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Aug 27 03:54:18 <iluminator101> is there an app that when you take a pic, it stamps geolocation on it?
Aug 27 03:55:10 <iluminator101> i mean is there an app that when you take a pic stamps the coordinates on it?
Aug 27 03:57:28 <archl> iluminator101: I think it have a tag,not stamp,but why you want stamp? its hard to remove easier to add.
Aug 27 03:58:36 <iluminator101> archl, tag i meant when you take the pic it automatically adds the tag
Aug 27 03:59:24 <archl> iluminator101: its a feature in both camera and blessn900 application
Aug 27 03:59:38 <archl> iluminator101: you need to enable it
Aug 27 04:00:00 <iluminator101> camera is the default app that comes with maemo right?
Aug 27 04:00:45 <archl> right
Aug 27 04:01:01 <archl> it will enable GPS 
Aug 27 04:01:24 <archl> although catch satellite need sometime 
Aug 27 04:02:39 <iluminator101> cool thanks archl 
Aug 27 06:40:24 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: he's coming down for some of my friends' graduation
Aug 27 06:40:42 <crashanddie> Well, friends and one of my future employees, actually
Aug 27 13:06:21 * Sicelo just can't get long-tap right
Aug 27 13:50:40 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: yeah, longtap is difficult, I always use the scheme to tap+hold, then "drag+drop" to the according item in popup-menu
Aug 27 13:51:08 <DocScrutinizer> long-tap to open menu, then click on menu item, seems virtually impossible
Aug 27 13:51:31 <Sicelo> yeah. i thought maybe someone figured out a better way
Aug 27 13:52:25 <ShadowJK> I think opera's longtap is only one that doesn't need drag-drop
Aug 27 13:53:14 <DocScrutinizer> the key for succeeding long-tap is fast lift-off of the touching object
Aug 27 13:53:53 <joga> what's longtap?
Aug 27 13:54:08 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise bouncing touchscreen creates a bogus click on "button-up"
Aug 27 13:54:20 <DocScrutinizer> joga: click-and-hold
Aug 27 13:54:31 <joga> oh...
Aug 27 13:54:49 <DocScrutinizer> plus lift-off of "your finger" == long-tap
Aug 27 13:54:54 <joga> I never found anything wrong with it except that when I hold my finger there it's blocking the menu item
Aug 27 13:55:10 <joga> hmm, ok... I thought the menu would disappear when I lift the finger :)
Aug 27 13:55:26 <DocScrutinizer> more often than not the menu closes as soon as you lift off your finger
Aug 27 13:55:39 <DocScrutinizer> it's not supposed to do that
Aug 27 13:56:02 <joga> speaking of tricky tricks...clicking an url keypad closed is pretty hard
Aug 27 13:56:11 <DocScrutinizer> caused by a bogus click event during lift-off
Aug 27 13:56:18 <joga> with fingers at least..
Aug 27 13:56:53 <joga> DocScrutinizer, ok...haven't payed much attention to such myself, fortunately it's pretty rare that I have to bring up a context menu
Aug 27 13:56:56 <DocScrutinizer> depends where and how to click
Aug 27 13:57:01 <joga> *paid
Aug 27 13:57:02 <joga> :)
Aug 27 13:57:39 <DocScrutinizer> in browser a zoom-in can help much to make clicking URLs more easy
Aug 27 13:58:12 <joga> that's true
Aug 27 13:58:13 <DocScrutinizer> using your fingernail is another benefit of resistive touchscreen that won't work on N9's c-ts
Aug 27 13:58:27 <joga> often have to do it especially when on some transport
Aug 27 13:58:50 <joga> I always use my finger nail really, I kinda hit them a bit backwards I guess
Aug 27 13:59:23 <DocScrutinizer> maybe calibrating the sceen can help?
Aug 27 13:59:41 <DocScrutinizer> (have to admit I *never* done it on N900)
Aug 27 14:00:21 <DocScrutinizer> btw xchat is severely off for touchpoint vs screen display content
Aug 27 14:00:35 <DocScrutinizer> obviously some calculation/algo bug
Aug 27 14:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> I got used to it and compensate for it, so I never came to file a bug against it
Aug 27 14:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Aug 27 14:02:46 <ShadowJK> i never noticed that
Aug 27 14:03:38 <DocScrutinizer> it's fairly noticable when you try to grab the scrollbar. Needs clicking quite some mm inside the textbox
Aug 27 14:04:14 <DocScrutinizer> clicking *on* the scrollbar handle doesn't work
Aug 27 14:06:17 <joga> DocScrutinizer I think the problem with urls is more likely because I use a pretty small font and even a click might end up being a drag, first triggering the "copy/open" dialog but also the on-screen keyboard
Aug 27 14:06:39 <joga> but it sometimes works inconsistently too, I dunno
Aug 27 14:07:13 <joga> I nearly always have the keypad open anyway, I find the device easier to hold like that
Aug 27 14:08:32 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I rarely ever use scrollbar since I changed keymapping to scroll with up/down keys. So I forgot to annoy you all with my rant :-D
Aug 27 14:10:19 <joga> yesterday I realized that I've always been doing 1) flip the locking switch to turn on display 2) open keypad  for checking irc or something, but then when I close the keypad, I also have to flip the lock switch again, when instead I could simply just push the keypad up to check stuff and back in to lock the screen :)
Aug 27 14:11:53 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, the pity is it's not possible to lock screen unconditionally on closing kbd slider (unless you do some scripting hackery)
Aug 27 14:12:52 <DocScrutinizer> if you did some user interaction (tapping screen, pressing a key) while device unlocked by slider-opn, then slider-close won't lock again
Aug 27 18:13:07 <rhn> hi
Aug 27 18:13:46 <rhn> just started testing the GPS on my new n900 - anyone knows how to get proper HDOP values?
Aug 27 18:16:28 <Sicelo> hdop?
Aug 27 18:16:51 <rhn> dilution of precision
Aug 27 18:17:16 <rhn> they are an order of magnitude bigger than in my other units
Aug 27 18:19:16 <Sicelo> i don't know much about these things, unfortunately
Aug 27 18:20:09 <Sicelo> check out Columbus and Location Test
Aug 27 18:20:18 <Sicelo> maybe what u want is there
Aug 27 18:20:23 <rhn> let's see
Aug 27 18:33:20 <SpeedEvil> rhn: I think I submitted a bug on that.
Aug 27 18:33:28 <SpeedEvil> rhn: What software are you using?
Aug 27 18:33:39 <SpeedEvil> rhn: is it something that generates gpxs?
Aug 27 18:33:58 <rhn> SpeedEvil, I tried some gpx logging widget
Aug 27 18:34:22 <SpeedEvil> yes - it has a bug
Aug 27 18:34:30 <rhn> but AGTL and GPSRecorder show far too big values as well
Aug 27 18:34:50 <rhn> is it a software issue?
Aug 27 18:35:37 <rhn> does anyone know how to fix the value? some scaling perhaps?
Aug 27 18:36:04 <SpeedEvil> You know that HDOP is unitless?
Aug 27 18:36:13 <rhn> yup
Aug 27 18:36:38 <rhn> still, some relationship might exist
Aug 27 18:38:00 <rhn> SpeedEvil, can you post a link to the bug report?
Aug 27 18:40:19 <SpeedEvil> http://pastebin.com/4PrgafpM was mailed to marcell@maemo.org on 24/5/2010
Aug 27 18:40:42 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Aug 27 18:40:58 <SpeedEvil> I think I've actually submitted a seperate bug against something else
Aug 27 18:41:09 <rhn> I can see my exact story in that message
Aug 27 18:41:50 <rhn> against liblocation (or whatever it's called)?
Aug 27 18:43:09 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure - I think it was another logger widget that was logging HDOP but using the meters estimated error to do it - so was stupidly out
Aug 27 18:44:28 <SpeedEvil> Possibly 'gps recorder'
Aug 27 18:44:30 <SpeedEvil> unsure though
Aug 27 18:44:40 <rhn> I think it's what I'm using at the moment
Aug 27 18:44:51 <rhn> gotta look at liblocation in that case
Aug 27 18:44:51 <SpeedEvil> try the other wisget
Aug 27 18:45:08 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/view/gps-data-logger/
Aug 27 18:46:20 <SpeedEvil> Also - osm2go I think does it properly
Aug 27 18:47:28 <rhn> actually I was using GPS data logger
Aug 27 18:47:44 <rhn> so it's wrong as well
Aug 27 18:53:03 <rhn> does osm2go capture tracks at all?
Aug 27 19:17:22 <rhn> SpeedEvil, Columbus seems to return correct information, although it outputs NMEA
Aug 27 19:18:23 <rhn> oh wait, it uses fake HDOP
Aug 27 19:33:55 <ajay> hey folks..
Aug 27 19:34:19 <ajay> just wondering if anyone knows if there are folks working on Maemo for the touchpad?
Aug 27 19:34:59 <Sicelo> no. there aren't, and won't be. maybe MeeGo
Aug 27 19:35:11 <ajay> just realized that after i said it, heh.. ta!
Aug 27 19:48:03 <Sicelo> ~meh
Aug 27 19:48:03 <infobot> meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase
Aug 27 20:15:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf meh
Aug 27 20:15:50 <infobot> Gee...  I don't know what meh means... 
Aug 27 20:15:55 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict meh
Aug 27 20:15:58 <infobot> could not find definition for meh
Aug 27 20:39:05 <cehteh> ~meh dict :)
Aug 27 21:52:31 <smhar> I understand that it is possible now to use N900 in usb host, is there a way to connect say, a usb HD and still be able to charge N900 at the same time?
Aug 27 21:55:03 <SpeedEvil> yes
Aug 27 21:55:10 <SpeedEvil> You need a special cale though
Aug 27 21:55:13 <SpeedEvil> cable
Aug 27 21:55:26 <SpeedEvil> n900 will not power 99% of USB hard disks
Aug 27 21:55:43 <cehteh> and not charge while powering :)
Aug 27 21:56:10 <cehteh> its told to be working with some modified usb hubs
Aug 27 21:56:22 <cehteh> information about that is on tmo
Aug 27 21:57:15 <cehteh> and btw i wont even try to power a hdd ... the n900 was offically not designed to run in host mode and power devices
Aug 27 21:58:10 <cehteh> iirc it can deliver up to 250 mA or something like that, but if you blow a fuse on the mainboard you have a problem .. in case its not properly/fully electronically protected
Aug 27 22:01:05 <smhar> I mean the N900 charging not the HD. I would keep the N900 running for a long period while connected to a usb HD powered separately.
Aug 27 22:01:45 <cehteh> yes as i saied, thats possible with a modified powered hub
Aug 27 22:02:19 <cehteh> maybe you can even modify the usb hdd electronics to supply power on the usb host and then connect it directly
Aug 27 22:02:43 <cehteh> but i dont rememmber the details and how you configure the n900 for that, read tmo
Aug 27 22:05:06 <michl> here is it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Aug 27 22:07:27 <smhar> thank you a lot
Aug 27 22:07:35 <Gh0sty> hostmode is cool 
Aug 27 22:07:51 <Gh0sty> finally can offload my pictures from my camera to my phone as a backup :)
Aug 27 22:10:21 <Gh0sty> nevertheless probably get a black fruit soon, so I'll just use it as an internet tablet in the end I guess ... 
Aug 27 22:10:37 <Gh0sty> even wondering if it would be possible to remove the phone parts from the firmware :) 
Aug 27 23:58:27 <knocte> hello, I'm having an issue with the media player, I've deleted all my songs via the console when connecting it to the computer (via mass storage mode), but when I disconnect from the computer, the mediaplayer still claims to have all those songs
Aug 27 23:58:46 <knocte> anyone know how to tell the media-player to "refresh"?
Aug 27 23:58:50 <nid0> youll need to wait for it to reindex
Aug 27 23:59:14 <knocte> nid0: well, I've already waited like half hour :(
Aug 28 00:00:20 <psycho_oreos> maybe issue: tracker-process -r
Aug 28 00:00:47 <psycho_oreos> you'll probably need to wait even longer, as tracker-process restarts from nothing
Aug 28 00:00:48 <knocte> psycho_oreos: what do you mean, how can I kick the tracker-process?
Aug 28 00:01:05 <nid0> he means runs tracker-process -r from xterm
Aug 28 00:01:13 <nid0> (with media player closed)
Aug 28 00:01:25 <psycho_oreos> s/tracker-process/tracker-processes/
Aug 28 00:01:25 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: you'll probably need to wait even longer, as tracker-processes restarts from nothing
Aug 28 00:01:48 <knocte> ok, I'll try that
Aug 28 00:01:57 <psycho_oreos> and photos closed, conversations closed, etc
Aug 28 00:03:25 <knocte> tracker-process: not found
Aug 28 00:03:28 <knocte> where is it?
Aug 28 00:03:41 <psycho_oreos> tracker-processes
Aug 28 00:03:54 <knocte> ah oops
Aug 28 00:03:56 <psycho_oreos> tab completion ftw
Aug 28 00:05:07 <knocte> yeah but there is no tab in this keyboard right?
Aug 28 00:05:45 <psycho_oreos> there's a tab button on osso-xterm (unless you hacked it)
Aug 28 00:06:18 <knocte> ah cool, didn't notice that
Aug 28 00:11:28 <knocte> psycho_oreos: when you said "you'll probably need to wait even longer, as tracker-processes restarts from nothing", you were assuming I had a lot of songs? because now I want to sync only 2, and after I used tracker-processes, now it warns me all the time that there are no songs
Aug 28 00:13:19 <knocte> ok, google shows interesting stuff
Aug 28 00:13:20 <psycho_oreos> knocte, no I didn't assume anything. what tracker-processes -r does is that it kills trackerd and removes all the relevant database pertaining music/videos/photos/etc. Then sometime a few minutes or so afterwards trackerd is respawned and goes crawling around maemo looking for stuff to add according to tracker.cfg
Aug 28 00:13:50 <knocte> psycho_oreos: ah cool thanks, and cannot I respawn tracker manually?
Aug 28 00:14:06 <psycho_oreos> knocte, you probably could
Aug 28 00:14:48 <psycho_oreos> but even at that trackerd won't tell you much about what its doing unless you set it to verbose mode. I think the first few seconds of trackerd is set to idle for some reason
Aug 28 00:15:25 <knocte> what a pain
Aug 28 00:16:19 <psycho_oreos> patience is a virtue...
Aug 28 00:19:07 <knocte> heh
Aug 28 00:19:17 <knocte> psycho_oreos: what's the command to respawn?
Aug 28 00:19:38 <psycho_oreos> knocte, I don't know, I haven't dived that far in
Aug 28 00:21:10 <knocte> they recommend me to reboot in here: http://my-maemo.com/faq/showquestion.php?faq=5&fldAuto=32
Aug 28 00:21:23 <knocte> I assume most people here have a N900?
Aug 28 00:21:36 <knocte> how does meego run nowadays in it?
Aug 28 00:22:02 <psycho_oreos> still WIP, and yes probably a fair few of us has N900
Aug 28 00:22:27 <psycho_oreos> meego has their own support channel -> #meego
Aug 28 00:22:40 <knocte> do people  that test meego have dual boot with maemo and meego at the same time?
Aug 28 00:23:29 <psycho_oreos> its best to ask that question in #meego. Though that idea is best compared to having meego as the main OS
Aug 28 00:23:38 <ShadowJK> that's the only sensible way to do it (dualboot)
Aug 28 00:23:59 <knocte> ShadowJK: cool thanks
Aug 28 00:24:23 <knocte> I'm wondering if the media-player in meego is much better than maemo's..
Aug 28 00:24:41 <ShadowJK> Well I couldn't figure out how to make it play music
Aug 28 00:24:55 <ShadowJK> and video is distorted last time I checked
Aug 28 00:25:09 <knocte> shit
Aug 28 00:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> how could it be better, though it's not using the supposedly good blob hw support maemo got
Aug 28 00:54:14 <knocte> well, maemo's doesn't have rating feature, which is surprising
Aug 28 00:55:15 <psycho_oreos> and its not mandator
Aug 28 00:55:19 <psycho_oreos> mandatory*
Aug 28 00:57:20 <psycho_oreos> if you want a handheld device that can probably do ratings, there's iphone :p
Aug 28 01:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> wtf ratings? for videos? or instead of the rather sufficient name-able sore-able playlists for music?
Aug 28 01:00:23 <DocScrutinizer> store-able*
Aug 28 01:01:07 <DocScrutinizer> hell, it's not even rocket science to edit the playlists
Aug 28 01:03:40 <DocScrutinizer> also it's no science at all to get a queenbeecon button that calls a python 10-liner to increment the rating value of that entry in a plain text list that has the same name as song just played
Aug 28 01:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> mafw tells you what's the song just played, via dbus call, the rest is unix toolbox 101
Aug 28 01:06:14 <ShadowJK> lol
Aug 28 01:06:24 <DocScrutinizer> then there's "most recently played" and "never played" and whatnot predefined playlists each of which could get "abused" to show the songs with highest rating
Aug 28 01:06:33 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: lol?
Aug 28 01:06:52 <ShadowJK> Instead of a "rating" button, how about automatically assigning score based on how far into the song you listen before you switch to the next one
Aug 28 01:07:31 <ShadowJK> and then group songs into groups depending on "listened to all of this song today, and also these songs", so it starts learning what songs you like in different moods
Aug 28 01:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> I hesitated to suggest this as I didn't feel like discussing the pros and cons of this approach
Aug 28 01:08:09 <ShadowJK> This rating thing just seems a bit strange to me, because one day a song could be a 1-star, and another day it could be a 5 :P
Aug 28 01:08:14 <knocte> DocScrutinizer: sounds good, where can I get the codez
Aug 28 01:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> honestly I don't need all this, I think it's useless fancy
Aug 28 01:08:49 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, your last letter spoiled it
Aug 28 01:09:16 <ShadowJK> (doesn't exist)
Aug 28 01:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> knocte: ^^^ "codes" I might have delivered
Aug 28 01:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> knocte: plz lrn 2 wr8 < 1337
Aug 28 01:10:22 <knocte> lol
Aug 28 01:13:47 <knocte> DocScrutinizer: no, seriously, where's the repo? is it implemented in python?
Aug 28 01:15:08 <jpinx> anyone found a way to boot the n900 direct into a terminal - maybe without phone functions ?
Aug 28 01:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> knocte: sorry, which part of >>get a queenbeecon button that calls a python 10-liner<< made you think any of this already exists ready for you to click "install"?
Aug 28 01:16:32 <knocte> DocScrutinizer: I meant if the mediaplayer is implements in python
Aug 28 01:16:44 <knocte> s/implements/implemented
Aug 28 01:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> the mediaplayer is closed source
Aug 28 01:17:04 <knocte> wtf
Aug 28 01:17:14 <DocScrutinizer> the playlists it sstores are plaintext
Aug 28 01:17:36 <knocte> I thought the whole maemo was open source?
Aug 28 01:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> or you go for MohammadAG 's remake
Aug 28 01:18:05 <DocScrutinizer> knocte: who told you that fairy tale?
Aug 28 01:18:38 <DocScrutinizer> the core system is (mostly) FOSS, the apps are not
Aug 28 01:19:17 <knocte> ok :(
Aug 28 01:19:27 <knocte> how about meego, apps are opensource?
Aug 28 01:19:32 <DocScrutinizer> neither dialer, nor calendar or mediaplayer or contacts or...
Aug 28 01:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> for now yes, until somebody decides to publish closed source stuff
Aug 28 01:20:06 <jpinx> calendar is a useless pos :)
Aug 28 01:20:35 * ShadowJK finds it useful
Aug 28 01:22:02 <DocScrutinizer> the point however about ratings of music is that you have all you need to even interface closed stock mediaplayer to add that function, with sth a 1st semester CS student should build in 2h. There are most probably other mediaplayers available that already have rating funtion
Aug 28 01:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> or you add it to mohamediaplayer and use this stock media player clone instead of the original one
Aug 28 01:23:32 <knocte> DocScrutinizer: media players for maemo? where to find them?
Aug 28 01:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> in extras repo?
Aug 28 01:23:53 <knocte> ok thanks
Aug 28 01:24:01 <DocScrutinizer> hell, maybe even in extras-devel, OMFG
Aug 28 01:24:33 <DocScrutinizer> I think I've seen half a dozen at least
Aug 28 01:24:40 <knocte> cool
Aug 28 01:24:53 <DocScrutinizer> canola, mohammad's
Aug 28 01:25:00 <DocScrutinizer> the russian guy's
Aug 28 01:25:20 <cehteh> mplayer and a shell script :P
Aug 28 01:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=media&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same    http://maemo.org/packages/view/tomamp/  http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[
Aug 28 01:29:15 <DocScrutinizer> 1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=canola&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same  
Aug 28 01:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156&highlight=mediaplayer
Aug 28 01:39:43 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/view/someplayer/
Aug 28 01:42:21 <utanapischti> DocScrutinizer: ?
Aug 28 01:42:36 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Aug 28 01:43:00 <utanapischti> please add comments to urls posted
Aug 28 01:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> why?
Aug 28 01:43:22 <utanapischti> we shall know you?
Aug 28 01:43:24 <DocScrutinizer> the comments are *before* the URLs
Aug 28 01:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> utanapischti: we shall know YOU?
Aug 28 01:43:46 * jpinx is glad he is not on irc on the n900 
Aug 28 01:43:48 <utanapischti> or shall we click evewry link you post?
Aug 28 01:44:13 <utanapischti> 03:39:48  DocScrutinizer | utanapischti: we shall know YOU?b  << i dont post links here
Aug 28 01:44:14 <DocScrutinizer> you're free to click whatever you like
Aug 28 01:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> no you drop in to a slow convo unsolicited, giving weird advice
Aug 28 01:45:21 <utanapischti> ?
Aug 28 01:45:44 <utanapischti> we are not all born with englisg tounge
Aug 28 01:46:01 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Aug 28 01:46:12 <utanapischti> ok
Aug 28 01:46:13 <jpinx> anyone found a way to boot the n900 direct into a terminal - maybe without phone functions ?
Aug 28 01:46:18 <utanapischti> *plonk*
Aug 28 01:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> dang
Aug 28 01:47:06 <utanapischti> hey!
Aug 28 01:47:17 <utanapischti> me not kicked?
Aug 28 01:47:28 <utanapischti> what have i done wrong?
Aug 28 01:48:28 <nox-> ~docscrutinizer
Aug 28 01:48:28 <infobot> [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Aug 28 01:48:44 <nox-> he's a regular, his links are usually okay :)
Aug 28 01:48:58 <nox-> bbl
Aug 28 01:49:55 <utanapischti> ?
Aug 28 01:50:08 <utanapischti> paranoia?
Aug 28 01:51:01 <utanapischti> chats on freenode always feel kinda strange
Aug 28 01:53:03 <utanapischti> omg! he didnt kick me! 
Aug 28 01:53:18 <utanapischti> what have i done wrong?
Aug 28 01:53:23 <DocScrutinizer> utanapischti: but I will if you continue to play the asshead
Aug 28 01:53:47 <utanapischti> i'd be proud to be...
Aug 28 01:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> you gave strange advice to add comments to URLs while the URLs themselves were comments to the previous convo
Aug 28 01:54:34 <utanapischti> an typical irc problem?
Aug 28 01:54:40 <utanapischti> -n
Aug 28 01:55:00 <DocScrutinizer> so you suggested to give comments to comments, and you asked "should we know you?" whichj is the first word of _you_ I ever heard in this chan
Aug 28 01:55:23 <utanapischti> then you have no good logs
Aug 28 01:55:35 <DocScrutinizer> I need no logs
Aug 28 01:55:38 <utanapischti> that was not my first line in here
Aug 28 01:55:57 <DocScrutinizer> anyway you're boring me, sorry
Aug 28 01:56:16 <utanapischti> 1:1
Aug 28 01:57:08 <DocScrutinizer> well, then I suggest you keep me on your ignore list. This would help me as well as then I don't have to cope with your silly comments
Aug 28 01:57:08 <utanapischti> (silent now...)
Aug 28 01:58:42 <utanapischti> silly comments? ok... you're lucky... i decided " 1:1 " before...
Aug 28 01:59:09 <utanapischti> just let us go in different directions now
Aug 28 01:59:44 <utanapischti> without weighting weighting whos wrong or right... ok?
Aug 28 02:00:04 <utanapischti> good night!
Aug 28 02:00:04 <DocScrutinizer> I'll go nowhere, you're free to go whereever you want, but please do it _now_
Aug 28 02:00:12 <utanapischti> 03:56:14    utanapischti | good night!
Aug 28 02:00:44 <utanapischti> look at the timestamp
Aug 28 02:00:55 <utanapischti> i'll be there tomorrow...
Aug 28 02:01:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=utanapischti
Aug 28 02:01:36 <DocScrutinizer> look at this, for "not your first line here"
Aug 28 02:02:04 <jpinx> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=utanapischti
Aug 28 02:02:13 <utanapischti> ?
Aug 28 02:02:17 <DocScrutinizer> you're free to enter "DocScrutinizer" into the searchfield to answer your own question of "should we know you?"
Aug 28 02:02:27 * utanapischti is here as utanapischti and sasquatch
Aug 28 02:02:49 <utanapischti> sometimes weechat connects me with my 2nd nick
Aug 28 02:02:59 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG
Aug 28 02:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> *plonk*
Aug 28 02:03:12 <utanapischti> ok
Aug 28 02:04:21 <utanapischti> whats your problem?
Aug 28 02:04:47 <jpinx> 03:59 [freenode] -!- There is no such nick sasquatch
Aug 28 02:06:13 <sasquatch> 04:01:46  -- | NickServ (NickServ@services.): Information on sasquatch (account _yeti_):
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Aug 28 02:06:16 <sasquatch>              | days, 16:47:47 ago)                                                               
Aug 28 02:07:24 <sasquatch> can we go to sleep (4:04 am here...) now and meed again more friendly tomorrow?
Aug 28 02:07:32 <sasquatch> meeT
Aug 28 02:08:18 <sasquatch> _o/  ___ ( pro! )
Aug 28 02:09:41 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=utanapischti -> 79 matches in 1764 log files with 4301570 lines || http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=sasquatch -> 57 matches in 1764 log files with 4301594 lines 
Aug 28 02:10:05 <DocScrutinizer> I can clearly see why _you_ don't know me
Aug 28 02:10:07 <sasquatch> and?
Aug 28 02:10:40 <sasquatch> you got a problem when someone doesnt know you?
Aug 28 02:11:22 <DocScrutinizer> yes, when the same fool is asking "shall we know you" and thinks he needs to teach me about sth he's in fact wrong about
Aug 28 02:11:50 <sasquatch> ?
Aug 28 02:11:56 <sasquatch> explain!
Aug 28 02:13:06 * sasquatch should have left when reading "same fool"...
Aug 28 02:13:18 <sasquatch> but i'm curious
Aug 28 02:13:25 <sasquatch> explain!
Aug 28 02:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> jump!
Aug 28 02:14:09 <Sc0rpius> is the Nokia N9 being sold in all major stores or not yet?
Aug 28 02:14:15 <Sc0rpius> when will be out if it isn't?
Aug 28 02:14:15 <sasquatch> ?
Aug 28 02:14:30 <Sc0rpius> I'm a little behind in news
Aug 28 02:15:29 <DocScrutinizer> Sc0rpius: latest news in rumour are it's in fact not sold in Germany, UK and a few other countries
Aug 28 02:16:00 * sasquatch just is disturbed and does not know how to have deserved those last 15 minutes#
Aug 28 02:16:09 <Sc0rpius> so it's not been officially released yet
Aug 28 02:16:15 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Aug 28 02:18:31 <Sc0rpius> so we all still have our N900s
Aug 28 02:18:35 <sasquatch> seems i dont know what "04:09:47 DocScrutinizer | jump!" means
Aug 28 02:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> Sc0rpius: indeed, most of us. Some lost it MIA at a nokia care center
Aug 28 02:20:51 <DocScrutinizer> Sc0rpius: some of the best of us got lured on the dark side with a thing called N950
Aug 28 02:21:12 <Sc0rpius> nice
Aug 28 02:21:24 <DocScrutinizer> debatable
Aug 28 02:21:42 <Sc0rpius> you don't like it?
Aug 28 02:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> definitely not
Aug 28 02:22:08 <Sc0rpius> what you don't like about it?
Aug 28 02:22:41 <Sc0rpius> it doesn't have the AMOLED screen the N9 has
Aug 28 02:22:52 <Sc0rpius> (or supposed to have)
Aug 28 02:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> the fact that N9 will have no hw kbd, no proper touchscreen (just this useless capacitive ts), and most of all I hate the fact that harmattan is more closed than any maemo OS before in a certain way
Aug 28 02:23:46 <Sc0rpius> heh
Aug 28 02:24:00 <Sc0rpius> well actually I was asking you if you like the N950 you got
Aug 28 02:24:34 <DocScrutinizer> not really as it has most of the disadvantages I enumerated above
Aug 28 02:25:08 <Sc0rpius> the N9 is my last hope of a real OS in a phone :(
Aug 28 02:25:37 <Sc0rpius> all I ask is have 10 SSH at the same time without disconnecting when you do other things with the phone (you can't do that on Android)
Aug 28 02:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> I *maybe* could live with N950 when it had *)no aegis *)support for landscape in all apps
Aug 28 02:26:16 <Sc0rpius> I wonder if WP7 is fully multitask
Aug 28 02:26:27 <Sc0rpius> just wondering, I don't think I'll ever move to that
Aug 28 02:26:28 <DocScrutinizer> *)proper hw kbd support
Aug 28 02:27:00 <Sc0rpius> the support for landscape could come, it's a very new OS
Aug 28 02:28:05 * luke-jr hopes someone picks up the handheld market sooner rather than later
Aug 28 02:28:14 <luke-jr> there was what? 4 years between Sharp and Nokia
Aug 28 02:28:15 <luke-jr> ?
Aug 28 02:28:28 * DocScrutinizer feels alike
Aug 28 02:28:53 <sasquatch> so what? the war will be android vs microsoft...
Aug 28 02:29:10 <Sc0rpius> and iOS?
Aug 28 02:29:25 <sasquatch> ios will fade till iphone5
Aug 28 02:29:34 <sasquatch> then shortly explode...
Aug 28 02:29:42 <sasquatch> and fade agein
Aug 28 02:29:50 <Sc0rpius> let's hope so.
Aug 28 02:30:19 <sasquatch> aple is good to present new directions... not to maintain them
Aug 28 02:31:17 <sasquatch> apple always faded in stocks when competitors brougt the same stuff...
Aug 28 02:32:20 <sasquatch> i kinda liked the apple 1 to III
Aug 28 02:32:23 <sasquatch> and lisa
Aug 28 02:32:39 <sasquatch> and the macintoshs up to late 680x0ers
Aug 28 02:33:00 <sasquatch> but then apple took a turn i didnt like
Aug 28 02:35:17 <sasquatch> compare apple-II to the 1st PCs...
Aug 28 02:35:32 <sasquatch> slots fpr expansion cards?
Aug 28 02:35:46 <sasquatch> not an ibm invention...
Aug 28 02:36:15 <sasquatch> apple was a good breed someday...
Aug 28 02:36:37 <sasquatch> others copied their ideas
Aug 28 02:37:25 * sasquatch was on trs-80 in apple 1-2-3 days...
Aug 28 02:38:09 <sasquatch> a well defined expansion bus (like in apple-II) would have been fine for trs-80
Aug 28 02:38:58 <sasquatch> those were the days where apple was sympathic(!?)
Aug 28 02:39:59 <sasquatch> and that lasted to the end of mac-68k-days...
Aug 28 02:40:09 <sasquatch> halfway...
Aug 28 02:44:58 <javispedro> plus it's time to remove nitdroid from the topic I think
Aug 28 02:45:05 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: HI!
Aug 28 02:45:19 <javispedro> hi :)
Aug 28 02:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> really?
Aug 28 02:45:52 <DocScrutinizer> you just returned from the funeral party?
Aug 28 02:45:58 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
Aug 28 02:46:08 * javispedro is doing RL work :(
Aug 28 02:46:30 <javispedro> either way yes, I think it's time to remove it
Aug 28 02:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> not on nitdidiot I hope
Aug 28 02:46:49 <javispedro> obviously not
Aug 28 02:47:13 <javispedro> if you get more stupid queries you can readdit, but so far, I think all it's doing is sending hits to nitdridiot.
Aug 28 02:47:36 <DocScrutinizer> oh yes, indeed
Aug 28 02:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> though you could as well claim it made the stupid queries vanish almost completely :-D
Aug 28 02:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> we'll see
Aug 28 02:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~maemo-multiboot
Aug 28 02:49:24 <infobot> from memory, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack
Aug 28 02:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~maemo-multiboot is also PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Aug 28 02:50:15 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Aug 28 02:51:37 <javispedro> we'll see indeed.
Aug 28 02:53:29 <javispedro> oh god
Aug 28 02:54:10 <javispedro> just watch the problems #webos is seemingly having now that android users have all but overrun it.
Aug 28 02:54:23 * javispedro knocks on wood
Aug 28 02:56:26 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not on #webos :-)
Aug 28 02:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: what's your RL work?
Aug 28 02:57:05 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: to sum it up: "<rwhitby> first time we've had to ban anyone in two years"
Aug 28 02:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Aug 28 02:57:30 * DocScrutinizer giggles
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