**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 25 02:59:57 2011 Jun 25 03:11:53 i would like that background Jun 25 03:12:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCuxZm9Mm4k Jun 25 03:12:49 one of the best songs of the 80s Jun 25 03:12:56 so far ahead of its time Jun 25 03:23:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo_OxN_j7c download this Jun 25 04:25:05 moo Jun 25 04:28:45 Touching: Everest Climber Discovers Missing Friend Preserved in Ice Jun 25 04:31:01 that's *puts on glasses* ...really cool. Jun 25 04:31:05 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH Jun 25 05:01:11 Just need to figure out the best place on the osmocombb project to ask about Cell Broadcast stuff Jun 25 05:01:19 maybe someone there has info on how Cell Broadcast works Jun 25 05:44:25 http://goput.it/str/gy6.png Jun 25 05:44:44 anyone have any ideas to fix the date? Jun 25 05:44:51 it is taking up way too much space Jun 25 06:22:04 good morning Jun 25 06:23:48 nn Jun 25 06:23:55 bah, cant find any info on Cell Broadcast SMS Jun 25 06:23:59 or how to parse them properly Jun 25 06:26:39 jonwil, it's a bug, and probably wontfix for the n900 Jun 25 06:26:55 I am working on stuff for it actually Jun 25 06:27:02 ah Jun 25 06:27:13 I posted to the developer list with details already Jun 25 06:27:38 With a patch to libsms, its possible to get the CBSMS stuff to work' Jun 25 06:27:47 and I can read it through the IncomingCBS signal Jun 25 06:27:56 but the trick is understsanding how to parse the data once I get it Jun 25 06:28:03 and what the best way to display it is Jun 25 06:32:29 ugh, i've run out of ideas Jun 25 06:33:05 * SpeedEvil wishes he could run out of ideas. Jun 25 06:34:00 speedevil, saw the latest concepts for the lock screen? Jun 25 06:34:06 no Jun 25 06:34:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038569#post1038569 Jun 25 06:36:38 How's it accessed - you tap it? Jun 25 06:37:48 Oh - sorry - this is for n900 Jun 25 06:37:53 * SpeedEvil has brainfade. Jun 25 06:38:12 Looks OK. Jun 25 06:38:50 What does the > mean at unread messages Jun 25 06:39:04 you slide it to the right Jun 25 06:39:14 and for missed calls, you slide it to the left Jun 25 06:39:21 ah Jun 25 06:39:36 hmm nice one Jun 25 06:39:45 though the media player really is a pointless thing in there Jun 25 06:41:01 it's supposed to disappear when you're not using the media player Jun 25 06:41:25 so basically I Should never see it then... Jun 25 06:41:41 still it will take up space instead of having a larger clock display won't it? Jun 25 06:41:41 having the media player on the lock screen is convenient... for the people that use the n900 as a PMP Jun 25 06:42:00 ruskie, the media player will disappear if mafw is not running Jun 25 06:42:42 but the empty space will still be there... won't it? Jun 25 06:43:13 it'll be taken up by the clock Jun 25 06:43:26 ow? it resizes? Jun 25 06:43:32 yeah, i guess Jun 25 06:43:40 qml does wonders Jun 25 06:43:44 basically, i dont know what else to put in there Jun 25 06:43:57 does it resize vertically as well? Jun 25 06:45:14 is paravirutalizaiton possible on n900? like can i run two OS using a hypervisor or something? Jun 25 06:45:22 that's for portrait mode Jun 25 06:45:31 i'll do more mockups for portrait Jun 25 06:46:42 any chance of having a configuration app that would allow a person to pick and choose what is included on the screen? Jun 25 06:48:38 * jonwil hopes he can find someone out there that knows how to decode Cell Broadcast SMS Jun 25 06:48:47 i'm not the one who's coding it - it's all up to MAG Jun 25 06:48:52 ahh Jun 25 06:49:13 although hopefully it can be done via gconf Jun 25 06:50:31 http://goput.it/str/2wc.png Jun 25 06:50:34 this better? Jun 25 06:51:07 a lot of people were asking for the icons to be done Jun 25 06:56:43 maemo rocks Jun 25 06:59:13 i agree Jun 25 07:01:55 reenignEesreveR: a quick google suggests that while it might be theoretically possible to implement paravirtualization on arm, not much work has been done so far, and that which has is limited to the latest generation of processors. Jun 25 07:04:43 I think the N900 with Maemo has a bright future ahead of it as long as there are developers out there willing to work on improvements like lock-screen, open-source-mediaplayer, CBSMS, CSSU and other projects Jun 25 07:04:45 Hmmm Jun 25 07:04:56 Am I correct that one cannot share source files between Android projects? Jun 25 07:06:04 jonwil: i agree. the only "fly in the ointment" as i see it, Jun 25 07:06:43 is that as the n900 hardware looks more and more limited when compared to newer devices, developer interest may wane. Jun 25 07:06:53 maybe Jun 25 07:06:59 I have no plans to replace my N900 though Jun 25 07:07:02 ive seen a similar thing happen with the sharp zaurus line. Jun 25 07:07:07 i agree. Jun 25 07:07:17 one thing which the n900 has going for it, Jun 25 07:07:20 :( Jun 25 07:07:23 is that for a certain class of user, Jun 25 07:07:37 I would only replace it if something that is just as open becomes available Jun 25 07:07:39 (the *nix geek) i doubt there will be anything better for a VERY long time (if ever) Jun 25 07:07:54 Oh and it HAS to have a physical keyboard Jun 25 07:08:19 Lack of physical keyboard is the #1 reason I didnt buy a Nexus S Jun 25 07:08:38 as soon as i have the funds available i plan to buy another boxed sim free n900 to keep for when something happens to my existing one. Jun 25 07:12:52 i dropped my n900 on tar road a few times and it is still working perfectly. Jun 25 07:16:44 Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding Jun 25 07:16:52 if I can figure out how to make sense of it or use it Jun 25 07:17:12 Maybe I should ask on the ofono IRC or mailing list... Jun 25 07:17:53 juanmooke: my biggest fear is actually hosing the charger. Jun 25 07:18:06 every time i plug that usb in and remove it my heart is in my mouth. Jun 25 07:18:23 I think the USB port on the phone is more likely to be broken than the charger Jun 25 07:18:29 yeah Jun 25 07:18:32 thats what i mean Jun 25 07:18:57 knowing that no other phone that exists is able to provide the experience i crave, and that one is never likely to be made again. Jun 25 07:19:08 and that stocks of n900s are fast running out. Jun 25 07:19:12 *shudder* Jun 25 07:19:30 noooo ,so far mine is still in good condition.. Jun 25 07:21:05 moo Jun 25 07:21:41 meanwhile, if you're wondering which cute "app" to code next: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038588#post1038588 Jun 25 07:23:23 HRH_H_Crab i keep on starring into my usb after u mentioned it.. Jun 25 07:24:19 yeah there are literally only 3 things i can think of to improve on the n900. more cpu, more ram, a sturdier usb port. Jun 25 07:24:30 and to be fair i can probably live without the first two. Jun 25 07:25:30 Freaking Android SDK does not appear to allow sharing code and resources between projects Jun 25 07:25:33 How exciting! Jun 25 07:26:49 ( Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding) see http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS def deoctify(arr): for PDU conversion Jun 25 07:28:33 Thats python code, I dont know the first thing about python :P Jun 25 07:28:36 C and C++ I can do Jun 25 07:29:39 plus ofono code has other stuff to deal with CBSMS assembly and things Jun 25 07:31:52 http://xkcd.com/916/ Jun 25 07:34:29 http://goput.it/6pe.png Jun 25 07:34:32 oops Jun 25 07:34:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038600&postcount=68 Jun 25 07:34:52 finally, a pretty much final design Jun 25 07:35:16 * RST38h pleads to the Tentacled One to feast on Android Platform people Jun 25 07:35:23 Wait. I guess He already did. Jun 25 07:38:13 HRH_H_Crab: Dock connector Jun 25 07:38:49 nah, i dont need one of those. Jun 25 07:39:15 Oh, fuck, its XML include statement does not have a notion of file system paths either =( Jun 25 07:39:32 HRH_H_Crab: Dock connector = USB port that you use 99% of the time Jun 25 07:39:41 test Jun 25 07:39:52 DocScrutinizer ops Jun 25 07:39:54 !ops Jun 25 07:40:19 ajcutshall and Cybergeek2021 need banninated - they're PMing people who talk automatically Jun 25 07:40:33 SpeedEvil: i (think) i see what you are saying, but it would surely be easier to just make a less fragile usb port! ;) Jun 25 07:40:40 Not really Jun 25 07:41:01 It can be made slightly less fragile by going to a through-hole part in principle. Jun 25 07:41:10 But it's still not an actual sane connector for docking. Jun 25 07:41:22 McInUser82673 was also doing that talking thing Jun 25 07:47:07 dragly: by the way, does you n950 have 16G or 64G? Jun 25 07:54:43 Corsac: I think I heard the N950s have 32G Jun 25 07:54:47 ohai corsac Jun 25 07:55:18 i've given up on opening up the image, it's like banging rocks together Jun 25 07:55:42 you don't like banging rocks? :) Jun 25 07:56:09 what the f? when i typed that in, norfanin2, marmot2,swiggy,oblenob2,pixie2 /msg'd me Jun 25 07:56:49 ircops get in here asap Jun 25 07:56:52 yeah Jun 25 07:57:01 On an unrelated matter. Jun 25 07:57:13 Does anyone know if hte nice nokia speakers are released? Jun 25 07:57:33 iirc not until the n9 comes out Jun 25 07:57:47 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jun 25 07:58:06 Those people need banned. They're presumably attempting to excess flood people who talk off. Jun 25 07:58:35 SpeedEvil: Nice speakers, aand I love the concept of joining two to get stereo. Pricey though. Jun 25 07:58:36 do they CTCP too? (I ignore that but...) Jun 25 07:58:43 Grrr. Jun 25 07:58:44 Jaffa: Probably Jun 25 07:58:49 ugh, i cant remember that irc mode where you need to be in the same channel to /msg people Jun 25 07:59:01 SpeedEvil: Announcement said 149eur each Jun 25 07:59:27 yowch, that's pricey Jun 25 07:59:32 what? Jun 25 07:59:42 SpeedEvil: OP needed? Jun 25 07:59:43 149eur for the speakers Jun 25 07:59:54 wazzup? Jun 25 08:00:01 doc, they're in a different channel Jun 25 08:00:02 149 each! Wow. Jun 25 08:00:06 you probably need netop Jun 25 08:00:12 haha Jun 25 08:00:32 I'd be surprised if they're in any channel Jun 25 08:01:14 they're all on the 74.63./16 range Jun 25 08:01:56 you're free to /join #freenode and bring the issue to staffers' attention Jun 25 08:02:15 Please don't comment on/discuss the spam/trolls Jun 25 08:02:18 damn pdpc Jun 25 08:02:23 they'll get k-lined in no time - given any staffer is active Jun 25 08:03:10 ok, trying umode +R Jun 25 08:03:25 damn idiots, now they got me too Jun 25 08:04:07 Sooner or later, they're gonna be numerous enough to excess flood Jun 25 08:04:22 testing mode +R. Jun 25 08:04:30 it works! Jun 25 08:04:44 no more spam Jun 25 08:04:50 you might want to ban ajcutshall Jun 25 08:07:00 test Jun 25 08:10:14 I think freenode is taking care - runaway IRCbot aiui Jun 25 08:10:37 umm, not yet Jun 25 08:11:14 ah, broken ircbots, how i hate thee Jun 25 08:11:16 DocScrutinizer: ajcutshall is the first who pm-ed me, has joined first, is on the same host and as the same real name Jun 25 08:11:23 anyway, could somebody grep user list of this chan for hostmasks like 74.63.*.* please Jun 25 08:11:55 /lastlog 74.63 gives him and two others which left Jun 25 08:12:16 but banning 74.63.0.0/16 could be a starting point in case they try to come back Jun 25 08:13:56 which reminds me, we don't have a !kickban alias on this channel? Jun 25 08:14:37 why would it be needed? Jun 25 08:15:14 mostly allows mods to quickly kickban swaths of users just in case Jun 25 08:15:25 anyways, brb going to play GTA IV Jun 25 08:15:57 you have network ops for that Jun 25 08:16:05 this isn't ircnet or some other network ;) Jun 25 08:16:15 Hurrian: chan alias?? Jun 25 08:16:27 what's that? Jun 25 08:17:48 DocScrutinizer, on my homeland IRC network, we have a !kb $USERS command that ops can use to instantly ban and kick errant users Jun 25 08:17:50 now what a moron been THAT? Jun 25 08:18:18 mostly because a lot of the mods cant be assed to learn mode commands Jun 25 08:18:45 I can use /kickban but that's just a macro of my client. I don't think there's any such thing like chan specific public macros Jun 25 08:19:01 usually a bot is used to handle !commands Jun 25 08:19:08 indeed Jun 25 08:19:13 we got no such bot Jun 25 08:19:24 !hello Jun 25 08:19:32 ~botsnack Jun 25 08:19:32 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Jun 25 08:19:47 ~kickban Jun 25 08:19:50 infobot has no chanops Jun 25 08:19:53 true Jun 25 08:20:11 I have ;-) Jun 25 08:20:12 Well, considering most clients - Like xchat - have nice easy ways to kick/ban/unban etc... Jun 25 08:20:19 I'm better tan any bot ;-P Jun 25 08:20:19 yup Jun 25 08:20:58 then there's also chanserv which also knows kickban cmd Jun 25 08:22:05 err, maybe not Jun 25 08:22:47 aaah akick Jun 25 08:25:18 //cs akick # #maemo add *!*@74.63.0.0/16 sorry! | spambot messaging all speaking user of chan with private query Jun 25 08:25:53 I don't really see the reason for this "double buffered" action though Jun 25 08:33:04 duck and cover, I'm going to remove +b 74.63.*.*, as #freenode says "it's handled" Jun 25 08:35:00 * DocScrutinizer ponders how to exploit infobot to deal with such cases Jun 25 08:35:51 oh no, doc. Don't give me that burden Jun 25 08:36:20 ~botsnack Jun 25 08:36:20 DocScrutinizer: thanks Jun 25 08:40:43 Hello. Jun 25 08:41:27 Is there any "light" version of maemo for n810 to be a base for lightweight distro for my n810? Jun 25 08:41:33 (with e17, etc) Jun 25 08:41:49 Kernel and drivers from Diablo. Jun 25 08:42:08 But no hildon. Jun 25 08:42:51 Deblet ran e17 okayish. Jun 25 08:43:08 I wonder if that's still around somewhere. Jun 25 08:43:42 But, will be enough for everyday use? Jun 25 08:44:13 It isn't dead? Jun 25 08:45:15 Ah, looks like http://packages.linuxniche.net/deblet/ is still around, at least. Jun 25 08:45:40 'dead' is an ambiguous word, perhaps you'd like to more carefully manage your implications? Jun 25 08:46:01 not active developed? Jun 25 08:46:27 Deblet is, generally, what? Jun 25 08:46:40 That implication applies to varying levels to everything that would run on the n810. Jun 25 08:47:14 Right, n810 is "dead". Jun 25 08:47:49 Where I can read something about Deblet? Jun 25 08:48:03 I think there's a Meego porting effort, but it's rather limited what with basically everything Meego-related requiring a lot of acceleration. Jun 25 08:48:15 Uh... let's see, what threads are still useful. Jun 25 08:48:18 hmm.. Jun 25 08:48:22 Meego is still not usable. Jun 25 08:48:35 And I'm afraid that igt never will be on n810. Jun 25 08:50:22 anybody still getting PM spam? Jun 25 08:50:40 hmm Jun 25 08:50:43 no Jun 25 08:52:51 good Jun 25 08:53:03 freenode staff seems has dealt with it Jun 25 08:53:47 cheers to freenode staff Jun 25 08:54:49 http://natisbad.org/N810/ looks workable Jun 25 08:56:17 natisbad has awesome stuff, and I like the URL ;-) Jun 25 08:56:46 IIRC Deblet had two problems; one was the Xorg omap server was a lot slower than Xomap, and the other was that there was no real power management being done on the wlan Jun 25 08:57:50 I also don't recall if anyone got WiMAX working, if that matters Jun 25 08:58:28 It's possible Mer will also do what you want, but I don't recall it having a lot of package interoperability with Debian, and it certainly didn't have prebuilt e17 packages like deblet already does. Jun 25 08:59:34 I think all the relevant people still camp out in #mer, so you can ask them what they think the path of least resistance to getting e17 running is. Jun 25 09:30:29 Can't help but think this Harmattan developer mode is a step back from having a good community repository installed and activated by default. Jun 25 09:41:56 alterego: it's straight from hell in my book Jun 25 09:43:17 [2011-06-24 13:59:13] I'm already happy to tell users "sorry, we can't make hostmode working, as it only would work in developer mode, and in developer mode all the apps that would make use of hostmode actually stop to work" Jun 25 09:43:18 [2011-06-24 14:00:01] nope, no joysticj with your acme hit'n'run game Jun 25 09:43:20 [2011-06-24 14:00:33] nope, no playback of video from external attached storage Jun 25 09:43:53 http://goput.it/str/t66.png Jun 25 09:44:03 what do you people think of a red missed call icon? Jun 25 09:44:13 Is the switch for "developer mode" the same boot time option for "open" and "closed" mode that was described back in Berlin? Jun 25 09:44:41 yes Jun 25 09:44:44 afaik Jun 25 09:45:32 alterego: Technically, apps.meego.com could be authorised to do X, Y & Z. Each repository is signed and given a maximum number of permissions it can expose for apps installed from it. Jun 25 09:45:32 >>> SDK for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. In-device tools, such as a terminal application and Nokia Energy Profiler. Some of the tools have a graphical user interface and can be found with the other applications, others can only be used using a command-line interface. To disable the tools, select and Security > Developer mode, and deactivate Developer mode. Do not remove the tools. Jun 25 09:49:14 ovi store doesn't work on n900 anymore? Jun 25 09:49:22 Jaffa: the implications of this whole aegis security framework concept are so manifold and complex, you can't really evaluate all of the nastiness we'll face once it's widely adopted Jun 25 09:49:35 it just tells me to update, no updates available Jun 25 09:49:47 DocScrutinizer: Yes, the technology is interesting - but what it exposes we won't know until we get to the device :-( Jun 25 09:50:43 FCC confidentiality's up. Jun 25 09:50:58 Jaffa: the technology is "interesting" - the original motivation and rationale is disgusting and driven solely by commercial interests, to protect the device from owner Jun 25 09:51:17 Jaffa: ? FCC Jun 25 09:51:36 they disclosed the manual, photos etc yesterday, yes Jun 25 09:51:44 DocScrutinizer: To try and get big movie studios to sell content for it as a mass-market device. Now it's not a mass-market device :-( Jun 25 09:51:58 DocScrutinizer: Yeah, for some reason I must have been swamped yesterday Jun 25 09:52:30 I got all the stuff and scrutinized it. We discussed it here in this chan Jun 25 09:52:32 sadly the pictures are not thaat high resolution so you can't identify many things Jun 25 09:53:00 yeah, no component labels Jun 25 09:53:04 :-/ Jun 25 09:53:16 oh, great, sygic doesn't provide maps for n900 anymore? should've bought it earlier I guess... Jun 25 09:53:48 joga: maps bitrot Jun 25 09:54:14 joga: there's mappero, marble... now Jun 25 09:54:36 none of them speak? a map program is useless for car without that Jun 25 09:54:42 both do Jun 25 09:54:45 well, almost useless Jun 25 09:54:47 oh? Jun 25 09:55:02 I have both installed and have never heard a squeak Jun 25 09:55:04 voice guidance, yes Jun 25 09:55:13 I guess I haven't found those features Jun 25 09:55:37 marble introduced it recently, mappero has it since quite some time, dunno since when exactly Jun 25 09:55:52 Are these programs Ovi store programs? Jun 25 09:55:59 or what? Jun 25 09:55:59 nope Jun 25 09:56:09 extras(-devel) Jun 25 09:56:12 just yesterday I tried finding it in mappero but failed...how to use it? Jun 25 09:56:18 oh...devel, right Jun 25 09:56:22 can't be good if it comes from extras ;) Jun 25 09:56:39 hehe Jun 25 09:56:47 Someone has built free-as-in-open-source voice navigation program? Wow, where are these guys getting their mapping data from? Jun 25 09:56:58 google etc I guess Jun 25 09:56:59 OSM Jun 25 09:57:17 OSM is great, Jun 25 09:57:24 both *can* use google too afaik Jun 25 09:57:28 I *really* would have liked to store all the maps on phone instead of relying on intarwebs though Jun 25 09:57:37 I guess they can do it though.. Jun 25 09:57:47 marble definitely has on-board navi now Jun 25 09:58:04 i.e. offline route calc via monav Jun 25 09:58:46 marble also has a maps download iirc Jun 25 09:58:53 Should see if there is a way to use Jun 25 09:59:06 use General Transit Feed Specificiation transit data with OpenStreetMap map data Jun 25 09:59:16 General Transit Feed data is what Google Transit uses Jun 25 09:59:26 and lots of transit companies publish their routes and timetables in that format :( Jun 25 09:59:28 :) Jun 25 09:59:54 /join #marble Jun 25 10:00:06 nice guys Jun 25 10:00:36 achipa: hi Jun 25 10:01:27 DocScrutinizer: hi Jun 25 10:01:40 achipa: authenticating to server via server password (which actually is your nickserv password) will help to avoid your original hostmask popping up here prior to getting your cloak applied Jun 25 10:02:18 [2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@a91-155-185-5.elisa-laajakaista.fi). Jun 25 10:02:19 [2011-06-25 11:57:51] <-- achipa hat den Server verlassen (Changing host). Jun 25 10:02:21 [2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@Maemo/community/council/achipa). Jun 25 10:02:26 yeah, yeah Jun 25 10:02:27 :) Jun 25 10:02:39 pidgin segfault when I try to do that for some reason Jun 25 10:02:48 lol Jun 25 10:02:51 hmm...I wonder if there's a feature in marble to "download visible region so that it's usable for routing", I'd like the whole of finland but a bit more than the state borders Jun 25 10:02:52 I think I'm going to reinstall soon anyway Jun 25 10:03:35 joga: afaik it's somewhere in context menu or whatever Jun 25 10:04:29 achipa: btw is there a public version of flasher with that wait for charge functionality? Jun 25 10:04:42 I can find download region but it says it would take 117kB when finland is visible so I'm pretty sure it takes what is visible and nothing more Jun 25 10:04:54 dm8tbr: err sorry? Jun 25 10:05:02 DocScrutinizer: talking about n9 Jun 25 10:05:05 wait for charge? Jun 25 10:05:06 dm8tbr: is the N950 FW available ? Jun 25 10:05:24 achipa: n950 is Jun 25 10:05:27 achipa: honestly, I wouldn't know where to check, that's why I asked Jun 25 10:05:36 get the flasher for N950 Jun 25 10:05:51 I'd have downloaded and stringed the binary :) Jun 25 10:06:02 ah...maybe it's the "tile level range" I need to adjust Jun 25 10:06:06 what's flasher wait-for-charge option? Jun 25 10:06:27 DocScrutinizer: it will make the device charge if it's deep discharged Jun 25 10:06:27 -Owait-charging is what you want Jun 25 10:06:35 tnx Jun 25 10:06:39 * dm8tbr takes a note Jun 25 10:06:48 dm8tbr: o.O Jun 25 10:07:07 wtf, that worked without flasher on N900 Jun 25 10:07:09 DocScrutinizer: this is crucial for the n9 as there you can't pop out the battery and put it in a different device Jun 25 10:07:25 dm8tbr: It's really not. Jun 25 10:07:31 indeed Jun 25 10:07:33 dm8tbr: If it's implemented properly. Jun 25 10:07:37 .oO(???) Jun 25 10:07:40 SpeedEvil: yes, IF :) Jun 25 10:07:43 I.E. thresholds set right. Jun 25 10:07:47 the point is you don't want power to go in the middle of flashing Jun 25 10:07:55 and the flash images area in some cases big Jun 25 10:07:57 For example - N900 with a slightly older battery will bootloop Jun 25 10:07:57 BIG Jun 25 10:08:05 This isn't a huge issue. Jun 25 10:08:13 But would be majorly annoying with a new n9 Jun 25 10:08:16 older n9 Jun 25 10:08:57 I guess it's some alternative to my suggested way to hold 'C' while booting, to tell NOLO to charge properly and not try to boot to a fsckdup system that won't complete charging Jun 25 10:09:20 difficult to hold 'C' when you don't have a keyb :) Jun 25 10:09:24 DocScrutinizer: where's the C key on the n9? :D Jun 25 10:09:57 hehe, that's why I said "alternative method" Jun 25 10:10:32 *usually* shouldn't be needed to recover from a flat battery Jun 25 10:10:47 just if your bme got hosed Jun 25 10:11:13 NOLO tends to boot up system to finish charging as soon as hw boots up Jun 25 10:11:35 heh, N900 is a lot more reliable in that area than some phones. Jun 25 10:11:41 that's why you get flashing deadlock when you try to flash with poorly charged batery Jun 25 10:11:44 someone who has used marble to download a region of a map...what are the levels I should use to get streets and usable routing? I see no relation in the levels to zoom scale etc Jun 25 10:12:12 joga: Z0 is global Jun 25 10:12:24 joga: Z10 is 4096 tiles round the equator. Jun 25 10:12:42 joga: Or a little over 10km a tile Jun 25 10:13:01 has someone succeeded in mounting nokia meego 1.2/harmattan rootfs? Jun 25 10:13:35 ok, time to send that email to the ofono mailing list Jun 25 10:13:37 ah yes. reminds me i need to gen tiles for tokyo region, need to have them offline and osm doesnt like me bulk downloading tiles :| Jun 25 10:13:42 joga: I don't know how exactly monav works, I think its using vector cards anyway Jun 25 10:13:50 SpeedEvil: maybe I'll just make it download a route then... Jun 25 10:13:51 unrelated to tiles Jun 25 10:14:08 joga: that works Jun 25 10:14:10 apparently there's also a 100000 tile download limit Jun 25 10:14:23 fair enough Jun 25 10:14:23 joga: The servers are on donated bandwidth - which is flat out Jun 25 10:14:33 and flaky internet here :) Jun 25 10:14:34 OSM servers are maxed out all the time Jun 25 10:14:43 does someone have any idea how much power the screen needs when backlight is off? Jun 25 10:14:47 And scraping tiles where nobody looks is painful, as it makes the server render 'useless' tiles. Jun 25 10:14:49 MohammadAG: yes Jun 25 10:14:54 MohammadAG: See the webpage Jun 25 10:14:56 That Debian for n810 is well-usable? Jun 25 10:15:06 SpeedEvil, got a brief comparison? Jun 25 10:15:09 yeah, i looked at downloading all the tiles i wanted and i figured theyd go apeshit on me if i dl a few million tiles :D Jun 25 10:15:11 (basically it's identical in terms of power with the backlight at minimum level and off) Jun 25 10:15:31 MohammadAG: SpeedEvil did an awesome comprehensive job on listing all those details on the webpage Jun 25 10:15:34 miniumum level would be 0, not the 1 in mce right? Jun 25 10:15:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Jun 25 10:15:45 MohammadAG: no Jun 25 10:15:51 * alterego sighs, still no delivery .. Jun 25 10:16:00 MohammadAG: I mean minimum level as in the dimmest on the afvanced backlight widget Jun 25 10:16:45 MohammadAG ! Jun 25 10:16:47 Screen on - no backlight - 80mA. brightest +150mA, one back from that - +40mA Jun 25 10:16:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038684&postcount=91 Jun 25 10:17:13 how many revisions of the design did i go thru while you were gone? Jun 25 10:17:42 I see that the CSSU is working on replacing a number of the closed source control panels and widgets (e.g. battery status widget) with open source clones, is there a list somewhere where people are suggesting or discussing which widgets to reimplement? Jun 25 10:17:43 SpeedEvil, so basically, we can keep the screen on for a lockscreen with minimum backlight? Jun 25 10:17:58 Hurrian, going though the whole thread Jun 25 10:18:18 MohammadAG: err - no Jun 25 10:18:21 MohammadAG: well - you can. Jun 25 10:18:27 MohammadAG: but battery life will suck Jun 25 10:18:31 jonwil: NB replacing battery widget is kinda missing the target Jun 25 10:18:33 As in you use 8%/hour or so Jun 25 10:19:11 well someone did replace the battery widget for some reason Jun 25 10:19:15 why I dont know :) Jun 25 10:19:35 Cool, fcc for n950 is open Jun 25 10:19:46 I think that's been MohammadAG and I think he did it simply because it can be done ;-D Jun 25 10:19:55 :) Jun 25 10:20:00 well someone cloned the calculator app Jun 25 10:20:01 alterego: yes, we all know Jun 25 10:21:00 Cant dl it on N900 :/ Jun 25 10:21:04 lame .. Jun 25 10:21:10 jonwil: what we *really* need though is a proper replacement for hald-addon-bme, so whole system will stay unchanged operational, no matter if bme is running or not Jun 25 10:21:24 jonwil: way better than replacing just the battery applet Jun 25 10:21:41 well the Harmattan SDK has a libbmeipc-dev package Jun 25 10:21:50 I know Jun 25 10:22:00 so it should be really easy Jun 25 10:22:08 agh...I still need to give the zoom levels to download the route and have no idea what I should put there so I can drive about 60km Jun 25 10:22:12 I already looked into that Jun 25 10:22:22 MohammadAG : is the lockscreen thread the most image heavy thread aside from the screenshot threads? Jun 25 10:22:52 Hurrian, no, you forgot the epic PR1.2 thread Jun 25 10:22:59 * MohammadAG pokes lcuk about that Jun 25 10:23:02 you just kick out the bottom half that talks to bme, and replace it by a function that derives info directly from /sys Jun 25 10:23:03 x:) Jun 25 10:23:31 MAG, i wasn't on TMO yet the time PR1.2 came out ;) Jun 25 10:24:04 SpeedEvil: do you have some tip what to put there for such a journey? Jun 25 10:24:46 joga: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ Jun 25 10:25:06 http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/16/60625/37921.png Jun 25 10:25:13 For example - one of hte images in the map Jun 25 10:25:17 That is Z16 Jun 25 10:25:35 jrayhawk: this Debian is usable? Jun 25 10:25:48 SpeedEvil: thanks, that helps Jun 25 10:26:14 http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/7577/4740.png And that's Z13 Jun 25 10:26:27 Z12 is useful for motorways and stuff Jun 25 10:26:31 Z10 for countries Jun 25 10:27:55 seems as though it doesn't really start any download...strange Jun 25 10:28:05 Hurrian, I was thinking of a button that I'd drag from the top to the middle Jun 25 10:28:10 or bottom Jun 25 10:29:46 MohammadAG , finished scanning the thread? Jun 25 10:29:56 Hurrian, yep :p Jun 25 10:30:46 so, what do you think? Jun 25 10:31:18 should the fields be split in landscape mode? Jun 25 10:31:39 or should I keep it all in one bar? Jun 25 10:34:35 marble doesn't download anything... :( Jun 25 10:35:15 joga: Check it's the current version - occasionally certain versions of clients get blacklisted because they don't comply with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy Jun 25 10:35:16 I've calced the route, told it to "download route" with proper levels (about 45MB), then press done, then nothing happens Jun 25 10:35:24 SpeedEvil ok.. Jun 25 10:35:47 it's 1.1.1 stable Jun 25 10:35:51 personally I think they should be split Jun 25 10:35:54 no point in cramming everything in one bar Jun 25 10:36:44 k, sure Jun 25 10:37:18 redesigning Jun 25 10:38:37 hmm Jun 25 10:38:45 FCC docs say the dev device has a 12MP cam Jun 25 10:39:51 maybe I'll try getting marble for -devel... Jun 25 10:41:46 * jonwil wonders why someone would want to clone the calculator app for the CSSU. Although that may have been so it can support portrait orientation... Jun 25 10:43:40 otwieracz: Yeah. My n810 spent a lot of time in Deblet. Jun 25 10:44:35 MohammadAG : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038706#post1038706 Jun 25 10:44:45 Morning Jun 25 10:45:25 On the whole, I don't think the stacking window model (such as e17's) was particulary wise on that hardware; I wound up using Awesome for everything. Jun 25 10:45:58 jrayhawk: 1GB SD card will not be enough? Jun 25 10:46:24 So long as you're careful, that'll probably work. Jun 25 10:46:33 MohammadAG : ...and we're back to the "usable with one hand" design paradigm. Jun 25 10:46:37 jrayhawk: how careful? Jun 25 10:46:47 Well, don't install any giant metapackages like gnome. Jun 25 10:47:11 APT::Install-Recommends "false"; would also help Jun 25 10:47:27 On my desktop I'm using WM which weights… 109K :) Jun 25 10:47:39 That's the spirit! Jun 25 10:47:54 dwm ftw! Jun 25 10:47:59 Hurrian, how come? Jun 25 10:48:05 two points: Jun 25 10:48:14 1) you're not supposed to using one hand with landscape mode Jun 25 10:48:16 (really, most useful WM I've ever seen) Jun 25 10:48:23 As for me, my next projects are to keep working on CBSMS dumping/decoding, work on improvements to FindMine to make it easier to play without accidentally clicking on a mine square by mistake, maybe create a clone of connui-home-cellular as that will provide help with stuff I need to know for CBSMS app Jun 25 10:48:29 2) if you meant notifications, then sliding them should be to the middle, not the far end Jun 25 10:48:30 And maybe also look into cloning hald-addon-bme Jun 25 10:48:42 MohammadAG: i meant unlocking the device Jun 25 10:48:45 ...like before Jun 25 10:48:55 since it was mentioned that it was useful to have a replacement Jun 25 10:49:21 jrayhawk: You have some time now? Jun 25 10:49:25 jonwil, that'd be interesting to see Jun 25 10:49:46 jrayhawk: Maybe I'll try and your help may be important :) Jun 25 10:50:22 which of my items would be interesting to see? Jun 25 10:50:48 the open BME replacement. Jun 25 10:50:58 This isnt BME, its hald-addon-bme Jun 25 10:51:00 ah Jun 25 10:51:22 there are already efforts to create things that can do some or all of what bme does Jun 25 10:51:29 Not sure how much help I can be, but sure. Jun 25 10:51:44 MohammadAG : are you going to start on the massive work that's needed? Jun 25 10:52:24 OK, so let's start. Jun 25 10:52:27 Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install? Jun 25 10:52:28 hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :) Jun 25 10:52:35 How many swap to make? Jun 25 10:53:00 In case of only ~950MB free total? Jun 25 10:53:35 Probably best to use a swapfile in that circumstance. Jun 25 10:54:25 'swapspace' being the package for that. Jun 25 10:54:42 hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :) Jun 25 10:54:45 I doubt you'll need it for installation, but once you start running graphical applications it'll come in handy. Jun 25 10:54:47 droid sans mono 8 Jun 25 10:54:57 and switched own text color to white Jun 25 10:55:12 (if that isn't done per default yet - impossible to read) Jun 25 10:55:42 Hurrian, in a bit :p Jun 25 10:56:03 Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install? Jun 25 10:56:04 ah, k Jun 25 10:56:08 OK, I one create Linux partition for whole SD card. Jun 25 10:56:23 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Jun 25 10:56:23 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free Jun 25 10:56:30 ok, great Jun 25 10:56:31 add those to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update Jun 25 10:56:41 so, i have a class 2 microSD card Jun 25 10:56:50 would meego run with usable speed or not? Jun 25 10:57:01 (just wanted to test it, mostly) Jun 25 10:57:12 /dev/sdb1 * 16 2012159 1006072 83 Linux Jun 25 10:57:31 Classes are a very poor representation of the important things - whihc is mosl random access speeds Jun 25 10:57:39 Mostly Jun 25 10:58:06 mail sent to ofono mailing list :) Jun 25 10:58:12 FredrIQ|n900, good tip, but I don't have the droid sans font for some reason. Using nokia sans size 12 and green text and it's good enough :) Jun 25 10:58:48 Ekce, ok :P Jun 25 10:58:51 any shortcut way to tab user nick in xchat btw? sry bout the noob questions Jun 25 10:59:00 I think it's alt-space Jun 25 10:59:01 shift+space Jun 25 10:59:09 I remapped it to shift-rightarrow Jun 25 10:59:15 alt? Jun 25 10:59:33 shift Jun 25 10:59:37 FredrIQ|n900, thanks again :) Jun 25 10:59:42 Hurrian, I was thinking of a settings dialog, that would require some secret gesture Jun 25 10:59:43 np Jun 25 10:59:47 I use nokia sans semibold 14 Jun 25 11:00:35 nokia sans isn't monospace :( Jun 25 11:00:48 (yes, i prefer monospace on IRC for some reason) Jun 25 11:02:40 MohammadAG: what's your take on gesture daemon? interested? Jun 25 11:02:59 jrayhawk: In this process, I will install bootloader, Debian with debootstrap then compile kernel and flash device with it? Jun 25 11:03:03 MohammadAG , stuff it in Settings, not in the lockscreen ;) Jun 25 11:03:05 DocScrutinizer, it should be implemented in hildon-desktop Jun 25 11:03:14 errr Jun 25 11:03:22 you know what would be nice? if the lockscreen replaced the "secure device" dialog Jun 25 11:03:36 tap to unlock -- but there's a code! Jun 25 11:03:47 I think the kernels are already compiled somewhere. Jun 25 11:03:47 we actually *might* need some hooks in there, but basically the daemon itself should be unrelated Jun 25 11:04:04 i mean, not like the n900's secure anyway, why not make the lock screen nice? Jun 25 11:04:13 but yes, I'm interested in anything that keeps the N900 up and running, whether I get the N950 or not Jun 25 11:04:26 jrayhawk: I don't see here… Jun 25 11:04:30 MohammadAG: I'm quite willing to discuss this implementation rationale though Jun 25 11:04:38 MohammadAG: I might be wrong Jun 25 11:04:58 jrayhawk: But, It's too many work for this moment. Jun 25 11:05:32 jrayhawk: so sad, that nobody done „ready-to-install” Debian image for n810. Jun 25 11:05:48 If I recall correctly, the sequence is something like install bootloader, debian with debootstrap, install extra packages from deblet, install kernel from deblet Jun 25 11:06:15 Ah, kernel from deblet. Jun 25 11:06:59 So It's not such many work… Jun 25 11:09:52 Uh, hmm. Maybe the default Diablo kernel works fine and they just add modules on top of that? Jun 25 11:10:09 It's been, like, two years since I last played with this, so my memory is a bit hazy. Jun 25 11:12:11 Hurrian, the lock code is handled by mce Jun 25 11:12:28 also the lockscreen is multiplatform :p Jun 25 11:12:44 I'll see. Jun 25 11:12:51 I plan to add MeeGo/Harmattan support, if I get an N950, the code is built to allow that Jun 25 11:13:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23051 Jun 25 11:17:19 jrayhawk: bootloader ready to install? Jun 25 11:17:21 Will be awesome. Jun 25 11:17:45 Just pray that all the resources are still hosted in their appropriate spots. Jun 25 11:18:42 MohammadAG : working on implementing all the new bars? Jun 25 11:19:09 BTW, the overlay on the album art is the "time left" on the song Jun 25 11:19:18 Hmm. Jun 25 11:19:33 „Operation failed” while trying to execute .install file. Jun 25 11:21:00 Hurrian, still have no idea how to get missed calls/SMS/IM count Jun 25 11:21:39 uhh, where is it stored that a message is unread in Conversations? Jun 25 11:22:02 porbably just count how many unread messages there are Jun 25 11:22:16 some database afaik, but polling that isn't the right way Jun 25 11:22:18 rtcom eventlogger has a is_read flag on messages Jun 25 11:26:41 ok, lets get findmine source code up and going Jun 25 11:30:53 http://goput.it/str/j93.png Jun 25 11:31:56 Hurrian, is that on N900? very nice! Jun 25 11:35:25 Ekce86 : MohammadAG's implementing it in code right now. Jun 25 11:37:13 MeeGo CE logo looks a bit like ubuntu's Jun 25 11:37:28 Will this lock-screen replace the security code screen? Jun 25 11:37:57 no Jun 25 11:38:01 couldn't test networking as I don't have wifi around, but whatever Jun 25 11:38:15 it'll be like the stock lock screen, unlocking the screen still points to the lock dialog Jun 25 11:38:34 ~seen Venemo Jun 25 11:38:39 venemo <~Timur@fedora/Venemo> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 1h 33m 18s ago, saying: 'roofboard, I agree'. Jun 25 11:39:47 otwieracz: I think my old deblet install is intact; I'll see if I can get it running and get an image. Jun 25 11:41:00 jrayhawk: I will be thankfull. Jun 25 11:49:48 MohammadAG, trying out the lockscreen right now, and it's awesome. although it seems to switch to the same track all the time for some reason Jun 25 11:49:50 Hmm. It boots, but one of the three layers of keyboard abstraction seems to be broken. How tedious. Jun 25 11:50:23 Ekce86, check your playlist in the mediaplayer Jun 25 11:53:13 I'll tru the installer. Jun 25 11:53:35 WARNING: You should either have a clean initfs before installing bootmenu or have fanoush's bootmenu installed (we've seen trouble with penguinbait initfs?) Jun 25 11:53:40 How to clean initfs? Jun 25 11:54:45 Simply rm -rf /mnt/initfs/*? Jun 25 11:54:48 It's not an issue unless you've been messing around with the init fs. Jun 25 11:54:59 MohammadAG, alright, I emptied the now playing list and now it's working like a charm, thanks man Jun 25 11:56:08 Ah, I must've dist-upgraded this userspace while using it as a chroot and overwritten some important deblet stuff. Jun 25 11:57:26 So, what with this initfs? Jun 25 11:57:49 Do you know how an initrd works? Jun 25 11:58:25 Kernel mount initramfs, then for example load modules to mount real root. Jun 25 11:58:33 Most common usasge of initramfs. Jun 25 11:59:36 Yeah, it's an intermediary userspace used to bring up full userspaces. initrds obviously have filesystems that live entirely in memory. The Maemo initfs is an intermediate userspace that lives on some flash. Jun 25 11:59:47 MohammadAG : dump all the sliders Jun 25 11:59:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038775&postcount=111 Jun 25 12:00:31 bootmenu modifies that intermediate userspace to give you a an interactive choice in the boot sequence to decide what full userspace you want to end up in. Jun 25 12:01:11 Roll on! Jun 25 12:01:14 And reboot. Jun 25 12:01:49 Push menu to… Jun 25 12:01:54 And Maemo is booting. Jun 25 12:01:58 push and hold Jun 25 12:02:01 it's finnicky :( Jun 25 12:02:05 you have to move very fast Jun 25 12:02:14 Menu button? Jun 25 12:02:17 Dropdown menu button? Jun 25 12:02:21 Yeah. Jun 25 12:02:42 don't you need to turn the n900 on with the keyboard open? Jun 25 12:02:46 And I have „Internal flash” and „Power off” to choice. Jun 25 12:03:24 Now install Deblet? Jun 25 12:03:50 Yeah, probably. Jun 25 12:04:16 Debian here will be awesome ;) Jun 25 12:04:21 And no hildon. Jun 25 12:04:48 Hmm, there's no cool Deblet environment. Jun 25 12:05:02 Only LXDE, GNOME, KDE and barebones X. Jun 25 12:05:13 Just a second, one guy made e17 packages... Jun 25 12:05:24 But, at this moment, Barebones X. Jun 25 12:05:26 Right? Jun 25 12:05:28 Yeah. Jun 25 12:06:55 Uhm, I have to choice mmcblk0 or mmcblk1. Jun 25 12:06:59 Which is external? Jun 25 12:07:11 I can't run terminal now and check with „mount”. Jun 25 12:07:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23087 e17 packages Jun 25 12:08:10 mmcblk0 is internal, so mmcblk1 is probably external Jun 25 12:08:45 I don't know where my minisd adapter is to verify for certain, but hey, what's life without adventure :) Jun 25 12:09:18 watch out, there's a lot of confusion around this! Jun 25 12:09:38 Yeah, I think the n800 had a different setup. Jun 25 12:09:44 mmcblk1 in internal on bootup Jun 25 12:09:55 nah, there's been this swapping the names madness Jun 25 12:10:05 ooh, scary Jun 25 12:10:07 and still is Jun 25 12:10:36 Hmm. Jun 25 12:10:39 uh, well, is this installer you're playing with running from the initfs or from the full maemo root? Jun 25 12:10:40 could someone help me with my n900? I did a apt-get upgrade when I received a CSSU update, and I got some upgraded QT-packages which stopped QT-apps requiring network access from running. Jun 25 12:10:41 It was external. Jun 25 12:10:47 haha thank goodness Jun 25 12:10:51 meego wise, if there's a uSD in, that's mmcblk0, else, eMMC is mmcblk0 Jun 25 12:10:59 on boot the kernel checks external first then internal, and numbers accordingly (means internal has different name depending if you got external or not) Jun 25 12:11:09 ToJa92: apt-get dist-upgrade Jun 25 12:11:14 then later in boot names get swapped Jun 25 12:11:14 ToJa92, which update? 15 is fairly stable Jun 25 12:11:25 but not for all locations Jun 25 12:11:37 use apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr Jun 25 12:11:37 "locations"...? Jun 25 12:11:40 MAG : saw the latest mockups? the message/call sliders are trashed Jun 25 12:11:41 not dist-upgrade Jun 25 12:11:51 like /proc/* for example Jun 25 12:12:14 Ah, yeah, I guess that makes sense. What an unfortunate decision. Jun 25 12:13:16 MohammadAG: I'm using the "stable" version(honestly I'm not sure what version it is) Jun 25 12:13:25 oh yeah, i guess you probably don't need fatalsaint's e17 packages what with those actually being in debian, now Jun 25 12:13:38 ToJa92, check settings then Jun 25 12:13:42 Now we're waiting for download… Jun 25 12:13:58 "mp-fremantle-community-pr is already the newest version." Jun 25 12:14:01 I hope it correctly pulls off of archive.debian.org rather than the normal mirrors. Jun 25 12:14:15 dist-upgrade fails, hang on and I'll get the output Jun 25 12:14:27 ToJa92, what apps fail to start? Jun 25 12:16:13 jrayhawk: on N900 cat /proc/partitions shows "incorrect" when mount displays what you assume to be correct Jun 25 12:16:54 Anyone else experiences audio problems in games like Tecnoballz, Hex-a-Hop, Gweled, etc? Jun 25 12:16:59 MohammadAG: Facebook, groove, fapman Jun 25 12:17:02 I am no longer getting any audio at all Jun 25 12:18:16 by facebook you mean sociality? Jun 25 12:18:26 all 3 work fine for me Jun 25 12:18:56 jrayhawk: there's a ticket on bugs.maemo.org for it Jun 25 12:19:20 yeah Jun 25 12:19:32 Mohammad: Could you tell me what versions of sdl, mikmod and vorbis you have? (see tecnoballz depends) Jun 25 12:19:33 dist-upgrade gives me this error http://pastebin.com/G2QXJ9W0 Jun 25 12:19:57 Could it be related to me having the unofficial busybox upgrade installed? Jun 25 12:20:31 dist-upgrade? you bet gives error, it kills your system Jun 25 12:21:06 absolutely deprecated Jun 25 12:21:34 as is auto-remove Jun 25 12:21:49 autoremove is deprecated? D: Jun 25 12:22:27 it removes bits that aren't locked into anything else. For me it broke SIP Jun 25 12:22:58 if I'm not completely losing my mind now Jun 25 12:26:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jun 25 12:26:32 yeah autoremove == evil! Jun 25 12:26:47 echo "NONONO!! Don't do that!" Jun 25 12:26:49 exit 5 Jun 25 12:27:05 apting… apting… Jun 25 12:29:31 MohammadAG, will Hurrian's lockscreen be implemented today for us to upgrade from -devel? Jun 25 12:29:51 ekce86, hopefully Jun 25 12:30:33 waitwaitwait, MohammadAG, you're actually going to do it today? Jun 25 12:30:37 MohammadAG: Any clue? Or should I just reflash? Jun 25 12:30:38 need the icons? Jun 25 12:31:02 BTW, refer to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038775&postcount=111 for the finalized design Jun 25 12:31:02 ToJa92, output of Qt app from terminal? Jun 25 12:31:12 jrayhawk: install failed :( Jun 25 12:31:34 Hurrian, I'll push the old design in a bit, cause my initial one was crap Jun 25 12:31:34 Any particularly useful output? Jun 25 12:31:46 then I'll start on the new one Jun 25 12:32:05 MohammadAG , i downloaded the latest enhanced-lockscreen off your server Jun 25 12:32:09 nice buttons ;) Jun 25 12:32:10 MohammadAG: all three just segfaults Jun 25 12:32:21 jrayhawk: „Failure while trying to run: chroot /mnt/deblet dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5lenny9_armel.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.20_armel.deb Jun 25 12:32:25 ” Jun 25 12:32:36 although there's a bug: it doesn't skip the song IF the song is paused Jun 25 12:32:37 ToJa92, hmm, that's weird Jun 25 12:32:55 Can you verify that file exists? Jun 25 12:32:57 Hurrian, it does, but mafw doesn't emit the metadata changed signal Jun 25 12:33:02 by the way, how come if I forward X from N900 to computer and run something in wine, i cannot use the keyboard? Jun 25 12:33:03 ah Jun 25 12:33:16 i.e. the focus is still on the terminal Jun 25 12:33:25 but all other X applications works fine Jun 25 12:33:28 Anyone one is from NY or exist a irc channel from them Jun 25 12:33:50 MohammadAG, alright, I'm waiting eagerly :) much appreciated Jun 25 12:33:54 uh Jun 25 12:33:59 forwarding X from computer to N900* Jun 25 12:34:12 MohammadAG : are you going to remake the icons or will i supply them to you? Jun 25 12:34:18 jrayhawk: wait a moment… Jun 25 12:34:23 FIQ: fun, isn't it? Jun 25 12:34:25 if you need them, i'll zip them up Jun 25 12:34:33 much Jun 25 12:34:36 RST38h, libsdl1.2 1:1.2.13-2maemo8+0m5 Jun 25 12:34:38 archive.debian.org doesn't appear to be in the mirrors list, so it may have completely failed to download Jun 25 12:34:40 why does it do that? Jun 25 12:34:45 and can i dodge it somehow? Jun 25 12:35:06 jrayhawk: Yes, it exists. Jun 25 12:35:08 unless it gave you a way to put that in manually Jun 25 12:35:11 ah, okay Jun 25 12:35:16 RST38h, libmikmod2 3.1.11-a-2 Jun 25 12:35:22 MohammadAG: Could you just do "dpkg -l|grep libqt" and send me the output so that I can compare the versions? Jun 25 12:35:50 RST38h, libvorbisfile3 1.2.3.tk1 Jun 25 12:36:22 FIQ: you do what? forward a wine session on PC via vnc to N900? Jun 25 12:36:37 jrayhawk: I'll try again… Jun 25 12:36:37 no, via X (ssh) Jun 25 12:36:45 aaah Jun 25 12:36:49 no idea Jun 25 12:36:54 too bad Jun 25 12:37:01 ToJa92, ii libqt4-gui 1:4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0cssu1 Jun 25 12:39:36 pretty strange error in sdk : http://pastebin.com/iwnYjDvv Jun 25 12:41:04 MohammadAG: If it isn't too much of a hassle, could you /msg me the list or put it on pastebin? Jun 25 12:41:44 i have to say Qt is a wonderful framework Jun 25 12:41:47 i am impressed Jun 25 12:42:03 until you do qml stuff Jun 25 12:42:03 :) Jun 25 12:42:33 hmmmmmm im loving c++ right now Jun 25 12:42:38 it feels like coming home Jun 25 12:43:19 ToJa92, http://pastebin.com/Aub6iG6R Jun 25 12:44:14 MohammadAG: No libqtm* packages installed? Jun 25 12:45:13 ToJa92, those aren't touched in the CSSU Jun 25 12:46:03 well the libqt4- package versions matches Jun 25 12:46:14 guess I'll be looking at reflashing this afternoon then Jun 25 12:46:26 try apt-get --reinstall instail-ing them Jun 25 12:50:53 btw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say Jun 25 12:51:02 buzzword aegis Jun 25 12:52:09 NB phonet and cmt are running under security according to this Jun 25 12:52:25 ola javispedro Jun 25 12:52:42 helo Jun 25 12:52:52 for you: Jun 25 12:52:58 btw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say Jun 25 12:53:21 so you can't run your own kernels and os and retain phone functions? Jun 25 12:53:26 dunno, looks like a srchash to me Jun 25 12:53:30 indeed Jun 25 12:53:47 well, it's all handwaving by me Jun 25 12:54:45 DocScrutinizer: I do not think it is anything about hashed modules. Why hash g_softupd.ko and not, say, iommu.ko? This is the kernel, either all of them are hashed or it is as good as if noone was. Jun 25 12:54:56 ShadowJK: depending on policies that might be what it means Jun 25 12:55:42 javispedro: I'm just spreading FUD atm Jun 25 12:55:44 DocScrutinizer,http://pastebin.com/iwnYjDvv Jun 25 12:55:46 MohammadAG: Well that did fix the issue (not sure why I didn't try that before). Thanks Jun 25 12:56:08 I'm all for the security framework for Ovi apps and such, but why the kernel? :/ Jun 25 12:56:24 once you have the kernel Jun 25 12:56:34 i mean an access Jun 25 12:56:44 you can by pass everything you want Jun 25 12:57:26 khertan_'s FUD is way more scaring Jun 25 12:57:31 (I mean that pastebin) Jun 25 12:59:01 just went twittering a bit. Maybe should reduce number of posts, and increase timespan and amount of pondering between running into sth and posting my thoughts here ;-) Jun 25 12:59:16 khertan_, fakeroot? Jun 25 12:59:31 I want the Harmattan SDK :( Jun 25 12:59:33 MohammadAG, yep ;) Jun 25 12:59:42 fakeroot i ve put it after ;) Jun 25 12:59:58 but it s funny to got this strange error Jun 25 13:00:10 about aegis ... when install a package in the sdk Jun 25 13:00:25 * khertan_ have python problem in scratchbox Jun 25 13:00:31 MohammadAG, ? what the problem ? Jun 25 13:00:39 * RST38h yawns Jun 25 13:00:43 helo javispedro Jun 25 13:01:02 RST38h: hello Jun 25 13:02:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038806&postcount=122 Jun 25 13:02:33 maximum_trolling.bmp Jun 25 13:03:13 it is actually very easy to do a transparent screen Jun 25 13:03:45 just set truecolor visual with alpha channel Jun 25 13:03:47 bcm4751-gps.ko :-o Jun 25 13:03:54 javispedro: Just found that Android SDK forces you to keep all your source code and data in the same directory Jun 25 13:04:01 two directories actually, ok Jun 25 13:04:05 h-d will composite it with desktop background automatically Jun 25 13:04:11 RST38h: Java, Java. Jun 25 13:04:21 javispedro: I.e. if I have got a few classes that are shared between projects, I am forced to copy them Jun 25 13:04:42 javispedro, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, Jun 25 13:05:11 this entire "thou must use our holy directory structure" is a very Java thing Jun 25 13:05:14 javispedro: I am not sure how people can do any serious programming using this stuff Jun 25 13:05:23 how do i show the notification popups in maemo qt apps Jun 25 13:05:24 ? Jun 25 13:05:26 javispedro: it all feels like a toy Jun 25 13:05:37 the semi-transparent bar that goes across the screen i mean Jun 25 13:07:05 RST38h: the question is: does it cather to all those toy application developers so that android can someday say they have an order of magnitude more fart applications that iphone? Jun 25 13:07:24 ok well what is the "correect" way to show user errors on dialog boxes for maemo? Jun 25 13:07:43 Gay pride parade in front of the store today. Jun 25 13:07:50 * GAN900 prays for some rain. Jun 25 13:07:54 GAN900, where are you? Jun 25 13:08:26 St. Petersburg, FL Jun 25 13:08:33 why do u want rain? Jun 25 13:08:42 WTH? http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/24/nokias-android-flirtations-revealed/ Jun 25 13:08:55 I miss rain Jun 25 13:10:01 javispedro, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN DENSITY Jun 25 13:10:03 looks legit Jun 25 13:10:04 Because it's my job to keep entitled, rude bastards from filling up the parking lot. Jun 25 13:10:10 and rain will thin the crowds. Jun 25 13:10:17 80k expected to attend Jun 25 13:10:42 GAN900: you do not want rain then, but fire balls from the sky Jun 25 13:11:01 depending on your location, the latter might have more chances =) Jun 25 13:11:14 javispedro: more or less Jun 25 13:11:23 GAN900: Why?Do you like your gays wet? Jun 25 13:11:25 GAN900, so you are homophobic then? Jun 25 13:12:30 MoonTiger, no, I just don't like spending my morning in the hot sun telling people who think everyone who tells them not to do something is a homophobe why I'd prefer they not shut down my place of employment today. :) Jun 25 13:13:09 GAN900, so if it was a free-beer and rock music with hot chics parade you would do the same yes? Jun 25 13:13:15 GAN900:Which bring up the next logical question: If someone hates straight people too, is he STILL homophobic?=) Jun 25 13:14:16 MoonTiger, yes, though, anecdotally, I find far fewer problems with the expectation of free public use of private property with most other events. Jun 25 13:14:48 if its private property then the people who own it have obviously given permission no? Jun 25 13:15:55 why do u want rain? Jun 25 13:16:10 haven't seen it in a while Jun 25 13:17:28 * MoonTiger doesn't like homophobic people Jun 25 13:17:56 MoonTiger, yes, clearly, or I wouldn't be standing outside telling people not to park next to the front door if they're not shopping here. Jun 25 13:18:35 you think gays need _permission_? Jun 25 13:18:37 * GAN900 doesn't much care for people who attribute broad stereotypes to people they disagree with. Jun 25 13:18:40 GAN900, so if they have permission isn't it just something you have to deal with? Jun 25 13:18:53 They don't have permission Jun 25 13:18:58 then call the cops Jun 25 13:19:07 They think they're entitled to free parking wherever they want Jun 25 13:19:18 MoonTiger, I have, but it's generally a last resort. Jun 25 13:19:44 jrayhawk: we'll see if it will work now. Jun 25 13:19:54 jrayhawk: currently installing packages. Jun 25 13:19:55 GAN900: but aren't you in the US? just bring out the shotgun! ;) Jun 25 13:20:54 GAN900: Put on some hot chaps, to make sure they know you're not homophobic. Jun 25 13:21:24 SpeedEvil, ugh, the leather costumes people manage to put together. . . . Jun 25 13:21:41 you don't call the cop for unauthorized parking, you call the tow company Jun 25 13:22:40 Hurrian, "hey, you know, there are WOMEN who use the N900! yes, WOMEN!" - 12 I'd say Jun 25 13:22:42 Just sign it 'Car recycling point' Jun 25 13:22:53 And then get all the cars crushed for profit. Jun 25 13:22:54 I mean, they barely make up 1% with sociality's stats :P Jun 25 13:23:07 just thought I'd say that Jun 25 13:23:10 i just replace the word "gay" with "black" and see if the sentence is still unoffensive ... if it is the cool ... otherwise not so much Jun 25 13:23:29 MohammadAG, 13 Jun 25 13:23:36 MohammadAG : still, not even a lie that women actually bought that thick, heavy, black hunk of junk Jun 25 13:23:41 hmm, wow, they're 5% Jun 25 13:23:44 *that'swhatHEsaid" Jun 25 13:24:02 out of 4027 users Jun 25 13:24:08 ty javispedro Jun 25 13:24:13 also, inb4 lock screen thread turns into a troll thread Jun 25 13:24:41 vi_ : I wunt 9 lok screenz with widgets and a appz luncher with a map and polling all hardware all time. Jun 25 13:24:58 most N900 users w/ a facebook are from germany Jun 25 13:24:58 holy crap, you can find so many of these in the maemo 5 screenshots thread Jun 25 13:24:58 Hurrian, and battery life of more than 1 hr? Jun 25 13:25:19 I think I should remove images from the binary Jun 25 13:25:27 MAG: gconf tiem Jun 25 13:26:00 no, QSettings Jun 25 13:26:05 ah Jun 25 13:26:11 right, you're using qt Jun 25 13:26:43 i always wondered why there are so. many. ricer. desktops. in the M5 screenshot thread, and none at all in M2-4 screenshots Jun 25 13:27:03 either I remove the images from the binary, or I keep it there and allow a custom one Jun 25 13:27:18 MAG : remove it, and prompt for a wallpaper on first launch Jun 25 13:27:22 MohammadAG: make it transparent and h-d will show desktop background Jun 25 13:27:36 but sadly I have no idea how to do that with Qt =) Jun 25 13:28:11 Hurrian, no, that's not practical Jun 25 13:28:17 D: Jun 25 13:28:26 javispedro, and on MeeGo? :P Jun 25 13:28:49 no idea, will test it today Jun 25 13:29:02 MAG: just require the settings app to be run before using switching over to the new lock screen then Jun 25 13:29:23 ....or ship it with a flat black background Jun 25 13:29:28 whatever works i guess Jun 25 13:30:27 another alternative is to read desktop background from gconf Jun 25 13:32:21 best way QSettings().value("main/background-url", ":/lockscreen.png") Jun 25 13:32:42 if the settings file has a value set, use that, else, use the file in the binary Jun 25 13:33:07 Qt has pervasive in-binary files support? Jun 25 13:33:09 that is nice. Jun 25 13:34:05 http://i.imgur.com/w8j7r.jpg Jun 25 13:34:25 hmm Jun 25 13:34:46 I found why the slider sucks, it's cause I was setting the background in paintEvent Jun 25 13:35:01 alterego, ^ Jun 25 13:35:23 Heh Jun 25 13:35:41 is there a better way to do it? say QPalette? Jun 25 13:36:12 What's everybody's takeaway from the Harmattan SDK? Jun 25 13:36:27 I can't install it Jun 25 13:36:31 which one? Jun 25 13:38:28 Any one you care to have an opinion about? Jun 25 13:38:56 * javispedro likes sbox as usual... Jun 25 13:39:33 I miss more sample applications, still remember the days when the SDK would come with a sample of virtually any kind of applet or application Jun 25 13:39:38 each of them showing a GNU logo =) Jun 25 13:40:11 javispedro, it fails on step 2 Jun 25 13:40:30 I did not install sbox using the wizard though Jun 25 13:40:38 so no idea what step2 is =) Jun 25 13:41:48 Installed fine for me, I might blog the manual install instructions. Jun 25 13:44:22 alterego: I'd like to read that blogpost Jun 25 13:46:00 Harmattan sdk is unusable to port my application. Contacts and messaging missing -> nike ... Jun 25 13:46:00 javispedro, then how did you install it? Jun 25 13:46:12 nice* Jun 25 13:46:12 MohammadAG: I have some notes, I'm formatting them a bit Jun 25 13:46:25 javispedro, oh, so there's no script? Jun 25 13:46:33 besides the python one Jun 25 13:47:33 none that I know of Jun 25 13:47:40 The wizzard just updated my scratchbox Jun 25 13:47:45 gri, you may need to add nokia-binaries Jun 25 13:47:53 but you dont have a key Jun 25 13:48:47 Hurrian: my /etc/apt/sources.list has an entry of nokia-binaries Jun 25 13:49:19 * RST38h seriously considering going at the .java files with the C preprocessor Jun 25 13:49:30 ah Jun 25 13:49:52 well, try searching for the apps Jun 25 13:49:58 apt-cache search Jun 25 13:50:03 already done Jun 25 13:50:09 :( Jun 25 13:50:36 still only accounts-ui, settings, qmlviewer and an not-working instance of mail Jun 25 13:51:38 okay, night guys. Jun 25 13:52:14 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/cS5MA88D Jun 25 13:53:32 * jonwil curses libconnui and libconnui_cell... Jun 25 13:54:07 MohammadAG: Neither fremantle nor diablo should break if you follow this, though maybe you will need a newer version of the diablo/fremantle devkits Jun 25 13:54:16 * jonwil curses the lack of an easy way to get signaled for flightmode and for network changes Jun 25 13:54:16 what is fun today Jun 25 13:54:32 javispedro, and I'm guessing the same SB packages should work? Jun 25 13:54:47 javispedro: Are the rootstraps the same which get installed by the python installer script? Jun 25 13:54:56 i got a wlan beacon in a plane once on kismet Jun 25 13:55:03 MohammadAG: which ones? :P Jun 25 13:55:05 gri: yes. Jun 25 13:55:22 javispedro, the ones installed by the two Fremantle SDK scripts Jun 25 13:55:39 damn, I need the contacts application and/or messaging-ui Jun 25 13:55:43 MohammadAG: the packages installed by the fremantle sdk might not make it, you need hathor Jun 25 13:56:14 MohammadAG: if you used .deb packages to install the fremantle sdk, you should use .deb packages again to upgrade to hathor Jun 25 13:56:26 otherwise you end up with mess =9 Jun 25 13:56:42 I have gentoo, and I also have sbox on separate partition, so I use tarballs. Jun 25 13:56:55 I think I already messed up when I upgraded ubuntu Jun 25 13:56:59 javispedro: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/ I see harmattan and hathor Jun 25 13:57:12 /scratchbox persisted, debs didn't :p Jun 25 13:57:39 merlin1991: someone probably aggregated the harmattan versions for you Jun 25 13:58:17 oh, amd64 packages Jun 25 13:58:20 do you suggest using hator or the harmattan ones? :D Jun 25 13:58:30 why did I have to use force-arch with fremantle? Jun 25 13:58:31 the versions match, so use the harmattan ones Jun 25 13:58:48 or should I use the x86 ones? Jun 25 13:58:52 * merlin1991 hopes that this is going to work Jun 25 13:58:58 since the target expects X86 Jun 25 13:59:01 hathor = stable scratchbox series Jun 25 13:59:07 MohammadAG: do you run amd64 ubuntu? Jun 25 13:59:13 hello folks Jun 25 13:59:14 yes Jun 25 13:59:16 then amd64 Jun 25 13:59:26 It takes so looong to install this Debian… Jun 25 13:59:28 it's just the package header changed, sbox is still 32-bit only Jun 25 13:59:32 but Harmattan targets are ARMEL and X86 :P Jun 25 13:59:34 oh Jun 25 14:00:29 should I dl the exact versions you posted or the newest ones? Jun 25 14:00:38 you know the answer Jun 25 14:00:43 adventurous = newer. Jun 25 14:00:50 coward = exact. Jun 25 14:01:19 I hate microB sometimes :/ Jun 25 14:01:44 updating scratchbox currently Jun 25 14:01:48 I ponder what's this entire N9 has plug'n'play sdk Jun 25 14:01:52 wondering how much will break Jun 25 14:02:39 merlin1991: I see that there's also autotools-legacy and python-legacy sbox packages, I think you will need them for fremantle (someone was having this error before) Jun 25 14:02:55 16KB/s \o/ Jun 25 14:03:07 110 here Jun 25 14:03:09 I bet I don't get it because I just untarred everything on top of the older sbox so I still have older files Jun 25 14:03:10 still no fun Jun 25 14:03:11 I wish someone would mirror there Jun 25 14:03:14 those* Jun 25 14:03:40 javispedro: I'll report back when ubuntu finished updateing sn Jun 25 14:03:44 s/sn/sb Jun 25 14:04:32 30KB/s, this is boring Jun 25 14:04:39 I wonder how fast the server would dl it Jun 25 14:04:41 sigh Jun 25 14:04:54 SpeedEvil: I messed up your wiki pages another time ;-) Jun 25 14:05:18 I'm taking a day off and clearing up the garden a bit. Jun 25 14:05:31 :-) fair enough Jun 25 14:05:34 And decompressing. Jun 25 14:05:46 I'll do similarly IT-unrelated things now Jun 25 14:05:52 holy shit 400KB/s xD Jun 25 14:05:54 Will start digging into kernel source and FCC and ... Jun 25 14:05:57 javispedro: your pastebin tells me to set up "Harmattan Nokia Meego API armel beta rootstrap" wth is the "Harmattan Platform API beta armel rootstrap " ? Jun 25 14:06:00 2MB/s wtf Jun 25 14:06:30 huh? Jun 25 14:06:37 I don't think I ever used the word meego ;) Jun 25 14:07:07 * lcuk dances around the chan Jun 25 14:07:10 javispedro: rootstrapname -> description on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php Jun 25 14:07:29 * DocScrutinizer claps hands to lcuk 's dance Jun 25 14:07:34 merlin1991: aah, you will see filenames after reading & accepting EULA. Jun 25 14:07:45 yeah saw it Jun 25 14:07:57 which one to gets I tell you on pastebin Jun 25 14:08:02 *get Jun 25 14:08:09 I did follow you so far Jun 25 14:08:16 I'm only wondering wht the other ones are Jun 25 14:08:23 *wth Jun 25 14:08:30 nfi Jun 25 14:08:38 they are larger Jun 25 14:08:42 i'll test them someday Jun 25 14:08:59 the script gets the one I mentioned Jun 25 14:09:13 oooh. Jun 25 14:09:16 maybe. Jun 25 14:09:36 nokiameegoapi means only Qt stuff, while platformapi means "more" stuff; whatever "more" is. Jun 25 14:10:22 shell wizards: any way other than $> od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries in scripts? Jun 25 14:10:34 s/ in s/ via s/ Jun 25 14:10:35 DocScrutinizer meant: shell wizards: any way other than $> od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries via scripts? Jun 25 14:10:36 Ugh, now the Jesus Freaks are trying to save my soul. Jun 25 14:10:45 It's too hot for questions of theology. Jun 25 14:10:51 GAN900: prolly you can use it Jun 25 14:11:45 I swear if this breaks my Fremantle sb Jun 25 14:11:46 Soul saving? Probably. Jun 25 14:11:47 GAN900: cause you let them park? Jun 25 14:11:50 But who has the time? Jun 25 14:12:03 javispedro, nah, they're going to convert all the gays. Jun 25 14:12:06 * javispedro hides from MohammadAG Jun 25 14:12:23 GAN900: see? god is answering to your fireballs from the sky request Jun 25 14:12:43 in a few moments you will have a civil war. right in front your work place. Jun 25 14:12:58 I'm also wondering what arm-qemu-rm680_linux_i686.tar.gz is Jun 25 14:13:17 according to the page it's Harmattan System Qemu image 32bit Jun 25 14:14:25 it is what it says on the tin =) Jun 25 14:14:36 the image also comes with the qt sdk to be used with madde Jun 25 14:14:36 sb updating via deb, wish me luck Jun 25 14:15:55 ah well I'll be able to test in an hour 300kb/s on the rootstraps Jun 25 14:15:57 grr Jun 25 14:16:04 how do I dl http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php?f=i386-psdk-nokiameegoapi-beta-rootstrap.tgz with wget? Jun 25 14:16:14 I'm guessing cookies, but how? :P Jun 25 14:18:08 ~sdk Jun 25 14:18:09 The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com Jun 25 14:18:12 ffs Jun 25 14:18:17 great! Jun 25 14:18:27 I want the link to the maemo wiki :D Jun 25 14:18:48 ~maemosdk Jun 25 14:18:48 maemosdk is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Jun 25 14:18:50 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/MeeGo/Harmattan Jun 25 14:21:36 RST38h: read http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/06/will-the-real-stephen-elop-please-stand-up.html ? Jun 25 14:21:37 * merlin1991 loves it how stopping the maemo emulation lets xephyr segfault Jun 25 14:22:03 * MohammadAG loves how he always thought it was a signal being sent to Xephyr Jun 25 14:22:12 I always nohup Xephyr :P Jun 25 14:22:33 but fremantle sdk seems to be working still, so updating sb didn't break it Jun 25 14:22:50 we'll have to postpone torturing javispedro then Jun 25 14:23:04 merlin1991: try to build a package Jun 25 14:23:10 javispedro: I did Jun 25 14:23:18 ok Jun 25 14:23:37 gonna try that one on device and then I'm really sure it worked :D Jun 25 14:25:57 hi, I come here to ask for help again. I found my camera on N900 is not working and a post related to the Community Seamless Software Update. Is it true? Jun 25 14:26:07 mm Jun 25 14:26:23 jiero: I'm running the cssu and camera works just fine Jun 25 14:26:51 jiero: could you be a little bit more precise about "not working" ? Jun 25 14:28:55 merlin1991: lol its working now! Jun 25 14:29:04 merlin1991: are you angel? Jun 25 14:29:33 afaik merlin is a wizard ;) Jun 25 14:30:04 merlin1991: thanks for you help :D Jun 25 14:30:43 javispedro: the package did run fine on the n900, I guess sb didn't break :) Jun 25 14:33:35 I feel stupid for asking this, but where does apt cache deb files? Jun 25 14:33:38 (on the n900) Jun 25 14:33:42 yes Jun 25 14:33:48 /var/cache/apt/archives Jun 25 14:33:53 bye doc Jun 25 14:33:58 o/ Jun 25 14:34:56 MohammadAG: am I right assuming that this is part of rootfs? Jun 25 14:35:34 ah nope symlink in /var/cache to opt Jun 25 14:35:43 beat me to it Jun 25 14:35:54 I symlinked it to MyDocs Jun 25 14:36:11 that way I can restore apps easily after a reflash Jun 25 14:37:15 hm is there a way to expand a full path like /var/cache/apt/archives to the "real path" ? Jun 25 14:37:30 "realpath" Jun 25 14:37:40 it is a unix command. Jun 25 14:38:01 jrayhawk: doesn't work… Jun 25 14:38:07 wouldn't ls -l do that same? Jun 25 14:38:33 next time I'm just going to hit the right word into the terminal and see if there is a command like it Jun 25 14:38:43 MohammadAG: but you break the beatifulness of having actually guessed the command name without knowing =) Jun 25 14:39:19 MohammadAG: ls -l doesn't Jun 25 14:39:48 it only shows links in the current dir so you'd have to step trough each directory checking if it leads somewhere else Jun 25 14:41:19 At boot time mmcblk0p1 is internat or external card? Jun 25 14:41:40 is there a way to download from multiple servers? Jun 25 14:41:47 which boot time Jun 25 14:42:13 Bootloader. Jun 25 14:42:28 Which partition I should give in bootloader. Jun 25 14:42:30 (for Deblet) Jun 25 14:42:40 Beucase actual is probably wrong. Jun 25 14:46:16 http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/maemo/debletbootmenu.txt Jun 25 14:46:19 Hello there. Is it right that Maemo 5 currently uses GLib 2.20? and if so, why so old? Jun 25 14:46:33 INT_CARD or EXT_CARD are what you'd want inside the boot menu. Jun 25 14:46:57 Bootnig, hell yeah! Jun 25 14:47:01 mmcblok0p1. Jun 25 14:47:37 It works! Jun 25 14:48:09 FINALLY Jun 25 14:48:20 I found out why I had no qtcreator anymore Jun 25 14:48:33 meegosdk did write a new .desktop file with the exact name :/ Jun 25 14:56:27 good afternoon Jun 25 14:59:43 can i run maemo5 binary on another omap3 device? Jun 25 14:59:57 copy the whole OS? :) Jun 25 15:00:59 jrayhawk: you remember, how to use wpa_supplicant here? Jun 25 15:01:17 (or any other way to configure wifi) Jun 25 15:01:45 iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Jun 25 15:01:57 wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Jun 25 15:02:47 (That goes in /etc/network/interfaces) Jun 25 15:03:04 Do you want an example /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? Jun 25 15:08:04 I already have done it… Jun 25 15:08:10 Oh good. Jun 25 15:08:10 But how to Ctrl+C?! Jun 25 15:08:24 ping google.com is killing me :) Jun 25 15:10:39 zhasha: ii libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5 Jun 25 15:10:43 Maybe it's using /dev/console for STDI/O Jun 25 15:10:57 ShadowJK: GLib, not glibc Jun 25 15:11:07 I must take off battery… Jun 25 15:11:08 ah Jun 25 15:11:14 Probably, yeah. Jun 25 15:11:38 ctrl-c is interpreted by the TTY driver in the kernel; you have to be careful if you're not using /dev/tty* Jun 25 15:11:59 But Deblet is working. Jun 25 15:12:03 :) Jun 25 15:12:07 And wifi works. Jun 25 15:13:14 If you're lucky, you can find a means of magic sysrqing the process causing problems. I think alt-sysrq-F is OOM killer, for instance. I kinda doubt the n810 has sysrq mapped, though. Jun 25 15:15:30 What's the best Holy Crap You Need To Buy This N9 video so far? Jun 25 15:16:23 jrayhawk: so many dependency problems with e17… Jun 25 15:17:47 I suspect if you're using lenny, i suspect fatalsaints e17 packages will be easiest. if you're using squeeze or wheezy or sid, those probably already have e17. Jun 25 15:17:55 i do a lot of suspecting! Jun 25 15:18:11 GAN900: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ Jun 25 15:18:27 Lenny is here. Jun 25 15:18:43 javispedro: Video blocked in Germany o_O Jun 25 15:18:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuJfi3kTt2w s/record/phone/ Jun 25 15:19:08 libecore-con0, for example. Jun 25 15:20:50 And I'm trying to install e17 from fatalsaints, right. Jun 25 15:21:00 javispedro, too bad for you I'm on EDGE. :P Jun 25 15:22:44 GAN900, will qoles trick work on harmattan Jun 25 15:22:45 ? Jun 25 15:24:20 javispedro, use Nyan cat next time, seriously :P Jun 25 15:24:42 naah, he's special. Jun 25 15:25:07 * khertan_ didn't like the harmattan interface Jun 25 15:25:15 closing app is a pain Jun 25 15:28:49 I'll try to install lxde… Jun 25 15:29:18 guys how can i get the qt maemo stuff into qtcreator? Jun 25 15:32:12 so what is harmattan really Jun 25 15:32:15 maemo? meego? Jun 25 15:32:29 branded as meego, but i've heard opposite in many places... Jun 25 15:32:30 I got my post-Lenny pre-Squeeze Deblet userspace working, finally. Jun 25 15:32:50 I wonder if I dare upgrade all the way to Squeeze. Jun 25 15:34:29 what trick? Jun 25 15:37:48 javispedro: I'm having slight troubles following your install instrucitons Jun 25 15:37:59 I have no /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh Jun 25 15:38:07 you did .deb? Jun 25 15:38:11 yes Jun 25 15:38:18 ignore it then, probably was run by postinst script Jun 25 15:38:31 and in sb-menu I can't select the right compilers Jun 25 15:38:37 (to install a new target) Jun 25 15:38:43 yay last deb Jun 25 15:39:00 merlin1991: what do you mean? not listen? did you install the appropiate .debs? Jun 25 15:39:06 s/listen/listed/ Jun 25 15:39:07 javispedro meant: merlin1991: what do you mean? not listed? did you install the appropiate .debs? Jun 25 15:39:30 not listed, and yep I've got the feeling I might be missing packages Jun 25 15:40:54 ah sry I didn't install the toolchain debs, my fault Jun 25 15:43:52 after about 3 hours of messing with it, downloading the map of my route using really flaky net and getting a tomtom voice, converting it for marble and installing it, it still failed me :( no voice Jun 25 15:45:30 fortunately my sister's guy borrowed his iphone with tomtom that worked perfectly, didn't need to touch it once after entering destination, so all went fine ;) Jun 25 15:49:24 hi all... is there any way i can install the WhatsApp messenger on my n900?? Jun 25 15:54:46 nokia_app: what's wrong with telepathy? Jun 25 15:55:24 i wasn't aware aware of that... let me install it.. will return if i face problems with that. Jun 25 15:55:58 nokia_app: your N900 ships with it Jun 25 15:56:27 install additional protocol handlers if you need to Jun 25 15:56:49 well my n900 doesn't have it Jun 25 15:56:59 do you have the contacts application? Jun 25 15:57:32 as in phone contacts? Jun 25 15:57:55 go to Settings->VOIP and IM accounts Jun 25 15:58:20 and yes, your N900 does have telepathy unless you installed a different OS on it Jun 25 15:59:07 ok i've gone to voip and im accounts.. now hat Jun 25 15:59:10 *what? Jun 25 15:59:27 add your IM accounts Jun 25 16:00:51 I think WhatsApp is not a open protocol Jun 25 16:01:46 but isn't whatsapp like bbm? where u can IM any other phone in the world? Jun 25 16:02:38 I think its something proprietary, they have clients for most phones (except maemo) Jun 25 16:03:43 so technically i can't communicate with someone having whatsapp if i use telepathy right? Jun 25 16:04:08 for N900, you want to find a telepathy plugin that talks whatsapp then Jun 25 16:04:14 If they don't open the protocol, no Jun 25 16:04:28 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 and this thing seems to indicate that it just uses XMPP Jun 25 16:05:55 for some reason my n900 doesn't have telepathy either.. this is an old phone.. around a year old.. does tht make s difference? Jun 25 16:06:15 no, and your phone does have telepathy Jun 25 16:06:24 nokia_app: Telepathy is the framework which is used for im/phone/sms Jun 25 16:07:10 Apple Push Notifications is also XMPP and you can't connect to it with other devices than Iphones :) Jun 25 16:07:23 ok.. so is there a gui for it? Jun 25 16:07:38 nokia_app, sorry I'm late to this discussion... what are you trying to do? Jun 25 16:07:45 "Conversations" is the gui Jun 25 16:08:11 nokia_app: sure it has telepathy Jun 25 16:08:37 Venemo_N900 i was trying to find out if there is an app analogous to the whatsapp messenger for maemo Jun 25 16:08:37 javispedro, ping Jun 25 16:08:44 pong Jun 25 16:08:47 scratchbox-core: 1.0.26 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with scratchbox-core:i386 1.0.16 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed Jun 25 16:08:50 thoughts? Jun 25 16:08:56 nokia_app, what is whatsapp messenger Jun 25 16:09:07 nokia_app: whatsapp is proprietary, you cannot use 3rd party apps Jun 25 16:09:23 MohammadAG: wth. didn't you said you losed packages while upgrading? Jun 25 16:09:26 again, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 <-- They say it's just XMPP Jun 25 16:09:28 upgrading ubuntu Jun 25 16:09:37 Venemo_N900: its an im system where users are identified by phone number, not some nick or id Jun 25 16:09:45 Venemo_N900 whatsapp is something bbm. Jun 25 16:09:58 MohammadAG: you probably need to properly remove the i386 packages Jun 25 16:09:58 *like bbm Jun 25 16:10:10 valdyn_, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good Jun 25 16:10:35 sorry Jun 25 16:10:46 nokia_app, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good Jun 25 16:10:50 Venemo_N900: and (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope Jun 25 16:10:58 Venemo_N900: *can* (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope Jun 25 16:11:15 Venemo_N900: thats why theres whatsapp / bbm Jun 25 16:11:24 * javispedro is writing the SDL implementation of his dreams, opengles builtin, no cpu usage when paused, ... =) Jun 25 16:11:44 well, just find contacts from the Contacts or the Conversations app Jun 25 16:11:49 what's the big deal? Jun 25 16:11:59 it works very well for me Jun 25 16:12:04 javispedro, how Jun 25 16:12:12 Venemo_N900: its not about me, its about convenience, im just saying why those products exist Jun 25 16:12:16 MohammadAG: "dpkg --purge .." Jun 25 16:12:25 valdyn_, mhm Jun 25 16:12:42 Venemo_N900: Its slightly different than IM Jun 25 16:12:45 valdyn_: no, but you can merge all your current contacts for the exact same effect. And if it is indeed regular ol' XMPP, you just need to enter the correct XMPP address and you're golden Jun 25 16:12:53 javispedro, root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core Jun 25 16:13:01 dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core Jun 25 16:13:01 root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core:1386 Jun 25 16:13:01 dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:1386 Jun 25 16:13:02 you'd think I tried that :P Jun 25 16:13:07 zhasha: yea, dont tell me, tell the millions of whatsapp users Jun 25 16:13:14 Venemo_N900: The other side does not need to be online but his/her phone receives a push notification for new messages Jun 25 16:13:23 MohammadAG: sadly, I left debian before multiarch stuff was implemented Jun 25 16:13:24 mhm Jun 25 16:13:33 its quite elegant anyway Jun 25 16:13:40 MohammadAG: either way, it's "i386", not 1386. Jun 25 16:13:55 so what do u guys suggest?? Jun 25 16:14:11 valdyn_: anything that doesn't integrate seamlessly all your contacts AND conversations into one place is extraordinarily inelegant Jun 25 16:14:14 nokia_app: you cannot use whatsapp from the n900 Jun 25 16:14:22 nokia_app, just use the built-in IM app Jun 25 16:14:24 it's like having 6 different music players for 6 different music services Jun 25 16:14:28 dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:i1386 Jun 25 16:14:35 "i386"!!! Jun 25 16:14:48 zhasha: im not sure why you are telling me that, that is something else Jun 25 16:14:53 MohammadAG, there is no such thing as i1386 Jun 25 16:16:02 Venemo_N900:but the built in app features only skype, fb, gmail, jabber, sip. Jun 25 16:16:02 wtf Jun 25 16:16:15 valdyn_: hardly. telepathy is designed to eliminate that exact problem Jun 25 16:16:18 I always thought it was 1386 Jun 25 16:16:46 zhasha: i like it, sure, but it doesnt solve what whatsapp solves Jun 25 16:17:05 zhasha: ideally telepathy would be able to connect to whatsapp, sure, but it doesnt Jun 25 16:17:14 valdyn_: if it's XMPP, it does Jun 25 16:17:42 zhasha: lets see what google knows Jun 25 16:17:45 xmpp-android.whatsapp.net ? Jun 25 16:17:52 nokia_app, it also features facebook, gtalk, and more. plus msn if you install it, and more Jun 25 16:17:55 valdyn_: I refer you for the 3rd time: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 Jun 25 16:18:32 foud a german blog who says WhatsApp does not use any encryption .. nice :D Jun 25 16:18:46 found* Jun 25 16:21:05 Venemo_N900: but if my friends're using whatsapp, i can't use it right? Jun 25 16:21:14 I installed meego on an external ssd and uboot tells me only: wrong image format for bootm command Jun 25 16:21:22 Does anybody understand what might went wrong? Jun 25 16:21:39 zhasha: not useful Jun 25 16:21:42 it boots maemo, but not meego (using run mmcboot) Jun 25 16:22:01 nokia_app: i cant see anything but official clients being able to connect Jun 25 16:22:42 valdyn_: ok Jun 25 16:23:23 nokia_app: If it helps: WebOS users also have no chance to connect .. :) Jun 25 16:24:25 i cant even recall creating an account for whatsapp, so it has to be using the sim Jun 25 16:24:51 that would have pretty evil implications if someone created a 3rd party implementation Jun 25 16:26:34 gri: i've set up my IM facebook account.. how do i start IMing now? nothing happens after i click sign in Jun 25 16:26:37 valdyn_: Mostly all "app stores" have callbacks when an user installs the application. They receive an unique identifier which gets transmitted to their servers. So even if you decompile the whole android software, you won't be able to register Jun 25 16:27:10 gri: whatsapp isnt necessarily from an app store Jun 25 16:27:51 gri: would it use sms in that case? Jun 25 16:27:57 hmm Jun 25 16:28:09 gri: im to clueless about mobile networks.. Jun 25 16:28:10 valdyn_: You're right ... I've seen the way I described with other services Jun 25 16:28:13 how do I unmount scratchbox mounts? Jun 25 16:28:38 nokia_app: Your contacts get extended Jun 25 16:28:39 MohammadAG: sbox_ctl stop Jun 25 16:28:59 MohammadAG, /scratchbox/sbin/sb_conf stop Jun 25 16:29:04 or something like that Jun 25 16:29:06 /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop Jun 25 16:29:10 yep i just noticed that Jun 25 16:29:10 nokia_app: Now you may have duplicate contacts which you can join to one contact Jun 25 16:29:16 javispedro, that got removed Jun 25 16:29:21 hah Jun 25 16:29:22 reboot =) Jun 25 16:29:25 nevermind, I did all unmounts manually Jun 25 16:29:50 if you did not umount everything, and you rm -rf /scratchbox, say goodbye to your home. Jun 25 16:30:03 MohammadAG: you can always use umount -l Jun 25 16:30:16 MohammadAG: thats not exactly clean but may be clean enough Jun 25 16:30:19 javispedro, too late, did that a year ago Jun 25 16:30:24 heh Jun 25 16:30:27 best way to learn =) Jun 25 16:30:36 it removed /dev/* and my server was useless for 2 months Jun 25 16:30:48 valdyn_, normal umounts worked Jun 25 16:31:26 gri, nokia_app: need to install "merge duplicate contacts" for that Jun 25 16:31:56 ah yeah Jun 25 16:32:03 sbox_ctl and not sb_conf Jun 25 16:32:38 zhasha: ok Jun 25 16:33:37 lol elop Jun 25 16:36:02 hmmmmm can anybody help a little with the simulator in qtcreator? Jun 25 16:36:54 if the thing is reallly price over 599 pounds it is going to be like a joke Jun 25 16:37:52 or explain why my app doesn't look maemo-ish when running on it? Jun 25 16:37:56 599 POUNDS? Jun 25 16:37:58 wtf? Jun 25 16:38:32 MoonTiger: afaik you don't get the maemo styles in the qt simulator Jun 25 16:38:41 at least it used to be like that Jun 25 16:39:03 merlin1991, ok thnx ... so dialogs etc look like generic desktop dialogs etc? Jun 25 16:39:17 yep Jun 25 16:39:46 how do i include the maemo specific qt headers? if you don't mind me asking ... i cannot seem to find them Jun 25 16:40:14 javispedro: i saw estimates of $600 for the N9 Jun 25 16:40:55 MoonTiger: you might be interested in http://maintenance.maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/qt_creator_and_scratchbox/ Jun 25 16:41:07 uuuugghhh scratchbox :( Jun 25 16:41:19 but thnx for the link and help :) Jun 25 16:42:25 hehe, yea scratchbox Jun 25 16:42:44 i think i'll use the simulator and then the device itself Jun 25 16:42:59 i use arch 64bit and scratchbox is even more of a bitch on tht Jun 25 16:43:11 scratchbox rules Jun 25 16:43:20 javispedro: :) Jun 25 16:43:25 javispedro, really? Jun 25 16:43:34 javispedro, I'm getting permission denied on /scratchbox/login Jun 25 16:43:38 and no run_me_first Jun 25 16:43:52 MohammadAG: have you added yourself to sbox group? Jun 25 16:43:58 MohammadAG, have you tried run-away-screaming? Jun 25 16:44:16 MoonTiger: ya really. Jun 25 16:44:23 :| Jun 25 16:44:51 javispedro, i tried to use ot for developing a share plugin and it is a massive fail Jun 25 16:44:56 ot/it Jun 25 16:45:10 I am NOT listening! Jun 25 16:45:24 * MoonTiger sighs Jun 25 16:46:02 scratchbox is a bit more sane than madde imo Jun 25 16:46:20 hm is there an easy way to discover all clients in the local subnet from the commandline with buildin tools? Jun 25 16:46:29 javispedro, shouldn't it do that? Jun 25 16:47:02 * jonwil is currently working on cloning hald-addon-bme Jun 25 16:47:13 MohammadAG: I do not think it will add yourself to the group automatically, the question is why you where not added previously Jun 25 16:47:28 "discoverallclientsinthelocalsubnet", it's a UNIX tool xP Jun 25 16:48:11 javispedro, I was in "sbox" afaik Jun 25 16:48:15 Someone said they wanted a clone of hald-addon-bme earlier... Jun 25 16:48:49 MohammadAG: maybe it changed gid, dunno, check it.. Jun 25 16:48:52 MohammadAG: fu! Jun 25 16:49:39 ERROR: You don't have permission to run '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid'. Jun 25 16:49:39 Maybe you have not logged out and in again after being added to sbox group. Jun 25 16:49:57 but I just removed myself and added myself to sbox Jun 25 16:50:13 log out and in into your host session Jun 25 16:50:15 trust me Jun 25 16:50:18 (and started a new shell) Jun 25 16:50:20 I'd reboot =) Jun 25 16:51:52 part Jun 25 16:52:18 weird Jun 25 16:55:51 ~seen DocScrutinizer Jun 25 16:55:55 docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (12h 22m) #meego (12h 22m) #openmoko (12h 22m) #infobot (12h 22m) #openmoko-cdevel (12h 22m). Has said a total of 239 messages. Is idling for 5m 22s, last said: 'but thanks :-)'. Jun 25 16:56:59 reboot worked Jun 25 16:57:09 I get sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory Jun 25 16:57:11 SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH not set. Jun 25 16:57:45 Am I the only one who thinks that the touchscreen on the N900 is better than the touchscreen on my families iPhones and HTC Desires? Jun 25 16:58:29 No. Jun 25 16:58:40 I hate using the capacitive screen on my nook color Jun 25 16:58:58 "did I click the link? No, it clicked the other one near it. Oh wait, it didn't register." Jun 25 17:00:29 jonwil: you are in the latest resistive stronghold Jun 25 17:00:47 I never understood why manufacturers prefer capacative over resistive Jun 25 17:00:54 sadly, it is soon going to be broken too, with the n9 being capacitive Jun 25 17:00:55 Resistive seems superior from where I sit Jun 25 17:01:28 capacitive is simpler for the touch Jun 25 17:01:45 wmarone, or worse: "Did I just click something?" Jun 25 17:02:50 javispedro, any ideas? before I rm -rf :P Jun 25 17:02:54 I'm mistakenly clicking things and dragging things across screen accidentally on my netbook's capaitive touchpad Jun 25 17:03:15 MohammadAG: check the target conf (sb-conf show) Jun 25 17:03:46 sb-conf: Invalid compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Jun 25 17:04:14 you have: a) deleted the fremantle toolchain (so your fremantle is now broken =) ) b) misconfigured the target Jun 25 17:04:19 hmm, no softfp compiler Jun 25 17:04:34 codesource 2007 is fremantle Jun 25 17:04:36 *sourcery Jun 25 17:05:18 so http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7_1.0.16.1-8_amd64.deb should work right? Jun 25 17:05:58 yes Jun 25 17:06:33 yay, Nokia's servers are giving me 600kb/s Jun 25 17:06:37 * keithzg shall also miss the resistive screen of the N900, but them's the breaks Jun 25 17:26:26 seems like I'm getting a backup n900 Jun 25 17:26:43 someone's selling one for 200usd, 2 weeks old. Jun 25 17:27:04 maybe that'll motivate me to do some work for it. Jun 25 17:27:31 way too cheap Jun 25 17:27:52 i could sell it for $400 in germany Jun 25 17:28:08 mrdongle2, even with english keyboard? Jun 25 17:28:18 partly because of the engl keyboard Jun 25 17:28:23 they are in short supply here Jun 25 17:28:58 http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B003CZZ3JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309022776&sr=8-1 Jun 25 17:29:19 used one going for $600 Jun 25 17:29:40 mrdongle2: I know. It's some noob who is probably unhappy with it. Jun 25 17:29:46 and nobody wants it. Jun 25 17:29:50 congrats Jun 25 17:29:57 well, at least where she's selling it Jun 25 17:30:38 if i wanted to have the sql reqd to create the database for my app included in the project can i just add it as "other file" and ref it from the app at runtime? Jun 25 17:31:08 by the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page it should be pretty decent. Jun 25 17:31:18 s/page/page states/ Jun 25 17:31:20 Shapeshifter meant: by the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page states it should be pretty decent. Jun 25 17:31:22 Shapeshifter, i got one from the US for $300 recently ... perfect condition Jun 25 17:32:47 well I'm not normally the type to hoard devices but considering it's so cheap... if I get something else, I can still sell it for the same price probably Jun 25 17:38:55 nokia could have saved money and put an omap3 in the E7, along with bigger battery Jun 25 17:39:05 and had a high-end fone for harmattan Jun 25 17:41:01 http://wiki.meego.com/images/SDcard_benchmarking_060611.jpg well that's not good yet. Jun 25 17:42:17 nokia could not have hired elop. Jun 25 17:44:33 Shapeshifter: some of those things shouldn't rely on SD card Jun 25 17:44:41 bad chart Jun 25 17:47:17 MeeGo Manhattan Jun 25 17:47:21 I'm in favor. Jun 25 17:47:37 success Jun 25 17:47:43 a paused SDL application that does not even appear in to Jun 25 17:47:44 p Jun 25 17:48:06 and it doesn't cause pulseaudio to consume the world's reserves of RAM Jun 25 17:48:28 unpause it and pulse quickly goes up to 2% mem 20% cpu again Jun 25 17:49:31 GAN900: after hatterman there's nothing better. Jun 25 17:50:17 i like it GAN900 Jun 25 17:50:26 but project_42 is more awesome for a name Jun 25 17:50:27 :P Jun 25 17:52:05 mrdongle2, pretty much everything needs I/O Jun 25 17:55:35 very nice javispedro Jun 25 17:55:47 did u issue sigsusp Jun 25 17:55:56 no, that is cheating. Jun 25 17:56:26 then you hacked sdl library? Jun 25 17:56:45 I am doing one based on Palm's changes to it Jun 25 17:56:59 javispedro iz mad haccr Jun 25 17:59:03 it also comes with neon-enhanced mixer and other niceties =) Jun 25 18:04:53 javispedro: do you plan to release it as a CSSU upgrade, or require SDL games to link explicitly to it Jun 25 18:05:07 latter Jun 25 18:05:52 it is not abi compatible. Jun 25 18:07:08 I just reactivated my N900 and Nokias repositories arent working. Did anything change there? Jun 25 18:08:07 ( maemo.org repos work fine.. ) Jun 25 18:10:14 mm, guess its my router since this seems to be the only https repos Jun 25 18:14:09 do you have proxy settings on your internet connection for n900? Jun 25 18:15:22 I'm not saying you need it, but if you have settings fot http, but not https, it'd break Jun 25 18:16:07 nah, but my router transparently proxies just http, not https Jun 25 18:17:11 that in conjunction with this crap fonero wlan ap.. if repos did not change thats the only possible reason Jun 25 18:51:35 ~seen jonwill Jun 25 18:51:37 i haven't seen 'jonwill', DocScrutinizer Jun 25 18:51:40 ~seen jonwil Jun 25 18:51:41 jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 50m 45s ago, saying: 'Resistive seems superior from where I sit'. Jun 25 19:00:27 hi folks Jun 25 19:01:08 I got a problem when I ran scons in scratchbox2 Jun 25 19:02:31 gcc exit with -11 when it was ran by scons, but it returned successfully when I executed it directly. Jun 25 19:07:38 ***yawn*** Jun 25 19:29:42 hm, is someelse experiencing, when streaming his webcam to his computer via "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=800,height=480 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink" a rather yellowish tone to the stream? Jun 25 19:31:45 *anbody else --- sorry for the typo Jun 25 19:34:36 cant say it's something i've tried Jun 25 19:35:58 mikki-kun: yes, yellowish it is Jun 25 19:37:26 petteri: hm, if the front-cam would give it's blue there it might turn out to be nicely colored (you can test it out just by switching /dev/video0 to /dev/video1 and the width to 640) Jun 25 19:38:16 mikki-kun: sorry, I don't have my n900 here right now Jun 25 19:38:20 i saw a chat software in a nokia 810 that i wanted to run on my ubuntu Jun 25 19:38:27 sadly the name is "chat" Jun 25 19:38:35 pretty hard to help me to find it Jun 25 19:39:49 cablop: maybe search with terms regarding the protocols it had, maybe some bugs or trouble you know off and mix that up Jun 25 19:40:02 just "chat" is indeed pretty difficult to find :/ Jun 25 19:40:15 i tried that also Jun 25 19:40:39 to say chat msn or chat yahoo or chat whatever protocol will naturally throw me pidgin, live messenger, skype, Jun 25 19:40:44 i mean the official releases Jun 25 19:43:07 GeneralAntilles: lulz, i totally had a dream that i got a call about the n950 dev program and then they accepted me, and i was like woo, and then i had another dream that i thought the first thing was a dream but then discovered it was actually not. then i actually woke up, and we're at the present. :P Jun 25 19:43:36 my life is apparently really boring, so that's the crap i dream about T_T Jun 25 19:49:27 I though that you woke up and you were the president =) Jun 25 19:50:16 hello Jun 25 19:54:47 rm_you, that sucks. Jun 25 19:55:07 rm_you, well, it's no worse than dreaming about working the first half of the day then having to wake up and start over. Jun 25 20:02:26 lol T_T Jun 25 20:07:41 hm, regarding the yellowish stream the n900 throws... i don't know what happened, but it seems, that as soom as i started the camera app or the flashlight app and then retrying the colors got actually corrected Jun 25 20:14:23 http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/nokias-stephen-elop-is-still-over-meego-even-if-the-n9-is-a-hi/ Jun 25 20:14:27 Holy hell, 1010 comments. Jun 25 20:14:33 yes Jun 25 20:14:39 lots of back and forth Jun 25 20:16:16 WP7 fans are bizarre. Jun 25 20:16:26 They're worse than iOS and Android fans. Jun 25 20:16:36 At least those guys have something to point to as a success. Jun 25 20:16:48 and at least Android has some room for contributors. Jun 25 20:16:54 WP7 are like Tegra fans. Jun 25 20:16:57 they are making the assumption that Microsoft = guaranteed success Jun 25 20:17:33 Yes Jun 25 20:17:42 Which certainly hasn't proved correct in the mobile space so far. Jun 25 20:17:49 US consumers haven't forgotten Windows Mobile. Jun 25 20:18:35 Microsoft always = success! Jun 25 20:19:17 I think MS is banking on most modern phone buyers being unaware that WM existed Jun 25 20:20:48 considering they are calling it 7 buyers will ask... what happened to 1-6 Jun 25 20:21:13 "oh it's just tied to windows 7" Jun 25 20:23:13 lmao @ the current 2nd comment: "You're all idiots. WP7 is a lot more widespread of an OS than MeeGo" Jun 25 20:23:19 wtf? Jun 25 20:23:37 merlin1991, well on a scale of 0 - 0 sure Jun 25 20:23:44 it's 0.0 instead of 0.00 Jun 25 20:24:17 there are probably more meego handset installs than wp7 installs Jun 25 20:24:32 I see ruskie, you're toally right wp7 is the one and only ;) Jun 25 20:24:39 hehe Jun 25 20:40:57 can anyone here point me to a lively computer hardware chat? Jun 25 20:49:43 foolish91, this channel is lively Jun 25 20:49:59 everybody has fun chatting about their iphones and android devices here Jun 25 20:50:38 ahh I was thinking more like talk about laptop / notebook spec Jun 25 20:51:40 could some of you plese post here: the output of ># md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; plus what's your fiasco version you're using (international|US|...) and the version if not PR1.3 Jun 25 20:51:43 thanks Jun 25 20:52:59 I just got a sony c series, custom with i7, 6gb ram and 1gb amd graphics. You reckon this is a good set up for the next 2/3 years? Jun 25 20:53:15 why there is no curl binary for maemo? Jun 25 20:53:50 if there is none , no one made one Jun 25 20:54:25 DocScrutinizer: md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 pr1.3 international Jun 25 20:54:34 ah sry Jun 25 20:54:40 6d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 Jun 25 20:54:43 terminal fail :D Jun 25 20:54:52 is there some smart command to check which applications who is installed in rootfs and which is installed in opt? Jun 25 20:55:11 I don't believe no one had ever need the curl on N900... Jun 25 20:55:33 merlin1991: yup, that's what I got here as well, now I'd be interested if somebody got some different hash Jun 25 20:55:34 there is libcurl and thats about enough :D Jun 25 20:55:48 foolish91 > ##hardware Jun 25 20:56:20 psycho_oreos: cheers Jun 25 20:58:34 DocScrutinizer, i got the same too (pr1.3 updated from 1.2 as shipped) Jun 25 20:58:40 somebody with USA fiasco willing to run md5sum? Jun 25 20:59:02 nox-: veersion? Jun 25 20:59:30 where do i see that? Jun 25 21:00:00 err, e.g under settings-about in the lengthy product number Jun 25 21:00:48 20.2010.36-2 Jun 25 21:01:06 osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION Jun 25 21:01:35 MR0 is international Jun 25 21:02:12 yeah its mr0 Jun 25 21:03:31 md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION Jun 25 21:04:10 paste result please, if not *9717 *MR0 Jun 25 21:04:38 err Jun 25 21:04:43 *9717ae Jun 25 21:04:47 paste result please, if not *9717ae *MR0 Jun 25 21:04:54 both my devices are like that Jun 25 21:04:57 yep have those Jun 25 21:05:34 nobody with US version around? Jun 25 21:05:35 one is SWE/FIN the other is EN US. according to the full osso-product-info output Jun 25 21:05:56 my kbd is US, but that's it Jun 25 21:38:11 * vi__ moo Jun 25 21:38:11 you know what is lacking on maemo5? Jun 25 21:38:13 cowsay and gnu fortune. Jun 25 21:43:42 * javispedro sighs Jun 25 21:44:07 javispedro: at the lack of cowsay Jun 25 21:44:10 if you thought h-d's logic was incomprehensible, wait and see mcompositor's Jun 25 21:44:25 the number of variables has exploded Jun 25 21:44:36 as it now even reads wheter the phone is on an outgoing or incoming call Jun 25 21:46:33 vi__: you got no international version, right? Jun 25 21:47:08 md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION Jun 25 21:47:12 paste result please, if not *9717 *MR0 Jun 25 21:47:29 damn, again Jun 25 21:47:42 paste result please, if not *9717ae *MR0 Jun 25 21:50:45 DocScrutinizer: same Jun 25 21:51:15 GB or INTERNATIONAL? Jun 25 21:51:46 Interenational Jun 25 21:51:52 * DocScrutinizer starts to doubt OSSO_VERSION Jun 25 21:51:54 I don't think there is a 1.3 UK Jun 25 21:52:00 aah Jun 25 21:52:10 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Jun 25 21:53:42 SpeedEvil: you got any idea which version jonwil is using, and particularly what version of libsms.so his patch was against? Jun 25 21:53:49 Nope Jun 25 21:55:22 anyone here got a pointer on how to handel files that start an application over mime association on the application side? Jun 25 22:01:16 merlin1991: elaborate =) Jun 25 22:01:32 though my magic 8-ball says the keyword you should be googling for is hildon mime Jun 25 22:01:50 I'll try the 8balls advice Jun 25 22:02:02 but I don't think I'll get much further than with my earlier tries :D Jun 25 22:06:14 javispedro, basically, what he wants is to find the mime type of a file Jun 25 22:06:27 or the first part of it, the one that says music/ or video/ Jun 25 22:08:42 MohammadAG: I can speak for myself :D Jun 25 22:09:23 just helping out merlin1991 :P Jun 25 22:09:28 javispedro, can you help with linking? Jun 25 22:09:39 if .so files are there, why is the linker failing to the find the lib? Jun 25 22:10:13 "strace -e trace=open" the linker and you'll find where is it searching for them Jun 25 22:11:25 point is, how does it look for them? the .pc file is there Jun 25 22:11:53 merlin1991: http://developer.gnome.org/gnome-vfs/2.24/gnome-vfs-2.0-gnome-vfs-mime.html#gnome-vfs-mime-type-from-name-or-default Jun 25 22:12:01 (dunno if gtk has an equivalent, but hildon uses that) Jun 25 22:12:05 s/gtk/qt Jun 25 22:12:40 MohammadAG: it looks for them on a set of default system paths (/usr/lib, /usr/lib/gcc/...) plus wherever you tell it to find it them via -L Jun 25 22:13:04 pkg-config is just a layer that is on top of all of this Jun 25 22:13:22 (pkg-config = .pc files) Jun 25 22:13:43 javispedro, /usr/lib/libqjson.so* exists, but it fails to find it Jun 25 22:13:58 linker cmd line? Jun 25 22:14:01 Qt has no equivalent of gnome-vfs-mime Jun 25 22:14:23 it should have something about mime Jun 25 22:14:30 or maybe kde has it Jun 25 22:14:45 g++ -shared -Wl,-soname,libqfacebook.so.1 -o libqfacebook.so.1.0.0 qfacebook.o graphapi.o qfacebookreply.o moc_qfacebookreply.o -L/usr/lib -lqjson -lQtNetwork -lQtCore -lpthread Jun 25 22:14:54 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lqjson Jun 25 22:15:45 note that "libqjson.so" must exist Jun 25 22:15:58 not .so.* Jun 25 22:16:06 s/not/not only Jun 25 22:16:45 err, weird, why doesn't it create that Jun 25 22:16:53 run ldconfig Jun 25 22:17:11 and install -dev package if existing Jun 25 22:17:17 created the symlink myself, but why doesn't qjson's source make that Jun 25 22:17:24 javispedro, clone from git repo Jun 25 22:20:05 moo Jun 25 22:20:52 * MohammadAG runs sociality in Harmattan SDK Jun 25 22:20:59 MohammadAG , how's the lockscreen going? Jun 25 22:21:02 I wonder how bad it'll look, without stacked windows Jun 25 22:21:11 Hurrian, spent my time installing the Harmattan SDK Jun 25 22:21:29 MohammadAG: mcompositor does have something about stacked windows too Jun 25 22:21:31 ah, k Jun 25 22:21:48 javispedro, yes, but I'm not sure if there's a way to do them in Qt Jun 25 22:21:55 it's an atom as usual Jun 25 22:21:56 I know about MTF Jun 25 22:22:15 ah Jun 25 22:22:45 hmm, segfault Jun 25 22:24:02 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vhMdx7YL Jun 25 22:27:10 MohammadAG: time to curse all while opening gdb Jun 25 22:28:25 javispedro, not sure how I can gdb + meego-run at the same time Jun 25 22:28:37 meego-run gdb ./app Jun 25 22:31:23 0xf424431f in AbstractSensorChannelInterface::call(QDBus::CallMode, QString const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&) () Jun 25 22:31:38 from /usr/lib/libsensorclient.so.1 Jun 25 22:31:38 the fuck Jun 25 22:31:39 I do not even want to know =) Jun 25 22:31:53 I don't even use sensors in the app Jun 25 22:32:11 javispedro: I owe you a beer, works like a charm :) Jun 25 22:32:24 merlin1991, seriously? all I got was NULL :S Jun 25 22:32:38 using a slightly different method than you Jun 25 22:32:52 returns nice char* like "audio/mpeg" Jun 25 22:33:23 I used gnome_vfs_get_mime or something Jun 25 22:33:28 oh well, nice to see it's working Jun 25 22:33:43 what the hell Jun 25 22:33:46 the UI boots in HARMATTAN_ARMEL Jun 25 22:34:02 for a moment I even forgot I was in armel Jun 25 22:34:04 gnome_vfs_get_mime_type_for_name did the trick Jun 25 22:34:18 now strip what's after the /, if the playlist isn't the audio/video playlist, assign that, clear the playlist, add the file, start playback, launch appropriate window Jun 25 22:34:30 what the hell Jun 25 22:34:32 javispedro, they probably introduced qemu Jun 25 22:34:35 noob question, what is the address to the folder which is mounted over USB? Jun 25 22:34:38 the UI not only boots in armel, it's faster than x86. Jun 25 22:34:42 classes you need are NowPlayingWindow and VideoNowPlayingWindow Jun 25 22:34:44 Atarii ~/MyDocs Jun 25 22:34:55 as well as MafwPlaylistAdapter and the playlist manager :P Jun 25 22:35:02 this is... interesting. ever since participating in the enhanced lockscreen thread, my post to thanks ratio is quickly approaching 1:1 Jun 25 22:35:23 there's always a MusicWindow instance with those, use the last from it Jun 25 22:35:47 ah thanks Hurrian, I think I couldn't see what I wanted as I had to unplug Jun 25 22:36:25 first time I see natively accelerated Xephyr, and it's on ARMEL target :S Jun 25 22:39:33 ah well, misteries. Jun 25 23:17:01 so, there's agoing to be this civil war between meegopurists and harmattanists/nokians, which side are you going to choose? Jun 25 23:17:38 The bandits! Jun 25 23:17:55 javispedro, anything new and exciting since I was last looking? Jun 25 23:17:58 I dunno I see the point of meegopurists, but on they other hand they still have to ship me a handset device that I can support them :D Jun 25 23:18:12 GeneralAntilles: actually not, I read it on twitter Jun 25 23:18:44 also javispedro generally I'm on my side ;) Jun 25 23:18:59 I do have to admit that meegopurists do have a point Jun 25 23:19:06 Yeah, I get where they're coming from. Jun 25 23:19:07 But damn Jun 25 23:19:13 At this point you gotta take what you can get Jun 25 23:19:17 It's not an academic project. Jun 25 23:19:25 it's trivially easy to now start building harmattan-only applications Jun 25 23:19:35 completely disregarding the pure meego project. Jun 25 23:19:48 and in fact, imo, that's what is going to happen. Jun 25 23:19:58 javispedro, you have a blog? . . . Jun 25 23:20:22 Well, I think it's our job to help educate people Jun 25 23:20:24 I have a blog _and_ a twitter feed and all I do is IRC. Jun 25 23:20:27 =) Jun 25 23:20:53 The whole Qt Components/Qt Quick/Qt Politics stuff was a bit bizarre. Jun 25 23:21:14 it is stillb izarre, and no one is going to limit themselves to a safe subset of the entire bizarro zone Jun 25 23:21:35 hi.. I might have a serious problem with my n900 Jun 25 23:22:32 vivaino was talking about working to bring them back together. Jun 25 23:22:46 I haven't been paying enough attention to the API issues. Jun 25 23:23:05 But it seems like most of the incompatibility issues aren't insurmountable. Jun 25 23:23:27 probably. Jun 25 23:23:40 I noticed today that when I tap the status menu I get some weird pixelissues all over the screen. like big black triangles from top left corner flickering for a few seconds before staying in place so that almost half the screen is covered with em Jun 25 23:24:07 either way, I do believe getting the harmattan love to meego is going to need a lot of push Jun 25 23:24:14 Where the hell are community packages going, anyway? Jun 25 23:24:23 so whenever I press the power button or tap the status area with finger/stylus, that happens Jun 25 23:24:33 arvut, you been overclocking? Jun 25 23:24:37 nope Jun 25 23:24:38 arvut, have you gotten your N900 wet recently? Jun 25 23:24:48 GeneralAntilles: not really Jun 25 23:25:00 and this only happens when I do that Jun 25 23:25:15 all app switching and other menus works fine Jun 25 23:25:37 GeneralAntilles: I am more worried about the fact that now all of us old Maemoers are now going to push all of our crap to the meticulously designed Meego repos. If there was any kind of infrastructure, it's going to be completely overrun. Jun 25 23:26:00 for example, I see there's even a Intent-To-Package queue on the Wiki. But noone knows that. Jun 25 23:26:02 actually. a small black triangle at low left bottom for a split sec when ctrl+backspace too :( Jun 25 23:26:19 arvut: have you rebooted already? Jun 25 23:27:01 javispedro: yeah, did earlier when cam froze at auto video mode, forced shutdown and then did a reboot Jun 25 23:27:28 could it be moisture damage you think? Jun 25 23:27:39 (spelling?) Jun 25 23:28:01 irssi works fine and everything else too Jun 25 23:28:08 if you believe it is moisture, shut it down, remove battery and let it rest. Jun 25 23:28:19 for how long? Jun 25 23:28:24 a week? Jun 25 23:28:31 javispedro, so, I guess what we need to do is summarize the important differences Jun 25 23:28:41 Figure out what areas we can work to minimize them Jun 25 23:28:46 get people doing that Jun 25 23:29:21 arvut: Place in a hot place - ~60C for several days Jun 25 23:29:25 and make sure we're clear about what the differences are in the infra places we have input in. Jun 25 23:29:41 anyway ty, will follow your advice and hope for improvements Jun 25 23:29:54 SpeedEvil: doubt I can do that actually Jun 25 23:30:03 switching to laptop, brb Jun 25 23:30:06 arvut: at least for a few hours.. Jun 25 23:30:19 Goddamn Finns. Jun 25 23:30:19 GeneralAntilles, I had the same question, can't say the answer on #meego helped Jun 25 23:30:27 We don't have an N9 and they're doing shit like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/5865395281/in/contacts/ Jun 25 23:30:41 I already packaged qjson and qfacebook, but what's the use Jun 25 23:31:18 MohammadAG: if you want to be in good shape, I'd try following the path for meego netbook first. Jun 25 23:31:24 regardless, I hope the same extras-devel process stays the same, having a repo for each person/dev is gonna clutter lists Jun 25 23:32:13 But, we're probably best qualified (and most willing) to work on this. Jun 25 23:32:28 As N950s are going to start showing up in the hand's of devs RSN Jun 25 23:32:33 It should probably be a priority. Jun 25 23:32:56 SpeedEvil: is 60°C sensible? *points at LCD and the internal components* Jun 25 23:33:54 60C is about what it's going to reach in a moderately warm car. Jun 25 23:33:58 Remove the battery first. Jun 25 23:33:58 it'd be really funny if there were community repos for N9, and they became full with random games and other crap requiring keyboard to get out of or use Jun 25 23:34:19 Having said that - my n900 was operating fine for several hours loggin GPS at 60C Jun 25 23:34:41 I put my N900 in the fridge once Jun 25 23:35:19 I just realized emulators won't run as is on the N9 Jun 25 23:35:42 you mean due to lack of keyb? Jun 25 23:35:51 SpeedEvil: on some LCDs 50°C is given as a max value Jun 25 23:38:01 N810 is specified as http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-810/technical-specifications -30 to 80C intermittent Jun 25 23:38:05 operating Jun 25 23:38:23 hi again Jun 25 23:38:36 javispedro, somebody needs to get Jaffa to blog about this. Jun 25 23:39:25 heh Jun 25 23:39:26 so, has any of you encountered this kind of.. behaviour from a n900 before? Jun 25 23:39:39 arvut: yes, but it usually goes away with a reboot. Jun 25 23:39:43 arvut: you sure you didn't break anything? Jun 25 23:39:43 oh Jun 25 23:40:00 GeneralAntilles, after the 10-0 maemo.org vs ovi store, the leaders created new competition that only ovi store can win ;P Jun 25 23:40:01 arvut, when my friend got his wet at Islands of Adventure. Jun 25 23:40:08 mikki-kun: nothing visable, so can't tell if I did Jun 25 23:40:33 GeneralAntilles: ah, and its alive today? Jun 25 23:40:33 X-Fade will be useful in this endeavor, too. Jun 25 23:40:42 arvut, yes. Jun 25 23:40:54 x-fade? wow ty, thats.. reassuring somehow Jun 25 23:41:05 lol Jun 25 23:41:15 I do have ensurance ofcourse but I luv my lil phone =P' Jun 25 23:41:25 arvut: x-fade is useful for the other topic we are discussing, not your wet n900 Jun 25 23:41:26 I think you're confusing two thrads of conversation Jun 25 23:41:32 * GeneralAntilles is multitalking. Jun 25 23:41:48 arvut: did you install anything recently? Jun 25 23:41:50 multitalk/task ftw =) Jun 25 23:41:57 GeneralAntilles: i hope on the n900 ;) Jun 25 23:42:18 mikki-kun: hmm, health check =) nice app really but that was like a week ago Jun 25 23:42:32 checks battery status and dead pixles for examle Jun 25 23:42:36 example* Jun 25 23:43:41 its rather wet outdoors here in stockholm tho, visiting relatives but I doubt the moisture could get in and ruin it that easy. a freshly built house and all Jun 25 23:43:42 hm, and so far, does it happen on a special occasion? Jun 25 23:43:47 good morning Jun 25 23:44:03 yeah, when I push the powerbutton to check status Jun 25 23:44:12 Termana: evening =) Jun 25 23:44:13 status? Jun 25 23:44:14 or night Jun 25 23:44:20 Termana: good morning :) Jun 25 23:44:47 well you know, battery level, connect to network, the top bar you can tap on the touchscreen which sums it all up Jun 25 23:44:59 near the clock Jun 25 23:45:11 ahhhh, i thought you mentioned the physical button on top of it Jun 25 23:45:42 well, thats just a shortcut when I don't wanna use the touchscreen to do it Jun 25 23:45:59 its when the menu scrolls down that this happens Jun 25 23:46:18 hm, so you changed the behaviour of the powerbutton? Jun 25 23:46:19 to me it seems like if Harmattan and Meego made a first attempt at approaching a year or so ago, then forgot about approaching altogether and each went its own way Jun 25 23:46:19 and minimally when you press ctrl+backspace Jun 25 23:46:42 which is the cause of things like MTF deprecation in 1.3 when virtually _all_ of Harmattan is MTF, etc. Jun 25 23:46:57 javispedro: may i ask what MTF is? Jun 25 23:47:03 mikki-kun: hmm, maybe when it was new, when I press it it will show me that menu, if the screen is unlocked that is Jun 25 23:47:16 if not then the slider to unlock it appears as usual Jun 25 23:47:21 mikki-kun: libmeegotouch Jun 25 23:47:30 if doublepressed, lock Jun 25 23:47:48 mikki-kun: MTF is the meego touch framework Jun 25 23:47:51 btw, hows meego turning out= Jun 25 23:47:53 ? Jun 25 23:48:07 hm, when i press on my powerbutton i cannot switch connections and see the network and battery power and such Jun 25 23:48:16 * arvut still haven't tried it. should do so on this laptop first i think Jun 25 23:49:01 only restart and phone, shut it down, switch profile and end the current task if one's running Jun 25 23:49:20 mikki-kun: if you tap the area next to the app changerbutton then you get that menu, I also get it when I press the powerbutton once If the screen is unlocked Jun 25 23:49:45 oh, I might have modified the contents of that menu awhile ago =) Jun 25 23:50:12 hm, it might be some of those configurations might be fighting over who's now popping up Jun 25 23:50:48 in case of doubt whether hardware is broken or not, maybe make a backup and flash it Jun 25 23:52:02 anyway, when it appears, the box with all that content (it appears as it should) but infront of that, a nasty big triangle, mostly black but with some red stripes in it starts flickering quickly across the screen. mostly visable from top left corner where it then stays (along with some minor ones at each corner Jun 25 23:52:20 blocking ~ half of the sceen Jun 25 23:53:22 mikki-kun: will do that if drying it up doesnt do the job, and if hardware is broken then I'm glad I got reassurance for it Jun 25 23:54:18 btw were there more stories of ppl getting n8.s back who sent in n900.s for `repair'? Jun 25 23:54:20 would I notice any battery drain if hardwarefailure is the reason btw? it did drain awfully quick today too Jun 25 23:54:21 arvut: i personally wouldn't go too high with the temps though, 60°C sounds rather awkward for me... Jun 25 23:54:44 yeah, cant reach 60°c anyway Jun 25 23:55:06 maybe if I put it ontop of this 80° laptop =| Jun 25 23:55:38 arvut: for now why don't you just remove the battery for a few minutes Jun 25 23:55:40 my netbook has an emergy shutdown at 85°C i think Jun 25 23:56:27 javispedro, they're not QML? Jun 25 23:56:31 whats the normal temp of the cpu on a n900 btw? QCPU.. normally says around 300 (overclocking tool I use to check temp, nothing more) Jun 25 23:57:08 MohammadAG: there's no single piece of qml software in the sbox sdk. Jun 25 23:57:14 well, save for the qmlviewer app. Jun 25 23:57:29 javispedro: its done awhile ago, drying up in a shelf until late tomorrow afternoon Jun 25 23:57:34 damn, I thought all the UI was QML Jun 25 23:57:41 and its 01:54 here Jun 25 23:57:47 MohammadAG: most of it is MTF and GraphicsView Jun 25 23:58:17 MTF? QML? Jun 25 23:58:26 interesting acronyms =P Jun 25 23:58:44 javispedro, shows how powerful Qt is without QML Jun 25 23:58:51 my point in this civil war is that if you call harmattan meego, by the same reasoning you could call fremantle meego. Jun 25 23:59:09 arvut: 300? lolwtf?! x) mine has something around uhhhhh.... Jun 25 23:59:13 what's QML and MFT then? Jun 25 23:59:13 arvut: you definitely have no moisture issues. mikki-kun is probably right there is a some sort of race going on that ruins teh displayed data, and sucks battery for powering GFX core all the time Jun 25 23:59:37 but I do see the benefits in calling harmattan meego =) Jun 25 23:59:40 DocScrutinizer: oh.. a reflash then? Jun 25 23:59:46 hmm, I should start a blog I guess ... =) Jun 25 23:59:50 arvut: there's no reliable temp sensor on CPU Jun 25 23:59:54 arvut: i'd also recommend checking on the current drawn and services running Jun 25 23:59:55 it's bogus Jun 26 00:00:04 aha Jun 26 00:00:12 DocScrutinizer: isn't the battery sensor at least sensible? Jun 26 00:00:18 xorg likes to log alot Jun 26 00:00:38 like 2-3% cpu to 100% Jun 26 00:00:48 there is no real battery sensor Jun 26 00:01:02 well, that app is going bye bye then Jun 26 00:01:12 its of no use if the sensors aren't there Jun 26 00:01:29 what usually is called battery temp sensor is the chip temp of the battery management chip Jun 26 00:01:33 and I'm not into overclocking a perfectly neat device Jun 26 00:01:39 "@fakeselop: I'm pleased to announce that we're outsourcing future MeeGo Harmattan development to Burger King." Jun 26 00:02:15 javispedro: lol? Jun 26 00:02:17 arvut: x is okay, it displays all your graphics, it's a pretty essential part when you want anything apart from xterm Jun 26 00:02:18 "Would you like MMS with that?" Jun 26 00:02:23 actually there's a battery temp sensor in the schematics, connected to gaia madc. It probably sits on the pcb close to battery bay Jun 26 00:02:32 javispedro, I actually lol'd Jun 26 00:02:58 mikki-kun: yeah, but it shouldn't peak at 100% cpu for logging should it? or is that process multitasking too? Jun 26 00:03:34 phone is hardly 300° =P Jun 26 00:03:41 * javispedro adds this fakeselop guy to follow list =) Jun 26 00:03:46 ShadowJK: and how to read it out? Jun 26 00:03:47 possibly kelvin Jun 26 00:04:01 but not °c or °f Jun 26 00:04:25 DocScrutinizer, read madc kernel driver, learn how to talk to driver? :P Jun 26 00:04:49 haha, I doubt anybody is doing this, except bme Jun 26 00:05:08 arvut: i am not sure how nokia changed it, but it is rather behaving strange on the n900, my xserver on my netbook sucks usually only at max 5% and that is on heavy duty tasks Jun 26 00:05:12 iirc dsme or mce Jun 26 00:05:29 and bme for bsi (also on madc) Jun 26 00:05:32 arvut: kelvin doesn't have ° in it ;) Jun 26 00:05:40 whoever, I don't see a sensor display for that coming from anywhere Jun 26 00:05:40 mikki-kun: well, its not normally lagging. not even when draining cpu Jun 26 00:06:28 xorg on my n900 is at <10% cpu, xchat and a bunch of xterms running Jun 26 00:06:50 meh, reflash Jun 26 00:06:50 camera wouldn't close today when I started it with auto video tho. red light didn't turn off and cam program didn't respond. so I shut it off manually Jun 26 00:07:13 ShadowJK: does it ever peak at around 90% then? Jun 26 00:07:20 nope Jun 26 00:07:29 k, reflash it is Jun 26 00:07:32 auto-video?? Jun 26 00:07:35 not that ive seen atleast Jun 26 00:07:55 automatic video, yeah. not night video Jun 26 00:08:17 its under cam options. I use the cam a lot Jun 26 00:08:20 where's that? Jun 26 00:09:03 open camera, choose mode (its normally on automatic (big A)) and select that video mode Jun 26 00:09:16 aah, it's called automatic video. No idea what's automatic with that Jun 26 00:09:29 probably light sensors Jun 26 00:09:34 DocScrutinizer: it just works magically ;) that's why it's called "auto" Jun 26 00:09:39 =) Jun 26 00:09:45 autofocus (on start), autoexposure, autoo white balance Jun 26 00:09:58 ah yeah, thats it. ty ShadowJK Jun 26 00:10:40 autoerotic fantasms! Jun 26 00:11:06 mikki-kun: well, could be a badly written app then. as it says 293°c on cpu temp =) 250mhz out of 600 used Jun 26 00:11:22 QCPU-something Jun 26 00:11:39 lol, 293 x) that'd be 15.85°C actually Jun 26 00:11:41 or just QCPU, not sure Jun 26 00:11:52 when cam viewfinder tries to take over the screen, but is somehow messed up, that would quite a bit explain all your observations Jun 26 00:11:55 has gone above 300 tho' Jun 26 00:12:03 which is around room temp Jun 26 00:12:17 uhm, missed a +4 there Jun 26 00:12:19 weird stuff either way Jun 26 00:12:19 >.> Jun 26 00:12:20 * ShadowJK discovered today that only program running on his n900 that linked to qt was modest Jun 26 00:12:30 modest links to qt?? Jun 26 00:12:30 293 to 300? =) Jun 26 00:12:32 arvut: cpu temp is BS. esp if it doesn't change Jun 26 00:12:51 it does, but its probably bs anyway Jun 26 00:12:55 javispedro, grep qt /proc/*/maps :-) Jun 26 00:13:09 ShadowJK: does not compute, modest is Gtk+ Jun 26 00:13:18 lol Jun 26 00:13:20 yep Jun 26 00:14:14 "modest-as-plugin-0" Jun 26 00:14:18 btw, how much does one degree kelvin differ from celsius? Jun 26 00:14:40 something about mail for exchange makes modest link with qt Jun 26 00:14:41 as in, how much is each degree in k, in c Jun 26 00:14:48 find /sys -name '*temp*' Jun 26 00:14:54 1 Jun 26 00:14:55 arvut: 273.15K is 0C Jun 26 00:15:01 javispedro, this guy is gold "Nokia phones will not track you, because according to our Q1 results, you clearly aren't buying them." Jun 26 00:15:15 one kelvin difference is one degree celcius difference Jun 26 00:15:18 :) Jun 26 00:15:38 MohammadAG, also the gos doesn't work ;p Jun 26 00:15:39 ty, thought so. but you did get me confused with the room temp :P Jun 26 00:15:43 gps* Jun 26 00:15:53 LMFAO Reports indicate that Bin Laden let his guard down while trying to free C: memory on his N97. #nokiafightsterrorism Jun 26 00:16:12 lol Jun 26 00:16:29 so 300k would be around 22°c if 293k is 15.85°c? Jun 26 00:16:40 it's just, that the kelvin scale is more important in physics/chemistry as 0K is the absolute zero (which cannot be achieved btw, practically impossible) Jun 26 00:17:05 uhhhh, 293 is actually 19.85 :) made a typo somewhere in my head :/ Jun 26 00:17:07 I have a fridge that goes to 0K Jun 26 00:17:28 mikki-kun: yeah, isnt it like the coldest temp in celsius ever reached so far? Jun 26 00:17:29 SpeedEvil: i beg to differ... =p Jun 26 00:17:34 I accidentally turned it down all the way, and made air-cubes. Jun 26 00:17:34 or is it just math? Jun 26 00:17:36 MohammadAG: I am going to say that the best is this one "EEEELLLLLLLLLL-DAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Jun 26 00:17:52 arvut: you cannot achieve that, it's impossible Jun 26 00:17:55 as in, when particles stop generating heat.. Jun 26 00:18:20 particles dont generate heat Jun 26 00:18:21 lack of heat would maybe stop time =) Jun 26 00:18:23 arvut: particles don't generate heat by themselves, but due to collision mostly ;) Jun 26 00:18:39 yeah, what I meant really Jun 26 00:18:48 indirectly they do tho Jun 26 00:18:51 but i think that now goes to physics Jun 26 00:19:08 as in #physics? =) Jun 26 00:19:13 yeah Jun 26 00:19:24 mikki-kun, lies Jun 26 00:19:28 aha, well I'm going to ##bed Jun 26 00:19:40 Apple's announcing self heat generating particles in the next conference Jun 26 00:20:00 MohammadAG: all professors will epicly facepalm =p Jun 26 00:20:05 not looking forward to it tbh, but I must. b-day celebrations tomorrow and lots to do Jun 26 00:20:19 arvut: yours? Jun 26 00:20:21 mikki-kun, no, they'll buy them cause they're revolutionary, they don't vibrate! Jun 26 00:20:48 word is they have them stored in a fridge under 0K, cause they can Jun 26 00:20:53 anyway, thx for teh chat, was fun and informative. little less worried about my noucko now =)~ Jun 26 00:21:03 MohammadAG: and since when does apple invent new stuff? they stopped back in the 80s Jun 26 00:21:15 mikki-kun: nope, my mom is turning 6 byte, I turned 3 byte in may. Jun 26 00:21:23 they are just good copycats Jun 26 00:21:33 ohhhh, lol XD Jun 26 00:21:42 that's a fun way of expressing age :D Jun 26 00:21:49 mikki-kun: excellent copycats and sneaky SE'ers =P Jun 26 00:22:06 so, nn. I'll be here asap =) Jun 26 00:23:52 sleep well :) Jun 26 00:25:31 * javispedro misses Kate's fine GLESv2 Fremantle wrapper Jun 26 00:25:45 the one imgtec ships for free is pure crap Jun 26 00:28:25 guess whos alive and well again.. ;) Jun 26 00:28:37 noooouckooo!! =D Jun 26 00:29:04 a reboot and some batteryfree time was all it needed Jun 26 00:29:10 why I knew. Jun 26 00:29:50 60 degrees? no? ;P Jun 26 00:30:12 for now why don't you just remove the battery for a few minutes Jun 26 00:31:20 anyway, I've seen iphones die and I'm not overly impressed with those andriods, but this piece of marble I'm impressed with. gj to everyone who contributed to its development :) Jun 26 00:32:06 javispedro: i did do it the first time you told me, the time you also said something about high temps :P Jun 26 00:32:26 switched to laptop for irssiing Jun 26 00:33:15 this keyboard is so my nicer tho. even if its not a laptop sv dvorak layout ;) Jun 26 00:33:45 and the blueness of its irssi! Jun 26 00:34:53 QCPUFreq is the app I mentioned before Jun 26 00:35:23 gonna take another look at it and see what it say now, before uninstalling it. Jun 26 00:36:22 346 degrees C and smartreflex(tm) off Jun 26 00:36:26 lovely Jun 26 00:37:39 CPU heat is not related to the battery Jun 26 00:37:45 battery temp readout Jun 26 00:38:52 well, dangerous bogus app then I guess Jun 26 00:39:38 it allows for overclocking which is just no good Jun 26 00:41:09 wow.. too late now. time truly flies in irc. nite nite once again, I'm !a hen :) Jun 26 00:42:23 my pentium m idles @ 50°C wtf? Jun 26 00:42:52 uh, oh. Jun 26 00:43:16 there's a weird delay when swipe is enabled from touching the screen to the app actually registering the input Jun 26 00:43:39 javispedro, are you on hardware Jun 26 00:43:44 obviously not Jun 26 00:43:52 not obviously :) Jun 26 00:44:46 * javispedro drops some pennies in the direction of lcuk to see if he leaves any cardboard box prototype without vigilance Jun 26 00:45:14 javispedro: the emulator for me has HUGE delays Jun 26 00:45:20 I dunno why though Jun 26 00:46:00 yes, I made an error in my testing Jun 26 00:46:18 it is due to compositor, not anything input Jun 26 00:47:08 my SDK runs as quick as the youtube vids :P Jun 26 00:47:53 though the compositor/window manager behaves differently on the N9 than on the SDK Jun 26 00:48:40 I think my install is broken Jun 26 00:48:52 nah, I never got accelerated output on the _x86_ sdk Jun 26 00:48:56 the view behind the app doesn't peak out when sliding Jun 26 00:49:05 settings panel is empty besides done button Jun 26 00:49:06 MohammadAG: so do you have nvidia? Jun 26 00:49:09 qmlviewer does nothing Jun 26 00:49:10 I would try the ARMEL SDK but I don't have it installed Jun 26 00:49:13 javispedro, yes Jun 26 00:49:18 with propietary? Jun 26 00:49:40 and email client starts but I clicking the configure email button does nothing Jun 26 00:49:48 merlin1991, pass a QML duh :p Jun 26 00:49:51 javispedro, yeah Jun 26 00:50:02 there are issues with dialogs, but the rest is quick Jun 26 00:50:08 javispedro: does the "email" app in the emulator work for you past the first dialog? Jun 26 00:50:22 sbox is not an emulator! Jun 26 00:50:28 sry Jun 26 00:50:30 it does for me Jun 26 00:50:31 asks for an email and a pass Jun 26 00:50:41 yes but I never got it to actually sync mail Jun 26 00:50:52 I can't get past the first dialog :/ Jun 26 00:52:08 the concept of stacked windows is broken in the SDK Jun 26 00:52:22 each window shows on its own in the task manager Jun 26 00:52:43 * javispedro tries to clear a misunderstanding Jun 26 00:52:47 by stacked windows you mean? Jun 26 00:53:19 that thing about the lockscreen stacking window layers? Jun 26 00:53:48 or HildonStackableWindow? Jun 26 00:53:50 javispedro, open the email app (setup part) Jun 26 00:54:01 click "Set up" or Start or Go Jun 26 00:54:18 I cannot reach that part =) Jun 26 00:54:22 but I think that's on purpose Jun 26 00:54:27 whatever it says, slide back into multitask view Jun 26 00:54:27 you can see both stacked windows separate Jun 26 00:54:30 whereas on maemo you only see the deepest stacked window Jun 26 00:54:46 MohammadAG: the thing here is that mail settings are part of the settings app, not mail Jun 26 00:54:53 try to open settings Jun 26 00:55:18 heh Jun 26 00:55:26 each window remembers how you slid it and goes from there Jun 26 00:55:34 if you slide up, it slides down when you return to the window Jun 26 00:55:48 and if you kill a process it goes "down" =) Jun 26 00:56:04 (instead of "poof" like on maemo) Jun 26 00:57:07 * merlin1991 installs x86 target again Jun 26 00:57:44 aha, so I see the trick Jun 26 00:58:05 compositor adds four "swipe" X11 windows to each corner Jun 26 00:58:12 s/corner/border Jun 26 01:03:18 hm it seems to get "somewhere" now, but I fear my overall specs of this machine slow it down too much (1,7ghz pentum m and some crappy ati) Jun 26 01:03:40 javispedro, yup, noticed that here Jun 26 01:03:54 sometimes they don't draw well so I see white squares Jun 26 01:04:37 has there been any word about when there'll be an SDK available for Harmattan? Jun 26 01:05:14 W. T. H. Jun 26 01:06:08 * merlin1991 slightly remembers something about meego == rpm Jun 26 01:06:21 but I have a nice /etc/apt/sources.list Jun 26 01:06:24 and harmattan == deb Jun 26 01:06:26 here's one magic check: mdecorator lookups for the application .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/{X11 application class hint}.desktop Jun 26 01:06:31 rm_you, two days ago Jun 26 01:07:51 javispedro: are you eventually going to write a blog post about the manuall installation? Jun 26 01:08:21 his pastebin is actually useful enough :P Jun 26 01:08:25 http://goput.it/str/2p4.png Jun 26 01:08:37 MohammadAG : check 'em Jun 26 01:08:55 merlin1991: not sure unless I have more content Jun 26 01:08:57 MohammadAG: so, there was WORD 2 days ago, or it was released two days ago? :P Jun 26 01:08:59 the media player... has been pimped out Jun 26 01:09:04 rm_you, latter Jun 26 01:09:10 cool. Jun 26 01:09:34 Hurrian, while that looks cool, I have no idea how to fade the image like that :p Jun 26 01:09:49 MAG : apply the image as a gradient i guess Jun 26 01:09:59 can you change opacity of images in QT? Jun 26 01:10:22 the harmattan cellular API looks impressive Jun 26 01:10:27 not that I know, at least not without subclassing Jun 26 01:10:31 there's stuff to manipulate SIM phonebook for example Jun 26 01:10:41 anyone used the bleeding-edge wl1251 wifi driver? Jun 26 01:10:52 Atarii: I did / do Jun 26 01:11:08 got it to inject ok? Jun 26 01:11:14 yep Jun 26 01:11:33 does it matter what firmware I use? I'm just using the latest everything Jun 26 01:12:00 firmware is no problem, but kernel could Jun 26 01:12:09 what version of the power kernel do you have? Jun 26 01:12:22 kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb Jun 26 01:13:01 btw, since osso was dropped, also the entire launched via dbus thing was also dropped Jun 26 01:13:19 wtf Jun 26 01:13:23 how are apps launched? Jun 26 01:13:40 plain exec Jun 26 01:13:50 merlin1991 that look right? ^^ Jun 26 01:14:01 Atarii: and you didn't upgrade that one over the application manager? Jun 26 01:14:03 boosted apps get some kind of single instance support Jun 26 01:14:56 Atarii: run apt-cache policy kernel-power Jun 26 01:15:18 I flashed VANILLA then COMBINED then followed this guide basically: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=914062&postcount=1 Jun 26 01:15:41 ah, after installing the kernel? Jun 26 01:15:53 just run it now to check the real version installed Jun 26 01:16:04 so this aegis thing talks to bb5 chip.. Jun 26 01:16:15 IMEI? Jun 26 01:16:19 well I've just started again so I've got a fresh device again now Jun 26 01:17:11 in that case it "should" work Jun 26 01:18:50 ok i'll follow that guide again Jun 26 01:19:06 anyone here know if mikhail_ramalho from tmo visits this channel? Jun 26 01:23:29 http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Gestures.html Jun 26 01:23:36 I guess where it says "Click" it should say "Flick" Jun 26 01:27:35 haha, someone already made the new icon for drnoksnes for me: http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/images/core_ui_framework/pages/installation_1.png Jun 26 01:27:46 whoever you are, thank you! Jun 26 01:32:43 javispedro: plain exec \o/ anothe cruft POS gone Jun 26 01:34:56 and... Jun 26 01:35:04 ~lart aegis Jun 26 01:35:04 * infobot shoves a crumpet down aegis's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? Jun 26 01:36:15 * javispedro fails to find .desktop file documentation in meegotouch docs Jun 26 01:36:28 good sign Jun 26 01:36:32 bad sign Jun 26 01:36:39 cause there's lots of new stuff Jun 26 01:36:50 harmattan implements iphone-style uninstalling of applications Jun 26 01:36:51 might mean they finally stick with freedesktop standards Jun 26 01:37:06 via deleting launcher icon => uninstalls associated application Jun 26 01:37:16 so I'm sure this means there's at least a new "packagename" field or similar. Jun 26 01:37:18 WUT Jun 26 01:37:56 *BURRP* Jun 26 01:38:34 I'm really not quite sure whether I like that M6 Jun 26 01:39:22 Dco Jun 26 01:39:31 *Doc: multitasking's still great Jun 26 01:39:40 but why did they remove customizable homescreens? Jun 26 01:39:50 seems like nokia just brain farted... again Jun 26 01:39:55 well, almost all the voodoo in M5 is well understood now, they basically HAD to come up with new cruft to keep us busy and excited Jun 26 01:40:30 ...they really do love doing things ass-backwards, don't they? Jun 26 01:40:52 merlin1991 still no go :( Jun 26 01:41:00 * javispedro can't believe you're complaining about customizable homescreens Jun 26 01:41:22 aireplay-ng -9 waln0 causes "Device or resource busy....Sysfs injection was not found either" Jun 26 01:41:43 >>>deleting launcher icon => uninstalls associated application Jun 26 01:41:47 the ffffff? Jun 26 01:41:55 javispedro: I can't believe anybody< van live with a predefined immutable homescreen Jun 26 01:41:55 oh well, consumer device etc Jun 26 01:42:01 javispedro, if it's smart, it does a dpkg -S to find which package the icon is part of Jun 26 01:42:16 but ffs, why doesn't ANY smartphone OS include icon hiding out of the box? Jun 26 01:43:08 three cheers on MohammadAG Jun 26 01:43:30 brillinat answer :-) Jun 26 01:45:09 I just wonder who decided differentiation is swearword now for meego, and everything has to look and feel like iPhone Jun 26 01:45:30 ""it's NOT a computer, it's an iPhone-me-too" Jun 26 01:45:38 but I do not see why doing iphone-style uninstalling is bad Jun 26 01:45:54 * DocScrutinizer shakes head about epigones Jun 26 01:46:55 @DocScrutinizer : differentiation INDEED. Jun 26 01:47:12 * MohammadAG puts on troll hat, there's also an android style pull down menu, but iOS ripped that off too Jun 26 01:47:14 o hai, we're not an android copycat, that's just an iOS copycat Jun 26 01:47:22 MohammadAG: it's not pull down I think Jun 26 01:47:25 I don't see why they never had proper submenu support ootb in m5, then decided to nuke the single submenu they got in PR1.2, and now we get an OS where homescreen==applauncher Jun 26 01:47:28 pfff Jun 26 01:47:31 PFFFFF Jun 26 01:47:57 the difference, is that meegotouchome is home ;) Jun 26 01:48:01 s/home/open/ Jun 26 01:48:02 javispedro meant: the difference, is that meegotoucopen is home ;) Jun 26 01:48:12 infobot: bad bot Jun 26 01:48:13 Bad bot, bad! No cookie for you! Jun 26 01:48:18 hildon-home was open :p Jun 26 01:48:33 between harmattan and the iphone :p Jun 26 01:49:27 I have to wonder though if application installer is open or closed Jun 26 01:49:33 seemingly it is the one doing the .desktop tricks Jun 26 01:50:04 QString desktopEntryPath = LauncherDataStore::keyToEntryPath(dataStore->key(packageName)); Jun 26 01:51:15 javispedro, mind checking something while you're at it Jun 26 01:51:18 merlin1991 nvm got it :D Jun 26 01:51:18 * DocScrutinizer turns away terrified Jun 26 01:51:23 can more homescreens be added? Jun 26 01:51:54 well, by patching it yes Jun 26 01:52:07 ie there's a place where it just creates the 3 views Jun 26 01:52:25 well, what's "it" and is "it" open? Jun 26 01:52:47 meegohometouch Jun 26 01:52:50 er.. Jun 26 01:52:51 meegotouchhome Jun 26 01:53:00 oh, that's the one? Jun 26 01:53:04 yep Jun 26 01:53:10 * MohammadAG adds more stuff to his todo if he gets a device Jun 26 01:53:14 desktopview.cpp, around like 144 Jun 26 01:53:42 well, around lines 100-200 Jun 26 01:54:05 excellent, ty Jun 26 01:54:26 windowLayout->addItem(switcher); ... windowLayout->addItem(quickLaunchBar (??) ); ... windowLayout->addItem(launcher); Jun 26 01:54:49 I'm missing the notifications stuff Jun 26 01:54:59 if it's on another module then it means it must be extensible Jun 26 01:56:07 notifications are MTF afaik Jun 26 01:56:39 I mean the code that shows them inside meegotouchhome Jun 26 02:02:13 harmattan surely takes a shitload more time to build than fremantle Jun 26 02:02:28 that many c++.. Jun 26 02:04:21 but it's a bit more understandable :p Jun 26 02:09:14 javispedro, have you summarized the relevance deltas between MeeGo and Harmattan? Jun 26 02:09:18 And merged the APIs? Jun 26 02:09:58 what? I'm still just understanding the deltas between maemo and harmattan! =) Jun 26 02:10:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N950_Hardware FWIW Jun 26 02:11:50 nice DocScrutinizer Jun 26 02:12:10 shouldn't the NFC part say N9 only? Jun 26 02:12:19 also the FCC shows a 12MP camera on the N950 Jun 26 02:13:57 also, what's the final name for Harmattan? MeeGo or Maemo? Jun 26 02:14:16 indeed Jun 26 02:14:18 that-who-must-not-benamed Jun 26 02:14:39 nfc how it made it into strings from N950 fiasco Jun 26 02:15:30 anyway, off to bed Jun 26 02:18:48 the FCC shows a black block with a lens, maybe a writing that says Zeiss which is not correct. There may be other writings on prototypes that are not correct Jun 26 02:19:05 hm, could the n900 speak to a webcam if that'd be attached to it's microusb? Jun 26 02:19:22 why not Jun 26 02:19:23 arrrg MicroSIM Jun 26 02:19:36 NO microSIM Jun 26 02:19:52 gsmarena specs for N9 is wrong? Jun 26 02:19:57 seems that's a yes then :) Jun 26 02:20:32 uhm, n950 with 12mp? sweet :) Jun 26 02:21:20 Important: Do not use a mini-UICC SIM card, also Jun 26 02:21:21 known as a micro-SIM card, a micro-SIM card with an Jun 26 02:21:23 adapter, or a SIM card that has a mini-UICC cutout (see Jun 26 02:21:24 figure) in this device. A micro SIM card is smaller than the Jun 26 02:21:26 standard SIM card. This device does not support the use Jun 26 02:21:27 of micro-SIM cards and use of incompatible SIM cards may Jun 26 02:21:29 damage the card or the device, and may corrupt data Jun 26 02:21:30 stored on the card. Jun 26 02:21:33 that's N950 Jun 26 02:21:52 ah, N9 vs N950 difference Jun 26 02:21:56 *nobody* can say what N9 _really_ will look like when rollout Jun 26 02:22:42 btw, the n900 support micro-sims... got accidently one and well, piece of paper, soome steady hand and voila :) Jun 26 02:22:44 afaik it's uSIM Jun 26 02:22:47 what's a NFC module? Jun 26 02:23:05 microSIMs seem identical to full size ones to me Jun 26 02:24:49 So N9 will have regular SIM card size and N950 will have micro-SIM size? Jun 26 02:24:57 NFC == near Field communications? Jun 26 02:25:12 DrGrov, no, you mixed up Jun 26 02:25:50 Ok, I am mixed up as always LOL Jun 26 02:25:56 So it is microSIM for N9 as well then? Jun 26 02:26:04 Damn, need to cut and get handy which I am not Jun 26 02:26:20 N9 uSIM, N950 normal SIM Jun 26 02:26:38 What is the difference with a normal SIM and uSIM? I am quite sure I have a uSIM.... Jun 26 02:26:41 N950 looks like a bug fix for the N900 Jun 26 02:26:42 Of course I can not be completely sure Jun 26 02:27:44 by u I meant the greek letter mu, meaning micro Jun 26 02:27:55 not USIM, the one introduced with 3G Jun 26 02:28:09 Ok, so it is not the one introduced with 3G Jun 26 02:28:12 I need a new SIM then Jun 26 02:28:18 microSIMs are the ones iPhone 4 uses Jun 26 02:28:32 you can knife your existing SIM, just saying Jun 26 02:28:49 Yes, could do that as well but I am not so handy. Jun 26 02:28:58 I'll just end up carving up the thing as a turkey Jun 26 02:29:48 Any news on release dates yet of the N9? Jun 26 02:30:02 I read something about Summer 2011... That is perhaps accurate or still going later? Jun 26 02:30:16 August / September Jun 26 02:30:22 Ok, that is a good release date. Jun 26 02:30:39 It will be interesting to see if it actually will be the same as the promo videos and showings Jun 26 02:30:50 no way Jun 26 02:30:51 Any things that could still change? Jun 26 02:31:18 DocScrutinizer: What would change then? Jun 26 02:31:40 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/stainless-steel-micro-sim-card-cutter-with-micro-sim-card-adapters-for-apple-ipad-iphone-4-41275 Jun 26 02:31:48 that will turn a normal sim into a uSim Jun 26 02:31:51 no way it will roll out in August Jun 26 02:32:17 DocScrutinizer: You think more likely October or November perhaps? Jun 26 02:32:21 N900 was announced for June iirc, it got almost decenber Jun 26 02:32:49 seems there's not even FCC application for N9 yet Jun 26 02:33:05 a better question is - will it even make it to market Jun 26 02:33:16 no DocScrutinizer Jun 26 02:33:20 indeed Jun 26 02:33:25 The N900 was leaked in June Jun 26 02:33:38 it was announced in October I think Jun 26 02:33:47 nonsense!!! Jun 26 02:34:03 So it looks like the N9 will be released later... October perhaps? Even December is not too far away? Jun 26 02:34:12 it wasn't announced June-August, I'm sure of that Jun 26 02:34:20 I got mine in late november and Nokia had my money on preorder for almost 3 months Jun 26 02:34:34 the N950 looks more attractive then the N9 Jun 26 02:34:56 I like the looks of the N9 more, the kb of the N950 Jun 26 02:34:56 The problem is that regular customers won't get the N950 which is a shame Jun 26 02:35:11 do you need to be an approved developer to get the N950? Jun 26 02:35:38 just a community dev Jun 26 02:35:40 ds3: That is how I understand it. No N950 for regular customers Jun 26 02:36:00 okay, where does one sign up to be a dev? Jun 26 02:36:17 are you a dev? Jun 26 02:36:25 ok, bullshit. Jun 26 02:36:36 yes, I do development on ARM and related mobile devices Jun 26 02:36:45 javispedro: What is bullshit? LOL Jun 26 02:36:48 done devel on Maemo? Jun 26 02:36:54 crap, crap,crap. Jun 26 02:37:06 MohammadAG: meegotouchhome is nonfree Jun 26 02:37:07 a tiny little bit Jun 26 02:37:22 <-- low level guy, mostly distro agnostic Jun 26 02:37:24 javispedro, then what am I looking at? Jun 26 02:37:38 or was looking at Jun 26 02:37:39 MohammadAG: a decoy Jun 26 02:37:39 Is there a chance to get a N950 later though? Jun 26 02:37:45 Might want a N950 instead of a N9 Jun 26 02:37:46 a what o_O Jun 26 02:37:49 Due to the keyboard Jun 26 02:38:15 MohammadAG: meegotouchhome is a stub binary (~50KiB) with a large libmeegotouchhome.so library that does the heavy work Jun 26 02:38:16 MohammadAG: is there a particular program or list of requirements to qualify as a "developer"? Jun 26 02:38:30 MohammadAG: while on the harmattan rootstrap, /usr/bin/meegotouchhome is around 1 MiB large Jun 26 02:38:33 ds3, just having done devel for maemo/meego afaik Jun 26 02:38:42 MohammadAG: and has keywords such as "SwipeDesktop", etc. Jun 26 02:38:50 MohammadAG: how does one establish that? Jun 26 02:38:59 javispedro, anything swipe related is closed afaik Jun 26 02:39:19 so Harmattan is more closed (UI wise) than Fremantlw Jun 26 02:39:51 what i'm saying is that despite the fact that it is the normal meego's meegotouchview, the binary is haxxored to use classes that are on the binary itself instead of on the .s Jun 26 02:39:54 *.so Jun 26 02:40:42 _and_ no source for this "enlarged" binary. Jun 26 02:41:11 Maemo 5 injects speed and power into mobile computing Jun 26 02:41:13 August 27, 2009 Jun 26 02:41:14 The new Nokia N900: Computer-grade performance in a handset Espoo, Finland – Nokia today marked the next phase in the evolution of Maemo software with the new Nokia N900. Jun 26 02:41:46 so, because of this swipe thing, we have closed source launcher. Jun 26 02:41:57 how cool.. Jun 26 02:42:01 * javispedro sighs Jun 26 02:42:24 * javispedro retires everything that he said a few hours ago about the platform Jun 26 02:42:33 stupid decision. Jun 26 02:43:06 let's start rewriting! Jun 26 02:44:36 why? Jun 26 02:44:37 * javispedro tries to unhaxxor the binary Jun 26 02:44:48 this UI is a nuissance anyway Jun 26 02:46:22 I bet you can't even operate it via kbd when you have aore retrofit one, hell I'm sure it won't even work properly with a mouse Jun 26 02:46:47 and I've heard nothing about real AV either Jun 26 02:47:00 this stuff has never really worked with amouse Jun 26 02:47:04 MHS? forget it Jun 26 02:47:09 MHD even Jun 26 02:48:21 honestly, I can't see a single reason why anybody would want to get a N9. All that might be interested in the concept already have a iPhone or droid hw Jun 26 02:48:49 you can always forward port hildon Jun 26 02:48:58 muhahaha Jun 26 02:49:01 personally, I like the 1GB RAM part Jun 26 02:49:05 Or just boot meego on it Jun 26 02:49:17 blargh Jun 26 02:49:19 or install nitdroid /hides Jun 26 02:49:39 or cyanogen MUHAHAHA Jun 26 02:50:05 or Windows 8 Jun 26 02:50:18 no way, wrong root cert Jun 26 02:52:04 tadaa, ran the ugly meegohome Jun 26 02:52:28 you just need to remove SwipeDesktopView crap from /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/meegotouchhome/meegotouchhome.conf and it opens the ugly one Jun 26 02:52:50 it looks uglier than usual, I guess this is because theme is broken. Jun 26 02:53:08 Rasterman hooked me on maemo with the N800 (or 770?) he had in TPE. I looked at that thing, at the desktop, at the mediaplayer, I checked out the N810 and seen the hw kbd, and I was sold. If thatthing had been a N9, not even back in 2008 I had uttered anything more than "meh" :shrug: Jun 26 02:53:10 but you can add whatever you want to this one. If you implement it, of course. Jun 26 02:54:43 I can do that on android and iOS as well Jun 26 02:54:56 technically not on ios. Jun 26 02:55:23 technically not on meego harmattan with aegis, been your text! Jun 26 02:56:18 I'm yet waiting to see what it will be used for. Jun 26 02:56:27 pfff Jun 26 02:56:34 yeah, said oppenheimer Jun 26 02:57:37 obviously it will be used to drive russian nuke sites Jun 26 02:59:49 now I have to undo all this crap if I want to see swipe again =) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 26 02:59:57 2011