**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 02:59:56 2011 Aug 23 06:58:51 priI stongly suggest NOT to install kernel-power-settings Aug 23 06:59:08 priTABTAB Aug 23 06:59:12 grr Aug 23 07:00:21 DocScrutinizer, have you played with mounting ubifs images on N900 itself? Aug 23 07:00:42 played? o Aug 23 07:00:43 no Aug 23 07:00:59 bah :/ thanks Aug 23 07:01:15 what's your question? Aug 23 07:01:42 you know I also never stopped beating my wife Aug 23 07:02:33 This is going to sound stupid but I'm trying to mount an extracted PR1.3 firmware's rootfs image on N900 because I'm a little lazy to get make a custom kernel on my lappy for mounting PR1.3's rootfs :| Aug 23 07:02:44 (I'm single, for those who might have missed the pun) Aug 23 07:03:46 how is that a pun? Aug 23 07:04:25 DocScrutinizer, following this guide with rather mixed results: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 Aug 23 07:05:01 I used mtd_debug instead of dd, created two character files with names /dev/mtd6 && /dev/mtd6ro Aug 23 07:07:02 shit on me.. lol I didn't ubidetach the device and N900 froze for a good while before rebooting. Must've been kpanic Aug 23 07:07:32 help please, I just upgraded the kernel , and can no longer boot Aug 23 07:07:48 can I flash ONLY the kernel? Aug 23 07:08:32 err didn't ubidetach after having mtd_debug first wrote to /dev/mtdblock6 and then ubiattached that. I redid mtd_debug with a more refined but completely forgot to ubidetach first hence the whole freeze and reboot Aug 23 07:08:33 yes Aug 23 07:12:19 good thing it seems like I didn't cause any severe effects it seems running kp48 by pali. On second thoughts I need to kick my backside a little and rather than making N900 do all the hard yards (whilst maintaining 6 ubifs) I should probably solely use laptop Aug 23 07:13:55 psycho_oreos: sorry I completely miss the point of that 2009(!) psot, maybe it's not even meant for N900 Aug 23 07:14:19 anyone done a screen replacement themselves? Any photos of the job? Aug 23 07:15:15 DocScrutinizer, I'm thinking of the exact thing after reading a few posts from the same thread. Nobody indicated they used N900, so I'm guessing that I'm reinventing the wheel by doing it all on N900. I just ssh'ed in and looks like I lost those created special character devices /dev/mtd6 && /dev/mtd6ro. Aug 23 07:15:53 I seriously thought it would be a simple job with dealing ubifs.. guess I was really wrong on the contrary :) Aug 23 07:17:09 psycho_oreos: I completely miss the point, totally all together and I've no time for reading thru it right now. It'd guess using mtd_debug on N900 is probably a sure way to kill your device for good when you don't know what you're doing Aug 23 07:18:02 DocScrutinizer, indeed but I wasn't that stupid/desperate to do it on any of the existing /dev/mtd, hence I created a new one by hand but that didn't work Aug 23 07:18:48 going to try and not perform the same mistake again and see if I can get it going.. failing it the second time I will definitely need to kick myself in the backside and compile custom kernel on me arch lappy Aug 23 07:18:52 how could it, all the space on NAND is used for mtd0..5 Aug 23 07:19:33 *shrugs* I used mknod for that matter, and it seemed to work, even with mtd_debug onto /dev/mtd6 Aug 23 07:20:14 psycho_oreos: FFS where to will mtd_debug write after that? Aug 23 07:20:39 over your kernel? over CAL partition? Aug 23 07:20:53 or *just* over rootfs Aug 23 07:22:42 definitely modprobe mtd* is a friggin nonsense on N900 as the rootfs already is on a mtd Aug 23 07:22:53 DocScrutinizer, if it overwrote those areas apart from rootfs, my device would have been rendered unbootable. Fortunately that wasn't the case so it seems like that data is stored elsewhere Aug 23 07:23:01 so the whole descriptions is NOT meant for N900 Aug 23 07:23:30 HAH Aug 23 07:24:59 honestly, DON'T MESS WITH MTD and MTD_DEBUG UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOURE DOING Aug 23 07:25:49 psycho_oreos: you're aware overwriting CAL *might* brick your N900 for good Aug 23 07:27:11 fyi, if mtd_debug did write onto remaining NAND space which is essentially rootfs spare space it would have outputted a lot less figure with ubiattach. However with 13 or so MB space in NAND (assuming rootfs current setup) and ubiattach reported somewhere around 120MB+ mark I seem doubtful but *shrugs* I never really bothered reading over the fine detail on ubifs Aug 23 07:27:18 DocScrutinizer, yup Aug 23 07:27:46 and in some ways I don't think CAL can be easily overwritten.. but I could be way off the mark there Aug 23 07:28:06 indeed you are Aug 23 07:28:56 with mtd_debug it takes me one cmdline and 5s to *really* brick the device Aug 23 07:29:56 but with using the existing mtd? or a newly created one? Aug 23 07:30:26 dang, where to does the newly created one point????? Aug 23 07:30:56 there IS NO remaining free space for yet another /dev/mtd on N900 Aug 23 07:31:37 see /proc/mtd Aug 23 07:33:46 well with standard setup one can see all mtd used. Aug 23 07:34:11 and sorry no, I have NFC how /dev/mtd gets mapped to actual NAND addr. In uBoot + openembedded there's a kernel cmdline parameter "mtdparts=..." that defines addr for /dev/mtd Aug 23 07:35:09 and you're pretty fsckd regarding hot flashing (under system) if those mtdparts are missing Aug 23 07:35:23 have to run, bbl o/ Aug 23 07:35:53 thanks for input Aug 23 07:37:30 one last thing: I'd guess they emulate NAND in RAM, however no idea *how* they do, maybe with a patched mtd kernel module (modprobe mtd*)? I'd try to simply loopmount the ubifs on my laptop Aug 23 07:38:17 or the whle thing is about maemo on beagleboard or whatever Aug 23 07:41:46 yeah that's what everyone else does. I guess I don't have a choice there but to recompile my kernel to have ubifs and such support, namely mtd. I wonder if scratchbox dev env has that enabled in their kernel Aug 23 07:44:09 DocScrutinizer: hi again Aug 23 07:44:14 remeber me? Aug 23 07:45:03 well. today I was asked to upgrade my power-kernel, which I did and now, I can't boot Aug 23 07:45:19 I got no other phone here and I need it to work again Aug 23 07:49:32 I am at the nokia images page, which to image to choose? Aug 23 07:49:42 what is the eMMC image? Aug 23 07:50:32 29GB: /home/user/MyDocs Aug 23 07:51:15 cityLights: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 23 07:51:43 cityLights: there is always a "latest" in bold written up front Aug 23 07:51:51 can I just use the kernel from it? Aug 23 07:52:01 it doesn't contain kernel Aug 23 07:52:36 how to flash only a kerenl Aug 23 07:52:39 and that's not the latest image as well, not for fiasco Aug 23 07:52:53 and you usually are busted when you flash a kernel without flashing matching modules which are in rootfs Aug 23 07:52:55 it all heppened because I upgraded power kernel Aug 23 07:53:35 can I get the kernel from the power kernel? Aug 23 07:53:37 no, it happened because you have multiboot I'd guess Aug 23 07:53:41 you need: 1) fiasco image of pr1.3 2) flasher-3.5 3) to read flasher-3.5 documentation. You can flash certain portions instead of the whole thing Aug 23 07:53:50 I didnt multiboot Aug 23 07:54:30 so to install mobile hostspot I need power kernel Aug 23 07:54:48 with power kernel installations /lib/modules still retain kernel modules for the original nokia kernel brew Aug 23 07:54:58 great Aug 23 07:55:22 so all I need is the kernel from the power kernel - how to get that? Aug 23 07:55:34 that's not to say that its foolproof but something worthy to note about Aug 23 07:56:06 its inside the power-kernel flasher package iinm Aug 23 07:56:25 if I know how to download the power kernel package the deb file Aug 23 07:57:24 there's simply no point to it because flasher afaik only accepts specific filenames, and neither would simply flashing power-kernel would do the trick. It might even be modules stuffed up Aug 23 07:59:35 ok, so I must flash the kernel and the rootfs Aug 23 08:00:28 it's safer if you do flash both, yes and its guaranteed pretty much to give you a proper restore Aug 23 08:02:51 flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -k "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" Aug 23 08:02:59 WARNING: bad kernel format in RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 23 08:03:22 and you were told about that eMMC image Aug 23 08:03:44 ok, I dont understand Aug 23 08:04:08 I donr want to loose my rootfs, as I got stuff there that I didnt backup yet Aug 23 08:04:28 so I just want to try and flash a kernel for now Aug 23 08:04:31 right? Aug 23 08:04:53 there's no way you would not lose stuff in rootfs. If you flashed it normally with fiasco image, you will erase your rootfs setup. Aug 23 08:05:25 and I told you before that eMMC image does not contain kernel Aug 23 08:07:05 cityLights: eMMC is your home and mydocs... COMBINED is the kernel in Aug 23 08:07:42 and who is to play with his device and NOT backup stuff... Aug 23 08:07:56 its otherwise noted beside the file that its a PR image Aug 23 08:07:57 I would nee some application for bike, where to import GPS data and it shows the way. For maemo. Aug 23 08:10:35 ok, I need a min Aug 23 08:10:42 I just upgraded Aug 23 08:10:46 I didnt backup Aug 23 08:11:02 I am not going to format my entire internal mmc now Aug 23 08:11:09 need to solve this Aug 23 08:11:55 flashing just the kernel won't necessarily solve the issue. If you're lucky enough, it maybe is all that's needed. If not you're still screwed Aug 23 08:13:26 markinfo: something like openstreetmaps capable? or just waypoints Aug 23 08:13:42 actually I recall there was a symlink to current under /lib/modules and it was pointing current to kp. So in theory, DocScrutinizer is still pretty much right :) Aug 23 08:13:46 don't know if columbus supports following waypoints yet Aug 23 08:14:12 ok, I need help now to do this Aug 23 08:14:21 I need help to flash just the kernel Aug 23 08:14:32 ~tell cityLights about flashing Aug 23 08:14:54 chem|st, it would be enough just now waypoints - but openstreet capable would be nice to - here http://www.outdooractive.com/live/Alpregio-Regionskarte/Niederoesterreich are GPS downloadable but how to use that? Aug 23 08:15:39 ehrm I never tried to "follow" waypoints, I just displayed them in mappero Aug 23 08:15:43 as route Aug 23 08:17:15 I'd try mappero, it has an "open" route entry in the menu and asks for a file... Aug 23 08:17:36 ~seen alterego Aug 23 08:17:44 alterego is currently on #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 173 messages. Is idling for 11h 33s, last said: 'Though I'm guessing that's meant for someone else :)'. Aug 23 08:19:35 markinfo: for tracking your own I use gps recorder, offshore columbus comes handy but navigates to only one waypoint and I think without corridor Aug 23 08:20:15 chem|st, i am hurry now - i will try mappero. Aug 23 08:20:55 if there are directions in your waypoints it will talk to you! Aug 23 08:23:33 chem|st, what sort of GPS format should i Take? GPS exchange format .gps ? Aug 23 08:24:30 markinfo: I think it reads most stuff like kmz gpx and so on.. Aug 23 08:24:48 look at t.m.o or package description for more Aug 23 08:25:18 just loading their website... Aug 23 08:26:03 gpx is said featured on the website Aug 23 08:27:52 chem|st, i can not find where to import in mappero GPS data. Aug 23 08:28:41 the bend street icon with the flag at the end is for routing, tap it there "open" Aug 23 08:30:00 chem|st, super - i am very hurry - it shows something. Aug 23 08:30:26 markinfo: \o/ Aug 23 08:31:00 moo chem|st Aug 23 08:31:07 moo DocScrutinizer o Aug 23 08:33:19 hail satellites! indoorfix... Aug 23 08:36:39 hey all Aug 23 08:52:34 chem|st: well, I need to relax first, Aug 23 08:52:57 having your phone go ooo is not easy on a day like today Aug 23 08:53:11 I allready looked at the wiki , and didnt get it Aug 23 08:53:21 maybe in an hr Aug 23 09:00:09 I meent that in http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installation_of_the_stable_kernel_from_extras Aug 23 09:00:43 I also see this line Aug 23 09:00:46 flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F Aug 23 09:01:02 but dont understand from where to get that image file Aug 23 09:02:05 ... from the same place where you saw that eMMC image Aug 23 09:02:09 ~flash Aug 23 09:02:09 from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 09:06:07 2011 Aug 23 09:09:21 tried to follow the wiki Aug 23 09:09:24 sudo flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" Aug 23 09:09:33 got ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages Aug 23 09:10:47 some people never listen and never learn Aug 23 09:11:06 ok ok Aug 23 09:11:22 I will sit later and read the whole wiki page Aug 23 09:13:47 so your advice is just to flash the whole device Aug 23 09:13:53 got it Aug 23 09:14:05 I am trying to salvage the rootfs Aug 23 09:14:21 * psycho_oreos facepalms Aug 23 09:15:28 you were told twice that eMMC image does NOT contain kernel. No matter how many iterations you repeat the same process with the exact same eMMC image the end result is still the same Aug 23 09:15:55 ok Aug 23 09:16:08 so I need to try a non emmc file? Aug 23 09:16:10 which then? Aug 23 09:16:23 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin ? Aug 23 09:16:29 the answer was already written awhile back Aug 23 09:16:36 rather, the hint Aug 23 09:16:51 ok so I need to download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Aug 23 09:17:21 on the same website, do you not see columns, and of one row that has the words `Latest release'? Aug 23 09:17:32 s/row/rows/ Aug 23 09:17:33 psycho_oreos meant: on the same website, do you not see columns, and of one rows that has the words `Latest release'? Aug 23 09:17:49 ffs Aug 23 09:18:07 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin 200305277 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 Aug 23 09:18:44 there should be at least 3 rows with the words `Latest' printed, Look for the one that matches your locality Aug 23 09:19:01 thansk for this help Aug 23 09:19:07 I can now act to solve my issue Aug 23 09:25:17 psycho_oreos: Latest Maemo 5 has five flavors Aug 23 09:25:34 then there is a Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 Aug 23 09:25:37 Has there been a statement from nokia about the developer.nokia.com hack? Aug 23 09:26:20 as yu said I shouldnt try the emmc I dowloaded the Latest Maemo 5 Aug 23 09:26:38 then run sudo flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" Aug 23 09:26:53 Image SW version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_003 Aug 23 09:26:54 ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages Aug 23 09:29:57 cityLights, five localities, US, MENA, India, UK and Global. Aug 23 09:30:28 I tried the MENA and it fialed Aug 23 09:30:31 failed Aug 23 09:30:43 ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided Aug 23 09:31:08 same with US Aug 23 09:31:21 what am I doing wrong? Aug 23 09:33:27 where did you get the flasher tool from Aug 23 09:33:51 better yet, where is it executed from, the device itself? or the computer? Aug 23 10:32:32 psych_oreos: back from lunch Aug 23 10:32:47 psych_oreos: running the flasher from the linux computer Aug 23 10:33:02 got the flasher at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.11.5_i386.deb Aug 23 10:33:13 all info came from maemo wiki Aug 23 10:35:32 cityLights, you tried global firmware? I'm guessing that would probably be the same case..and if it is I'd try the tarballed version of flasher (flasher-3.5 is the one I used and didn't show up anything about APE algorithm) Aug 23 10:41:46 sudo flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" Aug 23 10:41:48 worked Aug 23 10:42:05 dots! Aug 23 10:42:08 YES Aug 23 10:42:21 psycho_oreos: THANKS! Aug 23 10:42:29 psycho_oreos: can I buy you bear! Aug 23 10:43:20 cityLights, wtf a bear :p more like beer would be handy :p Aug 23 10:47:42 sorry Aug 23 10:48:12 can I have the bear if you don't want it? Aug 23 10:48:18 pm me where your from and i will try to send you Aug 23 10:48:36 well, I am traveling to rome in 28 days Aug 23 10:48:41 be happy to pay Aug 23 10:48:46 I'll trade you my bear for your N950 in return or otherwise no deal ;) Aug 23 10:49:05 cityLights, forget it :) I live all the way on the other side of the hemisphere lol Aug 23 10:51:05 wish I had appllied for the N950 in time Aug 23 10:51:14 but, yes, I should backup Aug 23 10:51:53 hahaha chem|st is all quiet now that I made my terms of wanting that bear clear ;) Aug 23 10:55:06 well, I like to thank you both guys Aug 23 10:55:17 for this and previous times Aug 23 10:55:35 back to coding in ec2 and trying to make som things work Aug 23 11:50:55 ok, I fixed maemo-update-resolvconf in openvpn Aug 23 11:51:00 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1075215#post1075215 Aug 23 11:51:08 how to submit it upstream/ Aug 23 11:51:09 ? Aug 23 11:55:14 make a bug report , attach the patch ? Aug 23 12:00:40 hmm, FF's draging and dropping a page is slightly retarded under Linux, rather than getting some sort of shortcut I get a copy of the page's html Aug 23 12:20:55 good morning Aug 23 12:22:00 morning Termana Aug 23 13:23:16 pre 3 @ 75£! Aug 23 13:24:25 the question is where Aug 23 13:24:38 2 rumours Aug 23 13:24:42 this friday Aug 23 13:24:57 or a shop I am watching, have a decision by 5 tonight (UK) Aug 23 13:26:01 does it even come with xterm? Aug 23 14:02:27 pree three free Aug 23 14:02:55 DocScrutinizer: where? Aug 23 14:03:04 in my rhyming brain Aug 23 14:03:13 o Aug 23 14:04:22 honestly I never knew pre3 is a reality, and though it seems to be now I wonder who'd be interested in this definitely stillborn platform Aug 23 14:07:56 well if it is 50eur I would give it a try... Aug 23 14:08:11 chem|st: More like 75 I am afraid. Aug 23 14:08:22 Unfortunatley ALL german stock has been sold. Aug 23 14:08:44 amazon has it listed for sept 5th for much more Aug 23 14:54:21 So if a big part of the TouchPad's shittiness comes from first boot slowness Aug 23 14:54:37 and that's due to indexing, etc Aug 23 14:54:55 and assuming they're flashing a predictable firmware image. Aug 23 14:55:09 Why wouldn't the index be part of that image? Aug 23 14:55:25 ask Nokia! Aug 23 14:55:29 they used to do the same Aug 23 14:55:48 GAN900: btw, got lucky? Aug 23 14:55:59 No Aug 23 14:56:10 I stopped trying after Saturday Aug 23 14:56:34 too much important shit to do to deal with a Wii-like retail insanity like that. Aug 23 14:56:41 :) Aug 23 15:07:16 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/google_forums/ Aug 23 15:20:01 anyone got an example to a singleton Qt class? Aug 23 15:23:39 the TP wannabes even order at full price and then hold store clerk's children to ransom until they price match Aug 23 15:23:42 * javispedro cannot compete with that Aug 23 15:23:54 well, maybe if I tried to cause world war 3... Aug 23 15:34:31 oh nice, my laptop battery needs a replacement, or at least that's what P.O.S.T., KDE and Windows are saying Aug 23 15:38:49 MohammadAG: rip it open, replace cells & reset IC. Aug 23 15:40:33 ironically, webOS now has maximum market penetration. Aug 23 15:42:26 vi___, I'd rather find a replacement :P Aug 23 15:42:59 * MohammadAG ponders bring an open Harmattan mediaplayer to fremantle Aug 23 15:43:16 *vi__ nods, sage like. Aug 23 15:43:28 ^ / me Aug 23 15:44:33 You know what os really a bitch? When people hardcode screen resolution in SDL games. Makes porting 'em a whole fuck harder. Aug 23 15:44:42 s/os/is Aug 23 15:44:47 s/os/is/ Aug 23 15:44:48 vi___ meant: s/is/is Aug 23 15:44:53 -_- Aug 23 15:46:35 why not deploy ready-done index? If your data isn't tightly locked to the index (e.g combined vs vanilla image) then you better not ship an index that doesn't match Aug 23 15:47:01 also it allows you image to be smaller. Aug 23 15:47:09 vi___: maximum Android market penetration Aug 23 15:47:12 indeed Aug 23 15:47:22 javispedro: ? Aug 23 15:48:04 vi___: all of the major news site reporting on the android on touchpad stuff more than webos update planned news Aug 23 15:49:00 javispedro: and to think my girlfriend didnt want to get one on account of the fact that it didnt have 'droid and it 'may' be ported in the future... Aug 23 15:51:45 I want one :( Aug 23 15:55:29 my opinion of android and specially of android devs has gotten even lower in these two previous days Aug 23 15:58:37 I guess that's hardly possible for mine Aug 23 16:00:17 though as always this of course is an undue generalisation Aug 23 16:00:36 javispedro: wjat has happened JP? Aug 23 16:00:52 s/wjat/what/ Aug 23 16:00:53 vi___ meant: javispedro: what has happened JP? Aug 23 16:01:00 it's rather too degrading for them to explain publicly. Aug 23 16:01:16 Is this the whole closed source honeycomb thing? Aug 23 16:01:49 suffice to say that I've been called troll a few times for stating what I was able to do Aug 23 16:02:21 and that I've had to tell a few times I was the preenv guy so that they started to believe me, something I don't like to do. Aug 23 16:02:36 but either way, I already called it a day. Aug 23 16:04:23 lol Aug 23 16:04:42 sounds like #*droid Aug 23 16:06:57 JP, wtf are you on about? Aug 23 16:07:39 vi___: talking about the android on touchpad gentlemen. Aug 23 16:07:56 it's alway android folks when it comes to completely nuking sth several generations of highly educated unix developers built up, as those guys found a better way to do it. That's why I hate android Aug 23 16:09:32 one funny thing is how they always start with, "the kernel", "the kernel". Aug 23 16:09:32 let's swap scheduler for something new, the ones that are used so far in unix/linux are all braindamaged, but we now have a new thing called linked list and that cuts it, really. Aug 23 16:10:42 is QWidget::setParent safe to use? Aug 23 16:10:46 we already tested it in android and it performs like mad, now I want to replace the openmoko kernel's scheduler so it will profit of andoid's divine awesomeness Aug 23 16:11:26 MohammadAG: on X11 it should be quite safe to use Aug 23 16:11:41 to avoid any WTFs on recipient's side Aug 23 16:11:42 but.. Aug 23 16:11:53 no idea about the new Qt versions. Aug 23 16:12:58 grr Aug 23 16:13:28 in an attempt to make the nowplayingwindow a singleton class in my mediaplayer, I broke it Aug 23 16:13:36 I'm pretty sure it's a Qt bug though Aug 23 16:15:44 hm Aug 23 16:16:12 not sure how that kind of stuff is done in Qt Aug 23 16:17:49 I'm done with the class, but stacked windows are showing on top of each other now Aug 23 16:18:49 honestly I often wonder: in the 'old days' unix was pretty OK with running on a 5MHz CPU with 512k of RAM and a 10MB disk (to give some ballpark numbers). Back when, concepts got developed how to deal with scarce resources. Then devices got GB of storage and even RAM and GHz of CPU grunt even on embedded, and those old concepts were long forgotten. But would you think now when devels notice they managed to bloat their system to a degree it Aug 23 16:18:50 doesn't perform even on those GHz&GB monsters they would recal those oldies but goodies? no way, they prefer to invent incredibly weird new stuff, optification is just a minor example of a fix to a non-issue Aug 23 16:21:32 * DocScrutinizer notices he's in a particularly ranting mood today Aug 23 16:25:31 DocScrutinizer: to be honest, the unix of old did not have desktop environment to speak of, if you do not count twm or fvwm - and with X it wanted at least 4MB anyway, did not it? Aug 23 16:26:25 or maybe just *linux* on console wanted at least 4MB to install Aug 23 16:28:35 edheldil: I knew somebody would reply along that line - nevertheless I think it's irrelevant as adding in GFX didn't change anything basically. The *only* thing that fundamentally changed since the very first days of unix is nowadays CPU's are supposed to throttle and sometimes even suspend, and "computers" aren't meant to be online 24/7/366 Aug 23 16:30:10 that's why ntpd nowadays isn't the measure of choice to keep time of your smartphone Aug 23 16:31:08 DocScrutinizer: What's happened is that developers have made oodles of tools to speed up development, on the old addage that programmer time is more expensive than computer time. Aug 23 16:31:47 And these tools use a ton of unneccesary resources, but make things easier on the developer. Aug 23 16:31:53 At least, that's the intent. Aug 23 16:32:33 yup, and RAM is more cheap than developer manpower as well. Alas RAM is not a multiplicative resource, while a well written program is Aug 23 16:32:40 DocScrutinizer: having GSM network available running ntpd to get exact time is a bit redundant, ain't it? Aug 23 16:32:51 Personally, I think at this point they muck things up, but marketers know that software that looks shiny will sell much better than software that runs well, so here we are. Aug 23 16:33:06 afk Aug 23 16:33:56 software gets only more bloated, that was evident when first Windows came ;-) Aug 23 16:35:40 This is why I had to write my own playlist-building media player as a shell script for the N770. All the players available used more memory than the tablet had. Aug 23 16:36:23 now that we have 1 GiB on the N950, expect bloat to increase tendfold! Aug 23 16:37:08 But I'm a grumpy old man when it comes to computers. Heck, up intil a month age my main desktop computer was 600mHz with 320MB of RAM. Aug 23 16:37:34 s/age/ago Aug 23 16:39:51 lol.. mine still is :P Aug 23 16:40:03 512MB ram **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 23 16:51:08 2011 Aug 23 17:00:12 ping Aug 23 17:00:14 hello Aug 23 17:04:24 hey mece Aug 23 17:41:50 Why do I need an account to pay a bill online with someplace I'm never gonna be again. . . . Aug 23 17:42:24 GAN950: buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy! Aug 23 18:01:15 javispedro, GAN900 / GAN950 got an HP touchpad? Aug 23 18:01:27 not here Aug 23 18:01:41 c'mon people, we need to start porting Android!!! Aug 23 18:01:46 * javispedro kills MohammadAG Aug 23 18:01:48 * MohammadAG hides Aug 23 18:01:54 too late Aug 23 18:02:04 also, a grue ate you while in your hiding place Aug 23 18:02:13 classmate's gonna see if he can get one for me from BestBuy CA Aug 23 18:02:27 just ONE? Aug 23 18:02:33 one for each bathroom! Aug 23 18:02:47 I wish I could afford them Aug 23 18:03:07 well, I wish prepaid cards could go over the $250 limit so I could afford them Aug 23 18:03:41 buying the N900 was hard Aug 23 18:04:21 earthquake! Aug 23 18:04:38 sure that wasn't the N950 email vibra? Aug 23 18:04:56 caused, obviously, by millions of touchpad wannebes receiving the news of no more stock at best buy. Aug 23 18:08:36 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/samsung_battles_apple_with_kubrick/ <-- lol Aug 23 18:27:34 well. moo. Aug 23 18:36:49 javispedro: Hey, one of my friends just felt that earthquake. Aug 23 18:36:57 Well, not 'just'. Aug 23 18:37:02 moo RST38h Aug 23 18:37:41 edwinsage: seems that it might be important Aug 23 18:38:11 javispedro: I looked it up, there was a 5.9 in Virginia at 1:51 EST. Aug 23 18:38:42 I'm impressed that it made her place shake here in Michigan though. Aug 23 18:42:02 wasn't it in DC? Aug 23 18:47:04 grr Aug 23 18:47:18 Harmattan goes from ringing to active to none on a missed call Aug 23 18:47:21 same as when aswering Aug 23 18:47:29 answering* Aug 23 18:52:43 is Com.Nokia.Telephony.CallUi documented somewhere? Aug 23 18:55:59 MohammadAG: I read that you developped a facebook program (called socialize?) for the N900, but now I can't find the post nor your code. If that is correct, where is the code? Thanks. Aug 23 18:57:02 sociality, my project was originally called qtbook Aug 23 18:57:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72842 https://gitorious.org/qtbook/qtbook Aug 23 18:57:21 thanks Aug 23 18:57:50 Got it Aug 23 18:58:07 ActiveCallUpdated: 1st parameter is number that's calling you Aug 23 18:58:28 2nd parameter is call state, 0 = ringing, 3 = answered, 5 and 6 = ended Aug 23 18:58:55 3rd parameter (uint) is possibly the call ID, which is always 0 unless the call is answered Aug 23 18:59:34 4th parameter is a boolean, that's always false, so idk Aug 23 18:59:55 a way to listen to missed calls is either state going from 0 to 5 and then 6 without the 3 in between, but that might also mean the call was rejected Aug 23 19:02:42 the only way to me is from 0 -> 5 -> 6 + call ID = 0 + eventsAdded signal Aug 23 19:44:43 MohammadAG: DC area and/or Virginia. Aug 23 20:01:41 smart reflex is causing my new n900 to reboot randomly even at 600MHz. My old one sat at 805 no problem. Does this mean I have a shit N900? Aug 23 20:03:03 out of interest, which hw revision vi___? Aug 23 20:03:44 vi___: smartreflex is broken by design Aug 23 20:03:50 vi___: and overclocking is bad for you Aug 23 20:05:06 what easiets way to find hw revision? Aug 23 20:05:10 easiest* Aug 23 20:05:13 cat /proc/cpuinfo Aug 23 20:06:07 ah thanks Aug 23 20:06:13 2101 here, what does that mean? Aug 23 20:06:41 should my serial be all 0's? :s Aug 23 20:07:52 dunno if hw revision matters at all. Aug 23 20:10:06 seems there's feeling that 2101 is more pron to usb fall-out than the rest :/ Aug 23 20:10:18 bugger :'( Aug 23 20:10:27 there's a reason why smartreflex is disabled by default Aug 23 20:10:28 s/pron/prone/ Aug 23 20:10:28 Sicelo meant: seems there's feeling that 2101 is more prone to usb fall-out than the rest :/ Aug 23 20:10:40 no more connecting the USB cable for me then! Aug 23 20:11:54 hi Aug 23 20:12:16 anyone here compiled an app that has libpcap dependancies in scratchbox before? Aug 23 20:12:26 no, i think you just have to be careful. besides, i don't even know if this is a confirmed fact.. as i said, "general feeling" Aug 23 20:12:40 why doesn't # work with this? -> "dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$NUMBER" uint32:0" Aug 23 20:14:16 trying touse '#' with number but it doesn't work, ideas? Aug 23 20:19:38 ?? Aug 23 20:19:46 I have a 2104? Aug 23 20:19:53 what does that have to do with SR? Aug 23 20:20:06 Vib3: because numbers don't have "#" Aug 23 20:23:34 but you can dial it from UI and it works jacekowski Aug 23 20:23:45 I have 2104, never tried OC and I don't want to. Only weird stuff is that during a normal bootup, just before X, I see (sometimes) the orange LED blinking, it becomes green and disappears after that. I never noticed such behaivior on my old N900. Aug 23 20:23:48 you're not dialing this numbers Aug 23 20:23:52 these are ussd codes Aug 23 20:25:38 ohh, so #31# sets mode in phone to hide number jacekowski? Aug 23 20:26:50 no Aug 23 20:27:01 it's requesting service from network Aug 23 20:27:17 but because ussd in n900 barely works then i doubt there is any dbus api for them Aug 23 20:27:49 k, works fine though from UI Aug 23 20:28:19 it wasn't working just half a year ago Aug 23 20:28:50 yea starhash-enabler app was needed Aug 23 20:30:15 anyone know how to fix "undefined reference to `pcap_create'" in scratchbox? Aug 23 20:30:24 I've installed libpcap0.8-dev Aug 23 20:30:51