**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 05 02:59:56 2011 Aug 05 04:23:42 cehteh? Aug 05 05:25:31 good morning Aug 05 06:05:57 morning Aug 05 06:35:16 hi...anybody use N900 here? Aug 05 06:35:42 naah, we all have iPhones Aug 05 06:36:06 :D Aug 05 06:36:10 what~~ Aug 05 06:36:14 are you kidding ? Aug 05 06:36:20 no Aug 05 06:36:20 naah Aug 05 06:36:22 I am serious Aug 05 06:36:23 I have a android Aug 05 06:36:32 how could it be...i thought only N900 and N8?0 support maemo Aug 05 06:36:36 Sampppa_: did you try the new angry birds on the iPad 2? Aug 05 06:36:42 its lovely Aug 05 06:36:48 If you pop up in a channel, and ask a silly question... Aug 05 06:36:50 SpeedEvil: android meh, get an iPhone Aug 05 06:37:00 hiemanshu: i have got enough of angry birds already :) Aug 05 06:37:07 hiemanshu: but new Skype is good for ipad2 :) Aug 05 06:37:07 hah ok Aug 05 06:37:12 yeah Aug 05 06:37:15 and FB enabler :D Aug 05 06:37:33 anybody could suggest another webos game? i have installed nsfu already..i want another Aug 05 06:37:51 if you buy an iPhone try, plants vs zombies Aug 05 06:38:47 hiemanshu: do i know you? How did u know i have ipad2? :D Aug 05 06:39:14 He knew because of the way you walk and the way you talk Aug 05 06:39:20 Just kidding! :p Aug 05 06:39:21 lol :) Aug 05 06:39:22 Sampppa_: wild guess :P Aug 05 06:39:29 and I remember you speaking about one Aug 05 06:39:40 hiemanshu: on IRC? Aug 05 06:39:44 yes Aug 05 06:40:04 hiemanshu: i must have been drunk cos i cant remember :) Aug 05 06:40:37 i bet when things turn for the better, abill will be the first to take credit for it Aug 05 06:41:05 shite Aug 05 06:41:07 this is a problem Aug 05 06:41:32 dear hiemanshu ,thank you for your advise. but i don't like plants vs zombies. i hvae already played this game on pc for thounds of times Aug 05 06:41:36 Damn BNC is reconnecting me for some reason Aug 05 06:43:01 join #dota Aug 05 07:31:09 cehteh? Aug 05 07:38:42 sooo. is there anything that I can do about Sojourner 0.2.4 not being imported to extras-devel, despite building fine? The conference starts tomorrow … Aug 05 07:47:38 when it's the conference?? Aug 05 07:49:19 godtrunks: “the conference” == Desktop Summit 2011 in Berlin, in my case :) Aug 05 08:00:36 Goo moorning all Aug 05 08:01:01 morning Aug 05 08:09:27 wjt: ping X-Fade Aug 05 08:11:30 new stuff for maemo??:D Aug 05 08:33:30 X-Fade: hello. any idea why http://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/ has not been added to extras-devel? Aug 05 08:52:06 So I got metasploit running on my N900 but it takes 4 years to start up. Anyone used this before? Aug 05 08:58:05 hardly, all of the early adopters are just halfway thru startup Aug 05 09:00:41 lol Aug 05 09:05:57 haha Aug 05 09:06:06 what did you expect on 256Mb? Aug 05 09:34:53 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-831 Aug 05 09:34:59 Hohoho Aug 05 09:37:30 cehteh? Aug 05 09:46:50 hmm Aug 05 09:47:01 raid0 mmcblk* -- can we do it? Aug 05 09:51:15 problems? Aug 05 10:06:12 Hurrian: intriguing idea, but prolly overkill Aug 05 10:09:07 Hurrian: yes, but kernel has a bug on concurrent access, wont be faster :/ Aug 05 10:09:40 i tried raiding swap (same prio) the device doesnt become faster but more unreliable Aug 05 10:09:56 godtrunks: what? Aug 05 10:11:01 need some help Aug 05 10:11:02 :D Aug 05 10:11:27 lter u r? Aug 05 10:11:33 l8er u r? Aug 05 10:11:51 godtrunks, speak normally Aug 05 10:12:09 i'm at work Aug 05 10:12:15 and? Aug 05 10:12:23 does that prevent you to write in proper English? Aug 05 10:12:24 i can't speak now Aug 05 10:12:30 heh Aug 05 10:12:44 then dont speak? Aug 05 10:12:51 have break in 20 min Aug 05 10:13:00 make my day. Aug 05 10:13:03 Be a troll. Aug 05 10:13:18 no.. Aug 05 10:13:57 i want to remove gingerbread from my phone Aug 05 10:14:44 it;s in my system.. Aug 05 10:15:22 i create another partition Aug 05 10:16:34 i want to remove it Aug 05 10:16:36 but how? Aug 05 10:17:41 can u hlp me? Aug 05 10:23:41 Uh, ask on the forums? Aug 05 10:29:08 .. Aug 05 10:29:21 can't help me? Aug 05 10:34:06 short skirts and hard wind <3 Aug 05 10:35:41 so, how i remove it? Aug 05 10:45:00 cehteh? Aug 05 10:46:41 reflash your device, combined and emmc :D Aug 05 10:47:17 duh, why didn't I think about that obvious answer? :-D Aug 05 10:48:12 DocScrutinizer: no idea... how about eating popcorn for once? Aug 05 10:48:40 hehe Aug 05 10:49:34 ~flashing Aug 05 10:49:35 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 05 10:50:06 we need a flash image for µSD as well .. to ease support Aug 05 11:05:34 tha'ts bad.. Aug 05 11:05:42 that's bad.. Aug 05 11:06:42 and it's no other way? Aug 05 11:10:33 godtrunks: in theory you should be able to remove the partition and expand the old one as long as the partition you want to delete is at the end of the physical space Aug 05 11:11:50 just do the reverse procedure you used to create it Aug 05 11:12:20 hmm, anyone still here interested in raid? Aug 05 11:12:34 i think the bug was in swapon though Aug 05 11:12:50 a real striped device is probably better Aug 05 11:13:24 ok Aug 05 11:13:29 wish me luck :)) Aug 05 11:13:33 we might be interested as soon as you report great success Aug 05 11:14:09 i do it after backup Aug 05 11:14:49 Hurrian: try and report :) Aug 05 11:14:50 Hurrian: and yes I think there was a flaw in swapon as well Aug 05 11:15:21 this doesn't preclude a bug in kernel mmc driver Aug 05 11:15:23 while i think there is no much point in raiding data, Aug 05 11:15:48 would be little wasteful Aug 05 11:16:16 DocScrutinizer: do you think swap on md raid0 instead same priority would work better? Aug 05 11:16:22 i could try that Aug 05 11:16:33 (well possibly over a loop device) Aug 05 11:17:25 I think swap on uSD (actually not on / or /opt device) may bring some speed improvement when swap gets involved Aug 05 11:17:44 DocScrutinizer, it does improve responsiveness Aug 05 11:17:44 i tried, no noticeable benefits Aug 05 11:17:54 Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search mdadm Aug 05 11:17:54 Nokia-N900:~# Aug 05 11:17:57 .. bah :P Aug 05 11:18:24 hmm Aug 05 11:18:29 Hurrian: mind to port mdadm ? Aug 05 11:18:41 well maybe its in easy-debian then one can use that Aug 05 11:18:44 cehteh: sudo debian \ apt-get install mdadm\ which mdadm Aug 05 11:18:54 :) Aug 05 11:19:03 oh, we'll need to enable kernel drivers too Aug 05 11:19:14 pk may have it Aug 05 11:19:19 it doesnt Aug 05 11:19:29 need to recompile Aug 05 11:19:30 oh well Aug 05 11:19:33 ok .. not for me then .. not that much interest Aug 05 11:19:40 lemme set up scratchbox Aug 05 11:19:45 this'll take 9000 hours Aug 05 11:19:45 get me laz0rs while you're at it ;-P Aug 05 11:19:48 compcache would be vastly more useful, put your efforts into that Aug 05 11:20:31 i have no idea what was actually enabled for power kernel config Aug 05 11:21:09 compcache is available as a patch for 2.6.28, making me think that its one of the things just disabled until tested thoroughly Aug 05 11:21:22 well it seems the config is one of the patches of this PK patchwork Aug 05 11:22:02 ah, finally, an excuse to delve into kernel configs of other architectures Aug 05 11:22:21 Hurrian: yes. i would like if someone makes a package and help testing Aug 05 11:22:51 compcache can be externally compiled and loaded, i just didnt tried yet Aug 05 11:23:05 sure, lemme install debian + scratchbox first Aug 05 11:23:09 someone reported it doesnt work when one uses the backing store, but skrew that, not needed Aug 05 11:23:16 which mind you is already around 1GB in downloads Aug 05 11:23:36 and while you're at it, you could also revert the useless nonsense possibly broken patch to lp5523 kernel driver Aug 05 11:23:36 comcache, when working could be the next best thing after sliced bread Aug 05 11:23:38 cehteh, how much compressed ram does 256M hold ;) Aug 05 11:24:08 Hurrian: you can prolly double the ram, depends on usage Aug 05 11:24:22 then again Aug 05 11:24:27 it's maemo and not android Aug 05 11:24:37 512M compressed would be fine Aug 05 11:24:41 thank God Aug 05 11:25:06 finish with maemo Aug 05 11:25:08 thx Aug 05 11:25:10 >:D< Aug 05 11:25:13 Hurrian: thats sensible Aug 05 11:25:28 i get compression ratios of about 50% or better on my laptop Aug 05 11:25:28 btw seems harmattan has all the nifty ram/cache compression ootb iirc Aug 05 11:25:30 i have uninstall android Aug 05 11:25:48 without flashing Aug 05 11:26:01 DocScrutinizer, is PK really responsible for the "notification LED goes dull after exposure to sunlight" bug? Aug 05 11:26:03 duh, you're the first Aug 05 11:26:23 err, never heard of that bug Aug 05 11:26:32 hmm lemme reword that Aug 05 11:27:06 i have the "device on" LED pattern on, and it turns very faint red after using the N900 in the sun. remedied by battery pull or leaving it in pocket Aug 05 11:27:10 make compcache instance of lets say 300MB .. will eat at max approx 150MB ram, leaves 100MB uncompressed ram ...100+300 .. net result is about 400MB Aug 05 11:27:10 was very easy to unintall Aug 05 11:27:13 godtrunks: and before you ask, see /topic Aug 05 11:27:35 Hurrian, it affects all patterns Aug 05 11:28:03 I'm not sure why it happens, but it happens only in sunlight Aug 05 11:28:10 strange Aug 05 11:28:19 that's mad Aug 05 11:28:25 godtrunks, it was probably 'mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /and && apt-get remove --purge multiboot multiboot-kernel-power nitdroid-kernel && rm -r /and' Aug 05 11:28:34 i always wondered why they dont use the ALS for dim he notification led .. maybe they tried and failed Aug 05 11:28:46 no Aug 05 11:29:00 log in to root Aug 05 11:29:08 mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /and -o noatime Aug 05 11:29:14 Hurrian: you're sure it's not a red warning indicator pattern to inform user about overtemp? Aug 05 11:29:21 and then Aug 05 11:29:21 nitdroid-uninstaller Aug 05 11:29:31 DocScrutinizer, I'm sure Aug 05 11:29:31 that was all Aug 05 11:29:34 DocScrutinizer, it's definitely not overheating Aug 05 11:29:48 I've encountered it many times at school Aug 05 11:29:48 so what else? ALS? Aug 05 11:29:54 device stays <45C, all the time Aug 05 11:30:04 no overclocking, it's actually undervolteg Aug 05 11:30:06 f the temp sensor it's broken anyway Aug 05 11:30:06 there is an overtempearture warning? Aug 05 11:30:15 i know pattern-error which is red blinking Aug 05 11:30:22 it explodes Aug 05 11:30:35 cehteh: there's definitely a -EBAT Aug 05 11:30:47 oh, and the best one ever: device malfunction, system shutdown Aug 05 11:31:38 Hurrian: OCers are pitched and feathered here ;-P Aug 05 11:31:54 wonder why the n900 came loaded with "safety functions", when the target market was rather obvious Aug 05 11:32:06 the symbian devices need watchdogs, not us Aug 05 11:32:09 because of that :) Aug 05 11:32:15 have you seen a 5800 lock up? Aug 05 11:32:18 no one overclocks a iphone :P Aug 05 11:32:32 cehteh, you can turn off iphone's DVFS ;) Aug 05 11:32:46 note that they're underclocked for a reason though Aug 05 11:32:54 the silicon is not high quality Aug 05 11:33:20 MohammadAG: can't you debug what'S going on with LP553? Aug 05 11:33:37 when that mystical stuff happens Aug 05 11:33:52 oh, regarding the ALS, it would be great if it didnt take 5 seconds to change brightness Aug 05 11:34:05 yeah Aug 05 11:34:06 haha Aug 05 11:34:13 on my laptop it changes instantly Aug 05 11:35:07 i hate it when going by train and there are power poles thowing shadows 1 times a second while the train travels Aug 05 11:35:16 10times Aug 05 11:35:48 N900: delightfully tacky yet unrefined Aug 05 11:35:50 IroN900:~# cat /var/lib/mce/mode Aug 05 11:35:51 normal Aug 05 11:35:53 :-o Aug 05 11:35:53 well instant but slow reaction would be nice, integrate the light over lets say 2-5 seconds Aug 05 11:36:13 continously Aug 05 11:37:21 hmm, we should put together a very long list of what grinds your gears wrt the n900 Aug 05 11:37:43 Bugzilla for one. Aug 05 11:37:44 i think it was posted on tmo a while ago: it doesnt shoot bullets Aug 05 11:38:02 Hurrian: Aug 05 11:38:04 IroN900:~# ll /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-* Aug 05 11:38:05 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36952 2010-07-29 14:30 /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so Aug 05 11:38:06 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30772 2010-07-29 14:30 /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-simple.so Aug 05 11:38:45 where is the source? ... lala Aug 05 11:39:00 pfff Aug 05 11:39:01 als/simple is a config switch Aug 05 11:39:06 Oh - and not properly implementing linear write reconsolidating swap. Aug 05 11:39:15 To be fair - this wold be completely new code. Aug 05 11:39:18 simple just doing constant brightness Aug 05 11:39:23 thats documented somewhere Aug 05 11:39:29 But it does cause a slowdown after several days for some users. Aug 05 11:39:31 pointer please Aug 05 11:39:58 uhm .. mce.ini? Aug 05 11:40:13 yeah, but nuttin documented there? Aug 05 11:40:34 yeah documented somewhere on maemo.org .. wiki or some talk thread Aug 05 11:40:46 o/ bbl Aug 05 11:41:13 dito Aug 05 11:47:33 in nokia X6 can i have a handwriting application? I want to write my text msgs with my finger? is it possible? Aug 05 11:49:27 Sorry - completely off topic. Aug 05 11:49:37 Unlikely anyone would know. Aug 05 11:49:46 X6 isn't maemo. Aug 05 11:50:47 sorry i just made a mistake.. Aug 05 11:51:33 np Aug 05 11:57:33 if x6 is symbian, try #symbian Aug 05 13:32:31 * SpeedEvil wonders if there is any chance of warranty replacements of n900s getting n9s. Aug 05 13:33:07 hehe, in that case I think mine could really break soon :) Aug 05 13:33:12 break one in 2-3 months and find out, id like to know :D Aug 05 13:33:34 Mine is a bit broken. Aug 05 13:33:37 But... Aug 05 13:35:38 its a gamble in which its probably best to not hold your breath :p Aug 05 13:37:18 the n9 has no keyboard :( Aug 05 13:37:38 NOKIA, Y U NO SELL N950 Aug 05 13:38:33 because of Flop, that's why Aug 05 13:38:37 kerio, one word. Elop. Aug 05 13:41:35 NOKIA, Y U USE AEGIS Aug 05 13:41:46 NOKIA, Y NO uSD SLOT IN N9 Aug 05 13:42:24 because they don't trust the linux community (hint: some retarded owners in tmo) Aug 05 13:42:26 NOKIA, Y N9 DOESNT USE LiPo Aug 05 13:42:50 because they want mimick Apple like every other damn android powered device Aug 05 13:43:00 heh Aug 05 13:43:13 i think aegis and no SD slot only serve to gimp the device Aug 05 13:43:35 gimp? Aug 05 13:43:42 hamstring Aug 05 13:44:02 uhh, lets see what are better words for it Aug 05 13:44:24 limit what the device can do, i guess Aug 05 13:45:35 well to limit and to cripple (i.e. belittling maemo/meego community) the device Aug 05 13:45:52 no s**t Aug 05 13:46:09 its sad really but inevitable Aug 05 13:46:19 with the whole aegis thing, might as well run wp7 on it Aug 05 13:46:42 then again Aug 05 13:46:49 microsoft is not liking .net Aug 05 13:46:57 which happens to be the core of wp7 Aug 05 13:47:06 uhh, wp7's app platform Aug 05 13:47:59 I'm sure there has to be a way around it, when DocScrutinizer pointed out that aegis page on nokia, I saw there was a few lines which looked like XML to disable aegis. Though I don't think its an easy fix but I'm sure with that little hack exploited, one could in theory disable and therefore eradicate aegis Aug 05 13:48:51 You can't simply disable aegis on the device. Aug 05 13:48:55 As I uderstad it. Aug 05 13:49:04 You can however boot a kernel with no aegis. Aug 05 13:49:16 it would suck if the UX depended on aegis to run Aug 05 13:49:31 no you can't disable it within easy measures, but in theory it is possible to somehow get rid of it if you could manage to disable aegis Aug 05 13:49:38 How much hackery it requres to get the underlying apps to work in this state is a seperate question. Aug 05 13:50:03 wonder if someone can just make a stubbed aegis to say "YES IT'S SECURE" Aug 05 13:50:06 I thought aegis was just another software, lol it sounds like its as bad as SELinux Aug 05 13:50:08 Hurrian, it's Lithium Polymer in N900, N9, etc Aug 05 13:50:19 Aegis is sort-of SELinux Aug 05 13:50:27 ShadowJK, since when was it LiPo in BL-5J? Aug 05 13:50:31 Some of the stock applications (accounts, for example) depending on aegis being there Aug 05 13:50:46 But the rest of the system /shouldn't/ care Aug 05 13:51:05 fiferboy: For example, does the dialer rely on it to store contacts? Aug 05 13:51:08 Or stuff like that. Aug 05 13:51:17 SpeedEvil: Yeah, those are the answers we need Aug 05 13:51:21 Hurrian, since they used a polymer to bind the contents together, instead of using a metal container to keep the contents pressed together Aug 05 13:51:48 great, instead of closed programs, we now have closed programs with drm Aug 05 13:52:34 We don't know that yet. There have been comments that it should work fine with aegis removed. Aug 05 13:52:38 Hurrian: But it *should* be possible to install open source alternatives, for example dialer Aug 05 13:52:51 ah Aug 05 13:53:12 well, we're going back to qt rewrites of system apps Aug 05 13:53:47 the hot steamy dump on the community continues... Aug 05 13:59:09 lol Aug 05 13:59:19 I'm pretty sure MS is making them do it. Aug 05 13:59:25 A better question would be why Nokia isn't using the new improved Lithium Ion batteries.. But I guess they don't make them in Polymer version yet Aug 05 13:59:37 Improved? Aug 05 13:59:44 You mean fast charge? Aug 05 14:00:04 Saft has some awesome cells (that you cannoy buy) Aug 05 14:00:33 specified for tens of thousands of cycles, and decades of service. Aug 05 14:00:35 why does OpenGL not supported by mobile graphics card... Aug 05 14:00:39 No they can be charged to 4.35 and discharged to 2.5V (without "venting with flame" like current mainstream ones) Aug 05 14:01:08 Panasonic's NNP, Nickel based New Platform Aug 05 14:02:09 Even if they were made in Polymer version and BL-5J shape, we'd only get limited benefit from it, as we'd only be able to increase charge voltage, not decrease cutoff voltage :) Aug 05 14:02:51 oh oops, Panasonic NNP wasn't one of those 4.35V cells Aug 05 14:04:27 The real issue I care about is aging Aug 05 14:05:01 If you don't implement stupid charger hardware, sticking to 4.2 isn't an issue Aug 05 14:05:01 Weird, Panasonic's NNP 18650 is specced to 2900mAH for 4.2-2.5V, LG Chem's ICR18650 C1 2800mAh 4.35V - 3V Aug 05 14:05:21 Is that absolute maximum, or cyclic? Aug 05 14:05:55 When is somebody gonna hack swipe into Hildon Desktop? Aug 05 14:06:25 when the source is available or someone else reverse engineers swipe Aug 05 14:07:07 SpeedEvil, no it's specced to operate between 3.00 - 4.35V. You don't get full rated capacity with 4.2 Aug 05 14:07:40 I'd be very worried about capacity fade and aging at 4.35 Aug 05 14:08:08 http://www.saftbatteries.com/Produit_Containerised_Li_ion_battery_system_468_311/Language/en-US/Default.aspx Aug 05 14:08:19 Yeah they promise 300 cycles to 80% Aug 05 14:08:28 Half a megawatt-hour battery. Aug 05 14:08:46 probably worse than 300 as Li-Polymer Aug 05 14:08:54 psycho_oreos, source is pretty irrelevant. Aug 05 14:09:03 Just reimplement the functionality. Aug 05 14:09:08 You can't backport it. Aug 05 14:10:06 GAN900: I'm not saying backport it, rather to incorporate the actual mechanisms of swipe functionality. Aug 05 14:12:01 * SpeedEvil idly wonders about compiz. Aug 05 14:12:04 argh, so many chemistries now Aug 05 14:12:23 * SpeedEvil wants AgPt. Aug 05 14:12:37 A couple of tons should do. Aug 05 14:13:00 LiCo, LiMnNi, LiMnCoMn, and too many variations of LiCo :/ Aug 05 14:13:42 can't blame them for being creative and experimenting which combinations work best ;) Aug 05 14:14:02 Not quite. Aug 05 14:14:06 It's to avoid patent fees. Aug 05 14:14:17 * SpeedEvil assumes. Aug 05 14:14:41 well that could also be a possible case Aug 05 14:18:25 psycho_oreos, the code wont just drop into Maemo. Aug 05 14:19:16 They all have subtle differences in internal resistance, cycle life, and out-of-spec behaviour Aug 05 14:20:30 GAN900: that's what I meant :) you can't implement the functionality without knowing all the little tidbits. Source code doesn't exactly seem irrelevant here if you can't see how it works from source code unless you plan to create a lookalike functionality :) Aug 05 14:20:53 You can see how it works pretty easily just by using it. Aug 05 14:21:00 technically it's doable in hildon-desktop Aug 05 14:21:13 yeah that's what you call: clean room reverse engineering Aug 05 14:21:37 looking at how it works and creating a `lookalike' != creating an exact clone basing on the source code Aug 05 14:22:30 not exactly clean room reverse engineering I should add, not without having a team of more than one in the first place :p Aug 05 14:22:55 Yeah, wasn't looking to play a semantics game. Aug 05 14:28:01 i have a craving for oreo milkshake Aug 05 14:28:36 abill_uk talking about reverse engineering maemo: "Well i tried even with my limited experiance of linux and i at least got some of the source listed". lol, this guy is... Aug 05 14:28:58 a genius Aug 05 14:29:07 in need of some sort of help Aug 05 14:29:16 lrn2ignore ;p Aug 05 14:29:44 i'd hate to meet him in real life :P Aug 05 14:29:59 but he's to be the next council chair! Aug 05 14:30:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1064658#post1064658 Aug 05 14:30:10 he's going to make a rather large keynote in the next summit. Aug 05 14:30:35 'what does the Q in QML stand for' Aug 05 14:30:43 Qt? Aug 05 14:30:53 as in Qt Modelling Language Aug 05 14:31:08 *shrugs* I wouldn't know if that answer is right or not :) Aug 05 14:31:18 I know - was referring to someone at meego conf. Aug 05 14:31:24 heh, i was thinking Qt Markup Language Aug 05 14:31:31 oh Aug 05 14:31:32 Qho actually did ask during a presentation what the Q in Qt was Aug 05 14:32:24 ask trolltech Aug 05 14:32:33 sounds more like a Qt conf than meego conf :) throwing around somewhat obscure question Aug 05 14:34:25 Naah. Aug 05 14:34:33 He also asked what 'PNG' was. Aug 05 14:36:41 I wondered if he got accepted for the N950 developer program... :) Aug 05 14:39:17 probably Aug 05 15:10:39 Hurrian: ( wonder if someone can just make a stubbed aegis to say "YES IT'S SECURE") forget it - that's not what aegis does Aug 05 15:11:40 aegis is for example managing accounts, it's not like accounts manager is asking aegis "IS SYSTEM SECURE?" Aug 05 15:12:54 and probably the Nokia account needed to make e.g. Map and Drive app work is impossible to "emulate" without aegis account management Aug 05 15:13:17 same will probably apply for OTA updates Aug 05 15:13:22 bbl Aug 05 15:13:40 re Aug 05 15:14:34 you quite possibly can get rid of aegis, but that will most likely mean you also will get rid of a lot of Nokia "proprietary" stuff Aug 05 15:15:56 so not really any difference to fremantle, just some apps like maybe dialer etc might be foss now but then rely on a lot of aegis functions so you still can't simply replace them by your own mod-o-fied version Aug 05 15:16:05 bbl again Aug 05 15:42:04 any of you guys tried links-hacked? Aug 05 17:11:26 I'm done for the week. Have a nice weekend all. Take care. Aug 05 17:56:23 my scud batteries have arrrived ^^ Aug 05 17:57:06 chargin em up nao :D Aug 05 17:57:13 got them from lucia lui Aug 05 17:57:24 recommend to buy from them - very kind Aug 05 17:57:39 free screen protector and free fast shipping ;D Aug 05 17:57:53 cant beleive they were so cheap Aug 05 17:57:58 there must be a catch.. Aug 05 17:58:00 heh Aug 05 17:58:14 i liked the customs workaround Aug 05 17:58:16 on the box Aug 05 17:58:19 'business gift' Aug 05 17:58:20 hrhr Aug 05 17:58:42 that doesn't tend to help much Aug 05 17:59:44 but there tends to be some limit on "personal" imports Aug 05 17:59:57 before they charge you customs Aug 05 18:00:32 ah Aug 05 18:00:54 I know in .si they raised it up a lot like a year or so ago Aug 05 18:00:58 before that it was like 30 eur Aug 05 18:01:04 now it's like 10 times that or somethin Aug 05 18:01:05 g Aug 05 18:08:52 hmm interesting... importing of computer peripherals from the USA is customs free but you do need to pay the VAT for it apparently Aug 05 18:09:35 of course since the UK tends to do things it's own way most of the time there might be different stuff Aug 05 18:12:05