**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2011 Aug 22 04:36:06 can anyone help me sort out usb modnem mode - I have followed the guide, installed the kernel upgrade and iptable and configured masquerading - but still no connection :( Aug 22 04:39:57 GeneralAntilles: MohammadAG: Barnes&Noble has touchpads Aug 22 04:40:03 and with this I leave Aug 22 04:40:42 no, I still need to finish hacking my nook color! Aug 22 04:40:45 heh Aug 22 04:40:47 * wmarone__ resists Aug 22 04:40:59 seems that B&N is overpricing them a bit Aug 22 04:41:14 I'd wait for tomorrow, and see what hp.com does. Aug 22 04:41:52 javispedro: sounds like a nokia scenario again ;) Aug 22 05:03:31 good morning Aug 22 05:43:24 is there any 3-way diff tool for maemo? Aug 22 05:50:29 Do you mean for text merging, specifically? Aug 22 05:51:14 yep Aug 22 05:54:10 I'm only really familiar with the 770/800/810. Are you using one of those? Aug 22 05:55:06 nm, building meld... maemo5. Aug 22 05:55:46 There's a diffmo package with diff3 for Fremantle in Extras-devel. Aug 22 06:08:15 http://maemo.org/packages/view/subversion/ last changelog entry is nice :) Aug 22 06:46:44 morning Aug 22 06:46:59 why can't I watch amazon instant video on my N900? Aug 22 06:47:06 can the N950 do it? Aug 22 06:47:30 does the N9 suopport flash 10? Aug 22 06:47:40 The n950 does not have flash. Aug 22 06:47:55 I don't think anyones broken the NDA as to what the n9 may hae. Aug 22 06:48:07 I would lke to say that nokia wouldn't consider releasing it without flash. Aug 22 06:48:09 But... Aug 22 06:48:26 well it has flashplayer.so Aug 22 06:48:36 It does? Aug 22 06:48:36 assuming the N9 does have flash 10 Aug 22 06:48:47 can this be the reason to upgrade? Aug 22 06:48:49 SpeedEvil, well it's for playing movies Aug 22 06:49:01 SpeedEvil, or perhaps I'm confused. Aug 22 06:49:32 I see no flashplayer.so on the n950 filesystem Aug 22 06:50:29 you're right. I was confused. Aug 22 06:50:37 It should have some sort of accelerated graphics Aug 22 06:50:54 like iPhone? Aug 22 06:50:54 maybe a dsp to play video? Aug 22 06:51:00 well it doesn't have flash Aug 22 06:51:19 it plays flash videos very smoothly in the video player though. Aug 22 06:51:43 SpeedEvil, umm I hate to go offtopic but curiously.. how the hell did you get your hands on N950 when you were initially accepted into the dev team? Do they actually `rotate' the developers that are in the dev program? Aug 22 06:52:11 s/were/weren't/ Aug 22 06:52:13 psycho_oreos meant: SpeedEvil, umm I hate to go offtopic but curiously.. how the hell did you get your hands on N950 when you weren't initially accepted into the dev team? Do they actually `rotate' the developers that are in the dev program? Aug 22 06:52:21 I was successful in my application to the program for the second round of dev devices Aug 22 06:52:28 ahh Aug 22 06:52:39 so you did make it in -_- Aug 22 06:52:47 Yes. Aug 22 06:55:59 community gave back some little bit of the support SpeedEvil gave Aug 22 07:02:31 holy shit;; I just added the extras-devel repo Aug 22 07:02:40 then I ignored a bunch of updates (hit the Ignore button) Aug 22 07:02:49 and it wiped *all* my app catalogues out O_O Aug 22 07:04:31 that shouldn't happen, but sometimes it may cause HAM to produce an error Aug 22 07:04:47 I'm so lost now Aug 22 07:04:49 :P Aug 22 07:04:57 hmm on second thoughts, I guess the `app catalogues' were wiped was probably because of an error Aug 22 07:05:47 normally when you have extras-devel enabled (mind you it is a huge repository), it can cause instability with HAM. You'll notice issues when you see the banner `Operation Failed' Aug 22 07:06:34 man, all I want is Bluetooth PAN to work Aug 22 07:06:42 I didn't expect this to turn into an all day affair :/ Aug 22 07:07:00 catalogues are back, wtf Aug 22 07:07:48 like I said :) you accepted the risk when you enabled extras-devel Aug 22 07:08:07 the pandora's box is left wide open to you Aug 22 07:08:11 wYAY Aug 22 07:13:09 grrr, I just need a bnep device! Aug 22 07:13:24 following this guy's directions like a dolt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 Aug 22 07:13:34 somehow the kmod is loaded, but no device is created Aug 22 07:13:36 rather odd IMO Aug 22 07:16:36 don't expect a large number of users following the talk you referred to. Unless you elaborate here, you won't see answers here Aug 22 07:17:27 yeah, I know Aug 22 07:17:45 I'm not sure how to properly characterize the problem either, other than "the device isn't where it's supposed to be" Aug 22 07:18:44 URL dropping is a good way to supply all the info for those already interested. It won't lure in anybody when he has to decide based on reading that talk if he can help and shall engage Aug 22 07:19:18 dropping the precise name of the device would probably help for example Aug 22 07:20:24 I did :) Aug 22 07:20:29 well, bnep0 Aug 22 07:20:43 ok, fair enough - no idea then Aug 22 07:20:48 in theory it's supplied by the pc-connectivity-manager package Aug 22 07:20:59 see, beter :-D Aug 22 07:21:02 better* Aug 22 07:21:45 the bnep.ko module is also loaded properly Aug 22 07:21:46 hm Aug 22 07:21:54 so you modprobed a module but the corresponding device didn't show up in /dev ? Aug 22 07:22:11 indeed Aug 22 07:22:29 tail /var/log/syslog Aug 22 07:22:44 heh, I think I have ~20 tabs open to maemo trying to get this bluetooth tethering to work Aug 22 07:23:14 uh, am I supposed to have a /var/log/syslog? Aug 22 07:23:16 also modinfo bnep.ko Aug 22 07:23:20 there's no /var/log/messages either Aug 22 07:23:32 if not, use dmesg|tail Aug 22 07:23:52 or install ksyslog :-D Aug 22 07:25:17 nothing interesting AFAICT in dmesg Aug 22 07:26:45 rtyler: bnep is a bluetooth related device, no? Aug 22 07:27:13 did you bother to *power up aka enable* general bluetooth hardware in settings? Aug 22 07:27:36 yeah, bluetooth is on Aug 22 07:27:40 hmm Aug 22 07:28:20 then aiui a device *.ko is supposed to create a /dev/* - or at very least something in /sys Aug 22 07:28:53 Or a network interface. Aug 22 07:29:03 I'd suggest to increase kernel logging verbosity Aug 22 07:29:16 yeah, or a network interface :-D Aug 22 07:30:19 alas I have to run now. See if you can find help from SpeedEvil or in man dmesg etc about increasing kernel loglevel Aug 22 07:31:01 I would suggest alt-sysrq-9 - but that is silly Aug 22 07:31:58 rtyler: does hcitool dev show any devices? Aug 22 07:32:15 yeah, hci0 Aug 22 07:32:40 Sorry - I've not done bnep Aug 22 07:33:10 I was hoping the DUN profile would allow my tablet to properly tether, but it looks like it has to be PAN Aug 22 07:33:38 why not just run one of the hotspot things? Aug 22 07:33:47 and get wifi connection? Aug 22 07:33:48 android doesn't support ad-hoc networks Aug 22 07:33:53 >_< Aug 22 07:34:44 DUN and PAN are completely different things Aug 22 07:34:46 here's a guy that has pretty much the same setup (android tablet and n900): http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1033612 Aug 22 07:35:29 while PAN is your "wlan for BT", DUN is "the 3G USB dongle attached via BT" Aug 22 07:36:01 yes, I'm aware. For some reason Android doesn't see the DUN profile come across in the pairing, which everything else on the internets led me to believe it would do Aug 22 07:38:31 what the crap Aug 22 07:38:34 I re-paired Aug 22 07:38:37 and not it appears to work Aug 22 07:38:48 rtyler: a start would be to share modinfo dnep output as suggested before by me Aug 22 07:40:27 is there something specific from the output that would be helpful? it is a bit of output and I am not sure how best to dump it off the device Aug 22 07:42:43 interesting Aug 22 07:42:52 so I repaired the n900 with the tablet Aug 22 07:43:06 and while bnep0 isn't listed with an `ifconfig` invokation Aug 22 07:43:22 invoking `ifconfig bnep0` does print out information for the device Aug 22 07:45:37 ifconfig alone shows u interfaces that are up. you can ifconfig -a to see all available interfaces Aug 22 07:50:49 HOLY CRAP Aug 22 07:50:52 I got it to work! Aug 22 07:51:04 Aug 22 07:51:16 apparently on the Android device, the timeout for the DHCP request is *tiny* Aug 22 07:51:56 wow Aug 22 07:53:32 DocScrutinizer: thanks for your patience Aug 22 08:18:18 I just wish we had a better calnder to the maemo Aug 22 08:18:28 someone said they used the kde calender Aug 22 08:22:32 cityLights, yes you can get kdepim on it... but it's slow as molasses Aug 22 08:24:08 I mean, I paied 25$ for a calnder on the palm Aug 22 08:24:25 i will be glad to pay 30$ for a maemo based calender Aug 22 08:25:10 rtyler: Great! Aug 22 08:25:15 rtyler: now fix the wiki. Aug 22 08:26:26 rtyler: yw, np Aug 22 08:28:29 cityLights: alas it seems neither Nokia nor subcontractors consider maemo(-fremantle) a platform where you even *could* sell software Aug 22 08:28:45 cityLights: see my rant about telepathy yesterday Aug 22 08:30:03 If you'd consider building a proper calendar for fremantle and you'd by any chance needed some help/advice from "the gurus" I bet they laugh at you and suggest you should switch to meego instead Aug 22 08:30:35 does meego have a good calender? Aug 22 08:30:55 probably not that much better than maemo's Aug 22 08:31:43 some sort of evolution.... Aug 22 08:32:19 but that's not the point in the end. The point is you are asking about help for a commercial product for maemo, and they suggest you should switch to a developers-only-meego instead Aug 22 08:33:03 well, I didnt get my n950 ... so Aug 22 08:33:14 but this product - is in need Aug 22 08:33:24 this cmes over like Nokia isn't interested in any commercial apps on maemo-fremantle Aug 22 08:33:36 btw,no rents about telepathy in http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-08-21.log.html Aug 22 08:33:56 too bad Aug 22 08:34:58 cityLights: [2011-08-20 16:53:44] If I ask for a function in telepathy, to build an app asked for by _end-users_ on fremantle, and I am utterly clear about that fact and ask collabora guys how I could possibly interface/intercept/patch telepathy to get it done, and the answer is "don't bother about maemo, do it on meego!" then that's *beeep*[censored] Aug 22 08:36:39 is there any way to control the n900 without the screen - this one is bust :( Aug 22 08:37:07 h-e-n + usb mouse Aug 22 08:37:11 jpinx_away, plug it into a tv with the av? Aug 22 08:37:20 or just ssh Aug 22 08:37:26 and AV of course Aug 22 08:37:28 vnc (albeit, rather slow) Aug 22 08:37:56 I'd like ssh butis need to config the usb0 don't I? Aug 22 08:38:04 no Aug 22 08:38:07 AV'd be your best bet Aug 22 08:38:12 alas hildon isn't built in a way you could *really* comletely control it by kbd shortcuts Aug 22 08:38:13 usb0 is if youw ant to use USB networking Aug 22 08:38:28 jpinx_away, plug it in and it should have usb networking already going Aug 22 08:38:35 unless you changed something Aug 22 08:38:38 psycho_oreos: yep - that would be good if I can ssh in Aug 22 08:38:45 and the key bindings isn't correct too via vnc Aug 22 08:39:14 psycho_oreos: what are you talking about? Aug 22 08:39:16 jpinx_away, there's two ways, using wireless or using maemo-dev-env Aug 22 08:39:18 ok - i need to go off again here and try ssh-ing more seriously ;) thanks guys :) Aug 22 08:39:29 I use usb cable Aug 22 08:39:54 chem|st, if I were to vnc into N900 and go into say console and what not. Typing some certain characters and what not doesn't work in my case Aug 22 08:39:55 jpinx_away: 70€ is a new lcd... Aug 22 08:40:06 jpinx_away: ssh over WLAN is WAY more convenient to set up - I.E. doesn't need any setup if you got sshd and wlan configured Aug 22 08:40:10 psycho_oreos: that is settings... Aug 22 08:40:19 moo chem|st Aug 22 08:40:22 what's the default IP on usb0? Aug 22 08:40:30 chem|st, :o guess I'll have to look at that Aug 22 08:40:34 192.168.2.15 iinm Aug 22 08:40:37 DocScrutinizer: without screen to start wlan...? Aug 22 08:40:43 psycho_oreos: ;) Aug 22 08:40:48 chem|st: not an option -- I am testing before buying ;) Aug 22 08:40:54 moo DocScrutinizer Aug 22 08:40:55 chem|st: my device doesn't need a screen to start wlyn Aug 22 08:40:58 is anyone here from italy? Aug 22 08:40:59 WLAN* Aug 22 08:41:07 testing blindfolded :p Aug 22 08:41:12 how convenient :) Aug 22 08:41:12 i some assistence Aug 22 08:41:26 jpinx_away, iface usb0 inet static \n address 192.168.2.14 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 for /etc/network/interfaces Aug 22 08:41:43 DocScrutinizer: I have radius at the back so nothing like autoconnect... Aug 22 08:41:51 heh Aug 22 08:42:01 ruskie: thanks :) Aug 22 08:42:05 well I know where to tap... Aug 22 08:42:06 jpinx_away, and you need: cdc_ether module loaded for usb0 on the desktop Aug 22 08:42:40 jpinx_away: DocScrutinizer's idea with TV as screen is the easy way... Aug 22 08:42:46 ruskie: latop is running debian . I should be able to ifconfig that Aug 22 08:42:49 yup Aug 22 08:43:00 chem|st: yep - if I had a TV ;) Aug 22 08:43:12 jpinx_away, actually with debian... jsut copy paste that into: /etc/network/interfaces and then ifup usb0 Aug 22 08:43:20 I have a composite vga converter... and no tv Aug 22 08:43:22 "if I had a hammer...." *singing* Aug 22 08:43:29 ruskie: yep ;) Aug 22 08:43:50 * jpinx_away is gone Aug 22 08:43:55 * DocScrutinizer stops singing, this song actually is fsckng stupid Aug 22 08:44:05 yo Aug 22 08:44:41 lol that's stupid.. you can't strace kernel strings Aug 22 08:44:50 s/strings/threads/ Aug 22 08:44:51 psycho_oreos meant: lol that's stupid.. you can't strace kernel threads Aug 22 08:44:52 err wut? Aug 22 08:44:55 I have decided to move the maps folder to /opt/maps Aug 22 08:45:01 I do this by: Aug 22 08:45:04 aah, no you can't Aug 22 08:45:26 mount --bind /opt/maps /home/user/MyDocs/.maps Aug 22 08:45:34 vi__, sounds fine Aug 22 08:45:40 It is Aug 22 08:45:43 it works great Aug 22 08:45:48 ...however Aug 22 08:45:50 hehe Aug 22 08:45:53 but not in initscrips... yayaya Aug 22 08:45:55 was waiting for that but Aug 22 08:46:03 setup an init script to do it for you Aug 22 08:46:09 or modify the one that mounts home to do so Aug 22 08:46:11 DocScrutinizer, I'm trying to find out why bridge-work-que is hogging the CPU every few seconds. Its a huge battery drain if I disconnect it off the charger for a few hours Aug 22 08:46:32 psycho_oreos: lol, tracker or thu,bnailer has gone bezerk Aug 22 08:46:52 psycho_oreos: check for broken thumbnails, restart and rebuild tracker DB Aug 22 08:46:53 bridge-work-queue ? what does that do? Aug 22 08:47:06 there was a bug thing created for bridge_work-que but that was for old firmware Aug 22 08:47:23 vi__, bah thumbnails, thanks I'll have to go look I suppose Aug 22 08:47:44 psycho_oreos: at least in every case where that has happened to me it has been the case Aug 22 08:48:00 ^case/occasion Aug 22 08:48:18 psycho_oreos: if you got problems of any kind, killing thumbnailerd and trackerd is always a good first step to aproach the issue Aug 22 08:48:23 vi__, heh its the exact same answer as that reported bug. I don't know how they found out it was thumbnailer *shrugs* ahh well Aug 22 08:48:28 what is the name of the init script that deals with mounts? Aug 22 08:48:51 DocScrutinizer, that's temporarily :) it'll respawn and starts the whole thing again Aug 22 08:48:53 preinit? Aug 22 08:49:19 psycho_oreos: yeah, you probably want to stop it, or sth Aug 22 08:49:20 wouldn't a bare fstab entry be enough at it is userland anyways? Aug 22 08:49:36 chem|st, fstab isn't supported on m5 Aug 22 08:49:41 vi__, I've personally never had much luck with setting binding mounts at boot. lcuk showed me the way with symlinking it and to me its a godsend Aug 22 08:49:51 ruskie: thought it is just not used Aug 22 08:49:54 unless you modify the init scripts Aug 22 08:49:59 chem|st, nope it gets regenerated on each boot Aug 22 08:50:03 either killall -SIGSTOP, or actually `stop trackerd` or sth Aug 22 08:50:05 DocScrutinizer, better yet.. find the culprit and get rid of it, problem is where :/ Aug 22 08:50:05 psycho_oreos: can symlink shit on f****g fat32 Aug 22 08:50:20 vi__, so stop using f.... vfat Aug 22 08:50:31 psycho_oreos: I said first step to approach the real culprit Aug 22 08:50:33 ruskie: ah that was with that "mount first vfat you find as MyDocs" crap Aug 22 08:50:37 vi__, ah you still have MyDocs as fat32, why not shove it inside /home|/opt? Aug 22 08:50:45 long time ago... Aug 22 08:50:59 psycho_oreos: thats is what I am doing! Aug 22 08:51:08 my init setup on the n900 actually supports fstab properly Aug 22 08:51:12 ruskie: HAHAHA Aug 22 08:51:18 psycho_oreos: however all programs use ...Mydocs/.maps as a common dumping ground for maps Aug 22 08:51:20 DocScrutinizer, ? Aug 22 08:52:08 ruskie: ""stop using VFAT"" - how's he supposed to do that? cmpletely rewrite the partitioning and some apps, or switching to another OS? Aug 22 08:52:25 DocScrutinizer, well killing it won't do much imo :) its now tethered to charger. So I guess while its charged and bridge_work-que is hogging %CPU every so often, I'm just going to find the culprit image/video/whatever, remove it and rebuild db Aug 22 08:52:37 DocScrutinizer, erm... it can be done Aug 22 08:52:53 sure, and it's for sure almost as easy as a bindmount Aug 22 08:53:17 a tad more involved... but the instructions are on the wiki and tmo Aug 22 08:53:24 DocScrutinizer: I would happily ditch fscking fat32, however I need to maintain backwartd compatability to 'lesser' OSes Aug 22 08:53:28 vi__, true and not only that the perms will somewhat be screwed up when it gets into /home|/opt. I guess the other thing is that it'll also make your .maps inaccessible if you set it to mass storage mode as well Aug 22 08:53:30 ruskie: that failed cos I can not select PCsuite mode on plugin by usb :( Aug 22 08:53:38 jpinx, you shouldn't need to Aug 22 08:54:15 in the laptop there was no usb0 interface on plugin Aug 22 08:54:27 jpinx, did you load the cdc_ether module? Aug 22 08:54:30 ifconfig failed :( Aug 22 08:54:32 on the laptop Aug 22 08:54:38 I thought about an EXT4 MyDocs but ultimatley decided it would be more flexable to make a 16GB /home|/opt and just move certain stuff there and use mount bind Aug 22 08:55:18 Unfortunatley I still have to deal with doze from time to time Aug 22 08:55:37 ruskie: I use my good n900 with this laptop all the time -- so it works Aug 22 08:55:44 * DocScrutinizer idly points at bug in camera (as of <= PR1.1?) where root created the DCIM dir (or sth similar) and then camera-ui borked when DCIM been on a non-VFAT fs as the permissions of camera-ui weren't sufficient for the directory to write to it :-P Aug 22 08:56:22 fucking hell nokia Aug 22 08:56:26 I am trying to test an n900 with brokewn screen before investing in it Aug 22 08:56:42 original bug report: "camera fails on ext3" Aug 22 08:56:44 jpinx: YOu know about composite out? Aug 22 08:56:45 I was looking at resizing /home|/opt from 2GB to 4GB but I couldn't find a single guide. Rather there was a guide on how to reverse the roles of /home|/opt and /home/user/MyDocs around: i.e. /home/user/MyDocs on 2GB and /home|/opt on 29GB Aug 22 08:56:57 SpeedEvil: no TV here Aug 22 08:57:14 psycho_oreos: you just modify emmc image Aug 22 08:57:16 DocScrutinizer, should be fixed, its a ownership + perms issue iirc Aug 22 08:57:21 psycho_oreos: and replace 2048 with 4096 in it Aug 22 08:57:23 psycho_oreos: sure Aug 22 08:57:34 psycho_oreos: mohammadag done that Aug 22 08:57:36 jacekowski, *scratches head* the firmware? Aug 22 08:57:53 psycho_oreos: no Aug 22 08:57:55 psycho_oreos: and yes it was about permissions, thought it was implicitly obvious from my description Aug 22 08:57:55 psycho_oreos: emmc image Aug 22 08:58:18 psycho_oreos: alternativley, install backup menu. Enable USB read/write mode. Use gparted for your nefarious schemes. Aug 22 08:58:19 psycho_oreos: firmware is in fiasco image and you have to flash that too later on Aug 22 08:58:33 ruskie: on plugin the usb, I thought you have to select PC Suite Mode ? Aug 22 08:58:39 DocScrutinizer, heh, wasn't paying close attention Aug 22 08:58:58 as far as I can tell this n900 has never been ssh'd before Aug 22 08:58:59 jacekowski, the vanilla image? that .bin blob? ;) Aug 22 08:59:04 psycho_oreos: there are similar issues where a directory or file is accessed under "file" and "File" and "FILE" Aug 22 08:59:10 psycho_oreos: yeah Aug 22 08:59:27 jpinx: yes.. if you have usb0 up once.. you can even use charging mode.. Aug 22 08:59:31 psycho_oreos: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 22 08:59:42 vi__, lol I'd avoid that personally, a bricked N900 (which I've just gone through) was not fun :) Aug 22 08:59:56 in beggining of the file there is something like Aug 22 08:59:57 partition { Aug 22 08:59:57 size = 3072; Aug 22 08:59:57 fs_type = "ext3"; Aug 22 09:00:07 get hex editor and change that to whatever you want Aug 22 09:00:12 then flash both images Aug 22 09:00:15 Sicelo: ok - what happens when its a virgin and the screen is borked? Aug 22 09:00:36 DocScrutinizer, yeah that's with caps issue, FAT* doesn't discriminate filenames with capital letters or not but not with *nix fs :) Aug 22 09:00:37 psycho_oreos: Well, It is how I do it. Right after a reflash, first thing. Re-size /opt with gparted. Aug 22 09:01:10 psycho_oreos: look at joerg_rw/tools wikipage. There you got a "howto" on resizing the /home partition Aug 22 09:01:12 vi__: why not flash it with image that has different size of that partition Aug 22 09:01:29 psycho_oreos: if you want i can modify the image for you Aug 22 09:01:31 jacekowski, interesting, I thought it was all jumbled.. ahh well its a bit too late now, I've taken on the route of converting my /home/user/MyDocs from FAT32 to ext3 Aug 22 09:01:39 psycho_oreos: along the line of what jacekowski suggested Aug 22 09:01:53 psycho_oreos: you don't really want to do that Aug 22 09:02:13 jacekowski, its ok :) thanks. I think it'll be somewhat a pain to almost redo my setup again :) Aug 22 09:02:32 DocScrutinizer, I'll take a look, maybe I can do that on my spare N900 Aug 22 09:02:49 BTW, CSSU camera-ui replacement fixes saving to FS bug. Aug 22 09:02:53 psycho_oreos: you'll most likely end up with a bootlooping system, if you finally arrive at MyDocs=ext3 Aug 22 09:03:14 camera-ui is closed Aug 22 09:03:16 so i doubt that Aug 22 09:03:35 jacekowski: No, the replacement for camera-ui Aug 22 09:03:53 jacekowski, bit too late :/ I thought that was the easiest way out as backupmenu + USB read/write mode I thought wouldn't give me proper access (definitely mistaken now, bit too slow) Aug 22 09:04:09 vi__: CSSU camera-ui replacement is one of the huge flaws of CSSU as that camera bit never should've got into CSSU Aug 22 09:04:49 DocScrutinizer: the guide to converting mydocs to ext3 goes into changing genfstab.awk to avoid boot loop. Aug 22 09:05:01 DocScrutinizer, I followed Lantizia's HOWTO, works without bootloops. Though I did it twice to have a success, the first time I couldn't mount /home/user/MyDocs, ended up with bootloops, etc. Aug 22 09:05:06 DocScrutinizer: camera-ui in cSSU, meh. Aug 22 09:05:45 jpinx: wlan then, as per DocScrutinizer ... you can Shift-Ctrl-X to bring up Xterm. i dunno how to connect to wlan from there though Aug 22 09:05:45 fair enough, as that'S the bare minimum you'll have to do on top of all the acrobatics to change fs itself Aug 22 09:06:26 vi__, the HOWTO by Lantizia? Aug 22 09:06:47 psycho_oreos: I don't know that howto. Aug 22 09:06:59 vi__: eh?? Aug 22 09:07:01 Is it possible to somehow expose the gps in the n900 to a pc via usb? Aug 22 09:07:08 vi__, ahh ok, fyi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73478 Aug 22 09:07:11 psycho_oreos: however you will have to change genfstab.awk to llok for partition type 82 instead of fat Aug 22 09:07:24 ErwinJunge: there was something for that Aug 22 09:07:34 vi__: ( DocScrutinizer: camera-ui in cSSU, meh.) MEH indeed. but I think you meant sth different Aug 22 09:07:40 ErwinJunge: via virtual serial port or something like that Aug 22 09:07:56 what about Columbus :/ Aug 22 09:08:07 psycho_oreos: oh that guide. Yeah. Aug 22 09:08:08 jacekowski: Did some quick googling, but couldn't find anything definitive. Aug 22 09:08:30 ErwinJunge: columbus iirc Aug 22 09:08:31 Sicelo: Does columbus share the gps via usb as well? I use it for gps access on the phone. Aug 22 09:08:40 vi__, I guess Lantizia's method averted all that because he mentioned that maemo assumes 82 is /home and if both /home/user/MyDocs && /home|/opt are 82, it'll mount both as /home|/opt or something. So he changed the FS ID to 42 which he says its old linux partition ID Aug 22 09:09:10 vi__, heh that guide I noticed in the code portion only changes two files. I wasn't aware it changed genfstab.awk Aug 22 09:09:11 check under Tools Aug 22 09:09:29 Thanks, googling on n900 columbus usb got me some interesting results Aug 22 09:09:33 ErwinJunge: columbus shars gps via anything Aug 22 09:09:56 psycho_oreos: a lot of more prudent people changed size of MyDocs from 27GB to sth like 2GB in favour of /home growth, while keeping the VFAT fs on it Aug 22 09:11:14 ok, I have added: Aug 22 09:11:39 jacekowski, Sicelo, chem|st: That's amazing :) I've been using columbus for gps info on the device for a long time but never knew about the extra features like sharing over bluetooth/usb :) Thanks for the pointer! Aug 22 09:11:58 echo "mount some shit" > /etc/fstab in rcS-late after genfstab.awk is called. Aug 22 09:12:06 rebooting.... Aug 22 09:12:09 \0/ Aug 22 09:12:49 vi__: what will happen if you ever have to reflash rootfs? Aug 22 09:13:04 I have to do ALL THIS SHIT AGAIN. Aug 22 09:13:11 but at least I will know what to do Aug 22 09:13:18 oh and BUM Aug 22 09:13:31 vi__: PLUS you have to flash == erase all your eMMC Aug 22 09:13:39 BM Aug 22 09:13:44 or it wont even boot I guess Aug 22 09:14:01 BAH Aug 22 09:14:03 BOOTLOOP Aug 22 09:14:12 congrats Aug 22 09:14:20 If you've got PK, use the BM terminal Aug 22 09:14:24 another happy customer! Aug 22 09:14:31 heh, yea Aug 22 09:14:40 moo robbiethe1st Aug 22 09:14:54 robbiethe1st: I do, and I shall. Aug 22 09:15:04 Oh, that reminds me. Do you know where the N950 flashable images are, DocScrutinizer ? Aug 22 09:15:32 robbiethe1st: how to tab with BM console? Aug 22 09:15:33 DocScrutinizer, yeah there was guide by: 白い熊 Aug 22 09:15:34 yes, I know I have a link to one_click_flasher Aug 22 09:15:51 vi__: shift+space Aug 22 09:15:54 vi__: ctrl-i ? Aug 22 09:16:00 ooh Aug 22 09:17:16 It's... pali?'s KB layout Aug 22 09:17:21 robbiethe1st: thank you Aug 22 09:17:23 robbiethe1st: there's that landing zone in #harmattan topic. You got everything there, in max 2 clicks distance Aug 22 09:17:45 Perfect Aug 22 09:17:57 robbiethe1st: another question. How to suppress output of charging script while in root console? It keeps outputting all over my screen Aug 22 09:18:07 Not sure Aug 22 09:18:18 You can always kill the charging script, but... Aug 22 09:18:30 robbiethe1st: where is the charging script? Aug 22 09:18:32 I need to upload a new version Aug 22 09:18:39 vi__: ouch Aug 22 09:18:40 uh... /bin/charge.sh Aug 22 09:18:44 is it incorporated in BM main script? Aug 22 09:18:49 No Aug 22 09:19:04 robbiethe1st: ok, Il just REM out the echo line. Aug 22 09:19:19 that'll work Aug 22 09:19:26 robbiethe1st: maybe redirect output of charge.sh >/dev/null or sth? Aug 22 09:19:29 remember, however, that the copy in /bin is in memory Aug 22 09:19:53 Yea, why not Aug 22 09:20:04 that will allow it to be run without it for debug Aug 22 09:20:30 robbie how to get '>' in root console? Aug 22 09:21:01 shift + > maby? alt+ >? Aug 22 09:21:03 press symbol Aug 22 09:21:08 then the vkbd pops up Aug 22 09:21:17 SpeedEvil: In BM terminal Aug 22 09:21:23 robbiethe1st: I think I could have a short review and edit on charge.sh to come up with a somewhat more sophisticated script that has things like "--quiet" and maybe even "--daemonize" Aug 22 09:21:39 DocScrutinizer: Go ahead. I'm all for it Aug 22 09:22:43 robbiethe1st: thank you robbie, you are a total bro. Aug 22 09:22:57 Yea, NP Aug 22 09:22:57 I hope you spen my donations on drugz 'n beers. Aug 22 09:23:26 heh, I wish. IIRC, I spent it on a replacement USB port(5, actually) for my N900 Aug 22 09:26:18 So, I have to ask. Who's the djszapi guy in #harmattan? He acts like he knows everything, seems to not like anyone's plan to improve *anything*,, and seems just plain unhelpful Aug 22 09:27:35 What is this BM you're talking about? I took a guess at either battery monitor or battery management, but can't find anything on google. Link? Aug 22 09:27:36 Un-fscking believable Aug 22 09:27:40 robbiethe1st: sounds like abill... Aug 22 09:27:58 My line is in fstab, it is added in rcS-late Aug 22 09:28:02 ErwinJunge: BackupMenu Aug 22 09:28:09 ~bm Aug 22 09:28:09 extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Aug 22 09:28:17 /opt/somepath /somepath none bind Aug 22 09:28:26 robbiethe1st: thanks Aug 22 09:28:26 chem|st: Yes, it does, now that I think about it Aug 22 09:28:35 when I run mount -a it mounts Aug 22 09:28:46 but it STILL doesnt mount at boot Aug 22 09:28:48 WTF Aug 22 09:28:53 how is this even possible? Aug 22 09:29:05 robbiethe1st: pain! Aug 22 09:29:11 kick from channel! Aug 22 09:29:45 I would if I had any powers Aug 22 09:31:55 what order is items in fstab mounted? Aug 22 09:33:23 I think the fstab file is ignored at boot time Aug 22 09:34:16 psycho_oreos: no Aug 22 09:34:32 it is used to mount everything Aug 22 09:35:09 it is created automatically, used to mount Aug 22 09:35:19 fstab is autogenerated Aug 22 09:35:27 There is a crappy awk script Aug 22 09:35:36 and there is something else Aug 22 09:35:44 bash script that specifies -t vfat Aug 22 09:35:48 jacekowski: yes? Aug 22 09:35:48 yup Aug 22 09:35:50 so you have to modify that as well Aug 22 09:35:52 fstab is ignored Aug 22 09:35:56 ruskie: no it's not Aug 22 09:35:58 unless you modify the init scripts Aug 22 09:36:19 so, how do I get somthing to be mounted at boot?????:? Aug 22 09:36:19 jacekowski, considering I've modified the scripts to actually respect fstab Aug 22 09:36:28 vi__, you create a new init script for it Aug 22 09:36:49 or modify existing ones Aug 22 09:36:57 if fstab is ignored, why is the system unbootable if fstab is broken? Aug 22 09:37:22 have a look here :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.237:_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_.28PR_1.2.2F3_compatible.29 Aug 22 09:37:28 ugh that's a rather long link Aug 22 09:37:33 fstab gets generated on each boot Aug 22 09:38:08 ruskie: if it is ignored, what is the pooint in generating it? Aug 22 09:38:16 mount might want it to exist Aug 22 09:38:32 what must I do to enable it? Aug 22 09:39:13 to enable fstab? Aug 22 09:39:38 ya Aug 22 09:39:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Repartitioning read the comments in the script Aug 22 09:43:39 gah, why is maemo so hackish? Aug 22 09:43:41 I should update that info with my current setup though Aug 22 09:43:51 vi__, because it's made for hacking ;) Aug 22 09:44:06 and possibly propose a patch to cssu for it Aug 22 09:45:23 this is going to fcking kill me Aug 22 09:45:31 My line exists in fstab Aug 22 09:45:41 if I type mount -a it mounts Aug 22 09:45:44 yup Aug 22 09:45:50 but on a reboot it should disapear Aug 22 09:45:55 atleast it always did here Aug 22 09:45:55 if i type mount /home/opt/maps_osm it mounts Aug 22 09:46:39 I have an event.d script that calls mount /home/opt/maps_osm Aug 22 09:46:41 it runs Aug 22 09:46:52 BUT IT DOESN T FFFFFFFF MOUNT THE DAMN THING Aug 22 09:46:57 no fstab entry Aug 22 09:46:58 I Dont get it Aug 22 09:47:04 fstab gets regenerated on reboot Aug 22 09:47:08 There is a fstab entry Aug 22 09:47:30 unless something changed Aug 22 09:47:40 ruskie: I have an 'echo "/mount/stuff /here none bind" Aug 22 09:47:45 ruskie: I have an 'echo "/mount/stuff /here none bind"' Aug 22 09:47:50 in rcS-late Aug 22 09:47:56 the line is in fstab Aug 22 09:48:03 it is added to the autogenerated fstab Aug 22 09:48:07 at boot Aug 22 09:48:16 ahhh Aug 22 09:48:17 please don't use enter as punctuation Aug 22 09:48:33 vi__, my suggestion is don't bother with fstab Aug 22 09:48:38 if I type 'mount /home/opt/maps_osm' it mounts in the right place Aug 22 09:48:40 and just add mount --bind /a /b Aug 22 09:48:50 into the event script Aug 22 09:50:16 done, rebooting Aug 22 09:51:05 /srv/storage /mnt/storage bind defaults,bind 0 0 <-- that's a bind mount entry on my server at home btw Aug 22 09:51:56 ruskie, and that is what I would use normally. However genfstab.awk uses /here /there none bind Aug 22 09:55:59 ruskie: I bought it on the basis that it powers-up, so probably will work ;) Now I'll do a screen swap and set it up to accept the usb connection without need for any input, and do everything by ssh... Aug 22 09:56:38 ruskie: you'll be hearing more about this experiment ;) Aug 22 09:58:28 ruskie this will blow your mind Aug 22 09:58:44 I have created an /event.d/mounts Aug 22 09:59:07 It contains exec mount --bind /a /b Aug 22 09:59:32 does not work? Aug 22 09:59:36 from console if I type 'start mounts', it executes the file and mounts the directories. Aug 22 10:00:04 However! It does not work at boot. Aug 22 10:00:12 it runs, but does not mount anything Aug 22 10:00:23 and you're certain it runs? Aug 22 10:06:30 ruskie: yes Aug 22 10:13:29 who had that link on spotting between a real and fake N9 lol, you know that link would come in real handy Aug 22 10:18:12 * SpeedEvil is reminded of "funnel or tunnel". Aug 22 10:24:15 there's a pre-order N9 (!) for sale on fleabay, who knows if its a scam or you end up getting W9 *snickers* Aug 22 10:24:31 W9? Aug 22 10:24:40 codenamed: Sea Ray Aug 22 10:24:50 Ah, that one Aug 22 10:25:23 You seriously want an N9? Aug 22 10:25:26 vi__: probably it runs too early, or in an inappropriate environment Aug 22 10:25:44 its quite sad too that there's very little difference between the two when viewed from a distance. One can easily mistake N9 with W9 or vice versa from a distance Aug 22 10:26:06 ErwinJunge, I'd somewhat prefer N950 but I guess I have no choice but to get N9 :) Aug 22 10:27:00 I'd miss my keyboard too much with N9, just sticking to the N900 for now Aug 22 10:27:20 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Nokia-N9-16GB-Red-8MP-Unlocked-/320746499936?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aadfb2f60 Aug 22 10:27:35 ErwinJunge: probably hw kbd is your least problem when migrating from N900 to N9 Aug 22 10:27:59 that's the one thing that worries me with N9, its easy to lose virtual keyboard on N900. Without purchasing a bluetooth keyboard or reflashing N9, how the hell is one going to get their virtual keyboard back? Aug 22 10:28:17 DocScrutinizer: What else? Aug 22 10:28:26 Nescaf Aug 22 10:28:56 N9 has an all different OS, though some claim it's still maemo. I don't actually buy that for a maemo OS Aug 22 10:29:34 Oh yeah, that too. I like the ecosystem here. Aug 22 10:30:02 the whole philosophy of HARM is tailored towards "end-user me-too iPhone look alike" Aug 22 10:30:03 once we will have a .deb to kick aegis down and gtk libraries it is much like maemo :-) Aug 22 10:30:14 DocScrutinizer: That's for sure Aug 22 10:30:23 DocScrutinizer, I suppose this would go against your NDA, but have you ever had virtual keyboard disappearing on you with N950? Aug 22 10:30:29 or can I not ask that? Aug 22 10:30:46 I can say I haven't had it happen when it wasn't supposed to Aug 22 10:30:52 psycho_oreos: the vkbd is actually pretty nice Aug 22 10:30:56 *nods* Aug 22 10:30:57 that's neither against my NDA nor do i use vkbd a lot on N950 Aug 22 10:31:11 vkbd still is a PITA Aug 22 10:31:14 Latter part is also true Aug 22 10:31:32 what really sucks is lack of landscape mode on most apps just like lack of portrait mode on n900 Aug 22 10:31:37 n950 lacks swype preloaded that the n9 comes with though Aug 22 10:31:49 please, for the love of god in all that is holy. Can someone make a pastebin of their /etc/event.d/xsession file. Aug 22 10:31:52 I have to ask... do you know if they'll implement landscape mode on the desktop in harmattan? Aug 22 10:31:55 I am begging you. Aug 22 10:32:03 vi__: n900 or n950? Aug 22 10:32:03 Arkenoi: indeed Aug 22 10:32:07 nid0: we might get it in the later half Aug 22 10:32:08 n900 Aug 22 10:32:16 hiemanshu, I'm quite worried because installing international language input such as scim for instance can easily screw up vkbd.. and to lose vkbd when you're on the move can be a real pita Aug 22 10:32:17 but what sucks most is aegis Aug 22 10:32:34 * Jaffa considers tapping GAN900 up to get him a TouchPad for Mrs Jaffa Aug 22 10:32:40 you're not master of your own device, even when you got root Aug 22 10:32:48 Jaffa: I need one too! Aug 22 10:33:03 but stupid B&N wont accept my card :( Aug 22 10:33:37 wish I could pick a couple up, the sale doesnt seem to have reached the uk though :< Aug 22 10:33:38 vi__: mompls Aug 22 10:33:47 vi__, /etc/event.d/xsession Aug 22 10:33:50 http://pastebin.com/CQfGjfi2 Aug 22 10:33:54 http://pastebin.com/9LL51XeS Aug 22 10:33:56 ffs Aug 22 10:34:02 heh Aug 22 10:34:04 ahh well Aug 22 10:34:05 lol Aug 22 10:34:32 * psycho_oreos failed in two ways :/ Aug 22 10:34:44 2nd, how to kill charger script Aug 22 10:35:02 sudo gainroot; stop bme? Aug 22 10:35:06 I cannot type all that stuff in with stupid charger values clobbering whole screen Aug 22 10:35:08 Or, for BM... run 'top', kill it Aug 22 10:35:19 pidof charge.sh, kill *pid* Aug 22 10:35:22 anyhow, I guess we'll see how well N9 performs with its vkbd and user wanting to use international input language(s) Aug 22 10:35:39 pkill charge.sh Aug 22 10:35:48 DocScrutinizer: What I don't understand about Aegis is why? Why go through all the trouble to put that in there? What does Nokia gain? Aug 22 10:35:53 or kill `pidof charge.sh` Aug 22 10:36:03 ErwinJunge: a reason to hate meego Aug 22 10:36:08 ErwinJunge, trust from the media universe. Aug 22 10:36:11 ErwinJunge, cripple one's experience with meego/maemo platform Aug 22 10:36:13 ErwinJunge: a reason to make people hate meego Aug 22 10:36:20 ErwinJunge: one guy was talking about it being some sort of requirement for carriers, and thus for meego Aug 22 10:36:21 hmm? anything wrong with the N9 vkbd ? Aug 22 10:36:25 yeah Nokia gains trust from the media companies who will be more willing to release their content for these platforms Aug 22 10:36:35 i.e. the platforms with Aegis Aug 22 10:36:41 ErwinJunge: probably it's legacy from a time when Nokia thought *all* their smartphones will have maemo/meego Aug 22 10:36:52 ...now I have to re-type xsession file on littel n900 KB with crumby busybox vi Aug 22 10:36:54 -_- Aug 22 10:36:59 I, for one, want to see it broken as wide as possible. So, as long as it's wipable, and I can have it removed on mine, great. Aug 22 10:37:22 robbiethe1st, yeah Aug 22 10:37:28 Appiah, no, none that I know of (plus I don't even own one myself). I'm just afraid of losing vkbd with N9 when it comes to inputting foreign language characters on N9 as it did with N900 (note that I skipped N950, that's because I actually don't own one) Aug 22 10:37:30 vi__: Um... pull out your uSD card, load it on, plug it back in, remount, copy? Aug 22 10:37:37 ErwinJunge: also, so you can have angry birds :P Aug 22 10:37:47 robbiethe1st, javispedro managed to turn it off for good Aug 22 10:37:54 howto mount sd under bm? Aug 22 10:38:03 mountsd Aug 22 10:38:06 psycho_oreos: N900 has a vkdb? Aug 22 10:38:07 or mountsd.sh Aug 22 10:38:11 Venemo_N950: hey Aug 22 10:38:19 I suspect what will happen is people will come up with an unsigned kernel that ignores the Aug 22 10:38:20 robbie, you are the greatest. Aug 22 10:38:21 Oh, and it unmounts everything upon exit, so... Aug 22 10:38:25 hey hiemanshu :) Aug 22 10:38:49 that ignores the "turn Aegis on" flags from the usermode daemon Aug 22 10:38:58 hiemanshu, you meant vkbd, yes it does when you don't have the physical keyboard hanging out, and there's extra chars menu via Sym|Cntrl + blue arrow Aug 22 10:39:21 psycho_oreos oh , when I still had a n900 I never used the vkbd Aug 22 10:39:24 hi jonwil :-D Aug 22 10:39:32 Same Aug 22 10:39:35 psycho_oreos: nope cant see it :( Aug 22 10:39:42 psycho_oreos: maybe its not present in the indian images Aug 22 10:40:01 Appiah, with N9, you'll be _forced_ to use vkbd until you buy maybe a bluetooth keyboard and hope that damn thing works when you're caught in a bind :) Aug 22 10:40:25 psycho_oreos: well, bluetoothe kbd + duct-tape works Aug 22 10:40:32 hiemanshu, weird, but Sym|Ctrl + blue arrow brings up extra characters menu? Aug 22 10:40:39 dont see why the n9 vkbd would lack let say a swedish qwerty layout Aug 22 10:40:53 psycho_oreos: yeah, that works Aug 22 10:41:01 but yes that will be a big WTF Aug 22 10:41:02 will be interesting to see what the Google+Motorola deal does to the mobile landscape Aug 22 10:41:10 hiemanshu, that's what I said :) but it'll be handy for someone to also sniff typed letters :p fun! Aug 22 10:41:23 It wont affect Nokia or Maemo or MeeGo though I suspect Aug 22 10:41:31 Appiah, I meant inputting characters like Chinese, Russian, Japanese, etc Aug 22 10:41:34 psycho_oreos: I thought one like the N950 has one Aug 22 10:41:41 hiemanshu, weird Aug 22 10:41:59 psycho_oreos: oh O_o Aug 22 10:42:09 hiemanshu, what vkbd? I dunno, it should but like N900 it also has physical keyboard so when shit hits the fan you're not stuck :p Aug 22 10:42:44 Appiah, its very easy to break vkbd in N900, installing mscim (yes yes I know, its part of extras-devel, I was forewarned, but I need it!) can easily break vkbd Aug 22 10:42:47 psycho_oreos: well, the N950 has a vkbd like the N9 when the slider is closed, so I though N900 had one too, I use the phone with a single hand, a lot Aug 22 10:43:18 whats mscim? Aug 22 10:43:43 hiemanshu: I thought N900 *has* a vkbd. All you need to do is enable it in settings Aug 22 10:43:43 psycho_oreos: ugh, I had to enable it :/ Aug 22 10:43:49 hiemanshu, I never tried Indian image to be honest, I'm using global image and you get vkbd when slider is closed (exact same behaviour as N950, except I never seen N950 in proper action :p) Aug 22 10:44:40 jonwil, maemo scim (smart common input method) allows you to input characters from other languages like Russian, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Though mscim is made for N900 afaik Aug 22 10:44:49 ok Aug 22 10:45:24 hiemanshu, lol so now you see it? Aug 22 10:45:25 jonwil: will you be around in 1...2h? Aug 22 10:45:28 hi, im using wvdial to use my n900 as a modem, it works perfektly but after 5-7 minutes of surfing, the n900 reboots, any one got the same trouble? or an idea? Aug 22 10:45:32 psycho_oreos: yeah, looks like shit Aug 22 10:45:35 I will be, why? Aug 22 10:45:56 hey jonwil Aug 22 10:45:59 jonwil: wanna talk to you, but have to run now, so afk. CYA l8r Aug 22 10:46:03 ok Aug 22 10:47:15 hiemanshu, hey well that's vkbd when you don't want to use physical keyboard. Also I guess it can act somewhat as a bit of alternative to preventing excessive wear-and-tear on physical keyboard. My old N900 has a few keys chipped (paint peeled off) and the backlight shone through) Aug 22 10:48:10 psycho_oreos: hah, my N900 isn't that bad though Aug 22 10:48:10 well now I have aftermarket key pad but am being more cautious than I was Aug 22 10:49:36 hiemanshu, though the bottom line is, N9 once vkbd is stuffed and you don't happen to have bluetooth keyboard handy. You're SOL. This was somewhat my huge beef with N9 and prefer N950 Aug 22 10:50:24 psycho_oreos: that shouldn't be a problem seeing that vkbd is the only way to type anything, unless they can implement a perfect text to speech algo Aug 22 10:50:35 psycho_oreos: but that would be weird doing a 'man unzip' in public :/ Aug 22 10:50:40 hiemanshu, we're talking of nokia here Aug 22 10:50:55 hiemanshu: BWAHAHAHAAA! Aug 22 10:51:43 psycho_oreos: yes, I used a 5800, N8, and such with non english languages, works fine Aug 22 10:52:13 hiemanshu, those two other named products aren't meego :) Aug 22 10:52:29 nor are they even closely related to maemo Aug 22 10:52:51 well actually its just maemo with meego stuff added to it Aug 22 10:53:03 it still has debs and such Aug 22 10:53:04 but no what I meant is if nokia remains uncommitted and trying their best to cripple N9, do you think they'll implement speech -> text? I somewhat doubt it Aug 22 10:53:24 5800 && N8 == symbian :) nowhere near Aug 22 10:53:38 psycho_oreos: well they could implement it, and add it free to the W9, and give it as a paid upgrade to the N9? Aug 22 10:53:40 but yes I do see what you mean, they call it harmattan Aug 22 10:54:09 psycho_oreos: thats a nice app idea :P Aug 22 10:54:22 hiemanshu, add it free to W9, yup that's a wise choice :) may as well not manufacture N9 and make people say its vapourware instead :p Aug 22 10:54:43 psycho_oreos: think the way nokia does :P Aug 22 10:54:56 they need a scheme for PROFIT! :P Aug 22 10:55:13 make N9, ????, un-PROFIT! Aug 22 10:55:16 and cripple whatever they hate? :) Aug 22 10:55:50 arent they already doing that? :P Aug 22 10:56:09 they could have not bothered with N9, that'd be devastating Aug 22 10:56:25 wonder who are they really pleasing :p Aug 22 10:57:46 but typing in portrait mode with physical keyboard sucks big time Aug 22 10:58:11 psycho_oreos: the board meeting probably went like 'This is the next Phone' 'But what about the meego phone we promised' 'Meh, take the Sea Ray, remove some buttons, cripple it with aegis, and sell em' Aug 22 10:59:04 if you're talking about N900 style, yes, portrait mode sucks somewhat. If you're talking about a regular candy/bar style with what a T9 keyboard, not really Aug 22 10:59:38 hiemanshu, At the time they didn't promise a phone iirc they promised a meego device and rumours were speculating it would be a tablet Aug 22 11:00:07 s/phone/device/ then :P Aug 22 11:00:19 way off Aug 22 11:00:54 alas all this complaining isn't going to get anywhere inside nokia Aug 22 11:01:17 psycho_oreos: its going to the naughty list :P Aug 22 11:01:25 ok, so I stuck a file in /etc/event.d/file Aug 22 11:01:35 what do I have to do to get it to run? Aug 22 11:01:45 It is more or less a copy of another file in there Aug 22 11:01:47 hiemanshu, naughty list? Aug 22 11:02:10 psycho_oreos: http://xkcd.com/838/ Aug 22 11:03:12 vi__, most of the files within /etc/event.d directory in mine are 644 (rw-r-r) but some have execute bits, 755 (rwx-rx-rx). You may want to make changes to reflect that Aug 22 11:05:04 hiemanshu, that'd be an honour to be landed in naughty list within nokia :p its not like they'll do anything more with meego.. Probably once they are finished with selling N9 they'll probably dust their hands off and pretend the whole maemo/meego thing never really existed Aug 22 11:05:50 If they exist Aug 22 11:06:32 I hope that if they just do wp7, they die Aug 22 11:07:22 psycho_oreos: the permissions are correct Aug 22 11:07:59 This is driving me insane. why the F cant I mount stuff at boot?? Aug 22 11:08:02 I hope either that or they get the wakeup call that they can still turn this damn hell hole WP7 boat around and start looking at the reality in a different light Aug 22 11:08:59 vi__, hmm bugger.. well you've pretty much got stuck up to where I was stuck except I went overboard and screwed up my N900's setup in a different way Aug 22 11:10:59 I don't think WP7 can ever be turned around. Windows 8 for tablets on a phone, maby Aug 22 11:11:17 But otherwise it's just a crude copy of iOS, with all the problems and none of the good sides Aug 22 11:11:56 If Microsoft wants to make WP7 succesful, the #1 thing they could do to help get more apps is to make it 100% free to develop and test apps for the thing Aug 22 11:12:14 and make the fee only apply if you want to put it in the marketplace Aug 22 11:12:32 That will let people who want to dabble but cant justify the $99/yr fee do just that Aug 22 11:12:41 and maybe they create something worth spending $99 to publish Aug 22 11:13:33 the fee for dabblers is $9, not $99 Aug 22 11:13:55 yeah that crap, it should be $0 Aug 22 11:14:42 DocScrutinizer: hey doc Aug 22 11:26:27 windows paying for developing, while Nokia gives out phones for free to (some) devs Aug 22 11:26:34 the difference.. Aug 22 11:26:40 er Aug 22 11:26:48 microsoft forcing you to pay* Aug 22 11:32:19 I have just buyed DATA Tarif from my Provider. Where are some settings for DATA connection on n900? Aug 22 11:33:15 I have founded it just now. Aug 22 11:35:26 lol Nokia handing out free phones was only due to minimise wastage I bet Aug 22 11:42:08 vi__: mount stuff at boot via /etc/fstab? Aug 22 11:42:19 psycho_oreos: free phones? where? Aug 22 11:45:59 hiemanshu, why you asking when you got one? :p Aug 22 11:46:35 psycho_oreos: I currently own about 3 phones, I haven't paid for any of them Aug 22 11:46:37 :P Aug 22 11:47:05 hiemanshu, spoilt? Aug 22 11:47:22 spoilt? Aug 22 11:47:34 and the 3 doesn't include a dev device like the N950 Aug 22 11:48:40 hiemanshu, I meant as in being pampered till tickled happy? :p Aug 22 11:49:36 psycho_oreos: you can say so :P I have an awesome family and/or friends Aug 22 11:50:07 hiemanshu, *sigh* Aug 22 11:50:40 psycho_oreos: one of them was actually a gift from a client, but I prefer not to name that phone here, because uhmm, I want to live Aug 22 11:53:41 WP7? Aug 22 11:55:24 iPhone :P Aug 22 11:56:36 * ruskie watches in slow motion as a bolt of lightning slowly ascends from hiemanshu and another bit descends from the clouds to meet in the middle and turn hiemanshu into a smoking pile of ash Aug 22 11:56:58 talk about being smited ;) Aug 22 11:57:25 like I said, I wanted to live :P Aug 22 11:57:27 Well, jailbreak it, and hack the shit out of it... Aug 22 11:57:34 robbiethe1st: done and done Aug 22 11:57:53 hehe Aug 22 11:58:39 I'd now put it in the same category as the N950: Useless, until you load one hell of a lot of functionality-repairing apps on it. Like a filemanager, xterm, ssh, a real browser... Aug 22 11:58:55 hehe Aug 22 12:00:06 * Arkenoi wonders what idiot invented that kind of behavior for "mobile" browser when if mime type is not known it gives up doing anything instead of saving it to internal storage Aug 22 12:00:17 symbian behaves that way too Aug 22 12:00:20 Yes. Aug 22 12:00:50 Also, I have to wonder: who thought capactative touch screens were a good idea? Aug 22 12:01:00 people with fingers Aug 22 12:01:03 Comparing my N900's screen with the N950... Aug 22 12:01:16 N900's far more responsive, accurate with my finger, finger tip etc. Aug 22 12:01:26 ah, the crowd majority calls resistive touchscreens "outdated" Aug 22 12:01:28 and I have sweaty hands! Aug 22 12:01:39 and we cannot do anything to that Aug 22 12:01:50 Then lose the few hundred pounds you shouldn't be sporting, and don't use capacitive screens with sausage fingers. Aug 22 12:02:13 robbiethe1st, yeah that's why you get good respons... sweaty hands ;) Aug 22 12:02:14 Heh. I'm 130lbs and 6' tall. thin, long fingers Aug 22 12:02:25 I know, I *should* be. Aug 22 12:02:37 sweat is, after all, lower resistance Aug 22 12:02:40 robbiethe1st: its a conspiracy Aug 22 12:03:06 Yea. Or just a "copy apple because they did something that worked" Aug 22 12:03:18 never had no issues with the resistive screens Aug 22 12:03:25 even the palm m105 no probs Aug 22 12:04:10 is not it due to multitouch? Aug 22 12:04:49 Thing is, multitouch works fine. Sure. But try to tap small buttons. There's a good reason the iPhone has such large space-wasting buttons! Aug 22 12:04:57 but all the cap screens I had to use I wanted to throw the devices at the wall Aug 22 12:05:23 so i cannot wear a ring with a claw to use it with n950 like i could do with n900 Aug 22 12:05:38 or just reshape the nail ;) Aug 22 12:05:46 Arkenoi: those are just gay Aug 22 12:05:47 * hiemanshu runs Aug 22 12:06:06 * Arkenoi lols Aug 22 12:06:11 The N900 is the first touchscreen device I have used that I actually like Aug 22 12:06:18 definitely not gay! Aug 22 12:06:35 I loved my Palm IIIx Aug 22 12:06:43 Arkenoi: rings are just gay Aug 22 12:06:49 NO Aug 22 12:06:50 Arkenoi: And you'll never get a N950, sadly. Aug 22 12:06:59 already have one. Aug 22 12:07:17 Arkenoi: pic? Aug 22 12:07:34 Oh Aug 22 12:07:44 ErwinJunge: of the N950? Aug 22 12:07:49 No, the ring :) Aug 22 12:07:55 I know what N950 looks like Aug 22 12:07:56 Jaffa, going for one or not? Aug 22 12:08:02 ErwinJunge: hah Aug 22 12:08:17 DocScrutinizer, apparently germany is the first european country to start the firesale... Still not tempted? Aug 22 12:08:42 ErwinJunge: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K3w5tohyzyU/SdZI853GadI/AAAAAAAAG4w/TNoDrdjTSBM/s400/P1140799.JPG Aug 22 12:08:45 I had something like that Aug 22 12:09:18 Doesn't look very comfortable Aug 22 12:09:23 touchpad? broke, no such oppotunity buys Aug 22 12:11:11 http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/276116612/Claw_Finger_Armor_Ring.jpg yep, something like that (just a bit different buth the idea is the same). don't have one with me as i do not wear it anymore after switching to n950 Aug 22 12:11:41 You shouldn't have been wearing that before getting the N950 either. Aug 22 12:12:09 well, mine looked slightly better :-) Aug 22 12:12:24 regardless of "how good" it looked. Aug 22 12:12:45 crashanddie: I had about 8 of those Aug 22 12:12:51 different designs and such Aug 22 12:13:00 where are mounts/unounts logged? Aug 22 12:13:02 but then I turned 18 Aug 22 12:13:08 vi__, syslog Aug 22 12:13:18 hiemanshu, and grew a beard? Aug 22 12:13:33 crashanddie: nope, not growing a beard :P Aug 22 12:13:44 as in, wont grow one Aug 22 12:13:49 anyways Aug 22 12:13:52 * hiemanshu is off Aug 22 12:13:55 crashanddie, why? Aug 22 12:13:58 I meant as in "have the capacity to grow one" Aug 22 12:14:04 So, is there any problems with taking pictures of the N950(device, not software) and posting them? I didn't /see/ anything in the NDA, but... Aug 22 12:14:07 Arkenoi, they're juvenile Aug 22 12:14:11 most of the time i wear this one: http://share.ovi.com/media/arkenoi.mymedia/arkenoi.10010 Aug 22 12:14:35 crashanddie: Looks like the UK may be getting a price dip too Aug 22 12:14:53 crashanddie: If so, and the rumoured 89gbp is accurate, would be a lot better than the crappy Android 2.1 tablet from Maplin Aug 22 12:15:03 and a bag like that: http://share.ovi.com/media/arkenoi.mymedia/arkenoi.10037 , yes, at work too :-) Aug 22 12:15:48 Wearing something like that tells the world "I am so utterly inept at social contact that I isolate myself behind goth and metal. Yes, the white makeup and black lips give me superpowers" Aug 22 12:17:06 crashanddie, what does metal have to do with inept at social contact? Aug 22 12:17:15 it doesn't. Aug 22 12:17:22 but wearing those things does. Aug 22 12:17:58 doesn't seem so different from wearing watches, rings, pendants etc... Aug 22 12:18:48 http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/ebosh_look.jpg mirror sunglasses fall into the same category? Aug 22 12:21:35 I think it is quite clear what crashhandie is saying... Aug 22 12:23:42 I have an issue registering with talk.maemo.org... seems i don't get the confirmation mail for my registration...it's not in the spam folder either. how long does it normally take for the mail to arrive? Aug 22 12:25:36 nicofs, almost instant Aug 22 12:25:59 vi__, hmm.. it's been hours now... Aug 22 12:30:38 X-Fade, ping Aug 22 12:32:45 Arkenoi: white suite, hat, and cane with those, please Aug 22 12:33:38 crashanddie: pong Aug 22 12:33:53 X-Fade, can you have a look at the email confirmation? Aug 22 12:33:55 for nicofs Aug 22 12:34:39 crashanddie: No, forum is done by reggie. It is hosted elswhere. Aug 22 12:34:45 Ah crap, right Aug 22 12:34:47 RST38h, that's how i look most part of the summer Aug 22 12:34:53 And he's never on IRC... Aug 22 12:35:41 Arkenoi: no wonder you have asolutely no friends whatsoever and girls ignore you! Aug 22 12:35:49 * RST38h winks, laughs satanically Aug 22 12:39:23 /etc/event.d/mounts: unable to read: Invalid argument Aug 22 12:39:26 means? Aug 22 12:39:41 you have an invalid argument in your /etc/event.d/mounts script Aug 22 12:39:42 i'd just try another mail address, but my name is blocked now and i'm kind of attached to it... Aug 22 12:40:07 mount --bind /this /there Aug 22 12:40:12 it works normally Aug 22 12:40:40 cat /etc/event.d/mounts Aug 22 12:40:40 description "mounting extra directories" Aug 22 12:40:40 author "paul sleggs" Aug 22 12:40:40 console output Aug 22 12:40:40 start on MOUNTS_OK Aug 22 12:40:43 script Aug 22 12:40:45 /bin/mount --bind /home/opt/maps_osm /home/user/MyDocs/.maps Aug 22 12:40:46 please don't spam the channel Aug 22 12:40:48 end script Aug 22 12:40:58 s/spam/flood/ Aug 22 12:40:59 crashanddie meant: please don't flood the channel Aug 22 12:41:08 Im sorry, im at my wits end Aug 22 12:41:12 vi: pastebin please Aug 22 12:41:38 X-Fade: ping Aug 22 12:41:52 the above line works when typed into root console Aug 22 12:42:06 X-Fade: i now got a notification that gpodder 2.18-1 (in -testing) is unlocked for promotion, but i can't promote due to a missing dependency Aug 22 12:42:12 X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gpodder/2.18-1/ Aug 22 12:42:14 but not when invoked from within event.d/script. Aug 22 12:43:06 thp: Why does it depend on maemo10? Aug 22 12:43:27 thp: Ah, I see this should be fixable. Aug 22 12:44:04 :) Aug 22 12:44:46 i think the dependency on maemo10 is even for some reason (api change / fix in that version) - has been more than a year since this fix, though - and it is in extras Aug 22 12:45:13 thp: Yeah, it got cleaned out somehow. Aug 22 12:53:34 Anybody here got any advice on dealing with insurance people, and any advice on what to say when they offer me an E7 or C7 to replace my N900? Aug 22 12:53:51 insurance people? Aug 22 12:54:31 crashanddie: after almost 6 months, the insurance people have finally decided my phone is not repairable Aug 22 12:55:07 but, as far as I know, neither of the phones they are offering me are capable of running maemo Aug 22 12:55:23 well... capable might not be the right word, but neither of them do run it Aug 22 12:55:38 Indeed Aug 22 12:55:43 But, you're pretty much SOOL Aug 22 12:55:44 accept E7, Sell as 'unopened, new' on ebay/amazon. Buy New N900. Aug 22 12:55:59 genius Aug 22 12:56:23 and you will probably have enough change for a six pack of beer. Aug 22 12:56:24 vi__: I don't know whether they would send me a new one or a refurbished one Aug 22 12:56:33 It has to be new Aug 22 12:56:38 They're obliged to send a new one. Aug 22 12:56:39 dashavoo: what country? Aug 22 12:56:45 vi__: UK Aug 22 12:56:52 dashavoo: BINGO! Aug 22 12:56:57 Also, you may want to ask for a N950 or something Aug 22 12:57:17 under uk+EU law you are entitled to refund, replacement or replacement of equal value. Aug 22 12:57:32 they dont do refunds. Aug 22 12:57:41 crashanddie: pretty sure N950 isn't something they keep in stock Aug 22 12:57:54 It's worth a try Aug 22 12:58:11 true Aug 22 12:58:11 "If HP spins off their PC business....maybe they will call it Compaq?" (C)Michael Dell Aug 22 12:58:26 dashavoo: You will not get a N950. There was a guy on here who threatened them with legal action, quoting the 'sale of goods act, uk'. Aug 22 12:58:33 They magically found him a new one. Aug 22 12:58:48 yeah, that's bollocks Aug 22 12:58:56 ? Aug 22 12:59:10 Nokia don't give a fuck about legal action Aug 22 12:59:17 they know that what they're doing is 100% legal Aug 22 12:59:40 well either way, he got a new one and under EU law they have to fix it. Aug 22 12:59:48 doesn't that uk law between the consumer and the retailer, not the manufacturer Aug 22 13:00:01 isn't Aug 22 13:00:10 Threaten them with legal action, and the only thing you'll achieve is you'll look like a dick. Aug 22 13:00:46 vi__: sales of goods act say that if it's not feasible to fix it they may just give him a refund Aug 22 13:01:00 vi__: people that think sales of goods act is a magic bullet for everything are idiots Aug 22 13:01:09 whatever. Aug 22 13:01:23 and value is but fuzzy Aug 22 13:01:32 because they may use ebay value Aug 22 13:01:44 * RST38h suggestes threatening suicide Aug 22 13:01:45 and N8 is slightly more expensive than n900 Aug 22 13:02:23 It is way more cute than a legal action and has better chances of making them think twice before telling you to fuck yourself Aug 22 13:02:53 RST38h: hehe, that second point might be true, but I don't thnk it would get me very far Aug 22 13:03:43 thp: Try now? Aug 22 13:08:32 hey guys Aug 22 13:16:00 I still cannot get this to mount at boot Aug 22 13:16:20 I am now begging. Please help me. I have been at this for 5 hours. Aug 22 13:16:40 Yes, because just stating you're doing something helps finding the error Aug 22 13:16:47 Now, wtf are you trying to achieve, exactly? Aug 22 13:17:37 At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the filesystem. Aug 22 13:18:07 I want to mount /home/opt/maps_osm at /home/user/MyDocs/.maps Aug 22 13:18:20 X-Fade: seems to work now - thanks a lot! :) Aug 22 13:18:26 jacekowski: They may be idiots - however they only need to convince a magistrate in their local court, and nokia are unlikely to bother sending legal representation to a small claims case. Aug 22 13:18:42 I cannot use fstab because it is not used in maemo. Aug 22 13:18:58 So I have created an event.d script. Aug 22 13:19:10 fstab is used in maemo Aug 22 13:19:15 It's just autocreated Aug 22 13:19:20 -_- Aug 22 13:19:32 ruskie said it is not used. Aug 22 13:19:35 it's autocreated after the fact isn't it? Aug 22 13:19:42 eitherway. Aug 22 13:19:51 It's used - it may not be used as you like Aug 22 13:20:28 I added a line to rcS-late that adds my mount instructions to fstab AFTER it is autocreated. Aug 22 13:20:45 The directory does not get mounted. Aug 22 13:20:52 Alternative is to hack the autocreate script, or to do it the cheesy way. Aug 22 13:21:21 Which is to do it from userspace in a script called from queen-beecon on desktop create Aug 22 13:21:33 however if I type 'mount -a' or 'mount /home/opt/maps_osm' it WILL mount. Aug 22 13:21:48 yeah - fstab is used. Aug 22 13:21:54 But nothing calls mount -a Aug 22 13:22:23 The point is I have now tried 3 different methods, they all execute but the mount command does not work. Aug 22 13:23:00 It just outright does not work Aug 22 13:23:07 you said 'mount -a' will mount Aug 22 13:23:22 SpeedEvil: after I have added the appropriate line to fstab, yes Aug 22 13:23:37 So what do you mean by 'mount command does not work Aug 22 13:23:55 vi__: probably it runs too early, or in an inappropriate environment Aug 22 13:24:07 I can mount the directory from the CLI after boot by hand. As root. Aug 22 13:24:09 I said this some hours ago actually Aug 22 13:24:35 I can do it as an event.d script, from fstab with mount and outright mount --bind /this /there Aug 22 13:24:50 When doesn't it work? Aug 22 13:25:47 SpeedEvil: It doesnt work when I try to make it happen during boot up. Neither through fstab, event.d or xsession.post script Aug 22 13:26:03 fstab is NOT used in boot Aug 22 13:26:06 DocScrutinizer: what EXACTLY do you mean? Aug 22 13:26:14 DocScrutinizer> fstab is NOT used in boot Aug 22 13:26:27 < SpeedEvil> yeah - fstab is used. Aug 22 13:26:35 Various scripts do mount /home Aug 22 13:26:48 they don't do mount /dev/whatever /home Aug 22 13:27:06 But nothing explicitly calls mount -a - so any filesystems you add to fstab by whatever means do not get mounted Aug 22 13:27:09 and before those scripts mount /home you can't bindmount sth to home Aug 22 13:27:09 IIRC Aug 22 13:27:17 It's been a while since I looked at it. Aug 22 13:27:27 vi__: What are you actually wanting to mount where. Aug 22 13:28:01 MyDocs/.maps to /opt/maps Aug 22 13:28:32 At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the Aug 22 13:28:32 filesystem. Aug 22 13:28:34 At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the Aug 22 13:28:34 filesystem. Aug 22 13:28:39 gh At boot, I would like to bind mount a directory within the Aug 22 13:28:40 filesystem. Aug 22 13:28:45 I want to mount /home/opt/maps_osm at /home/user/MyDocs/.maps Aug 22 13:28:48 WHAT?? Aug 22 13:28:53 arrgh Aug 22 13:28:54 dude Aug 22 13:28:58 just create a fucking symlink Aug 22 13:29:00 keyboard is spazzing out. sorry. Aug 22 13:29:10 crashanddie: VFAT Aug 22 13:29:16 well if you know how tio make a symlink on a fat32 partition let me know. Aug 22 13:31:02 DocScrutinizer: you wanted to talk to me earlier? Aug 22 13:31:58 then where can I put a script that will get executed as root, on boot from userspace? Aug 22 13:32:24 vi__: call it from queen beecon Aug 22 13:32:36 vi__: Set to execute on startup. Add to sudoers Aug 22 13:32:44 SpeedEvil: That would be the ugliest, most vomified hack ever. Aug 22 13:32:46 What if you removed the rm from the rcS script? Aug 22 13:32:53 so that your fstab remains stable? Aug 22 13:33:00 vi__: It works though. Aug 22 13:33:05 crashanddie: my fstab is stable. Aug 22 13:33:24 hmm Aug 22 13:33:35 Another question, why do you need this mount? Aug 22 13:34:22 to move the default maps folder from a vfat partition to a ext3 partition in order that it does not waste upto 1/2 more space due to retarded vfat file size Aug 22 13:34:44 so you actually want your maps to be stored on the 128MB root? Aug 22 13:35:54 no, my 16GB /opt partition Aug 22 13:36:21 How is that one mounted? Aug 22 13:37:37 it is mounted by rcS-late somehow...I think. Aug 22 13:39:08 http://pastebin.com/KhZxMZ9P Aug 22 13:39:12 is my fstab Aug 22 13:39:50 http://pastebin.com/Hbup5KXw Aug 22 13:40:02 is my event.d mount script Aug 22 13:40:25 running the command in the mount script works from xterm Aug 22 13:40:38 jonwil: yeah Aug 22 13:40:40 but it does not work from within this script Aug 22 13:40:54 no error is reported in syslog. Aug 22 13:41:31 what did you want to talk about? Aug 22 13:41:43 vi__: after even end of /etc/event.d/rcS-late there's still no MyDocs mounted, so you're out of luck with adding your bindmount there Aug 22 13:42:10 DocScrutinizer: I havn't tried to mount within rcS-late Aug 22 13:42:47 vi__: also be aware a bindmount of sth into MyDocs would probably mass storage mode fail as that wants to umount MyDocs. That'S also the reason MyDocs isn't force-mounted in init Aug 22 13:43:15 nteresting Aug 22 13:43:18 ^i Aug 22 13:43:27 do you have /usr/lib/genfstab.awk? Aug 22 13:43:53 vi__: you'd probably find out about ke-recv and how it handles mounting/umounting of MyDocs, and add your bindmount there Aug 22 13:44:45 DocScrutinizer: already on it. Aug 22 13:44:54 jonwil: I thought you might be interested in patching NOLO Aug 22 13:45:15 patching NOLO on what device and for what reason? Aug 22 13:46:05 on N900, for the purpose of setting boot threshold voltage for battery higher, so the system stays longer in precharge before NOLO bots up linux Aug 22 13:46:36 I wouldn't know how to do that Aug 22 13:46:52 especially since NOLO isn't a normal ELF exe thats easy to reverse engineer Aug 22 13:46:57 in the way say libsms is Aug 22 13:47:28 RE NOLO, find the code that compares a ADC-readout of bat voltage to a hardcoded threshold value, change that hardcoded value Aug 22 13:47:38 jonwil: it is easy to reverse engineer Aug 22 13:47:48 you can treat it like staticaly linked ELF Aug 22 13:47:57 also I dont really have the time to work on reverse engineering stuff right now Aug 22 13:48:06 oh, ok Aug 22 13:48:20 I am busy with other (non-N900) projects Aug 22 13:48:25 DocScrutinizer: i'm thinking abut buying n900 Aug 22 13:48:34 so i may do some more stuff Aug 22 13:48:45 Although I am thinking about hacking that @#$^%$@# duck shoot game to make it easier to play :P Aug 22 13:49:05 jonwil: are you talking about old game with that light gun? Aug 22 13:49:15 no, I mean the duck shoot game on the n900 Aug 22 13:49:20 whatever its called Aug 22 13:49:21 the one in the repoas Aug 22 13:49:23 repos Aug 22 13:49:36 I play it when I am waiting for bus etc Aug 22 13:49:42 and its annoying me no end :P Aug 22 13:51:02 right now though I gotta watch as 4800 or so files (of various sizes totaling about 1.5GiB) pull down over FTP so I can then debug this problem with the code I am working on :( Aug 22 14:00:03 * jonwil wishes he could find some decent games for his N900 Aug 22 14:00:31 Too many of them are unsuited to the mobile device (openttd for example is totally useless on a N900) Aug 22 14:01:58 what about angry birds? ;) Aug 22 14:02:13 hey. openttd works for me. Aug 22 14:02:21 it is unsuited to stylus-less devices. Aug 22 14:02:31 the problem with openttd is that its the sort of thing that you need to play in long sessions Aug 22 14:02:40 so its not good for when you just have 5 minutes waiting for a bus or something Aug 22 14:02:46 or even 20 minutes riding on that bus Aug 22 14:02:50 that's when I'm usually more hungry for entertainment Aug 22 14:02:59 (30 minutes bus rides, etc.) Aug 22 14:03:23 I play the duck shoot game, geweled and a few others Aug 22 14:03:46 I still cant beat the chess AI in the stock chess app though Aug 22 14:04:06 Maybe that's because I suck at chess, not because of anything in that particular AI :P Aug 22 14:05:03 wouldn't mind a good Backgammon game with a nice AI for the N900 though :P Aug 22 14:08:17 I'm tempted to suggest playing Black Belt Sorvi Hero. (But it's not very much fun, really.) Aug 22 14:09:53 I like puzzle games and games that require you to use your head Aug 22 14:10:30 NetHack, then; it runs reasonably, even if the keyboard isn't exactly the most comfortable thing to play with. Aug 22 14:11:06 I've done that with the keyboard. It's awkward. Aug 22 14:11:12 Even after learning vikeys Aug 22 14:11:20 played more than enough nethack in my life thankyou :P Aug 22 14:11:45 I did play a game down to I think it was level 9, before getting stomped by a nasty bones. Aug 22 14:11:49 Well, uh... robotfindskitten? (That seems to be the total sum of games I have installed here.) Aug 22 14:13:10 There's also that sgtatham's "portable puzzle collection" thing, though it's not very polishedly "mobile". Aug 22 14:13:31 I find blocks annoyingly addictive at times. Aug 22 14:16:04 I find the N900 tetris clone to not be as good as other tetris clones I have played Aug 22 14:16:09 such as the one on my previous phone :P Aug 22 14:21:35 jon: I filed two bugs against it. :) Aug 22 14:22:17 It has poor collision detection - you can move blocks quickly past slight obstructions Aug 22 14:27:40 someone should write a tetris metapack. collect all tetris clones around, and make switching between them easy. Aug 22 14:27:45 preferably without changing game state :) Aug 22 14:28:19 GUys! Aug 22 14:28:29 I don't wanna get too excited Aug 22 14:28:48 but I think I have cracked it. Just wanna say thanks for the tolerance. Aug 22 14:29:15 I edited the /usr/bin/osso-mount-mmc.sh Aug 22 14:30:26 It now includes a line wrt to mounting my stuff. It survives reboots and USB pluggings. Aug 22 14:30:41 but, when pr1.4 comes, it'll break down ;( Aug 22 14:30:49 flux BWAHAHAHA Aug 22 14:30:51 ;) Aug 22 14:33:00 I intend to keep using my N900 until it fails in a way that cant be fixed Aug 22 14:33:25 mostly because any other GOOD phone costs $$$$$ in Australia Aug 22 14:33:37 unless I join crappy contract which I dont want to do Aug 22 14:34:22 plus there is no phone available that is as good as a N900 Aug 22 14:35:03 "granpa, why does your phone need to be charged 5 times a day?" Aug 22 14:35:36 hey, there are replacement batteries around for the n900 Aug 22 14:35:40 unlike the N9.. Aug 22 14:36:18 in a few years they won't have them for n900 either ;) Aug 22 14:36:25 they are nokia standard batteries Aug 22 14:36:35 they are surely going to be around for 5 years at least Aug 22 14:36:40 unless doomsday happens Aug 22 14:36:43 of.c Aug 22 14:44:14 so the nokia developer site has been cracked, and all the n950club password hashes have been released... Aug 22 14:44:25 (among others) Aug 22 14:45:24 I'm trying to do "sudo -s" in console inside "easy Ubuntu", but all i get is "sudo: must be setuid root" - what can I do? Aug 22 14:45:43 javispedro: Err - what? Aug 22 14:45:48 javispedro: Really? Aug 22 14:46:58 SpeedEvil: http://www.thehackernews.com/2011/08/nokia-website-hacked-by-pr0tect0r-aka.html Aug 22 14:47:27 Crap. Aug 22 14:47:46 If more web sites took security seriously, news like this wouldn't be so frequent Aug 22 14:48:00 But web sites dont do enough for security Aug 22 14:48:14 security should be automatic in the tools. Aug 22 14:48:30 Also if users diddn't share passwords Aug 22 14:49:02 yeah, I recon Microsoft and Oracle and IBM and the other makers of web development platforms and databases should add APIs and features so that security is dead simple Aug 22 14:49:27 so for example, query stuff for databases would be designed so that being secure is the easy way Aug 22 14:49:43 and being insecure (SQL injections etc) is the hard way Aug 22 14:49:51 I imagine making non-secure sql queries in Java requires some effort Aug 22 14:50:16 well, maybe not, if you come from php :P Aug 22 14:50:40 Its amazing how many database developers dont know about SQL injection and how to avoid it (or just dont care) Aug 22 14:53:10 mehehe Skype zero day HTML/(Javascript) code injection Aug 22 14:54:43 not a huge fan of Skype, mostly because they are yet another company that invented their own secret cryptography instead of using something off-the-shelf and well tested Aug 22 14:54:51 like AES Aug 22 14:55:26 yup Aug 22 14:55:37 and then protect it by obscurity Aug 22 14:56:26 and fail epically on even implementing a simple linux audio interface the right way Aug 22 15:01:45 ruskie: and DocScrutinizer fwiw - it is not possible to get the n900 running without a screen after a battery out. It needs locales, time etc and I can find no way to do that or bypass it on the kbd Aug 22 15:06:56 I'm trying to do "sudo -s" in console inside "easy Ubuntu", but all i get is "sudo: must be setuid root" - what can I do? Aug 22 15:13:10 nicofs: are you sure you are inside ubuntu? Aug 22 15:14:28 javispedro, well, it looks like ubuntu and the terminal is xterm inside what looks like ubuntu... Aug 22 15:14:43 ok, then run "stat /usr/bin/sudo" Aug 22 15:15:50 done... Aug 22 15:15:51 there will be a line like Aug 22 15:15:52 Access: (4111/---s--x--x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) Aug 22 15:16:18 paste the three numbers here (in the line above they would be 4111, 0, and 0) Aug 22 15:16:19 it's 6755 and 1000 1000 Aug 22 15:16:43 * javispedro tries to guess how that could happen Aug 22 15:17:07 ask qole, he provided the fs that way... Aug 22 15:17:16 yeah, ask qole is what you should do. Aug 22 15:17:26 refer him to the above conversation Aug 22 15:17:42 but shouldn't chmod and chown solve the issue? Aug 22 15:17:57 yes, but you'll need to do them as root outside the chroot. Aug 22 15:18:04 and I don't remember where is it mounted. Aug 22 15:18:11 mount fs on my pc? Aug 22 15:18:33 go ahead Aug 22 15:18:59 "mount file /place -o loop" or something like that... Aug 22 15:19:16 I'd ask qole though, maybe he has good reason. Aug 22 15:19:42 i do have quite a few backups... and today i feel lucky^^ Aug 22 15:22:18 boot with init=/bin/sh and fix it Aug 22 15:23:07 moooo, javispedro Aug 22 15:24:03 how can i change GID from 1000 to 0? Aug 22 15:24:04 GAN900, ping Aug 22 15:24:12 chown? Aug 22 15:24:21 nicofs: chown root:root Aug 22 15:24:26 nicofs: chown root:root Aug 22 15:24:26 nicofs: gid of what? Aug 22 15:24:31 nicofs: file or user Aug 22 15:24:40 /usr/bin/sudo Aug 22 15:24:40 read a bit of backlog and you'll see his goal Aug 22 15:25:29 isn't it better to use numeric parameters...? Aug 22 15:25:53 otherswise set a rootpw and use su Aug 22 15:26:09 nusse_, if only that worked... Aug 22 15:27:03 nicofs: you can use root:root just fine Aug 22 15:28:31 yes... i just realized that GID is group... just a few seconds too slow Aug 22 15:28:53 anyway - problem persists Aug 22 15:29:21 stat now returns 0111 and 0 0 Aug 22 15:29:57 so the "4" that used to be there disappeared - could that have been caused by chown root:root? Aug 22 15:34:56 moved on to the next error... Aug 22 15:35:51 :q Aug 22 15:36:42 now /etc/sudoers has wrong permissions Aug 22 15:37:47 * javispedro sighs and ponders you ask qole Aug 22 15:37:52 maybe you installed to vfat Aug 22 15:38:04 ah no, setuid bit was there though. Aug 22 15:38:29 not that i installed much - i downloaded the fs image... Aug 22 15:48:37 nicofs: chmod u+s Aug 22 15:49:31 "sudo: must be setuid root" Aug 22 15:49:43 nah, keep reading backlog ;) Aug 22 15:50:04 how far? til january? Aug 22 15:50:14 no no, after that. Aug 22 15:51:45 should /etc/sudoers be 0440? Aug 22 15:52:10 yes Aug 22 15:53:32 and obviously also root:root Aug 22 15:55:05 it works... Aug 22 15:55:12 sudo -s and no complaints Aug 22 15:55:38 now i can go about solving the issue that made me need sudo...^^ Aug 22 16:28:42 Shapeshifter, ping Aug 22 16:40:43 MohammadAG, Jaffa, sorry, slept in today. Aug 22 16:42:48 GeneralAntilles: die mate die! Aug 22 16:42:56 you are so late :( Aug 22 16:46:55 erm... now i arrived at ".Xauthority : no such file..." what can I do...? Aug 22 16:47:12 MohammadAG: why aren't you on #maemo-ssu ? Aug 22 17:11:31 hi Aug 22 17:11:54 any Mfe lovers arround ? :] Aug 22 17:12:39 ebob: i currently use it Aug 22 17:12:52 ah great Aug 22 17:12:55 mfe? Aug 22 17:13:00 mail for exchange Aug 22 17:13:01 did you had trouble with it ? Aug 22 17:13:11 yes mail for exchange :p Aug 22 17:13:13 nope, it has always worked perfectly Aug 22 17:13:18 hmm weird Aug 22 17:13:18 so far, so good Aug 22 17:13:24 when u created ur account Aug 22 17:13:41 it asked email/user/pass/domain ? Aug 22 17:13:49 yes Aug 22 17:13:51 nothing else like owa url ? Aug 22 17:14:04 let me check that Aug 22 17:14:17 yes , hoping it wont fuck with ur settings :p Aug 22 17:14:35 that'd be my problem :-) Aug 22 17:14:36 mfe<3 Aug 22 17:14:55 :) Aug 22 17:15:22 ok, i got the owa hostname, port, and below username, passwod and domain Aug 22 17:15:38 it just works Aug 22 17:15:44 port ? Aug 22 17:15:48 hmm Aug 22 17:15:50 strange Aug 22 17:16:20 ok Aug 22 17:16:28 can u check if u have a /apps ? Aug 22 17:16:34 in your filesystem ? Aug 22 17:16:51 ebob: I'm using it too Aug 22 17:17:00 when in parameters i start MFe, it ask me: adress mail Aug 22 17:17:03 username Aug 22 17:17:05 password Aug 22 17:17:07 domain Aug 22 17:17:12 thats all at first Aug 22 17:17:22 yeah "server" is on the 2nd configuration dialog Aug 22 17:17:27 ok Aug 22 17:17:36 so thats why, i'm stuck on the first screen Aug 22 17:17:43 cant access further Aug 22 17:17:48 something might be wrong Aug 22 17:18:12 How can I generate a new .Xauthority file? Aug 22 17:20:15 maybe the certificate Aug 22 17:20:22 thanks for helps :) Aug 22 17:21:06 ah Aug 22 17:21:16 is your server owa 2003/2007 or 2010 ? Aug 22 17:21:17 :p Aug 22 18:18:15 * javispedro sighs at "has been developing Android; the first complete, open, and free mobile platform based on the Linux kernel" quote right in a Linux Foundation page. Aug 22 18:27:21 ebob: MfE checks for exchange autodiscovery on the domain. It that is setup properly it doesn't need to ask the user about servers, urls etc. Aug 22 18:27:35 Thats why those are not in the first dialog. Aug 22 18:31:06 re indicator LED weird sun dependency: this morning the device blinked normal, then wehn I walked out where temperature was ~30°C and device was in a black holster on my belt and exposed to sun, the indicator was invisibly dim when I took device out (previously I did some photos indoor, but alas I didn't check indicator light then). Back home LED was back to normal after a while Aug 22 18:32:05 indications direction temperature related issue condense Aug 22 18:37:33 about h-e-n, can i rely on value for MaxPower that i get from running 'lsusb -v' when usb device connecteed to linux pc? Aug 22 18:37:53 No. Aug 22 18:38:05 Why? Aug 22 18:38:20 (Sometimes manufacturers just Make Stuff Up) Aug 22 18:39:17 It is never actually measured. Aug 22 18:39:59 aiui, N900 can supply up to 200mA when used as host.. so i'd like some way to be sure i don't connect something that will exceed that Aug 22 18:40:07 yes, 200 Aug 22 18:41:13 wont the n900 disable power supply if more current is drawn? Aug 22 18:41:23 crashanddie: fnac.fr has it :) Aug 22 18:41:39 was just wanting to ask that.. or some kind of protective mechanism Aug 22 18:42:17 i believe there is.. but this is the field of DocScrutinizer :) Aug 22 18:42:17 there will just a nice warning notifier on overload when you use the booston version of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 Aug 22 18:42:19 The chip has an overeating protection Aug 22 18:42:20 heating Aug 22 18:42:37 trx: yes there is Aug 22 18:43:17 SpeedEvil: also dedicated overcurrent protection Aug 22 18:43:23 iirc Aug 22 18:44:11 my script in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 handles all the chip can tell, and will nicely display. Anyway overload is no hazard Aug 22 18:44:36 basically it just stops hostmode, and you Aug 22 18:44:46 'd have to start from scratch again Aug 22 18:45:17 nice. thanks :) Aug 22 18:45:41 thanks for using it, please give feedback Aug 22 18:46:06 100% making me happy ;) Aug 22 18:46:36 sometimes takes a while to apply the 5V to the device.. but i don't mind that too much Aug 22 18:47:13 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/22/dixons_readies_ultra_low_cost_hp_touchpad/ <-- hmm for such a price I'd get one Aug 22 18:48:33 They had some, they sold out Aug 22 18:48:54 damn, I wish I knew someone in france Aug 22 18:49:05 hiemanshu: Why? Aug 22 18:49:13 SpeedEvil: to get the touchpad :P Aug 22 18:49:14 hiemanshu: the 16GiB is out of stock Aug 22 18:49:17 already Aug 22 18:49:20 in like 5 minutes Aug 22 18:49:24 javispedro: I dont mind the 32 Aug 22 18:49:32 but I dont know who to ship it to :( Aug 22 18:49:34 but it'll be in 3 min. Aug 22 18:49:50 crashanddie, but he's just at this moment away and he'll miss the sale =) Aug 22 18:50:02 The 32 is also out of stock in dixons Aug 22 18:50:09 click buy and it's not there Aug 22 18:50:17 it's out of stock everywhere :( Aug 22 18:50:30 damn Aug 22 18:50:42 yeah Aug 22 18:50:49 it dropped in price at 6PM and sold out instantly Aug 22 18:51:03 yup Aug 22 18:51:09 I've read some reports where people actually lost it from their carts Aug 22 18:51:16 yea Aug 22 18:51:20 someone I know had that happen Aug 22 18:51:27 on the payment page Aug 22 18:54:42 still on stock the 32GiB =) Aug 22 18:54:48 yeah Aug 22 18:54:56 but, who will ship it out :( Aug 22 18:55:14 javispedro: It doesn't work - click 'buy' and it says out of stock Aug 22 18:55:15 to bad I don't have any funds available Aug 22 18:55:20 SpeedEvil: fnac.fr Aug 22 18:55:24 else I'd go for it Aug 22 18:55:31 ah Aug 22 18:55:34 SpeedEvil: it was made available like 30 minutes ago Aug 22 18:55:43 16GiB ran out in like 10 minutes Aug 22 18:56:05 Sorry, this product is currently not available. Aug 22 18:56:06 the touchpad hasn't even come here Aug 22 18:56:16 ruskie: where? Aug 22 18:56:24 slovenia Aug 22 18:56:27 its never gonna come to india Aug 22 18:56:29 thats for sure Aug 22 18:58:23 Price on fnac is showing as 568 for me Aug 22 18:58:25 for 32 Aug 22 18:58:43 that means sold out Aug 22 18:58:46 too :( Aug 22 18:59:02 Ok. Aug 22 18:59:08 ohh fun Aug 22 18:59:08 I may be slow, but I can spot a pattern. Aug 22 18:59:18 well Aug 22 18:59:24 I could have paid for it and such Aug 22 18:59:31 if I had a address to send it to :( Aug 22 19:00:10 * SpeedEvil wonders about stores in .nl Aug 22 19:00:21 As 18:00 localtime is about to roll around Aug 22 19:00:46 SpeedEvil: if you can find one, order one for me too, please Aug 22 19:01:49 its just sad that when I can find it in stock, no one to contact to whom I can ship it to, and then when its out of stock, everyone is like, you can ship it to me :( Aug 22 19:02:32 SpeedEvil, erm... is .nl on some different timezone? other than the rest of EU? Aug 22 19:02:46 yes Aug 22 19:02:57 Or maybe the timezone page I looked at was confused Aug 22 19:03:06 On reflection, that is unlikely to be so. Aug 22 19:03:38 considering it's 2100 here and we're in CEST atm Aug 22 19:06:58 I guess netherlands still has some colonies in the Caribbean Aug 22 19:07:56 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/HP-SmartBuy-TouchPad-Wi-Fi-16GB/2414076.aspx Aug 22 19:08:02 in stock Aug 22 19:08:37 hiemanshu: I guess you could ship from anywhere in EU to anywhere Aug 22 19:08:42 I'm in EU Aug 22 19:08:57 hiemanshu: 'Availabiltiy' call Aug 22 19:09:04 hiemanshu: it's been that way for quite a while, I doubt they are updating it Aug 22 19:09:13 oh :( Aug 22 19:09:29 but if they ship to you... Aug 22 19:09:41 damn Aug 22 19:10:15 though my addr is a bit of a weird choice, as I'm actually not planning to get one myself Aug 22 19:10:30 javispedro is also in EU afaik Aug 22 19:10:55 I'm in .ES but also having a hard time finding anyone shipping here Aug 22 19:11:05 not even fnac.fr Aug 22 19:11:21 dang, they HAVE TO ship to EU Aug 22 19:11:23 SpeedEvil: Fnac where ? Aug 22 19:11:36 I see it at 99 euros in france (Fnac) Aug 22 19:11:42 already out of stock there Aug 22 19:11:46 gah Aug 22 19:11:51 even the 32GiB one now Aug 22 19:11:51 no one has one :( Aug 22 19:12:00 chouchoune: It showed as high price when I clicked Aug 22 19:12:06 mmmhhh ? I've seen it 10 minutes ago Aug 22 19:12:20 I wonder what's that weird hype - why does HP do this? Aug 22 19:12:21 ok Aug 22 19:12:32 DocScrutinizer: they're closing shop Aug 22 19:13:03 They may assume that they have too many to sell at any price over $99 Aug 22 19:13:11 sure, but why does that mean they have to throw hardware at you for free? Aug 22 19:13:19 it's a good question Aug 22 19:13:33 german hp has it, it seems Aug 22 19:13:45 mmmhhh javispedro SpeedEvil I still see some at 99 euros Aug 22 19:13:51 Odd. Aug 22 19:13:55 BUY!!! Aug 22 19:13:56 chouchoune: where Aug 22 19:14:01 Maybe it's doing wierd geoip thingies. Aug 22 19:14:02 http://www.fnac.com/HP-TouchPad-9-7-Tactile-16-Go-WiFi/a3613653/w-4 Aug 22 19:14:12 the main price is 451 Aug 22 19:14:14 Shows as 451 on that page here Aug 22 19:14:20 LOL Aug 22 19:14:23 Sous réserve de disponibilité, expédié sous 4 à 12 jours Aug 22 19:14:26 but after, it says 2 produits neufs à partir de 99 ¤ Aug 22 19:14:55 ah, ok Aug 22 19:15:14 I have one in my basket at <99 euros ;) Aug 22 19:15:14 my little french translates that as "awaiting availability, will ship in 4 to 12 days". Aug 22 19:15:23 chouchoune: I have the 32GiB one on my basket Aug 22 19:15:31 chouchoune: Subject to availability dispatched within 4 to 12 days Aug 22 19:15:43 * DocScrutinizer needs a cheap new radeon X300SE Aug 22 19:15:47 I have both 16 and 32 in basket Aug 22 19:15:54 I thonk it's available because now it's saying it's not available anymoire Aug 22 19:16:19 ah, no Aug 22 19:16:52 I think that your only hope is to find a retailer to ships outside his home country with the old price, and start hitting F5 on their home page. Aug 22 19:17:22 I don't think I will buy one, so I don't care that much ... Aug 22 19:17:28 or wait for all the people that bought one to say 'This is a pile of crap, I bought it a week ago' Aug 22 19:17:29 afaik in EU you're obliged to ship EU wide Aug 22 19:17:43 and then sell em on ebay and such Aug 22 19:17:50 DocScrutinizer: wrong Aug 22 19:18:02 I could have bought a WeTab if it was like that ;) Aug 22 19:18:40 hmm maybe that was about no toll etc Aug 22 19:18:49 yes Aug 22 19:18:57 except for VAT Aug 22 19:19:00 id it ships EU wise, there is no fees Aug 22 19:19:04 yep Aug 22 19:19:12 but it's not forced to sell EU wise Aug 22 19:19:19 :-/ Aug 22 19:19:55 that would be grat, I could easyly buy a N9 if foreign shops sell it EU wise Aug 22 19:20:03 great Aug 22 19:20:27 hiemanshu: they'll get android. as said, it is trivial. so when android runs demand will explode. Aug 22 19:20:38 therefore my only hope is the total incompetence of the android folks ;) Aug 22 19:21:03 javispedro: I would help port meego to it, it would have been an awesome device with a dual core arm processor, and loads of ram and such Aug 22 19:21:10 yesterday they hadn't even found the kernel source, but I think more competent people are joining, so time is running out ;) Aug 22 19:22:01 where is that ? Aug 22 19:22:03 * javispedro decides to go walk for a while Aug 22 19:23:10 there appears to be none available in the UK Aug 22 19:23:41 UNless these rumours of the sale starting on tuesday midnight are true. Aug 22 19:24:54 if anyone gets one order one for me, if multiple people order one for me, I'll buy em all :D Aug 22 20:05:21 vi__: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/touchpad-tablet-pc-32gb-10834969-pdt.html Aug 22 20:05:42 vi__: do it fast Aug 22 20:07:24 Jaffa: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/touchpad-tablet-pc-32gb-10834969-pdt.html Aug 22 20:07:43 hiemanshu: dude, they have none in stock Aug 22 20:07:49 just try some uk postcodes Aug 22 20:07:56 NONE in edinburgh Aug 22 20:08:00 hah Aug 22 20:08:02 NONE in glasgow Aug 22 20:08:04 they are out too :( Aug 22 20:08:07 NONE in london Aug 22 20:08:21 I checked that link an hour ago Aug 22 20:08:31 apparently the sale starts on tuesday morning Aug 22 20:08:53 so perhaps there wont be any stock till tuesday morning Aug 22 20:17:44 vi__: comet seems to have some Aug 22 20:18:45 web site is down Aug 22 20:19:04 works for me Aug 22 20:19:06 but very slow Aug 22 20:20:04 anyways, I am off for the night Aug 22 20:28:40 vi__: pm? Aug 22 20:29:51 am Aug 22 20:30:00 tuesday AM Aug 22 20:30:27 I meant Personal Message :P Aug 22 20:30:56 lols Aug 22 20:36:35 vi__: http://www.webosdaily.com/post/9262209641/hp-will-resupply-retailers-with-touchpads Aug 22 20:36:41 so there might be a chance, afterall Aug 22 20:39:45 hi Aug 22 20:40:16 hi Aug 22 20:41:19 yo Aug 22 20:46:29 hello Aug 22 20:47:00 yo Aug 22 20:47:24 before you ask your question, consider the cow Aug 22 20:47:37 a leg, if you will, in each corner Aug 22 20:47:55 insurance company said they'll give me 300gbp for my N900 being unrepairable. I accepted. Aug 22 20:48:05 I am so sad to be N900-less Aug 22 20:48:53 dashavoo: better than a kick in the balls Aug 22 20:49:24 300 is way more than enough to buy a BRAND NEW N900 AND have enough change for an 8-pack of special brew. Aug 22 20:49:29 dashavoo: Get thee to ebay. :) Aug 22 20:49:44 Or an n900 and a touchpad. Aug 22 20:49:49 If you can find one. Aug 22 20:49:57 lols, all the touchpads are gone bro. Aug 22 20:50:32 ironically, HP now have complete market penetration. Aug 22 20:50:48 hehe Aug 22 20:50:51 all the touchpad needs was a little linux tuning Aug 22 20:51:02 lower the swap here Aug 22 20:51:08 kill a few services there Aug 22 20:52:07 I think I will leave myself N900-less for a while, as painful as it is. As much as I hate to admit it, I need the £300 for other things Aug 22 20:52:49 dashavoo: the N900 council will not forget this treachary easily. Aug 22 20:53:12 vi__: =( Aug 22 20:54:23 I loved my N900, but flights are expensive, and rent is... well... it might be expensive, I need to find a new flat first. Aug 22 21:05:12 hiemanshu: Mrs Jaffa says we have no need, what with the numerous laptops + iPad Aug 22 21:05:15 sid_: could you have an eye on OM server at work? Aug 22 21:05:35 seems the iron is old and flaky Aug 22 21:05:53 Jaffa: hah ok Aug 22 21:06:57 hiemanshu: + 2 N810s + Android cheap tablet + ExoPC (largely unused) Aug 22 21:07:29 Jaffa: ugh, you have so many, and I barely have access to any :/ Aug 22 21:07:36 wait, that rhymes Aug 22 21:28:59 would this vcalendar plugin work on a n900? Aug 22 21:29:04 http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ Aug 22 21:29:15 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/claws-mail-vcalendar.install Aug 22 21:54:08 merlin1991, I decided to drop the cssu Aug 22 21:54:17 wtf? Aug 22 21:54:26 actually, my bouncer just died :p Aug 22 21:54:50 yeah, I was thinking that, but you never can be 99% sure :D Aug 22 21:55:28 but you should get your bouncer hosted somewhere else, you've had quite some downtime in the past few months Aug 22 21:55:42 it's a home server :p Aug 22 21:55:57 oh, and you should actually prepare for the day I drop the CSSU Aug 22 21:56:00 what if elop adopts me Aug 22 21:56:08 true Aug 22 21:56:31 hand over the admin rights for the gitorious project and the ssh keys for the repo acces nao ;) Aug 22 21:56:55 actually did you look into the thing with the gitorious project and adding repositories? Aug 22 21:57:04 nope Aug 22 21:57:12 +cssu-developers has all ticks ticked Aug 22 21:58:04 seems to be a per design thingy then Aug 22 21:58:05 sucks Aug 22 21:58:22 can you set other users as co owners of the project? Aug 22 21:58:57 no idea Aug 22 21:59:19 ah yeah if you ever go onto a festival expecting rain, still bring some sunlotion Aug 22 21:59:28 skinburn sucks :D Aug 22 21:59:56 Ubuntu 11.10 released o_O Aug 22 22:00:16 can't be true Aug 22 22:00:18 I still run some 9.04 iirc Aug 22 22:00:39 and err s/skinburn/sunburn/ Aug 22 22:00:59 Oh, alpha release Aug 22 22:01:10 * javispedro sighs at nokia still sending me "tips" about the n900 Aug 22 22:01:47 "You're using a burning platform, don't forget to wear gloves!" Aug 22 22:10:26 does anyone know how i can get in touch with qole? Aug 22 22:12:03 @qole Aug 22 22:12:09 http://twitter.com/qole Aug 22 22:12:12 (is one way) Aug 22 22:19:02 is there no old-fashioned mail or something..? Aug 22 22:19:20 i'd write to him via talk.maemo.org - but i can't join there... Aug 22 22:24:25 javispedro: kill cherry (app & account) Aug 22 22:24:40 s/cherry/MyNokia/ Aug 22 22:24:41 DocScrutinizer meant: javispedro: kill MyNokia (app & account) Aug 22 22:24:48 but the damage is done, now to unsubscribe I need to do the sms part Aug 22 22:24:55 even though I think I didn't subscribe via cherry Aug 22 22:25:05 nah, yiu can delete the account via web Aug 22 22:25:16 maybe I did check some checkbox when I registered the n900 on the webo Aug 22 22:25:18 *web. Aug 22 22:28:01 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly why the friggin MyNokia button/submenu resurrected in his settings menu, despite NoMyNokia app is evidently installed Aug 22 22:30:28 nicofs, you could DM him asking for an email Aug 22 22:30:55 DM? Aug 22 22:38:22 Direct Message Aug 22 22:38:32 you're not a twitter user eh? :P Aug 22 22:40:21 MohammadAG, no, not really... found out the mail add anyway^^ Aug 23 01:07:33 word Aug 23 01:47:13 hi I'm running n900 maemo 5 PR1.3. I updated some apps. When I resume from a locked screen, I see the message now "package "kernel-power-settings" no found. I don't think I want to update the kernel because I'm dual booting meego, and don't want to break what works. So what should I install to get rid of this message, was it some overclocking type app? Aug 23 01:54:09 omg this asus transformer is great Aug 23 01:54:11 :) Aug 23 01:54:16 where is meego for the transformer Aug 23 01:54:19 heh Aug 23 01:54:28 ask Asus Aug 23 01:55:09 or start a port, there are tegra 2 drivers available now Aug 23 01:57:21 heh. i am joking. honeycomb is actually pretty good Aug 23 01:58:55 allegedly the nokia n950 developer phone appears in the latest transformers movie Aug 23 01:59:42 heh Aug 23 01:59:52 too bad that is probably the only one ever made :) Aug 23 01:59:56 jk Aug 23 02:00:11 i wish nokia would just use their heads sometimes Aug 23 02:00:22 i can't see using meego the way i used maemo with no qwerty Aug 23 02:00:24 i would go nuts Aug 23 02:00:28 about 250 were given out to community developers (only to a quarter of people requesting them) Aug 23 02:00:43 Primes: I'm sure people in here are well aware of that ;) Aug 23 02:00:49 macer I guess if you want qwerty you can tether a bluetooth keyboard? Aug 23 02:00:56 Primes: not the same Aug 23 02:00:57 :) Aug 23 02:01:12 but I think PAYING developers (commercial ones) could still get them Aug 23 02:01:23 don't get me wrong it is a good solution i suppose but sometimes you just want t pull it out the pocket and flip it open Aug 23 02:01:43 you can, but nokia still goes over the requests and you have to be published in the Ovi store Aug 23 02:01:44 like the n900.. which has a surprisingly good qwerty for its size Aug 23 02:01:52 lol Aug 23 02:01:54 I flip open my n900. Typing numbers using the shift key thing is harder Aug 23 02:02:06 the ovi store?? HAHAHA Aug 23 02:02:18 250 of those devs were probably for 1 app ;) Aug 23 02:02:23 no Aug 23 02:02:33 i am trying to think of anything good in the ovi store and it isn't coming to mind Aug 23 02:02:36 is the DC-11(k) charger thing still available? Aug 23 02:02:38 the 250 distributed via meego.com were for open source apps Aug 23 02:02:51 via developer.nokia.com requires more than just signing up and paying Aug 23 02:02:54 true wmarone Aug 23 02:03:26 what MORE does it require? Our company could sign up as a developer. More tempting if I get a n950 out of it Aug 23 02:03:43 are the tegra drivers actually open? Aug 23 02:03:50 you could sign up, but as I said Nokia reviews applications and I believe you have to have something published in the Ovi store Aug 23 02:03:56 Macer: of course not Aug 23 02:04:01 I would be surprised Aug 23 02:04:12 vgrade did get them to do a meego compatible build though Aug 23 02:04:35 hmmmmm, so we can publish some "me too" type simple app. Aug 23 02:04:46 that's kind of nice as long as they stick with thte same kernel ;) Aug 23 02:05:04 which honestly i wouldn't see a need to update the kernel too often Aug 23 02:05:07 the drivers are userspace Aug 23 02:05:15 oh.. wow Aug 23 02:05:20 you can upgrade the kernel, you just have to port the tegra 2 bits Aug 23 02:05:32 now those bits are open, but useless without the userspace binary Aug 23 02:05:43 and this is common across pretty much every SoC GPU Aug 23 02:05:53 * Macer looks at the n900 Aug 23 02:05:59 so you can't up and switch glibc versions, or make ABI changes Aug 23 02:06:01 no wait Aug 23 02:06:02 I'm dualbooting PR1.3 and meego CE. If I upgrade to "power kernel" type stuff I think it can break the workingness? Aug 23 02:06:03 the n810 :) Aug 23 02:06:35 so long as the "power kernel" is only used by Maemo, it shouldn't Aug 23 02:06:42 cause MeeGo CE won't work with the old 2.6.28 kernel that Maemo uses Aug 23 02:07:40 anyway something I noticed from today. When I unlock the screen I now get a message : package "kernel-power-settings" not found! Seems I updated something that tries to use it. Any ideas what? Aug 23 02:08:06 any widgets? Aug 23 02:09:01 I had maxcpu loaded, I uninstalled it but get the same message Aug 23 02:09:52 I'm dualbooting PR1.3 and meego CE. If I upgrade to "power kernel" type stuff I think it can break the workingness? Aug 23 02:10:29 if you use uboot as the way to get dualboot, you can't install the "normal" powerkernel package Aug 23 02:10:34 it will conflict Aug 23 02:10:52 that's what I thought Aug 23 02:11:15 I am using uboot to launch the meego, so I didn't install or want installed the powerkernel stuff Aug 23 02:11:18 uboot-power does install the powerkernel for maemo, while still utilizing uboot Aug 23 02:11:43 so you get meego CE + a maemo with powerkernel Aug 23 02:11:43 something is now complaining it's now loaded. So I now want to locate and uninstall the thing that is complaining Aug 23 02:12:13 ? ? No I don't get that combination because I read it will conflict Aug 23 02:12:40 uhm Aug 23 02:13:04 uboot-power conflicts with uboot, yes, as uboot is provided with uboot-power Aug 23 02:14:37 what is the command (I think it's a variant of dpkg to locate what things depend on kernel-power-settings? Aug 23 02:20:46 I think kernel-power-flasher might be installed, and kernel-power-settings seems not. Aug 23 02:23:17 is there a logfile showing which apps I upgraded today in "upgrade applications" in Faster Application manager? Aug 23 02:38:06 is there a way to retrieve sms that are on the simcard ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:56 2011