**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 30 02:59:57 2011 Aug 30 07:39:06 moo and o/ Aug 30 07:40:31 µ Aug 30 07:46:11 does anyone here know about audio routing configuration on the n900 if so I'd be grateful if you could help me with this problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1078082 Aug 30 07:59:46 mobile hotspot no longer work after power kernel upgrade Aug 30 07:59:49 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6969&group_id=1113&atid=4168 Aug 30 08:07:29 well, is rambo here? Aug 30 08:17:58 ist there a possibility with activated data on 3G to turn nokia N900 in wifi Accesspoint? Aug 30 08:21:07 depends on which software you use, the wifi hotspot would probably prompt you which connection to use if you have not set one up Aug 30 08:21:32 how can I roll back to kernel power 47 ? Aug 30 08:22:29 maybe something like apt-get install kernel-power=47 Aug 30 08:22:31 err Aug 30 08:22:50 apt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-10power47 ... something like that Aug 30 08:23:06 psycho_oreos, sorry - i do not understand. - why should wifi hotspot to ask for a connection? Aug 30 08:23:42 E: Version '2.6.28-10power47' for 'kernel-power' was not found Aug 30 08:24:38 markinfo, because it needs another connection to (usually) provide internet. Lots of people use their smartphones these days as a `tethered' modem, and so wifi hotspot is like the next step up which doesn't actually require cables between the computer and the smartphone (or device in this case) Aug 30 08:26:13 psycho_oreos, And? That is. I have 3G Data von mobile provider - and a fast notebook (not a slow ARM CPU in n900) Aug 30 08:26:23 If you're looking for a specific use case, such as to just setup an ad-hoc connection whilst not having the said device using any other form of connection to access internet, etc. You need to do it by hand as afaik most wifi hotspot programs are generally used to share internet Aug 30 08:27:22 markinfo, I don't understand what your intention is, wifi hotspot would hardly bog down N900 if you don't have unnecessary crap installed Aug 30 08:27:50 if you still want to complain about N900's slow ARM, there's always the usual USB tethering route Aug 30 08:28:04 apt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power47 Aug 30 08:28:21 and how to install all the deps? Aug 30 08:29:08 probably do it using similar commands as that but in the right order. Aug 30 08:33:48 cityLights: All hands abandon ship! Aug 30 08:55:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Firefox_mobile there is description about Firefox mobile but nowhere how to instal that. Aug 30 08:56:29 simply donwload package fennec.deb from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/trunk_en-US/dists/fremantle/extras/binary-armel/ and then dpkg -i fenec.deb? Aug 30 09:01:24 I think its a little more than just installing the deb file for fennec, and why would want to install that? it takes ~2 minutes to load up on a `slow' N900 (taking things into account such as running anything else in the background that would use a fair amount of processes Aug 30 09:01:34 s/processes/CPU load/ Aug 30 09:01:35 psycho_oreos meant: I think its a little more than just installing the deb file for fennec, and why would want to install that? it takes ~2 minutes to load up on a `slow' N900 (taking things into account such as running anything else in the background that would use a fair a... Aug 30 09:04:56 because I would like to have browser which is at leaset Aug 30 09:05:10 least a bit HTML5 able. Aug 30 09:16:57 Firefox should be installable from http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/ but Iis there a version for Maemo? Aug 30 09:17:46 can it be installed over android market? Aug 30 09:18:15 oh- there is a special page: Firefox.com/m Aug 30 09:40:51 cityLights: to "roll back" you need to do a full install of the new kernel, I.E. install the holy threefold of kernel&modules&flasher Aug 30 09:40:59 otherwise bootloop Aug 30 09:47:14 thank you very much Aug 30 09:47:17 DocScrutinizer: moo Aug 30 09:47:32 I only did the kernel and modules Aug 30 09:47:44 cityLights: what did you need kernel-power for? Aug 30 09:48:31 chem|st: moo Aug 30 09:48:37 ;) Aug 30 09:48:47 chem|st: for mobile hotspot Aug 30 09:49:00 doesn't work with 48 Aug 30 09:49:28 somebody should pester pali to fix that Aug 30 09:49:40 cityLights: otherwise 48 worked fine, besides the hotspot thing? Aug 30 09:49:49 chem|st: mobile hotspot Aug 30 09:50:23 yes I can boot and use the kernel Aug 30 09:50:59 i have downloaded link from http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/m/ ..then starts DownloadManager and it says Download of "fennec" is not possible. Programm package was not found. Aug 30 09:51:20 DocScrutinizer: again thinking about a week/WE in büttelbronn/langenaltheim where are you at again?! Aug 30 09:51:34 cityLights: so useful as a cat pissing in my car! Aug 30 09:51:47 ~weather EDDN Aug 30 09:51:50 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.08.30 0920 UTC; Dew Point: 44 F (7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 55%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 60 F (16 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (250 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable) Aug 30 09:52:06 downtown or suburbs? Aug 30 09:52:18 downtown Aug 30 09:53:28 I'll talk to a friend, his parents are downtown too and have a appleranch near Langenaltheim Aug 30 09:53:42 :-) Aug 30 09:53:55 this download Link shows at http://moff.mozilla.com/latest/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ and there seems to be a data. Aug 30 09:54:24 there is fennec_6.0_armel.deb Aug 30 09:55:06 chem|st: cityLights: how about USB hostmode and mounting of iso9660 et al? Aug 30 09:55:37 ^^ Aug 30 09:55:49 on 48 Aug 30 09:56:00 could be problem that File Packages.gz is empty there? Aug 30 09:56:10 I mean it's unlikely the kernel wouldn't even boot, no Aug 30 09:56:36 I could care less... neither my desktop nor my netbook nor my mobile need "CD" or "DVD" support anymore so not even a dvd device Aug 30 09:57:16 well PK48 actually needs support for all that Aug 30 09:57:29 PK48? Aug 30 09:57:33 and it's been missing in either 46 or 47 Aug 30 09:57:39 kernelpower 48? Aug 30 09:57:56 kernel-power aka powerkernel Aug 30 09:57:58 ok Aug 30 09:58:35 kernel-power like grape-sweet or car-green Aug 30 09:59:08 or kernel-stock Aug 30 09:59:10 my device is used productive so no use of keyboard or mice attached or other useless stuff in day2day use Aug 30 09:59:30 so what is this telling me? Aug 30 09:59:45 oxymorons are always wellcome! Aug 30 10:00:01 can I deduce from that if PK48 has more flaws than just netfilters not supported? Aug 30 10:01:19 kernel-power will power down? sure as hell it will not "em"power! Aug 30 10:03:06 ~poweruser Aug 30 10:03:16 thought as much Aug 30 10:03:23 ~dict poweruser Aug 30 10:03:25 could not find definition for poweruser Aug 30 10:03:32 ~wiki poweruser Aug 30 10:03:37 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poweruser (URL), Wikipedia explains: "A 'power user' is a user of a personal computer who has the ability to use advanced features of programs which are beyond the abilities of "normal" users, but is not necessarily capable of programming and system administration. In enterprise software systems such as Oracle or SAP, this title may go to an individual who is not a programmer, but who is a specialist in a transaction or ... Aug 30 10:04:07 11:55 < chem|st> my device is used productive so no use of keyboard or mice attached or other useless stuff in day2day use Aug 30 10:04:42 lol, h-e-n is not useless at all.. Aug 30 10:05:47 my n900 is being used productively (no games besides stock ;) Aug 30 10:45:28 Sicelo: if I need something alike I have other hardware around... Aug 30 10:46:39 Sicelo: or how would you transfer stuff from SD card to N900 w/o bulky cardreader with you? Aug 30 10:47:30 bluky==bigger than my little finger... Aug 30 11:20:17 someone knows, how autojoin in irggu works? autoconnect is configurable but no autojoin of rooms. the "commands after connect" windows with /join #maemo input seems not to work Aug 30 11:55:21 chem|st: I always have a uSD cardreader with me that's about the size of my little finger. Anyway my question that seems to have started all that was about whether kernel-powe-v48 has maybe flaws/regressions regarding h-e-n/hostmode as well. I wasn't interested in discussing whether h-e-n is useful (for a particular user / usage pattern) Aug 30 11:56:29 (and of course I wouldn't exactly need that tiny uSD cardreader to copy sth between N900 and a uSD card :-D ) Aug 30 12:00:48 haha Aug 30 12:00:50 DocScrutinizer: talking std-sized SDcards... interesting would it be; to have a full blown dm-crypt and attach my 2048b crypted 1TB uUSB HDD to it and have a wifi NAS with it... but I can only dream of it... Aug 30 12:00:55 Linux has exceeded its bandwidth: http://www.linux.org/ Aug 30 12:01:35 lol Aug 30 12:02:15 o.O Aug 30 12:02:30 who's admin-c? Aug 30 13:23:24 If I want to reinstall my phone in an optimal way today, what would that be? (Among other things, I'd like /home to be a lot bigger, which I read somewhere once involves editing the image file) Aug 30 13:48:09 ErwinJunge: reflash to vanilla at first I guess Aug 30 13:50:43 ext size can be changed (only increased) while mounted, copy all things in myDocs somewhere safe, umount mydocs, delete partition of mydocs, increase size'o'home OTF, create mydocs partition, format mydocs vfat, reboot Aug 30 13:51:26 if you endup in a rebootloop it is not my fault, everything under "you know what you are doing" Aug 30 14:06:29 chem|st , Sicelo , I a, back , got called away by work Aug 30 14:06:40 I am sorry for the late response Aug 30 14:07:12 I still need to test, but as you all remember this new kernel , previusly "killed" my N900 Aug 30 14:07:43 I am also highly dependedt on the N900, which makes me think of buying another one for backup Aug 30 14:09:15 it's pretty hard to kill an n900 Aug 30 14:10:20 yet if you upgrade from power kernel 47 -> 48 , I got a loop boot Aug 30 14:10:53 now when upgrading , you dont get a warning screen , telling you , you may get this Aug 30 14:11:44 now on that day my SO mom checked in to the hospital, and I "lost" my cellular Aug 30 14:11:51 which drove me nuts Aug 30 14:12:00 this *may* happen Aug 30 14:14:51 sure :) Aug 30 14:30:27 cityLights: yeah thinking of buying another n900 "new" as long as they are available.. Aug 30 14:31:29 wish they where offered at 99$ at best buy..... Aug 30 14:33:41 ;) Aug 30 14:35:40 how to use dsmetool to kill a process? Aug 30 15:40:05 really funny how there is no way in microb to manage ssl certificates Aug 30 15:57:36 NIN101: indeed, have noticed that as well Aug 30 16:31:33 chem|st: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Aug 30 17:21:43 hey all Aug 30 17:35:37 Scientists Sequence Black Death Bacteria! Joy! JOY! Aug 30 18:56:11 btw, everyone should be thankful that: Aug 30 18:56:23 1. HAM doesn't require a password each time you try to update an app Aug 30 18:56:34 2. HAM has the option to update all of your apps Aug 30 18:57:07 3. you don't have the chance of having your device wipe itself if you get your password wrong 10 times in a row Aug 30 18:57:15 * timeless is currently updating 7 apps, one at a time, entering a device password each time Aug 30 19:01:43 timeless: how is your new job ? Aug 30 19:02:07 i like it Aug 30 19:02:24 the people are great, and we have a unified way to submit bug reports to anywhere in the company Aug 30 19:02:34 (ask nokians about how to do that) Aug 30 19:03:00 for reference, sp3000 informed me last week that one of my bugs filed in feb (?) was just touched for the first time Aug 30 19:03:23 oh, and the expense reporting system is actually pretty good Aug 30 19:03:36 * timeless got reimbursed for the major charge to a corporate card for a trip to paris Aug 30 19:03:46 * timeless needs to file another claim for the next trip and book flights Aug 30 19:04:08 oh, and while there are some edges of BB that i don't like (app world update v. ham) Aug 30 19:04:16 bb is *so* much better at offline use Aug 30 19:04:52 e.g. i took my Torch to Paris but my global roaming sim was in my wallet (which decided to stay on the bus to the Toronto Airport ) Aug 30 19:05:22 i had no trouble using BB Maps, BBM, and other things Aug 30 19:05:34 they all slurped sufficient content while i had wifi and worked well when i didn't have access Aug 30 19:06:11 oh, and App World can queue multiple installs concurrently (unlike HAM from Maemo 5-) Aug 30 19:06:32 (Nokia MeeGo of the N9 is an unreleased story and thus not worth considering) Aug 30 19:06:53 oh, and my PlayBook is quite nice Aug 30 19:07:00 timeless: wontfix! :D Aug 30 19:07:05 sp3000: seriously? Aug 30 19:07:15 of course, the micro hdmi out isn't useful to me as i don't have any HDMI input ports anywhere Aug 30 19:07:29 * timeless is being given an old fashioned CRT TV by a coworker Aug 30 19:08:37 yeah, I'm contemplating nagging ...but I don't think I ever touch that bug tracker for anything so there's a degree of meh to it Aug 30 19:10:10 heh Aug 30 19:10:13 * timeless sighs Aug 30 19:10:15 * timeless shakes head Aug 30 19:10:34 oh, and our internal it is generally good about implementing feedback Aug 30 19:10:36 whereas... see above? Aug 30 19:12:03 grr Aug 30 19:12:14 * timeless needs to call the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library again Aug 30 19:12:19 those idiots have me on a mailing list Aug 30 19:12:24 and there's a new one Aug 30 19:13:02 some designated mother for some school class around San Diego CCd me as the teacher's email on an email to parents trying to organize things Aug 30 19:13:09 so far i've already received one reply to all Aug 30 19:13:11 * timeless grumbles Aug 30 19:13:58 * timeless sighs Aug 30 19:14:03 * timeless needs to schedule to call into mozilla's webapi meeting Aug 30 19:18:29 timeless: call elop too Aug 30 19:18:45 why? Aug 30 19:18:52 * timeless doesn't care about nokia anymore Aug 30 19:18:55 :( Aug 30 19:19:02 well, i suppose i could spend some time shorting its stock Aug 30 19:19:08 but it seems too easy Aug 30 19:19:10 will i really have to buy an android phone? :( Aug 30 19:19:22 and i don't want the tax (filing) burden! Aug 30 19:19:40 no, you can buy a BlackBerry ;-) Aug 30 19:20:07 anyone got an Ubertooth working with their N900? Aug 30 19:20:13 D: Aug 30 19:22:03 grr Aug 30 19:22:09 * timeless needs to find someone familiar w/ davmail Aug 30 19:25:44 timeless: working for RIM now? Aug 30 19:28:27 yes Aug 30 19:28:30 [disclaimer] Aug 30 19:28:49 since the beginning of june Aug 30 19:29:06 but i really do love my BlackBerry Aug 30 19:29:19 the e61i really isn't a competitor at all Aug 30 19:29:24 * timeless used to call it a `blueberry` Aug 30 19:29:33 * timeless thought other people had too Aug 30 19:31:09 yr Aug 30 19:31:15 test Aug 30 19:38:02 timeless: do blackberry phones have sip? Aug 30 19:39:54 mine does Aug 30 19:40:09 http://us.blackberry.com/apps-software/business/blackberry_mvs/ Aug 30 19:40:14 and yes, i use it Aug 30 19:40:30 the integration made me realize that the n900 didn't have a monopoly on that kind of integration Aug 30 19:40:52 (and the way facebook/gtalk/gvoice/... integrate into the unified mailbox is also better than the n900) Aug 30 19:41:12 i haven't tried calling a user@host address w/ it Aug 30 19:41:17 so i'm not sure if that side works Aug 30 19:41:34 mvs is spiffy Aug 30 19:41:41 i can easily transfer a call to/from my desk phone Aug 30 19:41:52 now nokia might say "who cares, our employees don't have desk phones" Aug 30 19:41:59 but... i'm in NAm now, and we do Aug 30 19:42:01 and they're useful Aug 30 19:42:18 trying completing a long call when you need to reboot your mobile phone Aug 30 19:43:50 timeless: that is nice. can i stick in my custom asterisk sip details in mvs? Aug 30 19:44:12 http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/BlackBerry-Enterprise-Solution/MVS-SIP-Integration/td-p/678979 Aug 30 19:44:16 seems potentially relevant Aug 30 19:45:28 myKryptofon seems interesting Aug 30 19:46:50 timeless: it is a shame N900 doesnt support SRTP or ZRTP. Aug 30 19:48:32 sorry, i can't find anything useful about asterisk Aug 30 19:48:38 * timeless is using public searches Aug 30 22:52:35 hi Aug 30 23:40:36 http://stabyourself.net/ Aug 30 23:59:53 GeneralAntilles: Nintendo DCMA letter in 4... 3... Aug 31 00:09:51 "and will be released for free (so we don’t get stabbed by lawyers)" Aug 31 00:09:52 lol Aug 31 00:16:29 I don't see what's up with the Mario artwork. Not using it and never calling the game Mario anything is probably enough to keep the Nintendo lawyers away. Aug 31 00:16:41 They could probably even get away with reusing the level designs Aug 31 00:16:57 however by now it's probably already too late. Aug 31 00:17:12 * javispedro saw a similar thing happen to a popular game in the PalmOS days.. Aug 31 00:17:44 javispedro: they call it "Mari0" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:57 2011