**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 02:59:57 2011 Aug 06 03:09:52 is there anyway to watch vimeo videos on maemo? Aug 06 03:12:18 They're flash? Aug 06 03:43:22 loool " bugzilla quips Aug 06 03:43:33 "C++ (n.) an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog" Aug 06 03:44:07 lol Doc, wtf :) Aug 06 03:58:51 Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live. -- John F. Woods Aug 06 03:58:55 haha Aug 06 04:08:18 Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. Aug 06 04:08:22 hehe Aug 06 04:11:06 https://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/Project_Flow_Control Aug 06 04:12:10 if anyone is bothered ive got a version of that twitter plugin here that works with supertweet Aug 06 04:12:30 if they dont wanna wait for he full oauth version Aug 06 04:12:47 which will be next week sometime i think as i have to go to milton keynes tomorrow for a bit :/ Aug 06 05:37:19 I still can't get MfE working on my N900 - I get "Error in Communication with Exchange" Aug 06 05:37:28 server is of course m.google.com Aug 06 05:41:04 google does exchange? Aug 06 05:42:05 thought it only did imap etc Aug 06 05:42:13 fusi: yes, it's how Windows Phone 7 and Symbian phones do Gmail properly. Aug 06 05:44:16 oooh Aug 06 05:44:17 fusi: just got it, rebooted phone and tried again\ Aug 06 05:44:32 ah gratz Aug 06 05:45:13 newly flashed N900 + kernel-power + CSSU + fapman + google, very nice. Aug 06 05:46:45 :) Aug 06 05:46:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1065000&postcount=166 Aug 06 05:47:06 theres a working twitter plugin Aug 06 05:51:32 still can't find a replacement keyboard :S Aug 06 05:52:04 get a 3d printer to make u 1 Aug 06 05:52:19 :/ Aug 06 05:52:22 might cost a bit tho Aug 06 05:52:41 insane that I can't get a replacement Aug 06 05:52:55 checked ebay et al? Aug 06 05:53:05 yep, bought 2, both 1mm too big Aug 06 05:53:25 btw do u know if starting a charge invalidates vdq? Aug 06 05:53:39 cant trim them? Aug 06 05:54:23 VDQ? Aug 06 06:00:22 its a value the bq chip sets when a full charge is detected Aug 06 06:00:37 its used to learn battery capacity Aug 06 06:00:51 afaik Aug 06 06:02:10 hmm Aug 06 06:02:44 was going to copy a directory from a remote machine, but for some reason I get bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' Aug 06 06:03:37 The directory name contains a "(" (and also a ")"), i guess that's the problem. But the fact that it failed - is it my fault or a bug within scp? Aug 06 06:04:23 I can just rename it, but i wonder if that error is a bug within scp (so I can send in a bug report then) Aug 06 06:08:11 how r u specifying the filename Aug 06 06:08:26 i think you need to escape such chars Aug 06 06:08:51 just a thought, im just a noob Aug 06 06:09:43 I'm indeed escaping them Aug 06 06:11:14 i did: scp -r fiq@(censored):/home/fiq/Rollspelet$2$/Rollspelet ~/testmappen Aug 06 06:12:50 tried double escaping? Aug 06 06:12:58 \\( Aug 06 06:13:13 Nah, but i guess that would work Aug 06 06:13:30 just renamed the directory... less problems then Aug 06 06:13:37 :) Aug 06 06:44:44 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/VisionMobile-Open-Governance-Index/ Aug 06 07:47:56 one more noob question about setting up usb network. i connected n900 beast to usb, run ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.2 up on it, run isconfig 192.168.1.1 up on host, checked routes (exist), tried to ping - doesn't work. pinging from both sides has TX count of > 0 and RX of 0. what's going wrong? Aug 06 07:49:17 on host, cdc_ether and usbnet are loaded Aug 06 07:56:02 ah no tx and rx on device are 0 Aug 06 07:58:29 gena2x: http://pastebin.com/BbLTP1tn Aug 06 07:58:48 That's my host computer's /etc/network/interfaces chunk for USBnet Aug 06 07:59:22 It seems to work for pinging and ssh; haven't messed with internet over it Aug 06 08:02:30 only diff is using 2.x network and firewall config Aug 06 08:03:04 Make sure you're in PC Suite mode on the device Aug 06 08:03:11 yes i am Aug 06 08:03:23 and storage mode works ok Aug 06 08:03:38 i have no firewall on host at all Aug 06 08:03:47 so everything should be allowed Aug 06 08:04:06 and for freerunner usb network works well Aug 06 08:04:08 On device, in /etc/network/interfaces, you've got the same basic inet static,? Aug 06 08:04:24 i config it manually from command line Aug 06 08:04:39 Just put it in that file Aug 06 08:04:43 via ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.2 up Aug 06 08:05:05 hate rrain Aug 06 08:06:05 http://pastebin.com/Ww3p9dMc Aug 06 08:06:21 put that in your device's /etc/network/interfaces file, then try reconnecting Aug 06 08:06:30 It's worth a shot Aug 06 08:07:06 2.x network is wifi here :( Aug 06 08:07:23 and it should work without gateway Aug 06 08:07:45 damn... why in hell nothing works out of box on n900 too? Aug 06 08:08:01 Like USB networking? It's cause you're running Linux Aug 06 08:08:15 the PS Suite Windows app does some of that automatically... Aug 06 08:08:28 it certainly allows for some internet connection sharing. Aug 06 08:08:52 'sharing' one iptables line Aug 06 08:08:58 so it's not a problem Aug 06 08:09:28 All I can say is... I don't know. It works for me Aug 06 08:09:40 you lucky... Aug 06 08:09:42 I followed some set of instructions, and it worked right. Aug 06 08:09:53 thanks for suggestions anyway Aug 06 08:12:16 NP Aug 06 08:40:04 gena2x: wiki has correct ino on usb network. basically n900 has static ip of 192.168.2.15, and next higher ip is for pc side Aug 06 08:41:21 has worked without any issues for me. Aug 06 08:44:18 sorry, pc side is 192.168.2.14 Aug 06 08:47:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Aug 06 09:32:07 achipa, ping Aug 06 09:32:34 MohammadAG: pong Aug 06 09:32:51 achipa, we're upgrading Qt to 4.7.4 in the CSSU Aug 06 09:33:08 with more testing this time Aug 06 09:33:20 Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40700) with this library (version 0x40704) Aug 06 09:33:33 should we also send recompiled versions of libqtm-*? Aug 06 09:36:03 hey Aug 06 09:36:04 sup Aug 06 09:36:09 yeah Aug 06 09:36:15 though there are pitfalls thre Aug 06 09:36:16 there Aug 06 09:36:26 that's why I didn't do much with it... Aug 06 09:36:28 achipa, which are? Aug 06 09:36:54 for example if you go to 1.2, you will break all 1.1 apps that use Map* elements Aug 06 09:37:02 no no no Aug 06 09:37:22 I don't want to upgrade libqtm- packages to 1.2 Aug 06 09:37:35 ah, you want to keep the 1.0.2 ? Aug 06 09:37:48 yeah, just recompiling them against 4.7.4 Aug 06 09:37:51 that should work... in theory at least ;) Aug 06 09:38:02 don't think anyone tested that combo Aug 06 09:38:04 shouldn't they be compatible though? Aug 06 09:38:10 "in theory" Aug 06 09:39:51 multimediakit is the most 'sensitive' in that regard, the rest should be ok Aug 06 09:40:02 hmm Aug 06 09:40:30 MohammadAG, still here? Aug 06 09:40:46 the last Qt update didnt go so smoothly though... Aug 06 09:40:55 achipa, can you give suggestions in one area though Aug 06 09:41:05 shoot Aug 06 09:41:14 not all CSSU users have all libqtm packages installed Aug 06 09:41:21 rright Aug 06 09:41:31 but those that do have to install the recompiled version Aug 06 09:41:33 N9 priced around 550 euro. Aug 06 09:41:38 news from China. Aug 06 09:41:59 is there a way to tell apt to upgrade if already installed? Aug 06 09:42:52 probably not Aug 06 09:42:53 jiero, how many GB? Aug 06 09:42:57 HAM is a pain in the butt Aug 06 09:43:18 achipa, HAM is slow and should be replaced asap Aug 06 09:43:24 Hurrian: 16GB Aug 06 09:43:30 owch Aug 06 09:43:33 what the... Aug 06 09:43:46 Hurrian, this one will Aug 06 09:43:56 achipa, so any suggestions? or should I just have a preinst window saying "you should install the recompiled versions" Aug 06 09:44:53 MohammadAG, you fixed Qt 4.7.4? Aug 06 09:45:41 MohammadAG: can't you make the pr-whatever-cssu package depend on it ? will it not pull all those in ? Aug 06 09:45:53 freemangordon did Aug 06 09:45:58 good morning Aug 06 09:46:27 achipa, that'd install libqtm for those who don't need it Aug 06 09:46:27 that or throw an 'if package x then apt-get install package x' Aug 06 09:46:28 (the root problem being that you don't want to end up with different versions of different modules) Aug 06 09:46:59 MohammadAG: do we care ? they are small, optified, and people will need it more and more Aug 06 09:47:28 achipa, can I have a question for you? Aug 06 09:47:29 Hurrian, apt can't nest itself Aug 06 09:47:29 so you can't run apt from postinst Aug 06 09:47:45 you can, but you may not ask it :P Aug 06 09:47:47 D: Aug 06 09:48:05 Hurrian: if you want to apt-get within an install scrpit, it means your dependencies are wrong ;) Aug 06 09:48:11 heh Aug 06 09:48:22 Venemo: shoot Aug 06 09:48:22 b-b-but it's a conditional statement! Aug 06 09:49:24 achipa, I have a QML model-view setup for displaying my IRC channel list and it works. however, in the delegate when the user clicks on a channel name, I want the app to switch to a different channel. for this, I would need to call a method of the model, but unfortunately I can't seem to do that. Aug 06 09:50:07 emit signal ? Aug 06 09:50:15 I can't listen to the model's signals either Aug 06 09:50:27 I tried QML Connections element, it says no such signal Aug 06 09:50:41 you mean view's signals ? Aug 06 09:50:44 seems that nothing else is avalilable from the model, only the stuff I set as "roles" Aug 06 09:50:55 I mean the model's signals. Aug 06 09:51:12 you mean delegate's signals ? Aug 06 09:51:16 ( :) ) Aug 06 09:51:27 no, I mean, the _model_'s signals Aug 06 09:51:34 yes, yes, kidding Aug 06 09:52:03 I have a class called ChannelModel, which has a signal: void receiveMessage(const QMessageModel &message) Aug 06 09:52:28 and I have a ListModel filled with these. Aug 06 09:52:30 signals named "receive..." are just wrong Aug 06 09:52:49 in fact, it's called messageReceived Aug 06 09:52:52 I was just typoing. Aug 06 09:53:00 but don't try to change the subject :P Aug 06 09:53:02 that's a different thing ;) Aug 06 09:53:04 onReceivedMessaged Aug 06 09:53:15 oh, signals, nvm Aug 06 09:54:22 but anyway, doesn't ring a bell, and can't really check (not at a dev-capable comp) Aug 06 09:54:58 Venemo: I'd poke people at qt-qml Aug 06 09:55:14 too, many, qt-, channels Aug 06 09:56:52 achipa, well, I found a workaround: I added Q_INVOKABLE (new q* spell) method to my ListModel subclass Aug 06 09:57:36 achipa, oh, by the way... why are the examples telling me that I need to subclass QAbstractWhateverModel every time I need it for something? Aug 06 10:19:57 Hmm... US down to AA+ Aug 06 10:20:21 Only? Aug 06 10:20:32 give it time. Aug 06 10:20:33 I'd have expected it'd be a B or D by now Aug 06 10:21:06 anybody familiar with CSS can help to tweak the svg-edit ui ? let it fit N900? Aug 06 10:22:56 gah, my N900 wont switch with a USB connected, no matter how much battery it has Aug 06 10:29:52 hiemanshu: same problem here. a solution is open the lens, and press shutter... Aug 06 10:30:17 jiero: ok, thats an odd workaround, but what ever works :) Aug 06 10:41:53 your N900 actually bots to runlevel $CHARGING whenever connected to USB, if it "doesn't switch on" then there's a probelm with kernel and/or initsystem Aug 06 10:53:41 is there any windows tool to unpack debs ? Aug 06 10:53:52 casketizer, 7-zip Aug 06 10:53:57 thx Aug 06 10:54:13 DocScrutinizer, namely, /sbin/preinit Aug 06 10:54:23 do note multiboot alters it tho Aug 06 10:57:49 prolly a large cause of bootlooping Aug 06 11:01:17 fuckin docpurge Aug 06 11:01:32 is it safe to delete that scourge? Aug 06 11:50:58 is package build-essentio Aug 06 11:51:02 err Aug 06 11:51:27 is package build-essential available in official repositories? Aug 06 11:51:53 im going to install but it says its not available Aug 06 11:52:53 On my n900, I have git 1.6.5.7-3. Anyone know if someone has ported 1.7? Aug 06 12:06:16 * GAN900 stabs things. Aug 06 12:09:45 GAN900, nah, nah, nah. Stabbing things is for #meego , you had the right channel. Aug 06 12:09:50 :p Aug 06 12:10:48 sorry folks, please confirm that n950 has no sdcard slot? Aug 06 12:11:01 confirmed Aug 06 12:11:03 second time you ask this today Aug 06 12:11:07 :p Aug 06 12:11:23 yes, but I have notgot the answer and went on to do other things Aug 06 12:11:26 sorry and thanks Aug 06 12:11:34 no SD slot Aug 06 12:11:43 wow Aug 06 12:11:51 if you want, you can have my dremel and try to make one Aug 06 12:11:52 Talk about going down hill fast Aug 06 12:12:15 Hey, I did that on my N770 <_< Aug 06 12:12:19 Still works too... Aug 06 12:12:36 lollercoaster coming down the tracks Aug 06 12:13:16 Mohammad: Nah, I am tired of dremelling today... Aug 06 12:13:23 You didn't just stick SD cards in it either did you?... Aug 06 12:13:34 You stuck SDHC cards in it, dirty boy! Aug 06 12:13:57 you can also send your N950s to your local abill_uk Aug 06 12:14:00 Yup Aug 06 12:14:22 8GB SDHC card(with the casing removed) jammed in there and 6 wires soldered up Aug 06 12:14:42 MohammadAG, my local abill_uk? Gee, I was hoping there was only one of them and they were located far far away. Now your telling me I have a local one? Aug 06 12:15:02 Why do you have to make life so difficult? :p Aug 06 12:15:03 ^^ Aug 06 12:15:46 Termana, yes, we're trying to get one in every country Aug 06 12:15:51 at least one Aug 06 12:16:53 I just hope abill_us will be as far as possible from me Aug 06 12:17:13 same with abill_can Aug 06 12:17:17 robbiethe1st, I have no doubt abill_us would be from Texas Aug 06 12:17:23 Oh. Good. Aug 06 12:17:26 lol just kidding Texans :p Aug 06 12:17:54 (never know who you might offend with jokes around here) Aug 06 12:18:13 But isn't it true? :P Aug 06 12:18:58 :p Aug 06 12:19:11 robbiethe1st, we have 50 abill_us-s, one in each state Aug 06 12:19:17 Oh no! Aug 06 12:19:55 Extra taxes may apply for an abill_can though Aug 06 12:20:09 MohammadAG, how many do you have in Australia? Aug 06 12:20:20 (hint, this is a trick question) Aug 06 12:20:29 All but one? Aug 06 12:21:02 (I know one guy in Australia who's not, so...) Aug 06 12:21:13 one in every kangaroo's pouch Termana Aug 06 12:21:21 robbiethe1st, I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE. Aug 06 12:22:00 No, that's "I C WUT U DID THER" Aug 06 12:22:08 MohammadAG, I was kind of hoping you would look up Australian "states" and declare that we have 6 abill_aus' Aug 06 12:22:24 Then I would have told you that I would go to one of the two territories Aug 06 12:23:14 robbiethe1st, we have a bogan infestation down here, but I'm not sure which is worse. abill_aus or the bogans Aug 06 12:23:34 That's a trick question, isn't it? Aug 06 12:23:42 what if we equalize the number of abill_aus and bogans? Aug 06 12:24:01 They'd cancel each other out? Aug 06 12:24:20 MohammadAG, how about you just stick em all in New Zealand Aug 06 12:24:25 Then they can all share their sheep Aug 06 12:24:31 err... I mean... shear! Aug 06 12:24:38 * Termana eye rolls Aug 06 12:24:39 we have abill_nz there Aug 06 12:25:06 the only problem is abill_il Aug 06 12:25:22 we haven't decided whether to send that to Illinouis or Israel Aug 06 12:25:41 heh :p Aug 06 12:25:52 i want to compile and install something, when i enter ./configure it says: sh: ./configure: Permission denied Aug 06 12:26:05 chmod +x configure Aug 06 12:26:18 lemme guess, it was in a zip? Aug 06 12:27:01 heh, wat a silly question i asked Aug 06 12:27:06 if it's on MyDocs it wont work Aug 06 12:27:22 no it was on /root Aug 06 12:27:24 that too Aug 06 12:27:34 abill_what? Aug 06 12:27:43 its working now, tnx muhammad Aug 06 12:40:18 what do you use for midi playback on N900? Aug 06 12:42:40 wildmidi Aug 06 12:42:49 It's... decent Aug 06 12:43:30 ok Aug 06 13:16:03 http://www.raspberrypi.org/?page_id=2 <-- hmm Aug 06 13:16:07 * ShadowJK benchmarks one of his USB keys to 20Megabyte/s write speed, 15 kilobyte/s random write speed Aug 06 13:16:36 block size appears to be 2M Aug 06 13:25:20 does QT sdk 1.1.2 still support maemo and come with madde ? Aug 06 13:47:50 |-))))))))) Aug 06 13:54:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1065000&postcount=166 Aug 06 14:06:37 guess noone give a flying shit Aug 06 14:10:01 Guys with male pattern baldness SHOULD NOT start sex change hormone therapy. . . . Aug 06 14:12:19 Has anyone tried ssh'ing to his phone when on the mobile hotspot (of his own phone) Aug 06 14:12:26 It just always denies my password Aug 06 14:19:53 fusi, thx....but what do i respond at supertweets register ann app questions? Aug 06 14:23:09 er Aug 06 14:23:17 what do you mean? Aug 06 14:23:36 you just to ccreate a supertweet account Aug 06 14:23:50 and allow the MyAuthProxy app to acccess ur account Aug 06 14:24:07 u thden setup a user/password for supertweet Aug 06 14:24:24 its that user/name u put into the plugin Aug 06 14:24:38 i got a questionaire what app o want to register Aug 06 14:24:52 o=i Aug 06 14:24:59 can u screenshot it? Aug 06 14:25:06 not anymore Aug 06 14:25:30 i just answered N900 plugin Aug 06 14:25:51 and wrote nonein all other fields but email Aug 06 14:25:55 and wrote none in all other fields but email Aug 06 14:26:10 seems to have worked Aug 06 14:27:10 is Secret=password? Aug 06 14:27:26 it says secret not set after email verification Aug 06 14:28:01 www.supertweet.net Aug 06 14:28:12 if u click that link and click login Aug 06 14:28:25 where does it take you? Aug 06 14:28:57 i clicked on the register login Aug 06 14:29:04 i clicked on the register link Aug 06 14:29:09 damn :) Aug 06 14:29:23 it took me to twitter authorization Aug 06 14:29:34 u should get a big msg saying "Authorize MyAuthAPIProxy to use your account?" Aug 06 14:29:42 yea Aug 06 14:29:55 auth it Aug 06 14:29:58 after that i got register new app questionaire Aug 06 14:30:06 then setup a password on the next page Aug 06 14:30:28 after i filles questionaire i got email Aug 06 14:30:58 after i clicked link in email i could activate and set secret, which is the password Aug 06 14:31:11 ytf they make shit so confusing Aug 06 14:33:08 aha Aug 06 14:33:18 was just taking a screenshot Aug 06 14:33:26 but if ur there now :) Aug 06 14:33:55 i was just confused by all the questions about an app Aug 06 14:34:36 i dont remember doing that myself.. Aug 06 14:35:11 how to know when fsck finished a job? Aug 06 14:35:52 ah, it's still working Aug 06 14:44:16 working for you casketizer ? Aug 06 14:50:10 Juozapas, just don't ctrl+c it Aug 06 15:19:33 transmission always stop responding and then crash the file system.. any solutions? Aug 06 15:34:47 juo download to sd card makes it better but not perfect Aug 06 15:34:59 Juozapas* Aug 06 15:58:30 casketizer: maybe it's better if you use ext3 file system? Aug 06 17:07:51 SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: please refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_LED and that other pattern page, I updated some relevant point there Aug 06 17:08:15 k Aug 06 17:19:03 @Nokia (whoever you are ;-D) you maybe also may want to have a peek Aug 06 17:29:02 huh. using the n900 to tether using PAN is in fact working so well I have to watch out not to overdraft my traffic allowance. Been only using it for 2-3 days and I've already used up 700mb of the 2000 I have ^^ Aug 06 17:40:04 Shapeshifter: not much I could recommend, except maybe the data traffic volume warning function Aug 06 17:43:11 I've set it to a relatively low volume threshold right now, like 10MB or sth, So I get a notice for every chunk eaten from my 500 volume Aug 06 17:44:12 (not tethering, so 500 usually fine here) Aug 06 17:48:54 i have 50mb/day Aug 06 17:48:55 :| Aug 06 17:49:25 I have 6G a month, and when that is used, I pay $2 more for another 6G Aug 06 17:49:47 well mine just gets throttled after 2G but is unlimited in general. Aug 06 17:49:55 I just need to get a fix line internet connection that's all. Aug 06 17:50:20 Shapeshifter: drops from 3G to EDGE? Aug 06 17:51:33 wtf? throttling sucks. :( Aug 06 17:52:20 do you have also throttlet internet connections at home? Aug 06 17:52:41 My operator's TOS says I could be deprioritized for using "too much". I don't know what "too much" is. I used 20 gigs a month for half a year, and didn't experience any "depioritization" :P Aug 06 17:53:15 20 gigs per month is nothing... Aug 06 17:53:33 if you just watch few movies from hululu/alike you'll easily go over that. Aug 06 17:54:05 Yeah iirc it was just gpodder set to download a fairly active youtube channel :) Aug 06 17:54:10 ShadowJK: most ISPs here give you unlimited day, which is throttled after a certain limit Aug 06 17:54:37 I have an old plan, so I get unthrottled data, and my ISP calls me up is my monthly usage is below 150G Aug 06 17:54:42 wait, 20gb/month on your landline? Aug 06 17:55:00 holy shit, sometimes i use more than 20gb in a day Aug 06 17:55:31 kerio, what that does in a month? 600GB? Aug 06 17:56:02 c'mon limits on DSL are insane, nobody does that here Aug 06 17:56:21 DocScrutinizer, where, may I ask? Aug 06 17:56:29 OTOH you can't get truely unlimited 3G data here Aug 06 17:56:38 I've got unlimited 10/10 landline. Aug 06 17:57:48 anyway we're not discussing DSL, are we? Aug 06 17:58:33 I guess not. Aug 06 17:58:39 amti: :3 Aug 06 17:58:56 In here, they're selling unlimited 3g-dataplans as replacement to landlines... Aug 06 17:59:01 iirc i downloaded the whole MAME rom+chdset in like three days Aug 06 17:59:11 :D Aug 06 17:59:29 if I may say, I play with virtualization and my monthly data usage is over 1TB easily. Aug 06 17:59:41 that's 265,27gb Aug 06 17:59:44 amti: over 3G? Aug 06 18:00:08 DocScrutinizer, no. over my landline. my 3G is capped at 2MBps since it's really old plan. Aug 06 18:00:52 so what? Nobody cares about landline data volumes Aug 06 18:01:09 I guess we're all just chatting for fun - what's your excuse? Aug 06 18:01:28 I'm pissed about 3G data volume limit, esp since my 3G is potetially faster than my DSL Aug 06 18:02:16 so you have sucky DSL. What do you do with your 3G that you need speed? Aug 06 18:15:28 hiemanshu: not sure, I assume they can throttle it on their end. Aug 06 18:15:57 ah ok Aug 06 18:16:09 amti: nah at home I've got 25mbit and it's never throttled Aug 06 18:16:58 Ofc someone has faster, that's old news. Aug 06 18:17:53 I have 2Mbit :/ Aug 06 18:18:18 what do you use it for? Aug 06 18:18:39 I'd rip my pants off if I'd have 2Mbitps or only 3G :D Aug 06 18:19:25 but my deal is goin well. Adding up to the whole year I pay 289chf, which includes internet, any sms and free calls within the network plus a Nexus S. I'm currentlx selling it on ebay and it's at 215chf, expecting to get around 250. Aug 06 18:19:51 so a year worth of mobile surfing etc for around 35 euros isn't bad :) Aug 06 18:20:06 well it's not bad if you don' Aug 06 18:20:16 if you don't need that smartphone. Aug 06 18:20:41 I have an n900 after all. actually I've got a spare one as well Aug 06 18:21:14 I'm paying 10 euros per month for 2Mbitps 3G and that doesn't include any thing else than 20 free sms's via ISP's website. Aug 06 18:21:46 so all the sms and calls are extra to that... not that I'd call much. Aug 06 18:21:53 mhhm Aug 06 18:22:15 it's too bad that landline internet is so expensive. 25mbit is around 45 euros Aug 06 18:22:23 5mbit for around 27 Aug 06 18:22:37 50 for 55 euros Aug 06 18:23:53 they'll add tv and a phone for just 10 more but I never use that stuff Aug 06 18:25:42 amti: the max I can get here for a decent price is that Aug 06 18:26:00 amti: sucks being in India, but everything else is shit cheap though, so it makes up for it Aug 06 19:07:46 I'm looking for an extremly cheap nokia phone with gps (not a-gps) does anyone know what the bottom barrel nokia phone is with a real gps chip? Aug 06 19:45:08 sevard: The prerequisite for a-gps is a gps reciever anyway Aug 06 19:48:25 agps makes receivers cheaper ... so you wont find a non agps cheap phone Aug 06 19:49:16 less receiver channels, less quality amplifiers, smaller antenna Aug 06 19:51:03 Faster lock, better urban canyon performance Aug 06 19:56:20 hi Aug 06 21:16:34 SpeedEvil: any fast Vbat AD already? Aug 06 21:27:38 valdyn_ cehteh I'm looking for a phone with a _real_ gps chip. Apparently a-gps will only work with a mobile data connection and the phone I'm looking for needs to 1) have a real gps chip 2) cheap 3) run endomondo 4) have no mobile subscription Aug 06 21:28:23 sevard: any agps can work in gps only mode, but some do that rather poorly Aug 06 21:28:56 what kind of application, why dont you use an external usb or bluetooth gps dongle, these are cheap Aug 06 21:29:01 sevard: no Aug 06 21:29:03 it looks like the sirf III chips do it very well Aug 06 21:29:13 sevard: it will work without mobile data Aug 06 21:29:16 sevard: these are same chips Aug 06 21:29:18 cehteh: I'm looking for a means to track several runners via gps Aug 06 21:29:19