**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 26 02:59:57 2011 Aug 26 03:18:56 hey all Aug 26 03:19:19 sorry for the out of topic question but its a very simple for many who are here Aug 26 03:19:27 i'm using this command to find text in files Aug 26 03:19:40 find . | xargs grep 'text' Aug 26 03:19:46 find . | xargs grep 'text' -sl Aug 26 03:19:47 http://twitter.com/#!/fakeselop/status/106914835060637696 Aug 26 03:19:57 I wish I knew who's behind that account. Aug 26 03:20:07 but its returning me matches which are not exactly this text Aug 26 03:20:28 i want the exact match Aug 26 03:20:32 so anyone? Aug 26 03:26:58 can any linux guy help please?? Aug 26 03:27:08 is everyone sleeping? Aug 26 03:32:23 resident`evil, grep -r text files Aug 26 03:32:42 grep -r text /* Aug 26 03:32:56 ok so it has to be without the quotes Aug 26 03:34:05 the quotes just help so you don't have to escape special charcters like spaces Aug 26 03:34:21 alright Aug 26 03:34:32 grep -r two\ words or grep -r "two words" Aug 26 03:36:01 headed to bed, night :) Aug 26 03:36:36 night \o Aug 26 06:40:38 DocScrutinizer, ping Aug 26 07:10:53 DocScrutinizer, please disregard the ping, I've found an alternative solution. Thanks anyway :) Aug 26 08:08:16 X-Fade: ping Aug 26 08:23:03 everybody home ? Aug 26 09:30:45 aloaheee.. Aug 26 09:35:32 ..eeehaola Aug 26 09:36:14 echo? Aug 26 09:37:14 ?ohce Aug 26 09:37:21 hehe Aug 26 09:37:29 :) Aug 26 09:39:30 * psycho_oreos is making final changes to indicating the locations of antennas on N900, first time using Gimp with more tools (and not with N900 of course). About to post photos up and link them onto wiki page. Aug 26 09:39:34 what about you? Aug 26 09:41:27 antennatuning on n900? yeah.. :) Aug 26 09:42:09 im not alone.. Aug 26 09:42:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58063&page=3 Aug 26 09:43:17 albeit I have not done any physical modifications. I'm just laying the foundations of the necessary theories :) Aug 26 09:44:32 i have done :) http://www.mobile-nova.com/forum/108-diskussionen-a-fragen/12038-wlan-am-n900-zu-schwach.html#12038 Aug 26 09:46:12 heh I don't understand much German but it seems like you've taken a different route. Quite interesting however Aug 26 09:47:40 i have the same problem with english :) next time i will try a antenna-plug for external anennas.. Aug 26 09:49:42 it'll be difficult for using the test connectors onboard the PCB, also bluetooth shares the same antenna with wireless LAN :/ Aug 26 09:52:48 yeah thats right.. but bluetooth runs at the same frequencq like wlan... with a good antenna you can have fum with bluesnarf :) Aug 26 09:53:39 or do wireless LAN pentesting :) but not only that, there's also test connectors for GPS and GSM/Cellular. Test pad is available for FM transmitter Aug 26 09:56:59 gps is interreting to.. but i use a external gpsmouse over bluetooth... for a better fmtransmitter i will kill :) Aug 26 09:58:18 heh not really, apart from a weird idea of replacing the internal antenna to external one (and thus making your genuine N900 look almost like a fake N900) :D Aug 26 10:00:00 I still use internal GPS with mobile broadband connectivity to quickly acquire location. Albeit the internal GPS can act a little weird at times but I guess there's not much one can do, maybe external antenna for that GPS module may make it less twitchy ;) Aug 26 10:02:50 n900 with external gps fmtransmitter wlan and bluetooth antenna... the ultimate nerdphone :) Aug 26 10:03:53 not quite, N900 with external antenna connectivity everywhere + 3000mAH + custom back cover = the ultimate nerdphone :D Aug 26 10:05:14 yeah... and solarcollectos... and coffewarmer over h-e-n usbplug Aug 26 10:06:29 nah, dual micro USB connectors :D one OTG (which is using H-E-N) and the other mainly used for charging the device ^^ Aug 26 10:06:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#External_antennas <--- done updating ^^ Aug 26 10:08:26 http://image.dhgate.com/upload/20108/87/ff808081278eddac0127a01776741f6d/productimg1282791415230.jpg <--- antenna used instead on FM Transmitter for the real N900 = evil *g* Aug 26 10:12:34 mrtank, you're not Helmuth on the tmo are you? *g* Aug 26 10:12:51 pew... thats kewl... :) Aug 26 10:13:23 no im not helmuth :) Aug 26 10:13:28 I don't like where the antenna is sitting however, but the idea of that on a real N900 with other things = pure evil *Eg* Aug 26 10:13:36 Morning Aug 26 10:14:00 ahh, you should contribute in that thread, btw nice findings. I never knew BT/WLAN would have their antenna there ^^ Aug 26 10:14:04 morning Aug 26 10:15:10 link? Aug 26 10:15:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58063&page=3 <--- :)) Aug 26 10:16:08 I should probably bump it up, gonna announce that I've finished updating the info on external antennas Aug 26 10:17:03 external rocks :) so i have to go... see ya later.. Aug 26 10:17:29 maybe I'll add yer link in on my next post? lol Aug 26 10:17:55 lol yeah... bye :) Aug 26 10:18:17 bah Aug 26 10:33:48 kids, don't mess with antennae. It's not as easy as you might think. For the http://www.mobile-nova.com/forum/108-diskussionen-a-fragen/12038-wlan-am-n900-zu-schwach.html#12038 mod I honestly doubt the efficiency and also had a couple of concerns, starting at covering a gold contact pad with "dirty" lead-tin(oxide)-flux blob, and not ending at connecting two antennae to a tuned line that's not meant to support load of two antennae Aug 26 10:34:40 o.O Aug 26 10:35:19 I can't really understand German fully but according to his thread, I think he did post some results of improved performance Aug 26 10:35:47 you know how antenna design is done in commercial context? it's a job whole RF-houses spend weeks on comparing and tuning different designs to the actual particular device. You adding random contraptions and improving things on first shot... guess how likely that is ;-D Aug 26 10:36:13 psycho_oreos: this is really random bogus results Aug 26 10:37:32 psycho_oreos: and anybody not understanding *why* it's bogus shouldn't even think of messing with RF. RF is the most complicated domain in analog electronics, and antenna design somewhat is the master discipline of RF Aug 26 10:37:37 *shrugs* sure I don't doubt Nokia's design is impeccable but at the same time they aren't trying to break any international laws on how to outdo radio stuff :) Aug 26 10:38:09 sure, valid point Aug 26 10:38:28 the cantenna is an obvious example of backyard engineering that does actually work well Aug 26 10:38:53 but those examples are few and far between Aug 26 10:39:09 i.e. N900 in a can? ;) but otherwise I somewhat welcome alternative means of improving the original specifications even if it means to break international laws. Aug 26 10:39:17 i've seen the kind of equipment that they use in the RF labs and it's some of the most costly not to mention huge sets of equipment in the catalog Aug 26 10:39:34 €15 soldering iron and some wire vs €50000 testing rig Aug 26 10:39:48 which is the base module, not counting addons Aug 26 10:39:58 show 3D sensitivity diagrams done in a RF non-reflective chamber with proper (Rhode+Schwarz) equipment, and I'm willing to discuss it :-D Aug 26 10:40:31 DocScrutinizer, you provide the equipment in a location where any one of us can easily access and we'll do it ;) Aug 26 10:40:47 cantenna, oooh. Sure that's simple and obviously effective. Even better: place N900 in place of the LNB of a sat dish Aug 26 10:41:00 or a wok... Aug 26 10:41:09 s/or/or in/ Aug 26 10:41:09 psycho_oreos meant: or in a wok... Aug 26 10:42:17 http://imgur.com/grDkQ.jpg <-- more like a pan but.... fugly! Aug 26 10:44:14 there are things that are simple and obvious, and kinda self evident, even in RF design. Others are mere handwaving, even with the professionals. For example it's still next to impossible to completely design an antenna with any specialized SW tool aka CAD. The equations are too complex sometimes, you can not solve them "on paper", you have to build models/prototypes and do *decent* tests on them Aug 26 10:46:27 the problem is, none of us have those sorts of things where we can easily access :) plus with Nokia no longer producing N900 and we're only using our own devices. I can't see why we shouldn't try and make N900 more usable in our own ways Aug 26 10:48:17 worst comes to worst if we brick/destroy/damage the device we can only blame ourselves for being too curious ^^ Aug 26 10:50:10 for the WLAN antenna "hack" mentioend above by mrtank: it obviously isn't possible to signifacantly improve *all* aspects of antenna performance by simply adding a second wire and place it in random shape < 2mm close to the original antenna. What you might achieve by this is changing the directional sensitivity of the whole contraption, so sensitivity in one direction is maybe factor 2 better, while allother directions massively suffer. Now Aug 26 10:50:11 if you incidently do your before|after tests with device in an optimal orientation you actually may see an improvement caused by your soldered-on antenna wire. Though: rotate the device by 90° and find reception drop to useless levels. See my point? Aug 26 10:51:38 in other words, making a directional antenna more directional? :) Aug 26 10:52:49 the problem is that there is no quantitative or even qualitative way to say it is an overall improvement Aug 26 10:52:50 psycho_oreos: by definition N900 WLAN/BT antenna shouldn't be too directional Aug 26 10:53:06 ohookins: exactly Aug 26 10:53:35 at best you are suggesting destructively modifying the device without any assurance of gains in all environments Aug 26 10:54:06 if there is no assurance of benefit, there is no reason to make the changes Aug 26 10:54:32 and I've dealt with this sort of users' subjective quality ratings for > 9 months when I tackled Openmoko Frerunner's buzz issue. I learnt about amount of credibility of such ratings Aug 26 10:54:57 DocScrutinizer, true but no-one can easily prove that apart from Nokia whom has done all the relevant tests :) Aug 26 10:55:47 ohookins, that's like saying one should never hardware hack their own device regardless of what the device maybe :p Aug 26 10:55:50 there are some more engineers that could do tests. But admittedly those opportunities and equipment needed are rare and expensive Aug 26 10:56:23 psycho_oreos: absolutely not, but it is exactly like saying you would not perform a hack unless you knew there was a good chance of it actually working Aug 26 10:56:43 as it is, since there is no way to verify the results are repeatable there is not a good justification to make the changes Aug 26 10:56:50 ohookins, there's no way to tell that without modification first :) Aug 26 10:57:10 I agree with both of you Aug 26 10:57:17 arguably there isn't a great way to tell even after modification Aug 26 10:57:24 and hardware modifications can also be irreversable once a mistake is made or once you change your mind Aug 26 10:57:39 as DocScrutinizer correctly mentioned, RF is very hard Aug 26 10:59:10 I disagree with mrtank's fuzzy claim of an improvement from 60% to 80%, while he not even used an A/B test (maybe even with another non-N900 device) to rule out better weather/opened vs closed doors/ neighbour shutting down his AP during thtest that yielded 80% / etc pp Aug 26 11:00:23 psycho_oreos: for the "irreversible" I pont to my original concern about slder not being an adequate material for contact pad surfaces Aug 26 11:00:43 psycho_oreos: for the "irreversible" I point to my original concern about solder not being an adequate material for contact pad surfaces Aug 26 11:01:10 DocScrutinizer, I mean the problem is that most of us N900 owners are also tinkerers generally at heart :) eager tinkerers and sometimes more bold into doing things out of the ordinary just for the sake of it. However to go around and getting results proven just for the sake of argument is really taking it to the extreme. Sure, we're backyard operators if anything compared to the likes of big manufacturers. Whatever we do may turn things in both ways unlike Aug 26 11:01:10 what the manufacturer does, but what I don't like is the fact that we should sit with our hands underneath our legs on a seat! Aug 26 11:01:20 the less for UHF RF pads Aug 26 11:01:52 I'll agree for sure RF is really hard, I'm nowhere near the level of understanding he has, nevertheless I'd experiment and see how far I'd go Aug 26 11:02:32 DocScrutinizer, true but again, we're backyard operators in general if anything :) Aug 26 11:02:33 psycho_oreos: I never suggested you "sit with our hands underneath our legs" Aug 26 11:03:12 I just suggest asking me for an occasional advice Aug 26 11:03:51 my advice would be: never solder to a gold plated contact pad! There are for sure better ways that *are* reversible Aug 26 11:04:37 DocScrutinizer, I know you didn't suggest that :) I just get a little defensive when small yields (with potential huge losses and devastating long term effects which could either go either ways) shouldn't be frowned upon Aug 26 11:04:44 ahh Aug 26 11:05:08 *shrugs* he probably was under budget constraint as well hence he used cheap methods Aug 26 11:05:09 the gold pad will get loose if soldered incorrectly (most by-hand) Aug 26 11:05:15 s/cheap/cheaper/ Aug 26 11:05:16 psycho_oreos meant: *shrugs* he probably was under budget constraint as well hence he used cheaper methods Aug 26 11:05:31 e.g use a tiny "sheet" of silver (Ag) foil, cut to shape so it goes nicely between the original contact pad and the pogopin spring loaded contact, and solder the wire to a corner of this patch Aug 26 11:05:33 it is not a "must" become loose Aug 26 11:05:52 any chance anyone can shed some light on an issue I am having with my N900. (Tried searching but haven;t found anything close). After about a day the desktop won't launch any apps. I can from the main apps menu, but nothing on any desktop will launch. I can still customise the desktop though. A restart solves it. Aug 26 11:06:35 but 4 out of 5 or something is ususal, and if not while attaching then surely when removing it... Aug 26 11:06:43 zutesmog, check CPU usage, I'm guessing its hildon-{home,desktop} freeze Aug 26 11:07:17 zutesmog: python-desktop-launcher Aug 26 11:07:34 or how it is called... bad thing Aug 26 11:07:36 cpu is practically idle. Aug 26 11:08:25 everything runs nice and fast, just widgets on the desktop don't seem to get focus/or the event when you tap. Aug 26 11:08:36 python-desktop-launcher? Aug 26 11:08:45 zutesmog: probably one of your desktop widgets causes this failure Aug 26 11:08:54 something like that (cannot remember how it is spelled Aug 26 11:09:38 chem|st: moo :-) Aug 26 11:09:42 python desktop widgets is the best invention for maemo NOT Aug 26 11:09:47 DocScrutinizer: moo! Aug 26 11:09:58 DocScrutinizer, maybe I guess mrtank was a novice at soldering and general knowledge of RF :) Aug 26 11:10:20 not running any widgets other than foreca, cpu speed control Aug 26 11:10:39 then it might be cpu speed control... lmc Aug 26 11:11:43 chem|st, interesting info, though I won't understand it fully until I try it myself (obviously not on N900 :)) Aug 26 11:11:54 psycho_oreos: that's what I meant. It's a bit silly to mess with things you have no experience and/or knowledge about. So if you plan to go into that adventure it's wise to get advice, and surely you should refrain from selling your assumed achievements in a way others like you are temped to reproduce (and run into same issues you did and only haven't noticed yet) Aug 26 11:12:21 actually I don't know what the widgets actuall called (not speed control) it's one for power kernel for setting cpu freq. Aug 26 11:12:22 psycho_oreos: which part? Aug 26 11:13:14 kernel power can have anything locking up your device, is there any special reason apart of killing your CPU with OC? Aug 26 11:13:41 not overclocking at the moment. Aug 26 11:13:52 DocScrutinizer, ahh! I thought you were frowning on the idea of backyard operators and basic diy. My bad. I guess if shit hits the fan with the original modder, he'll have a whole bunch of other people chasing after him just like those overclocking N900 threads :)) Aug 26 11:14:14 chem|st, the information on hand soldering stuff onto gold pads Aug 26 11:14:15 indeed Aug 26 11:14:21 when I removed the cpufreq widget hildon-home stopped responidng. Aug 26 11:14:33 s/responidng/responding/ Aug 26 11:14:34 zutesmog meant: when I removed the cpufreq widget hildon-home stopped responding. Aug 26 11:15:36 psycho_oreos: and no, I'm all for DIY and garage projects Aug 26 11:15:40 hi all Aug 26 11:15:45 how can I find out my gsm number? Aug 26 11:15:55 I forgot the key combo and could not find this on the wiki anymore... Aug 26 11:15:56 sivang: hi, you developer of the month Aug 26 11:16:00 * sivang notes his google foo is bad. Aug 26 11:16:02 :-D Aug 26 11:16:46 DocScrutinizer, didn't seem like you were when you sounded critical of it but I guess I mistook that for when you have a better idea in mind instead of what the modded actually did Aug 26 11:16:50 sivang: there's basically no standardized way to find out about your own GSM phone number Aug 26 11:17:48 yeah, it looks like maxCPU widget is the culprit, finally found it's name ;-) Aug 26 11:17:52 there's a GSM AT command to read out a special storage in SIM that may or may not contain your phone number Aug 26 11:18:12 sivang: was that what you were looking for? Aug 26 11:19:18 zutesmog: \o/ Aug 26 11:19:51 psycho_oreos: yeah doing 4D measurements on sliding switches, the gold pads come off if you look at it in a strange way already Aug 26 11:20:18 hey guys Aug 26 11:20:28 hey BiggAl Aug 26 11:20:48 chem|st, 4D? what?? Aug 26 11:21:00 4th D is resistance Aug 26 11:21:11 in this case Aug 26 11:21:19 sivang: ?? Aug 26 11:21:29 sivang: ring another phone? Aug 26 11:21:29 oh Aug 26 11:21:42 BiggAl, hi Aug 26 11:21:43 or look in personal details stuff... Aug 26 11:22:00 or your last bill?! Aug 26 11:22:23 call yer mates (friends) and ask them what is yer number ;) Aug 26 11:22:40 got a quick query - the widget for feeding it has disappeared from my n900 desktop but doesn't appear in the list to add. I've tried reinstalling etc, is there any way to manually edit the stylesheet or whatever it uses to arrange the icon on the home screen? Aug 26 11:22:54 sivang: anyway here you are: use pnatd, enter either >> AT+CNUM [cr] << or >> AT+CPBS="ON" [cr] AT+CPBR=1 [cr] << Aug 26 11:23:40 chem|st, in regards to that python-desktop thing, I wonder if it could be this: hildon-desktop-python-loader Aug 26 11:23:47 on some SIM cards either of those command sequences may return your phone number, on some SIMs none of both may work Aug 26 11:23:53 psycho_oreos: yes that it is Aug 26 11:24:06 me thinks Aug 26 11:24:53 chem|st, did a search via cli, it was one of the two possible names I guess Aug 26 11:25:58 ( sivang: ring another phone?) indeed, so obvious I didn't dare to even ask why you don't use this method Aug 26 11:26:21 anyway seems sivang is afk or sth Aug 26 11:26:43 i MEAN IT HAS TO BE DEFINED SOMEWHERE RIGHT? Aug 26 11:26:48 woops - caps Aug 26 11:27:23 BiggAl: feeding what? Aug 26 11:27:27 the widget for feeding it? feeding which? Aug 26 11:27:37 sorry - feedingit Aug 26 11:27:43 it's an RSS feed reader Aug 26 11:27:45 ah never tried that Aug 26 11:27:50 no idea Aug 26 11:28:14 it's a lot better then the PoS that comes with maemo5 ;) Aug 26 11:28:22 got my rss feeding an irc channel... Aug 26 11:28:44 DocScrutinizer, interesting AT commands, needless to say is that you need to be root for these things to work? Aug 26 11:29:27 what I'm asking isn't really specific to feedingit anyway - I just want to know how I could tweak my home screen with vim or something Aug 26 11:29:49 you don't Aug 26 11:29:56 I think you use gconf for some parts of home screen Aug 26 11:30:49 ok I'lll have a look at gconf Aug 26 11:31:25 DocScrutinizer: Thanks for noting my champion of the month :) and yes, Doc, exactly what I wanted although calling me maties and ask mer number could be easier :) Aug 26 11:31:39 thanks all for the responses, been afk for some good minutes hence did not respond , sorry for that. Aug 26 11:31:51 * sivang fires the terminal Aug 26 11:32:26 chem|st: I have a blauworld sim, and I lost the document telling me the password for the account, you must put inside your number to log in, even though I created an account with my id 'sivang' Aug 26 11:32:36 chem|st: and they don't send me bills, I'm not in germany anymore :) Aug 26 11:34:01 DocScrutinizer, hmm crap I can't get out of that pnatd session Aug 26 11:34:07 sivang: are you stupid or trying to pretend? Aug 26 11:34:30 chem|st: I hope I'm not stupid, they don't allow you login based on the user account you created. Aug 26 11:34:41 contacts -> menu -> my info.... Aug 26 11:34:47 DocScrutinizer: He called me stupid, mahh :) Aug 26 11:35:10 sivang: there is your SIMs phone number Aug 26 11:35:11 chem|st: yes, but I want to create a script for that as well, so doc's approach would work in that case. Aug 26 11:36:02 chem|st: thanks, I overlooked your comment before (I tend to do that when I'm doing 10k things in the same time :)) Aug 26 11:36:33 any of you played with pnatd? Aug 26 11:36:37 sivang: what are you trying to achive? Aug 26 11:36:42 seems like DocScrutinizer has gone afk Aug 26 11:36:43 psycho_oreos: I did a little Aug 26 11:36:52 no Aug 26 11:36:56 chem|st: first, find my german phone number, then create a script that would allow me to find this out from remote. Aug 26 11:36:57 SpeedEvil, ! nice, do you happen to know how to exit the session? Aug 26 11:37:06 DocScrutinizer, ah so you ignored my queries lol Aug 26 11:37:07 psycho_oreos: kill pnatd Aug 26 11:37:11 psycho_oreos: other than that, no Aug 26 11:37:13 and yes, pnatd doesn't ever terminate unless stdin gets closed afaik Aug 26 11:37:19 ahh Aug 26 11:37:19 Or that Aug 26 11:37:27 chem|st: and seriously, I am not stupid, take that back! :) Aug 26 11:38:00 I was thinking of killing it with another session but thought that could cause something else to screw up. Thanks Aug 26 11:38:05 DocScrutinizer: Well, couldn't you close its sdin? if you input it with a file using redirection? Aug 26 11:38:18 DocScrutinizer: that is, let it end "naturally" Aug 26 11:38:19 ;) Aug 26 11:38:39 sivang: that should work Aug 26 11:38:46 s/another session/another SSH session/ Aug 26 11:38:47 psycho_oreos meant: I was thinking of killing it with another SSH session but thought that could cause something else to screw up. Thanks Aug 26 11:38:54 chem|st: owe you a beer if we meet at an event, DocScrutinizer as well (thansk for help for apparently stupid dude who's smart) Aug 26 11:39:12 sivang: where do you live now? Aug 26 11:43:14 sivang: depending on what's your real usecase for "scriot to find out from remote", initiating a call might be the simpler and more reliable alternative. If you got *#-ena installed you can even call "#31#" to temporarily enable caller number signalling independently of your general settings Aug 26 11:43:42 s/scriot/script/. Aug 26 11:44:52 there's a dbus call for setting up a call, as well as pnatd can use the age old "ATD" Aug 26 11:46:07 disadvantage: both methods pop up the dialer (though you *might* be abler to kill/stop rtcom-call-ui process or whatever it's called) Aug 26 11:49:00 killall -sigstop rtcom-call-ui; echo ATD47110071984 | pnatd; sleep 2; echo ATH | pnatd; killall -sigcont rtcom-call-ui ;; # might work Aug 26 11:55:52 meh, actually it doesn't work, pnatd seems to not accept piped stdin Aug 26 11:56:09 chem|st: Israel Aug 26 11:56:24 DocScrutinizer: oh, I see. so better use the #-ena approach Aug 26 11:57:06 chem|st: I was just visiting Germany and local friends there, so needed a sim, but it seems it is quite cheap for long distance calls from here as well. Aug 26 11:57:34 ah ok Aug 26 11:58:31 DocScrutinizer: I now have more than a few sims in a couple of phones, I want to be able to retrieve the numbers if I change sim's etc, in an automated manner. Aug 26 11:58:50 DocScrutinizer: and they are very long numbers since I got some local sims from the US , germany etc.. Aug 26 11:59:10 DocScrutinizer: so hard to remember even when you look at them when you want to recharge and have to use the number to login :) Aug 26 12:01:06 well, here pnatd AT+CNUM works Aug 26 12:01:24 I got OK instead of an actual number Aug 26 12:02:11 at+cnum Aug 26 12:02:12 +CNUM: ,"+491796099¿¿¿",145 Aug 26 12:02:14 +CNUM: ,"0000000",129 Aug 26 12:02:15 OK Aug 26 12:03:51 AT+CNUM Aug 26 12:03:51 OK Aug 26 12:04:08 I friggin get mad if I don't find a way to pipe commands to pnatd :-S Aug 26 12:04:26 psycho_oreos: you also tried the other sequence? Aug 26 12:05:17 dockane_1, yeah it keeps saying OK and then Aug 26 12:05:18 (though I don't believe in it yielding better results) Aug 26 12:05:24 bah! tab fails on me Aug 26 12:06:11 I'm trying the alternative command with my other N900 which is with a different provider Aug 26 12:06:24 yeah, phone number *may* be simply *stored* on SIM. You can chage it any time though in SIM storage, and it may not be there by default Aug 26 12:06:30 s/I'm trying/I'm going to try/ Aug 26 12:06:31 psycho_oreos meant: I'm going to try the alternative command with my other N900 which is with a different provider Aug 26 12:06:39 it's basically simply storage location #1 aiui Aug 26 12:07:57 or maybe there were actually 4 special storage locations for card's phone numbers, but not always available or working or populated Aug 26 12:09:37 DocScrutinizer: :) Aug 26 12:10:02 crap I mean to say ERROR for the alternative commands, bah lacking energy Aug 26 12:10:22 honestly best thing to do is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call and call "#31#" Aug 26 12:10:27 DocScrutinizer: I see. Aug 26 12:11:15 well yeah both of my SIM cards are no dice here, 1) Crazy John (routes through vodaphone hutchinson australia), 2) virgin mobile (prepaid, routes through optus) Aug 26 12:11:25 maybe it was *31#, this is exactly inverted meaning on landline vs GSM Aug 26 12:11:45 DocScrutinizer: hmm, the callee phone shows "Private number" Aug 26 12:11:46 odd Aug 26 12:11:53 DocScrutinizer: I am going for chem|st 's approach for now Aug 26 12:11:59 #31# hides your number when you call Aug 26 12:12:10 I think on GSM *31# is enabling number display, while on landline *31# is enabling *suppression* of display Aug 26 12:12:13 that's the effect #31# here Aug 26 12:12:30 DocScrutinizer: okay, let me retry Aug 26 12:14:30 What's now in common with Nokia and Apple? No More Jobs. Aug 26 12:15:08 bwahahaha Aug 26 12:15:12 :) Aug 26 12:15:15 unbelieavably funny Aug 26 12:15:18 <_berto_> lol Aug 26 12:15:49 heh kill two birds with one stone Aug 26 12:16:09 DocScrutinizer: you are a wizard. *31#+972... and number made it Aug 26 12:16:14 I have the number now Aug 26 12:16:16 DocScrutinizer: thank you. Aug 26 12:16:41 I should've bought me a nice steak at the butcher 3h ago. Just place it out in the sun, would be exactly rare medium right now Aug 26 12:16:42 lol Aug 26 12:16:57 DocScrutinizer: funny that * / # works on my N900, but the representative from BlauWord could not make ti work to recharge it in the shop, she got so angry :) Aug 26 12:17:06 DocScrutinizer: LOL Aug 26 12:17:09 would be well done if you lived here Aug 26 12:17:11 hey there MohammadAG Aug 26 12:17:18 heya Aug 26 12:17:20 DocScrutinizer: in like 30 minutes Aug 26 12:17:24 MohammadAG: ;) Aug 26 12:17:43 hi MohammadAG Aug 26 12:17:46 me and MohammadAG are having one of the hottest summers this place I think has ever known Aug 26 12:17:54 was not so nice to come back from Berlin to this heat... Aug 26 12:18:03 (me was at Desktop Summit) Aug 26 12:18:10 hi DocScrutinizer Aug 26 12:18:12 sivang: dude, berlin is boiling today Aug 26 12:18:21 ohookins: how high? Aug 26 12:18:25 define boiling :p Aug 26 12:18:28 ~weather EDDN Aug 26 12:18:30 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.08.26 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 62 F (17 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 40%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (150 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT) Aug 26 12:18:31 ohookins: let have it, it is cloe to 40C here now Aug 26 12:18:36 100⁶C ;) Aug 26 12:18:50 to the power 6? Aug 26 12:18:51 32C Aug 26 12:18:54 ah, piece of cake. Aug 26 12:18:57 oh, wtf Aug 26 12:19:04 ~weather Tel Aviv Aug 26 12:19:05 :p Aug 26 12:19:06 I can't find station code "TEL AVIV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Aug 26 12:19:09 err Aug 26 12:19:09 too small for my pathetic eyesight Aug 26 12:19:13 ~weather Haifa Aug 26 12:19:15 I can't find station code "HAIFA" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Aug 26 12:19:18 hmm, no go :) Aug 26 12:19:19 forecast was for 32, feels hotter than that Aug 26 12:19:21 * sivang googles Aug 26 12:19:34 sivang, tlv Aug 26 12:19:52 ~weather TLV Aug 26 12:19:55 I can't find station code "TLV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Aug 26 12:19:58 ~weather tlv Aug 26 12:20:00 I can't find station code "TLV" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Aug 26 12:20:12 infobot, screw you Aug 26 12:20:13 * infobot asks you to bend over Aug 26 12:20:16 .IL weather stations have been removed as an antiterrorist measure Aug 26 12:20:55 ~wiki icao Aug 26 12:20:59 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icao (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox United Nations | name = International Civil Aviation Organization | image = Flag of ICAO.svg | image size = 150px | caption = The ICAO flag | type = UN agency | acronyms = ICAOOACIИКАОإيكاو | head = Raymond Benjamin | status = active | established = April 1947 | website = {{URL|www.icao.int}} | headquarters = Montreal, Canada | parent = | subsidiaries = | footnotes = }} ... Aug 26 12:21:42 RST38h: are you serious? holy mom of god Aug 26 12:21:54 Absofuckinglutely! Aug 26 12:21:57 i doubt he is :p Aug 26 12:21:59 we live in a war zone! Maaaa!..... :) Aug 26 12:22:07 * sivang goes to cry in the corner Aug 26 12:22:34 oh so that's why the N900 wasn't released in israel Aug 26 12:22:40 LOL Aug 26 12:22:42 it has a broken temperature sensor Aug 26 12:22:49 Mommy, it is dark here! There are sheds! There are cows! We are gonna die, mommy!!! Aug 26 12:22:57 RST38h: +1 Aug 26 12:23:08 I want a weather station! Aug 26 12:23:13 plllllleeaasee. Aug 26 12:23:17 http://kazakdesign.com/files/images/no_publish/2011/musor_sm.jpg Aug 26 12:23:59 sivang: http://www.gismeteo.ru/city/daily/5403/ Aug 26 12:24:03 hi..can any1 help with camera problem,today i got message Memory is full,unable to save content.have 18G free on storage Aug 26 12:24:25 hmm so just 32c? Aug 26 12:24:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_L#LL_-_Israel Aug 26 12:24:31 well, it is less humid in berlin. Aug 26 12:24:35 Berlin is better anyways :) Aug 26 12:24:37 depends on your point of reference Aug 26 12:24:49 lol Aug 26 12:24:59 ~weather LLBG Aug 26 12:25:01 Ben-Gurion International Airport, Israel; (LLBG) 32-00N 034-54E 49M; last updated: 2011.08.26 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 68 F (20 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 49%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) Aug 26 12:25:05 to me, it is about 15oC higher than it should be Aug 26 12:25:18 I was so lucky to "participate: in 3 bachlorette parties on the U-Bhan Aug 26 12:25:22 Bahn Aug 26 12:25:48 Why on the U-bahn? Are those bachelorettes jumping in front of the train or what? Aug 26 12:25:50 sivang, how's haifa? Aug 26 12:25:51 they invted me to drink (well, they were holding the bottle) and they almost tried to fix me one of their still single blonds Aug 26 12:25:56 RST38h: LOL Aug 26 12:26:30 By "still", do you mean the post-train-jump one? Aug 26 12:27:09 MohammadAG: So, it is damn hot, I am thinking going to the mountain of Haifa U to get some fresh air (I live northern to haifa, where the pollution from the refineries is imminent) Aug 26 12:27:32 going to technion on sunday Aug 26 12:27:39 RST38h: no dude, they were on the way to Soda Club or Altecantina and were drinking on the U-Bahn Aug 26 12:27:43 MohammadAG: you are! Aug 26 12:27:51 MohammadAG: wow, are you starting to study? Aug 26 12:27:56 MohammadAG: I mean, enrolled in studies? Aug 26 12:27:58 ah Aug 26 12:28:02 sadly Aug 26 12:28:06 mchina for now Aug 26 12:28:15 MohammadAG: You just made me excited like an old polish jewish mother Aug 26 12:28:19 MohammadAG: dude, you ROCK. Aug 26 12:28:28 MohammadAG: Do they still disable Unix accounts for everyone logged in on Saturday? Aug 26 12:28:36 MohammadAG: but please make sure you don't have a life during the MECHINA Aug 26 12:28:38 MohammadAG: I want you to be able to get to any faculty you like Aug 26 12:29:04 make sure I don't? Aug 26 12:29:15 MohammadAG: also, there's the amazing HOF GACARMEL beach you should go to Aug 26 12:29:15 RST38h, lol Aug 26 12:29:25 Mohammad: I am not joking though Aug 26 12:29:28 MohammadAG: that would probably my only miss if I relocate to Finland or germany one day Aug 26 12:29:40 MohammadAG: eer, sorry Aug 26 12:29:50 MohammadAG: make sure you don't have life, so you can concentrate on studies Aug 26 12:29:57 MohammadAG: the mechina is hard, but is possible Aug 26 12:30:00 RST38h, they do that? Aug 26 12:30:09 MohammadAG: I mean, you are 1000x times smarter than me so you'd make it no sweat. Aug 26 12:30:14 MOhammadAG: Around 1999 they did Aug 26 12:30:41 sivang, idk hebrew though :p Aug 26 12:30:49 MohammadAG: idk ? Aug 26 12:30:54 MOhammadAG: Seen a list of blocked accounts with reasons attached, 70% was "worked during Shabbat" Aug 26 12:30:55 ~idk Aug 26 12:30:55 it has been said that idk is I don't know Aug 26 12:30:58 MohammadAG: you know Hebrew , you mean? Aug 26 12:31:02