**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 22 02:59:57 2011 Jul 22 03:04:05 # ./src/luajit Jul 22 03:04:05 LuaJIT 2.0.0-beta8 -- Copyright (C) 2005-2011 Mike Pall. http://luajit.org/ Jul 22 03:04:05 JIT: ON ARMv6 ARMv6T2 ARMv7 fold cse dce fwd dse narrow loop abc fuse Jul 22 03:04:05 > print"Wello Horld?" Jul 22 03:04:05 Wello Horld? Jul 22 03:04:10 \o/ Jul 22 03:05:29 anybody can give hints to hide the cursor in some programs.? Jul 22 04:41:50 Imagine you want to flip to left workspace/desktop, put one finger on screen - better left side, hold there and quickly put another on its right of the screen, then raise the left one. See, thats how easy to quick switch, no need to against swipe resistance. Jul 22 04:42:06 Seems very few people use this trick Jul 22 04:43:42 jiero: needs 2 fingers Jul 22 04:44:02 i've configured parallax to 2.1 .. no much swipe required Jul 22 04:46:40 cehteh: or you have split your nail into 2 d.D Jul 22 04:47:22 Hm, speaking of gestures, does anyone know of a way to make it easier to "right-click" on links in MicroB? Jul 22 04:47:36 opera Jul 22 04:47:40 I often times have to press like 5 times to get the proper menu to come up Jul 22 04:47:56 robbiethe1st: yeah seems to be hardcoded or somewhere hidden in gconf :/ Jul 22 04:48:02 darn Jul 22 04:48:13 pixel fudge factor and timeout should be configureable Jul 22 04:48:20 anyone want to buy a broken n900? Jul 22 04:48:24 tell me if you find somethnig Jul 22 04:48:38 pauly: whats broken and how much? Jul 22 04:48:43 brb reboot Jul 22 04:49:14 Well, the weird thing is that for left-clicking, it works great. for right-clicking, though, the link highlights, but most of the time it just shows the "generic" context menu Jul 22 04:55:25 re Jul 22 04:55:49 $ uname -a Jul 22 04:55:51 Linux pluto 3.0.0+ #32 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 22 06:06:51 CEST 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Jul 22 04:56:34 3.0 is out btw :P Jul 22 04:57:45 robbiethe1st: try with the stylus Jul 22 04:58:10 you have to keep your finger very steady it only registers a right click when you dont move Jul 22 04:58:31 (and you really have to hit the widget ...) Jul 22 04:58:43 That's not the problem - it registers it as a non-link right-click Jul 22 04:58:52 like if you long-pressed anywhere else Jul 22 04:59:05 without the "open link in new window" option Jul 22 04:59:38 yes not steady enough .. i see that too Jul 22 04:59:44 Hm Jul 22 04:59:58 try with stylus carefully that almost always works Jul 22 05:00:05 finger isnt steady enough Jul 22 05:00:29 Yea, that works Jul 22 05:00:30 it's just Jul 22 05:00:45 I was hoping to actually improve it's response somehow Jul 22 05:00:50 would be nice if thats easily configureable, but i dont know where Jul 22 05:01:26 yes .. i exactly know how it could be improved .. but i dont know where the option is if not hardcoded Jul 22 05:01:42 centeh: screen and usb broke Jul 22 05:02:09 ground shaking thunder Jul 22 05:02:17 oofs wrooong channel Jul 22 05:02:35 screen's $40 to replace; USB's about ~$5 if you've got some soldering talent Jul 22 05:02:35 pauly: eek .. i would liked it as donor for spare parts .. but uhm .. seems the spare parts one would need are broken :P Jul 22 05:03:00 I'd buy it if I had more than $5 in my account Jul 22 05:03:10 Darn people don't want to donate. Jul 22 05:03:14 It highlights the widget on first pressure, but makes decision of what kind of menu to bring up based on where pointer is at time of popping up menu Jul 22 05:03:49 worsest time for donations Jul 22 05:03:52 robbiethe1st: when you move it has some pixel treshold before registering it as drag or loosing the widget context and using the wrong menu Jul 22 05:03:59 interesting Jul 22 05:04:07 everybody saving up for holidays or goint to Jul 22 05:04:30 this is just all crap together .. for once its a bug that it doesnt registers the initial position .. and for another that you cant raise this treshold Jul 22 05:05:35 ok ... bye Jul 22 05:06:17 so noone needs my n900 Jul 22 05:06:37 Necc, in Finland the prison inmates get holidays too Jul 22 05:07:05 i would put it on ebay but i only got $190 for my n900 Jul 22 05:59:18 how can i log in to my nokia messaging account via web? when i try to i either get nowhere or to my ovi mail account Jul 22 06:17:40 better there is a ctrl key on N900 keyboard... Jul 22 06:17:47 then do ctrl left-click... Jul 22 08:18:36 GAN900: ping Jul 22 08:30:26 http://wwwdb.nokia.com/proto Jul 22 08:30:28 interesting Jul 22 08:31:56 I proudly take responsibility of this prototype and take good care of it. Jul 22 08:32:01 In case I lose it I will contact my prototype manager. Jul 22 08:32:10 riiiiight Jul 22 08:33:35 Hm, so what... generate a bunch of generic real-looking gmail addresses, and then spam that form with potential IMEIs? Jul 22 08:33:53 and see if you can't get any info out of it? Jul 22 08:34:59 you wont get any Jul 22 08:40:10 Hurrian: that sounds suspiciously like a portal quote Jul 22 08:42:15 BCMM , indeed Jul 22 08:42:51 looks like something you would find on a testing guideline list Jul 22 08:44:51 robbiethe1st: IMEIs are kinda long numbers Jul 22 08:45:02 with the N950, YOU are the test subject Jul 22 08:45:57 Take a known device, change a couple of the last numbers? Jul 22 08:47:05 ...due to mandatory testing protocols, you must dispose of your RM-680 in Elop's Nokia Value Incinerator Jul 22 08:47:13 sounds about right Jul 22 08:51:07 well, IMEI numbers are quite limited Jul 22 08:51:14 and sequential for a big part Jul 22 09:05:27 I can have a N950? Jul 22 09:05:31 How much are they?! Jul 22 09:09:03 good morning Jul 22 09:10:16 lolcat, they're not for sale.# Jul 22 09:10:39 crashanddie: nobody nowhere sells them? Jul 22 09:10:46 No. Jul 22 09:10:52 nope, and if they do, its illegal Jul 22 09:10:52 How EVIL! Jul 22 09:11:00 They're development devices only. Jul 22 09:11:01 What is Elops adress? Jul 22 09:11:56 Woodinville, Washington state, USA. Jul 22 09:12:30 isnt he from .ca? Jul 22 09:14:54 Your both wrong. He still receives mail from Redmond. NOTHING SUSS Jul 22 09:15:07 You're* Jul 22 09:17:19 If I wrote a personal letter to Nokia, with a tale of cancer and a life in sorrow, thin they will send me a N950? Jul 22 09:19:11 No Jul 22 09:19:17 lolcat: i am pretty sure they will send you an n8, or even worse, a windows phone. Jul 22 09:19:49 If I say I got brain cancer from their phone? Jul 22 09:20:21 lolcat, they will sue you for making them talk to their lawyers Jul 22 09:20:30 but you might wanna learn qt, qml, meego etc. and get a developer device still. Jul 22 09:20:48 Tronic, not even possible. Jul 22 09:20:55 dunno if all 250 are already given away Jul 22 09:21:01 they have been given away Jul 22 09:21:03 Front and back doors are closed Jul 22 09:21:04 but there are more Jul 22 09:21:12 too bad then. Jul 22 09:21:14 but those have their owners names written too Jul 22 09:22:13 hiemanshu, DDP took the week off! Unbelievable... :p Jul 22 09:22:28 no, expected Jul 22 09:22:34 with all the emails, etc Jul 22 09:24:05 hiemanshu, I wonder whether they will fasten my order up if I promise them my first baby... :p Jul 22 09:27:44 Psych, I'm infertile Jul 22 09:27:48 Just kidding :p Jul 22 09:28:48 That's what you think. Jul 22 09:29:28 heh Jul 22 09:29:42 * Termana makes a doctors appointment Jul 22 09:30:02 termana, pretty easy to check if you're fertil Jul 22 09:30:08 step 1, obtain wimmen Jul 22 09:30:12 step 2, sexy time Jul 22 09:30:16 step 3, wait Jul 22 09:30:53 if process returned error code 1, report CNR to bugtracker Jul 22 09:31:05 Hurrian, step 3a - feed and water and keep safe Jul 22 09:32:01 which reminds me, i still havent bothered to build that fully-ext4 maemo root i've been wanting to do Jul 22 09:32:25 brb, testing newly compiled kernel Jul 22 09:32:28 Hurrian, Is that the only thing you've got root to? Jul 22 09:32:36 why would you wan tto go with ext4 root? Jul 22 09:32:46 I think you just laid out some steps for yourself, like a to-do list or something Jul 22 09:33:01 :p Jul 22 09:35:11 * Hurrian rages Jul 22 09:41:40 oh menuconfig, why do you complain about needing 80x21 Jul 22 09:44:13 there are some rumors that "russian" N950's are @ Nokia Russia already :) Jul 22 09:45:24 Da Jul 22 09:45:40 wazd: a Serbian N950 recipient also said his device is @ Nokia Russia. How Russia is a shortcut from Finland to Serbia, I have no idea :) Jul 22 09:45:53 hehe Jul 22 09:45:58 achipa: me neither :D Jul 22 09:46:10 well both using Cyrilic letters ;) Jul 22 09:46:22 achipa: what's wrong with serbian customs anyway :) Jul 22 09:47:15 wazd: a-Ha ! that actually might be the case - Serbia and Russia have a duty-free regime for most items... Jul 22 09:47:49 while I'm pretty sure you have to pay serious $$$ if you get a package direct from the EU Jul 22 09:48:26 achipa: russian costoms simply don't accept packages with 0 value Jul 22 09:48:40 fun Jul 22 09:48:49 achipa: can't explain why, it's Russia, you know :D Jul 22 09:49:01 Da Jul 22 09:49:20 wazd: Serbian customs accept it. They have a very simple solution. Handling duty/tax is ~100E, regardless of what you declared. If it has value, it goes extra on top of that. Jul 22 09:49:30 Termana: you sound like Tom Hanks character in "the Terminal" :D Jul 22 09:50:08 achipa: oh well Jul 22 09:50:51 wazd, heh. "Da" is the only Russian word I know! And I only know it because of an IRC joke :p Jul 22 09:51:15 Termana: there's also "Net" i "Na zdorovie!" :D Jul 22 09:52:04 achipa, 100EUR? Jul 22 09:52:08 what the f--- Jul 22 09:52:19 Termana: for a more authentic accent say Да Jul 22 09:52:50 Hurrian, welcome to the balkans Jul 22 09:52:54 achipa, in Soviet Russia, accent authenticates you! Jul 22 09:53:15 zing Jul 22 09:53:52 that's like shoving a tank barrel straight up your--- Jul 22 09:54:17 Hurrian: they do that too. Well, at least did in the past. Jul 22 09:54:47 achipa: hehe, Да Jul 22 09:54:56 gah... why does the boss keep wanting on sending me to various traning even though that never helped me with anything Jul 22 09:55:41 ruskie, compliance/certifications i guess Jul 22 09:55:51 nope Jul 22 09:55:54 wut Jul 22 09:55:55 ruskie, those are called junkets, and you are suppose to a) drink lots of beer and enjoy yourself at them b) pretend to care about what is actually there and c) tell your boss that you think it is best for the company if he comes too Jul 22 09:56:18 WTF. I've just got an email saying "I've bricked my N9, and can't get it working even with the N950 image. Can you help?" Jul 22 09:56:27 Jaffa, rofl Jul 22 09:56:33 Termana, sadly not around here Jul 22 09:57:07 "Send it to me, and I'll take care of it" was a tempting response ;-) Jul 22 09:57:12 Jaffa: "No." is also tempting. Jul 22 09:57:12 ruskie, I suppose you don't electrocute people and leave them stuck in elevators either? Jul 22 09:57:14 :p Jul 22 09:57:20 Jaffa, lol Jul 22 09:57:25 Termana, no elevators around here Jul 22 09:57:57 as for electrocution... don't need... it self happens due to the crappy wirring Jul 22 09:58:07 heh Jul 22 09:58:21 ah, nokia still hasnt fixed the problem of the device constantly self-bricking it seems] Jul 22 09:58:39 Jaffa: You insatiable bastard :D Jul 22 09:59:41 Termana, around here generally any training is: arrive the day before -> start at 0900 -> end at 2200 -> repeat until done -> go back home Jul 22 09:59:43 wazd: Hell, an N9 (unbricked) would have fewer bugs and more features. Jul 22 10:00:04 jaffa, well unless you reflashed it with an older n950 image?-) Jul 22 10:00:33 Indeed. Jul 22 10:00:44 But I'd email Nokia and say "my N9's bust, can I have an image please?" Jul 22 10:00:47 not to mention someone yaking at me about stuff has never caught on for me to be the best method of learning Jul 22 10:01:26 Jaffa: wrong! "My N9's bust, can I have another one please?" :) Jul 22 10:01:56 wazd: Ah, true :-) Jul 22 10:01:58 not to mention I really don't have any wish to travel Jul 22 10:20:52 The public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AD88889DKk.... which command can addd and pubkey ? Jul 22 10:23:17 http://thenokiablog.com/2011/07/21/nfc-nokia-n9/ makes it easier to decide between the N950 and N9 for me. Jul 22 10:24:30 Jaffa, so which Jul 22 10:24:43 Fucking stupid. Jul 22 10:26:31 lcuk2: Given I was hoping to be able to buy my lunch in Boots via NFC, having a keyboard trumps minor thoughts about in-house geolocation using NFC tags Jul 22 10:26:34 I note that all the commenters on the nokia blog like the features that will be left out. Jul 22 10:40:09 ( it takes a reboot for you to go from a consumer to a power user and back) No, djszapi clearly said aegis CAN NOT get shut down Jul 22 10:41:08 allegedly you can boot your own aegis-free kernel, but that's yet to demonstrate to work Jul 22 10:41:47 obviously this aegis-free kernel will have no access to modem for example Jul 22 10:42:38 rsp, you won't be able to use nokia's dialer Jul 22 10:43:01 meegoCE is *supposed* to work, without aegis Jul 22 10:43:50 last statement of stskeeps was "some problems still to sort out, but no blinking red lights yet" OWTTE Jul 22 10:46:37 ouch Jul 22 10:46:43 no access to the modem Jul 22 10:49:49 GNUtoo|laptop: see next line Jul 22 10:50:55 it's unlikely (though possible) they even locked the hw if to modem by crypto means Jul 22 10:51:43 but aiui all the libs / binaries related to modem are blobs and signed Jul 22 10:52:43 GNUtoo|laptop: won't matter for FSO :-) Jul 22 10:59:11 * robbiethe1st is actually glad now that they didn't approve his N950 application Jul 22 10:59:23 why? Jul 22 10:59:46 No messing with all this CR@P Jul 22 10:59:53 Like signed binaries and such Jul 22 10:59:59 ahh Jul 22 10:59:59 hehe Jul 22 11:00:12 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/22/bofh_2011_episode_11/ Jul 22 11:00:13 and well, it leaves me more open for finding an /appropriate/ device in a couple of years Jul 22 11:01:09 Nokia's standard response is "this is meant to become a end user device" Jul 22 11:01:47 there are a lot even in community who think aegis is a *good* thing - OMFG Jul 22 11:01:53 ok Jul 22 11:02:04 ~aegis Jul 22 11:02:04 extra, extra, read all about it, aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism Jul 22 11:02:22 Aegis is a good thing - if under the users control. Jul 22 11:02:55 SpeedEvil: the concept of TC doesn't allow user control, there is not even a concept of user control Jul 22 11:02:57 I absolutely want my phone to be a brick, if stolen. Jul 22 11:03:00 Sure it does. Jul 22 11:03:11 (well there is, but it's complex and never been implemented) Jul 22 11:03:20 There is nothing stopping the user from having the auth keys in principle. Jul 22 11:03:27 yes Jul 22 11:03:36 there's a whole lot Jul 22 11:03:46 blocking this to ever happen Jul 22 11:04:09 derp dee herp, why not encrypt the whole filesystem, add a hardware crypto accelerator, and leave the key somewhere in the SoC, and drop the key on, say a SMSCON command Jul 22 11:04:11 See, that's the thing. If I have the keys, it's a good thing. If I *don't* have the keys, it's unacceptable. Jul 22 11:04:18 1st: you can't use the same key on each device then Jul 22 11:04:41 That's not a hideous barrier - there is always IMEI Jul 22 11:04:50 2nd: you can't deploy the secretkey on device then Jul 22 11:05:00 SpeedEvil , reminds me a lot of Microsoft Palladium Jul 22 11:05:12 You can always have it generated on first boot, and have it encrypt the fs then Jul 22 11:05:14 not protecting the user's content, it's protecting others' content Jul 22 11:05:19 or actually, when you enable the option Jul 22 11:05:33 The secret key is the secret key in the chip XOR the IMEI or something. Jul 22 11:05:36 oh, and what's so bad about openssl and random crap generation? Jul 22 11:05:46 Rea by the on-chip bootloader, for example Jul 22 11:05:50 Read Jul 22 11:06:00 robbiethe1st: nonsense Jul 22 11:06:02 not like we wouldnt wait a few minutes while it reads from /dev/random Jul 22 11:06:13 why not? Jul 22 11:06:26 Obviously Nokia'd never do it, but that's work, I think... Jul 22 11:06:38 SpeedEvil: haha Jul 22 11:06:46 Not XOR, clearly Jul 22 11:07:04 also, doesnt look like a feature that would belong on a NSeries device Jul 22 11:07:18 >>>>>>E-series Jul 22 11:07:18 SpeedEvil: that ofers the key to malware, as IMEI can get read out easily Jul 22 11:07:47 The secret key would not be readable through the device Jul 22 11:08:29 speedevil, hmm, it would probably need to be remade everytime the os is reflashed Jul 22 11:08:36 SpeedEvil: please check how your ssh-keys work Jul 22 11:08:59 either that or everything passes thru the SoC for crypting everytime you flash Jul 22 11:09:22 either way, both should deter desoldering, mounting and dumping Jul 22 11:10:33 SpeedEvil: also for your usecase there are already solutions, they are called PAM and cryptofs Jul 22 11:10:35 I've ot properly woken up Jul 22 11:11:03 I want the device to be an actual brick, if it's stolen. Jul 22 11:11:10 Flashing will not ressurect it. Jul 22 11:11:21 hmm Jul 22 11:11:45 well, that's technically unfeasible today Jul 22 11:11:47 Jaffa, re: nfc Jul 22 11:12:05 do you think WP will support it Jul 22 11:12:21 you always can reflash via JTAG, or by any other laboratory means Jul 22 11:12:26 how do we prevent that from being abused? Jul 22 11:12:32 anyways, omap3 rom is ROM Jul 22 11:12:45 unless you want to use an efuse and burn some crap Jul 22 11:12:54 permaflags "NEVER BOOT" Jul 22 11:13:34 DocScrutinizer: Sure it's not. SOC reads out IMEI in early boot, uses that and the 'nokia' key to verify the signature of the kernel/... Jul 22 11:13:57 s/kernel/bootloader/ Jul 22 11:13:57 SpeedEvil meant: DocScrutinizer: Sure it's not. SOC reads out IMEI in early boot, uses that and the 'nokia' key to verify the signature of the bootloader/... Jul 22 11:14:05 that's about what aegis does Jul 22 11:18:13 lcuk: No idea, TBH Jul 22 11:19:10 I'll ask again since this chan was dead :P Jul 22 11:19:26 is there a way to go over 100% on lineout Jul 22 11:19:36 SpeedEvil: anyway if there'S a tool you can use to sign your new image to flash with your imei, then this tool will get abused and you are nowhere. Would require still Nokia has the only secret key and offers a individually signed kernel to you, only when you can authenticate Jul 22 11:20:45 a sticker with the key on the phone. Jul 22 11:20:48 Or something Jul 22 11:21:24 I don't mean IMEI specifically - some unique ID that can be read from the modem Jul 22 11:22:23 SpeedEvil: that's exactly the point - it MUST NOT be readable anywhere Jul 22 11:22:47 TPM is all about NOT making key readable Jul 22 11:23:38 You are not reading a key that will allow it to boot. Jul 22 11:23:55 and this is the one property that causes most of TC headache Jul 22 11:24:14 You are readig a value which is hashed with the secret key to make the per-phone secret Jul 22 11:24:38 so it IS NO SECRET anymore Jul 22 11:25:17 if it's accessible it can be reverse engineered Jul 22 11:25:23 esspecialy if you let user run it's own apps Jul 22 11:25:36 as far as i understand aegis is just a software Jul 22 11:25:40 jacekowski: exactly Jul 22 11:25:48 no it isn't Jul 22 11:25:57 jacekowski: Sure - reverse engineered - which won't get you anything unless you can change the ID sent to the SoC in early boot Jul 22 11:26:00 it's a full implemetation of TC Jul 22 11:26:02 anyway - going to sleep. Jul 22 11:26:11 Horribly tired. Jul 22 11:28:22 SpeedEvil: simple as milk: nolo is signed, get your private nolo that checks for ser# of SoC (yes there is), and if it doesn't match you shutdown immediately Jul 22 11:29:17 as long as Nokia doesn't deploy NOLO without this feature, only your personal NOLO will work with that device Jul 22 11:30:01 if Nokia decides to deploy tools to build NOLO yourself, the whole purpose is flawed Jul 22 11:31:37 NB this is in no way different to burning a individual rootcert to every device and sign each nolo with a different key Jul 22 11:32:24 it still relies on some secret kept smewhere, where YOU don't have access to it Jul 22 11:33:23 as soon as you get access to the secret without strong authentication, your security is flawed as hackers can get the secret as well Jul 22 11:34:21 that's a basic operation principle of TC and chains-of-trust Jul 22 11:37:54 and let's assume one day somebody finds N900 xloader has a hash that satisfies N9 bootrom cert, you probably have found the single point to permanently break the whole aegis chain-of-trust, as N900 xloader does not check for NOLO signature Jul 22 11:38:49 has anyone been able to use their n900 as a dlna controller? I have tried zhaan, but while it picks up on my dlna devices, it seems to only play one track at a time. Jul 22 11:39:16 it was "just" an incredible amount of work then, to patch all the aegis functions in kernel Jul 22 11:39:21 I'm assuming the secret is only published in a complete way on a sticker on the phone Jul 22 11:39:37 Otherwise it never gets outside of the SOC Jul 22 11:41:04 SpeedEvil: there are two "secrets": the secret-key aka private-key that's needed to sign things and the also "secret" pubkey in TPM that is used to verify signatures Jul 22 11:42:35 the secret property of pubkey is one of the most nasty properties of TPM Jul 22 11:42:36 no one? Jul 22 11:42:59 Can't you create the pubkey from the privkey if you get it? Jul 22 11:43:03 wooo! Jul 22 11:43:12 * wazd 's going to pick up his N950! Jul 22 11:43:22 robbiethe1st: nope Jul 22 11:43:35 generating a key pair is an atomic process Jul 22 11:44:38 robbiethe1st: read about the basics e.g. in arbitrary GPG tutorials Jul 22 11:44:44 darn Jul 22 11:45:48 Well, this is why I really hate TC. Jul 22 11:45:49 similarly, mediabox allows me to select a media renderer, but then nothing happens Jul 22 11:49:09 The public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AD88889DKk.... which command can addd and pubkey ? Jul 22 11:49:41 Evanescence: gpg --addkey Jul 22 11:49:47 Evanescence: j/k Jul 22 11:50:00 Evanescence: sorry your question laks ALL context Jul 22 11:50:48 DocScrutinizer: more detail. I searched on maemo.org, find similar question, And I tried similar command in ubuntu apply on N900. but does not work Jul 22 11:51:10 ~question Jul 22 11:51:10 somebody said question was If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jul 22 11:52:14 Evanescence: we can't see in our crystal ball what's been the command you tried when you got that error, so how could we know an answer? Jul 22 11:52:54 oh, I'm copying that command... Jul 22 11:53:06 gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key D6B6DB186A68F637 Jul 22 11:53:10 even if we may anticipate you are talking about maemo5 and N900, we still don't see from the error what's been the procedure that triggered it Jul 22 11:53:14 gpg -a --export D6B6DB186A68F637 | sudo apt-key add - Jul 22 11:53:25 sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys D6B6DB186A68F637 Jul 22 11:53:44 people are dist-upgrading maemo 5 to ubuntu ARM? Jul 22 11:54:03 Hurrian: HAHA sure Jul 22 11:54:13 lol Jul 22 11:54:34 oh, on a side note, it'd be fun if we could use a N900 to flash another N900 using on-device flasher Jul 22 11:54:39 apt-get dist-upgrade Ubuntu-ARM Jul 22 11:54:55 no, I try to add PUBKEY from ubuntu's key server. because I do not know N900's key server Jul 22 11:55:21 Hurrian: on a sidenote: I think that already has been done ;-P Jul 22 11:56:55 Evanescence: sorry, there seem to be waaay to many incorrect assumptions this statement is based on, so no way to give an answer Jul 22 11:57:19 does not Jul 22 11:57:40 Evanescence: I'm trying to coat my N900 with teflon as the frying of egs doesn't work Jul 22 11:57:47 pretty disappointed that the N900 doesnt have IR transciever Jul 22 11:58:15 with it being TX-only, it's pretty obvious what it's for Jul 22 11:58:17 PLZ how can I coat my N900 with teflon???!?? Jul 22 11:58:56 DocScrutinizer , obtain teflon nail coat Jul 22 11:59:07 brush all over device Jul 22 11:59:26 kernel-config limits 9001 9001 Jul 22 12:00:07 Hurrian: thanks :-D could you help Evanescence now please? Jul 22 12:00:27 what exactly is he trying to do? Jul 22 12:00:35 nobody knows Jul 22 12:01:23 [2011-07-22 13:47:22] gpg -a --export D6B6DB186A68F637 | sudo apt-key add - Jul 22 12:01:24 [2011-07-22 13:47:34] sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys D6B6DB186A68F637 Jul 22 12:01:30 if that helps :-D Jul 22 12:03:00 I *could* suspect he's trying to apt-get install $random-ubuntu-pkg and gets a weird error from apt, equally weird to the intended action Jul 22 12:03:27 but that's mere guesswork Jul 22 12:05:26 I'm not even sure he's using maemo Jul 22 12:08:09 Hurrian: you're aware that it needs only ~4 components to build a IR-RX dongle to plug to AV? Jul 22 12:08:56 Hurrian: though a proper USB IrDA stick plus h-e-n will serve you better Jul 22 12:55:53 hey guys... I need some serious help. :( had a corrupted photo on my N900 and it would not let me rsync past this one phone, nor see any of them when ssh'ed into the N900, but they would display in the photo app. In a rush I FOOLISHLY followed this post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43698 (post #7) to repair the filesystem and now my phone just reboots over and over... How can I get my N900 out of this loop, f Jul 22 12:55:53 sck the /home partition and NOT lose my photos? Jul 22 12:57:17 is the recovery boot working? Jul 22 12:58:30 ccooke: URL please. :) Jul 22 13:01:55 mtnbkr: can't find it, damn. and I don't use my n900 any more (the wife has it, since it's the last one with a workind usb port) Jul 22 13:06:57 ccooke: I am pretty much freaking out... I need my N900 to be working - use it for work - and I need the photos what else can i do - without re-flashing it. :( Jul 22 13:07:18 aren't the photos in the emmc, which is safe in flashing? Jul 22 13:07:23 of course, unless you reflash the emmc Jul 22 13:07:52 okay. There's a recovery mode that boots to a shell. IIRC it's accessed via booting with.. d and s held down? Anyone remember? Jul 22 13:07:59 I don't think it solves the original problem, though Jul 22 13:12:00 mtnbkr: flashing rootfs seems the way to go Jul 22 13:12:07 if I can get to a shell promt, I can fsck th e/home partition, (where the photos live, no? Jul 22 13:12:39 DocScrutinizer: If I flash ONLY rootfs, I will be safe (and my /home will not be touched right? Jul 22 13:12:50 ccooke: there's no such thing Jul 22 13:13:00 mtnbkr: right Jul 22 13:13:19 DocScrutinizer: damn, brain is misfiring. Jul 22 13:13:21 mtnbkr: photos are in MyDocs, though thumbnails are in home Jul 22 13:13:21 I am seriously nervous about this... Jul 22 13:13:53 Trewas: right, but isn't MyDocs on the /home partition? Jul 22 13:14:02 no Jul 22 13:14:08 mtnbkr: no, it is a separate fat32 partition Jul 22 13:14:15 mydocs is the 28MB VFAT partition Jul 22 13:14:23 GB even Jul 22 13:14:53 ahhh Ok... I can not see mine now (currently rebooting over and over ) and I am in panic mode. :) Jul 22 13:15:41 it's like /home is a mount of ext3 2GB partition to / ubifs, and MyDocs is a mount of 28GB VFAT to /home/user/MyDocs ext3 Jul 22 13:15:42 MyDocs is quite easy to fsck manually, just umount and fsck -a /the/correct/dev... I have needed to do that a few times after it was read-only mounted because of unclean umount/shutdown Jul 22 13:16:40 mtnbkr: as soon as your bootloop got fixed, plug the device to your PC in mass storage mode, and backup your whole MyDocs Jul 22 13:17:50 then you might want to run fsck against it, also from PC which is waaaay faste than on device Jul 22 13:18:01 afaik Jul 22 13:18:11 (never tested) Jul 22 13:18:30 right,,, So I want to flash fisaco image, correct? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 22 13:18:36 yes Jul 22 13:18:40 brb Jul 22 13:18:42 thanks Jul 22 13:18:42 DocScrutinizer: naah, it only takes under a minute even on the device, vfat is quick to fsck because it doesn't do much Jul 22 13:19:17 Trewas: I heard other reports, which were about hours and hours Jul 22 13:19:32 DocScrutinizer: well, maybe if it is badly enough broken Jul 22 13:19:46 it depends on number of files you got there Jul 22 13:20:31 and starting at an arbitrary number of files, fsck will enter swap-hell mode on device Jul 22 13:20:56 as the data structures are kept in RAM Jul 22 13:21:27 at this moment things become really slow Jul 22 13:21:49 like by factor 100 slower Jul 22 13:21:53 tell me about swap hell Jul 22 13:22:28 while the total time needed is also increased by the mere number of files to check Jul 22 13:23:22 last week I got a notebook back where the other company installed a vm image because they didn't want to give away there propertiary installers, genius guy there was wondering why everything sucked so hard and was uberslow, well he gave the vm 1500 mb ram while the machine only had 1gb physically, lol? Jul 22 13:23:43 so starting with a number of files on the checked volume that's dependent on your free RAM, you'll see a knee in performance when number of files goes beyond that limit Jul 22 13:24:35