun 17 20:46:28 is anybody home? Jun 17 20:47:20 sure Jun 17 20:48:08 can i assume sqlite is available to an app im writing? Jun 17 20:50:33 yes Jun 17 20:50:46 mp-fremantle-pr depends on it Jun 17 20:51:10 mp-fremantle-generic-pr Jun 17 20:52:40 adding it to the depends list wont be bad anyways .. just in case someone ports the package to some other os Jun 17 20:54:42 ok Jun 17 20:54:52 im writing if for desktop gtk & maemo Jun 17 20:55:00 so i will add a dependency Jun 17 20:55:09 thnx :) Jun 17 22:52:20 did we bitch about KDE4 lately? Just a related comment: it's really really great when plasma-desktop silently dies >:-( Jun 17 22:52:53 * ShadowJK stopped using kde when kde4 came Jun 17 22:53:02 KDE is awesome Jun 17 22:53:09 xfce :) Jun 17 22:53:11 been using xfce since, and despite its memory leaks it hasn't pissed me off as much as kde did yet :P Jun 17 22:53:13 except for window management, works worse than gnome Jun 17 22:53:29 MohammadAG, u seem to be a bit of a maemo fundi from what i read around the net Jun 17 22:53:30 KDE<=4.3.1 is definitely POS Jun 17 22:53:32 all I can say, may Unity die in peace, at least for desktops Jun 17 22:53:41 fundi? :P Jun 17 22:53:54 btw, is +44 a UK area code? Jun 17 22:53:57 ahhhhh south african expression ... ninja / guru / etc Jun 17 22:54:00 cba to look it up :P Jun 17 22:54:03 44 = uk Jun 17 22:54:04 uk or se Jun 17 22:54:52 do you know how to get the signond daemon running on sbox? Jun 17 22:55:02 not 'a' areacode, THE countrycode Jun 17 22:55:25 unless I'm mistaken and it's 43 or sth Jun 17 22:55:50 43? Jun 17 22:55:53 the uk is 44 Jun 17 22:56:47 * MohammadAG wonders who called, don't think anyone from there has my number Jun 17 22:57:09 to get an app auto-rotating with the accelerometer is there anything special i have to do? Jun 17 22:57:22 Qt? Jun 17 22:57:27 im assuming 2 layouts are reqd Jun 17 22:57:37 no c & gtk Jun 17 22:57:42 hildon flags Jun 17 22:57:46 ok Jun 17 22:57:49 sec Jun 17 22:58:33 hildon_gtk_window_set_portrait_flags (GTK_WINDOW(someGtkWidget), HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT) Jun 17 22:58:50 or pass a GtkWindow if you have one Jun 17 22:59:06 GtkWindow* actually Jun 17 22:59:14 ok so i can listen for the signal and then rotate the window myself? Jun 17 22:59:22 why? Jun 17 22:59:34 oh ... just set the flags and it happens? Jun 17 22:59:40 yeah Jun 17 22:59:55 if you want to do some changes while it's rotating listen for sizeChanged() by GdkWindow Jun 17 22:59:56 neat ... and i assume there is a specific layout for portrait it looks for? Jun 17 23:00:22 or do the widgets just resize? Jun 17 23:00:50 on android there a diff layouts for diff orientations and sizes Jun 17 23:00:54 I found an N900 on ebay that say NIB? what is that? Jun 17 23:01:44 https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-applet-display/blobs/master/src/cpdisplay.c#line198 Jun 17 23:01:48 http://www.acronymfinder.com/NIB.html "new in box"? Jun 17 23:02:05 do i have to set the flags on *all* widgets that need to rotate or will the children go with the owner? Jun 17 23:02:11 "No International Bidders (eBay)" Jun 17 23:02:32 ohh, thatnk ShadowJK Jun 17 23:02:41 andway, for the hw hackers: new:URL, bare PCB - and thumbnails missing though they are there ?!??!? (HELP!) http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ Jun 17 23:03:08 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ works Jun 17 23:03:18 can somebody help me out? Jun 17 23:03:30 MohammadAG, thnx :) Jun 17 23:03:34 so, is a less than $100 NIB N900 a real thing?! Jun 17 23:03:54 smhar, maybe they meant no international bidders Jun 17 23:03:54 i'll prolly be pestering you again in the future if thats ok :) Jun 17 23:03:58 instead of new in box Jun 17 23:04:48 nite all Jun 17 23:07:05 or do the widgets just resize? Jun 17 23:07:06 on android there a diff layouts for diff orientations and sizes Jun 17 23:07:16 they just resize, unless you rearrange them manually Jun 17 23:07:32 for example in my open media player I changed the layout direction from right to left to up to down Jun 17 23:07:36 I have a US mailing address with aramex so I should be ok, right? Jun 17 23:08:03 hmmpf nevermind, in FF it shows correctly. Seems Konqui's cache is poisoned Jun 17 23:08:32 KDE's browsers are kinda shitty Jun 17 23:08:46 but that does not answer my question: is a less than $100 new N900 a real thing? Jun 17 23:08:51 * fusi[n900] thwacks bme round the head with a burning railway sleeper Jun 17 23:09:40 smhar, no it's not Jun 17 23:09:49 new ones are still at around 500 Jun 17 23:10:36 ShadowJK, so I should be worried? Jun 17 23:10:38 konqueror is mostly nice, but has a few bugs and shitty JS support (or correct JS support while FF tries to deal with buggy code) Jun 17 23:11:23 smhar, yes Jun 17 23:12:31 ShadowJK, I found 3 in ebay that they are 'now' at around $100 from 'top sellers' ! Jun 17 23:14:04 fusi[n900]: eh? Jun 17 23:16:14 If it's "top seller" I'd worry about getting a N900 fake Jun 17 23:16:41 could you paste link to one of them? Jun 17 23:16:44 demobarebone :D Jun 17 23:17:48 100$? definitely fake Jun 17 23:18:37 smhar: link? Jun 17 23:39:49 ~seen user0 Jun 17 23:39:58 user0 <~user@unaffiliated/user0> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 2h 17m 50s ago, saying: 'didnt ask for any lockcode after that '. Jun 17 23:41:31 I'm still wondering what's been odd with user0's lockcode Jun 17 23:41:58 also I can't parse his last 4 lines comment correctly Jun 17 23:45:12 [2011-06-16 23:18:27] had some old firmware on it but wasnt asking for any lockcode at boot || so i got the code, it was something like 63856385, as in not the default one || i changed it and reflashed || the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it || didnt ask for any lockcode after that Jun 17 23:46:57 wtf Jun 17 23:47:12 it's too late to try to decipher this Jun 17 23:47:23 <@all>: MohammadAG: ShadowJK: ^^^does this mean reflashing still didn't unlock for user0? did he a full flash (incl eMMC)? where's that weird lockcode from? And did device stop to ask for lockcode after one-time-unlock after reflash?? o.O Jun 17 23:48:01 nfi Jun 17 23:48:56 ShadowJK: yeah, I hate it when users cripple their posts, by leaving out nouns etc, to a point of complete uselessness Jun 17 23:49:16 So I think it was not fixed by flash Jun 17 23:49:56 I think this report doesn't tell us *anything*, other than we need to test for ourselves Jun 17 23:50:23 he found out the code, reflashed, had to enter it again, then it no longer asked for it Jun 17 23:51:18 that's odd in several ways: where from did he find out about that code? why did device stop to ask for it after one-time unlock Jun 17 23:51:41 dont ask me :) Jun 17 23:51:51 sure Jun 17 23:52:14 I'm sure his device is f'd in some way Jun 17 23:52:22 either it always asks for it, or it doesn't ask at all Jun 17 23:52:42 I just can't believe nobody here was happening to flash his device since yesterday, so he could have properly tested Jun 17 23:53:23 MohammadAG: I'd even unclear if it's the same device he got back with lockcode on a notice, or he got a replacement Jun 17 23:53:45 s/I'd/it's/ Jun 17 23:53:45 DocScrutinizer meant: MohammadAG: it's even unclear if it's the same device he got back with lockcode on a notice, or he got a replacement Jun 17 23:54:31 or he bruteforced the code like mentioned in that post? Jun 17 23:56:17 join #reddit Jun 17 23:56:24 woops Jun 17 23:59:49 yeah, john'ed it probably Jun 18 00:00:46 MohammadAG: you're the venturous brave one, can't you *test* this lockcode shit? Jun 18 00:02:06 oooh Jun 18 00:02:56 anybody knows of any app that's messing with CAL? E.G for switching regulatory settings of WiFi, whatever? Jun 18 00:10:53 DocScrutinizer, way too much crap to do after reflashing Jun 18 00:11:08 oh and have fun http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37915 Jun 18 00:12:01 o.O Jun 18 00:13:36 MohammadAG: ??? Jun 18 00:15:19 MohammadAG: which fun? what's with that link, what's with CAL? Jun 18 00:16:05 isnt that where the code hash is stored? Jun 18 00:16:46 I'm not assuming this tool that obviously doesn't even ship binary will cause CAL corruption frequently, for 'normal' users Jun 18 00:17:02 nox-: sure Jun 18 00:17:58 so you'd just have to overwrite it like any other pw reset tool... Jun 18 00:18:05 correct? Jun 18 00:18:05 but I still fail to see how that tool is related to code hash resetting by flashing Jun 18 00:18:34 well the source could be adapted maybe Jun 18 00:18:44 to do what? Jun 18 00:18:49 reset the hash Jun 18 00:18:59 the lock code isn't reset by reflashing Jun 18 00:19:00 why would anybody want to do that? Jun 18 00:19:07 only the gconf key that causes the lock dialog to show up Jun 18 00:19:43 DocScrutinizer, lost code? Jun 18 00:20:37 you could use that tool (or any other similar one) only if you have access to system. But then you as well can recover the code, and alter it via normal settings panel in maemo Jun 18 00:21:20 sure its only 4 or 5 digits so you can bruteforce it.. Jun 18 00:21:34 so not that useful in this case, ok Jun 18 00:22:07 there's john and I'd not exactly call that brute force Jun 18 00:22:23 if you get it wrong 5 times it automatically converts your keyboard layout to dvorak, so even if you get back in you cannot type anything. Jun 18 00:22:40 uhuh Jun 18 00:22:46 haha really? Jun 18 00:23:02 no, but that is what I would do if I had written the system Jun 18 00:23:11 :) Jun 18 00:23:37 what a nonsense Jun 18 00:24:19 one handed dvorak Jun 18 00:24:36 if its not bruteforce does that mean the hash is weak? Jun 18 00:24:41 lol dvorak numerals Jun 18 00:24:52 nox-: yes, seems so Jun 18 00:24:55 i think the salt is known.. Jun 18 00:24:57 oh Jun 18 00:25:27 well not that it matters much with 5 digits... Jun 18 00:25:36 exactly Jun 18 00:27:16 damn, 2 devices and none has a standard 1.3 rootfs so I could test reflashing Jun 18 00:30:25 ugh Jun 18 00:31:04 all the white housings for the n900 dont include a white keyboard/a white keyboard with Nokia Sans and the back of the slider thing Jun 18 00:31:50 ... what... Jun 18 00:31:54 white... housings? Jun 18 00:32:04 o_O Jun 18 00:32:38 got tired of looking at a black n900 Jun 18 00:32:59 i'd like to have a green and white one, instead of a blue and black one Jun 18 00:33:44 ...but then i'd have to color-invert hildon-theme-alpha D: Jun 18 00:34:36 and i noticed, no one has a white thing around the screen Jun 18 00:34:57 uhh... "touch window assembly" Jun 18 00:35:27 * lcuk plays at being a weather man Jun 18 00:35:42 * Hurrian looks at the service manual Jun 18 00:35:54 oh, wait, that was the digitizer? Jun 18 00:35:54 lcuk: With or without the large map floating in the ocean? Jun 18 00:35:57 no wonder Jun 18 00:36:45 with Jun 18 00:47:40 we need an initrd that shows you the hashed code Jun 18 00:48:21 basically, something that does echo $(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1 | tail -1) Jun 18 01:02:50 OK, I'm bored with lulsec Jun 18 01:04:57 GeneralAntilles, which bit Jun 18 01:05:03 All of it. Jun 18 01:09:26 hey there Jun 18 01:09:38 i fixed my usb problem Jun 18 01:10:33 by buying another n900 so now i can charge! Jun 18 01:11:19 anyone in usa interested in n900 broken usb broken screen cheap Jun 18 01:12:06 how did the screen break.. Jun 18 01:12:39 dropped it Jun 18 01:13:09 and the usb at the same time? Jun 18 01:14:34 no usb couple months before Jun 18 01:14:51 ah Jun 18 01:15:08 interested? Jun 18 01:15:49 No :) Jun 18 01:16:06 * ShadowJK actually has a spare N900 in his drawer Jun 18 01:16:13 lol Jun 18 01:16:36 6230, 6820, E70, E75, N800, N810, N900, N900 :) Jun 18 01:16:59 crap, when I line it up on a single line like htat I've wasted shitloads of money on Nokia :s Jun 18 01:17:20 Not counting the stock right before elop said stupid shit :D Jun 18 01:18:52 >not using the spare n900 as a nettop with HEN, the TV-Out cable and a USB hub Jun 18 01:18:55 also Jun 18 01:19:50 I already have a netbook, I switched it on today first time in 5 weeks Jun 18 01:19:59 to watch the live broadcast of hurtigruten Jun 18 01:20:21 3210 > 6170 > 6600 > N70 > N95 > N900 Jun 18 01:20:39 (Live TV broadcast of a 5-day journey by shp from middle of norway to northernmost easternmost norway, stopping at every fjord) Jun 18 01:20:47 * nox- zaurus -> n900 Jun 18 01:20:53 I had a 3210 too, it developed weird fault Jun 18 01:21:16 Everything on it was half speed, and sometimes it missed calls. Snake was easy at half speed, though. :-) Jun 18 01:21:51 shadowjk, my 3210 still works, i just need to find a new battery for it Jun 18 01:22:00 I put it in one of those Nokia postage prepaid recyling envelopers. Back when they did that kind of stuff. Jun 18 01:22:02 the thing's bloated already ): Jun 18 01:22:23 not going to start ;-) Jun 18 01:22:30 I used my 3210 battery to power a discman.The battery got bloated :-) Jun 18 01:23:00 oh, i used to have a discman in my old corolla Jun 18 01:23:05 dat amber light Jun 18 01:23:08 that nostalgia Jun 18 01:23:21 dds gave tape a bad name... Jun 18 01:23:30 :) Jun 18 01:23:42 dds? Jun 18 01:23:56 `dat' streamers Jun 18 01:24:17 the scoopman NT class? Jun 18 01:24:20 where one drive oven couldnt read the tapes from another, etc Jun 18 01:24:22 You know, when people play C casette in cars today, and the tape has been warped by decade of hot car and sun exposure, and you can just about make out stuff <1000hz, I'm glad CDs came Jun 18 01:24:31 s/oven/often/ Jun 18 01:24:31 nox- meant: where one drive often couldnt read the tapes from another, etc Jun 18 01:25:15 (.fi tax policy makes sure nobody can afford car newer than 10yrs old) Jun 18 01:25:32 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Digital_Data_Storage Jun 18 01:26:13 http://www.praktiker.at/download/lepau604.pdf thought you talk about that one Jun 18 01:26:15 :-) Jun 18 01:26:24 I still love it Jun 18 01:27:00 heh Jun 18 01:27:13 not sure i remember that thing :) Jun 18 01:27:24 awesome Jun 18 01:27:45 non-tracking helical recording "DAT" Jun 18 01:28:17 helical? Jun 18 01:28:24 is that vaguely like vhs Jun 18 01:28:27 I.E. you "overscan" by rotation head drum too fast, then reassemble the snippets in RAM Jun 18 01:28:27 yep Jun 18 01:28:40 heh Jun 18 01:29:51 took it with me 24/7 for like 5 years Jun 18 01:29:57 wow Jun 18 01:30:13 for music? Jun 18 01:30:19 sure Jun 18 01:30:35 was it `shockproof'? Jun 18 01:30:41 mostly Jun 18 01:30:45 ah Jun 18 01:31:04 it had no dropouts if that's what you mean Jun 18 01:31:09 yeah Jun 18 01:31:12 did no droptests Jun 18 01:31:17 :) Jun 18 01:32:12 my first (non-analog) tape drive was a qic525, installed freebsd 2.0.5 off it... :) Jun 18 01:32:17 I've been so scared by the service manual that I actually never dared to disassemble the device ;-P Jun 18 01:32:54 flexible PCB 5 times folded, or somesuch :-o Jun 18 01:33:03 ouch Jun 18 01:36:31 so like Jun 18 01:36:34 out of curiosity Jun 18 01:36:49 why *wouldn't* an android chroot work Jun 18 01:37:21 different kernel? Jun 18 01:37:44 chroot doesn't depend on kernel versions Jun 18 01:38:01 userland might Jun 18 01:38:51 what libraries would depend on a certain kernel version and why, though Jun 18 01:39:14 i dont know android, i only know its `different' Jun 18 01:39:43 so might depend on kernel customizations etc Jun 18 01:39:54 I don't either, but I know it's semi-linux and could probably run in a chrooted environment Jun 18 01:40:00 but i dont know why nobody has tried it Jun 18 01:40:41 are there a great deal of linux kernel patches to android? Jun 18 01:41:44 * nox- waits for someone that knows android to speak up :) Jun 18 01:41:59 maybe i should just extract a nitdroid image and see how it works Jun 18 02:03:19 you could as well try to run windows apps under linux Jun 18 02:04:20 a chroot doesn't offer a new kernel API Jun 18 02:04:39 Well.. Jun 18 02:04:51 hello I have my 1st infinite reboot loop, I'm trying to reflash with no success, with 'sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f' + hit 'u' key on n900 and plugin into computer via usb Jun 18 02:05:06 any advice Jun 18 02:05:23 If N900 had like 4 gigs memory, I'd be all for it Jun 18 02:05:23 ~flashing Jun 18 02:05:24 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 18 02:05:35 yes yes I've followed that Jun 18 02:05:54 But, as N900 only has 256M, any extra framework/library/etc is just creating more of a slowdown ... Jun 18 02:06:33 yo Jun 18 02:07:12 yigal: does device still bootloop when you plug it to arbitrary PC with 'U' held down? Jun 18 02:07:16 yigal, Disconnect everything. Remove battery. Disconnect everything. Start flasher on computer. Disconnect everything. Connect N900 to computer. Press u. Insert battery. Jun 18 02:07:32 ShadowJK: that's *all* in ~flashing Jun 18 02:07:40 DocScrutinizer: yes Jun 18 02:07:52 DocScrutinizer, sometimes you need condensed version :-) Jun 18 02:07:57 recharge battery externally (also in flashing!) Jun 18 02:08:05 yigal, do you have a dmm? Jun 18 02:08:25 ShadowJK: not on me Jun 18 02:08:36 ShadowJK: hopefully it won't come to this, but ok Jun 18 02:08:47 I'll try it again a few more time Jun 18 02:08:49 s Jun 18 02:08:56 you don't need any: when still bootlooping thats a clear indication of bat too low Jun 18 02:09:10 DocScrutinizer: yes, of course it is! Jun 18 02:09:11 ok Jun 18 02:09:22 DocScrutinizer: thank you Jun 18 02:09:39 device doesn't charge bat when bootlooping (also in ~flashing!) Jun 18 02:09:45 yigal, well, it is known that N900 with insufficient (read: <70%) battery charge will refuse to accept flashing.. also it is known that flashing from 64bit windows rarely succeeds Jun 18 02:10:09 ShadowJK: just 11.04 Ubuntu at the moment Jun 18 02:10:13 So, that's why I asked about dmm, because that'd give us a reading of battery state :-) Jun 18 02:10:28 DocScrutinizer: so how do I charge it, do I need to purchase an external charger? Jun 18 02:10:28 ShadowJK: useless Jun 18 02:10:36 ShadowJK: ah Jun 18 02:10:53 ShadowJK: there's exactly one cause for device looping with 'U' held down Jun 18 02:11:08 yigal: yes Jun 18 02:11:17 DocScrutinizer: darn it Jun 18 02:11:22 Consumer reply: yes Jun 18 02:11:34 hacker reply: give it 4V Jun 18 02:11:43 ShadowJK: :D Jun 18 02:11:51 yoyoyo Jun 18 02:11:58 happy fireworks Jun 18 02:12:08 sensible reply: stop fucking around with shit you don't fucking understand and get properly charged battery Jun 18 02:12:17 :) Jun 18 02:12:20 hacker!= electronics clue Jun 18 02:12:22 as DocScrutinizer hints above :) Jun 18 02:12:29 Yeah... Jun 18 02:13:11 I have an MS in physics, not an EE but I'm comfortable around electronics Jun 18 02:13:30 the key her is the err whole sentence: you as well can get a spare battery Jun 18 02:13:44 they usually are good enough for flashing Jun 18 02:13:58 essentially as external battery + charger costs about $15 Jun 18 02:13:59 ya it's all a matter of waiting the few days I will need to, to get a working phone Jun 18 02:14:12 yigal: then charge with ~5V and current limited to max 1A Jun 18 02:14:21 old nokia chargers are cool for that Jun 18 02:14:23 DocScrutinizer: ok Jun 18 02:14:30 thanks both of you Jun 18 02:14:35 do so for max 10min - ATTENDED Jun 18 02:14:44 ok Jun 18 02:14:59 then test voltage or try 'U' test Jun 18 02:15:18 if it needs another charge cycle, give it another 10 min Jun 18 02:15:30 yigal, MS in physics basically ensures that on a theoretical basis you might be able to explain why my transistor exploded... But, it also ensures that you have no good measuing equipment, and no good powersupply equipment, and 0 experience with real life issues (becuse nothing behaves like the ideal model) :-) Jun 18 02:15:32 all on your own peril Jun 18 02:16:11 ShadowJK: well now at least I know what you think of us physicists Jun 18 02:16:13 :D Jun 18 02:16:21 DocScrutinizer: understood ;) Jun 18 02:16:22 yigal, you physicists are awesome Jun 18 02:16:55 conecting one of those 4.8V@600mA nokia chargers with barrel plug to battery is simple enough for an MS phy ;-P Jun 18 02:17:02 ok well to prove you wrong I'm going to now bake my french bread, something not theoretical Jun 18 02:17:12 DocScrutinizer: :P Jun 18 02:17:25 yigal, but clearly, you are an intelligent person Jun 18 02:17:31 lol Jun 18 02:17:40 ShadowJK: why do you say that? Jun 18 02:17:58 we are good in sensing that ;-) Jun 18 02:18:25 :D, thanks guys Jun 18 02:18:29 yigal: good luck! Jun 18 02:18:43 So, us EE can, if you want, go out of a limb, and provide alternate charging methods, if you are willing to take some risk, to reach your goal quicker :P Jun 18 02:19:06 * ShadowJK disqualifies himself from ee Jun 18 02:19:41 * DocScrutinizer hands ShadowJK a for-the-honor EE cert Jun 18 02:24:42 I saw that top-gear episode with rocket scientists, physicists and whatever Jun 18 02:25:39 They're all highly intelligent people, but I'd want to give them personal realtime guidance if they were to touch any real life potentially dangerous equipment :-) Jun 18 02:25:49 ah nothing like a freshly made french bread Jun 18 02:26:38 ok time to make stuff explode, have a great weekend, talk to you in a day or two - if I haven't blown myself up :D Jun 18 02:26:46 :( Jun 18 02:29:35 hehe Jun 18 02:32:41 DocScrutinizer, yeah i never realized how different android's filesystem is to regular linux installs Jun 18 02:32:56 its linker is especially different Jun 18 02:33:05 making a chroot on linux useless **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 18 02:59:56 2011