**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 21 02:59:56 2011 Jul 21 04:13:36 hi, is there a way for Maemo to enable user run GTK+3 application from remote server? I saw a news, people run gedit inside firefox! Jul 21 04:14:43 hi, I tried to install nitdroid on my N900 and did something wrong, now the device is on a boot loop (sometimes it shows the multiboot screen with two empty options) Jul 21 04:14:51 I'm trying to flash it to the factory settings Jul 21 04:15:00 following http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 21 04:15:15 here's what's happening: http://pastie.org/private/lccvd8atiymbmgm6ygowg Jul 21 04:15:19 WHY Is the N900 slower than N950! It looks like Jul 21 04:15:41 why wouldn't it be.. Jul 21 04:16:42 Seta00, tried removing battery, start flasher, plug in, insert battery? Jul 21 04:16:51 yes Jul 21 04:17:15 I guess if battery is low it'd not flash :/ Jul 21 04:18:22 crap Jul 21 04:18:51 my friend has a universal charger, gonna try to use that so I don't need to buy a new one Jul 21 04:19:30 ShadowJK, thanks! Jul 21 07:26:45 whaaaaaa~~~ Jul 21 07:26:51 so many people here.... Jul 21 07:50:13 ...Dissections have revealed that during this process the victim's organs will begin to convert into stuffing of various materials, including but not limited to cotton and polyester. Through the use of EEG it has been noted that the target is still conscious throughout this process... Jul 21 07:57:53 hello all Jul 21 08:03:13 moo wazd Jul 21 08:20:44 RST38h: heya :) Jul 21 08:20:51 ~seen javispedro Jul 21 08:20:53 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 8h 57m 58s ago, saying: 'I think this is clearly one application that should be locked'. Jul 21 08:21:11 ooh, there's harmattan channel :D Jul 21 08:21:28 RST38h: how's it going? Got your device? :) Jul 21 08:37:40 I recently got 3G Internet from my provider again, but there seems to be some problem with the phone, it won't connect. I've been fooling around some, putting the "Kernel Power" kernel in etc. Any ideas on how to fix it? I tried reverting to normal kernel but I can't get a connection with my Win7 32bit. Jul 21 08:38:33 clarification: The problem started after I got the power kernel, with the regular there were no problems. Jul 21 08:39:21 so swap back Jul 21 08:39:41 yeah, as I said. I can't connect to the phone from my Win7 32bit Jul 21 08:39:52 why do you need to? Jul 21 08:40:04 you can do all the operations on the device Jul 21 08:40:21 to use the maemo-flasher Jul 21 08:40:36 really? Jul 21 08:41:17 how? Jul 21 08:41:47 terminal and apt-get Jul 21 08:43:09 ok, but what should I get? Jul 21 08:44:38 I think the original kernel package is just kernel ? Jul 21 08:44:40 so install that Jul 21 08:44:47 then kernel-flasher Jul 21 08:44:50 and it should reflash it Jul 21 08:45:00 all of this should be either on wiki or talk maemo.org Jul 21 08:46:08 dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 30874 package `angrybirds': Jul 21 08:47:09 and it couldn't be removed from apt. I'll just try on the phone Jul 21 08:50:07 can't uninstall it from the gui package manager either Jul 21 08:52:08 not uninstall Jul 21 08:52:09 INSTALL Jul 21 08:52:13 it should confilct Jul 21 08:57:39 very strange, there was a $ sign before a row of signs making problems for the parsing. Removed it in line 25733 in /var/lib/dpkg/available + same thing in /var/lib/dpkg/status but other place. Now it seems to work Jul 21 08:59:42 so, how do I run that kernel-flasher now? Jul 21 09:02:22 you first install kernel package Jul 21 09:02:25 then install kernel-flasher Jul 21 09:02:26 that will flash it Jul 21 09:03:01 ok, I had to do --reinstall Jul 21 09:10:38 now it's not booting at all Jul 21 09:11:10 it shows the blue/white light and NOKIA logo, then goes black Jul 21 09:13:47 cool story bro Jul 21 09:13:47 is it bootlooping? Jul 21 09:13:47 you're probably going to have to reflash Jul 21 09:13:53 if I keep the usb-cable connected, it reboots, with the vibrator sounding and showing the NOKIA logo without backgroundlight for the screen, barely able to see it Jul 21 09:14:00 kerio: yeah. That's what I think Jul 21 09:14:05 >vibrator Jul 21 09:14:11 lol Jul 21 09:14:13 :P Jul 21 09:14:20 anyway, remove battery now Jul 21 09:14:30 before it's too drained to reflash Jul 21 09:14:39 (unless you have an external charger too) Jul 21 09:14:57 no, I can just charge it in the phone Jul 21 09:15:03 and it's not fully charged... Jul 21 09:15:06 nope Jul 21 09:15:10 you can't Jul 21 09:15:17 except with the emergency charge Jul 21 09:15:24 so remove the battery *now* Jul 21 09:15:33 it's already removed Jul 21 09:15:40 then ok Jul 21 09:15:50 you don't really need that much charge to reflash Jul 21 09:16:12 ok, I don't know if you read my previous posts, but I've had trouble connecting to my Win7 32bit Jul 21 09:16:54 install ubuntu with wubi :) Jul 21 09:17:06 what's wubi? Jul 21 09:17:20 Windows UBuntu Installer Jul 21 09:17:33 automatic installer that installs ubuntu in a disk image Jul 21 09:18:00 so you don't have to partition but you still have access to a real install Jul 21 09:18:00 I've got a laptop running PC-BSD that I could use Jul 21 09:18:11 see if it works there, then Jul 21 09:18:19 laptops are actually preferrable imo Jul 21 09:18:23 you recommend ubuntu? Jul 21 09:18:28 or desktops with a UPS Jul 21 09:18:48 I've got DSL on a disc that I can run live, I don't know if that's good enough Jul 21 09:19:08 my laptop isn't charging so battery is 0% anyway.. lol.. Jul 21 09:19:15 lol Jul 21 09:27:08 trying with wubi anyway.. Jul 21 09:28:00 how can i make a script with commands and just clicking on it the phone do all the commands that they are in the script? Jul 21 09:28:23 what tipe of file shoud be? Jul 21 09:29:32 Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA 02:19 Jul 21 09:30:13 wazd: Currently wondering if it comes in time =) Jul 21 09:31:58 how can i make a script with commands and just clicking on it the phone do all the commands that they are in the script? Jul 21 09:32:27 any ideas? Jul 21 09:32:36 RST38h: http://i048.radikal.ru/1107/ea/705054bd53c7.png H* icon for DrNokSnes :) Jul 21 09:32:55 RST38h: I guess you'll need something like this? :) Jul 21 09:33:08 wazd: Ah, coolio =) Jul 21 09:33:35 wazd: At some point, yes. I do think replacing console icons with their joypad icons is a nice idea =) Jul 21 09:34:08 wazd: Can you do the same for SMS, GB, NES, and GBA? =) Jul 21 09:34:15 RST38h: sure :) Jul 21 09:34:24 (ah, and the Yamaha MSX arrow keys ;))) Jul 21 09:34:58 RST38h: I'm not sure bout SMS though, it has pretty much the same pad as Genesis Jul 21 09:35:05 RST38h: or maybe I'm wrong Jul 21 09:35:22 wazd: Nope, it has got its own, but .RU versions came with the Genesis one Jul 21 09:35:23 RST38h: anyway we can use 6 buttons for genesis :P Jul 21 09:35:57 wazd: http://www.arcadiaclub.com/img/emu/console/joypad_sms.JPG Jul 21 09:36:07 hi all Jul 21 09:36:07 RST38h: yeah, now I see Jul 21 09:36:12 cityLights: hi Jul 21 09:36:14 wazd: http://segaretro.org/images/thumb/b/b8/Sms_joypad.jpg/200px-Sms_joypad.jpg Jul 21 09:36:38 how can i make a script with commands and just clicking on it the phone do all the commands that they are in the script? Jul 21 09:36:38 RST38h: any headlines with N900? Jul 21 09:36:55 OMG, please, let me unsee this: http://www.the-obd.com/dragon-usb-pc-12-keys-analog-joypad-gamepad-controller/ Jul 21 09:37:02 I managed to finnaly see xen working with kernel 3 Jul 21 09:37:17 RST38h: awesome :D Jul 21 09:37:23 cityLights: Not really. Waiting for N950 to arrive, will work on the QML based versions then Jul 21 09:37:24 o ya, why didnt maemo use btrfs ? Jul 21 09:37:32 wasnt it suppose to use it? Jul 21 09:37:38 RST38h, won't the tail prick at you when you play? ;) Jul 21 09:37:49 May also switch N900 versions to transparent virtual keyboard Jul 21 09:38:03 cityLights: I wouldn't dare to use btrfs in a product yet. Jul 21 09:38:11 joga: Something makes me suspect this one is a girls only version Jul 21 09:38:23 btrfs looks promissing Jul 21 09:38:33 RST38h, I'm sure the vibration feels nice with that .. thing Jul 21 09:38:55 joga: But guys canhelp themselves too: http://www.the-obd.com/pc-ninja-usb-12-keys-analog-joypad-game-pad-controller/ Jul 21 09:39:07 how can i make a script with commands and just clicking on it the phone do all the commands that they are in the script? Jul 21 09:39:30 RST38h, at least the less endowed ones Jul 21 09:39:37 cityLights: Yes, but it is still "under heavy development" and there are no guarantees that even the disk format will stay compatible in future revisions. Jul 21 09:40:51 some help here pls? Jul 21 09:42:38 godtrunks, you mean you want a desktop shortcut for your script? Jul 21 09:43:01 no Jul 21 09:43:09 i whant to create a file Jul 21 09:43:39 just open it with the terminal and take the commands they are inside Jul 21 09:43:54 you just want to create a script then? Jul 21 09:44:02 yes Jul 21 09:45:13 i whant to know what type of file shoud be Jul 21 09:45:24 create a file where the first line is #!/bin/sh (I use bash myself) and then write the script in it, then save and do chmod +x script.sh, then you can run it with ./script.sh in the same directory or link it somewhere Jul 21 09:45:28 just a plain text file Jul 21 09:46:13 oke Jul 21 09:46:14 the first line ("shebang" line) tells what program to use to interpret it Jul 21 09:46:32 oke Jul 21 09:46:32 in case of a shell script, usually /bin/sh or /bin/bash Jul 21 09:46:32 thx Jul 21 09:54:23 * lardman tunes in for the space shuttle landing Jul 21 10:06:00 where to place firefox icon when I want it be shown on desktop ? Jul 21 10:06:49 is it shown in the app list? Jul 21 10:07:06 then just edit desktop -> add shortcut -> select it from there Jul 21 10:07:48 ruskie: no, I mean I installed firefox, and no icon by default. I ask where to put an customized icon. Jul 21 10:08:04 /usr/share/applications/hildon/ I think Jul 21 10:08:14 that shuld put it in the applist Jul 21 10:08:21 then you just need to add it to the desktop Jul 21 10:08:35 ruskie: thx Jul 21 10:08:44 check to see what's in the dir Jul 21 10:08:52 you should basically see all the ohter shortcuts in there Jul 21 10:09:05 it is under /usr/share/applications/ though Jul 21 10:10:37 ruskie: all of them are *.desktop , is it ? Jul 21 10:10:43 yup Jul 21 10:10:54 those are shortcuts Jul 21 10:10:59 similar to .lnk on windows ;( Jul 21 10:11:01 erm ;) Jul 21 10:11:18 I want to put one firefox.png Jul 21 10:11:31 Oh, I forget, I should have a search with find command Jul 21 10:12:02 I thought you wanted a shortcut Jul 21 10:12:55 ruskie: no, I said, the default firefox has no icon. so I downloaded one to put it somewhere to let it shown Jul 21 10:13:26 ahh Jul 21 10:14:56 also I do notice that not all icons are shown after an install until after a reboot Jul 21 10:15:27 ruskie: really, ok, reboot at first Jul 21 10:37:30 is there anyone here??? Jul 21 10:37:46 who knows the dbus call to return track name/artist? Jul 21 10:44:12 #why is this place so dead all of a sudden? Jul 21 10:44:42 #define MAEMO_UNSUPPORTED Jul 21 10:44:54 #define OLD_HARDWARE Jul 21 10:45:00 #define ANDROID_SHINY Jul 21 10:45:03 nooooooooooooo Jul 21 10:45:45 Hurrian: do you know what dbus call to use to get mafw track metadata? Jul 21 10:45:53 uhh, nope Jul 21 10:45:58 Meh. Android might be shiny, but there's a lack of actually compelling phones Jul 21 10:46:08 anyways, it's quieted down here A LOT, and that's for the better Jul 21 10:46:22 Hurrian: Well, maemo *is* dead, right? :-) Jul 21 10:46:29 personally, i won't use a phone until it has maemo-grade multitasking Jul 21 10:48:16 * ccooke won't use a phone without a keyboard and won't be able to get an N950. So... I'm stuck with android phones for now :-/ Jul 21 10:48:32 I keep hoping some other maemo phones will come out, but I'm not seeing anything interesting Jul 21 10:48:58 Heh. Wonder if anyone's got the n950 build to run on any Android hardware :-) Jul 21 10:49:52 No Jul 21 10:49:53 actually, if worse comes to worse, i may actually have to get a phone without hwkb Jul 21 10:50:21 Heck, last I heard, Harmatten's somewhat locked down, and they were having trouble getting a compiled kernel to run Jul 21 10:50:31 fine, as long as we have good tactile feedback (see the new Nokia symbian bricks) and Maemo multitasking Jul 21 10:50:48 robbiethe1st, harmattan swaps on mtd5 Jul 21 10:50:54 Yea, I know Jul 21 10:51:01 oh, and it refuses to start UX on meego kernel Jul 21 10:51:12 sounds about right Jul 21 10:51:12 ah, the wonder of closed source Jul 21 10:51:37 well, I'd be interested in a pure meego phone next; throw Cordia on it and that'd be decent Jul 21 10:51:52 Best choice would be like Kubuntu Mobile + Hildon, but... Jul 21 10:52:07 well, there aren't any reasonably-sized meego phones yet Jul 21 10:52:13 uhh, Aava I guess Jul 21 10:52:14 robbiethe1st: cordia is dead bro Jul 21 10:52:16 but it's intel Jul 21 10:52:22 battery life = LOL Jul 21 10:52:37 LOL = Lots Of Life? Jul 21 10:52:40 Well, I expect to keep a N900 for at least a year, maby two Jul 21 10:52:48 By then there'd better be something better Jul 21 10:52:57 as a nokia phone, i expect it to last at least 3 years Jul 21 10:53:01 and N950 really isn't a step up Jul 21 10:53:10 the n950 is a step nowhere Jul 21 10:53:20 Well, yea... But I'm hard on my toys. :P Jul 21 10:53:33 I think I've used it hard every day since I got it.. Jul 21 10:53:37 n950 is a rung below N9 up the ladder to nowhere Jul 21 10:53:39 still omap3, thumb does shit for execution, same GPU, all we got as more RAM Jul 21 10:54:19 as vi said on TMO, Nokia dropped the N9/50 before launch Jul 21 10:54:25 does mohammedag still hang here Jul 21 10:54:27 ? Jul 21 10:54:35 yes, he's not always on IRC though Jul 21 10:54:47 when is best time to catch him? Jul 21 10:55:03 ~8-12 hours ago Jul 21 10:55:08 whenever that is Jul 21 10:56:01 I dont understand the N9 excitement. Everyone just got over being ditched on the n900. Jul 21 10:56:19 Now they are clamouring to get onboard somthing even more abandoned Jul 21 10:56:23 vi++ Jul 21 10:56:34 * RST38h wonders why vi is here Jul 21 10:56:35 WTF Jul 21 10:56:35 Only people interested are the ones who got the free device Jul 21 10:56:43 Hurrian: tremulous? Jul 21 10:56:45 oh look, N9, no software updates, almost everything is closed source, and no SD Jul 21 10:56:54 Why not get an Android device and stop complaining? Jul 21 10:57:24 RST38h , i do have a N1, AOSP is totally different from Maemo Jul 21 10:57:30 RST38h: becasue I want the n900 Jul 21 10:57:53 RST38h: I am here because I am trying to figure out how to get track meta data through dbus Jul 21 10:57:53 i /want/ the maemo 5 style multitasking Jul 21 10:58:09 Hurrian: why did you just call me vi++? Jul 21 10:58:27 vi: Ok. Have you got the N900 already? Jul 21 10:58:39 i agreed with your point Jul 21 10:58:40 RST38h: yes... Jul 21 10:58:44 and btw, found this Jul 21 10:58:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72396 Jul 21 10:58:47 Hurrian: ok! Jul 21 10:59:12 vi: Ok. You wanted an N900. You have got an N900. You do not want anything else, neither Android nor N9. What are you unhappy about? Jul 21 10:59:28 * vi__ vi__ uses the name vi++ on some online video games, wondered if he had infact fragged hurrian somwhere else. Jul 21 10:59:55 vi__, usually nick++ is a karma thing ;) Jul 21 11:00:23 RST38h: I guess I am disappointed by the cooling off of interest in the N900 and annoyed by the increasing interest in the forthcvoming turkey. Jul 21 11:00:50 vi__, but it's new and shinny Jul 21 11:01:11 vi__ , as somebody said, we sound like N8x0 owners around the time of Rover leaks Jul 21 11:01:39 Ok, I have this new pair of sunglasses that uses knives as legs. Jul 21 11:01:47 they are new therefore good. Jul 21 11:02:11 in the case of the n8x0, the replacement was touted as the next big thing. Jul 21 11:02:26 in the case of the N9, it is touted as not being supported. Jul 21 11:02:29 ever. Jul 21 11:02:34 even if it is a success. Jul 21 11:02:41 also: aegis :) Jul 21 11:02:45 vi__, I believe all the tablets were mostly not supported Jul 21 11:03:16 ruskie: yes, however at least nokia PRETENDED they WERE goign to support them. Jul 21 11:03:30 the 'reach around' if you will Jul 21 11:03:36 so for you it's enough if a company pretends to support something? Jul 21 11:03:38 hey, they provided multiple firmware upgrades for n900 Jul 21 11:04:16 ruskie: obviously not. HOwever it is a step above outright disownership from the start. Jul 21 11:04:26 I always assumed when buying a n900 that updates from nokia will be nonexistant Jul 21 11:04:37 ruskie: fair enough. Jul 21 11:04:37 or mostly cosmetic Jul 21 11:04:56 ruskie: I was expecting at least a year Jul 21 11:04:56 which for me is mainly the same thing Jul 21 11:05:09 the only thing I consider suppored by the manufacturer is the hardware Jul 21 11:05:49 anyway finally decided on a tablet for myself... lenovo thinkpad tablet Jul 21 11:05:58 And this is why I'm firmly in the OSS camp Jul 21 11:06:36 and I'm still crying inside that nobody at meego seems to be willing to actually make usable ux for the various device paradigms Jul 21 11:08:45 ruskie, someone oughtta put huge bugfixes into MeeGo Jul 21 11:08:49 RST38h: http://zhil.in/nes.svg :P Jul 21 11:08:55 uhh, MeeGo Reference UX Jul 21 11:09:03 it is the slowest POS i have ever used Jul 21 11:09:06 Hurrian, or hire some good UX designers and usability experts Jul 21 11:09:10 slower than KDE, even Jul 21 11:09:16 I've watched the meego tablet ux yesterday Jul 21 11:09:19 ugh... Jul 21 11:09:26 the handset ux is also ugh... Jul 21 11:09:27 lets see Jul 21 11:09:44 netbook UX on dual-core x86, 1.5GHz Jul 21 11:09:50 slow as **** Jul 21 11:10:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9yBigBW6c Jul 21 11:10:08 handset UX on 600MHz phone, slow as **** and buggy Jul 21 11:10:18 well speed is a different thing Jul 21 11:10:38 I'm mainly disturbed by the usability of it Jul 21 11:10:39 ruskie, wdym in terms of usability Jul 21 11:10:40 I've used the tablet ux on my atom tablet and it was smooth as silk Jul 21 11:10:55 if it was snappy, i'd have no problem with all the sliding Jul 21 11:11:20 not any better or worse than iOS Jul 21 11:11:42 what you do need is... a complete meegotouch theme i guess Jul 21 11:11:42 I really don't get the point in all the sliding... and why have a bunch of tiny tiny panels that have stuff in... when you have a HUGE screen for a mobile device Jul 21 11:11:59 ruskie, it gives a sense of place Jul 21 11:12:03 erm Jul 21 11:12:40 should this discussion be occuring in #meego? Jul 21 11:12:49 why? Jul 21 11:13:11 because you are talking about meego Jul 21 11:13:55 and if you actually want to try and do something about it and plan a next version which improves things it should be in the right place Jul 21 11:14:06 k Jul 21 11:14:18 ah right, now back into maemo talk Jul 21 11:14:30 or at the very least, nokia devices that run linux Jul 21 11:14:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKRtTOMbOsY <-- this actually looks interesting for the ux Jul 21 11:44:12 Operating profits declined 44 percent since Q1, 391 million Euro compared to 704, and net sales of mobile devices are down 23 percent over the same period -- 20 percent compared to Q2 last year. Jul 21 11:45:02 [Elop] says those who have seen the company's early Windows Phone devices (really, who hasn't) are "very optimistic" about their potential and that they will launch this year with a "sequence of concentrated product launches. Jul 21 11:45:30 hahahahahaha Jul 21 11:45:40 lol Jul 21 11:45:52 According to Marketing Magazine, Elop & Co. have already devoted some ?80 million (about $127 million) to the six-month ad endeavor, which is expected to launch in October. Jul 21 11:46:11 I can see it now from punters... *buys winphuck7* *tries using it* *comes back* *smashes device into sales droid head* Jul 21 11:46:30 * RST38h doubts step #1 is gonna happen Jul 21 11:46:47 But hell, with $127m in advertising, who knows... Jul 21 11:47:01 with all that money they could have crippled winpho7 and droid and possibly apple as well Jul 21 11:48:09 BTW, if we assume $400/phone price tag, $127m = 317k phones Jul 21 11:50:06 explains the lack of N950s Jul 21 11:51:19 RST38h: that would double the sales of WP7 from all the manufacturers involved ;) Jul 21 11:51:33 hehe Jul 21 11:51:33 robbiethe1st: seen my comment about mtd_debug yesterday? Jul 21 11:51:38 Uh, no? Jul 21 11:52:12 also, wow. First time I look at #maemo in several hours, start to type a comment and you say something to me. Jul 21 11:55:34 does anyone know of a place that sells USB parts? Jul 21 11:55:41 something to use for soldering Jul 21 11:56:06 Ebay Jul 21 11:56:12 erm... any store that sells components? Jul 21 11:56:31 online Jul 21 11:56:36 besides ebay Jul 21 11:56:45 what's it called anyway? Jul 21 11:56:48 Honestly, I have to say: Ebay has it, and probably very cheaply. Alternately, digikey. Jul 21 11:56:49 USB head? Jul 21 11:56:58 Uh...? Jul 21 11:57:00 mauser isn't it as well? Jul 21 11:57:07 mouser, but yes Jul 21 11:58:10 robbiethe1st: mhd_debig seems a stock binary on N900, and it knows (is supposed to know) how to read and *write* raw mtd Jul 21 11:58:24 :-D Jul 21 11:58:45 robbiethe1st: thought you might be interested for backupmenu-1.2 Jul 21 11:59:31 Interesting. But um... isn't that just a matter of essentially DD? IIRC, the problem I had was that the badblocks list is stored as data inside the UbiFS... reading/writing the data wasn't a problem Jul 21 11:59:51 [2011-07-20 19:13:58] IroN900:~# mtd_debug read /dev/mtd1ro 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin Jul 21 11:59:52 [2011-07-20 19:13:58] Copied 393216 bytes from address 0x00000000 in flash to CAL-backup.bin Jul 21 12:00:23 Have you tried running DD on the same device and seeing if there's a difference? Jul 21 12:00:27 Just curious Jul 21 12:00:27 robbiethe1st: mtd_debug should know how to handle badblocks Jul 21 12:00:51 dd on an mtd, eww Jul 21 12:00:55 robbiethe1st: (dd) useless as I have no bad blocks on my NNAD yet Jul 21 12:01:16 Do you know how to get the list of bad blocks, if any? Jul 21 12:01:26 no Jul 21 12:01:28 cat /proc something Jul 21 12:01:37 or /sys, regardless, don't remember it, SpeedEvil might know it Jul 21 12:01:39 or ShadowJK Jul 21 12:01:41 even there no list Jul 21 12:01:51 also, I thought NAND didn't have any real badblocks list, or wear levelling; doesn't it just expose the raw flash to software? Jul 21 12:01:56 afaik it returns a number, I had 4 Jul 21 12:02:11 yes, a number Jul 21 12:02:24 robbiethe1st: that's what mtd_debug is all about Jul 21 12:02:24 Anyone happen to know if a DBus message is broadcast when an application is opened? Jul 21 12:02:38 yes Jul 21 12:02:42 Maemo 5? Jul 21 12:02:49 Maemo5 and 6 Jul 21 12:03:06 Maemo 6 doesn't use DBus to launch afaik Jul 21 12:03:12 got any pointers to the DBus strings MohammadAG Jul 21 12:03:17 Maemo 5 emits LaunchApplication Jul 21 12:03:18 hmm, that's a shame Jul 21 12:03:23 Interesting... Jul 21 12:03:32 there's NameOwnerChanged afaik Jul 21 12:04:07 lardman, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1037567&postcount=8 Jul 21 12:04:08 I need a way to monitor application start up and shutdown events, preferably not using a QTimer and checking pids Jul 21 12:04:31 thanks MohammadAG Jul 21 12:04:58 robbiethe1st: there's also mtd_debug erase Jul 21 12:05:20 robbiethe1st: ...which might be needed prior to mtd_debug write Jul 21 12:05:28 out of curiosity lardman, what are you doing with that? Jul 21 12:05:52 robbiethe1st: look in /sys/*ubi* Jul 21 12:05:57 MohammadAG: Proximus, need to be able provide a way to trigger conditions when apps startup/shiutdown Jul 21 12:06:09 Proximus? Jul 21 12:06:23 https://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus Jul 21 12:06:44 I really need to push some more code to Garage, but I get strange SVN errors Jul 21 12:06:49 I'll try again in a bit Jul 21 12:06:53 Gitorious ftw Jul 21 12:06:57 or github Jul 21 12:07:09 I've not used git though, not sure I can be bothered to learn something new Jul 21 12:07:28 it's piss easy Jul 21 12:08:41 well I already have a Garage svn setup Jul 21 12:10:20 DocScrutinizer, theoretically, is there a way to access an eMMC without its device Jul 21 12:10:40 please rephrase Jul 21 12:10:56 DocScrutinizer, desolder an eMMC and try to access it Jul 21 12:12:12 ~wiki JTAG Jul 21 12:12:17 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTAG (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=November 2009}} 'Joint Test Action Group' ('JTAG') is the common name for what was later standardized as the IEEE 1149.1 'Standard Test Access Port and Boundary-Scan Architecture'. It was initially devised for testing printed circuit boards using boundary scan and is still widely used for this application. Today JTAG is also widely used for IC debug ports. In the ... Jul 21 12:12:25 Question 2 Jul 21 12:12:41 any idea where I can find ribbons for Nokia phones? Jul 21 12:12:47 an N95 specifically Jul 21 12:13:00 JTAG isn't documented in N900 schematics, as are some of the testpoints under batery Jul 21 12:13:15 FPC? Jul 21 12:13:30 aka display ribbon connector cable? Jul 21 12:14:44 display to mainboard Jul 21 12:15:18 hmm, probably the usual hw supplies may or may not offer it Jul 21 12:15:56 http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php Jul 21 12:15:56 is it in any way possible to home-facture ribbon cables? Jul 21 12:16:03 no Jul 21 12:16:19 maybe botch Jul 21 12:16:47 like "cut a sheet of plastic, use double sided sticky tape..." Jul 21 12:16:51 botch? as in ruin?-) Jul 21 12:17:06 hmm.. Jul 21 12:17:20 do they stell thin conductive sheets? Jul 21 12:17:21 hmm, split open ribbon, solder, never use N95 slider again Jul 21 12:17:24 sure is an option Jul 21 12:17:53 what are you after? Jul 21 12:17:58 anyways, n95 ribbon was a common issue, parts should still be available Jul 21 12:18:08 iirc it was worse for the 8GB models Jul 21 12:18:13 MohammadAG: to the question #1, yes, there is a way Jul 21 12:18:18 if you could somehow use the same techniques as you do for home developing circuit boards Jul 21 12:18:21 but maybe not then :) Jul 21 12:18:30 perhaps you can just wire each conection separately.. Jul 21 12:18:32 MohammadAG: eMMC is a surface mounted version of MMC+ card Jul 21 12:18:42