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Aug 25 07:31:29 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: nvm the codes should all work since pr1.2
Aug 25 07:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> the 3 digit USSD codes yes. Not so the 2digit SC
Aug 25 07:33:56 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: some like *96#?
Aug 25 07:34:01 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 25 07:34:15 <chem|st> wasnt that to get the device serial or some
Aug 25 07:34:24 <psycho_oreos> no
Aug 25 07:34:28 <DocScrutinizer> nfc what's 96
Aug 25 07:34:53 <DocScrutinizer> generally queries are with a leading *#
Aug 25 07:35:00 <psycho_oreos> *#06# is imei, *96# is probably SIM contacts
Aug 25 07:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> while "on"=*
Aug 25 07:35:07 <DocScrutinizer> and "off"=#
Aug 25 07:36:37 <chem|st> I tried all codes my provider makes use of and I could ever need and even the *<somedigits>*<myphonenumber>*<2digits># worked to change the combox timeout
Aug 25 07:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> ["*" "#" "*#"]NN[("*"<param>)]* "#"
Aug 25 07:37:54 <chem|st> phones still use all this stuff but the user doesn't see it anymore
Aug 25 07:38:12 <chem|st> but there was a mess with fwd'ish behaviour was it?
Aug 25 07:39:13 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: hmm thought it was one of the s/n things, not imei, the SIM SN or something
Aug 25 07:39:25 <chem|st> imei is the chips networkserial
Aug 25 07:40:34 <chem|st> got no device handy where those work
Aug 25 07:41:09 <khertan> Morning
Aug 25 07:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> see tmo thread (aka "bugtracker") of *#-ena
Aug 25 07:41:32 <khertan> i know i ll be out of topic ... but what is the lifetime of a sd card ?
Aug 25 07:41:41 <DocScrutinizer> the referred paper has it all
Aug 25 07:42:13 <khertan> Dvd backup aren't real backup ... (unreadable after one year)
Aug 25 07:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> aaah stoarge durability
Aug 25 07:42:37 <khertan> yeah ... 
Aug 25 07:42:43 <khertan> i m facing a problem now
Aug 25 07:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> probably >5 years
Aug 25 07:42:54 <khertan> hum ... not so bad
Aug 25 07:43:04 <DocScrutinizer> soe at a cool place
Aug 25 07:43:25 * khertan is thinking of buying a few 8Gb sd card to do backup
Aug 25 07:43:25 <DocScrutinizer> it's electrical charge that can vanish over time
Aug 25 07:43:26 <khertan> :)
Aug 25 07:43:32 <DocScrutinizer> store* DANG
Aug 25 07:43:58 <DocScrutinizer> better use good old magnetic HDD
Aug 25 07:44:00 <khertan> electrical charge could vanish even stored in a protected bag ?
Aug 25 07:44:17 <DocScrutinizer> supposed lifespan shelf storage >30 years
Aug 25 07:44:23 <khertan> DocScrutinizer, yeah ... supposed
Aug 25 07:44:50 <khertan> DocScrutinizer, i got one the both drive i use for the backup which died
Aug 25 07:45:18 <khertan> it was written 5 or 6 time ...
Aug 25 07:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> from stowing away in a shelf for years? unlikely
Aug 25 07:45:33 <khertan> and wasn't use seens 1 years ...
Aug 25 07:45:46 <khertan> when use it ... power ... pouf ...
Aug 25 07:45:51 <khertan> controller card died :)
Aug 25 07:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> dang
Aug 25 07:45:58 <khertan> so yeah data is still here
Aug 25 07:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> you can replace controller though
Aug 25 07:46:09 <khertan> i recover them
Aug 25 07:46:10 <chem|st> khertan: some like 10k-100k ZERO bits
Aug 25 07:46:51 <DocScrutinizer> controllers also have flash storage which will vanish after 5..20 years, so yeah :-S
Aug 25 07:47:02 <chem|st> khertan: I killd on on first sight, the second after a month, 1TB backup disk
Aug 25 07:47:29 <khertan> oups
Aug 25 07:47:45 <DocScrutinizer> while data on magnetic media survives for centuries, your controller is prone to "die" from vanishing firmware after "short" time
Aug 25 07:47:51 <chem|st> and the crank people had not attached a sata-usb adapter they put an usb-controller on to the 2.5" disk
Aug 25 07:50:10 <khertan> so there is no real way to store things
Aug 25 07:50:38 <khertan> without copying them on new storage every years
Aug 25 07:51:08 <chem|st> khertan: write with "real" ink on pyruspaper survived centuries
Aug 25 07:51:30 <khertan> i mean digital things
Aug 25 07:51:43 <chem|st> the worse is CD or DVD burning
Aug 25 07:51:53 <khertan> i didn't see any printer which are able to print video on pyruspaper :)
Aug 25 07:51:58 <khertan> chem|st, yep i know
Aug 25 07:52:00 <chem|st> after that is usb-pendrives
Aug 25 07:52:09 <chem|st> then ssd
Aug 25 07:52:20 <chem|st> then print DVD
Aug 25 07:52:28 <chem|st> then hdd
Aug 25 07:52:41 <khertan> usb pendrives isn't secure .... specially with all bad chineese chipset
Aug 25 07:52:44 <khertan> hdd ...
Aug 25 07:52:52 <chem|st> leaving out the casettes /dev/null things...
Aug 25 07:54:00 <psycho_oreos> you could do what the egyptians et. al. have done for centuries, carving words onto stone bricks :p they will last almost an eternity
Aug 25 07:54:14 <chem|st> best is SOTA hdd attached when backup time is and stored on a shelf far away from microwaves and othe e-magnetic things
Aug 25 07:54:52 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets...
Aug 25 07:55:11 <psycho_oreos> wtf wrong keys.. anyway.. SOTA?
Aug 25 07:55:13 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets...
Aug 25 07:55:18 <chem|st> state of the art
Aug 25 07:55:54 <psycho_oreos> chem|st, not if you build a city of data underground and have all these writings carved beneath earth's surface ;)
Aug 25 07:56:16 <chem|st> as long as there is pci I will be able to look at my backups back from 1992
Aug 25 07:56:29 <khertan> yeah but will not resist to an earth quake
Aug 25 07:57:35 <chem|st> 5 1/4" x2 HDD 32A starting current^^ scsi2
Aug 25 07:57:46 <psycho_oreos> strategically located `data stones' where they are nowhere near the fault lines can be deemed almost invulnerable ;)
Aug 25 07:58:07 <chem|st> you have to set the controller to spinup dealy of 500ms or you kill one PSU after another
Aug 25 08:13:39 <DocScrutinizer51> konttori_work: morning :)
Aug 25 08:14:51 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: Starting current if 5 1/4" HDs was nowhere near that high
Aug 25 08:15:08 <konttori_work> DocScrutinizer51: MORNING!
Aug 25 08:16:57 <konttori_work> the shader plugin for qt4.7 is pretty neat. I need to try it out later today. 
Aug 25 08:17:00 <konttori_work> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qml1-shadersplugin/blobs/master/examples/shadereffects/qml/shadereffects/WaterEffect.qml
Aug 25 08:17:25 <konttori_work> Need to finally install qt sdk to my work macbook pro. 
Aug 25 08:29:23 <edheldil> If anybody is interested how the film studios do solve the digital storage problem - they copy the digital data (i.e. CGI models, textures, ...) to films and store them in data retention facilities. The durability of a film is at least 100years
Aug 25 08:30:08 <edheldil> also magnetic tapes (e.g. LTO) have data retention measured in tens of years, I think.
Aug 25 08:30:30 <radiofree> the durability isn't 100 years if rats nibble through the tape
Aug 25 08:31:55 <edheldil> Storage on magnetic discs has also a problem with bearing lubricants, they are not designed for a long time storage without spinning them up ocassionally
Aug 25 08:32:33 <jpinx-out> 3why not use extra big dvd's'
Aug 25 08:32:41 <edheldil> radiofree:  but the same holds for pergames and papyrus as well
Aug 25 08:33:06 <edheldil> jpinx-out:  their durability is abysmal
Aug 25 08:34:45 <edheldil> long term data retention is a BIG problem nowadays, because we produce so much data, that copying to anything durable (like titan tablets) is problematic
Aug 25 08:35:10 <jpinx-out> for long term I suppose it is important to increase the size of the format so that the detail is not lost
Aug 25 08:39:32 <jacekowski> well, thing is, what is worth storing for long term
Aug 25 08:39:36 <jacekowski> all pr0n we produced?
Aug 25 08:39:43 <jacekowski> or crappy hollywood movies?
Aug 25 08:40:43 <edheldil> this is perhaps what I read about it long ago: http://www.oscars.org/science-technology/council/projects/digitaldilemma/index.html
Aug 25 08:42:27 <edheldil> jacekowski:  that depends on your preferences, of course. Generally the data you can reasonably expect to need in some distant future and which are imossible or costly to recreate
Aug 25 08:44:13 <edheldil> the problem with our civilization is that we produce data on opurselves on media which will perish after only few years - be it literature, art ...
Aug 25 08:46:00 <edheldil> If I remember it correctly, some data from pioneer years of space exploration are simply lost - including the construction plans for US spacecrafts or st. like that
Aug 25 08:48:39 <edheldil> original ciphertext enigma messages from Bletchley park were destroyed, so what officially remains from that big heap of cipher material, is some odd hundred or so of messages
Aug 25 08:48:41 <edheldil> and so on
Aug 25 08:52:33 <edheldil> you can well imagine, that without active preservation efforts, there won't be practically any data left from us in 500 or 1000 eyars
Aug 25 08:55:17 * edheldil stops ranting. Sorry  :-)
Aug 25 08:56:26 <KrayonWork> I'm SOO depressed now
Aug 25 08:56:27 <KrayonWork> :P
Aug 25 08:57:52 <jacekowski> we will be extinct like dinosaurs
Aug 25 09:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> definitely
Aug 25 09:11:12 <DocScrutinizer> in 1000 years future generations will still be able to find - and decipher - hieroglyphs of old Egypt, but there'll be left *very* little data from our time. Unless somebody takes care of creating a new backup clone of the whole $RANDOM_ARCHIVE every ~5 years
Aug 25 09:13:29 <DocScrutinizer> somewhere in Iceland or some other northern European country (IIRC) there's a project where they store all sorts of data printed on microfiche rolled up and sealed in stainless steel tubes, in a bunker.
Aug 25 09:14:17 <DocScrutinizer> that's supposed to last for at least 1000 years
Aug 25 09:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> deciphering/read_out is rather simple and no problem to even reverse-engineer in 2000 or 5000 years, unlike e.g. mp3 or pdf
Aug 25 09:19:08 <DocScrutinizer> while I had no hope at all to recover the data from a super high quality philips compact cassette I used for storing that data from a ZX81 in 1990 or sth, and that's just 20some years ago. Even worse for same storage media when used with my old NASCOM computer
Aug 25 09:19:45 <Vib3> edheldil: http://millenniata.com/m-disc/
Aug 25 09:20:44 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: manual said some between 26-32A on 12V + 5V
Aug 25 09:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> even if you had done the "right thing" and stored your data to a HDD some few decades ago, you'll hardly find a computer supporting the MFM or RLL interface of this old HDD nowadays
Aug 25 09:24:30 <svuorela> hi peoples. slightly offtopic, but, anyone knows if there is a place that sells spare parts (screen) for n900 ?
Aug 25 09:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> svuorela: mompls
Aug 25 09:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=1
Aug 25 09:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/
Aug 25 09:26:15 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.ersatzteil-service-24.de/?url=http://shop.euras.com/detailsseite2.php?redirect=1&pic=Y41070&vgl=1&g7=839472N
Aug 25 09:27:00 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html
Aug 25 09:27:40 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.acceport.com/product_info.php?language=en&currency=USD&products_id=1836
Aug 25 09:28:26 <svuorela> hmm... a screen looks quite expensive as a sparepart.
Aug 25 09:30:54 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: ah what you mean is the spinup I guess, those disks took ~22sec to spin up... and the current was nothing near 20A...
Aug 25 09:31:18 <svuorela> ...my current screen seems to have stopped working in my n900. backlight seems to be working, but there is no actual signal to the display showing anything
Aug 25 09:32:03 <DocScrutinizer> svuorela: yes, the LCD is >>USD50, the digitizer aka resistive touchpanel aka front glass also >>USD30
Aug 25 09:32:59 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: try to find a specs sheet of the disks I had....
Aug 25 09:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> svuorela: that however (blank screen though backlight works) might be related to flexible plastic connector "cable"
Aug 25 09:34:07 * KrayonWork tip for the day: when your N900 starts doing random keypresses, don't assume it screwed - first confirm your cheap and nasty bluetooth keyboard that's in your bag is actually turned off properly :P
Aug 25 09:34:23 <jpinx> heh
Aug 25 09:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: very old SCSI drives (the 8" type with maybe 20MB) well took >200W of power
Aug 25 09:34:48 <KrayonWork> I was stressing because I love my lil' N900
Aug 25 09:34:52 <svuorela> DocScrutinizer: interesting. is it a thing that can go 'loose' or a thing that can break ?
Aug 25 09:35:05 <DocScrutinizer> it usually breaks
Aug 25 09:35:51 <svuorela> and what's the sparepart for that? or is it only available with a display?
Aug 25 09:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html
Aug 25 09:38:09 <jpinx> svuorela: http://www.siansmobiles.co.uk
Aug 25 09:38:46 <jpinx> svuorela: I just ordered a new lcd for about 450 delivered to Thailand
Aug 25 09:39:05 <jpinx> for about $50
Aug 25 09:39:24 <jpinx>  http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html
Aug 25 09:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> ownta not exactly most economic seller right ATM
Aug 25 09:39:56 <DocScrutinizer> but the first addr to find such things
Aug 25 09:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> you might find cheaper via fleabay
Aug 25 09:40:30 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I think it was 5 1/4" full size... (or is full size 8"?)
Aug 25 09:40:42 <KrayonWork> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Camera-Flex-Cable-Flat-Ribbon-NOKIA-N900-/320667231257?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa941a419
Aug 25 09:41:05 <chem|st> the fujitsu 1GB still sell for $80
Aug 25 09:41:27 <KrayonWork> ~$17 - $20 odd on eBay it would seem.
Aug 25 09:43:45 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: @24V often
Aug 25 09:43:49 <SpeedEvil> usually
Aug 25 09:48:41 <crashanddie> sup people
Aug 25 09:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> moo crashanddie 
Aug 25 09:49:01 <SpeedEvil> Steve Jobs is to be appointed new CEO of Nokia.
Aug 25 09:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: guess what - it's been the motherboard, not the X300 graphics card :-/
Aug 25 09:50:14 <crashanddie> dayum
Aug 25 09:50:29 <jpinx> SpeedEvil: I wish...  ;)
Aug 25 09:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: plugged in the HD5450, worked without any driver installation to some extent (guess xserver used VESA fallback), then I changed BIOS settings to full fledged POST and VGA-POST-on-resume, and that killed the mobo
Aug 25 09:52:41 <DocScrutinizer> resetting BIOS by removing CR2032 and jumper-dance didn't cure the issue
Aug 25 09:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> board not even beeped anymore on POST
Aug 25 09:56:40 <elysion_> hi! does anyone know how to mute an incoming call on n900?
Aug 25 09:56:55 <elysion_> I've been googling for a good while, but cannot find any API for this
Aug 25 09:57:42 <psycho_oreos> I know how to mute it without using API, you just flip N900 upside down :)
Aug 25 09:57:57 <crashanddie> Fuck me
Aug 25 09:58:13 <crashanddie> Touchpad ordered, confirmed, yada yada yada
Aug 25 09:58:19 <psycho_oreos> o.O
Aug 25 09:58:19 <elysion_> psycho_oreos: sadly cannot make the phone flip by using only software :/
Aug 25 09:58:28 <crashanddie> Now I called the shop to see what the status was, and they tell me "we had some yesterday, but they're all gone"
Aug 25 09:58:37 <crashanddie> so why the fuck would they sell them if I've paid for them. fuckers.
Aug 25 09:59:40 <psycho_oreos> elysion_, its not a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. There has to be some other ways I think, maybe knownokia.ca blog may have information on it
Aug 25 09:59:44 <psycho_oreos> lol they're lazy
Aug 25 10:03:12 <psycho_oreos> crashanddie, are they going to refund your money?
Aug 25 10:03:18 <crashanddie> hah
Aug 25 10:03:18 <crashanddie> well
Aug 25 10:03:28 <crashanddie> of course they are
Aug 25 10:03:56 <psycho_oreos> good at least its not like they'll try and run away denying it all ;)
Aug 25 10:04:15 <chem|st> elysion_: grep the call when incoming call and flip, and make a script with it...
Aug 25 10:04:40 <crashanddie> psycho_oreos, I paid by credit card, so I can tell my bank to stuff them
Aug 25 10:04:47 <chem|st> 1st is "dbus" call...
Aug 25 10:05:05 <psycho_oreos> lol even better
Aug 25 10:05:17 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/25/nokia_launches_100_101_cheapest_phones_yet/ <-- hmm might be nice as a backup phone
Aug 25 10:05:29 <crashanddie> psycho_oreos, though, I hate what's happening, because when we went in to order at 9.29AM 9the shop opens at 9.30), all the sales guys were gleaming because they'd bought all the tablets in stock before the shop opened
Aug 25 10:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> elysion_: open ssh via WLAN, call phone, fire " dbus-monitor --system >dbuslog_sys.txt&   dbus-monitor --session >dbuslog_sess.txt&" in ssh, mute phone by flipping it screen down, kill %1 %2 in ssh, stop caling phone, scrutinize the generated logs for the proper dbus-msg to trigger muting
Aug 25 10:05:45 <crashanddie> which I guess, is fair enough. They work there, they deserve to get some benefits
Aug 25 10:06:02 <crashanddie> But if they can't put 3 fucking tablets away for people who were obviously as excited as they were
Aug 25 10:06:06 <crashanddie> Is just stupid
Aug 25 10:06:52 <elysion_> DocScrutinizer: that is what I have been trying to do
Aug 25 10:07:01 <elysion_> but haven't had much luck yet
Aug 25 10:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Aug 25 10:07:29 <DocScrutinizer> then it's probably sth mce does internally, so nothing shows up on dbus
Aug 25 10:07:49 <chem|st> crashanddie: what tablets..
Aug 25 10:08:02 <DocScrutinizer> "mission control" comes to mind. Don't ask me why
Aug 25 10:08:22 <psycho_oreos> crashanddie, they're probably desperate to either resell it or keep it for themselves. Being a sales staff I suppose with direct access to the store's inventory, its no wonder that it can severely piss customers off when the customers simply couldn't go around and collect it but instead wait in a queue
Aug 25 10:09:15 <crashanddie> Considering I spent nearly 4 grand in that store in less than 6 months, I was expecting a bit more respect, frankly.
Aug 25 10:11:02 <crashanddie> Anyway
Aug 25 10:11:05 <crashanddie> lunch break
Aug 25 10:11:25 <crashanddie> Going to the store now, will see. Also taking a few tyrespikes with in case they behave like dicks.
Aug 25 10:11:35 <edheldil> you can't buy Hp TP here at all. $99 is such a nice price :(
Aug 25 10:13:29 <psycho_oreos> edheldil, did you see that tmo thread in buy & sell?
Aug 25 10:14:03 <elysion_> have there been any discounts on pre:s?
Aug 25 10:16:11 <psycho_oreos> I think pre 3 was sold rather cheap in UK only.. as noted in another tmo thread
Aug 25 10:16:23 <nid0> it hasnt been sold discounted at all here yet
Aug 25 10:16:28 <nid0> (uk)
Aug 25 10:16:40 <psycho_oreos> pre 3? not the tablet
Aug 25 10:17:00 <nid0> pre 3. supposedly hp uk will be confirming any major price drop tomorrow
Aug 25 10:18:26 <psycho_oreos> ahh, I saw the thread about it on the little tracker window (shows latest posts on far right side on tmo)
Aug 25 10:24:20 <edheldil> psycho_oreos:  no ... anything interesting in it? From what I have sampled, it's mostly complaints about OnSale
Aug 25 10:25:09 <psycho_oreos> edheldil, nope, like I said I only saw it from that `ticker' thingy on the right side of the webpage on tmo
Aug 25 10:27:24 <Sicelo> lol, http://www.expansys.co.za/nokia-soft-cover-for-nokia-n9-black-221140/
Aug 25 11:53:40 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/windows_8_file_changes/
Aug 25 11:54:57 <ruskie> According to that data, copying, moving, renaming, and deleting files are "far and away the most heavily used features within Windows Explorer" and account for half of all commands. <-- erm... it's a file manager... you know... it's meant to manage files...
Aug 25 12:06:00 <MOUD> hey all
Aug 25 12:07:38 <MOUD> how can I install the previous version of Power Kernel(version 47) since the new one (version 48) is not compatible with MobileHotspot?
Aug 25 12:08:47 <MOUD> note: i'm using the default nokia kernel now
Aug 25 12:15:05 <psycho_oreos> previous pk seems to be also available in the repos, maybe the same as in pk48 which is extras-devel
Aug 25 12:18:04 <MOUD1> I got dc :S
Aug 25 12:18:32 <MOUD1> psycho_oreos: extras-devel is unavailable right now, but tks for the info
Aug 25 12:19:50 <psycho_oreos> MOUD1, without it, you have to deal with installing 4 packages
Aug 25 12:22:10 <MOUD1> I'm trying to find a way to install via apt-get but i cannot select the specific kernel i want, it will install the latest one
Aug 25 12:23:30 <psycho_oreos> apt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo47
Aug 25 12:26:31 <MOUD1> kernel-power not found
Aug 25 12:29:54 <psycho_oreos> you'll need to enable extras-devel because power47 isn't available elsewhere via apt method
Aug 25 13:51:52 <ohookins> X-Fade: i've heard you are the man to ask about false-positive missing dependencies on maemo.org/packages ?
Aug 25 13:59:02 <crashanddie> ohookins, try asking him about finding heroin in Amsterdam. Now he's _the_ guy.
Aug 25 13:59:56 <ohookins> crashanddie: surely for that task just about anybody on the street is the guy
Aug 25 14:00:50 <crashanddie> just about any guy will get you arrested.
Aug 25 14:03:05 <ohookins> well, at least he should be in the same timezone then
Aug 25 15:12:55 <ohookins> X-Fade: ping
Aug 25 16:30:35 <lcuk> hey
Aug 25 16:30:44 <lcuk> are there any fractal generators for maemo?
Aug 25 16:32:37 <newbie007> Hi, I think there is a problem with youtube-dl,, perhaps youtube has updated. However this script works on my pc (which has been updated recently) the error is...
Aug 25 16:33:11 <newbie007> ERROR: no fmt_url_map or conn information found in video info
Aug 25 16:33:39 <MohammadAG> it's cause i haven't updated it
Aug 25 16:34:33 <MohammadAG> scp the script from your pc to /usr/bin
Aug 25 16:34:46 <newbie007> do you know if its possible to get hildon desktop working on other distros? 
Aug 25 16:35:06 <newbie007> I'm interesting in getting fedora on the nook color with the hildon-desktop
Aug 25 16:35:10 <MohammadAG> it is, see cordia and check youtube for hildon desktop on ubuntu
Aug 25 16:35:16 <newbie007> thanks, I'll update the file
Aug 25 16:35:49 <newbie007> it really is superior to android imho
Aug 25 16:36:02 <MohammadAG> hildon's awesome
Aug 25 16:36:10 <MohammadAG> on good hardware it's even better
Aug 25 16:36:34 <MohammadAG> the N950 with maemo 5 would've been awesome
Aug 25 16:36:50 <newbie007> what is "cordia"? then next name of maemo?
Aug 25 16:37:49 * newbie007 Cordia is a project to bring Maemo 5’s UI (Hildon Desktop and related components) to the MeeGo distribution.
Aug 25 16:48:21 <javispedro> Cordia on the N950 is probably doable
Aug 25 16:48:52 <javispedro> however -- no rotation, and no resizing support for vkb
Aug 25 17:00:03 <SpeedEvil> http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/ :)
Aug 25 17:58:22 <ohookins> X-Fade: ping
Aug 25 19:04:46 <Atarii> hey cehteh, just wanted to say thanks for the pointer the other night about pcap version
Aug 25 19:04:55 <Atarii> got the program compiled and working great now
Aug 25 19:10:06 <Atarii> is there anyway to temporarily hide the bar in xterm?
Aug 25 19:11:48 <villager> Atarii: you mean like tapping the fullscreen button visible in the bar?
Aug 25 19:12:06 <Atarii> like that but the other way round
Aug 25 19:12:14 <Atarii> hiding the bar with the buttons
Aug 25 19:12:54 <villager> hmm, not sure if there's a way without changing the config
Aug 25 19:22:12 <alien_> hello, I have 'not enough space' issues with camera-ui whenever I try to take a photo
Aug 25 19:22:16 <alien_> there is like 7G free on my user partition
Aug 25 19:22:26 <alien_> is there a way to debug this?
Aug 25 19:25:06 <villager> Atarii: if you do want to change the config: ~ $ gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar false
Aug 25 19:25:27 <villager> Atarii: and of course true to restore it
Aug 25 19:25:27 <Atarii> ooo thanks :)
Aug 25 19:26:02 <alien_> MohammadAG: are you a camera-ui developer?
Aug 25 19:26:41 <Atarii> villager that worked great, thanks again
Aug 25 19:26:55 <alien_> (I use latest OSSO-CSSU since it was released and it used to work until a week ago or so)
Aug 25 20:37:04 <Cor-Ai> no
Aug 25 21:11:47 <khuong> Can anyone help me with the autobuilder problem?
Aug 25 21:13:03 <khuong> hellow
Aug 25 21:16:28 <khuong> Can anyone help me with the autobuilder problem?
Aug 25 21:16:44 <khuong> please
Aug 25 21:42:03 <DocScrutinizer> could somebody create a forward from http://forums.internettablettalk.com to http://talk.maemo.org please, rather than still supporting the old obsolete URL
Aug 25 21:44:03 <jacekowski> forwards mess with pagerank
Aug 25 21:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> for obscure reasons often the Itt hits are higher in ranking than the equiv tmo hits, on google. Which is annoying as you won't get auto-login on the Itt URL when you click on it
Aug 25 21:45:29 <DocScrutinizer> actually I'd guess nobody needs the Itt URL really meanwhile
Aug 25 21:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> it's like a zombie sneaking in all the time
Aug 25 21:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> I'd set up a global s/forums.internettablettalk.com(talk.maemo.org/ on my browser, if only it would support this
Aug 25 21:47:44 <DocScrutinizer> s/(/\//
Aug 25 21:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> s/(/|/
Aug 25 21:48:14 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: s/|/\//
Aug 25 21:48:26 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:  expected this
Aug 25 21:50:24 <Atarii> DocScrutinizer you could put a redirect in your hosts file ;p
Aug 25 21:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> umm, do you think that would help to avoid the wron
Aug 25 21:52:08 <DocScrutinizer> wrong URL to show up in addr field of browser?
Aug 25 21:52:36 <DocScrutinizer> Atarii: I don't even see how to set up a redirect there. Possibly ignorance
Aug 25 21:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> host talk.maemo.org
Aug 25 21:53:47 <DocScrutinizer> talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com.
Aug 25 21:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247
Aug 25 21:54:15 <Atarii> don't they have different IPs?
Aug 25 21:54:28 <DocScrutinizer> obviously not :-P
Aug 25 21:54:46 <Atarii> ah maemo.org does, not the talk subdomain
Aug 25 21:54:47 <Atarii> my ad
Aug 25 21:54:57 <Atarii> bad*
Aug 25 21:55:18 <FIQ|n900> redirect...
Aug 25 21:55:23 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Aug 25 21:55:51 <FIQ|n900> can't you just use some htaccess magic or whatever you use as webserver
Aug 25 21:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> *I*? use nothing as webserver
Aug 25 21:56:28 <FIQ|n900> uh
Aug 25 21:56:31 <FIQ|n900> ok, tmo
Aug 25 21:56:37 <FIQ|n900> s/you/tmo/
Aug 25 21:56:39 <FIQ|n900> happy?
Aug 25 21:56:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'm using a browser that doesn't have cookies and stored passwords for ITT URL
Aug 25 21:57:00 <FIQ|n900> ohh
Aug 25 21:57:21 <FIQ|n900> i didn't get what you wanted
Aug 25 21:57:50 <DocScrutinizer> so I'm back to the useless orange default theme and not logged in when I click on a Itt URL
Aug 25 21:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> there are URLs that forward to another URL
Aug 25 21:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'd think that'd be the right behaviour for Itt
Aug 25 22:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> like http://ct.de redirects to http://www.heise.de/ct/
Aug 25 22:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> NFC how that works (guess with some "597 moved permanently" HTTP reply), but obviously it can be done and works flawlessly
Aug 25 22:05:27 <fizzie> s/597/301/, but other than that even the official response name matched exactly.
Aug 25 22:05:42 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Aug 25 22:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> fizzie: so it's up to the browser to keep the "parameters" (like "/showthread.php?p=1022444#post1022444") and just call the new URL with the same parameters? Then it's be pretty simple to configure that 301 response for http://forums.internettablettalk.com
Aug 25 22:19:33 <FIQ|n900> Hm, any swedes here?
Aug 25 22:19:51 <FIQ|n900> i've a quick question that can be skipped (but would prefer not)
Aug 25 22:20:40 <FIQ|n900> I'll take that as a "no"
Aug 25 22:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> actually I think building a proper new URL for the 301 destination from the "parameters" of the current request also is just simple enough
Aug 25 22:21:51 <NIN101> most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ works on rescue OS, unlike charge.sh which causes interrupt errors after some time :-). 
Aug 25 22:22:14 <fizzie> DocScrutinizer: It's up to the browser to keep the anchor (#foo) part, but I think the server's supposed to repeat the query string (?foo) part. Anyway, Apache's mod_redirect (and certainly mod_rewrite) can both redirect a path like /foo, so that /foo/anything goes to schema://newurl/bar/anything.
Aug 25 22:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> fizzie: thought as much. For Itt vs tmo it's as simple as it gets, just the domain changes, the rest stays as is
Aug 25 22:25:22 <fizzie> For a POST request generally the data isn't sent to the new address, but that's usually not a problem, except transiently for someone who opens a form-containing page with the old address before the redirection, and then submits it after the redirection has been enabled.
Aug 25 22:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> fizzie: btw thanks for a hint why sometimes anchors fail to work here
Aug 25 22:26:38 <NIN101> Hmm, we could create an initrd which directly starts charging and does nothing more. This would help people who's battery drained and are in a reboot loop or something.
Aug 25 22:26:48 <DocScrutinizer> esp on mxr.maemo.orh I never get the right line
Aug 25 22:27:18 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: excellent plan! :-D
Aug 25 22:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: btw what are those interrupt errors?
Aug 25 22:29:46 <NIN101> DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TSAMg7p5
Aug 25 22:30:37 <DocScrutinizer> DUH!
Aug 25 22:31:18 <MohammadAG> I can't mount my PC's rootfs
Aug 25 22:31:29 <MohammadAG> mount goes on indefinately
Aug 25 22:32:19 <MohammadAG> ps x shows D on the process mount
Aug 25 22:32:23 <javispedro> potential hard disk failrue
Aug 25 22:32:36 <MohammadAG> Windows works javispedro 
Aug 25 22:32:41 <MohammadAG> same HDD
Aug 25 22:32:50 <MohammadAG> and something in my bootup segfaults
Aug 25 22:32:54 <javispedro> run fsck then
Aug 25 22:33:03 <MohammadAG> no fsck
Aug 25 22:33:47 <MohammadAG> I was dropped into an initramfs shell
Aug 25 22:33:58 <iluminator101> is there an app with alarm that reminds you stuff that is due?
Aug 25 22:34:00 <MohammadAG> live CD also fails to boot
Aug 25 22:34:09 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: look at http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TSAMg7p5 :-o
Aug 25 22:34:28 <DocScrutinizer> caused by charge.sh on meego
Aug 25 22:35:11 <MohammadAG> calendar?
Aug 25 22:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> iluminator101: calendar, or better alarmed
Aug 25 22:36:05 <FIQ|n900> <NIN101> most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ works on rescue OS, unlike charge.sh which causes interrupt errors after some time :-). 
Aug 25 22:36:18 <FIQ|n900> Yeah, but i didn't needed it that much
Aug 25 22:36:26 <FIQ|n900> so i stopped waiting
Aug 25 22:36:51 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: on meego means with meego CE N900 kernel?
Aug 25 22:36:58 <NIN101> yes
Aug 25 22:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> ask NIN101 but yes
Aug 25 22:38:14 <javispedro> heh
Aug 25 22:38:23 <javispedro> I was recently trying to understand that piece of code 
Aug 25 22:38:32 <javispedro> I mean, the timer wheel algorithm
Aug 25 22:39:16 <javispedro> http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.35.9/kernel/timer.c#L1012
Aug 25 22:40:55 <javispedro> this is Stskeeps domain afaik, why is CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE not set?
Aug 25 22:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> lost me
Aug 25 22:47:49 <javispedro> the double fault is because a BUG() on arm causes a fault
Aug 25 22:47:51 <DocScrutinizer> anyway that's for sure a bug in meego kernel, no?
Aug 25 22:48:26 <javispedro> and the original BUG() seems to be because there's a corrupted timer in the per-cpu timer list
Aug 25 22:48:45 <DocScrutinizer> I can't see why charge.sh would trigger these kernel panics, while meego-charge.tar doesn
Aug 25 22:48:46 <javispedro> so, nfi: it could be from bad hw to sw bug.
Aug 25 22:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> t
Aug 25 22:50:02 <DocScrutinizer> actually meego-charge is using bq27200 sysnodes while charge.sh doesn't afaik
Aug 25 22:50:22 <javispedro> I do not know any of either
Aug 25 22:50:35 <DocScrutinizer> other than that both scripts aren't that much different
Aug 25 22:50:41 <NIN101> charge.sh didn't work while bq module was loaded
Aug 25 22:50:56 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Aug 25 22:51:16 <DocScrutinizer> ohwell
Aug 25 22:51:37 <DocScrutinizer> which bq module? bq27200?
Aug 25 22:52:22 <javispedro> i'd check bq27200 timer usage
Aug 25 22:52:25 <NIN101> bq27x00_battery.ko...
Aug 25 22:52:33 <javispedro> maybe it does it while the wrong lock held or similar...
Aug 25 22:52:38 <javispedro> s/while/with
Aug 25 22:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, charge.sh also uses bq27200, though via direct i2cget. It wouldn't need to do that anyway, but when it does this obviously will conflict with bq27200.ko 
Aug 25 22:54:46 <DocScrutinizer> same issue as with bme and supposed new jrbme
Aug 25 22:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> and with bme and bq27200.ko in maemo
Aug 25 22:56:26 <DocScrutinizer> obviously they did some REALLY NASTY hack on meego kernel to allow bme to access bq27200 via direct i2cbus access (just like charge.sh does)
Aug 25 22:56:53 * DocScrutinizer goes bathroom, throwing up
Aug 25 22:58:58 <DocScrutinizer> btw a good example why bq27200 driver hack is BAD
Aug 25 22:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> exactly this class of bug I expected when I learnt some funny guy decided to kick out the locking for I2C access
Aug 25 23:00:39 <DocScrutinizer> well, pali removed this abomination of a kernel driver/patch from PK48
Aug 25 23:01:12 * DocScrutinizer sighs
Aug 25 23:02:57 * DocScrutinizer goes bathroom, throwing up another time
Aug 25 23:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> that's what you get when you patch the kernel to match requirements introduced by a borked POS blob like bme
Aug 25 23:05:05 <DocScrutinizer> that's btw the reason why I stopped on jrbme
Aug 25 23:06:07 <Psi> has anyone noticed the FMboot kills the IR until you reboot?
Aug 25 23:06:24 <DocScrutinizer> FMboot?
Aug 25 23:06:26 <Psi> im not 100% sure yet, but twice IR has stopped after using fmboost
Aug 25 23:06:36 <SpeedEvil> Seems unlikely.
Aug 25 23:06:36 <Psi> yeah, its an app that boosts the FM tx power
Aug 25 23:06:38 <DocScrutinizer> aah boost
Aug 25 23:06:48 <Psi> yeah, sorry
Aug 25 23:07:40 <DocScrutinizer> unlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they night be related to FMboost though
Aug 25 23:07:48 <DocScrutinizer> s/night/might/
Aug 25 23:07:48 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: unlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they might be related to FMboost though
Aug 25 23:08:17 <DocScrutinizer> IRreco stopped working for me lately
Aug 25 23:08:25 <Psi> yeah
Aug 25 23:08:31 <Psi> its a bit unstable
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