**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 11 02:59:56 2011 Aug 11 07:08:09 good morning Aug 11 07:12:09 Ok, guys, I've got a question. Aug 11 07:12:15 http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia Aug 11 07:12:44 so, it says I need to send my ID/username and... "AID-XXXX"... what's the last number and where do I find it? Aug 11 07:13:13 Hey, that worked. I found it! Aug 11 07:13:26 Seems that just asking solves problems, even if noone answers <_< Aug 11 07:27:01 i have forgot my facebook pass, and cant restore it. but its stored on the web browser on my n900, is there any way i can "crack" it? Aug 11 07:27:27 isn't there a "forgot password" link in facebook Aug 11 07:27:51 yeah but cant get it to work. old mail Aug 11 07:28:17 translation: someone I know used my n900 to access facebook and they saved there password there, is there any way i can "crack" it? :P Aug 11 07:28:20 so old it can't remember your credentials? ;) Aug 11 07:28:44 there's a couple of tools for looking up stored firefox passwords, have a look for one of them Aug 11 07:30:07 my email is shutdown and thats the one i use on fb and have always had autologin on fb Aug 11 07:30:24 lol radiofree!;) Aug 11 07:31:11 Triscar0: it'll be somewhere in your profile folder Aug 11 07:31:30 i haven't used a n900 in a while, but it's probably ~/.mozilla/ somewhere Aug 11 07:32:14 im confused, if you've got the password saved on your n900 whats stopping you from logging in on your n900. Aug 11 07:32:45 maybe you need the old password to create a new one? Aug 11 07:32:59 you do, but you dont need it to change your email address. Aug 11 07:33:00 * radiofree also doesn't have facebook, so that's another probably Aug 11 07:33:13 ahh Aug 11 07:36:40 the preinstalled browser on n900 isnt firefox? Aug 11 07:38:48 X-Fade, are you here? Aug 11 07:39:01 Triscar0: No. FF/Gecko /based/, but not FF Aug 11 07:39:03 Pali: Yes. Aug 11 07:39:13 It's got a custom UI Aug 11 07:39:27 can you see at my problem with kernel-power in maemo.org package interface? Aug 11 07:39:56 Pali: What is blocking it now? Aug 11 07:40:26 new version is still not shown (v47) Aug 11 07:41:05 Pali: Did you change the source package? Aug 11 07:41:19 I did not upload nothing Aug 11 07:41:29 Pali: Someone was smart enough to actually change the original source file? Aug 11 07:41:49 Pali: So the md5sum did not match anymore. Aug 11 07:42:07 yes, I think I changed orig tarball Aug 11 07:42:19 Never _ever_ do that :) Aug 11 07:42:33 Now you need to upload a new version. Aug 11 07:43:13 I'd like to relase new version v48, but I did not see v47 in package interface so I did not upload anything after v47 Aug 11 07:43:42 Pali: Well, the problem is in your sources. You have uploaded a file with different contents and the same name. Aug 11 07:43:59 This completely breaks your package. Aug 11 07:44:14 Ok, and can you fix that? Aug 11 07:44:25 The only way to fix this is to upload a new version and source with a different name. Aug 11 07:45:51 So I need to change debian version which will use other orig tarball? Aug 11 07:46:28 The whole idea about these debian and orig tarballs is that you keep the original source in place and add your changes in the debian on. Aug 11 07:46:50 *one Aug 11 07:47:19 Yes, I'd use orig tarball directly from kernel.org and in debian/patches are all patch files Aug 11 07:47:49 So you now need to upload a new version which uses another original source tarball. Aug 11 07:48:15 Which is strange of course :) Aug 11 07:48:49 Into v47 I added prefix 1: to version. Maemo repository ignore it? Aug 11 07:49:02 Doesn't matter. Aug 11 07:49:09 The problem is your source package. Aug 11 07:49:26 Before version: "2.6.28-maemo46" after: "1:2.6.28-10power47" Aug 11 07:49:38 And yes, it gets ignored in some places. Aug 11 07:49:48 And all using same orig tarball? Aug 11 07:50:05 Just browse to the dir in the repo. Aug 11 07:50:59 yes, only one tarball is here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/ Aug 11 07:51:43 Yeah, and that one is the one you have overwritten. Aug 11 07:51:53 So you are screwed. Aug 11 07:52:41 I did not know that I can overwrite files in repositories. Aug 11 07:53:30 And it is not possible to change md5sum of this tarball in maemo.org package interface? Aug 11 07:53:51 Pali: The problem is not there, it is in the .changes file. Aug 11 07:54:13 Pali: The package gets checked when it is in incoming, and it doesn't match, so it is rejected. Aug 11 07:56:40 Ok, I asked if you cannot change md5sum in interface, so when new file will be uploaded, it will not be rejected Aug 11 07:57:00 Pali: The problem really isn't in the interface. Aug 11 07:57:47 Pali: The problem is that on promotion, the source files get copied to incoming. It then checks your .changes file and notices that the orig.tar.gz checksum doesn't match. (As you have overwritten it later) Aug 11 07:59:04 So new version v48 can use this orig tarball: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz ? Aug 11 07:59:20 Or I need to generate new with other name? Aug 11 07:59:58 Pali: You can use the one that is there in a new version. Aug 11 08:00:54 This above was overwritten when I uploaded v47. Aug 11 08:01:28 So If I use this which is in v47 (which overwrite old), all will be OK? Aug 11 08:02:01 Pali: Let's try :) Aug 11 08:02:37 Ok. I will try to use this which is now in extras-devel Aug 11 08:03:24 And if does not work I will try to create new version which will have other name for orig tarball Aug 11 08:03:38 Ok, thanks very much for info Aug 11 09:09:00 Is it just me or is it really easy to fill up rootfs with syslog? :) Aug 11 09:11:24 Pali: ping Aug 11 09:11:33 pong Aug 11 09:11:48 Lets discuss the issue with kp here, not on tmo Aug 11 09:12:16 ok Aug 11 09:12:35 OK, my concern is that orig tarballs from maemo repos and kernel.org are different Aug 11 09:12:48 yes Aug 11 09:13:11 problem is that I overwited tarballs for kernel-power Aug 11 09:13:36 it is stock nokia Aug 11 09:13:41 and it then md5sum was incorrect Aug 11 09:13:56 get it from maemo repos and overwrite it again Aug 11 09:14:22 but If I change base version of kernel-power, I upload tarball with other name and all should be ok Aug 11 09:14:25 all the patches trough time were against stock nokia source tarball Aug 11 09:14:40 not against kernel.org version Aug 11 09:14:48 now kernel-power need upstream tarball from kernel.org Aug 11 09:15:08 debian/rules needs it Aug 11 09:15:42 and in debian/patches are stored all diffs against nokia stock kernel Aug 11 09:15:50 but previous patches were not made against it, what is so hard to understand. Is it my Englsh? Sorry, not native English speaker. Aug 11 09:16:07 I mean were not made against kernel.org version Aug 11 09:16:07 I understand you Aug 11 09:16:23 now I kernel-power (in git) use: Aug 11 09:17:11 orig kernel.org tarball --> nokia stock patch1 --> nokia stock patch2 --> nokia stock ... --> other KP patch --> other KP patch Aug 11 09:17:35 mainly because vanilla kernel (from kernel.org) doesn't contain any CPU compatibility with ARM for starters ;) Aug 11 09:17:52 so when is applied other KP patch 1 kernel tree is same as nokia stock kernel! Aug 11 09:18:19 psycho_oreos: So this is reason why I have first nokia stock patches Aug 11 09:18:43 orig kernel.org tarball + nokia patches is same as SDK version of kernel Aug 11 09:18:49 Why then the patches from your git repo don't apply against tarball from maemo repos Aug 11 09:19:09 it can be applied Aug 11 09:19:16 no, they cannot Aug 11 09:19:17 but you need know correct order and which Aug 11 09:19:30 hold on Aug 11 09:19:51 see in my git repo file debian/patches/series Aug 11 09:20:11 patches with name nokia-*.diff is nokia stock Aug 11 09:20:17 what do you mean "see it" Aug 11 09:20:19 I pull it Aug 11 09:20:44 put orig tarball where it should be, according to your instructions Aug 11 09:21:12 and the result is that last successfuly applied patch is phys_to_page.diff Aug 11 09:21:24 Pali, indeed Aug 11 09:21:28 patch ext4-data-corruption.diff does not apply OK Aug 11 09:21:41 against KP or stock? Aug 11 09:21:49 against stock Aug 11 09:22:04 there are differences Aug 11 09:22:20 that is the reason why patch does not apply Aug 11 09:22:31 and if you drop ext4 patch can you continue to apply patches? Aug 11 09:22:32 and noone has idea what else is different Aug 11 09:22:46 morning Maemo Aug 11 09:22:55 ext4-data-corruption.diff is second to last Aug 11 09:23:14 Now I'm merging my git repo into kernel-power on garage Aug 11 09:23:20 did not play to see if last applies corectly, it does not matter Aug 11 09:23:30 why is that? Aug 11 09:23:38 After ext4 are 2 other Aug 11 09:23:53 ok, so what? Aug 11 09:24:12 can you try disable this patch and try to apply next? Aug 11 09:24:25 not now, i am in the office Aug 11 09:24:57 ok, then tell me result Aug 11 09:25:21 after I merge my git repo into garage I can look at all patches Aug 11 09:26:30 but do you get my idea, inability to apply a patch against stock (or Nokia ) orig tarball means that kernel.org orig tarrball + nokia stock patch1 --> nokia stock patch2 --> nokia stock ... != Aug 11 09:26:50 maemo repos .orig tarball Aug 11 09:27:21 which means that we have no clue what is in rusultant source Aug 11 09:27:29 *resultant Aug 11 09:28:26 hm Aug 11 09:28:45 think i am going to be an android convert and get a transformer Aug 11 09:29:17 pali: what do you think? Aug 11 09:29:22 if i can print from it i'm sold Aug 11 09:30:26 I will try to find error why KP+patches != nokia stock Aug 11 09:31:16 You mean kernel.org + pathces != nokia stock? Aug 11 09:31:49 but still, isn't it easier to just use stock? Aug 11 09:32:14 I think KP+patches == stock, but you wrote that you had problem to apply patch Aug 11 09:32:29 that is what was used by titan, matan, me, all other KP developers. Aug 11 09:32:52 yes, I made a post ont TMO about that Aug 11 09:32:53 Now I see how is nokia kernel different from orig 2.6.28 Aug 11 09:34:02 didnt get that Aug 11 09:34:09 Pali: Did you look at the linux-omap one? Aug 11 09:34:53 yes, but a lot of (or all) nokia patches was not commited into linux-omap Aug 11 09:36:55 pali: I still don't understand why you insist on using kernel.org version, we are not doing some upstream development here, are we? Aug 11 09:39:40 I forgot one thing: Aug 11 09:39:54 usb host mode needed to revert some nokia patches Aug 11 09:40:42 and v46 has upstream 2.6.28 tarball (but not same as from kernel.org) + nokia patches without some which broke usb host mode Aug 11 09:41:13 see https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power Aug 11 09:41:31 titan did same as I (upstream tarball + nokia patches) Aug 11 09:41:58 I only changes tarball to correct from kernel.org (titan maybe created own with same files) Aug 11 09:43:29 the upstream tarball titan used is one from here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz Aug 11 09:45:14 but you cannot use this for usb host mode Aug 11 09:46:29 no v46 (by titan) is not using kernel_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz tarball, see: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=tree;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches;h=ae1455f54c2469a9d7e843558ae410834d134513;hb=a16c87405ab720bcdd1a24e0ce161dd25f2a6c93 Aug 11 09:48:02 hi, any tips to recover the original battery consumption rate for N900? I had it 4% consumed overnight when I first get it. Now 30% ... Aug 11 09:48:51 remove un-needed shit you have running Aug 11 09:48:51 Xorg always > 6% in top, this isn't normal right? Aug 11 09:48:56 or reflash the device Aug 11 09:49:13 oMo never did reflash before... Aug 11 09:49:29 oMo? Aug 11 09:49:58 o hand, M ears Aug 11 09:50:34 Kill hildon-desktop Aug 11 09:50:48 jiero: if you're running top in the xterm, then the xterm making X work a bit is normal... Aug 11 09:50:52 robbiethe1st: better kill Xorg :D Aug 11 09:51:28 and screwup the device :p Aug 11 09:51:37 Honestly, I've never had that cause a problem Aug 11 09:53:05 I'm using htop, apart from htop using 6% and AppLock -d using 1% the CPU remains hardly used, Xorg isn't even showing any CPU usage for now. This is with R&D mode enabled, so there must be something going on there. Maybe you're running something on N900's screen or installed some weird program Aug 11 09:53:13 maybe even using programs from extras-{testing,devel} Aug 11 09:53:43 one more question: any media player stop a bit when switch to Dashboard. is that a bug? Aug 11 09:54:12 ok I lied, Applock -d fluctuates between 1-3%. and occasional hildon-status-menu using 1% Aug 11 09:54:33 no that's not a bug. Its probably because your device is lagging Aug 11 09:54:40 lol Aug 11 09:54:52 pali: I mean the patches here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=tree;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches;h=ae1455f54c2469a9d7e843558ae410834d134513;hb=a16c87405ab720bcdd1a24e0ce161dd25f2a6c93 are applied against http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/kernel_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz Aug 11 09:54:57 so it always lags！ Aug 11 09:55:17 :O I must reflash then... Aug 11 09:55:36 not against tarball at kernel.org Aug 11 09:55:37 jiero: maybe you have something running all the time that uses 30% battery *and* slows your device down Aug 11 09:55:50 but here are nokia*.diff patches which can be applied on orig 2.6.28 kernel Aug 11 09:56:02 but the result is not the same Aug 11 09:56:13 lagging could be because of many things, including cases of where you have a rather bloated home-screen (i.e. lots of widgets, shortcuts, contacts, etc) and you left your device on (without shutting down/rebooting) for extended period of time Aug 11 09:56:15 that is my point all the time Aug 11 09:56:27 Ok, I can see on this later Aug 11 09:56:35 origs differ, so is the result Aug 11 09:56:39 If there are really problem it should be fixed! Aug 11 09:56:58 yes, use orig from maemo repos :P Aug 11 09:57:00 psycho_oreos: I don't think I can fix... Aug 11 09:57:18 then I need to drop usb host mode support Aug 11 09:57:22 noo Aug 11 09:57:24 why? Aug 11 09:57:36 becase PR1.3 kernel break host mode patches Aug 11 09:57:56 kp46 has patches to fix that Aug 11 09:58:05 it is on top of pr13 Aug 11 09:58:14 jiero, that's being rather vague :p in my case I have to inevitable reboot the device once every maybe 2-3 days due to my bloated setup Aug 11 09:58:24 i think that kp46 is not on top pr1.3 Aug 11 09:58:26 s/inevitable/inevitably/ Aug 11 09:58:26 psycho_oreos meant: jiero, that's being rather vague :p in my case I have to inevitably reboot the device once every maybe 2-3 days due to my bloated setup Aug 11 09:58:32 it is, 100% sure Aug 11 09:58:52 Now I'm going offline Aug 11 09:58:56 I see on this Aug 11 09:58:58 ok Aug 11 09:59:52 psycho_oreos: ok, thats very ok to me :D I often reboot for some stuff. rockbox crash, changing theme etc. Aug 11 10:00:02 psycho_oreos: or run out of power Aug 11 10:03:17 jiero, though there's many many other factors as to why your N900 is chewing more power than what it originally should. So far you've indicated switching from mediaplayer to homescreen you had mediaplayer paused on its own for a bit. That could also be programs running in background interfering with either of those two or something else Aug 11 10:04:35 psycho_oreos: I cannot figure out what is the factor. and forgot what had I done to it. so better reflash:D thats like the time I screw up and play with Ubuntu... Aug 11 10:04:56 psycho_oreos: thank you. Aug 11 10:04:58 Hi there, I am scripting phone call / phone release w/ dbus method (dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$NUMBER" uint32:0) Aug 11 10:05:30 I would like now to monitor after how many rings, the call had been picked up on the other side Aug 11 10:06:07 and then release the call w/ the Release dbus method Aug 11 10:06:33 jiero, lol reflash is probably the easiest option but you also do realise you would lose customisations, especially any customisations that would generally change the rootfs Aug 11 10:06:35 also monitor if the call had been picked up on the other side Aug 11 10:10:58 psycho_oreos: also upon the reflash, I finally get the chance to re-partition :D /home/user is too small, and ~/MyDocs way too large. getting 8GB spare and 8GB for MyDocs......rest to rootfs. Aug 11 10:27:55 psycho_oreos: I disabled maxCPU and graphic hardware acceleration and N900 seems become much better. Aug 11 10:28:57 jiero, never heard of maxCPU but I do know that graphics hardware acceleration was noted to be buggy on certain device (worse case scenario, may cause crash) Aug 11 10:29:39 hello Aug 11 10:29:53 is there anyway to set the kernel parameters in NOLO Aug 11 10:31:52 IThe one thing I found that really improved percieved performance is setting the minimum speed to 500mhz(and in my case, max 1ghz) Aug 11 10:31:55 doubt it, you'd need flasher tool for starters Aug 11 10:32:23 Without having to be at 250mhz for 150ms, first transitions are smoother Aug 11 10:32:54 I personally would never overclock mine, just a personal belief :) Aug 11 10:33:48 Yea, but hey - I like the extra speed. It makes it fast enough to completely replace my laptop. I know it'll fail sooner, but I'm willing to take that 'risk' Aug 11 10:34:08 I mean, I know I'll have to replace it sooner or later, why not get more power out of it in the meantime? Aug 11 10:34:13 massoud: there's no such thing like "how may rings" nowadays, not even on landline Aug 11 10:35:19 *shrugs* otoh replacement parts for N900 may soon become rare, so if something bad happens and if you still love your N900. You're pretty much sol imo Aug 11 10:35:59 can always buy a new one Aug 11 10:41:12 new `lookalike' one :) afaik Nokia stopped production of N900 long ago, and I did mention that N900 may soon become rare. I didn't say they are rare or you can't buy a new one now :) Aug 11 10:41:59 Not really; N770's are still available, and they've been out of production for /how/ long? Aug 11 10:42:44 :o genuine ones? Aug 11 10:42:48 Yea Aug 11 10:42:54 Mostly used, but... Aug 11 10:43:48 it doesn't make much sense, if Nokia stopped producing them, you can't buy it from regular stores anymore. How the hell are you supposed to know if its new or not? Aug 11 10:44:04 * jpinx is trying to buy a used n900 with broken screen for experimenting and parts Aug 11 10:44:12 If the box's sealed... Aug 11 10:44:19 http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-Original-Nokia-770-Internet-Tablet-NIB-/290592170959 Aug 11 10:44:59 though stickers aren't too hard to make unless Nokia used holographic type stickers imo :) Aug 11 10:45:25 There's plenty of holographic fake stickers, though Aug 11 10:45:40 Seen a decent copy on my Fake nokia spare battery Aug 11 10:45:45 easy to buy "sealed" ones here, but that's no guarantee of newness Aug 11 10:46:01 Well, the way I see it: If it works, and looks new, it's new. Aug 11 10:46:31 I don't care if someone has opened it, touched it, and put it back; so long as it looks in good shape, it's great. Aug 11 10:46:40 'course, I generally buy used for that reason... Aug 11 10:46:52 plenty of fake holographic stickers are part of the problem. Afaik for my N900 when I first bought mine, it didn't even have a holographic sticker. I can't imagine any of N900's predecessors having a holographic sticker to verify has the box been tampered with or not. Aug 11 10:47:34 Well, in all cases... it's up to trust. Do you trust the seller? Aug 11 10:48:01 get a guarantee other than nokia's Aug 11 10:48:06 and in either case that would still rest my case that you can't really buy a genuinely brand new N900 :) Aug 11 10:48:48 But would I *want* one? All I said was I would replace my own with a new one. I didn't mean new as in NIB, I meant new as in I-don't-have-it. Aug 11 10:49:08 ahh Aug 11 10:49:30 Hell, my N770 I got supposedly bricked ;) Aug 11 10:50:01 * psycho_oreos would think some ex-N900 owners may sell their damaged N900 after overclocking ;) or maybe when their microUSB port fell out Aug 11 10:50:02 I'm a tinkerer... so warrenties typically mean almost nothing - if it lasts a week, I consider it void Aug 11 10:50:25 microUSB port fell out/or is about to fall out/get broken off, etc Aug 11 10:50:36 robbiethe1st, hehe similar here... though it depends on the price point Aug 11 10:50:42 First case, maby. And who knows, I might just be able to fix it. Second case, that's what I've got a soldering iron for. Or, I could simply just avoid those... Aug 11 10:50:46 up to some 300 eur I won't really much care for warranty Aug 11 10:51:11 Yea Aug 11 10:59:02 psycho_oreos: lol, once disable CPUmax, even apt will let audio playback lag! Aug 11 10:59:17 will not* Aug 11 11:03:09 jiero, there you go, solving your own issue and retaining your current setup without going through the relash route Aug 11 11:03:22 lcuk, ping Aug 11 11:03:26 hi Aug 11 11:03:52 lcuk, just wondering is /var/log/* stuff optified or at least syslog && syslog.old? Aug 11 11:04:11 psycho_oreos, have a read of the optify conf in /etc Aug 11 11:04:34 lcuk, *slaps forehead* indeed lol Aug 11 11:05:43 yeah it doesn't appear to be from mine, in fact I later added that entry in as part of my own personal customisation to optification. Btw did you get my memo? Aug 11 11:06:22 i think so Aug 11 11:07:27 for some weird reason after relocating /var/log/syslog to /opt/maemo/var/log/syslog, symlinking the syslog, adding that entry into /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf and even editing /etc/syslog.conf to point the new log file location. My rootfs free space doesn't change Aug 11 11:08:07 the one about lbthomson's blog on /var/lib/dpkg being applicable for optification :) that's the credit part sorted out Aug 11 11:21:08 that's all half-measures :) pivot_root to mmc is a way to go :) Aug 11 11:22:11 I've constantly pondered on that thought Aug 11 11:28:23 hey, has anyone here dealt with Nokia's warranty replacement people? Aug 11 11:28:35 they're trying to give me an N8 as a replacement for my N900 Aug 11 11:29:53 Yeah, that sucks. I returned mine (by contacting NokiaCare) and got back a new N900 but that is not possible anymore. Aug 11 11:29:59 You can get an E7, though. Aug 11 11:30:06 I've read on tmo forums, some people refused to accept N8 and obtained mixed results ranging from E7 to holding out for another device to no deal Aug 11 11:30:10 I don't want an E7 Aug 11 11:30:21 I want a new N900 or the purchase price of an N900 Aug 11 11:30:22 Depending on your country, you might be able to get your money back but Nokia doesn't want to do that. Aug 11 11:30:28 yeah, I can imagine Aug 11 11:30:30 (UK) Aug 11 11:30:41 though some have pointed out that you can sell N8/E7 for another N900 Aug 11 11:30:50 You can get the E7, sell it for maybe 300 GBP and buy a used N900. Aug 11 11:31:03 There is no way you will get another N900 from Nokia anymore :( Aug 11 11:31:07 I'm relaying through a service centre, just started by rejecting it as a replacement due to a list of missing features that only an N900 can fulfil Aug 11 11:31:57 My advice is to not return N900s but instead repairing them yourself, or combining parts from two differently broken devices, if you love the N900. Aug 11 11:32:12 *shrug* I don't love it /that/ much Aug 11 11:32:29 it needs a bigger screen and a less-bastardised debian Aug 11 11:32:35 and a better keyboard :) Aug 11 11:32:37 its a bit too late for lupine_85's case Tronic :) Aug 11 11:32:45 a proper keyboard is my one big wish tbh :< Aug 11 11:32:50 but I want an E7 or an N8 much less Aug 11 11:33:07 symbian is no way near maemo, its like a defunct version of windows ;) Aug 11 11:33:08 I was going to turn the N900 into a little carputer when the time came to get a new phone Aug 11 11:33:31 near similar to maemo* Aug 11 11:35:15 yep, they've just offered an E7 instead Aug 11 11:35:37 take it Aug 11 11:35:40 lupine_85, and have you tried turning them down stating that it can't do this and that? :) Aug 11 11:35:53 yep Aug 11 11:35:58 they're now talking to their manager Aug 11 11:36:12 I pointed out that with £500, I could buy a new N900 from amazon Aug 11 11:36:28 why dyou need £500? you can get new n900's for <£300 Aug 11 11:36:37 the warranty says replacement Aug 11 11:36:44 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002OB49SW/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new Aug 11 11:36:50 they dont have any equivalent models so Aug 11 11:36:54 those are replacements, if nokia can't offer me a suitably refurbished N900 Aug 11 11:37:11 they wrote the warranty, not me. I'm just holding them to it Aug 11 11:37:13 the warranty says they can give you an alternative if they cant reasonably supply a device the same Aug 11 11:37:19 itd take a n950 sans aegis tho :) Aug 11 11:37:19 not the one I've read Aug 11 11:37:22 lupine_85: N900 is as close to Debian you will ever get. N9 is a really nice device but further away from desktop Linux. Aug 11 11:37:24 nid0, which one are you reading ? Aug 11 11:37:38 * lupine_85 is under http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/repair/european-limited-warranty as far as he can tell Aug 11 11:38:21 and all that says is "repairing or, should Nokia in its discretion deem it necessary, replacing the Product in accordance with this Limited Warranty" Aug 11 11:38:30 I don't think you can get N950 as a replacement N900. If that were the case I'm sure a fair few N900 owners would be somewhat quite happy to break their N900 just to get N950 Aug 11 11:38:47 hmm I misread :/ Aug 11 11:39:26 an N950 would be a suitable replacement Aug 11 11:39:41 but they're not releasing the N9 in the UK, so I wouldn't expect an N950 either Aug 11 11:39:44 but a literal impossible fulfilment :) Aug 11 11:39:57 I'm not asking anything impossible of them Aug 11 11:40:13 whats wrong with yours? Aug 11 11:40:30 n950 is not being sold ever Aug 11 11:40:37 no I meant to get N950 :) they weren't for sale and only certain sets of people obtained their N950 Aug 11 11:41:45 Gh0sty, it was doing the "communications error" thing Aug 11 11:42:03 where it disables the 3G & GPRS radios, etc Aug 11 11:43:42 hmm read about that, not really seen it myself Aug 11 11:43:56 it's really broken then? :/ Aug 11 11:43:57 If N950 enter market it may ship similar units as of N900... Aug 11 11:44:06 it wont. Aug 11 11:44:08 cause there was talks that it was rather provider bound or something? Aug 11 11:44:17 but then it never did, the N950 Aug 11 11:44:19 really really broken Aug 11 11:44:22 How many N900 was sold? 50,000? Aug 11 11:44:41 partially regret ever buying it :( Aug 11 11:45:08 lupine_85, there were some mods some people did on t.m.o, one bloke bend his pins and made it work I think Aug 11 11:45:09 its a nice device but not supported anymore, no sufficient warranty anymore etc Aug 11 11:45:24 and I bought it in the UK cause here in belgium it was nearly impossible to buy :/ Aug 11 11:46:12 psycho_oreos, mm, but I paid £500 for this device and it came with a 2 year warranty Aug 11 11:46:19 should start an N900 repair shop :P Aug 11 11:46:31 Gh0sty, heh welcome to maemo, one of the Nokia's many projects that they have sunk their money in but only for a brief period amount of time before they just got impatient and decided to look for a new toy :) Aug 11 11:46:43 "you can bend some pins (invalidating the warranty) to get it working again" is not a sensible piece of advice Aug 11 11:46:48 im happy I bought mine through cpw, they still sell them so obviously have replacement stock Aug 11 11:47:06 Gh0sty: tons of N900 refurbish in China to purchase under ￥900 Aug 11 11:47:17 I know I know ... read a lot of stuff on maemo forums as to why nokia completly fucked up their whole business :( Aug 11 11:47:32 i bought mine from amazon when they were $350....i see now they're selling them for $500 Aug 11 11:47:35 lupine_85, true but the thing is that you're stuck without your N900 and you would still need to source another N900 if Nokia still refuses to fix your N900 or even give you a replacement N900 Aug 11 11:47:52 bought mine for around 500 euro Aug 11 11:49:13 My old N900 is under contract, my newly acquired N900 (sadly its second hand) I paid around AUD$300 Aug 11 11:49:28 Gh0sty: its dear :S. now you can buy another one for 100 euro from China. Aug 11 11:49:46 psycho_oreos: its much cheaper now Aug 11 11:49:53 though there's a chance you may get fake ones Aug 11 11:50:02 well new employer is giving me a phone Aug 11 11:50:09 psycho_oreos: I bought for $220 2 month ago... Aug 11 11:50:13 so probably going to only use it as internet tablet Aug 11 11:50:18 back to the start :) Aug 11 11:50:30 probably put a 3G only card in it, so no calling ... Aug 11 11:50:33 psycho_oreos: then 2 weeks later, the normal price on ebay dropped to $180 Aug 11 11:50:58 jiero, heh I bought my second N900 when I was in HK actually. I'm quite skeptical of doing online purchases when dealing with a fairly large wad of cash (imo) so I decided to demo the device prior to buying it. Aug 11 11:51:44 psycho_oreos: I bought via gumtree :D Aug 11 11:52:20 psycho_oreos: $300 is not a lot... but in HongKong you may spend $360 for a brand new one... Aug 11 11:52:54 jiero, hopefully you have a nice hw revision :) I'm only basing my belief that hw revision 2101 has microUSB problems. Both my N900 have hw revision 2204 Aug 11 11:53:37 jiero, had me old man and his mate to do the bargaining but yeah I had to pay a little more than $300, I can't quite remember the exact amount however Aug 11 11:53:41 psycho_oreos: how do you know my hw revision ？ Aug 11 11:53:52 jiero, I don't :) I just hope Aug 11 11:54:18 as in I hope you didn't get hw revision 2101 Aug 11 11:54:24 psycho_oreos: where can you see that number? Aug 11 11:54:42 psycho_oreos: ok, this is first time I know there is something called "hw revision" :D Aug 11 11:54:44 Gh0sty, various ways, R&D mode, cat /proc/cpuinfo, etc Aug 11 11:54:48 psycho_oreos, no, they have my N900 - probably in finland somewhere - and have sent back an E8 Aug 11 11:54:50 erm, N89 Aug 11 11:54:53 N8* Aug 11 11:55:26 lupine_85, ewww, but again you're pretty much stuck without your N900 though Aug 11 11:55:30 if they had sent back £500 in cash, I could get a brand new N900 shipped to me from the US or HK in less time than it took them to send me an N8 Aug 11 11:55:45 so this is what I'm insisting upon with them Aug 11 11:55:50 2101 :/ Aug 11 11:55:57 psycho_oreos: thanks, its 2204 Aug 11 11:56:06 jiero, its not new though :) there was a huge thread, now various other small threads are starting to appear of people complaining microUSB problems Aug 11 11:56:27 as far as I can tell, an N8 or an E7 is a breach of contract, so if they insist upon that, I'll file on the small claims court Aug 11 11:56:54 Gh0sty, I'm not saying that I know for certain, I'm just assuming, because when the unfortunate owners of broken microUSB ports asked. I asked them which hw revision they had, I think all of them reported 2101 Aug 11 11:56:58 if they ignore that, I win. If they defend it, I will or they will win - probably me, given the wording of the contract Aug 11 11:57:14 psycho_oreos: my microusb plug bent already~ Aug 11 11:57:18 is the n8 new? Aug 11 11:57:23 or is it also a refurb? Aug 11 11:57:29 lupine_85, though you that means you need to fork out some money to take them the court as well imo Aug 11 11:58:01 psycho_oreos: do you know 仙剑奇侠传 ? Aug 11 11:58:05 jiero, you mean the port? Aug 11 11:58:10 jiero, nope :/ Aug 11 11:58:43 my Chinese read/write comprehension is poorer than speaking/listening lol.. lemme google translate that Aug 11 11:59:15 psycho_oreos: yeah, the port - I dragged my n900 off table. ok. nvm the Chinese word. Aug 11 11:59:21 psycho_oreos, like £20 or so Aug 11 11:59:28 hee, I've been fobbed off to the care line now Aug 11 11:59:50 this is going to be a fun explanation Aug 11 12:01:23 jiero, ouch, they're not completely foolproof :) I guess you're somewhat lucky that the port got bent instead of broken off :) As for the Chinese word I google translated it just because I'm curious. The translation comes up as paladin. Not too sure what that could mean Aug 11 12:01:47 lupine_85, ahh that's not too bad, I thought it'd be more than that, i.e. legal fees, lawyer fees, etc Aug 11 12:02:17 mine has its fixed stand built with lego! :P Aug 11 12:02:24 and the wires run behind the desk :) Aug 11 12:02:26 psycho_oreos: its Name of a popular Chinese RPG Game, only in Chinese, so you must not played it before. Aug 11 12:02:50 build my cellphone stands always with lego Aug 11 12:03:02 if you buy new phone ... it's rebuilding time :P Aug 11 12:03:08 jiero, heh I hardly play games online, let alone games in different language. Aug 11 12:04:17 Gh0sty, there was a bloke selling metal stands for N900, don't know if he still is selling them, but that might be an alternative. I hardly use my stand, so mine hasn't broken off/gone bad yet :) Aug 11 12:05:16 jiero, online games imo these days are becoming way too addictive that one can literally wrap their lives around it. You don't need to look further than games like WoW for instance ;) Aug 11 12:05:27 psycho_oreos: Bullshit. Aug 11 12:05:39 SpeedEvil, what? huh? Aug 11 12:05:44 * SpeedEvil lost large slices of the late 80s-90s to muds. Aug 11 12:05:45