**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 20 02:59:57 2011 Jun 20 03:58:42 yo Jun 20 03:58:58 strings missing, binutils not installed Jun 20 03:59:08 * DocScrutinizer curses apt Jun 20 03:59:47 You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Jun 20 03:59:49 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jun 20 03:59:50 hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost Jun 20 04:00:16 After this operation, 77,8kB of additional disk space will be used. Jun 20 04:00:18 E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. Jun 20 04:00:56 fsckng python eating ~50MB of my rootspace Jun 20 04:01:06 nfc why Jun 20 04:04:44 not really, those friggin bindmounts are virtually invisible Jun 20 04:09:57 DS: pymaemo-optify? Jun 20 04:10:31 [2011-06-20 05:58:24] E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. Jun 20 04:10:55 D: Jun 20 04:10:58 df -h / Jun 20 04:11:05 158728 /usr/lib Jun 20 04:11:07 272416 /usr Jun 20 04:11:26 mkdir ~/tempshit Jun 20 04:11:27 df -xk|sort -n Jun 20 04:11:44 # mount -o bind /var/cache/apt/archives /home/user/tempshit Jun 20 04:12:32 which reminds me, i have a ton of mountpoints on my desktop system Jun 20 04:12:44 i'm going to roll it all back into a large ext4 one of these days Jun 20 04:12:54 * DocScrutinizer wants to shoot hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost with a huuuuge gun Jun 20 04:13:14 >kernel-feature-usbhost Jun 20 04:13:25 add it to the provides of a kernel package then Jun 20 04:13:34 yeah hahaha Jun 20 04:14:13 alas I have a kernel installed that does *not* provide this crap. I'm not as convinced of this little sucker as I've been before Jun 20 04:15:13 can't I tell apt to ignore this shit? Jun 20 04:15:20 --force ? Jun 20 04:15:37 seems doesn't really help Jun 20 04:16:15 wget the deb, dpkg -i --force-all package.deb Jun 20 04:16:41 nah, the problem is I already *have* the package Jun 20 04:16:42 brb Jun 20 04:32:04 worst hogs not even tackled: microb and locale Jun 20 04:32:11 22236 /usr/lib/microb-engine Jun 20 04:32:33 14200 /usr/share/microb-engine Jun 20 04:32:56 29068 /usr/lib/locale Jun 20 04:33:27 makes for >60MB in my book Jun 20 04:34:44 hell, my first linux system had a HDD of less than that size Jun 20 04:35:49 (not been a high end box back when) Jun 20 04:36:42 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly why microb can't get properly optified Jun 20 05:47:00 hi, is there anybody run python game, pygame? Jun 20 06:18:57 Is nokia N9 announced yet? Jun 20 06:19:34 from what I can tell supposedly the announce should ahppen tomorrow Jun 20 06:19:44 Nokia to announce a "market disrupting device” the "N9" on 21,June Jun 20 06:21:23 Doh Jun 20 06:21:29 Early tomorrow? Jun 20 06:21:40 I am like a junkie for N9, I just have to have it Jun 20 06:21:50 that and asus eee pad transformer Jun 20 06:22:56 ruskie: Think it will be decent? Jun 20 06:22:58 * dm8tbr wonders how a maemo device is supposed to be a market disruption... Jun 20 06:25:27 dm8tbr: Maybe so crap that people will stop using phones alltogether Jun 20 06:29:00 hi all.. i have an n900 and this is my problem. i have a wireless ad hoc on the computer sharing an internet connection. my n900 connects to this network, however internet isn't there.. by that i mean that when i open the browser, it says microb cannoot connect to the server.. HELP! Jun 20 06:34:14 lolcat, wouldn't know... I plan on getting it on contract from the cellco Jun 20 06:35:56 hi all.. i have an n900 and this is my problem. i have a wireless ad hoc on the computer sharing an internet connection. my n900 connects to this network, however internet isn't there.. by that i mean that when i open the browser, it says microb cannoot connect to the server.. HELP! Jun 20 06:38:39 annoying like every junkie ;-) Jun 20 06:39:57 nok_fan: Don't repeat Jun 20 06:40:06 ruskie: So you will get it Jun 20 06:40:42 lolcat: when am i likely to get a reply? Jun 20 06:40:47 nok_fan: problem of you rPC config Jun 20 06:41:10 nok_fan: Somewhere around 5th of August Jun 20 06:41:12 ~ask Jun 20 06:41:12 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jun 20 06:41:18 ~question Jun 20 06:41:19 question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jun 20 06:43:16 DocScrutinizer how do i go about changing my rPC config Jun 20 06:43:17 nok_fan: have you tried this internet-sharing with any other wireless client device? Jun 20 06:43:41 lolcat, yup I will Jun 20 06:43:49 no i haven't.. it has worked before. bu tit's not working now Jun 20 06:43:50 lolcat, not sure if I will use it though Jun 20 06:43:52 *but it Jun 20 06:44:25 nok_fan: sorry, no idea. Depends on what's your PC's OS. I assume that'S windows, and I guess there are not that many users here that can help on that Jun 20 06:44:30 infobot: I am here by force Jun 20 06:44:30 it is my pleasure to meet you, here by force Jun 20 06:44:38 nok_fan: have you tried connecting to an IP? Jun 20 06:45:09 DocScrutinizer: yes it's windows 7. Jun 20 06:45:16 gomiam: no i haven't Jun 20 06:45:28 damn, why did I know? ;-D Jun 20 06:45:33 instead of connecting to, for example, http://www.rediris.es/, try to connect to http:/130.206.1.46/ Jun 20 06:45:51 ouch Jun 20 06:45:57 http://130.206.1.46/ Jun 20 06:46:20 ok Jun 20 06:46:46 if it connects then you have a name resolution problem. If it doesn't it is probably a routing problem Jun 20 06:46:53 * DocScrutinizer starts to charge his special avahi gun Jun 20 06:47:03 (all this under the assumption you are getting a valid IP) Jun 20 06:47:32 which is just another question for ad-hoc Jun 20 06:47:37 nok_fan: I guess you have your PC set to Internet Connection Sharing, right? Jun 20 06:47:59 yes Jun 20 06:48:23 which awakens all the windows gremlins Jun 20 06:48:48 :-P Jun 20 06:48:56 it's a WEP network on my pc Jun 20 06:49:17 * DocScrutinizer suggests ifconfig Jun 20 06:49:21 and route Jun 20 06:49:42 and ping Jun 20 06:50:21 nok_fan: mmm... one thing has nothing to do with the other. You can have a WEP ad hoc connection but if you haven't set the Windows PC to share its Internet connection with the ad hoc network you won't get anywhere Jun 20 06:50:41 i have set it to share the internet connection.. Jun 20 06:51:11 isn't there this mad like batshit protocol where windows PCs are just grabbing a probably free IP, without any dhcp server involved? Jun 20 06:51:30 DocScrutinizer: you mean Bonjour... or autoDHCP Jun 20 06:51:36 yup Jun 20 06:52:08 yes, they get IPs on the 169.254.*.* range, but I don't really like those kinds of things. It was what I was going to ask nok_fan to check right now :) Jun 20 06:52:16 aka avahi >:-( Jun 20 06:52:34 nok_fan: please press Windows+R, type CMD and press "Accept" Jun 20 06:52:53 and then type ipconfig? Jun 20 06:52:56 right Jun 20 06:52:57 XD Jun 20 06:52:58 aka Zeroconf Jun 20 06:53:24 just to make sure the ad hoc interface is set to 192.168.0.1 Jun 20 06:53:43 which is the usual DHCP server IP address when using a Windows PC to share its connection Jun 20 06:53:56 * DocScrutinizer suggests to press ctl-shift-x, root, ifconfig Jun 20 06:53:58 naa it's set to 192.168.137.1 Jun 20 06:54:00 on N900 Jun 20 06:54:39 but wait, no rootsh installed :-/ Jun 20 06:54:47 i've installed rootsh Jun 20 06:54:49 nok_fan: I guess they changed it from Windows XP :) Jun 20 06:54:50 ok Jun 20 06:55:12 what does /sbin/ifconfig show on the n900? Jun 20 06:55:25 same as ifconfig on windows Jun 20 06:55:34 err ipconfig Jun 20 06:55:34 you meant ipconfig Jun 20 06:55:44 :) Jun 20 06:55:46 yea i got that Jun 20 06:56:07 DocScrutinizer: no, it shouldn't show the same. If everything is right it should show IP address 192.168.137.x with 1 lol Jun 20 06:56:20 exactly Jun 20 06:56:20 ;) Jun 20 06:57:01 ifconfig wlan0 even, iirc Jun 20 06:57:34 ok there's a wlan0:1 with inet addr: 169.254.158.40 Jun 20 06:57:53 nok_fan: that doesn't look too good. Is there a wlan0 without :1 ? Jun 20 06:57:57 hmm, seems to be the cause of problem Jun 20 06:58:21 wtf is :1 ? Jun 20 06:58:29 DocScrutinizer: sub-interface Jun 20 06:58:38 it allows you to have several IPs on the same hardware interface Jun 20 06:58:44 how can it get there on wl1251? Jun 20 06:58:57 hotspot? Jun 20 06:59:16 or joghurt sport? Jun 20 06:59:45 or some absolutely mad "optimizer" for maemo wlan? Jun 20 06:59:54 DocScrutinizer: no idea. But the Linux kernel supposedly supports several IPs on any given interface. Jun 20 07:00:03 well the wlan0:0 is up broadcast running multicast etc but doesn't show any inet addr Jun 20 07:00:12 sure, just I never seen it in real life Jun 20 07:00:35 DocScrutinizer: that's what you get for not having to deal with VLANs :P Jun 20 07:00:41 nok_fan: that's definitely odd Jun 20 07:00:55 nok_fan: I suspect you may have miswritten your WEP password (either on the n900 or the Windows PC) Jun 20 07:00:56 gonmight be true, yes Jun 20 07:01:10 o.O Jun 20 07:01:11 nok_fan: would you be so kind to double check it on both? Jun 20 07:02:14 wtf? my wep security key's changed from what i saved it to a 10 digit number Jun 20 07:02:18 this is on the pc Jun 20 07:02:46 can't ever be a 10 digit number Jun 20 07:02:49 nok_fan: that doesn't look too good :) A 10 digit number means a 64-bit WEP key Jun 20 07:03:12 DocScrutinizer: yes it can, actually. I have seen a 64 WEP key that was 1234567890 Jun 20 07:03:13 i'd saved it as a 5 character code Jun 20 07:03:14 wep usually is 13 chars Jun 20 07:03:30 I had to crack it twice because I didn't believe it Jun 20 07:03:40 5 is ok too afaik Jun 20 07:03:46 nok_fan: not if you have typed 10 hexadecimal digits Jun 20 07:04:07 then it will automatically understand you are typing a "5 character" key in hexadecimal Jun 20 07:04:20 the same happens if you type a 26 hexadecimal digit password Jun 20 07:04:32 k.. so i'll try typing this number as the code on my n900 Jun 20 07:04:35 yes Jun 20 07:04:38 and try connecting again Jun 20 07:05:09 I suggest using a fresh proper 13char password on both ends Jun 20 07:06:00 ok.. i'll create a new one then Jun 20 07:07:09 * DocScrutinizer passes mic to gomiam as that's clearly the more competent expert on this Jun 20 07:08:45 Hurrian, ping Jun 20 07:08:55 psycho_oreos: dong Jun 20 07:09:17 DocScrutinizer, lol, you know that could mean something completely off ;) Jun 20 07:09:28 ;-P Jun 20 07:09:43 ~ding Jun 20 07:09:43 dong Jun 20 07:09:51 ~pong Jun 20 07:09:51 ~ping Jun 20 07:12:14 yes!! works! :P Jun 20 07:12:20 DocScrutinizer, tried busybox-power? I saw your wiki.maemo.org username page and you suggested procps, I wonder if the stuff now provided by busybox-power would be enough to cover that? Jun 20 07:12:24 TADAAA Jun 20 07:12:31 haha Jun 20 07:13:18 psycho_oreos: you are kidding, no? Jun 20 07:13:22 ~messybox Jun 20 07:13:22 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Jun 20 07:15:17 whatsapp hasn't arrived for nokia n900 yet.. damn Jun 20 07:15:43 eh? Jun 20 07:16:05 WhatsApp.. it's an application similar to BBM Jun 20 07:16:20 DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/KgCQs0zY <-- looks like busybox-power has many tools, not saying that you're wrong but I thought it might be interesting to have a look Jun 20 07:16:22 :shrug: Jun 20 07:16:54 psycho_oreos: I'm not really interested in messybox, no matter which flavour Jun 20 07:17:34 tbh I'd be even too scared about impact of replacing stock maemo busybox, regarding bootloop issues etc Jun 20 07:18:53 plus I'm quite a dusty old school unix fart, I love the concept of one tool per task Jun 20 07:19:13 binaries >300k are already suspicious ;-) Jun 20 07:19:53 and a shell with all commands built in just feels way to MSDOSy Jun 20 07:20:12 wait, that's been yet another story Jun 20 07:20:21 DocScrutinizer, lol fair enough Jun 20 07:22:09 honestly the purpose of busybox on a system with a 500MHz processor and 32GB storage is completely beyond me Jun 20 07:22:19 to me busybox reminds me of the standard monolithic kernel that literally everyone who runs linux does. A fair proportion of modules built into kernel making kernel rather big Jun 20 07:23:22 though 32GB with 512MB for swap, 2GB for /home/user and the rest (which is ~29GB) for /home/user/MyDocs (which is formatted as default to FAT32) Jun 20 07:23:39 well, once there's been a time, when there simply had to be some modules in kernel, and you had to build your own kernel for every new machine Jun 20 07:24:02 that's been round about the time shortly before initrd got invented Jun 20 07:24:22 wouldn't be GNU hurd you're referring to? Jun 20 07:24:47 there's been even that mad tool to patch the kernel for some special parameters to match your machine Jun 20 07:25:00 the binary kernel, not the source Jun 20 07:25:53 nah, that's been like last milenium Jun 20 07:25:57 *shrug* I haven't been in the linux scene that long :) this must be pre 2.0.x days from my assumption Jun 20 07:26:15 quite possibly Jun 20 07:29:20 yawn Jun 20 07:43:56 reyawn Jun 20 07:44:03 yawn indeed Jun 20 07:44:20 chem|st: heh, SuSE4.2 ? ;-) Jun 20 07:45:02 tried Minix before, but it needed a MMU and I had none :-/ Jun 20 07:45:55 AmigaOS was just unixoid enough for some time Jun 20 07:47:29 and had that monitor, unparalleled. better than sysinternals^htop Jun 20 07:49:37 meh, make that sysinternals^gdb^powertop Jun 20 07:50:53 obviously no one tool one task piece of sw ;-) Nevertheless brilliant Jun 20 07:58:16 I need some help with scratchbox Jun 20 07:58:19 http://dpaste.com/556389/ Jun 20 07:58:40 I am trying to install this package I wrote on my N900 on my pc Jun 20 07:58:56 `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `python-dbus' Jun 20 07:59:18 why doesnt scratchbox have the sources to this dependency? Jun 20 07:59:24 how to add? Jun 20 07:59:37 Morning, all Jun 20 07:59:45 hi Jaffa Jun 20 08:06:22 ? Jun 20 08:06:45 hi chem|st Jun 20 08:07:06 can you help me with adding repo to my scratchbox? Jun 20 08:07:09 hi cloudyLights Jun 20 08:07:36 either with /etc/apt/source.list or app-manager Jun 20 08:07:41 should I just copy my N900 /etc/apt/sources.list ? Jun 20 08:08:05 nope Jun 20 08:08:09 why would you need a new repo? Jun 20 08:08:31 to test personal debs on a private repo? Jun 20 08:08:39 wouldn't apt-get source python-dbus do? Jun 20 08:08:43 the cloudyLights the /apt/sources.list is actualy not used but some scripts up n900's behind... Jun 20 08:09:08 DocScrutinizer: is yawn suse 4.2? Jun 20 08:09:35 nah, you caught me during my sentimental 5 minutes Jun 20 08:09:43 ? Jun 20 08:09:58 first suse distro I used Jun 20 08:10:58 DocScrutinizer: http://dpaste.com/556392/ Jun 20 08:11:14 psycho_oreos: and yes, it actually had kernel 1.2.13 Jun 20 08:11:26 so it seems as if my scratchbox has access to python-dbus Jun 20 08:11:39 DocScrutinizer: OT: now running a msi R6950 TwinFrozr III Premium/OC edition and a msi HD5850 TwinFrozr II (underclocked as I need a new PSU...) Jun 20 08:11:41 so why is my previus error? Jun 20 08:12:02 http://dpaste.com/556389/ Jun 20 08:12:07 odd - no? Jun 20 08:13:16 DocScrutinizer, lol talk about really ancient ;) Jun 20 08:13:21 cloudyLights: have you tried "fakeroot" up front? never got anything to work without Jun 20 08:14:19 also maybe your second step fixed the error in first now Jun 20 08:14:38 not really odd Jun 20 08:14:44 chem|st: I ran fakeroot dpkg ... - same resault Jun 20 08:14:50 also ran fakeroot Jun 20 08:14:57 then the dpkg - same resault Jun 20 08:15:22 DocScrutinizer: no , I still cant install my deb Jun 20 08:15:32 NB I'm completely clueless regarding installs in SB Jun 20 08:15:56 ~seen MohammadAG Jun 20 08:16:05 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (19h 9m 23s) #meego (19h 9m 23s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 9h 49m 9s, last said: 'that should give you an estimate :p'. Jun 20 08:17:35 try fakeroot apt-get install python-dbus Jun 20 08:17:44 instead of source Jun 20 08:17:56 can't be that hard Jun 20 08:18:09 works! Jun 20 08:18:15 python is looking for a library and you know the filename Jun 20 08:18:48 but I can't install my deb still - same error Jun 20 08:19:16 your own deb? Jun 20 08:19:22 yes Jun 20 08:19:32 might got "linked" against the wrong lib Jun 20 08:19:53 I used pypackager.... Jun 20 08:20:01 hmm, no clue really Jun 20 08:20:10 thanks Jun 20 08:20:44 parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control' near line 6 package `switchprofbymeeting': Jun 20 08:20:46 `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `python-dbus' Jun 20 08:21:07 so check that line. Syntax error doesn't exactly sound like an unmet dependency Jun 20 08:21:45 you might have a typo *somewhere* Jun 20 08:22:56 or pypackager did an ooopsie Jun 20 08:24:19 Hi all Jun 20 08:24:37 cat /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control | head -n 8 | tail -n 4 Jun 20 08:24:49 Somebody help me to recovery my n900.. i messed up /etc/fstab.. how to i cat access to NAND memory? Jun 20 08:24:57 or simply >>less /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control Jun 20 08:25:01 then go to line 6 Jun 20 08:25:14 and inspect Jun 20 08:25:30 cat: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control: No such file or directory Jun 20 08:25:53 now that's too bad, it erased the temporary file :-/ Jun 20 08:26:37 unless you did this outside of SB, where /ver is quite a bit different from what it is inside Jun 20 08:26:52 dpkg --info package.deb Jun 20 08:27:03 (off-topic) this is old already but now there are funny pictures ;) https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be Jun 20 08:27:27 EuPhobos: you can't mess up fstab Jun 20 08:27:33 http://dpaste.com/556393/ Jun 20 08:27:36 EuPhobos: it is autogenerated on each boot Jun 20 08:27:50 I ran dpkg -e Jun 20 08:28:36 DocScrutinizer: ofcouse but i'm edit the generator script.. I need only fix it, but i cant access to memory.. Jun 20 08:28:42 cloudyLights, Maintainer is supposed to be a full email, right? 'niv' is a bit ambigious Jun 20 08:29:17 Depends should be comma-separated Jun 20 08:29:22 I promiss to fix it Jun 20 08:29:30 ha ha! Jun 20 08:29:37 thanks! Jun 20 08:29:40 I'm not sure there's a point of an empty 'Suggests' Jun 20 08:29:43 joga: you're sure that's not a rogue page? Jun 20 08:29:53 /usr/lib/genfstab.awk has been edit and take mistake to options.. Jun 20 08:30:07 Is it OK to has a package name that is no small caps? Jun 20 08:30:14 EuPhobos: tricky nasty problem then Jun 20 08:30:33 can anyone sugget a better name for tha package? Jun 20 08:30:34 Yes, it's too hard to get access to NAND memory.. Jun 20 08:30:43 I used switchProfByMeeting Jun 20 08:30:46 it's basically impossible Jun 20 08:30:55 you need to mount ubifs Jun 20 08:30:59 Also: "Priority: low" - that should be "extra" rather than "low", right? Jun 20 08:31:03 Even the meego rescue initrd not help.. Jun 20 08:31:07 yes but how.. Jun 20 08:31:28 but I wonder how you'll do that as system wont boot when rootfs not mounted Jun 20 08:31:38 cloudyLights, the name of the google code project? Jun 20 08:31:55 EuPhobos: indeed, recue-initrd is useless crap Jun 20 08:32:09 EuPhobos: tried meego proper? Jun 20 08:32:33 DocScrutinizer where i can get this? Jun 20 08:33:03 meego.com I guess Jun 20 08:33:14 switch-profile-by-meeting Jun 20 08:33:20 ? Jun 20 08:34:28 EuPhobos: https://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 Jun 20 08:34:45 cloudyLights, yes Jun 20 08:35:13 no google project Jun 20 08:35:32 too long? Jun 20 08:35:43 nm Jun 20 08:36:06 cal2prof Jun 20 08:36:13 nice Jun 20 08:36:14 DocScrutinizer: thanks i'will try this.. Jun 20 08:37:08 or appointment-profiles Jun 20 08:37:23 profile-appointments Jun 20 08:38:12 you can even use cal2prof as technical name and profile-appointments as pretty name Jun 20 08:39:11 err technical name is unix name iirc Jun 20 08:53:52 Has anyone noticed a redirect somewhere in repository.maemo.org to http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/Invalid/Packages ? Jun 20 08:57:01 Hmm, no something else is going wrong. Jun 20 09:27:49 Hello ! Jun 20 09:41:32 khertan: hi , going to lunch brb Jun 20 10:50:53 why is libgl-dev installable on fremantle 32 but not armel? Jun 20 10:55:46 thopiekar_n900: because there is no gl hardware in the arm emulator Jun 20 10:56:14 sdk is a build environment, not for running all kinds of apps Jun 20 10:56:35 (err .. bullshit .. -dev :) should be there somehow) Jun 20 10:57:01 lol Jun 20 10:57:01 so what can i do if i need to compile a application that optionally needs these headers? Jun 20 10:57:20 wouldn't headers be equal on both? Jun 20 10:57:53 thopiekar_n900: You can compile it, but not run it. Jun 20 10:58:05 Until you scp it onto the device (IIRC) Jun 20 10:58:05 I need it for mythtv to get opengl support for watching tv.. Jun 20 10:58:36 jaffa.. you mean not run it on the n900? Jun 20 10:59:31 not run in scratchbox Jun 20 11:01:50 khertan: how can I make the package install in arml and also in i386? Jun 20 11:02:01 p.arch=? Jun 20 11:02:05 so I'll need to keep using XV right? Jun 20 11:04:00 SpeedEvil so how can I install the headers? Jun 20 11:05:01 dunno Jun 20 11:05:07 hmm Jun 20 11:06:15 do you know which video output the default mediaplayer is using? Jun 20 11:34:13 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > mkdir -p /home/opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon Jun 20 11:34:15 errr Jun 20 11:45:22 video output Jun 20 11:46:20 MohammadAG! Jun 20 11:46:33 can you pls help me use scratchbox? Jun 20 11:46:44 I can't emulate deb install Jun 20 11:46:56 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > mkdir -p /home/opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon fails Jun 20 11:47:18 cloudyLights, hello ! Jun 20 11:47:26 hi mate Jun 20 11:47:28 cloudyLights, p.arch=all Jun 20 11:47:44 "all" exactly :) Jun 20 11:47:48 how to allow the python deb to run on my N900 and the pc scratchbox? Jun 20 11:47:52 ok Jun 20 11:47:54 thanks Jun 20 11:48:09 any idea how to solve the /home/opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon fails ? Jun 20 11:49:07 use /opt not /home/opt Jun 20 11:49:14 both on device and in scratchbox Jun 20 11:49:45 and why mkdir that Jun 20 11:49:58 use /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon directly Jun 20 11:50:32 it's the right way since that is a symlink Jun 20 11:56:39 o ok , didnt know Jun 20 12:14:39 MohammadAG: E: Unable to find a source package for python-mafw Jun 20 12:14:43 in scratchbox Jun 20 12:14:56 add extras-devel Jun 20 12:15:09 how to do it in command/ Jun 20 12:15:10 ? Jun 20 12:15:18 maybe you remmebr.... Jun 20 12:16:10 echo deb_line >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update Jun 20 12:16:16 I don't have the line atm Jun 20 12:20:52 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Jun 20 12:22:24 and deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free Jun 20 12:22:30 for sources Jun 20 12:25:10 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list doesnt exist in scratchbox Jun 20 12:25:14 is this good? Jun 20 12:25:25 /etc/apt/sources.list is empty Jun 20 12:26:11 * SpeedEvil is now up to 4 calls recieved on the n900. Jun 20 12:26:26 Ever? Jun 20 12:27:53 yes Jun 20 12:27:56 Wow Jun 20 12:28:12 * Jaffa had two this morning. Both from his wife about the fact our hot water cylinder was leaking Jun 20 12:28:15 I don't give out the number. Jun 20 12:28:22 My hot water cylinder is not leaking. Jun 20 12:28:29 It's disconnected until I re-fit it. Jun 20 12:28:33 hi all ;-) Jun 20 12:28:59 Jaffa, has it been 9 months already? Jun 20 12:29:06 I had to disconnecte it as the muppet that fitted it arranged it cleverly so that to change the immersion element would require me to remove the roof. Jun 20 12:29:40 SpeedEvil: Unfortunate Jun 20 12:29:43 crashanddie: :-p Jun 20 12:31:12 did anyone knows if dsmetool is a software used to start other softwares ? Jun 20 12:32:13 yes it is Jun 20 12:32:18 fucking stupid codemonkey webdevelopers with their fucking attitudes and pride. Learn to code, learn to properly use a database, learn to read documentation, learn to document your own code. Fucking wankers. Jun 20 12:32:19 Ilmatar! Jun 20 12:32:35 one that keeps respawning processes till they work Jun 20 12:32:45 if they don't, reboot the device till they do Jun 20 12:32:58 and my PC is giving me kernel panics at bootup Jun 20 12:33:18 fun times Jun 20 12:33:31 MohammadAG, buntu? Jun 20 12:33:41 http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2264 - The (potential) vulnerabilities are rising and rising for maemo, in kernel and userspace. Jun 20 12:34:07 crashanddie, yeah, unplugged the charger and it worked Jun 20 12:37:08 ok so, if i want to use another alarm clock, it's in dsmetool that I must make some changes ? Jun 20 12:38:34 where is the bookmaker to register bet on the new or not maemo 6 device ? Jun 20 12:39:13 crashanddie, webdevelopers <<<< hum ... you didn't see any problem here ? Jun 20 12:39:38 I will take any bets on the new device to be released either with or without a keyboard at -10:1 Jun 20 12:39:51 khertan, I used to be a webdev, and seemed to be doing alright. Jun 20 12:40:09 web dev ... Jun 20 12:40:21 hum ... it s like saying True == False Jun 20 12:40:31 it s not possible Jun 20 12:40:36 :) Jun 20 12:40:40 actually, in Python, it is. Jun 20 12:40:44 True = False Jun 20 12:40:52 if True == False: print 'hey there' Jun 20 12:41:09 while 1>2: Jun 20 12:41:31 print "web dev is a myth" Jun 20 12:41:39 else: Jun 20 12:41:47 print "web dev didn't exists" Jun 20 12:41:54 :) Jun 20 12:42:07 hum ... while else Jun 20 12:42:16 the new loop ;) Jun 20 12:42:26 i should stop doing 4D code Jun 20 13:41:46 Spydemon: your question is kinda odd Jun 20 13:41:55 SpeedEvil: lol @ muppet Jun 20 13:43:18 ah the "big reveal" was tomorrow Jun 20 13:43:43 or the "big sigh" when they hold up a w7p ;p Jun 20 13:43:48 I bet 5 bucks on "SUCKS" Jun 20 13:46:16 DocScrutinizer, I want to make another alarm clock, so when it's time to the alarm to ring, my own alarm clock should be running instead the default Jun 20 13:46:51 I thing libalarmd would handle that for you Jun 20 13:46:56 think even Jun 20 13:47:27 you may want to have a look into alarmed package Jun 20 13:47:46 it basically *is* an alternative alarm clock Jun 20 13:48:27 just the GUI isn't exactly tailored to serve as a stupid night desk alarm clock Jun 20 13:49:17 ok thanks, i'll have a look ;-) Jun 20 13:49:34 first install the app,it's painless Jun 20 13:50:10 I guess we should be worried when eldar is saying something positive Jun 20 13:50:20 then check the cmdline interface which could offer most of what you need for core functionality Jun 20 13:52:21 I actually suggest to rather use alarmed app for a core service replacing the missing at daemon, rather than implementing yet another app that is messing with libalarmd directly Jun 20 13:55:58 DocScrutinizer, indeed ... alarmed is marvelous for running backup, auto sync, commit, nightly :) Jun 20 13:56:09 Spydemon: Jun 20 13:56:13 IroN900:~# ln -s /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py /usr/bin/alarmed Jun 20 13:56:15 IroN900:~# alarmed --help Jun 20 13:57:37 why doesn't maemo use cron, again? Jun 20 13:58:08 khertan: a few of the suggestions, esp cmdline and running scripts, are by me :-) Jun 20 13:58:09 thanks DocScrutinizer :) Jun 20 13:58:21 you seems to be a good hacker :p Jun 20 13:58:38 kerio: because cron can't really work on a system like maemo Jun 20 13:58:45 why not Jun 20 13:58:54 because Jun 20 13:58:54 it's supposed to be unix Jun 20 13:59:14 yep but not suppose to be connected to the wall charger all time Jun 20 13:59:20 alarmd lib is beyond what cron can handle Jun 20 13:59:40 are we all excited for tomorrows release Jun 20 13:59:46 alarmd also knows to hw-alarm Jun 20 13:59:54 and cron didn't suppose to be running when device sleep Jun 20 14:00:03 exactly Jun 20 14:01:08 also alarmd is doing a bit of optimization by concatenating alarms so wakeups are less frequently, AIUI Jun 20 14:01:46 sure they could have built sth like alarmd, and give it a frontend compatible to cron Jun 20 14:02:49 we have several such things, in maemo and elsewhere. in maemo there's alarmed and fcron, in FSO/SHR we got fsoatd Jun 20 14:03:12 (also my suggestion ;-) Jun 20 14:04:10 alarmed cli should be as much cron-y as possible Jun 20 14:04:45 that's why I suggest using it instead of direct interfacing to libalarmd Jun 20 14:05:36 -c 'CRON', --cron='CRON' Jun 20 14:05:37 Supply recurrence using cron-like syntax. Make sure to Jun 20 14:05:39 use quotes, for example: '5 * 12,14,16 02,02 3' Jun 20 14:37:50 Someone here is playing with QML on n900 ? Jun 20 14:38:08 i got frequent segfault with my pyside loader that i didn't understand : QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' Jun 20 14:38:08 (Make sure 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().) Jun 20 14:38:08 Segmentation fault Jun 20 15:16:02 so now I have definite proof that there will be a dev device soon. Jun 20 15:16:25 why? because I had to call in sick. last time I had to, that same day the ddp was announced. Jun 20 15:17:06 (proof of that is on this channel' logs =) ) Jun 20 15:18:33 javispedro: And you've not been sick between then & now? Jun 20 15:18:45 not a single day. Jun 20 15:19:42 javispedro: Wow Jun 20 15:20:35 (that I remember =) ) Jun 20 15:21:03 so my wacky prediction is clearly to be believed in. Jun 20 15:21:44 ddp? Jun 20 15:22:14 device developer program, back in n900 times Jun 20 15:22:58 javispedro: :) Jun 20 15:23:39 I bet you will all watch the livestream :) Jun 20 15:23:49 (I won't -- I need the sleep) Jun 20 15:23:50 nope Jun 20 15:23:50 cba Jun 20 15:24:58 What livestream? Jun 20 15:25:01 Hello! I have a Nokia N900, and I'm trying to chat using the integrated chat client. While I can log in to skype, neither ICQ nor MSN are working. Has anyone got an idea why? Jun 20 15:26:43 nicofs, did you install the plugin? Jun 20 15:27:14 nicofs, look for MSN Protocol Plugin For Conversations And Contacts Jun 20 15:27:42 SpeedEvil: more like "liveblog" Jun 20 15:27:47 ah Jun 20 15:28:05 crashanddie, i installed everything that had the name plugin in it... Jun 20 15:28:06 x/sb clear Jun 20 15:28:31 crashanddie, pidgin works, but sadly it's not that well integrated into the system... Jun 20 16:04:40 Is it possible to run Android apps in maemo? Jun 20 16:10:21 nicofs: There is a proof-of-concept OEM solution called Alien Dalvik. However, it is not publically available. Jun 20 16:14:57 Jaffa, what exactly does that mean? Jun 20 16:15:46 nicofs, that it is possible but only if you belong to the secret club Jun 20 16:16:04 and even then it doesn't actually hook into the maemo bs iirc Jun 20 16:16:09 erm dbs Jun 20 16:16:31 ruskie, how do i join the secret club? Jun 20 16:16:41 wouldn't know Jun 20 16:16:46 never was interested in that Jun 20 16:17:52 maybe web searching will yield some results Jun 20 16:18:42 the easiest way is probably http://www.myriadgroup.com/~/link.aspx?_id=F028A669103D402A95D53860D3CBD907&_z=z Jun 20 16:22:15 nicofs: Be a mass-market producer of Maemo 5 devices; contact them an ask for a licence. Pay. Ship device. Profit. Jun 20 16:22:26 nicofs: In other words, you don't join that secret club. Jun 20 16:22:57 It's like VMware demonstrating VMs on N800s: it's a tech demo to advertise the company, not enrich users of the platform's lives Jun 20 16:24:07 why does everything always have to be iOS or android... Jun 20 16:29:24 they keep making devvices at a rapid pace? a bigger user base? Jun 20 16:30:02 more profit potentian for the dev of the app? Jun 20 16:34:25 People have descended to calling any smartphone here an "iphone" Jun 20 16:52:07 So, keynote is at 0200 UTC. Which of you will be up for it? :P Jun 20 16:52:19 * SpeedEvil will probably be. Jun 20 16:53:14 * NIN101 Jun 20 16:53:16 * ShadowJK will be trying to arbitrate the argument between his stomach and the morning coffee Jun 20 16:56:13 GeneralAntilles, it is 5am finnish time so bearable, especially with white nights Jun 20 16:59:28 Well, gotta say I'm happy to finally have a product announcement time that fits into my schedule. Jun 20 16:59:41 GeneralAntilles: n9? Jun 20 16:59:49 vi__, apparently. Jun 20 17:00:38 10:00 PM EDT Jun 20 17:00:40 GeneralAntilles: I am being a little more cautious about counting my chickens Jun 20 17:01:08 vi__, well, there's an image alt that says "Nokia N9 - Lannku" Jun 20 17:01:15 Buried on the Nokia site. Jun 20 17:01:31 WeAreMeeGo was resurrected last week. Jun 20 17:01:39 Will there be a live stream? Jun 20 17:01:45 Should be. Jun 20 17:01:53 Will there be popcorn? Jun 20 17:02:01 Only if you cook your own. Jun 20 17:02:11 providing you provide it. Jun 20 17:11:44 gettting used to scratchbox , here. not bad Jun 20 17:13:05 cloudyLights: have you fixed the sdk for maemo? Jun 20 17:13:17 does meego use scratchbox? Jun 20 17:13:26 I think so Jun 20 17:13:45 cloudyLights: did you install on a box? Jun 20 17:13:53 or did you use the image? Jun 20 17:14:05 I installed scratchbox on my laptop Jun 20 17:14:15 and the maemo sdk? Jun 20 17:14:16 wow Jun 20 17:14:25 I am a gentoo user, but I installed ubuntu - just to get it working Jun 20 17:14:27 i could never get it to work Jun 20 17:14:44 you should blog what you did :-P Jun 20 17:14:49 natty? Jun 20 17:14:56 I had to get assistence here from MohammadAG Jun 20 17:15:14 and you need to read the wiki a few times Jun 20 17:15:37 Anyone have the .deb for angry birds laying around somewhere? Not the level packs - just the free version itself Jun 20 17:16:13 and all this work , just to release a simple app Jun 20 17:25:20 GeneralAntilles: its real Jun 20 17:25:23 GeneralAntilles: http://pocketnow.com/android/nokia-n9-first-press-shots Jun 20 17:28:12 n900 doesn't use cron, isn't it ? So, what is use instead of it ? Jun 20 17:29:09 Spydemon I found that Alarmed fills all my schedule needs Jun 20 17:29:23 (running a script daily + some random stuff occasionally) Jun 20 17:30:17 n900 uses alarmd Jun 20 17:30:26 it is more or less a cron copy Jun 20 17:30:42 there is a nice front end called alarmed written in python Jun 20 17:31:08 though you can install cron if you want Jun 20 17:31:43 vi__, weird look. Jun 20 17:31:49 Certain distinctive, though. Jun 20 17:33:14 wierd? in what respect Jun 20 17:33:40 just an N8 with less corner and more screen. Jun 20 17:33:56 yes, DocScrutinizer told me about Alarmed, but how Alarmed does the auto - execution ? It isn't something higher ? Jun 20 17:33:58 Dunno, N8 looks weird to me too. Jun 20 17:34:10 Nokia Connection? Jun 20 17:35:01 where is the USB port? Jun 20 17:35:33 If only we had had this in SF Jun 20 17:35:43 Would've been a much less depressing event. Jun 20 17:36:47 is this keyboardless Jun 20 17:37:19 Yes Jun 20 17:37:31 So we haven't seen the "N950" yet Jun 20 17:37:40 Hopefully that doesn't mean its cancelled Jun 20 17:38:02 ah, convincing renderings of "N9" at tmo Jun 20 17:38:32 like, it's missing usb port, and either charger or earphone jack too... :I Jun 20 17:39:42 I have very little faith in Nokia's ability to produce a usable touch keyboard. *g* Jun 20 17:39:50 indeed Jun 20 17:40:11 Well even if they did, I'd want it on a slide out second screen ;P Jun 20 17:40:29 don't want wasted screenspace.. Jun 20 17:40:34 yeah Jun 20 17:40:43 how do I double tab into a virtual kb? Jun 20 17:41:27 btw, did Nokia Research Center have "feelable" haptic feedback? Like the superimposed vibrations thing so you can "feel" key boundaries on touchscreen? Jun 20 17:42:58 This will be frustrating. On one hand you'd want to buy the MeeGo device in order for it to be a success, so that it doesn't die, but on the other hand you'd want to wait for qwerty Jun 20 17:43:21 that and the qwerty is going to be WELL old by the time it gets here Jun 20 17:44:33 well it'd be newer than N900 Jun 20 17:45:21 And a MeeGo device would probably only be a week or two of hacking to become usable upgrade from N900/Maemo5 Jun 20 17:45:28 or a month Jun 20 17:50:02 it took like 7 years to make xchat usable Jun 20 17:50:20 * ShadowJK wonders how long to make usable irc client in QT... Jun 20 17:50:47 why use anyting else then irssi? Jun 20 17:56:10 indeed Jun 20 17:56:22 that's what I've been using since 2000 Jun 20 17:56:42 i can't get overview of activity in irssi in any meaningful way :p Jun 20 17:56:49 and before irssi it was BitchX, but I don't want to remember that Jun 20 17:57:15 ShadowJK: there is quassel2go, ask people to fix it :P Jun 20 17:57:35 I used epic before irssi... :P Jun 20 17:58:11 so it seems that the N950 (or whatever it is) will be announced tomorrow? Jun 20 17:58:39 hiemanshu: is that so? Jun 20 17:58:48 Choom: http://www.happyassassin.net/2011/06/19/n900-successor-announced-tuesday/\ Jun 20 17:58:55 err remove the \ at the end Jun 20 17:59:16 the author is a friend, and well can be trusted Jun 20 17:59:45 thanks Jun 20 18:00:07 hope it comes with a capacitive screen Jun 20 18:00:25 I hope it doesn't come with a capacitive screen Jun 20 18:02:32 It took them like, what, 7 years from making their first with a resistive screen until making one that was good like N900.. I imagine it'd take them just as long to perfect capacitive :P Jun 20 18:02:36 your collective resistance (pun intended) to capacitive screens intrigues me Jun 20 18:03:01 ah Jun 20 18:04:09 there are also optic screens, but I don't think those are suitable for mobile devices Jun 20 18:04:20 Choom: haha bitchX that was a "fun" time for me to! :p Jun 20 18:04:40 they work great on the desktop though, combining both the good aspects of capacitive and resistive without the drawbacks Jun 20 18:06:33 the flesh of my fingers presents a too gigantic reading on capacitive Jun 20 18:07:15 * ShadowJK 's netbook has capacitive touchpad, it's nearly unusable :-( Jun 20 18:08:17 I've been thinking about getting one of those myself Jun 20 18:08:22 ShadowJK, depends on utility and scale Jun 20 18:08:39 they make all the sense on laptops Jun 20 18:09:31 * lcuk wants dual mode Jun 20 18:09:32 laptop interprets finger movement as series of random clicks Jun 20 18:09:42 upgrade your fingers Jun 20 18:10:14 unless I press hard, then it's 50/50 between pointer movement and lockout because it thinks I put down entire foot on it or something Jun 20 18:11:18 ShadowJK: are you sure that's a capacitive screen? Jun 20 18:11:25 capacitive screens are usually quite sensitive Jun 20 18:11:32 yes because it doesn't react to nails Jun 20 18:11:37 Choom, sensitive to skin Jun 20 18:11:39 not to fingernail Jun 20 18:12:47 I don't get the fixation people have on WP7. Jun 20 18:12:52 "that would be a hit with windows phone 7!" Jun 20 18:12:57 No. It'd be shit. Jun 20 18:13:24 isn't wp7 more like a featurephone with html5 support? Jun 20 18:13:33 Windows Phone 7 now with a green screen of death! Jun 20 18:13:37 (TM) Jun 20 18:16:51 GeneralAntilles: because Microsoft! and Xbox! Jun 20 18:18:14 Choom, because they're a pain to use when your fingers are trained for resistive. Jun 20 18:18:16 They're also stupidly imprecise. Jun 20 18:18:53 mikhas, don't think about discussion things in #meego that might have a shot at making it semi-relevant. Jun 20 18:18:56 Fool. Jun 20 18:21:05 I have an iPhone and a N900, dont really see that much of a different in touch (well no multitouch tough) Jun 20 18:22:17 Try placing an insertion point on the iPhone. Jun 20 18:22:27 I imagine mediocre capacitive is going to be worse... and then, well, do you think Nokia does high-end or mediocre on first try :) Jun 20 18:23:15 GAN900, come again? Jun 20 18:23:51 ShadowJK, that can be adjusted on the driver level Jun 20 18:23:59 lol? Jun 20 18:24:07 yes Jun 20 18:24:20 mikhas, sorry, just being cynical about #meego and things which might help the project but which Intel doesn't like. :P Jun 20 18:24:23 instead of testing for a fixed value, test for delta in a given time frame Jun 20 18:24:45 So the sub-par performance of htc vs iphone capacitive is just due to shitty drivers? Jun 20 18:25:17 well written drivers can do wonders in that area Jun 20 18:25:45 causing a straight line grid drawn on screen to come out as wavy lines in a grid with each rectangle different size? Jun 20 18:27:21 http://www.esphoneblog.com/2010/01/09/capacitive-touch-screen-battle-iphone-droid-nexus-one-and-eris/ this is fixable in drivers? Jun 20 18:57:01 hi.. I got now MythTV packaged for my N900 BUT: I can't use the QMySQL driver when launching it.. libqt4-sql-mysql is installed.. Jun 20 19:04:37 http://www.fonearena.com/blog/39574/nokia-n9-press-images-leaked.html Jun 20 19:04:41 if that's true, that phone will suck Jun 20 19:04:46 we NEED a physical keyboard! Jun 20 19:05:44 physical keyboards sucks, they are only good for noobs and not for those who want a real touch keyboard Jun 20 19:05:55 swordi: oh please ;p Jun 20 19:07:16 hey cmon, it's been a while since i trolled here Jun 20 19:10:23 i dont want a n9 either way :P Jun 20 19:10:28 well Jun 20 19:10:33 I would have liked a nice phone with Meego Jun 20 19:10:40 but without a physical keyboard? no. Jun 20 19:10:57 and swordi it seems you don't do heavy ssh from your phone Jun 20 19:10:57 Sc0rpius, what's about usb keyboards? Jun 20 19:11:20 where a virtual keyboard would not only suck in speed but it will occupy the whole screen Jun 20 19:11:23 in SSH, you can't just do that Jun 20 19:11:43 I can't carry a USB keyboard while I'm on the bike at the gym Jun 20 19:11:52 buy a car Jun 20 19:11:54 (that's when my heavy SSH occur) Jun 20 19:12:15 I said at the gym :P Jun 20 19:12:18 m( Jun 20 19:12:44 I can't survive excercising 40 minutes at the gym without my ssh Jun 20 19:13:00 anyway I know how a virtual keyboard sucks Jun 20 19:13:04 I have an Android tablet Jun 20 19:13:16 and it's pretty useful and handy while I don't have to type Jun 20 19:13:19 then I want to reply an email Jun 20 19:13:25 and I usually ditch it and turn on my netbook Jun 20 19:13:41 maybe NIN101 already told you, but he had to send his n900 to repair and he still doesn't got it back, some pity would be cool! Jun 20 19:14:10 android sucks, but at least you don't need an activation key lol Jun 20 19:14:20 (I'm talking about windows phone) Jun 20 19:14:23 Android sucks yes Jun 20 19:14:25 it's slow Jun 20 19:14:28 it's unstable Jun 20 19:14:34 and it closes applications when it feels like it Jun 20 19:14:34 bloat Jun 20 19:14:46 but there is no Maemo/Meego tablet yet Jun 20 19:14:53 and I wanted a tablet for PDF reading at night Jun 20 19:15:06 that could do some quick Internet browsing Jun 20 19:15:15 i wait for windows 8 tablets Jun 20 19:15:31 yeah that'd work too Jun 20 19:15:42 I'm not like most of people that will diss Windows the second they read the word Jun 20 19:15:51 I'd have to test it first, but I'd definitely give it a chance Jun 20 19:16:44 Sc0rpius: There's actually a MeeGo tablet, the WeTab Jun 20 19:17:05 >WeTab Jun 20 19:17:20 and it works? Jun 20 19:17:28 nice thing, but it wasn't really successful Jun 20 19:17:33 the problem is that we need Meego to be more mainstream Jun 20 19:17:37 Sc0rpius: It seems so... I haven't tried it myself Jun 20 19:17:58 unless there are at least 10 Meego devices in the market, Meego won't be successful Jun 20 19:18:16 Sc0rpius: I don't think it's your gym pal, 11" screen :) Jun 20 19:19:26 Sc0rpius: Acer will release the M500 tablet in Q4 (according to statements from Computex) so there's some devices coming up Jun 20 19:20:30 11" is too big Jun 20 19:20:38 I like the 7" the one I have is 7" Jun 20 19:21:13 Sc0rpius: Well, that's why you need a phys keyboard :) Jun 20 19:21:52 moo, konttori Jun 20 19:21:54 hi Jun 20 19:22:00 good to be alive again. Jun 20 19:22:09 Still at Nokia? Jun 20 19:22:15 We have been pushing so so so hard for almost a year now. Jun 20 19:22:16 yeah Jun 20 19:22:26 now, finally, taking our head from the trenches Jun 20 19:22:28 12 hours left? =) Jun 20 19:22:38 less Jun 20 19:22:50 it's ab fab Jun 20 19:23:27 konttori_work, hey, don't highlight me :) Jun 20 19:23:32 yesssss Jun 20 19:23:40 ab: sorry Jun 20 19:23:53 konttori_work, I thought you wanted to say something Jun 20 19:24:35 naah. Can't really talk too much before announcements, so just came to peek on what's going on and making sure I have connections set for the morning. Jun 20 19:25:04 konttori_work, there are still no links for streaming from nokiaconnection Jun 20 19:25:16 otoh, it's really starting to be interesting when you guys get your hands on Jun 20 19:25:23 well what's going on is that N9 doesn't have a physical keyboard and that sucks Jun 20 19:25:25 :P Jun 20 19:25:27 ab: yeah, I've been wondering about that too Jun 20 19:25:53 konttori_work, now, my coughing and white nights will make me perfect target at 5am Jun 20 19:25:57 well, it has been pretty dead here lately, with all the gloometc Jun 20 19:26:07 Sc0rpius: yeah, I hate it too. But we have really good vibra and the new input method framework turned out to work pretty well. Jun 20 19:26:27 Shame it's still compositoted. Update releases should help on removing that Jun 20 19:26:31 but how can I do heavy ssh with a virtual keyboard that takes the whole screen :'( Jun 20 19:26:40 konttori_work, btw, saw Maliit release today, good work Jun 20 19:26:57 Sc0rpius: it takes only 60% of screen Jun 20 19:27:02 in portrait mode Jun 20 19:27:07 but the whole thing in landscape Jun 20 19:27:10 and you can use it also in portrait Jun 20 19:27:17 update releases??? Jun 20 19:27:22 Sc0rpius: no, it's 60% in landscape Jun 20 19:27:25 and thanks for cyrillics update Jun 20 19:27:26 oh... Jun 20 19:27:28 interesting Jun 20 19:27:28 in portrait it's maybe 45% Jun 20 19:27:47 We are all the time using landscape vkb with terminal Jun 20 19:27:51 it works pretty ok Jun 20 19:27:55 RST38h, wanna bet when konttori_work will realise he'll get quoted on the TMO thread? Jun 20 19:28:16 ah, that thread is so spammed that nobody would even notice Jun 20 19:28:49 ab:One tmothread? noooo Jun 20 19:29:35 * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to please, PLEASE, deliver tomorrow Jun 20 19:30:13 "hanks to some Finnish readers who point out that it would be Lankku (plank in finnish)." Jun 20 19:30:20 Isn't it what one... walks? Jun 20 19:31:28 RST38h: Before you jump into the water to escape the burning platform :) Jun 20 19:31:50 mariob: and drown. Jun 20 19:32:28 RST38h, that is one use of planks :) Jun 20 19:32:49 Someone has some info about the leaked details about S40 getting 1Ghz? Would the sw be replaced by Linux and Qt? :) Jun 20 19:33:06 Ah, some news sites are back to using "Maemo 6" moniker Jun 20 19:33:25 mariob, you probably read too much ceoStephenElop on twitter Jun 20 19:33:33 ab: lol Jun 20 19:33:44 I vote also for maemo6 . But I think we will use meego. As said, no idea. Jun 20 19:33:45 konttori_work, but thanks for cyrillics fixes, btw Jun 20 19:34:08 We have been so in the trenches that we haven't been following much of marketing / political activities Jun 20 19:34:10 konttori_work: Intel are the only stake in the TSG, and they're pissed off (well, a lot of the non-politically sensitive people are) Jun 20 19:34:27 konttori_work: Although having it called MeeGo (or similar) would be a *massive* boon to the MeeGo project. Jun 20 19:34:47 ab: ah, yeah, those were really requested internally. Jun 20 19:34:50 konttori_work: After the conference, I said "MeeGo needs Harmattan a lot more than Harmattan needs MeeGo" Jun 20 19:35:16 konttori_work: Glad to have your head in daylight for the first time in months? ;-) Jun 20 19:35:22 Funnily, we had to throw away the "expert" designed layout guides for vkb and design our own with a few russian architects. Jun 20 19:35:23 konttori_work, I sat with a lady and got a Finnkino ticket Jun 20 19:35:37 Jaffa: for sure. Jun 20 19:36:20 Jaffa: meego is a peculiar beast. They are doing really good with set top boxes, tvs and car systems. Jun 20 19:36:54 but for those, intel only provides adaptation + qt + qml + some conveniences for the target segments Jun 20 19:37:29 But notebook really isn't flying, and phone segment needs a lot of work to do the necessary differentiation. Jun 20 19:37:48 unexpected finding, eh? ;) Jun 20 19:38:19 Well, to me that the tv and car segments are doing so well is a surprise Jun 20 19:38:56 otoh, doing a tv UI in qml is pretty freakin' sweet idea. Jun 20 19:39:02 konttori_work: Of no interest to consumers or app devs, tho. Jun 20 19:39:09 perhaps they have smaller variety of UIs there Jun 20 19:39:13 not that much, no Jun 20 19:39:39 well, probably angry birds are welcome Jun 20 19:39:53 angry birds on car Jun 20 19:40:03 at driver's seat Jun 20 19:40:42 lol Jun 20 19:40:42 there is mandatory disabling of front seat screens when car is moving Jun 20 19:40:56 well, the dashboard will obviously function, but that won't hopefully play angry birds Jun 20 19:41:15 Doing any UI in QML is a nice idea Jun 20 19:41:27 But only if QML has got a small enough memory/cpu footprint Jun 20 19:41:31 konttori_work, even for GPS? Jun 20 19:41:36 (i.e. comparable with Gtk+ or plain Qt) Jun 20 19:41:58 ruskie: for car entertainment Jun 20 19:42:17 RST38h: javascript engine is the biggest cost at 4 MB. Rest is pretty thin Jun 20 19:42:24 I prefer to use a camera to entertain me or just sleep Jun 20 19:42:36 and the qml2 of course moves the scene graph to GPU, so it's ultra efficient Jun 20 19:42:37 konttori:how does it handle memory-unbounded nature of js? Jun 20 19:42:52 RST38h: funny question. Not very well. Jun 20 19:43:16 And in general, freeing memory is not qmls forte at the moment Jun 20 19:43:40 we are working on improving it, but really, qml has only matured to be production usable in march. Jun 20 19:44:05 before that it has been having a lot of issues all over the place Jun 20 19:44:42 dalvik-like memory mapping across components and multiple instances is still missing Jun 20 19:44:58 and that is pretty hard to introduce with current QML engine implementation Jun 20 19:45:48 ab: and harder further still in the future. Jun 20 19:46:12 some memory mapping is already of course used, like sharing theme graphics over shared memory between processes Jun 20 19:47:07 konttori_work, QML components compiled memory representation should be shared. Last time I looked at it, it was hopeless due to many pointered structures used Jun 20 19:47:31 and qt mobility has a shared emory backend that makes data sharing very easy. But often needs c++ code. Jun 20 19:47:46 konttori_work, that does not mean anything with QML engine Jun 20 19:47:56 nope it doesn't Jun 20 19:48:12 but then again, with c++ you can do all wonders you need Jun 20 19:48:12 it's just not as convenient Jun 20 19:48:35 konttori_work, thing is, if you right now have 4MB overhead per engine + whatever structure is there when QML components are compiled in, you'll multiply that by number of apps running Jun 20 19:48:55 even though those apps will use the same components, components' code will be duplicated in memory Jun 20 19:48:57 Yeah. Not a problem. Jun 20 19:49:07 it is a problem actually Jun 20 19:49:23 you haven't seen how heavy those structures within QML engine Jun 20 19:49:24 It's a waste for sure, but not something we could not live with Jun 20 19:53:28 are you implying there'll be more than bare minimum ram? :-) Jun 20 19:54:19 hey since keyboard is presumably missing now, is bluetooth keyboard support back? :D Jun 20 19:54:24 ShadowJK: There will ALWAYS be bare minimum RAM! Jun 20 19:54:51 RST38h, not true, they made computers with Vista and 1G Jun 20 19:56:48 they also made system9 macs with 1G Jun 20 19:57:02 Was that enough? Jun 20 19:57:06 And for how long? =) Jun 20 19:58:00 it was way too much for showing the desktop, too low for anything else... Jun 20 20:01:32 vista with 1g rapes the harddrive a day to produce a warning message saying windows has determined your computer needs more ram Jun 20 20:03:48 we also have compressed ram swap. It's insanely fast solution for extending ram needs. Jun 20 20:04:17 Ah, so compressed ram swap DOES HELP? Jun 20 20:04:24 anyway, let's see what tomorrow brings. It should allow much more details and thus better discussion points Jun 20 20:04:25 ShadowJK: See? I have been telling this for months :) Jun 20 20:05:07 konttori: More important question: Are remaining Nokians going to be returning to maemo.org? Jun 20 20:05:18 it's over 10x compared to one nand flash Jun 20 20:05:55 no published code would be able to sanely swap on onenand anyway? Jun 20 20:06:00 zram is the second coolest thing since sliced bread .. unfortunally no actual package for the n900 :/ Jun 20 20:06:01 hi Jun 20 20:06:30 did you guys see this? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/rumor-nokia-to-launch-n9-with-12-megapixel-camera-tomorrow/25690 Jun 20 20:06:34 is it for real? Jun 20 20:06:45 tomorrow will know Jun 20 20:07:03 it'll have the same N8 camera Jun 20 20:07:12 will it have autofocus? Jun 20 20:07:12 RST38h, it does really help Jun 20 20:07:13 Tonight for the US. Jun 20 20:07:14 tomorrow is real. details you need wait then Jun 20 20:07:33 RST38h, Engadget's spyshots say 8MP AF Jun 20 20:07:46 RST38h, let's focus on tomorrow Jun 20 20:07:48 ab: Someone should finally compile gzipped RAM swap for the Maemo5 and include it into CSSU :( Jun 20 20:08:02 General: nice, meansbarcode recognition will work Jun 20 20:08:04 RST38h, I think it is available at code.google.com Jun 20 20:08:21 RST38h: ramswap would really like more ram than 256 n900 has. Jun 20 20:08:21 does it not create bigger fragmentation issues in backing swap over time, making "phone unusably slow after using fennec or 2 days uptime" syndrome worse? Jun 20 20:08:30 konttori: ah Jun 20 20:08:49 So, 256 does not reach the break point Jun 20 20:08:55 otoh, perhaps sacrificing say... 70 megs would make sense Jun 20 20:09:27 ShadowJK, kill all apps, turn it off, turn it on and it is ready for new endeavors Jun 20 20:09:27 ab:there is a well known implementation and someone even experimented with it on N900, but nothing end-user-usable Jun 20 20:09:40 ab: but then I lose stuff :) Jun 20 20:09:44 ab:actually, there is an easier way to roll over swap :) Jun 20 20:09:51 RST38h, I guess konttori_work is right about memory requirements Jun 20 20:10:03 we are putting 256 to ram swap if I remember correctly. Different configuration shave been tested and I think that was the one we stuck to Jun 20 20:10:08 * ShadowJK has two swap files on n900 and switches once swap starts fragmenting Jun 20 20:10:41 Right, nearly bed time. See you at 2am UTC in ##nokiacnxn Jun 20 20:10:52 (which is ~700M of writes, or 5 minutes firefox) :-) Jun 20 20:11:05 we should have put the system partition to emmc for n900 and put 256 of swap to onenand there. That would have been really nice. Jun 20 20:11:24 * Jaffa nods Jun 20 20:11:42 how big is erase block size on n900 onenand? Jun 20 20:11:58 it's significantly larger than 4k isn't it? Jun 20 20:12:09 onenand has 4k afaik. Jun 20 20:12:18 konttori: probably wouldn't solve the problem though Jun 20 20:12:21 it's the movinand that has like... 512k. Jun 20 20:12:24 Well... Jun 20 20:12:54 konttori_work, Jun 20 20:12:55 if it's actually 4k erase block then it'd been nice :-) Jun 20 20:13:00 j ##nokiacxn Jun 20 20:13:03 konttori: Actually, decreasing swappiness to 30% makes things bearable, especially if you do not quit most often used apps (phone, messaging, and xterm for me) Jun 20 20:13:04 omg Jun 20 20:14:40 Well.. I saw funny effects reducing swappiness.. device spent most of the time dropping executables and libraries from ram and rereading from emmc/onenand Jun 20 20:14:40 wohoo! My JL headphones have arrived. Jun 20 20:16:28 for me it just acted as a knob deciding whether traffic was mostly in "si so" columns or "bi bo" columns of vmstat, and it seemed to accomplish stuff faster with higher swappiness, as long as swap wasn't fragmented... in which case it seemed like read-heavy setting became faster (but still slower than original situatuin) Jun 20 20:17:06 http://wesc.com/product/39569 <--- I have been yearning for those ever since I saw somebody wearing them on a tram stop. Jun 20 20:17:30 look regular enough Jun 20 20:17:31 I really hope they sound as good as they look. Jun 20 20:17:42 Goes really well with my white NXX Jun 20 20:17:43 They don't sound as good as they look, nor do they even really look good. Jun 20 20:17:52 although extra points for being actualheadphones, not those little uncomfortable earplugs Jun 20 20:17:58 damn, now you ruined it for me ;) Jun 20 20:17:59 I have a friend who bought a pair after I tried to talk him out ot WeSC. Jun 20 20:18:14 They're as shit as skull candy are. Jun 20 20:18:16 * ShadowJK prefers the earplugs :-) Jun 20 20:18:26 * RST38h got a BH-905, only to find out they tend to fall off the head Jun 20 20:18:30 I'd want some shure ones, but availability is challenging Jun 20 20:18:33 hawai`i: really. Oh well, it's only money. Jun 20 20:18:59 I have the 905 and 504 on my desk and generally pick up the 504 most of the time. Jun 20 20:19:02 Other than that (and Maemo5 bug with receiving phone calls), perfect Jun 20 20:19:57 Anyway, now to bed. Let's see if I end up waking up at 5 AM Jun 20 20:19:59 night all! Jun 20 20:21:11 * ShadowJK wonders about the rumoured draconian no-rooting no-upgrading no-fun fud :-) Jun 20 20:22:32 we will see Jun 20 20:23:10 Half and half. Can be enabled or disabled. Jun 20 20:23:29 docScrutinizer, I checked the log for the date you gave me, but it does not seem to have any solution to 'unlock' the lock key? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-06-17.log.html Jun 20 20:24:07 * ShadowJK giggles Jun 20 20:24:15 sleep Jun 20 20:25:46 I see nokia's website is as hekpful as ever. I click "how to buy" link in MicroB on N900, and the site tells me to download Ovi Maps to get seller locations, and then microb went into minute long swapstorm :@ Jun 20 20:27:24 ..followed by 32wd_to.. the firsrt I've ever experienced on that N900, had it 10 months :D Jun 20 20:34:46 how does one hire an n900? Jun 20 20:36:27 with a mono-stilt Jun 20 20:36:31 . Jun 20 20:44:01 ##nokiacnxn Jun 20 20:44:02 Fools. Jun 20 20:46:34 * Sicelo hides Jun 20 20:47:58 pft Jun 20 20:48:08 it was #nokcnxn Jun 20 20:48:20 or at least, I was there for the most part of today... Jun 20 20:49:00 nobody beingthere should have tipped me off Jun 20 21:03:56 hi.. is there anyway to get a "Esc" key on the N900? Jun 20 21:05:33 thopiekar: you could remap the keyboard: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Jun 20 21:11:19 thanks Jun 20 21:13:12 thopiekar: you can get hold of ntpdate for fixing time problems, http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ Jun 20 21:13:34 well, thanks, again ;) Jun 20 21:13:48 thopiekar: unfortunately, i am away from home so cant test your binaries Jun 20 21:13:59 thopiekar: but where are we at the moment ? ;) Jun 20 21:14:13 at home Jun 20 21:14:52 playback works but a shame that I can't get quit a view.,. Jun 20 21:15:03 thopiekar: ah Jun 20 21:15:04 because the Esc key is missing Jun 20 21:15:24 thopiekar: you can enable network control and telnet to mythtv Jun 20 21:15:33 thopiekar: telnet localhost 6546 Jun 20 21:15:43 dunno if I have enabled :D Jun 20 21:16:07 thopiekar: so is it Livetv which you tested? Jun 20 21:17:05 thopiekar: another option could be to use easystroke with mythtv Jun 20 21:17:23 yes but the video is bad.. I think I'll need to fix the resolution Jun 20 21:17:37 thopiekar:is this SDTV? Jun 20 21:17:53 yes Jun 20 21:18:10 thopiekar: my guess SDTV has a higher resolution than max resolution of N900 Jun 20 21:18:13 I wouldn't try to watch HDTV Jun 20 21:18:30 myth should scale it.. Jun 20 21:18:53 we can expect HDTV in 0.25 when they enable OpenGL ES support Jun 20 21:18:55 thopiekar: did you have to disable opengl? Jun 20 21:19:06 opengl != opengl es Jun 20 21:19:13 thopiekar: yes, aware of that Jun 20 21:19:31 thopiekar: cpu usage is 100% atm? Jun 20 21:19:56 dunno still trying to fix the keybindings :D Jun 20 21:20:18 thopiekar: you can always ssh into the device. Jun 20 21:21:04 got it Jun 20 21:21:06 :D Jun 20 21:21:16 thopiekar: try to use the slim playback profile. Jun 20 21:21:55 ok set it now.. I'll check a recording now Jun 20 21:22:55 k, the video is lagging.. Jun 20 21:23:18 I'll play with the ringbuffer settings later Jun 20 21:23:35 thopiekar: did you have to disable mythtranscode? Jun 20 21:24:00 yes to make the code qt3 independen Jun 20 21:24:05 t Jun 20 21:24:18 thopiekar: i wonder if mythtranscode does the video scaling Jun 20 21:25:04 going to take a bath.. so you later ;) Jun 20 21:25:36 thopiekar: right, later Jun 20 21:31:47 Hi all Jun 20 21:32:08 flashed my phone and it now says "no initfs \o/" Jun 20 21:32:15 what should i do? Jun 20 21:33:12 angelox, what phone, and what software version? Jun 20 21:33:21 (well - I assume N900, but still) Jun 20 21:33:24 n900 Jun 20 21:33:51 you are asking about phone software or my pc software? Jun 20 21:34:06 phone Jun 20 21:34:09 flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode Jun 20 21:34:36 and the version you try to install on the N900? Jun 20 21:34:44 what's the exact complete command you used? Jun 20 21:35:08 i was trying install another distribution,was running in maemo pr 1.2 i guess... Jun 20 21:36:15 angelox, well, which distribution? Jun 20 21:36:23 on phone? SHR Jun 20 21:36:36 so you get "no initfs" when trying to install SHR? or when trying to install back Maemo on it? Jun 20 21:36:51 when he's trying to get back maemo Jun 20 21:36:57 yes,when i tried to install back maemo kernel... Jun 20 21:37:33 I'd try first what MohammadAG wrote (might be related that R&D is enabled) Jun 20 21:37:40 btw,i'm from Brazil and i'm downloading from here a full image http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php,could i download a USA release? Jun 20 21:37:45 ok,i'll try Jun 20 21:38:15 Unable to enumerate USB devices! Jun 20 21:39:25 andre__: is ferenc still the sysadmin? Jun 20 21:40:25 vldcnst, one of them, yeah Jun 20 21:40:40 "I'm from Brazil and i'm downloading from here a full image http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php,could i download a USA release? " Sorry,i said wrong,it was about UK release Jun 20 21:41:08 andre__: I sent him some important emails a few weeks ago and still no response. Might I forward them to you? (maemo.org vulnerabilities related) Jun 20 21:41:44 vldcnst: not that I can do something myself but I can try to ping people. feel free to Jun 20 21:43:36 andre__: andre@maemo? Jun 20 21:44:12 Hello ! Jun 20 21:46:54 http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-lankku-n9-01-leaked-photos/#4237442 Jun 20 21:47:06 i hope this is'nt that Jun 20 21:47:15 look like no keyboard Jun 20 21:47:21 :/ Jun 20 21:47:40 Khertan_n900: http://pocketnow.com/android/nokia-n9-first-press-shots Jun 20 21:47:53 looks identical, so yeah Jun 20 21:48:38 i think i saied about one year ago "the n900 successor will be more sleek and mainstream but piss off all geeks" Jun 20 21:49:18 the n810 is more sleek than n900 Jun 20 21:50:56 vldcnst it s rumors. But hum no keyboard will made this MeeGo a NoGo for me Jun 20 21:51:27 no stylus either and very likely a capacitative touchscreen Jun 20 21:51:29 trumee: I'm back Jun 20 21:51:38 Khertan_n900: there are rumours this will be the consumer device and the dev (n950?) will be the one with qwerty and stuff Jun 20 21:52:09 but no resisitve either Jun 20 21:52:29 no freenode too Jun 20 21:52:35 :) Jun 20 21:52:39 spiiiit. Jun 20 21:52:43 oh. Jun 20 21:52:47 I meant split. Jun 20 21:52:56 but spit was good too. Jun 20 21:53:31 oh god if it s true i hope a real manufacturer will give us a MeeGo Handset ! Jun 20 21:54:11 And why announce that so late in the night for European. Europe is clearly not a targeted market Jun 20 21:54:17 what's the difference between Global Version and UK version from Maemo's releases? Jun 20 21:54:27 singapore is, khertan. Jun 20 21:55:31 someone? Jun 20 21:56:17 javispedro singapore is'nt buying chineese meego device ? Jun 20 21:56:26 :) Jun 20 22:00:50 no one? Jun 20 22:01:16 someone what? Jun 20 22:01:52 what's the difference between Global Version and UK version from Maemo's releases? Can i use a UK version in a phone from BRAZIL? Jun 20 22:01:58 khertan: singapore buys anything once elop plants atrojan horse in the country Jun 20 22:02:00 ! Jun 20 22:03:12 angelox_123: its just software, you can reflash the international firmware image anyways Jun 20 22:03:31 the only hardware difference could be the keyboard layout Jun 20 22:03:46 ok,so i can flash? Jun 20 22:03:51 without problems Jun 20 22:03:55 <_trine> I would like to know what the difference is between the UK version and others Jun 20 22:04:06 yes i think so Jun 20 22:04:12 ok thanks Jun 20 22:04:40 maybe some regulation .. radio transmitter and receiver frequency range? Jun 20 22:04:47 <_trine> I just wonder why they go to the trouble of having different versions Jun 20 22:06:52 ok thanks Jun 20 22:07:28 the qt sdk 1.1 is the way to go (no sandbox no more?) when developing for the n900 on maemo freemantle? Jun 20 22:18:37 Anyone with a solution for this? Unable to enumerate USB buses! Already tried manage blacklist Jun 20 22:19:00 try sudo flasher .... Jun 20 22:19:12 already as root Jun 20 22:23:18 how can we see a list of applications which are in a postpone execution with alarmd ? Jun 20 22:55:09 Arbitrary TLDs Jun 20 22:55:11 I like it. Jun 20 22:55:17 Indeed. Jun 20 22:55:28 http://GeneralAntilles/ could work Jun 20 22:55:30 I wonder how many big companies are going to buy in. Jun 20 22:55:35 All you need is to plop down $150K Jun 20 22:55:38 If only I had $180,000 Jun 20 22:55:43 app.ple Jun 20 22:55:47 Is it 180K, or 180k/year? Jun 20 22:55:55 linux Jun 20 22:56:54 Don't remember. Jun 20 22:57:55 Indeed - I'm unlikely to be buying it. Jun 20 22:58:00 I do have a four letter .com Jun 20 22:58:03 But - ... :) Jun 21 00:17:10 * SpeedEvil ponders the virtues of staying up another hour. Jun 21 00:18:23 'iTWire reported they received an invitation from Nokia Australia for an announcement and demo of a “new market disrupting device” on June 21st.' - it's a ICBM, running meego, pointed at Cupertino. Jun 21 00:20:59 great Jun 21 00:22:52 hmm so it really not just rumors? Jun 21 00:22:58 its even Jun 21 00:28:07 'a market disrupting device' does not inherently mean a purchasable device. Jun 21 00:28:31 It could be something new and innovative that nobodies thought of before, like a netbook, into which plugs a phone. Jun 21 00:29:32 true Jun 21 00:31:06 well, that's already existing :-) Jun 21 00:31:17 I know. Jun 21 00:32:31 * SpeedEvil says screwit, and gets a coffee and begins assembling his teeny oven. Jun 21 00:49:30 hmmmm coffee Jun 21 00:50:18 ~xyawn Jun 21 00:50:18 rumour has it, xyawn is nap Jun 21 00:50:35 her advice is different Jun 21 00:51:02 On a random matter. I s anyone aware of reverse engineering of Opera Turbo? Jun 21 00:53:08 ##nokiacnxn Jun 21 00:53:59 Because in here, it might cause the flow of vibrant communication to be disrupted. Jun 21 00:55:36 Will the Nokia Connection event be streamed? Jun 21 00:56:46 dragly, Yes. Jun 21 00:58:37 so we will get another nokia phone running what? Jun 21 00:59:11 Ken-Young: Where? I haven't seen any links. And bambuser seems to be down at the moment. Jun 21 00:59:28 (Not sure if I'll stay up, though.) Jun 21 00:59:38 dragly, I was afraid you'd ask me that. I'll hunt around for it. Jun 21 01:00:33 Ken-Young: Thanks! :) I have been hunting around on the event website, the "EPIC" thread and more, but without success :( Jun 21 01:01:11 dragly, Oh God - nobody will ever find anything in the Epic Thread. Jun 21 01:02:30 been searchenf round nhe connection site for hours trying to find link Jun 21 01:02:56 Ken-Young: I figured that out. Every time I've been looking at it there is another page. And I've set the Talk settings to list 40 posts or so on each page. Jun 21 01:03:03 supposedly itll be up at http://www.nokiaconnection.net/?sf1664920=1 Jun 21 01:03:08 I've read it will be streamed here: http://www.nokiaconnection.net/index.php Jun 21 01:03:17 If something is disruptive today, it is the traffic in that thread. Jun 21 01:03:30 It's scrolling faster than /b/ Jun 21 01:04:00 that is what i heave read too Ken-Young / nid0 Jun 21 01:04:23 dragly, This page: http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/13019_Nokia_Connection_event_takes_p.php claims it will be streamed at that site. Jun 21 01:05:25 Ken-Young: Thanks. I suppose they are running around thinking about everything else but to set up the stream over in Singapore right now. Jun 21 01:05:55 loft306, My experience has been these streamed sessions work about 10% of the times that they are advertised. Jun 21 01:06:21 if your on the rite os with the rite browser Jun 21 01:06:40 anssh the whole bloody thing dont crash Jun 21 01:06:51 it is amazing how huge globocorps can struggle with making a video of a planned-in-advance-for-ages event available online Jun 21 01:07:48 indeed Jun 21 01:08:01 TexRat will be tweeting during the event. That might be a safer bet. Jun 21 01:08:14 Yes. I've been attending to a few events where the video surfaces 6-7 months later or even never. But that was mostly non-profits with volunteers. Jun 21 01:08:36 well, I think I'm completely comfortable with waiting here for the "news" impacting Jun 21 01:09:42 I was just hoping Nokia would have things set up in due time. Jun 21 01:09:56 *yawn* Jun 21 01:10:02 DocScrutinizer: You're right :) Might as well wait for the pics and videos to surface. Jun 21 01:10:04 hey its Nokia Jun 21 01:10:21 that and ontime dont go in tehsame sentance Jun 21 01:10:33 i thought it was an hour from now Jun 21 01:10:46 ShadowJK, THat's right. Jun 21 01:10:50 But I must admit I was looking forward to see how Elop would present Meego. Would he look excited? Jun 21 01:10:53 right Jun 21 01:11:39 * DocScrutinizer wonders why everybody is so excited about presentation of s stylish toaster with rubber feet Jun 21 01:11:57 loft306: Haha. We should probably wait till next week for the event to actually have happened. Jun 21 01:12:11 I MUST KNOW NOW Jun 21 01:12:13 awww Jun 21 01:12:32 DocScrutinizer: I'm not excited about Elop's presentation. I'm just really curious if his love for WP will shine through or not :-p Jun 21 01:14:18 Well at least Elop has the sense to hold the event as far as possible from the place Gates got the pie thrown in his face. Jun 21 01:14:28 haha Jun 21 01:14:34 ##nokiacnxn Jun 21 01:14:56 Ken-Young: Hehehe :D Jun 21 01:14:59 WHAT? Jun 21 01:15:21 GeneralAntilles: any further explanations about that chan?? Jun 21 01:15:21 DocScrutinizer, BE THERE Jun 21 01:15:27 why? Jun 21 01:15:34 DocScrutinizer, just the channel for the conference chatter. Jun 21 01:15:42 All the cool people are there. Jun 21 01:15:44 mmpf Jun 21 01:17:44 DocScrutinizer, excepting you, though. :P Jun 21 01:20:23 good Jun 21 01:21:07 tbh I don't give a flying F* about what Nokia is going to announce Jun 21 01:21:44 DocScrutinizer: Not interested? Or tired of Nokia? Jun 21 01:21:47 I've put my money on "SUCKS" like 18h ago Jun 21 01:22:00 DocScrutinizer, well, come whine with us. Jun 21 01:22:28 Don't spoil Christmas Eve! Jun 21 01:22:28 DocScrutinizer: Hehe. I see. Jun 21 01:22:55 I know we'll get socks, but we can still hope for 40 more minutes. Jun 21 01:23:19 Are we getting socks?! :o Jun 21 01:23:40 Used. Jun 21 01:23:41 this seems more like a wedding where everybody likes to join just to cry about why it's not him/her that is standing there saying "yes" Jun 21 01:23:46 My expectations just raised to a new level. Jun 21 01:23:55 And now you lowered them again... Jun 21 01:24:38 DocScrutinizer: Nice analogy. Jun 21 01:25:34 while I think "fsck off, bitch" Jun 21 01:30:55 http://streamstudio.world-television.com/CCUIv3/frameset.aspx?ticket=678-750-9907&target=en-default-&status=preview&browser=ns-0-0-0-10-0&stream=flash-video-500 Jun 21 01:31:28 loft306, Thanks! Jun 21 01:33:50 np it popped up in the channel ch e chatter went to Jun 21 01:35:15 https://twitter.com/#!/nokia/status/82982390078771201 though just points to same stream Jun 21 01:37:03 So, DocScrutinizer, if you've gu pinning your hopes on these days?iven up on Nokia, what phone, if any, are yo Jun 21 01:37:41 So, DocScrutinizer, if you've given up on Nokia, what phone, if any, are yoyou pinning your hopes on these days (sorrya about the glitch)? Jun 21 01:37:48 N900, what else Jun 21 01:37:56 Good man! Jun 21 01:38:12 Are you playing with Meego? Jun 21 01:38:18 no Jun 21 01:38:45 I'm just starting about making myself feel comfy with maemo Jun 21 01:39:20 I'm one of that sort of guys that always visit same place for holiday, you know Jun 21 01:39:50 Do you find the gta04 interesting at all? Jun 21 01:40:06 I'm not testing a new brand of tea each week Jun 21 01:40:27 Ken-Young: basically gta04 is interesting, but stillborn Jun 21 01:42:13 and honestly, the LCM and case are both crap ;-D Jun 21 01:42:56 the LCD is not bad at all, but the touchpannel is abysmal Jun 21 01:44:11 err, well. Even the LCD controller is a piece of crap Jun 21 01:44:28 Well, I'm impressed with what they've done. I never thought they'd produce anything. I am glad I was wrong. Jun 21 01:44:57 indeed, Nikolaus did an amazing job Jun 21 01:44:58 mornin' all Jun 21 01:45:45 morn johnx Jun 21 01:45:47 Morning. Jun 21 01:47:37 Ken-Young: and still I don't see this device ever passing GSM cert, simply for economic reasons. So basically you must not use it as a phone Jun 21 01:48:36 I'd even questionable if selling it is legal Jun 21 01:48:52 It's* Jun 21 01:49:26 DocScrutinizer, I'll bet I can use it on T-Mobile anyway (if I can get one). T-Mobile doesn't seem to care at all what phone you use on their network. Jun 21 01:50:03 no carrier except a few rogue ones in Korea and Japan does Jun 21 01:50:55 ut users might run into severe trouble whenever somebody really cares Jun 21 01:51:39 * ShadowJK tried a imei:000000... device once, didn't work Jun 21 01:51:49 I'll certainly buy one if I ever get the opportunity to do so. It's gotta be the all-time nerdliest phone. Jun 21 01:52:39 Ken-Young: which phone? I am in Thailand and can get most wierd stuff;) Jun 21 01:52:47 it's definitely illegal to use uncertified transmitters, unless you are a developer or got a amateur radio licence - and even then you mustn't use sucha device as a regular everyday phone Jun 21 01:53:06 DocScrutinizer, I've got a Ham license... Jun 21 01:53:26 then you know about the situation and legislation Jun 21 01:53:36 jpinxrem1teshell, We're discussing the gta04 phone, the community-developed successor to the Openmoko Freerunner. Jun 21 01:53:56 DocScrutinizer, I'll just send morse code. Jun 21 01:54:44 well, it's not exactly community-developed Jun 21 01:54:45 * jpinx googles... Jun 21 01:55:09 gta04 phone, the community-developed successor to the Openmoko Freerunner. Jun 21 01:55:12 jpinx: searchword goldelico Jun 21 01:55:26 Well, Beagleboard/Freerunner Frankenstein monser, then. Jun 21 01:55:34 s/monser/monster/ Jun 21 01:55:34 Ken-Young meant: Well, Beagleboard/Freerunner Frankenstein monster, then. Jun 21 01:56:35 it's more like Nikolaus decided to do the job all on his own (with a little help from 1 or 2 others unknown) Jun 21 01:57:00 community contribution been, well... exactly zero Jun 21 01:57:44 DocScrutinizer, I was unaware of that. Jun 21 01:58:06 for community driven hw development, check out qi-hardware, even #qi-hardware, the successor of the better parts of Openmoko Jun 21 01:58:50 google for atben/atusb to find true community driven hw development Jun 21 01:59:02 That hardware's just a bit too limited for my taste. It's like a 1990 pocket organizer. Jun 21 01:59:44 the Ben NanoNote? indeed, it's not meant to be anything beyond that Jun 21 02:00:17 I know. But if you have to be that limited to be fully open, I don't think it's worth it. Jun 21 02:00:59 you're free to start a more ambitioned project over there. I bet you're welcome Jun 21 02:02:56 DocScrutinizer, I've corresponded a very little bit with them, but I have no hardware skills. Jun 21 02:03:24 I pat myself on the back for an hour when I get a flashlight working. Jun 21 02:03:39 funny enough how excitement about that supposed disruptive new device of Nokia seized all this chan, while #meego* went without taking any notice Jun 21 02:03:56 ##nokiacnxn Jun 21 02:03:59 Be there or be square. Jun 21 02:04:18 see what I meant? :-P Jun 21 02:04:33 looks lke fun :)heh Jun 21 02:05:52 I'm demonstrating what's my attitude towards Nokia roadmap and new devices emerging from that, by ignoring this chan, the event, and everything about it Jun 21 02:07:40 honestly whatever it is they may announce, I neither like the guy announcing it nor by any chance the announced item itself Jun 21 02:09:31 at very best it boils down to "this is our first and last 'meego' device, comes with an OS chimera that we think looks really cute in the eyes of an andridiot" Jun 21 02:09:59 DocScrutinizer, ssssh. Jun 21 02:11:20 otoh, witnessing the flying tomatoes could be real fun, so... /joining Jun 21 02:21:28 fuckin hoax Jun 21 02:21:53 DocScrutinizer, You're watching the stream? Jun 21 02:21:58 no way Jun 21 02:22:18 "you need to enable cookies on your brwoser" what definitely I did Jun 21 02:22:21 or Jun 21 02:22:30 "recursive link, aborted" Jun 21 02:22:37 or Jun 21 02:22:41 simply stalling Jun 21 02:22:43 yes this page is so fucked. Jun 21 02:23:22 I already regret going outa my way and paying any attention to this fsckup Jun 21 02:23:46 in the end I'll win my bet on "SUCKS", no matter what Jun 21 02:25:19 and if there's really a huge stinking foul ostrich egg hitting and killing Elop, I'm sure I'll see the pretty cut edition on youtube tomorrow Jun 21 02:26:23 just next to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE Jun 21 02:27:01 if no such event, it's a rather boring way to waste my time anyway, to watch that presentation Jun 21 02:28:53 I mean it's not like watching p0rn to see Elop pulling a pink device out of his pocket Jun 21 02:32:45 wtf is she doing with her jaws? Jun 21 02:33:01 eating some food remains or what? Jun 21 02:35:41 freenode: >>We would like to express our thanks to those individual donors and corporate sponsors who made the 2008/2009 fundraiser a massive success! In particular, Canonical Ltd (you know, the company behind Ubuntu, who generously donated £1700.00!).<< ROTFL GBP1700 Jun 21 02:36:09 lol Jun 21 02:36:36 good morning Jun 21 02:36:43 honestly shuttleworth better hadn't done this at all Jun 21 02:38:58 Termana: morning Jun 21 02:42:06 honestly shuttleworth better hadn't done this at all <--- has anyone really been far even decided to use even go want to do look more like? Jun 21 02:42:32 Are you meaning to say - it would have been better for him if had not donated the money? Jun 21 02:42:59 Termana: parser segfailt Jun 21 02:44:29 Termana: a multimillion $$$ company donating 1700 GBP just looks really really bad. Better do nothing than this Jun 21 02:45:31 I mean that's probably the anount of electric energy the freenode servers need for one week hosting #ubuntu Jun 21 02:47:19 ##nokiacnxn Jun 21 02:47:38 so if *you* went to donate 1700GBP to freenode fundraiser campaign as you're so happy about #ubuntu, everybody says "kudos". If ""ubuntu"" themselves aka canonical is donating 1700, it's a nasty joke Jun 21 02:49:00 * DocScrutinizer is wondering if everybody joining that nonsense over in that other chan already got drunk by now Jun 21 02:49:48 or committed suicide as Nokia announced they opted to go for winCE for their new devices Jun 21 02:50:05 go yocto go Jun 21 02:50:48 err? Jun 21 02:52:31 * jpinx agrees with DocScrutinizer Jun 21 02:52:39 nokia have lost it,,, Jun 21 02:53:12 N9 Jun 21 02:53:13 shame, they used to make good phones, but lost the plot some years ago Jun 21 02:54:05 yeah, watching Elop isn't exactly like watching the drowning man, as Elop is more like the one supposed to help but actually pushing the drowning one under water even more, deliberately Jun 21 02:54:20 loft306: wut? Jun 21 02:54:29 they kust announced it Jun 21 02:54:35 just Jun 21 02:54:46 oh WOW *cough* giggle Jun 21 02:54:54 loft306, THey still haven't mentioned the OS> Jun 21 02:55:09 not yet Jun 21 02:55:22 which definitely will be "meego"-harmattan chimera crap Jun 21 02:55:25 can't afford to shutdown the market by dropping too much in a single day ;) Jun 21 02:55:37 -tould me harmattas Jun 21 02:56:07 nyping with kb in lap aint easy Jun 21 02:56:14 [2011-06-21 04:07:32] at very best it boils down to "this is our first and last 'meego' device, comes with an OS chimera that we think looks really cute in the eyes of an andridiot" Jun 21 02:56:31 it spoke volumes when the main guy for meego left Jun 21 02:57:44 extended leave? Jun 21 02:57:52 Doesn't Baldy know we want to see him run a python script in a shell window? Jun 21 02:58:26 you mean the time it takes CE to boot? ;) Jun 21 02:58:29 bet he never heard about shell windows or python Jun 21 02:59:06 ds3: ECHAN? Jun 21 02:59:33 http://webcast.nokia.com/CCUIv3/imageSlides.aspx?image=slide_065&status=live&ticket=678-750-9907&target=en Jun 21 02:59:55 only 8mp carl zeiss **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 21 02:59:56 2011