**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 29 02:59:57 2011 Aug 29 03:20:08 * Choom is away: test Aug 29 04:50:43 Somebody remind me how to change calcs in ATI85. Aug 29 04:57:09 left-topcorner Aug 29 07:20:31 is it true? has nokia development being compromised? Aug 29 07:22:47 ? Aug 29 07:23:53 ? Aug 29 07:24:34 Compromised by whom? Aug 29 07:24:40 cityLights: so it seems http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/ Aug 29 07:24:59 Ah that one, it is a fishing attack Aug 29 07:25:20 Do not click on that email Aug 29 07:26:34 cityLights, it is not a Nokia development but rather Nokia's web site for developers. Feel the difference. Aug 29 07:27:04 right Aug 29 07:27:13 Moo, ab Aug 29 07:27:22 RST38h, beeh Aug 29 07:27:31 I got a relevent question Aug 29 07:27:42 ever since the power kernel update Aug 29 07:27:58 Whoever broke into that SQL DB is sending out emails with exactly the same text from Nokia's site and an offer to click on a link that will do bad things to your computer. Aug 29 07:28:00 which didnt work ok, with me, and I had to flash Aug 29 07:28:47 but now I cant use mobilehotspot Aug 29 07:28:56 a modules is missing Aug 29 07:29:15 nf_counterback Aug 29 07:29:23 which package owns it? Aug 29 07:30:11 I just received that e-mail Aug 29 07:30:29 who would click a link wl4.peer360..../loadofcrap anyway? Aug 29 07:31:38 Some idiot always will. Aug 29 07:31:40 how to ask all packages dependednt of mobilehostspot? Aug 29 07:33:21 u probably haven't enabled all the repos u had before Aug 29 07:35:19 apt-cache show mobile hotspot Aug 29 07:44:19 apt-cache rdepends mobilehostspot? Aug 29 07:44:28 dunno if it works on maemo Aug 29 07:49:13 it works, but seems apt-cache depends gives the info Aug 29 10:21:31 Well, I have to say, streaming mp3 files over SSH/SCP to my laptop seems to work, though *occasionally* it skips. Aug 29 12:31:20 anybody successfully working with qt mobility 1.2 on the n900? Aug 29 12:54:13 which scratchbox should i go with? is version2 fine for fremantle/n900? Aug 29 12:56:40 ah geez, why is there no clear instruction Aug 29 12:56:45 important notice from Nokia to all users of developer.nokia.com -> http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ Aug 29 13:01:28 radiofree: iirc Nokia used peer360 for his developer newsletter for several years. The page linked by the URL looks clean Aug 29 13:01:41 DocScrutinizer: hah, alright :) Aug 29 13:03:06 radiofree: of course I suggest to be as careful when visiting that page as you should be with any other unknown webpage you visit Aug 29 13:04:33 360 is all that research stuff too afair Aug 29 13:05:29 Indeed. Aug 29 13:05:44 I'm _really_ surprised the n900 user experience survey is still ongoing. Aug 29 13:05:47 >>© Nokia 2011 • A Product of Horizon Marketing Group • Powered by Peer360°<< Aug 29 13:06:51 the url looks pretty shady to me Aug 29 13:07:06 there's no way I'd ever click that in an e-mail Aug 29 13:08:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation seems to use scratchbox1, http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html seems to be based on scratchbox2, which is the way to go? im so confused :( Aug 29 13:09:34 host is ubuntu lucid (10.4) Aug 29 13:13:24 Ex-Board Member Says HP Is Committing 'Corporate Suicide' Aug 29 13:13:30 I think the scratchbox comes with the SDK install, no? Aug 29 13:13:38 What is it with corporations committing suicide nowadays? Aug 29 13:14:04 RST38h: spreading desease Aug 29 13:14:05 Apple has an incentive program. Aug 29 13:14:19 RST38h: the hippies of the 1969 generation coming out of their disguises as businessmen to bring down the world of business Aug 29 13:14:20 Take down your company, and we pay you $100m under the table. Aug 29 13:14:43 Stskeeps: I can almost believe it Aug 29 13:14:43 duh, wasn't that the M$-way? Aug 29 13:14:57 The apparent new focus on going head-to-head with SAP (Apotheker's former employer) and Oracle (Hurd's new employer) in enterprise software while ignoring the company's traditional strengths, said a software exec, is 'as if Alan Mulally left Boeing to join Ford as CEO, and announced six months later that Ford would be making airplanes.' Aug 29 13:17:38 you know why $random-ethnic-group hasn't achieved to have a man in orbit yet? Because Ford doesn't build rockets Aug 29 13:17:50 (old silly joke) Aug 29 13:18:18 too deep, the meaning has been lost in time, I guess... Aug 29 13:19:36 only funny when random-ethnic-group is notorious to prefer Ford for their holiday trips. Replace Ford by any car brand that applies to your local situation Aug 29 13:21:35 of course this joke quite usually also isn't PC Aug 29 13:21:39 docscrutinizer: yes, but there seem to be multiple "final sdk" versions. one based on sb1 the other on sb2, then there is a garage repo for one, there are different instructions, im just not sure which is the newest/most stable. unfortunately, i find this to be a big problem of the maemo dev pages. too many places for information which is almost always outdated Aug 29 13:22:14 :nod: Aug 29 13:22:31 soory I can't help, no idea about it here either Aug 29 13:23:47 at least from mediawiki's history you could tell what date the original page as well as possible edits are Aug 29 13:24:50 ok thanks for listening though. i guess ill just try all of em, one by one Aug 29 13:25:11 just seems weird, that nobody is using them or has used them for development Aug 29 13:25:23 lol - start with the higher numbers, I.E. sb2 I'd suggest ;-D Aug 29 13:26:25 yep Aug 29 13:26:51 Anyone up to connecting this guy to Maemo/Meego: http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/29/e-funs-apen-a3-stylus-brings-digitized-scribbles-to-android-bl/ ? Aug 29 13:43:19 Doc: But, shit, I have no idea what random-ethnic-group preferred Fords Aug 29 13:43:36 Doc: The British? =) Aug 29 13:55:00 here in Germany it's been the Turkish Aug 29 13:55:37 that supposedly did Aug 29 15:53:44 How depressing. http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/29/touchpad-port-of-cm7-in-the-works-can-barely-be-called-an-alpha/ Aug 29 16:03:55 no one porting meego yet? Aug 29 16:04:16 snapdragon :/ Aug 29 16:04:27 (AFAIK) Aug 29 16:18:13 HELO PUNKS Aug 29 16:49:01 RST38h: hostname PUNKS unknown Aug 29 16:52:16 punks not dead but smell as if they were Aug 29 16:53:27 err, "it just smells thay way" originally Aug 29 17:09:12 Meanwhile:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/29/amsung_thinking_of_webos_acquisition/ Aug 29 19:21:11 hi, I'm trying to build hildon desktop following directions @http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/Building whick links to https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/jhbuild_modules <-- this does not exist. What is the up-to-date way to install hildon desktop ? Aug 29 21:20:31 join #maemo-dev Aug 29 21:51:17 MohammadAG: ping Aug 29 21:52:03 pong Aug 29 21:52:20 hi Aug 29 21:52:34 why is it so hard to use scratchbox ? :-) Aug 29 21:53:09 it's just a chroot :P Aug 29 21:53:13 I'm currently working on source code, modify it whit quilt Aug 29 21:54:19 MohammadAG: hello I am trying to compile u-boot for N900 , tried different toolchains, all the same resukt: loading kernel ... (original maemo kernel) what can i do ? Aug 29 21:54:20 why after pushing my patch into debian patch, when it try to compile, i have this error : Aug 29 21:54:22 Applying patch class10sd_dto14_fix.diff Aug 29 21:54:23 Applying patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff Aug 29 21:54:25 patch: **** strip count ab is not a number Aug 29 21:54:26 Patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff does not apply (enforce with -f) Aug 29 21:54:28 make: *** [source-stamp] Error 1 Aug 29 21:54:29 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/kernel-power/kernel-power-2.6.28] > Aug 29 21:54:31 any idea ? Aug 29 21:55:57 what's the problem nschle85 ? Aug 29 21:57:04 MohammadAG: the compiled u-boot does not boot the combined nolo kernel Aug 29 21:57:29 last message: starting kernel ... Aug 29 21:58:14 is it 2.6.28-omap1 Aug 29 21:59:01 MohammadAG: from this package: kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb Aug 29 21:59:33 MohammadAG: how do you build the u-boot image ? Aug 29 22:01:47 for those claiming maemo is dead: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/ Aug 29 22:15:09 No idea about my problem ? Aug 29 22:19:58 Applying patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff Aug 29 22:19:59 patch: **** strip count ab is not a number Aug 29 22:20:01 Patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff does not apply (enforce with -f) Aug 29 22:20:03 make: *** [source-stamp] Error 1 Aug 29 22:20:04 Any idea ? Aug 29 22:20:19 damn !!! bad channel :-( sorry Aug 29 22:30:56 you've not seen bad channels yet Aug 29 22:31:29 ~question Aug 29 22:31:29 well, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Aug 29 22:33:58 but yeah, shame on all those 80% of channel users sitting in front of their PC somewhere in Europe, in a TZ where it's 23:30, or more like 00:30 or 01:30, and whatching for 25(!!!) minutes without answering your most urgent question Aug 29 22:34:34 you for sure made some friends, pal Aug 29 23:01:10 DocScrutinizer: don't know if you answer was sarcastic or not, but in his defense, and in order to say something useless before bed time, the use of "bad" for "wrong" is a common mistake for native french speakers as he seems to be Aug 29 23:03:00 s/you/your/ Aug 29 23:04:06 I don't think he confused bad with wrong Aug 29 23:04:55 ~status Aug 29 23:04:55 Since Mon Aug 15 18:07:02 2011, there have been 57 modifications, 678 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 357 commands. I have been awake for 14d 4h 53m 50s this session, and currently reference 118109 factoids. I'm using about 22372 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3888.17/113.01 child 0/0 Aug 29 23:04:56 docscrutinizer: yay, scummvw within the latest packages ;) Aug 29 23:45:19 Hi I appear to have filled the root filesystem on my N900 Maemo, can anyone suggest some actions? Aug 29 23:50:02 one reason could be that you have installed many applications, so get rid of those you actually don't need. Aug 30 00:31:39 docScrutinizer: believe it or not, i got the sdk up, compiled the mobility source and its working Aug 30 00:32:36 yup, installing apps/pkgs that are not optified can cause this. Another good place to look for files to delete/move is /tmp/ and /var/log/ Aug 30 00:34:22 Primes: keep in mind though that rootfs is ubifs, and that fs seems to have some sort of delayed delete action with garbarge collection, I.E. odds are that after a boot you find some space on / recovered Aug 30 00:35:41 though I wouldn't rely on only this, as you'll end with a bootloop and have to reflash rootfs if the space recovered by boot isn't sufficient for the system's requirements during boot Aug 30 00:36:09 so better make sure you got some MB free space prior to rebooting Aug 30 01:05:52 NIN101 yes I installed a lot of apps, but with zero space I could not dpkg --configure -a. Now I made some space I was able to uninstall a few Aug 30 01:06:15 I moved the ovi maps and microb into /opt Aug 30 01:06:49 Thanks docscrutinizer I'm trying a reboot too Aug 30 01:08:47 n8 Aug 30 01:19:37 hi, i have a situation Aug 30 01:19:46 I using the latest maemo on n900 Aug 30 01:20:03 how do I switch the apmd on Aug 30 01:20:09 from the terminal? Aug 30 01:22:02 DocScrutinizer: ^^ if you are free Aug 30 01:32:08 apmd? Aug 30 01:32:43 apm is a historical powersaving solution, not used anymore on PCs since the 90s. Aug 30 01:33:00 There is no APM in the n900 at all. Aug 30 01:37:44 one of the replacement battery icon shit has a "apmd" I think Aug 30 01:37:46 not sure Aug 30 01:38:15 :-D Aug 30 01:38:48 I think the solution was to uninstall/reinstall that Aug 30 01:38:56 or just uninstall it Aug 30 01:39:28 solution for what? Aug 30 01:39:51 yep Aug 30 01:40:01 yep? Aug 30 01:40:04 it was something called advanced-power Aug 30 01:40:10 dumb dumb app :( Aug 30 01:40:10 duh Aug 30 01:40:26 btw, one question - I cant automatically set the time Aug 30 01:40:30 is there a fix? Aug 30 01:40:33 is this THAT "app" of THAT guy?? Aug 30 01:41:01 oh no THAT app was power-optimizer or sth like that Aug 30 01:41:08 DocScrutinizer: yes, which mentions apmd as the missing link Aug 30 01:41:14 THAT guy? Aug 30 01:41:42 well, I just did apt-get install --reinstall advanced-power Aug 30 01:41:44 and it worked Aug 30 01:41:47 the guy that *sells* sqlite3 evacuate Aug 30 01:41:55 lol Aug 30 01:42:08 sqlite3 what? :) Aug 30 01:42:18 vacuum? Aug 30 01:42:25 rofl Aug 30 01:42:26 how does the time and date - set automatically work? which timeserver does it contact? Aug 30 01:42:27 whatever Aug 30 01:42:27 DocScrutinizer, umad 'cause he better at monetizing than you. Aug 30 01:42:48 YES!! Aug 30 01:42:54 ;-P Aug 30 01:42:55 lol Aug 30 01:43:20 so if i have nothing but my n900 and need sasl i guess i need gcc... sigh Aug 30 01:43:35 kakashi_: it's done via GSM Aug 30 01:43:48 kakashi_, it gets it from cellular network, if and when your operator sends time update Aug 30 01:43:51 GSM sends time msgs Aug 30 01:44:00 is there a way I can monitor that? Aug 30 01:44:11 hmm, maybe Aug 30 01:44:19 dbus might have sth Aug 30 01:44:26 syslog might have sth Aug 30 01:44:40 of course you could strace cellmo*d Aug 30 01:44:50 or whatever that part is called Aug 30 01:44:57 hmm Aug 30 01:44:58 with one operator i have card for, time msg only gets sent when establishing gprs connection Aug 30 01:45:13 weird Aug 30 01:45:39 ShadowJK: unfortunately it doesn't work that way here, I restarted the device for something, but the time still has not changed Aug 30 01:45:40 :( Aug 30 01:45:51 there also is at least one gps tool that sets the clock Aug 30 01:45:57 oh! Aug 30 01:46:08 *maybe* you could even convince pnatd to tel you, when you know the right AT command and pnatd supports it Aug 30 01:46:10 nox-: name/link or some Aug 30 01:46:18 * nox- grabs n900 Aug 30 01:46:31 nox: i need :) Aug 30 01:46:43 i think gps recorder is it Aug 30 01:47:24 kakashi_: have you actually enabled automatic setting of time in settings->date&time ? Aug 30 01:47:39 yes, I have Aug 30 01:47:48 yeah its gps recorder Aug 30 01:47:52 aha Aug 30 01:48:00 i know gpsjinni will not set the clock, i set the clock manually from it in the forest Aug 30 01:48:08 nox: thx Aug 30 01:48:31 (it said my clock was off -2s) Aug 30 01:48:47 o_O Aug 30 01:48:52 dang, you'd think you could set up/configure the system to get GPS time for a stratum1 local server whenever available Aug 30 01:49:24 a pity maemo is so crippled, compared to a "real linux" like e.g. SHR Aug 30 01:49:43 well gprs/3g latencies are not too good for ntp... Aug 30 01:49:58 or shall i say jitter Aug 30 01:50:26 ntp should compensate jitter Aug 30 01:50:32 and RTT Aug 30 01:50:37 mhm Aug 30 01:51:11 mobile connections may fluctuate more than it can handle Aug 30 01:51:20 hmm Aug 30 01:52:04 the main problem is ntp doesn't play nice with intermittent connectivity Aug 30 01:52:29 well yeah that too Aug 30 01:52:47 and isn't really optimized for power savings, I.E. assumes CPU usage is for free Aug 30 01:52:55 *nod* Aug 30 01:53:24 on an embedded device it's crazy to sync time every 11 minutes Aug 30 01:53:45 nox-: I can't find it :( Aug 30 01:54:09 nox-: can you please tell me its package name Aug 30 01:54:35 http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpsrecorder/ Aug 30 01:54:56 http://maemo.org/packages/ Aug 30 01:55:08 yeah that Aug 30 01:56:59 is there not a setting for the clock to be updated by the mobile network? Aug 30 01:57:29 yes, see backscroll Aug 30 01:57:56 ok - just woke up.. :| Aug 30 01:58:30 np, just look ~80..100 lines up Aug 30 01:59:08 * jpinx hates scrollng on n900 screen ;) Aug 30 01:59:22 but yes - I see it. Aug 30 02:05:18 nox-: I guess a nice script using ntpd -qddgf /dev/null plus some goodies to determine if there's any connection to internet at all, plus a hwclock --systohc if ntpd succeeded, and cal that via alarmed once or twice a day, maybe also from ifup - that should do a way better job than a standard ntpd install Aug 30 02:05:47 yeah or maybe just an ntpdate from cron Aug 30 02:05:54 or, gps :) Aug 30 02:06:04 ntpdate is no more, cron never existed on maemo Aug 30 02:06:15 heh Aug 30 02:06:42 actually I hate they killed ntpdate Aug 30 02:07:00 as ntpd -q has no way to just _display_ the ntp date Aug 30 02:08:02 I frequently used to do a "date;hwclock;ntpdate;date" to see what's up with my different time sources Aug 30 02:08:14 can't do that no more :-( Aug 30 02:09:45 ooh btw don't forget the --noadjfile parameter when you do the hwclock --systohc Aug 30 02:11:51 nokia developers forum hacked? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14706810 Aug 30 02:11:59 though this situation where you do hwclock --systohc directly after a successful ntpdate that sets system clock correctly is the only reasonable way to handle adjtime file, I still think you're usually better off not using it at all Aug 30 02:12:08 jpinx: yep Aug 30 02:12:30 http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ Aug 30 02:12:49 from the article it looks like the devs emails got lifted.. Aug 30 02:12:49 <-NOKIA Aug 30 02:13:13 * jpinx bows deeply :) Aug 30 02:13:15 the addr's Aug 30 02:14:40 so, is there an n950? Aug 30 02:14:41 hmm .. confirms my old habits of using throw-away email addresses ;) Aug 30 02:14:42 well at least it looks like NOKIA Aug 30 02:14:57 and the page doesn't seem to be any fishing Aug 30 02:15:30 DocScrutinizer: looks straight up - did you chase down the links to see more? Aug 30 02:15:41 throw away email addr for throw away N950 device? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:15:47 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:16:14 2011 Aug 30 02:17:05 i've been offline a while there was a fcc test in may... Aug 30 02:17:17 DocScrutinizer: yes - the one link there is to http://www.horizonmarketing.com/ Aug 30 02:17:50 meh, I'm not interested in peer360's other products **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:18:15 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:20:16 2011 Aug 30 02:21:50 dangergrrl: fcc test? Aug 30 02:23:44 some device that was made public at the end of june but i have been travelling Aug 30 02:25:49 well that's been either N950 or N9. So what's about it? Aug 30 02:27:18 aah, >>[2011-08-30 04:10:35] so, is there an n950?<< missed that. Yes there are N950, one in front of me ;-) Aug 30 02:28:08 alas it will never be available to purchase it Aug 30 02:28:34 oh cool... worth my lust? Aug 30 02:28:49 Nokia gave out 300 to community developers. They are clearly tagged as "developer device" and that's the whole story Aug 30 02:29:36 they will never be for sale? Aug 30 02:29:40 nope Aug 30 02:30:03 dangergrrl: doesn't sound like we're missing much Aug 30 02:30:19 at least that's the rumour and common conclusion Aug 30 02:30:39 i was told in advance to plan disappointment Aug 30 02:32:04 thinking of a homebrew tablet based on pandaboard Aug 30 02:33:26 there are so many 8" tablets now Aug 30 02:34:15 why bother DIY? Aug 30 02:34:46 maybe i won't **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:57 2011