**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 15 02:59:57 2011 Aug 15 06:56:17 ugh Aug 15 06:56:27 what is the harmattan/n9/n950 channel again? Aug 15 06:57:31 also, Mornin' everbody! o/ Aug 15 06:59:21 mece: #harmattan? :) Aug 15 06:59:44 and mornin \o Aug 15 07:00:57 not #harmattan Aug 15 07:01:03 at least that one is empty Aug 15 07:01:06 wait.. Aug 15 07:01:29 grr Aug 15 07:03:53 it isn't empty.. i'm there too Aug 15 08:06:29 i sure hope there's no problem here Aug 15 08:07:11 powertop on my device says state C0, ratio 3.1%, frequency 1150MHz Aug 15 08:07:39 You've set your max speed to 1150mhz? Aug 15 08:07:43 i haven't overclocked, and am on PK47. Aug 15 08:08:07 Open up Conky(install it if needed), and do something, quickly switch back to it Aug 15 08:08:16 watch the 'frequency' bit Aug 15 08:08:29 That way you can see what speed it's currently at Aug 15 08:09:34 sure. lemme do that just now. in the meantime, i see the column is definitely different from http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powertop Aug 15 08:11:41 Oh, well... Aug 15 08:11:41 there's no other way to check besides conky? (it needs to download 2MB and i don't presently have the means to do so) Aug 15 08:11:46 actually, that's normal Aug 15 08:11:56 Just checked my own, with PK and a OC up to 1ghz Aug 15 08:12:00 it still shows 1.15ghz Aug 15 08:12:51 but i haven't OC'd, and if i have, inadveterntly, i would like to go back to stock clock rate Aug 15 08:12:55 Which, in a way, is true - the maximum frequency *is* 1.15ghz on PK... it's just limited to less than that by the governer, IIRC Aug 15 08:13:07 ah, ok :) Aug 15 08:13:53 Also, more than likely, if you *did* just let it go up to 1.15ghz, it'd crash almost immediately due to too low voltage, so... Aug 15 08:18:39 cat /proc/cpuinfo says BogoMIPS 249.96. i feel safe then Aug 15 08:19:42 bogomips are bogus Aug 15 08:19:50 that's where the name comes from Aug 15 08:20:58 lol :P i'll install conky when i have better access Aug 15 08:32:12 im wanted to design a new theme, so i went here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 but i dont know which file i should download. Aug 15 08:40:15 Great. /home has just given up the ghost for me :( Aug 15 08:41:19 still consume much power, does the PowerKernel consuming more power? Aug 15 08:41:56 hahahahaha Aug 15 08:42:31 haha? Aug 15 08:43:13 i don't know jiero. but personally haven't noticed anything unusual. my n900 been up for 46 hours now, cellmo enabled, and 39% battery now Aug 15 08:43:34 the kernel power consume much power Aug 15 08:43:54 powerkernel i mean Aug 15 08:44:29 afaik no, it doesn't Aug 15 08:45:07 maybe OC :/ Aug 15 08:46:20 No, I didn't, but it cannot make up 1 half day, every 8 hours it use 20%, with wifi enabled. Aug 15 08:48:02 when did you install PK? Aug 15 08:51:52 TimmyT: i think get ThemeMaker. it looks to me like nuvofre is a sample theme. i could be wrong Aug 15 08:52:20 Here's what you do: Open up Htop(install if needed). Tap on the "time" column. If any application has used over 1 hour of time, kill it Aug 15 08:52:55 It means something's malfunctioning. I personally have to kill hildon-desktop every week or so due to it taking loads Aug 15 08:53:24 Sicelo: yeah it seems, i've downloaded that, but couldn't install that on my debian, it says it is looking for hildon-blah-blah but can't find that, Aug 15 08:54:22 i wonder if that's not in one of the .jars at the bottom of the page Aug 15 08:54:32 let me download too. :) Aug 15 08:55:23 hildon-desktop use 1.3 percent, and Xorg use 3.2. Aug 15 08:55:32 im going to design some new theme, one may be kde oxygen, but im not sure Aug 15 08:55:47 Can I have GNOME3 theme? Aug 15 08:56:36 jiero: you asked me this? Aug 15 08:57:03 TIMMY! Aug 15 08:57:15 TimmyT: yes:D Aug 15 08:57:51 TimmyT: especially the emotion ones, hope to see them in chat. Aug 15 08:58:07 jiero: hmm, dunnu, didn't work with gnome 3 before, but, maybe :D Aug 15 08:58:11 No, click the 'time' column Aug 15 08:58:36 you're looking for total processing time, not instantanius use. Aug 15 08:59:15 * Sicelo wonders if killing pulse will not have bad consequences Aug 15 09:05:15 on mine, it's /usr/bin/Xorg that has used up 11 hours of cpu time. what do u think? Aug 15 09:09:00 Kill it Aug 15 09:09:04 it'll restart Aug 15 09:09:12 and or reboot the machine Aug 15 09:09:38 kill it with 9! Aug 15 09:09:53 runs fine on mine TimmyT. i'm on Debian Squeeze. nice how helping out enlightens you. i tried this theme thing many times and got stuck :P Aug 15 09:09:56 sure robbiethe1st Aug 15 09:13:05 oh gosh! restart. i was trying to see how long my battey would last me. lol Aug 15 09:14:23 That's odd. /home looked very toasted. Reflashed, everything seems OK. Aug 15 09:14:31 (as in errors in dmesg) Aug 15 09:14:46 Now doing a fill-it-up write test. Aug 15 09:15:42 any of you have had issues with the microSDHC port on N900? i.e. mouting/reading issues? I'm sort of hoping that in the worst case scenario, my microSDHC port is screwed but again I highly doubt it. Aug 15 09:16:47 Define "issues" Aug 15 09:18:13 loads of buffer errors for instance. The card cannot be mounted for r/w and even after running fsck it fails to mount properly Aug 15 09:18:57 Pull the card out, plug into USB adaptor Aug 15 09:19:01 repeat tests Aug 15 09:19:31 Yeah, suspect the card before the connector / N900. Aug 15 09:20:02 Especially if it's a knock-off. Which are very hard to protect yourself against. Aug 15 09:21:54 robbiethe1st, repeated test, similar result. The only difference is that the card reader changes the size of the disk from its original capacity to something that is roughly 12 times its original capacity and then back. During the size of newly detected capacity, the contents are not readable though it is possible to still format the card Aug 15 09:22:09 Fried card then Aug 15 09:22:43 I've checked after purchasing the card to see if its a knock-off with F3, The results came back negative (i.e the card is geniuine). Aug 15 09:23:26 hmm :| I don't trust my card reader as well. The card reader came as a bonus when one purchases the microSDHC card Aug 15 09:23:54 apart from that I guess I really don't have much other ways to check apart from trying the exact same card in my otehr N900 Aug 15 09:24:02 s/otehr/other/ Aug 15 09:25:25 Great. emmc is holey. Aug 15 09:25:36 holey? Aug 15 09:25:41 I would trust the fact that two readers are both considering it 'bad' Aug 15 09:25:53 just because it's genuine doesn't mean it didn't fail Aug 15 09:27:08 true, but I'd be damned if its actually gone bad. Such a short usage and the card goes crap is a little beyond belief, *sigh* guess I may have to contact the supplier (afterall it's claimed to have lifetime warranty) Aug 15 09:29:00 Yea, I'd do that. I've had flash memory simply die on me more than once Aug 15 09:29:26 And remember that the first few days is the *most* likely time for it to fail Aug 15 09:29:33 thanks guys for the input, I'm going to give this card one more whirl with the other N900 before claiming RMA. Also going to try out the other card as well Aug 15 09:30:05 after it's worked fine for a week, it'll keep working fine for months or years typically. This applies to most all electronics as well as other complex devices Aug 15 09:30:08 bah :/ hate it when it has to happen... hope I won't have the other same spec card failing as well Aug 15 09:30:18 Likely not Aug 15 09:31:41 * psycho_oreos is shocked to be frank :| very much in the phase of denial Aug 15 09:33:40 I found a iPhone 3D engine opensourced, GPL, don't know if somebody interested in dEngine GPLv3 Aug 15 09:43:04 robbiethe1st, nope, exact same result with the other card (same specs, same brand, just different serial numbers if anything). I have had suspicions with the bonus microSDHC -> USB device. Hopefully that will become the case as I test my original bad card in the other N900 (running mkfs.ext2 on the card itself) Aug 15 09:43:25 Maby. Aug 15 09:43:46 Of course, you could have an incompatible brand/model of card or something? Aug 15 09:44:35 it was working fine with FAT32 (the first card did, the second one was hardly used), then I got a little annoyed with FAT32 Aug 15 09:46:29 Well... Aug 15 09:46:55 I do know that some cards prefer fat so they can do empty-block deallocation etc. Aug 15 09:47:20 and that would piss me right off :/ Aug 15 09:48:03 would you happen to have a list of those prick-of-a-thing devices? fyi I'm using topram 32GB class 10 microSDHC Aug 15 09:49:14 No clue Aug 15 09:49:33 I've got an 8GB Sandisk one, but I'm still running fat32 Aug 15 09:49:59 Hi. I'm new to maemo or meego, thinking to get a N900. I'm long time linux professional using gentoo and like to customize. People there say Andro.. is the only linux mobile os at the time. Hm, my question, will there still be an active meego in 2 years? I like the N900 platform for its keyboard. Aug 15 09:50:32 maemo is dead, meego is somewhat uncertain with lots of touch-and-go at this point in time. Aug 15 09:50:50 Yea Aug 15 09:50:54 maemo isn't dead community-wise but it is dead in the eyes of nokia imo Aug 15 09:51:06 Which it has been for at least a year if not two Aug 15 09:51:09 psycho_oreos: I see, I read about it. When will Meego be official? So far it is a dev version for those interested? Aug 15 09:51:23 Never will be 'official' as in Nokia-supported Aug 15 09:51:36 yup, what robbiethe1st said Aug 15 09:51:43 apart from N9, that's about it really Aug 15 09:52:13 Which doesn't have meego either. Just a bastardized hybrid of Meego and Maemo Aug 15 09:52:17 I don't need thousands of Andro.. apps. I like the GTK and Qt support of Meego. I was developping Qt myself on 3 and 4. Aug 15 09:52:27 So it's pretty much Android if you want Linux. Aug 15 09:52:46 Mo: Maemo will do the exact same things Aug 15 09:53:15 You can pretty much just take your GTK/QT apps, repackage them and use on Meego. of course, hardware support's a bit different Aug 15 09:53:34 But stuff that only uses, say, Python and Qt... easily portable Aug 15 09:53:44 well according to nokia's website N9 will feature meego 1.2. It won't be like N950 with harmattan (which is a hybrid of both) Aug 15 09:53:59 Heck, the same code'll run on your desktop in the case of Python. Aug 15 09:54:01 psycho_oreos: Meego 1.2 Harmattan Aug 15 09:54:18 Mo: bought my first N900 a month ago. i'd rather suffer with it than any android :P Aug 15 09:54:19 *slaps self in forehead* exact same as N950 then Aug 15 09:54:29 yep :) Aug 15 09:54:48 Yea. N900's great. Especially if you OC and are willing to take the chance of it failing sooner or later... Aug 15 09:54:51 Where will Meego go? I'm not worried that it will never be Nokia official, I trust in community driven projects. But will there be updates, new browsers and kernels for Meego? Who does work for it currently, also Intel? Aug 15 09:55:16 Intel's behind it. Nokia's getting out of it, thanks to Mr. Shill elop Aug 15 09:55:19 wasn't toshiba release a netbook with meego? I don't even know whether will that be a bastardised version like nokia's case lol Aug 15 09:55:23 robbiethe1st: So I could have KMail and Kontakt suite on it? :) Aug 15 09:55:50 Actually, maby. If nothing else, you can run it in a chroot without issue Aug 15 09:56:15 If it's a C++ app, you'd need to recompile for Maemo, seeing as the dependancies are different Aug 15 09:56:32 meego was a joint venture between nokia and intel, nokia pulled out, leaving intel as the primary stakeholder in the whole meego project more or less Aug 15 09:56:34 so I verified the mysterious indicator LED failure in free air and sun as well Aug 15 09:56:39 WTF?? Aug 15 09:56:39 Anyway, if there will be new hardware for Meego, then Meego would go on and also the N900 would benefit. Aug 15 09:57:29 N900 wouldn't benefit, in fact N900 running meego currently isn't fully supported. I'm presuming lots of things were made compatible if anything Aug 15 09:57:47 psycho_oreos: Ok, interesting. But Intel does not produce mobiles. It seems at the moment it is quite unsure who culd produce next generation Meego devices? Aug 15 09:58:14 There's plenty of OEMs who can do it to spec Aug 15 09:58:29 Like what aeva's doing for them as a prototype reference device Aug 15 09:58:32 Mo, intel doesn't directly produces mobiles correct, but they were pushing (and I'm sure they still are) pushing moorestown onto mobile devices Aug 15 09:58:42 psycho_oreos: Ok, I thought N900 would be the main platform for the (not-ready) Meego? You would recommend staying with Maemo so far if I'd get a N900? Aug 15 09:58:58 Mo: You can always dual-boot Aug 15 09:59:07 Aava mobile for instance used intel moorestown in their rather expensive developer's phone Aug 15 09:59:12 But I'd keep Maemo handy, cause it's still good Aug 15 10:00:08 As for the N900, this is not Intel but ARM? Aug 15 10:00:10 Mo, well it isn't really the main platform as such though I'm sure lots of meego-arm devs would be wanting to make meego a community-driven effort to be pushed onto N900 after how nokia pretty much abandoned us Aug 15 10:00:18 correct Aug 15 10:00:33 Yes. a TI ARM proc, running at 600mhz stocl Aug 15 10:01:17 "community-driven effort to be pushed onto N900" would mean developping software for a dead hardware since N900 is not produced anymore? Aug 15 10:01:36 Basically, yes. Aug 15 10:01:43 and plus like I said, meego still lacks things that maemo normally provides. Albeit meego is more open, it still requires people to port things and make it all work. nitdroid (android on NIT) you can say in colloquial terms is somewhat also in the same shoes Aug 15 10:01:49 Anyway I was able to find some N900 on ebay.de but no N810 or N800 at all. Aug 15 10:03:11 Ok, development around Maemo is still living, there are main updates for kernels, browsers, and main apps? I'll see what a N900 would cost me.. Aug 15 10:03:50 Yes. Aug 15 10:04:27 main updates = community updates only Aug 15 10:04:42 And remember, one big feature of it is the ability to run a stock Debian(or ubuntu) chroot, complete with LXDE easily. So you can install anything in the Debian ARM repositories Aug 15 10:04:53 You can even use OpenOffice! Aug 15 10:05:02 or iceweasel Aug 15 10:05:04 ;) Aug 15 10:08:56 browser is not open source ... Aug 15 10:08:59 seems Aug 15 10:09:17 the engine is, UI isn't I think Aug 15 10:09:18 robbiethe1st: I want libreoffice Aug 15 10:09:53 psycho_oreos: is there an alternative desktop ? or is it possible? Aug 15 10:10:10 and no, under maemo, not everything is opensource. There were indication points noted that maemo is still very much proprietary in many respects Aug 15 10:10:25 jiero, define `desktop' Aug 15 10:10:53 psycho_oreos: Desktop Environment like KDE/GNOME/Hildon Aug 15 10:11:02 psycho_oreos: or window manage Aug 15 10:11:08 window manager Aug 15 10:11:59 jiero, it is possible under chroot environment. If you're daring you can try booting into a different distro + its own little wm/de of your choice. I don't know about replacing matchbox UI however Aug 15 10:13:14 plus I really don't see any benefit in running any other wm/de when the first two you choices you mentioned are _excessively_ bloated. They won't do anything more than hogging CPU cycles and wasting your time Aug 15 10:14:25 psycho_oreos: thanks. I hope there is a N9 UI clone:D Aug 15 10:14:40 jiero, only time will tell Aug 15 10:15:08 psycho_oreos: time tell nothing if nobody use :D Aug 15 10:15:46 jiero, nope, time then tells that swipe UI wasn't popular and therefore never got adopted, unlike maemo's case with cordia Aug 15 10:16:32 psycho_oreos: in that case, alternative needed for more UI options. Aug 15 10:18:24 jiero, there aren't that many alternatives when you have to consider the amout of work required to make everything run smoothly for the end user. The points I covered above are if anything scraping the tip of the iceberg. All the finger gestures and what not has to work in a fashion that's acceptable and that's not going to fall out from the sky for any wm/de you slap onto your handheld Aug 15 10:19:36 the only living reality that exists now is cordia, that is to port fremantle's UI into meego/harmattan framework. Aug 15 10:20:19 s/framework/core/ Aug 15 10:20:53 psycho_oreos: yeah, lots of work. Looking like the same... this reminds me html5 for GNOME3... Aug 15 10:22:26 jiero, if things were made easier then such ramifications are essentially redundant :) you can't please everyone so you may as well please yourself by adopting something that you like rather than trying to put every wm/de that is floating on the cyberspace. Aug 15 10:24:19 mwkn.net >> Warning: readfile(../../2011/33/.name) [function.readfile]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/andrew/src/mwkn/resources/MWKN.php on line 22 Aug 15 10:25:00 psycho_oreos: I will dive into html5 to make my desktop if necessary:D Aug 15 10:53:44 Is there a 30 minute timeout on rcS-late? Aug 15 10:53:59 Some sort of watchdog... Aug 15 10:56:43 eh? Aug 15 10:57:22 Dibblah: why? how? Aug 15 10:58:49 I'm trying to run badblocks from in there. Aug 15 10:58:58 And am getting periodic reboots. Aug 15 10:58:58 mhm Aug 15 10:59:06 after 30min?? Aug 15 10:59:17 Or so. Haven't timed it. Aug 15 10:59:17 there's a 60s hw watchdog Aug 15 10:59:29 No, it's not hitting that. Aug 15 11:00:02 there's a 32min timer in bq24150 charger chip that will tear down emergency charging Aug 15 11:00:10 if bme got not started Aug 15 11:00:26 but that shouldn't result in reboots Aug 15 11:00:32 see Aug 15 11:00:39 ~flatbatrecover Aug 15 11:00:47 dang!! Aug 15 11:01:17 It's annoying that the eMMC is such a small ball-pitch. Aug 15 11:01:35 infobot dead? Aug 15 11:02:06 Dibblah: why? Aug 15 11:02:46 Because I have a faulty eMMC and would like to replace it with a microsd socket. Aug 15 11:02:55 aah Aug 15 11:03:13 daunting job Aug 15 11:03:14 robbiethe1st: Oh interesting. I could run a chroot Debian and use all the ARM repo? But as for the kernel I still need the Maemo support? I can't just use a vanilla kernel or debian kernel? Aug 15 11:03:22 the HW IF is different Aug 15 11:04:31 I _could_ technically just move /home onto the SD card. Aug 15 11:05:10 But if one partition on the eMMC is giving errors, the likelyhood is high that it's just run out of spare blocks. Aug 15 11:11:39 Hmm. It's getting pretty warm. I wonder if that's the issue :) Aug 15 11:17:01 have you overclocked? Aug 15 11:21:04 so anybody able to contribute to gathering info/hypothesis about that "indicator LED getting greenish/all_off in sunlight" issue? I experienced it on my TWO devices, regularly Aug 15 11:21:50 fsckng annoying Aug 15 11:22:25 the bright green "charged" gets all dim and random-flickery Aug 15 11:22:37 breathing light fails completely Aug 15 11:22:53 same does the yellow charging flashlight Aug 15 11:23:27 hmm never happend to me Aug 15 11:23:30 I wonder if that's mce's fault, or an internal effect of LP5523 Aug 15 11:23:59 Cor-Ai: same here, just encountered it every morning in my tent, on CCCamp Aug 15 11:24:20 so first question: how to reproduce? Aug 15 11:24:37 in a controlled technical environment Aug 15 11:24:47 go out and camp? Aug 15 11:24:54 :p Aug 15 11:25:05 60W incandescent lamp, 50cm distance, 60min heating time? maybe? Aug 15 11:26:04 don't got the numbers in my head but somting like that sounds fair! Aug 15 11:26:32 for now I tend to blame the internal temeprature compemsation in LP5523 Aug 15 11:26:47 dang Aug 15 11:26:57 for now I tend to blame the internal temperature compensation in LP5523 Aug 15 11:27:06 still? Aug 15 11:27:18 no, recovered completely Aug 15 11:27:52 hehe well, back to work, glhf! Aug 15 11:28:27 while "in the field" (literally) it was almost impossible to get it to recover. I almost thought LED broke Aug 15 11:37:32 ~ping Aug 15 11:38:26 * Cor-Ai <3 short working sessions Aug 15 11:38:50 DocScrutinizer, what happened to infobot? Aug 15 11:39:07 [2011-08-15 08:14:38] [Notify] apt ist offline (irc.freenode.org). Aug 15 11:39:09 [2011-08-15 08:15:24] [Notify] infobot ist offline (irc.freenode.org). Aug 15 11:39:14 ah. Aug 15 11:39:30 dunno, trying to get a hold on Tim to restart it on his server Aug 15 11:39:57 I can talk to ibot, but not to the server when ibot is dead Aug 15 11:39:57 DocScrutinizer, can I ask you something? Aug 15 11:40:06 no? ;-P Aug 15 11:40:11 why not? :P Aug 15 11:40:12 ooh you already did Aug 15 11:40:26 what do you think about this hype around telepathy? Aug 15 11:40:39 pfffrrrt Aug 15 11:40:44 djszapi and some other guy was furious that I didn't use telepathy in my IRC client for Harmattan Aug 15 11:40:56 I asked them what concrete advantages would it give me if I used it Aug 15 11:41:02 but they couldn't list any. Aug 15 11:41:03 indeed Aug 15 11:41:28 this was the biggest reasoning: Aug 15 11:41:30 [12:26] also, it is sponsored by two big companies, not a leisure time stuff Aug 15 11:41:32 ... Aug 15 11:41:39 it's the hype of the week, to use backends like telepathy, mafw, foobardoodle Aug 15 11:42:57 My take on this: if you want sth to be done *correctly*, do it yourself. If you want a low effort approach that's exactly as good and also as buggy as everybody else's is, use a backend Aug 15 11:43:02 then the other guy started to tell me how nice it is that gnome-shell gives popups when someting arrives from telepathy. Aug 15 11:43:25 I told him, no gnome-shell in Harmattan, so wtf. Aug 15 11:44:02 I do use a backend. first hit at http://www.google.hu/search?q=qt+irc+library Aug 15 11:44:17 but for some reason, they think that it's not good enough compared to their precious telepathy... Aug 15 11:44:33 "for some reason" means that they couldn't give me any reasonable reasons Aug 15 11:45:04 djszapi told me that using telepathy would result in my app's settings shown in the accounts app (which I couldn't care less about, but could add it without telepathy) Aug 15 11:45:11 and that's about it. Aug 15 11:45:56 using libraries already in a system is good idea just because somebody else takes care of them Aug 15 11:46:05 mafw a good example: everybody using it, nobody got seamless/gapless mp3 playback, nobody got a mp3 decoder that actually implements a equalizer though that's a ridiculously simple function if you implement it directly to the mp3 decoding converter Aug 15 11:46:32 jacekowski, well someone packaged libircclient-qt and it works. that's all there is to it. Aug 15 11:47:05 for telepathy all the same objections and rationale apply Aug 15 11:48:08 libsofiasip (or what it'S called right now) seems doesn't support direct_IP2IP SIP, so no SIP client on N900 can do it Aug 15 11:49:14 X-Fade, are you here? Aug 15 11:50:46 AND telepathy is so complex I couldn't even start to do sth about additional functions like generic blocking/replacing of (number of) outgoing calls (aka dialplan), or adding direct_IP2IP SIP Aug 15 11:51:02 hi Pali :-) Aug 15 11:51:14 hello Aug 15 11:51:51 DocScrutinizer, yeah, exactly my thinking... :) Aug 15 11:53:50 on the other hand, the author of the lib I'm using is a friendly guy to whom I can make suggestions and stuff Aug 15 11:54:12 google buys motorla! Aug 15 11:54:30 MUHAHAHAHA topic mp3 player: I selected "add all to playlist" for albums view in stock MP3 media player (show all albums of B-52, "menu: add all to playlist") Result: all songs of all records were mixed up in a pseudo random manner, sorting them *alphabetically* WTFLOLMUHAHA Aug 15 11:54:43 <_berto_> Breaking: Google Buys ‘Android Partner’ Motorola For $12.5 Billion Aug 15 11:55:44 errr WUT?? whole Moto or just the andridiot division? Aug 15 11:55:54 http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html Aug 15 11:56:51 <_berto_> whole motorola mobility apparently Aug 15 11:57:13 (media player) so first were 3 versions of the song "52 girls" from 3 different records, followed by "6060842" from a forth record Aug 15 11:58:26 Reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems I see there is also Gentoo in a chroot? Did anyone try? Then there is Nitdroid. Is there any reason to run this as main OS if you like the N900? Aug 15 11:58:33 for the one developer implementing this particular functon in this way into media player, I'm all for waterboarding ;-P Aug 15 11:59:11 Larry Page's blog suggests that patent issues are one reason for the purchase. I bet this is so Google can fight MS over mobile patents as a vendor. Aug 15 12:01:59 Well, *hopefully* this will mean open bootloaders Aug 15 12:05:04 f*cking google. Aug 15 12:05:19 * mece doesn't like google. Infact he despises google Aug 15 12:05:42 mece: What's your reasons? Aug 15 12:06:00 I... don't like Android, or Chrome really... But I do think Google's generally on the 'good' side. Aug 15 12:06:17 Especially compared to how locked-down Motorola devices are currently Aug 15 12:08:07 * zash isn't a fan of advertising Aug 15 12:08:54 That is true. But I haven't seen any Google popups/unders, and I'm far more fond of the Google text ads than most other ads Aug 15 12:09:45 I hate frigging animated, flash ads with sound, so I block those. I'm willing to put up with text ads, and static images, but... Aug 15 12:11:27 zash, I have a general disliking for companies that have their filthy fingers in everything. Google is the everythingest. Aug 15 12:11:57 mece: +1 Aug 15 12:12:04 I don't disagree with that Aug 15 12:12:48 I like some of the separate google services, but I hate the integration and connection between them. I hate that the track me on everything I do. I hate that I have to log out and delete cookies after I've checked my mail to feel ok about it. Aug 15 12:12:48 lol you use "google +1" for agreeing :) Aug 15 12:13:11 robbiethe1st: advertising. annoying ads are just a part of that Aug 15 12:13:14 +1 is older than google. google stole that, the fackers Aug 15 12:13:19 ^^ Aug 15 12:13:36 Well, I'd prefer some advertising than being charged for every little thing Aug 15 12:13:43 Mainly because I don't have any money :\ Aug 15 12:15:17 ...Y'know, that'd be interesting. Google, having a huge amount of ads everywhere, could probably offer an "ads free" plan for a couple of dollars per month, that would remove/replace-with-blank all Google ads on all sites so long as you're logged into your Google account Aug 15 12:16:13 the "we want to know everything about you so we can manipulate you into buying stuff you don't want or need" :/ Aug 15 12:16:45 Theoretically, true. But if you've got more than an ounce of self-control, I don't see it. Aug 15 12:17:05 I've been ignoring advertising for years, along with everyone else who watches TV etc. Aug 15 12:17:09 http://gitorious.org/sas <-- in case anyone cares Aug 15 12:20:10 ruskie, hehe Aug 15 12:20:27 DocScrutinizer: do you know what this file doing? /dev/twl4030-adc Aug 15 12:29:54 moin Aug 15 12:30:04 is it possible to flash NOLO? Aug 15 12:30:36 my device keeps bootlooping before it shows the R&D infos Aug 15 12:31:30 Pali: aiui it's an ioctl interface to GAIA/twl4030 ADC, which comprises things like battery temp sensor (GAIA:H4, ADCIN0, BTEMP, schematics p.4), ECI_AD (audio AV accessory detection? GAIA:G3, ADCIN2) Aug 15 12:31:32 etc Aug 15 12:31:37 Hi all Aug 15 12:32:12 does anybody have access to http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums ? Aug 15 12:32:30 CaCO3, acces how? Aug 15 12:32:33 playya_: yes, it is possible to flash NOLO, but usually not what you want to do Aug 15 12:32:39 s/acces/access/ Aug 15 12:32:39 I try to log in, but always get this message: There is no content to display on this link or it has restricted access. Aug 15 12:32:55 playya_: ...as you rarely ever destroy NOLO Aug 15 12:33:09 CaCO3, same here. Aug 15 12:33:17 I guess I do not have the right access rights Aug 15 12:33:19 DocScrutinizer, yes Aug 15 12:33:21 playya_: if you did, it won't bot up at all, hw side. So no display will show up at all Aug 15 12:33:25 sosomething is brocken :( Aug 15 12:33:55 is there any wiki page which describes all stages and how to check if it is working? Aug 15 12:34:04 not really Aug 15 12:34:13 DocScrutinizer, hm. is djszapi sane at all? he suggests using telepathy. when I ask about the advantages, he tells none. he suggests a feature, when I ask him about details, he tells none. Aug 15 12:34:15 mece: Thanks, at least now I know its not my fault :) Aug 15 12:34:17 flashing NOLO is also caled coldflash Aug 15 12:34:37 DocScrutinizer: I was debugging getbootstate binary and tried to patch open source harmattan getbootstate for n900. Now it may working, code here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/getbootstate.c Aug 15 12:34:39 Venemo: don't ask me Aug 15 12:34:40 hmm. ok Aug 15 12:34:59 meh Aug 15 12:35:02 But I did not understand what this code doing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/getbootstate.c#L220 Aug 15 12:35:23 he comes from the same country as me, so I felt sympathetic to him... but that is dimishing now. meh. Aug 15 12:35:35 What is BSI? (it is readed from /dev/twl4030-adc) Aug 15 12:35:37 playya_: but beware, what you see in display isn'T a realtime status display, during boot Aug 15 12:35:49 Pali: Batery Size Indicator Aug 15 12:36:09 Pali: the third pin of your battery Aug 15 12:36:28 shall be 100kR always, on BL-5J Aug 15 12:36:43 yes. but if it doesn't show the R&D info on the screen it should stop booting in NOLO Aug 15 12:37:32 playya_: where's the spec saying this? Aug 15 12:38:00 no spec. it just think it's done before kernel boot Aug 15 12:38:20 I debugged from getbootstate binary what getbootstate doing with BSI, see: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/getbootstate.c#L582 Aug 15 12:38:56 Normal battery is BSI between 280 and 568 Aug 15 12:38:58 playya_: boting - with all the options - is a complex process. It's really hard to put simple statements like that one Aug 15 12:39:16 Pali: yep Aug 15 12:39:30 and what this number means? Aug 15 12:39:59 Pali: some resistance as seen on BSI pin of battery connector Aug 15 12:40:43 you'd have to study twl4030 datasheet and circuit from schematics to convert it to a true Ohm value Aug 15 12:40:59 or do some tests with nown resistance Aug 15 12:41:04 known* Aug 15 12:42:04 thanks Aug 15 12:42:28 Pali: there are also test batteries and R&D batteries which both have different value on BSI than "normal" BL-5J Aug 15 12:43:04 other than that BSI is mostly useless, a mere "battery inserted or not?" test basicaly Aug 15 12:43:45 Yes, I know that, I get this info when I was debugging binary getbootstate in qemu, and it wrote me TEST and SERVICE battery too (see source code) Aug 15 12:44:40 playya_: when "NOKIA" gets displayed on screen this means NOLO got loaded and executed. If device bootloops then, this may have several reasons, like kernel not ok, modules not matching kernel, rootfs borked, whatnot else Aug 15 12:45:23 Pali: aaah, yes. trst and service, not test and r&d Aug 15 12:45:44 does NOLO check for kernel <-> modules compability? Aug 15 12:45:56 Battery size indicator means full designed capacity of battery? Aug 15 12:46:01 no, kernel simply panics when modules don't match Aug 15 12:46:26 Pali: it's not even clear if that means "size" or "status" Aug 15 12:47:18 Pali: I don't think there's a simple and correct and generally accepted algo to convert BSI resistance value to designed_capacity Aug 15 12:47:49 ok Aug 15 12:47:49 some battery types even use BSI with a PTC or NTC to determine cell temperature Aug 15 12:48:35 so while the basic concept is always the same, the particular operation mode is platform specific Aug 15 12:49:27 I *know* original BL-5J have 100.0kR on BSI Aug 15 12:50:09 ShadowJK could contribute resistance of BSI on mugen, though it's bogus and even a NTC iirc Aug 15 12:50:50 Pali: ask Nokia how BSI is *supposed* to be handled ;-D Aug 15 12:50:57 I found some BSI info on: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME Aug 15 12:51:17 hmm, prolly with lots of edits by me in history Aug 15 12:51:48 I asked people of getbootstate binary, but they told me that thay do not know... Aug 15 12:53:24 LOL Aug 15 12:54:11 so the " 280 and 568" stanca was planted into their mind during sleep my the Lord? Aug 15 12:54:32 s/my /by / Aug 15 12:55:46 When I was trying to change value (from ioctl) in qemu this is result Aug 15 12:58:45 there *has* to be some Nokia 'paper' saying >>BSI: 100kR==original Nokia BL-5J. Not supposed to change value, no temperature coefficient aka NTC/PTC<< or >>BSI: PTC in battery with 100kR@25°C<< or >>BSI: designed_capacity. Algo: R * 3.14 + 4711 = mAh<< Aug 15 13:02:38 or even a decicion tree, like: if (R==100000) then original_bl5j=true; else if ((R > 101588) and (R <138000)) then cpacity = R * 3.14 + 4711; else if (R < 99000) then battemp = R * 0.25 + 271; fi; fi; fi Aug 15 13:02:43 Mhmmm Aug 15 13:02:50 Google is buying Motorola Mobility Aug 15 13:03:03 $12.5b Aug 15 13:03:24 <_berto_> yes, and all other companies are very happy about it: http://www.google.com/press/motorola/quotes/ Aug 15 13:03:32 SO, every mobile platform manufacturer is going to play Apple now? Aug 15 13:03:49 Why wouldn't they? Aug 15 13:04:01 Samsungabsent from the list of quotes Aug 15 13:04:16 derf: Because it is futile to compete with a religious cult? Aug 15 13:04:33 Nonsense. The world is full of competing religious cults. Aug 15 13:04:56 derf: But the green trashcan does not inspire a cult, does it? Aug 15 13:05:17 Depends on who's doing the preaching. Aug 15 13:05:24 <_berto_> last time I checked Android was the best-selling smartphone platform worldwide Aug 15 13:05:30 derf: not really Aug 15 13:05:54 derf: you can preach the divinity of a door knob, does not necessarily mean anyone will listen Aug 15 13:06:35 They will if you're good. Aug 15 13:06:50 derf:know any good google preachers? Aug 15 13:06:57 And, more likely, they will if they think it's in their interest to listen. Aug 15 13:07:34 nah Aug 15 13:07:36 a moment Aug 15 13:08:00 derf: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/04/android_wheres_the_profit/ Aug 15 13:08:44 Anyway, Google certainly has no Jobs, but Jobs only really emerged as a popular icon _after_ Apple managed to resuscitate itself. Aug 15 13:08:56 derf:wrong again Aug 15 13:09:09 derf:people were jerking off at Jobs for years Aug 15 13:09:17 starting with Macintosh at least Aug 15 13:09:24 Not in enough numbers to matter. Aug 15 13:09:38 well... mm... in sufficient numbers Aug 15 13:11:02 If they haven't let Jobs go in the first place, we might be living in a completely different tech world nowadays Aug 15 13:11:33 There would probably be more ponies Aug 15 13:11:34 and rainbows. Aug 15 13:11:41 And cake. Aug 15 13:11:45 RST38h: Well, old Apple was going bankrupt under Jobs Aug 15 13:11:57 derf: On the other hand, don't you feel that all this tech crap is quickly becoming irrelevant, compared to the *real* changes that are going to hit us all? Aug 15 13:12:28 RST38h: You been watching too much X-Men? ;-) Aug 15 13:12:30 RST38h: I think we've still got a couple fo decades. Aug 15 13:12:36 *of Aug 15 13:12:55 RST38h, either we're all completed fucked or things will get better. Aug 15 13:12:59 derf: that I am not sure about Aug 15 13:13:26 GAN: currently, I do not see how they can get better Aug 15 13:13:54 GAN: I do see several different scenarios of how they will get worse though Aug 15 13:14:03 RST38h, things've been worse in the past. Aug 15 13:15:37 GAN: Who cares about the past? Yes, far enough in the past lots of our predecessors were indentured servants, or slaves, or (for some at least) served in british royal navy, for Tentacled's sake Aug 15 13:16:22 Point being a decline into endless shit isn't inevitable Aug 15 13:16:37 GAN: won't be endless Aug 15 13:16:47 It just looks very likely given how well public schooling has done its job. Aug 15 13:16:52 GAN: Well, for some it will be, but not for all Aug 15 13:18:16 But, as long as it is long en Aug 15 13:18:20 ough... Aug 15 13:19:23 allo everyone Aug 15 13:19:39 some might recall that my N900 broke, I sent it off to nokia for a repair, they sent me back an N8 Aug 15 13:19:45 they are now sending me an N900 Aug 15 13:20:04 bottom line: if they try to fob you off, don't take no for an answer :) Aug 15 13:23:01 good morning Aug 15 13:27:39 So has anyone actually soldered the USB port back into place and was successful? Aug 15 13:30:49 lupine_85: nice Aug 15 13:31:58 lupine_85: is there already a talk on tmo, or - even better - a wiki page on maemo wiki, about all the repair experiences and what Nokia offered to do/not to do? Aug 15 13:32:36 dunno. It doesn't matter, anyway Aug 15 13:32:58 under the terms of the warranty they offer (2 years in the EU), they have a certain minimum level of obligation Aug 15 13:33:31 even that level of obligation might not meet their statutory requirements under the '99 EU directive Aug 15 13:33:45 Sure it matters. Aug 15 13:34:07 stubbornly repeating "it's not a replacement" and "I'll use the small claims court if you don't comply" is all the advice required Aug 15 13:34:42 Small claims court risks getting a judge that goes 'you're being offered a mobile phone in compensation, go away' Aug 15 13:34:45 don't accept an N8, or an E7, not even to sell it to buy something else Aug 15 13:35:03 SpeedEvil, if you bought a washer-drier that turned out to be faulty and you were offered a washing machine as a replacement, it would not be accepted Aug 15 13:35:03 hello all, does anyone here use meego community edition on N900? Aug 15 13:35:24 the legislation is pretty clear on what 'replacement' means Aug 15 13:35:52 * javispedro reads now about the google/motorola thing Aug 15 13:35:58 WTF. Aug 15 13:36:00 lupine_85: Sure - and that makes no difference at all if the judge has a servant to do that for them, and doesn't actually understand what a washing machine does. Aug 15 13:36:17 I'd never send in my n900. I wouldn't see it again I think. Aug 15 13:36:22 Or it would take months Aug 15 13:36:27 SpeedEvil, course it does. this is the whole point of courts Aug 15 13:36:34 javispedro, I for one welcome our new Google overlords. Soon they will buy everyone out. Aug 15 13:36:38 if so, does the N900 handset UX have an available file manager? Aug 15 13:36:46 (apart from terminal)? Aug 15 13:36:48 Shapeshifter, it's taken 3 weeks and I had to threaten legal action, but it's worked out Aug 15 13:37:00 lupine_85: I'm pretty handy with the soldering iron. Aug 15 13:37:01 lupine_85: How quaint. You believe that courts always give the correct verdict. Aug 15 13:37:33 not always, but for something this clear-cut they can't get it wrong Aug 15 13:37:51 and if they do, you're left with the remedy nokia originally suggested Aug 15 13:37:58 my warranty has run out anywaay. Aug 15 13:38:10 * SpeedEvil may be biased, as he's spent the past 3-4 weeks reading appeal decisions of the upper tribunal for benefits appeals. Aug 15 13:39:14 small claims courts are very straightforward Aug 15 13:39:23 Indeed. Aug 15 13:39:26 I know. Aug 15 13:39:36 you take in a copy of the advertising that mentions mameo, and show that the new phone doesn't have it, and tell them that's the reason you bought the phone Aug 15 13:39:57 Termana: so Motorola makes a comment about "enforcing" their possiblyAndroid patents and Google answers by buying them out? Aug 15 13:40:46 if it ever gets that far Aug 15 13:41:02 as the nokia representative told me: "you're completely in the right and I'm not going to try to argue it" Aug 15 13:41:19 lupine_85: as I said, giving you an N8 is a goodwill move. Aug 15 13:41:22 no it isn't Aug 15 13:41:24 pat_plus: A) wrong channel, and B) meego/harm has a policy of "there's no visible filesystem" Aug 15 13:41:28 for them it is. Aug 15 13:41:30 lupine_85: Sorry I'm jaded - I've been reading thousands of pages in preparation ofr my appeal. Aug 15 13:41:52 javispedro, no, it doesn't meet their minimum requirements under the law Aug 15 13:42:13 for the average customer it does and wonderfully Aug 15 13:42:26 what, for the average N900 customer ? Aug 15 13:42:34 yes Aug 15 13:42:36 I rather suspect not Aug 15 13:42:45 In any case, this doesn't really answer my question :> Aug 15 13:42:56 lupine_85: you'd be surprised. Aug 15 13:42:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 this seems to have worked. Aug 15 13:43:00 Shapeshifter: It depends. Aug 15 13:43:06 I read quite a few threads before I sent it off to nokia care with people getting back an N8 and being rather disgruntled Aug 15 13:43:08 pat_plus: you may want to /join #harmattan Aug 15 13:43:12 Shapeshifter: It varies from a simple repair, to a really ratehr complex one. Aug 15 13:43:15 anyway, if it's a replacement for you, great Aug 15 13:43:21 * javispedro sighs Aug 15 13:43:25 if you don't consider it a replacement, don't accept it as one Aug 15 13:43:33 Shapeshifter: Do you have a pic of the USB port attach area? Aug 15 13:43:37 and you will get an N900 instead Aug 15 13:43:40 lupine_85: I am not saying _FOR ME_, I'm saying Nokia thinks it is. Standard practice. Newer model replaces older model. Aug 15 13:43:40 pat_plus: ooops, meegoCE, that's #meego-arm then Aug 15 13:43:54 Thanks DocScrutinizer Aug 15 13:43:55 javispedro, newer model in the same line replaces older model in the same line Aug 15 13:44:03 pat_plus: yw, np Aug 15 13:44:11 lupine_85: and exactly as I said, if you make a quick comment about how it is not that way for you, then they quickly change it, but making you wait. Aug 15 13:44:11 SpeedEvil: really? It seems like the board is usually undamaged. I can just buy a new micro usb socket at a store and attach it? Well, mine's not broken yet but I wonder if it's starting to get lose and if I should preemptively glue/solder it to the board or wait until it comes off. Aug 15 13:44:13 a washing machine can never be a replacement for a washer-dryer unless you never use the dryer functionality Aug 15 13:44:15 lupine_85: *N* series Aug 15 13:44:25 lupine_85: that's all the Nokia Care employee knows about Aug 15 13:44:33 javispedro, yes, they're completely different model lines though Aug 15 13:45:24 Shapeshifter: The pads can be physically ripped off the board. Aug 15 13:45:35 Shapeshifter: If this has happened, it gets much more complex to repair. Aug 15 13:45:57 Shapeshifter: If it's still working, in principle, it's pretty simple to repair. Aug 15 13:46:08 As the pads at the back are still connected. Aug 15 13:46:17 lupine_85: anyway it is definitely useful to have all the case studies and the number of actual N900 repairs/replacements aggregated somewhere Aug 15 13:46:24 as well as your advice Aug 15 13:48:10 it'll certainly start to get interesting following the expiration of the 2 year warranty Aug 15 13:48:31 (nokia's legal obligations don't end at that point, it all just becomes somewhat less clear-cut) Aug 15 13:51:06 * lupine_85 is glad he lives somewhere with more than half-arsed consumer protection laws Aug 15 13:51:37 if the USB socket falls out at three years, they'll be repairing it for free for me Aug 15 13:51:53 which is just as well, since I'm *terrible* at soldering Aug 15 13:56:54 SpeedEvil: mhh. And what about what that guy did in this post? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 as he didn't attach the port to the pads but to some components directly.. Aug 15 13:57:47 Not needed, if it works at the moment Aug 15 13:57:58 As all of the pads are still there Aug 15 13:58:11 http://i.imgur.com/H4lcN.jpg :D Aug 15 13:58:49 If you look at the full image, you can see the 'brown' looking areas - these are where pads have been ripped physically off the board, and you have bare board with no copper. Aug 15 13:59:02 :) Aug 15 13:59:27 ahh Aug 15 14:01:21 So you need to connect back to other bits if they are ripped off, as ... Aug 15 14:01:39 shoddy soldering there i can see Aug 15 14:02:02 hmm, i've written that sentence backwards pretty much Aug 15 14:02:09 jacekowski: yoda? Aug 15 14:02:49 Shapeshifter: that's the way recommended when the pads came off Aug 15 14:03:09 * DocScrutinizer kicks infobot's server box.... HARD Aug 15 14:12:06 * lupine_85 sticks it on the forum, anyroad Aug 15 14:12:18 somewhat less ephemeral than IRC Aug 15 14:22:15 my maemo says full memory and phone is fucked:) have been reading about it and its noo good? Aug 15 14:22:36 sell it and buy iphone :) Aug 15 14:22:59 ~flashing Aug 15 14:23:01 following http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware; if i want to completely flash my n900, i need to first do 'flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f', followed by 'flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R'. is this correct? Aug 15 14:23:06 If you can't be bothered to debug Aug 15 14:24:15 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Aug 15 14:24:28 ups Aug 15 14:25:15 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Aug 15 14:26:16 how to delete a folder and all files in it? Aug 15 14:28:25 rm -rf Aug 15 14:28:44 be absolutely sure you want to do it though Aug 15 14:29:16 no recycle bin :P Aug 15 15:00:32 Nido: yes Aug 15 15:01:58 Nido: if the first part doesn't work (I.E. stalls or sth), the do B A B sequence, flashing 2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM two times, first and last Aug 15 15:02:04 then* Aug 15 15:03:37 sigh Aug 15 15:03:44 ?? Aug 15 15:03:47 2 people with the same name on the same network = akward Aug 15 15:07:26 duel to the death! Aug 15 15:10:35 kerio: Now that's a good way to enforce global uniqueness Aug 15 15:10:55 kerio: I wonder if it would work for "decentralized" DNS Aug 15 15:15:49 I need some DBus gurus, well one anyway Aug 15 15:16:23 I'm invoking a DBus method and my application tries to start again even if one is already running, is this normal behaviour? Aug 15 15:16:55 i.e. does my app need to check whether it's the primary instance and then forward the call, or is there something messed up Aug 15 15:17:12 lardman: your app needs to take ownership of that name Aug 15 15:17:32 so that dbus knows "hey, someone already grabbed this name, I don't need to launch anyone anymore" Aug 15 15:17:39 javispedro: yes it has ownership of the name Aug 15 15:17:49 then it should work :S Aug 15 15:17:58 ok, so I've messed up somewhere, cool Aug 15 15:18:26 ah, typo in Q_CLASSINFO() might explain it Aug 15 15:18:54 it appears that dashes are not allowed in interface names Aug 15 15:19:03 or at least if they are present it doesn't work Aug 15 15:22:03 hmm, that doesn't seem to have solved it Aug 15 15:22:58 if the app isn't running it is started, but if it is DBus moans about a dead child process exiting Aug 15 15:23:12 which is fine, as that should happen if it tries to re-register with DBus Aug 15 15:23:28 the question is really why the method isn't invoked on the running process, rather than starting a new one Aug 15 15:23:33 or trying to anyway Aug 15 15:25:19 hmm, might be another typo (had to change names to get rid of the dash)... Aug 15 15:25:24 * lardman rebuilds Aug 15 15:28:14 lardman: you can use dbus-monitor to see what names it tries to register Aug 15 15:28:38 javispedro: looks like it was the second typo that knackered it after all Aug 15 15:28:57 dbus-monitor doesn't see method calls though afaict Aug 15 15:29:15 not for --system Aug 15 15:29:18 but it does for --session Aug 15 15:29:22 I'm on --session Aug 15 15:29:29 then use --session --type=method_call Aug 15 15:29:32 and it should work Aug 15 15:29:34 ah ok Aug 15 15:29:49 unless there's something new in aegis that broke it .... :P Aug 15 15:31:02 I've not tried adding that, will have a look Aug 15 15:31:17 atm I'm seeing that my method call has the wrong number of params, so that's a good sign Aug 15 15:31:39 it has taken an awfully long time to work out what was wrong Aug 15 15:31:46 - the dashes Aug 15 15:39:38 phew, all working at last Aug 15 15:54:56 \o/ Aug 15 16:17:51 Grid, huh. Aug 15 16:19:22 Shapeshifter: brownout? Aug 15 16:20:40 you can close and open clusters, man. Aug 15 18:13:38 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 15 18:53:02 DocScrutinizer: thanks Aug 15 18:53:24 Nido: what for? Aug 15 18:53:35 the advice on the flashing earlier Aug 15 18:53:43 umm Aug 15 18:54:08 aah Aug 15 18:54:11 yw Aug 15 18:54:13 it was at 16:58, it is not 20:51, so it was a while ago Aug 15 18:54:33 so I gather it worked? Aug 15 18:55:02 nid0: say, were you at CCC camp, and if so, were you at the Hxx barbecue? Aug 15 18:55:22 me? no Aug 15 18:55:23 ??? Aug 15 18:55:30 * DocScrutinizer was, though Aug 15 18:55:41 DocScrutinizer: not yet, still making my backup Aug 15 18:56:21 nid0: somebody else has used my registration as 'nido' at the barbecue. probably someone who scanned the guest list, but it would be funny if an actual nido took that spot Aug 15 18:57:34 yer wasnt me :) Aug 15 18:57:36 DocScrutinizer: I was there too. spent most of my time at the hxx square, mate salespoint and the HoaP. Aug 15 18:57:48 :-D Aug 15 18:58:25 where were you at? I met so many new people I don't remember most of it Aug 15 18:58:56 Nido: here and there - and maerchenwald Aug 15 18:59:33 though I dropped by the HXX tent several times, to get some small wires to fix my sunglasses etc Aug 15 18:59:50 the free hardware box in there was mine Aug 15 18:59:50 have a look at the lasercutter engine Aug 15 18:59:57 aaah Aug 15 19:00:08 where was the maerchenwald Aug 15 19:00:28 left of err kourou? (left bunker) Aug 15 19:01:03 the place with the xenon neamer and mirrorball in the trees Aug 15 19:01:10 beamer Aug 15 19:01:10 thats near the family village and the infodesk? Aug 15 19:01:29 somewhat Aug 15 19:01:56 the tents on the lawn, with all the sofas with hackers Aug 15 19:02:07 huge tents roofs Aug 15 19:02:16 and bars Aug 15 19:03:11 with a bar? sounds like trockendock; only found out about that the last day. met a german there who wanted to practice his dutch Aug 15 19:03:25 nono, not trockendock, way more central Aug 15 19:03:50 did they have the burger and pizza sale there? Aug 15 19:03:59 between left lecture bunker and pizza/burger Aug 15 19:04:05 yep Aug 15 19:04:45 yea. Spent some time there as well. At one moment it was the only place within 20km to get mate Aug 15 19:04:54 hehe Aug 15 19:07:06 i have stored alot of files in /home is that why my memory is full and n900 fucked? so if i delete the folders it will be ok? Aug 15 19:08:11 I figured since i had it logged on the wireless network all the time, it would probably be a good idea to fully flash the device. There's still a bit of leftovers from the previous owner and some experiments, so I figure starting with a clean system isn't a bad idea anyway Aug 15 19:08:25 mabye the files Triscar0. you don't want to delete a needed directory by mistake Aug 15 19:09:23 i know what folders to delete, then its no problem? Aug 15 19:09:35 i have added them myself Aug 15 19:12:54 unfortunately i'm no expert here Triscar0 Aug 15 19:13:41 what do u get from df -h / Aug 15 19:15:57 me? Aug 15 19:16:46 61% use Aug 15 19:16:47 hi! nobody takes care about the repositories? i am posting bugreports, write emails, nobody answers! Aug 15 19:17:25 but have 100% on many other places Aug 15 19:17:36 is repository down? Aug 15 19:18:22 no. a wrong package version went to extras. it is not installable. i reported this weeks ago. Aug 15 19:19:09 what is hapening to your N900 as a result Triscar0 Aug 15 19:19:36 ok, i cant find vlc and firefox in repository so something is wrong with my phone Aug 15 19:20:04 what do you mean sicelo? Aug 15 19:21:24 for now, i think, the repos are nothing more than an automated mess. nobody cares. Aug 15 19:22:43 is there a surrveilence app for n900 to view ip cams ? Aug 15 19:23:03 Triscar0: filled /home is a sufficient reason for device to act up Aug 15 19:24:11 ok then i know the problem;) Aug 15 19:24:12 Triscar0: you got 'only' 2GB of space on /home which includes /opt Aug 15 19:24:37 ok Aug 15 19:24:39 Does someone know if ffprobe is in one of the packages in th repos? Aug 15 19:25:11 * Sicelo makes a note of that.. about /home Aug 15 19:25:28 df -h /home Aug 15 19:26:02 i did that, its 100% full Aug 15 19:26:08 actually df -h, none of the main filesystems should exceed 95% filling Aug 15 19:26:51 i have 7 thats full;) Aug 15 19:26:54 isn't there any admin, who can clean this up? Aug 15 19:27:12 100% Aug 15 19:27:14 sometimes a " echo >/var/log/syslog" might be a good idea as well (if you installed syslog pkg) Aug 15 19:28:38 mase76: you're that admin ;-) Aug 15 19:30:48 no, keep serious! who does it? Aug 15 19:34:38 cant find out my lock code, bought my n900 used online and it was factory reset but the lock code is not 12345 and the guy i bought i from dont remember, cant find out how to write the jack the ripper command to crack the code scanning only for numbers Aug 15 19:36:19 Triscar0: reset your lockcode then Aug 15 19:36:41 as long as device isn't locked it's simple Aug 15 19:37:29 jacekowski made a pkg for that Aug 15 19:37:32 DocScrutinizer: I would be interrested in that as well, recovering the code wan't all that great Aug 15 19:37:34 iirc Aug 15 19:38:45 yer resetting the code from a non-locked device is well-documented on the forum as well Aug 15 19:38:56 dunno the pkg name, but you should find it somewhere in -devel I think Aug 15 19:41:09 thnx! im going to look that up. Aug 15 19:41:44 nice to be at work sitting on my ass while my welding robot do the job! ;) Aug 15 19:51:32 code_reset Aug 15 19:51:36 or code-reset Aug 15 19:51:41 i don't remember exactly Aug 15 21:01:16 i cant get in to /home with a usb cable? have to transfer the files over wifi to my computer? Aug 15 21:02:31 you cant directly as a mass storage device no Aug 15 21:02:47 you could tar them up under Mydocs too Aug 15 21:03:00 (and then transfer) Aug 15 21:03:11 or ssh Aug 15 21:03:25 18000 files :D Aug 15 21:03:39 no wonder why my phone dont have memory left Aug 15 21:03:58 Triscar0, how come so many files in /home Aug 15 21:04:01 and not in mydocs? Aug 15 21:05:12 it was an app that did it, i went a little fast and dident choose dir Aug 15 21:05:15 :D Aug 15 21:05:20 my english suck! Aug 15 21:20:37 if u know the app, maybe you could move the offending files to MyDocs, and point the app there. you might find you don't need to flash after that.. just a thought Aug 15 21:21:19 thats the plan, im moving the files to my computer, then im going to delete them. Aug 15 23:11:43 i have a little problem Aug 15 23:12:05 i am moving the rootfs to the eMMC ( i know there are performance implications ) Aug 15 23:13:15 the rootfs... Aug 15 23:13:17 good luck Aug 15 23:13:24 but from my custom initfs there is no /dev/mmcblk0p2 device file , what are the major and minor no's for it Aug 15 23:22:41 should we tell you that? Think about it, If you can't find it out yourself, how big are your chances to get it working...? But anyway: ls -l mmcblk0p2 Aug 15 23:22:41 brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 179, 2 Jan 1 1970 mmcblk0p2 Aug 15 23:23:28 i dont have my n900 running atm Aug 15 23:23:38 so i cant just look it up Aug 15 23:27:34 he wants to access it directly by major/minor device numbers, since he doesn't have a file created for it in /dev, at least with that name Aug 15 23:31:58 yes, so he can use mknod... Aug 15 23:37:03 mounting failed, no such device or address Aug 15 23:37:11 minor is 2 right Aug 15 23:37:34 mknod /dev/mmcblk0p2 179 2 Aug 15 23:39:30 Are you doing this in an initrd? Aug 15 23:40:19 well, im making a small "root" filesystem Aug 15 23:40:43 that will mount and switch to the eMMC Aug 15 23:48:30 ah, forgot to load the modules for mmc Aug 16 00:07:21 that will always get you Aug 16 00:07:22 :) Aug 16 00:17:03 why does init "think" i want to change runlevel when i want it to boot the system Aug 16 00:20:29 what would make 'My Nokia" show up in settings though NotMyNokia pkg got installed and so far did a good job to hide it? Aug 16 00:29:57 fixed it , didnt "exec" chroot Aug 16 02:11:55 I am trying to make a Maemo 5 app change its behavior when another app has focus. I thought I could use focus-in-event and focus-out-event to signal when to change behaviors, but I get those events when my app's menu is selected and released. Is there a way of distinguishing between your app losing focus because another app has it, and your app losing focus because its menu is being selected? Aug 16 02:14:03 Ken-Young, you want to use WindowActivate and WindowDeactivate events Aug 16 02:15:38 Venemo_N950, Thanks! I'll look into those. Aug 16 02:16:13 Venemo_N950, Are those part of gtk? Aug 16 02:16:28 Ken-Young, omg... I was thinking Qt Aug 16 02:16:42 Zut, I'm not using Qt. Aug 16 02:16:44 I haven't the slightest idea about Gtk, sorry Aug 16 02:16:52 Thanks anyway. Aug 16 02:17:01 :0 Aug 16 02:17:04 sorry Aug 16 02:22:51 It looks like I get a window-state-event when my app loses focus, but not when the app's menu is pulled down, so I might be able to use that. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 16 02:59:57 2011