**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:57 2011 Aug 31 05:47:57 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/31/last_run_of_touchpads/ <-- lol Aug 31 05:51:01 but wait, will they actually make more and sell them at a loss or will they make more and try to sell them expensively (and fail again) ? either way it seems like an idiotic idea. Aug 31 05:51:23 I'm guessing it cost more than $99 to make them... Aug 31 05:51:35 apparently bill of parts is 300usd or somewhere there Aug 31 05:51:42 yeah Aug 31 05:51:56 but obviously nobody will buy them for $300 Aug 31 05:52:09 well if they sell them at 100usd it's less of loss than if they just junk them Aug 31 05:52:19 and they probably have a warehouse full of the parts Aug 31 05:52:24 which might be the reason for this Aug 31 05:52:27 ah yes that might be trye Aug 31 05:52:37 well I hope that happens, so I can get my filthy mittens on one. Aug 31 05:52:43 I'd like one as well Aug 31 05:52:57 they are taking preorders from what I understood Aug 31 05:53:04 I actually have monies waiting in the us already O.o Aug 31 05:53:14 hehe Aug 31 05:54:30 though I need to save up for a thinkpad tablet Aug 31 05:55:48 ruskie I sent money to a friend because i got fooled by barnes and noble that they had stock Aug 31 05:56:56 ahh Aug 31 05:57:16 hmmm I think shipping would cost probably more than the tablet itself if I did that Aug 31 06:03:07 shipping to finland is $40 Aug 31 06:06:04 hmm or they aren't showing preorders hmm Aug 31 08:10:21 for the touchpad? Aug 31 08:10:25 ruskie? Aug 31 08:10:44 ? Aug 31 08:10:49 ruskie> hmm or they aren't showing preorders hmm Aug 31 08:11:39 yeah Aug 31 08:11:41 for the touchpad Aug 31 08:11:48 I thought they had preorderes open Aug 31 08:11:49 "As a registered developer, you can purchase an unlocked phone. [for $479.00]" -- Google Aug 31 08:11:49 but I Guess not Aug 31 08:12:05 Nha Aug 31 08:12:12 I still have an outstanding order with a couple of shops Aug 31 08:12:17 to ensure that I'll get two Aug 31 08:12:28 "Which will never pay for itself, given Android Market typical prices and sales numbers" -- me Aug 31 08:12:35 I paid roughly 1200 instead of 300 Aug 31 08:12:51 So I'm waiting to get the tablets, then will cancel the orders, and go for refund Aug 31 08:42:20 How can I fully download all email from an IMAP server and then read it while being offline? Aug 31 08:44:18 fasta, hmm imapsync/offlineimap/fetchmail ? Aug 31 08:44:43 if u want to do it using modest, check Wiki Aug 31 08:46:40 Sicelo: is modest the name of the default email application? Aug 31 08:47:13 yup Aug 31 08:47:15 http://wiki.maemo.org/Improving_Modest_email_sync_reliability Aug 31 08:50:04 Sicelo: does upstart run on the n900? Aug 31 08:50:12 I thought it was a pretty new system. Aug 31 08:50:32 By 'run', I mean 'out of the box'. Aug 31 08:52:03 i'm a noob.. so not really understanding what upstart does. i think upstart is there.. at least mine says so.. or is it because i have PK47? i don't know Aug 31 08:53:18 Sicelo: what is PK47? Aug 31 08:53:26 Sicelo: I did flash my firmware. Aug 31 08:53:38 upstart is an init replacement Aug 31 08:53:38 Sicelo: to the latest available image. Aug 31 08:53:48 not something you would change with the power kernel Aug 31 08:53:57 fasta: no offence, but you should search. just now i saw that even basic/N900 does use/have upstart Aug 31 08:54:16 and iirc the init system used on the N900 is upstart Aug 31 08:55:07 indeed Aug 31 08:55:45 fasta: PK is an enhanced kernel for the N900 Aug 31 09:21:16 fasta: hope i wasn't too rash. sorry Aug 31 09:22:50 Sicelo: I can be much worse myself ;) Aug 31 09:23:41 Sicelo: still, usually all questions could be answered if every user would read and study all pages on the wiki. Aug 31 09:23:55 Sicelo: but then the whole IRC channel would be useless. Aug 31 09:24:13 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/31/samsung_launches_series_7_chronos_core_i7_laptop/ Aug 31 09:24:25 Sicelo: I think there is some kind of middle ground where an advanced user reads information in a completely different way. Aug 31 09:25:09 :) i'm just a big noob myself... my N900 is 2 months old, lol Aug 31 09:33:49 fasta: that's why ppl like DocScrutinizer ruskie and me are here... to keep you away from noobs and guide you to the right answeres... what was the question again? Aug 31 09:34:38 0.0 Aug 31 09:35:12 woman pays $180 for a fake wooden iPad: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20099564-71/woman-pays-$180-for-wooden-ipad-its-fake/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 Aug 31 09:35:28 crashanddie: :) Aug 31 09:35:29 i think that's mean chem|st Aug 31 09:35:50 crashanddie: Was it made of apple wood? Aug 31 09:36:14 silly SpeedEvil, you can't make wood from apples. Aug 31 09:36:27 10:38 < fasta> How can I fully download all email from an IMAP server and then read it while being offline? Aug 31 09:36:38 10:45 < fasta> Sicelo: does upstart run on the n900? Aug 31 09:36:38 10:45 < fasta> I thought it was a pretty new system. Aug 31 09:36:38 10:46 < fasta> By 'run', I mean 'out of the box'. Aug 31 09:36:49 Sicelo, please don't flood the channel Aug 31 09:36:51 those are his questions Aug 31 09:37:13 * SpeedEvil watches granny smith hit crashanddie a sturdy blow. Aug 31 09:38:08 visz: anyway it seems to me initctl *is* upstart, I might be wrong Aug 31 09:39:13 personally i appreciate all the work everyone here is doing, for free at that. i'm just surprised by that :/ Aug 31 09:39:16 anwya Aug 31 09:39:43 Hello - I am working on a Maemo project to help out the community (esp people who are not experenced) Aug 31 09:39:59 s/visz/Sicelo/ Aug 31 09:39:59 DocScrutinizer meant: Sicelo: anyway it seems to me initctl *is* upstart, I might be wrong Aug 31 09:40:12 And I am having a little (well a lot) of trouble with uboot and MeeGo Aug 31 09:40:56 Anyone in here that could help me out with those two things? Aug 31 09:41:49 What are you trying to do. Aug 31 09:42:06 Why. And are you, or have you ever been a member of the communist party. Aug 31 09:42:06 Well... the MeeGo image Aug 31 09:42:14 Sicelo: see initctl --help :: >>Report bugs to << Aug 31 09:42:30 No, haha, I am not a commy Aug 31 09:42:30 thanks DocScrutinizer Aug 31 09:43:17 The MeeGo image places EXT4 on mmcblk1p1, and FAT16 (kernels) on mmcblk1p3 Aug 31 09:43:26 hence the SD card cannot be used as storage anymore Aug 31 09:44:05 actually fremantle (as well as HARM?) has a chimera system, a blend of upstart and initV Aug 31 09:44:32 upstart is the core system, but it is using a lot of sysV initscripts Aug 31 09:44:36 What I have done is put MeeGo on p2, kenels on p3, and 2GB on p4 for NITDroid Aug 31 09:44:53 see /etc/events.d/ vs /etc/init.d/ Aug 31 09:45:15 that way P1 (if you have a 16GB SD card) will be 9GB of FAT32 readable by a Windows PC or N900 Aug 31 09:45:48 Sicelo: it is not completely for free. The model is basically that certain users can get 'reputation' and 'recognition by their peers'. Aug 31 09:46:13 xxxxts: that's outright wrong, you can still use most parts of the uSD as storage Aug 31 09:46:15 now I am trying to make a custom image of MeeGo/NITDroid so it is easier to flash onto a SD card Aug 31 09:46:33 Sicelo: if humans were rational machines, even then there would be some interest in answering simple questions, because it creates a baseline for communication with other peers. Aug 31 09:46:34 Please inform me how Doc. Aug 31 09:46:35 u are right fasta. i respect them all, big time. Aug 31 09:47:02 in any case, not right now... i'm too happy for this. pleas Aug 31 09:47:18 Sicelo: was not ment to offend you! not in your case but others it is like "pls shut the fsck up and let s/o explain it who actually knows what he is talking about" Aug 31 09:47:37 Yeah, I thought it was more 'tongue in cheek'. Aug 31 09:47:38 xxxxts: you already know the answer why and how, it seems Aug 31 09:48:11 otherdays I just _facepalm_ Aug 31 09:48:27 by formatting p4 in fat 32 and mounting it to mmc1? Aug 31 09:49:20 and also how do you expect to load NITDroid on there? Aug 31 09:49:24 xxxxts: along that line, yes Aug 31 09:49:36 In theory it should work, however it does not Aug 31 09:49:44 you can follow my work on this; Aug 31 09:49:53 xxxxts: note though that nitdroid comes with multiboot, and multiboot will mess up uBoot Aug 31 09:50:03 ~maemo-multiboot Aug 31 09:50:04 [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Aug 31 09:50:11 lol, no Aug 31 09:50:21 they can coexist in harmoney Aug 31 09:52:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76133 Aug 31 09:52:29 xxxxts: if they can (and I know *in theory* they could) then you're free to explain to us how to configure all this shit. You'd not have to ask here about it Aug 31 09:52:42 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76153 Aug 31 09:53:01 U-Boot and MultiBoot, I would be glad to Aug 31 09:53:16 Say you're running Kernel Power 48 Aug 31 09:53:19 xxxxts: sorry, you don't expect me to read up two threads on TMO to understand what you are asking, no? Aug 31 09:53:31 no need to be rude Aug 31 09:53:39 I'm rude? Aug 31 09:53:50 and you want to run U-Boot, or even BackupMenu Aug 31 09:54:03 which is completely unrelated Aug 31 09:54:11 well those packages are only compatible with kernel 46 Aug 31 09:54:20 UH?? Aug 31 09:54:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050864 Aug 31 09:54:56 how is backup menu only compatible to a certain kernel?? it's a userland thing completely Aug 31 09:54:57 there's a thread Aug 31 09:55:19 on how to add U-Boot to exist with MultiBoot Aug 31 09:55:21 I'm not going to read threads on tmo to understand what's your misconception Aug 31 09:55:37 I am running it now Aug 31 09:56:02 you're going to ask a question now? Aug 31 09:56:11 I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about Aug 31 09:56:23 *plonk* Aug 31 09:57:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050864 - just look at $8 Aug 31 09:57:14 it works perfectly Aug 31 09:57:24 I AM NOT INTERESTED!! Aug 31 09:57:37 ~maemo-multiboot Aug 31 09:57:37 You made a claim, you are incorrect, and now you're rude Aug 31 09:57:38 somebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Aug 31 09:58:40 please note this is #maemo, not #nitdroid Aug 31 09:58:40 Goodbye. Aug 31 09:58:46 yeah Aug 31 09:58:46 * DocScrutinizer waves Aug 31 09:58:51 I am working on Maemo Aug 31 09:59:03 and installing MeeGo and NitDroid on it Aug 31 09:59:16 BS you can't install meego on maemo Aug 31 09:59:18 on 1 sd card with FAT32 p1 Aug 31 09:59:33 on the N900 I mean Aug 31 09:59:37 and in theory yes you can Aug 31 09:59:46 please STFU Aug 31 09:59:58 or ask your question Aug 31 10:00:09 Okay here is my question Aug 31 10:01:03 Since I made a custom partition table for MeeGo and I am using u-boot to boot it (I left p3 FAT with kernels), but I changed MeeGo to p2 Aug 31 10:01:54 How can I reconfigure u-boot to boot from p3 and the OS is on p2 (not p1) Aug 31 10:01:55 ? Aug 31 10:02:00 Hello dudes Aug 31 10:02:04 aha, ok. Aug 31 10:02:23 How can I tell xterm to have more scrollbackbuffer Aug 31 10:02:31 I think there's a file that has the uBoot menu, somwhere IIRC on first fat partition of MMC Aug 31 10:02:46 where's the real $HOME/.screenrc really taken into account? Aug 31 10:02:49 boot.scr Aug 31 10:03:15 kevin_b: edit ~/xchat2/xchat.conf Aug 31 10:03:55 xchat? mmm don't feel related to xterm? Aug 31 10:04:00 xxxxts: exactly, and afaik you should be able to edit this file to define the boot process Aug 31 10:04:05 however no matter how I configure boot.scr I can't get it to boot? Aug 31 10:04:10 kevin_b: oops, sorry Aug 31 10:04:21 the file by default is not there, it has to be created Aug 31 10:04:28 And it simply won't boot correctly Aug 31 10:04:32 or at all. Aug 31 10:04:41 I recieve a kernel panic. Aug 31 10:04:52 np :p ! So no one can tell me where is the path for potential usefull .screenrc Aug 31 10:05:11 I put it in /home/user/.screenrc , FAILED ! Aug 31 10:05:28 kevin_b: wait a minute, I have a link to an ancient thread about xterm Aug 31 10:06:37 kevin_b: http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ might help, or at least have some bits of info where to look Aug 31 10:07:16 So do you have any advice? Aug 31 10:08:13 hi Aug 31 10:08:40 I do not want to sell my n900 sentimental reasons, therefore, can I install on it some other interesting operating system to use it for something, eg, instead of the tablet? Aug 31 10:08:47 other os ? Aug 31 10:10:04 Yeepee, xterm is configurable by Gconf Aug 31 10:10:15 gconftool -s /apps/osso/xterm/scrollback -t int 900 ("setting scrollback buffer") Aug 31 10:10:23 knew you'd like it :-) Aug 31 10:10:45 thanks Aug 31 10:11:30 yw Aug 31 10:13:43 btw anyone there heard of a qt-assistant deb package? Aug 31 10:13:50 xxxxts: you'll find the developer/maintainer of (meego)uBoot at #meego-arm nick: ali1234. He should be able to help you on the issue to get uBoot support a meego with non-standard partitioning Aug 31 10:14:47 Wow, I am really impressed. Aug 31 10:14:50 Thank you! Aug 31 10:15:09 Try to give people more slack :) Aug 31 10:15:15 Have a nice day! Aug 31 10:23:26 I 'd like to make a light qt-assistant for maemo5 Aug 31 10:23:40 ohai xxxxts Aug 31 10:23:52 Hey! Aug 31 10:24:13 i'm about to mount the meego image, check the boot.scr file and make a new one Aug 31 10:24:18 Man, this boot.scr issue is killing me. Aug 31 10:24:20 and I wonder, which branch should I work on? 4.7-fremantlepr1.3 or 4.7-fremantle? Aug 31 10:24:24 on http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo Aug 31 10:25:14 Keep me updated on that boot.scr, NOTHING is working for me. Aug 31 10:25:47 did you use mkimage? Aug 31 10:26:36 No, I know very little about uboot Aug 31 10:26:56 So I was trying command lines in uboot Aug 31 10:27:01 and boot.scr Aug 31 10:27:33 can you ls the fat partition for me? Aug 31 10:27:42 I didn't want to have to reflash my phone (I got the N900 the day it came out, never reflashed once). Aug 31 10:27:48 yeah give me a sec Aug 31 10:29:15 System.map-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 config-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 uImage vmlinuz-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 Aug 31 10:30:20 odd Aug 31 10:30:27 there's no boot.scr to be found Aug 31 10:31:39 I know Aug 31 10:31:41 But... Aug 31 10:31:53 I did talk to the dev/maintainer of uboot Aug 31 10:32:03 (ali1234) in meego IRC Aug 31 10:32:20 she had some different suggestions - I will PM them to you over Maemo... Aug 31 10:33:14 ah Aug 31 10:33:52 what OS can I install on my n900 Aug 31 10:33:54 ? Aug 31 10:34:06 it has maemo, whats wrong with it? Aug 31 10:35:26 Hurrian - sent Aug 31 10:36:23 nothing, but i dont want to sell my n900 and I want to try other OS Aug 31 10:36:25 Hardknox - you can install A LOT of OSes Aug 31 10:36:34 to use my phone for something useless Aug 31 10:36:35 and you can emulate a lot of OSes Aug 31 10:36:43 hardknox, debian? Aug 31 10:36:46 NITDroid (Android) Aug 31 10:36:50 MeeGo Aug 31 10:37:03 Ubuntu Aug 31 10:37:03 debian ? :o without emu ? clean debian ? really ? Aug 31 10:37:10 Kubuntu Aug 31 10:37:23 chrooted in maemo or clean ? Aug 31 10:37:26 http://elektranox.org/n900/index.html Aug 31 10:37:30 same with ubuntu etc Aug 31 10:37:46 However keep in mind - battery power WILL SUFFER Aug 31 10:37:55 and a lot of the dirvers don Aug 31 10:37:56 't wok Aug 31 10:37:58 100% Aug 31 10:38:07 xxxxts, oh crap Aug 31 10:38:23 apparently kernel path is hardcoded Aug 31 10:38:35 do you know how to recomplie it? Aug 31 10:38:44 Hurrian: thnx, ill try Aug 31 10:39:19 xxxxts, yeah Aug 31 10:39:40 ali1234 is really healful - I just don't have a Linux box that I can use... Aug 31 10:40:18 bye Aug 31 10:40:22 Hopefully ali will come out with a newer version that has that bug fixed, at least she told us how to do it. Aug 31 10:43:26 Hurrian, you there? Aug 31 10:44:53 yeah Aug 31 10:45:00 okay, got this down. Aug 31 10:45:04 I came across a thread Aug 31 10:45:12 of someone installing it on the eMMC Aug 31 10:45:24 and found an example of a few boot.scr's Aug 31 10:45:34 uboot reads the boot.scrs Aug 31 10:45:44 I tried it Aug 31 10:45:51 but I am not too great with uboot Aug 31 10:46:09 so there's a good chance I messed up - hold on a sec, let me find the threads... Aug 31 10:46:39 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=72837 - check that out Aug 31 10:47:11 setenv bootcmd 'mmc init; fatload mmc1 0:1 0x82000000 /uImage; fatload mmc1 0:1 0x83000000 /uInitrd; bootm 0x82000000 0x83000000' Aug 31 10:47:11 setenv bootargs 'root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash' Aug 31 10:47:11 boot Aug 31 10:47:54 you think it will work? Aug 31 10:48:09 lemme put together the boot.scr Aug 31 10:48:28 I will do the same... Aug 31 10:49:19 wait! Aug 31 10:49:37 mmc1 needs to be replaced with mmc0 Aug 31 10:49:40 etc Aug 31 10:50:08 also in config-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 (in p3) look under #boot Aug 31 10:52:23 are you sure Aug 31 10:52:35 i know it is reversed in u boot Aug 31 10:52:40 but for that command right there? Aug 31 10:53:24 we will try both Aug 31 10:55:25 yeah Aug 31 10:56:18 okay boot.scr is placed i am going to reboot... Aug 31 10:56:31 mmc0's Aug 31 10:56:49 http://pastebin.com/FQzz50TV Aug 31 10:57:00 since there is no initrd, this should be fine Aug 31 10:57:49 hey guys, I keep having problem to write to the ext2 MyDocs partition Aug 31 10:58:01 kevin_b, MyDocs is vfat Aug 31 10:58:08 ho yes, sorry Aug 31 10:58:22 it always end messed up needa ran fsck Aug 31 10:58:24 no go for me with 0's Aug 31 10:58:28 trying with 1's Aug 31 10:58:32 xxxxts, check mine Aug 31 10:58:37 it's corrected Aug 31 10:58:50 were you able to boot? Aug 31 10:59:01 is that possible to use another filesystem for MyDocs? Aug 31 10:59:03 i don't have meego on my sd atm Aug 31 10:59:09 kevin_b, yes it is possible Aug 31 10:59:26 and if you need some crap from mydocs, use backupmenu to export it to PC Aug 31 10:59:48 cool, is just format it? and maybe have a look at fstab? Aug 31 11:00:08 kevin_b, comment it out in genfstab.awk and add a line to rcS-late Aug 31 11:01:33 docscrutinizer, still here? Aug 31 11:01:40 nice thanks Aug 31 11:02:03 i was thinking, we haxx nolo to pass mmc instead of mtd in the atags Aug 31 11:04:00 xxxxts, if all else fails, remove the slashes Aug 31 11:04:49 gotcha, i am going to try the second attempt now Aug 31 11:06:18 what slashes, all of em? Aug 31 11:06:50 no go without slashes Aug 31 11:07:02 i mean with slashes Aug 31 11:09:49 Hurrian, what slashes? take out all of the / or just the one? Aug 31 11:10:31 or two infront of uimage and uInitrd? Aug 31 11:10:44 Hurrian: I'm always here Aug 31 11:11:22 xxxxts: the /s Aug 31 11:11:32 in front of uImage and uInitrd Aug 31 11:11:43 in fact, there is no uInitrd, so dont bother with that Aug 31 11:12:16 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/31/mobee_unveils_magic_trackpad_customisation_kit/ <-- hmm Aug 31 11:13:46 delete unitrd? Aug 31 11:15:41 okay Aug 31 11:15:44 giving it another shot Aug 31 11:16:57 nope Aug 31 11:16:58 no good Aug 31 11:19:22 Hurrian, what do you think? Aug 31 11:24:33 odd Aug 31 11:27:13 yeah, exactly what I thought as well, though for sure in a different meaning and context Aug 31 11:29:49 but you both guys are the only two on this channel that know what you are talking about ([2011-08-31 11:51:57] I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about) so I wonder if that convo wasn't better suited for a private query Aug 31 11:41:25 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/31/toshiba_launches_at100_android_tablet_at_ifa/ <-- this would work as an alternative to the thinkpad tablet Aug 31 11:51:01 hi, can I delete the OVI maps? Aug 31 11:51:13 because its offset made it not usable Aug 31 11:51:51 dungeon_archl: nope! Aug 31 11:52:19 kerio: ok, any problem if I do it? Aug 31 11:52:38 idk, try Aug 31 11:53:20 kerio: ok once Im ready to reflash and repartation, I will try it first Aug 31 12:09:32 dungeon_archl: sorry, I missed your rationale. What offset, and delete what exactly? Aug 31 12:10:25 DocScrutinizer: hi, I was asking if I can purge the OVI maps because it do not work properly here. Aug 31 12:10:37 purge the app? Aug 31 12:10:52 or purge that map data? Aug 31 12:11:03 DocScrutinizer purge the app Aug 31 12:11:26 hmm, possibly not, as it might be part of the maemo metapackage Aug 31 12:12:04 ok, I just feel its useless due to the position offset issue Aug 31 12:12:04 I.E. there *might* be other packages that just expect it to be there Aug 31 12:12:14 what position offset? Aug 31 12:12:56 DocScrutinizer it shows the current postion south to the real site Aug 31 12:13:01 I'm also not sure it's useful, esp compared to e.g. mappero, marble, etc Aug 31 12:13:12 o-O Aug 31 12:13:31 DocScrutinizer from its postion, I should be swiming in the sea Aug 31 12:14:48 hmm there was a bug in dunno PR1.0/1.1 with liblocation, that should have been fixed since long, and IIRC it was south/west mirroring around the Greenwich meridian Aug 31 12:17:22 dungeon_archl: if on network positioning with 3G I get some wierd locations sometimes Aug 31 12:17:30 indoor initial first fix position been a few 200m to the south indeed, another 30s next to the windows the position shown is ~50m correct Aug 31 12:18:09 I get a pos close to the next GSM tower Aug 31 12:18:09 DocScrutinizer: the offset is about 4 km i suppose Aug 31 12:18:18 which is south^^ Aug 31 12:18:30 offset 1.5km Aug 31 12:18:43 Marble is useless Aug 31 12:18:53 but pretty^^ Aug 31 12:19:06 RST38h: why marble useless? its a toy for kids. Aug 31 12:19:22 Eats too much into the swap partition on the N900. Aug 31 12:19:28 Totally inoperable. Aug 31 12:20:01 DocScrutinizer: You are joerg_rw right? Aug 31 12:20:11 use a /whois Aug 31 12:20:46 * ErwinJunge is slowly learning about irc, thanks Aug 31 12:21:09 dungeon_archl: indeed OVI maps seems to have a preference for heading south as soon as your GPS data gets invalid or never became valid Aug 31 12:21:42 not too bad, OVI map with WIFI Network correction give a 1.5KM offset to east, much better than pure stallite Aug 31 12:21:49 ErwinJunge: /ms nickserv indo also helps a lot Aug 31 12:22:05 DocScrutinizer, isn't that /msg ? Aug 31 12:22:28 dungeon_archl: N900 GPS is notorious for poor performance when used without a SIM card Aug 31 12:22:33 Gentlemen, what kilometers are you all talking about? Ovi Maps has always been fairly accurate for me. Even with no cell service. Aug 31 12:22:36 indeed Aug 31 12:22:41 /msg Aug 31 12:23:29 Just used it in Greece. Had SIM card in but no roaming. Wasn't any WiFi either. Worked like a charm, after a bit of initialization time (~5mins) Aug 31 12:23:35 DocScrutinizer: but I have a sim... Aug 31 12:24:17 DocScrutinizer: Could I pick your brain a bit regarding an "optimal" reinstall of my N900? What to do pre/post flash? What packages to avoid? Stuff like that. I'm definitely interested in having a bigger /home Aug 31 12:24:20 dungeon_archl: weird. Usually your GPS should give better precision of location then Aug 31 12:24:45 DocScrutinizer: may I ask, do the data used by OVI maps count as Internet Usage? my pre-paid do not have Internet Aug 31 12:25:00 ErwinJunge: sure, we'll all be happy to help. Just ask Aug 31 12:25:22 dungeon_archl: yes, for sure they count as data Aug 31 12:25:52 Well, how up to date is this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools ? Aug 31 12:26:01 except for the GPS assistance data that most providers deliver to every phone, not only to those with GPRS data plan Aug 31 12:26:17 Which is the best thing I found regarding my wish for a larger /home Aug 31 12:26:23 ErwinJunge: it's mostly still valid Aug 31 12:26:35 esp the edit for larger /home still applies Aug 31 12:27:13 Ok, thanks on that. Any other possible tweaks that I might want to know about to apply to the image before flashing? Aug 31 12:27:15 DocScrutinizer: I can use other map application which indicate correct position fairly easy... OVI maps is werid... Aug 31 12:27:44 ErwinJunge: do a proper backup prior to flashing ;-) That'S about all Aug 31 12:27:53 I do understand that if you want to install various games and stuff you need to cut mydocs in pieces, but for what again do I need a larger home? Aug 31 12:28:29 well, some apps really hog /opt, for example Aug 31 12:28:37 DocScrutinizer: Would an rsync of / be good enough? Or do I need to use some sort of backup tool? Aug 31 12:28:41 and /opt lives on /home Aug 31 12:28:59 good enough for sure, maybe even overkill Aug 31 12:29:09 if you feel ok with it, go for rsync Aug 31 12:29:17 ErwinJunge: proper backup is given with "backup" from your menu, and everything you edited by hand in / Aug 31 12:29:20 chem|st: In my case, I keep running out of space for apps Aug 31 12:29:57 ErwinJunge: never happened to me, and if it would force me to uninstall all the BS I had a try-out on Aug 31 12:30:15 hehe Aug 31 12:30:31 maybe that's the purpose of the reflash he's planning to do? Aug 31 12:30:38 chem|st: "everything you edited by hand in /" --> I have no idea anymore by now :) Aug 31 12:30:48 go for rsync Aug 31 12:30:49 Yeah, reflash is kind of a major cleanup operation Aug 31 12:31:39 don't miss /home, do not include /home/user/MyDocs (as that's your mass storage device and better copied that way) Aug 31 12:31:40 my desktops / is 11GB used... Aug 31 12:31:52 with var and everything Aug 31 12:32:21 even a pagefile... (deaktivated swap partition a while ago...) Aug 31 12:32:22 8.8GB here Aug 31 12:32:32 Without pagefile Aug 31 12:32:36 and that is a desktop... Aug 31 12:32:52 well my home is 63GB used... Aug 31 12:33:17 whatever, increasing /home from 2 to maybe 4 or even 8 GB is a sane thing, we don'T need to discuss :-) Aug 31 12:33:33 DocScrutinizer: sure Aug 31 12:33:49 well 8 sounds insane Aug 31 12:33:56 :shrug: Aug 31 12:34:03 depends Aug 31 12:34:21 chem|st: I'm not using MyDocs for anything anyways, might as well increase the size of /home Aug 31 12:34:22 what for? having more programs installed than my desktop?! Aug 31 12:34:34 ErwinJunge: thats another case Aug 31 12:34:36 javispedro's pre-thingie seems to eat /home/user like candy for each single game you install Aug 31 12:34:46 I use mydocs and thuSD as backup Aug 31 12:35:01 DocScrutinizer: true Aug 31 12:35:49 and allegedly the 2GB originally were meant to just suffice for trackerd's index db Aug 31 12:35:55 Anyways, after flashing. From hanging out in this channel for a while I've learned to avoid fapman. Anything else to avoid? Anything I really should install (apart from power-kernel and cssu)? Aug 31 12:36:00 but in that 11gb of / are things like QuakeIII and other 1GB games... Aug 31 12:36:02 of a MyDocs full of crappy 90s songs Aug 31 12:36:19 lol Aug 31 12:36:42 rootsh Aug 31 12:37:17 avoid installing powerkernel and cssu right away Aug 31 12:37:22 install rootsh Aug 31 12:37:36 ssh server&client metapackage Aug 31 12:38:07 get a feeling of how a *clean* maemo feels, how long the battery lasts etc Aug 31 12:38:17 DocScrutinizer: it is actualy better to install cssu right after rootsh and openssh as you cannot get into trouble with other stuff's dependencies Aug 31 12:38:32 then after a few days go for customization like powerkernel, desktop-widgets, CSSU Aug 31 12:39:42 ooh, and you want to make sure you don't miss to install backupmenu right away, definitely Aug 31 12:40:14 I actually need powerkernel since I regularly use the phone to access the internet on my laptop on the go Aug 31 12:40:33 and make a 'snapshot' of your fresh install (afterrootsh, ssh, and maybe half a dozen other mandatory things that is) Aug 31 12:40:59 mobile hotspot? Aug 31 12:41:50 PK47 seems not to work with moHotSpot Aug 31 12:42:31 CSSU is actually harmless Aug 31 12:42:34 more or less Aug 31 12:42:40 more less Aug 31 12:42:46 Sometimes, when I need to share as well, but mostly the usb edition. Does the usb networking require powerkernel? Aug 31 12:42:57 never tried powerkernel, desktop widgets do happen to suck now and then Aug 31 12:43:21 it nukes the camera-ui binary and you can't get it back (unless you find some idiot who left a copy in internet to download ;-D ) Aug 31 12:44:04 ErwinJunge: nope, usb tehtering and netwoking should work OOTB Aug 31 12:45:28 DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router --> Says to install kernel-power-settings. I guess that pulls in the pk as well? Aug 31 12:45:30 Doc: Actually, it leaves the camera-ui binary afaik Aug 31 12:45:38 ErwinJunge: I gather your laptop is configured ready to use USB tehrering, so just try it after flashing Aug 31 12:45:44 Doc: it is still accessble from the new binary, anyway Aug 31 12:46:14 ErwinJunge: yes, probably. I never heard of USB-router though Aug 31 12:46:52 That's what I actually meant, I should have been more specific. Upside to that method is that it requires no configuration on the laptop/pc end. Aug 31 12:47:04 RST38h: definitely not Aug 31 12:47:23 Also, the phone has an ip address, so I can mount it via ssh Aug 31 12:47:33 ErwinJunge: yup, I see Aug 31 12:48:19 yes, this will need netfilter/iptables whatever (I never get the names right, it seen too many renames during my active time) Aug 31 12:48:33 and those are depending on PK Aug 31 12:49:09 (ipchains been another one of the names iirc) Aug 31 12:49:32 well, netfilter/iptables have been around for quite a while for now.. Aug 31 12:49:45 I've never had problems with mobilehotspot btw with pk47 Aug 31 12:50:05 Well, not any more than with the earlier versions Aug 31 12:50:06 hmm, somebody claimed recent PK failed on it Aug 31 12:50:23 just some 3 days ago Aug 31 12:50:32 maybe recent PK is 48 then? Aug 31 12:50:58 current for me is 47, but I can't update anything anymore because of my full /home :) Aug 31 12:51:31 well, you know about it now, just in case you run into trouble Aug 31 12:51:48 Thanks Aug 31 12:52:41 [2011-08-30 10:17:26] how can I roll back to kernel power 47 ? Aug 31 12:52:58 [2011-08-30 09:55:40] mobile hotspot no longer work after power kernel upgrade Aug 31 12:53:34 Ok, so to recap: rootsh, openssh, backupmenu. Try phone for couple of days, or until I need to tether. Install PK. Did I miss anything here? Aug 31 12:53:38 Ah, so pk updated Aug 31 12:57:51 Regarding the cssu: I thought it had all kinds of useful small fixes? Is the only problem with is the camera-ui thing? Aug 31 13:00:05 Because I honestly don't mind the new camera ui that came with it. Aug 31 13:00:39 Doc: Will ask Mohammad Aug 31 13:01:48 ErwinJunge: (did I miss sth) nope, sounds good Aug 31 13:02:28 cssu *should* be fine now, though I haven't tested since ages Aug 31 13:02:53 And finally, after installing the necessary packages, any config files that need tweaking? I always assumed Nokia probably did a good job with the defaults, but things have changed a bit since then (pk, cssu). Aug 31 13:03:02 basically all the fixes I care about are the ones listed on my tools page Aug 31 13:03:15 DocScrutinizer: running cssu since day one Aug 31 13:03:59 you may want to give swappolube a try Aug 31 13:05:05 supposed to somewhat fix occasional extended freeze periods, esp when copying large files around etc Aug 31 13:05:38 Ok, added to the list Aug 31 13:07:02 and please think twice before you mess with CPU clock freq in PK-settings :-D Aug 31 13:07:18 aka overclocking Aug 31 13:08:46 I actually like this phone, so not touching that :) What about undervolting btw, to save battery? Aug 31 13:10:07 if you feel keen and familiar with low level cmdline stuff you may even want to create a backup of your kernel and CAL aka config NAND partition, using "mtd_debug read..." and the info from /proc/mtd Aug 31 13:10:40 ErwinJunge: undervolting isn't supposed to chage much about battery life Aug 31 13:11:35 (mtd_debug read) supposed to get support in next version of backupmenu Aug 31 13:12:48 I'll do a bit of googling on that, thanks for the tip Aug 31 13:13:13 If uv doesn't change much about the battery I'm not investing time and effort in it, thanks again Aug 31 13:13:25 it's simple, do a mtd_debug --help and a cat /proc/mtd Aug 31 13:14:21 pull out your calculator... :-) (for length, startaddr) Aug 31 13:14:44 well, length == size I guess Aug 31 13:15:09 never been tested afaik, so beware if you don't feel venturous :-D Aug 31 13:15:44 it *should* work this way, mtd_debug read for creating a backup, write for restoring Aug 31 13:16:26 but you also have a fair chance to *really* brick your hw on nuking CAL/config Aug 31 13:16:58 so maybe better don't test the restoring unless you need it for good Aug 31 13:17:01 Ok, so that's not happening than. I'm not that adventurous Aug 31 13:17:44 ;-) fair enough Aug 31 13:18:01 for flashing see Aug 31 13:18:03 ~flash Aug 31 13:18:04 hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 31 13:20:30 Alright, thanks for all the info. I'm not going to do any of this right now btw (no time), but just wanted to know the steps to do things right. Especially the editing of the image prior to flashing, great tip. Aug 31 13:22:42 watch out with editing, the number of chars mustn't change Aug 31 13:22:55 s/chars/digits/ here Aug 31 13:24:29 it's tested for 4GB and iirc 6GB, it failed for 16GB, can't recall if the guy managed to get a usable img by abusing some whitespace for the additional digit Aug 31 13:24:33 So max would be 9999? Aug 31 13:25:12 Maybe you should put this info in you tools page as well, it still says Size is in MB, you probably can increase /home partition to some 28G Aug 31 13:25:15 somewhat, yeah, I guess that's max Aug 31 13:25:27 :nod: Aug 31 13:26:31 If I screw this up, will that permanently break things? Or can I just edit it again and reflash? Aug 31 13:26:49 no way, it will just refuse to flash iirc Aug 31 13:27:13 so yes, you can use an original img copy and retry Aug 31 13:27:39 I guess I'll just go for 8096 to be safe Aug 31 13:27:47 fair enough Aug 31 13:28:04 Interesting how your rsync script supports multiple N900s. How many do you have? :) Aug 31 13:28:12 2 Aug 31 13:28:32 though I run that script against one of then only Aug 31 13:28:47 Just in case you break one? Aug 31 13:28:48 *usually* :-D Aug 31 13:29:10 one is a development device, the other my private everyday phone Aug 31 13:30:15 Not a really robust backup mechanism btw, overwriting the previous backup. Would you be interested in a bit more advanced script which uses hardlinks to automatically make full backups every day while only taking the space that incremental backups would take? Aug 31 13:32:12 ErwinJunge: I do the same... the drive it is stored on is in inc backup^^ Aug 31 13:41:46 ErwinJunge: I actually do the ln dance :-D Aug 31 13:42:33 esp useful on mirrors of repos that occasionally tend to rm files that were available on mishap Aug 31 13:42:36 DocScrutinizer: Ok, just thought I'd offer since it's not shown in the script on your tools page :) Aug 31 13:42:46 :-D Aug 31 13:42:54 yeah, should add it Aug 31 13:43:03 so the Ctrl+BS task switching needs modified-hildon... Aug 31 13:43:05 ? Aug 31 13:43:15 actually I do a cp -al Aug 31 13:44:01 same here Aug 31 13:44:20 cp -al harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan-dev.nokia.com_$(date +%Y-%m-%d)/ ;-D Aug 31 13:44:42 Sicelo: yep Aug 31 13:44:54 cp -al $DEST/current /$DEST/`date +%Y%m%d` Aug 31 13:44:59 remarkably similar :) Aug 31 13:45:06 Sicelo: the nice version as of the video linked to in my tools page does Aug 31 13:46:21 yeah, your tools page is most useful. i meant to ask what the 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr Aug 31 13:46:26 line is for? Aug 31 13:48:27 that's at the end of the section which sets up the ctrl+bs task switch Aug 31 13:59:35 GeneralAntilles: now you will have to make a review as soon as you get the watch ;) Aug 31 13:59:45 like, how's the battery life and so. Aug 31 14:00:08 Yeah Aug 31 14:00:18 Hope I can get it interfacing with the N950 quickly. Aug 31 14:00:29 Sounds like an interesting problem to tackle Aug 31 14:00:35 GeneralAntilles: what watch? Aug 31 14:00:41 if the battery life is more than two days I might get one too Aug 31 14:00:41 MetaWatch Aug 31 14:00:48 http://www.metawatch.org/ Aug 31 14:00:56 javispedro, previews say about a week. Aug 31 14:01:02 Sicelo: Ctrl-Bs to launch task switcher has been standard in Fremantle since the N900 prototypes Aug 31 14:01:28 GeneralAntilles: Is it a brick? Aug 31 14:01:34 GeneralAntilles: a review I read mentioned "single day" :( but he blamed unoptimized firmware. Aug 31 14:02:11 Jaffa, dunno, doesn't ship until end of September. Aug 31 14:02:25 Single day I could handle Aug 31 14:02:32 I mean, I already charge 3 devices at night. Aug 31 14:02:37 a 4th wont end the world Aug 31 14:02:45 GeneralAntilles: the last Fossil watch I've owned was a PalmOS one, it was also single-day. Aug 31 14:03:00 GeneralAntilles: Looks nice. If battery life is good (month or so), I'll have an analogue one. Ta. Aug 31 14:03:00 I'm a heavy PalmOS fan, it's the best watch in the world, and yet, I couldn't handle the single-day battery. Aug 31 14:03:12 Jaffa, I doubt it'll be anywhere close to that long. Aug 31 14:03:27 single day.. watch? as in one day charge? Aug 31 14:04:01 jaska: yes Aug 31 14:04:07 GeneralAntilles: I'd be also worried about the additional drain on my phone of it sending cool Bluetooth messages to my watch all day. Aug 31 14:04:26 Jaffa, N950 is currently day-point-five-plus for me. Aug 31 14:04:30 Jaffa: considering the same drain applies to the watch battery I wouldn't worry about the phone Aug 31 14:04:32 javis: ouch. Aug 31 14:04:32 So if that took it down to a day, then meh. Aug 31 14:04:54 Nice idea, I'll stick with fully mechanical though: http://www.davis.nl/en/Klassiek/scelet.html Aug 31 14:05:13 Even have to wind it manually. No battery-life whatsoever, because no battery ;) Aug 31 14:05:56 ErwinJunge, still have to charge it. Aug 31 14:06:03 tbh I also like the analog+oled one more, but I bet it uses more battery. Aug 31 14:07:01 gimme eink watch :) Aug 31 14:07:07 Too big for an analog watch Aug 31 14:07:10 and no second hand Aug 31 14:07:44 Still a great idea though, essentially an extra screen on your wrist. Aug 31 14:07:55 the watch protocol looks very nice and hackable Aug 31 14:08:24 javispedro, apparently the point. Aug 31 14:09:04 GeneralAntilles: I remember another watch of the same spirity, but it was more "you install an app on the phone. the app renders". Aug 31 14:09:16 This is more like "the phone has full control of the watch" Aug 31 14:09:22 it renders whatever it wants on it Aug 31 14:09:40 * GeneralAntilles will be back later. Aug 31 14:10:17 and if what the SDK says is true, it has an accelerometer.. Aug 31 14:10:33 and a light sensor Aug 31 14:12:24 you could probably convert it into some kind of minimap screen for ovi maps or ex. Aug 31 14:12:28 *for ex. Aug 31 14:13:00 ohhhhh Aug 31 14:13:03 refresh time wouldn't be good, and I wouldn't expect battery life to last a lot in this mode tough... Aug 31 14:13:11 * ErwinJunge wants a minimap on his wrist Aug 31 14:13:25 ErwinJunge: then do! Aug 31 14:13:27 With icons for teammates Aug 31 14:13:36 it is fully doable Aug 31 14:13:38 And preferably enemies, but that would be cheating Aug 31 14:13:41 that is possible too... Aug 31 14:14:23 Joking aside though, minimap on wrist while on vacation == awesome Aug 31 14:14:27 it has a vibrator too. Aug 31 14:15:10 "hit indicator" Aug 31 14:15:54 ammo remaining Aug 31 14:16:43 It looks very nice. Aug 31 14:16:51 * ErwinJunge is seriously considering buying one of these just for the minimap idea Aug 31 14:17:02 My cons: no touchscreen, low battery, useless if no phone Aug 31 14:17:42 Hm... no touchscreen is definitely a missed chance Aug 31 14:17:48 ah found it Aug 31 14:17:52 http://www.getinpulse.com/ Aug 31 14:17:55 s/chance/opportunity/ Aug 31 14:17:55 ErwinJunge meant: Hm... no touchscreen is definitely a missed opportunity Aug 31 14:17:56 this is the other one I was considering Aug 31 14:18:11 along with the Motorola one but that is not as hackable Aug 31 14:18:17 the InPulse one also looks interesting Aug 31 14:18:42 but it seemingly has less battery, no touchscreen either Aug 31 14:19:01 but since they "install" apps on the watch is not completely useless when the phone is out of range Aug 31 14:19:33 Seems like a better idea. Also, it's $50 cheaper Aug 31 14:19:45 javispedro: That says up-to 4 days, which is quite cool. Aug 31 14:22:52 "up-to" is very dangerous Aug 31 14:23:28 Jaffa: reviews say "6-7 hours" Aug 31 14:23:33 which is what I'd believe Aug 31 14:23:48 OLED is still a battery sucker when compared to an old-style LCD. Aug 31 14:24:06 depends on the number of lit pixels Aug 31 14:24:15 E7 does very well in terms of battery life Aug 31 14:25:17 RST38h: note that you're comparing to a plain old LCD, probably not even TFT. Aug 31 14:25:22 it's monochrome Aug 31 14:25:35 ah Aug 31 14:25:37 I believe they are not even comparable -- but no data to back this off :) Aug 31 14:25:45 you mean the old LCD Aug 31 14:26:22 yeah Aug 31 14:26:34 talking about geeky watches to impress the girls here =) Aug 31 14:26:45 (obviously kidding :) ) Aug 31 14:27:52 javispedro: A nokia 3310 (for example) has a 20*30mm or so 90*120 pixel or so display - and has (from memory) around a 5mA draw from the LCD. Aug 31 14:28:11 An OLED display of a similar size will use about an order of magnitude more. Aug 31 14:28:23 Even with just one or two pixels on, it will vastly exceed 5mA Aug 31 14:28:35 hi, is there gtalk audio call on N900 by default? Aug 31 14:28:42 need help quick, thank you Aug 31 14:28:50 javispedro: Just buy Arkanoid's famous Chinese watch phone Aug 31 14:29:23 javispedro: And impress them all you like, if they do not take you for an alien with that chunk of metal on your wrist Aug 31 14:29:41 and a talk time measured in minutes :) Aug 31 14:30:04 * SpeedEvil ponders the total talk-time on his n900. Aug 31 14:30:19 I think - over the 2 yearsish - it must be approaching 30. Aug 31 14:30:38 RST38h: ah, _that_ watch. Aug 31 14:31:08 javispedro: If you can stand MTK's chipset and atrocious localization Aug 31 14:31:54 for some reason, weeks after I got rid of the gigantic Fossil PalmOS watch, geeky ugly gigantic watches started being fashionable Aug 31 14:32:27 e.g. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/108065850/Tokyo_Flash_LED_Watch_Pimp_2_v0.summ.jpg Aug 31 14:32:29 Still using a Timex DataBank here. Not gigantic, but sufficiently geeky. Aug 31 14:36:56 ( yeah, your tools page is most useful. i meant to ask what the 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr) updating/replacing stuff like libvte or hildon-desktop makes apt unhappy wrt mp-fremantle-generic-pr which includes those, so you can't use apt-get install anymore as it allways throws error about unmet dependencies that supposedly need to get fixed prior to any installation of new stuff. Removing the metapackage "fixes" that. Aug 31 14:36:58 In CSSU those problems are handled in another better way, and basically you neither need to do the dpkg -i modified-hildon-desktop_3.1_armel.deb nor the dpkg -i libvte4_0.16.14-0mh9.m5_armel.deb if you install CSSU, so you also don't need the apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr Aug 31 14:40:13 aha. thanks. will go CSSU later. Aug 31 14:44:36 my watch is a Nokia cellphone Aug 31 14:44:42 that's pretty bulky Aug 31 14:44:46 It's a pocketwatch :P Aug 31 14:50:59 Ho damn, I format mmcblk0p1, and as device start I see that I format /home too Aug 31 14:51:22 no locale, no hildon style... no UI Aug 31 14:51:29 maemo screwed by /me Aug 31 14:52:11 the fastest way to restore my home would be to reflash, right? Aug 31 14:59:13 kevin_b: yeah probably Aug 31 14:59:28 you may need to reflash emmc image too, not sure Aug 31 14:59:33 or possibly JUST emmc Aug 31 14:59:39 i forget which one does what Aug 31 15:15:06 if you only flash emmc you wipe themes locale icons etc Aug 31 15:15:23 I dont't get it Aug 31 15:15:38 so on mmcblk0p1 partition there was MyDocs Aug 31 15:15:48 I didnt think I would screw the whole Aug 31 15:15:53 emmc Aug 31 15:16:11 "NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes." Aug 31 15:16:33 If I want to reset back the eMMC, I need to flash rootfs as well? Aug 31 15:17:06 yes Aug 31 15:17:38 on first boot icons,themes,locale,fonts and a bunch of other stuff is moved from rootfs to emmc Aug 31 15:17:49 when you flash emmc you delete that Aug 31 15:18:08 ok so I would just like to turn the fat MyDocs into ext3 Aug 31 15:18:17 what should I do Aug 31 15:18:34 kevin_b, I can tell you Aug 31 15:18:39 i think people have instead enlarged /home and shrunk MyDocs Aug 31 15:18:43 I did change the fstab, and mkds.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 (after umounting well) Aug 31 15:18:56 fstab isn't used Aug 31 15:19:37 boot with the rescue initrd (instructions in google), then activate mass storage mode, and then you can repartition it from your computer with gparted Aug 31 15:20:30 so steps are : basic reflash, rescue mode and gparted Aug 31 15:20:42 Or if it is used, editing it does nothing as it gets created on boot again. I forget if the fstab is generated after mounting stuff to look like what just got mounted, or if it gets generated before calling mount -a. I have a hunch mount -a isn't used Aug 31 15:20:47 reflash not needed Aug 31 15:21:20 one thing to keep in mind is that the partition order is hardcoded into Maemo Aug 31 15:21:22 What is the best use for the expansion card, btw? Does it get utulised automagically or do I have to link something to it? Aug 31 15:21:33 need to know : mmcblk0p1 is MyDocs right? Aug 31 15:21:37 so you will brick your device if you are not careful Aug 31 15:21:46 edheldil, you can put music and videos on the uSD Aug 31 15:22:16 it appears in file manager Aug 31 15:22:42 ah, so apart from that, apps leave it alone? Aug 31 15:22:54 what I just dont get is why /home get empty as I though I only format mmcblk0p1 Aug 31 15:22:57 yes. Apps don't install to MyDocs either Aug 31 15:23:04 this part contains /home? Aug 31 15:23:19 kevin_b: it probably bailed out when mounting MyDocs failed Aug 31 15:23:58 you can probably follow the process in the bootscripts Aug 31 15:24:19 they got a bit messed up after people complained 50Megs isn't enough for apps... Aug 31 15:24:57 nothing happens if it can not mount mmcblk0p1(besides a message in the yellow bar). Aug 31 15:25:57 and there is usually no problem with unmounting /home/user/MyDocs and doing whatever you want with mmcblk0p1, e.g. making it ext3 Aug 31 15:26:01 my problem now is more like, not mmcbk0 at all Aug 31 15:26:19 groovy Aug 31 15:32:07 when maemo succeed to boot, plug usb, mass-storage enable lol Aug 31 15:32:22 I just click on box characters Aug 31 15:32:32 with some colorful square hildon Aug 31 15:32:37 GeneralAntilles: http://www.metawatch.org/metawatch_host_message_interface.pdf 3.3.13 has a unrelated button table, 3.3.13|14|15 use a reserved or unused payload of up to 26 bytes :-/ Aug 31 15:33:06 anyway I can see the part which is mounted is /home/user in my linux box ... Aug 31 15:33:26 insane Aug 31 15:54:47 javispedro: how's the motorola watch less hackable? Aug 31 15:55:37 DocScrutinizer: afaik it does not even have SDK, it just does a bit of hands free profile. Aug 31 15:56:11 err you must talk about something different then Aug 31 15:56:41 is there one with SDK? O_O Aug 31 15:56:45 probably I meant that TI watch, not moto Aug 31 15:56:50 ah Aug 31 15:56:52 yeah Aug 31 15:56:55 TI was quite nice Aug 31 15:56:57 msp430 iirc Aug 31 15:57:04 and most hackable Aug 31 15:57:06 but no bluetooth. Aug 31 15:57:06 and cheap like hell Aug 31 15:57:12 it also has excellent battery life Aug 31 15:57:15 yoh no BT Aug 31 15:57:26 I was really considering getting one once Aug 31 15:57:31 but the TI logo is overkill :) Aug 31 15:57:33 * DocScrutinizer too Aug 31 15:57:39 plus N-segment display Aug 31 15:57:46 :-/ Aug 31 15:58:41 I wonder if this metawatch can talk at all to normal BT, and what exactly is BT SSP Aug 31 15:58:53 javispedro, sorry, seems that I missed it - what are you talking about? :P Aug 31 15:59:05 Venemo: bluetooth watches Aug 31 15:59:16 DocScrutinizer: metawatch is serial port profile according to docs Aug 31 15:59:32 lowpower BT? Aug 31 15:59:35 and the protocol is deadly simple "Update LCD line X with the following bitvector" Aug 31 15:59:49 ah. Aug 31 15:59:51 s/bitvector/bitmap ;) Aug 31 15:59:55 javispedro: I already ate whole "datasheet" Aug 31 16:00:00 :-) Aug 31 16:00:03 :D Aug 31 16:00:11 I think there's a thousand use cases Aug 31 16:00:20 need to see the max refresh rate live though :P Aug 31 16:00:26 I'm concerned about BT SSP Aug 31 16:00:28 and how does it kill battery life Aug 31 16:00:52 DocScrutinizer: they are targeting android devices. Our BT is way more flexible Aug 31 16:00:57 datasheet says BT is main bat killer Aug 31 16:01:08 ah, you mean that Aug 31 16:01:10 yeah :( Aug 31 16:02:40 I'd expect 12h even with continuously refreshing screen Aug 31 16:02:50 considering that other one with OLED that gets 7-8h Aug 31 16:03:03 but still pure speculation Aug 31 16:03:12 >> To improve battery life, the best practice of the phone should be to not load these Draw Buffers unless there is intent to switch modes when finished (Update Display / Change Modes message). Data loaded that is not used is battery life wasted.<< Aug 31 16:03:38 not surprising Aug 31 16:03:54 why upload a frame if you're never going to swap buffers? :) Aug 31 16:04:32 the fact they went double buffered makes me think the update speed over BT is low though Aug 31 16:04:41 >> Application mode should still have the same ability as Idle mode to have low power consumption and use low power modes when idle. Power will be mostly driven by network use for the interface.<< Aug 31 16:04:46 it'll still run 2h under full load and 1-2 days when not used :) Aug 31 16:05:05 as almost all "mobile" devices do Aug 31 16:05:32 slonopotamus: sadly it's a rule thumb that has worked well in the past Aug 31 16:05:41 *of thumb Aug 31 16:06:42 well, some devices can sit powered on up to 1w when not used :) Aug 31 16:07:33 some watches can work up to 5 years from one battery ;-D Aug 31 16:07:56 the TI one also lasts a lot from what I've hear Aug 31 16:07:57 d Aug 31 16:08:02 and some devices can use 1 W on full load. Aug 31 16:08:13 see Model.ArticleCategory Aug 31 16:08:15 fuck Aug 31 16:08:18 clipboard Aug 31 16:08:22 see http://www.raspberrypi.org/ Aug 31 16:08:59 javispedro: the metawatch seems to have vibrator, which makes me think it should last a lot when not used for excessive BT TX or vibra Aug 31 16:10:03 I am keeping an eye on the reviews Aug 31 16:10:05 hmm... vibra with bt control... :P Aug 31 16:11:23 one thing's for sure: it makes for a damn nice multimedia remote control for N900 Aug 31 16:11:38 lack of touchscreen :( Aug 31 16:11:40 :D Aug 31 16:11:42 meh Aug 31 16:11:46 what for? Aug 31 16:11:57 but it does have way more buttons than the inPulse one which is why I prefer the metawatch atm Aug 31 16:12:03 there are 6some buttons it seems Aug 31 16:12:13 each with 3 levels of activation Aug 31 16:12:50 push, short hold, long hold Aug 31 16:13:29 Venemo: I want one of those! Aug 31 16:13:38 which makes a lot of sense regarding minimizing BT TX, when you think about it Aug 31 16:13:42 DocScrutinizer: I'm working on the liveview, much cheaper and much more available Aug 31 16:14:09 DocScrutinizer: mine shipped over night while metawatch is probably still battling their production delays... Aug 31 16:14:12 dm8tbr: and how hackable? Aug 31 16:14:12 that BT only wrist thingie? Aug 31 16:14:49 javispedro: you can't run your completely own code on it (unless you replace the complete software) but it's hackable enough Aug 31 16:14:57 and there is python concept code I found Aug 31 16:15:30 yes, bt only, 4 touch buttons, 2 hw buttons, oled screen and vibra Aug 31 16:15:40 so like the inPulse then Aug 31 16:15:42 :nod: Aug 31 16:16:34 some guy took it apart and there is enough test points to probably reprogram the microcontroller if someone really cares... Aug 31 16:17:52 not important, I'm more interested in whether I can use it with the N900 Aug 31 16:17:55 or N950 Aug 31 16:18:02 instead of whathever Android crap they ship Aug 31 16:19:12 The inPulse also does apps and the SDK is a ... C cross-compiler (win!) Aug 31 16:19:40 the MetaWatch not does apps but expects phone to refresh screen using ... pretty much standard SPP and documented commandset (win!) Aug 31 16:20:00 javispedro: for the liveview it looks very feasible to me. I just failed to get the python stuff to talk to the device yet from a laptop as proof of concept, others have though Aug 31 16:20:46 so someone is REing the protocol? Aug 31 16:21:47 aha, I see: http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/trunk/liveview/LiveViewMessages.py Aug 31 16:22:51 >> A Kionix KXTF9 is accelerometer is included in the watch hardware. Motion events can be detected by setting it to wake up on orientation change, tap detection, or programming the accelerometer’s motion thresholds.<< Aug 31 16:23:23 DocScrutinizer: surely you're going to hug the guys for making a non-polling driver ;) Aug 31 16:23:32 indeed Aug 31 16:23:38 they knew their shit Aug 31 16:25:20 regarding energy consumption / batery life; >> The usage of the accelerometer is highly application dependent. The amount of power used by the accelerometer would exceed the rest of the watch if it were left on continuously. For that reason, control of the accelerometer is left to the application.<< Aug 31 16:26:47 :-) >> Button inputs are monitored by the background task. Button inputs are interrupt driven so that the button event is sent to the application and/or phone immediately after the button debounce time.<< Aug 31 16:27:23 see how you build a real power economic embedded hw/sw system! Aug 31 16:27:31 oops that's not #meego Aug 31 16:29:01 dm8tbr: what does happen to the Liveview if the phone goes off? Aug 31 16:32:43 * javispedro dreams about QML for smartwatches Aug 31 16:33:52 javispedro: it is still a watch Aug 31 16:33:58 javispedro: but nothing besides that Aug 31 16:34:15 dm8tbr: so the entire menu of apps, etc. disappears? Aug 31 16:34:30 (note: I think it's a good thing, means phone has full control of device...) Aug 31 16:34:57 from the messages on that RE'd SDK, I fail to see how it works... Aug 31 16:46:30 javispedro: meh, N900 won't probably be able to connect to metawatch and a BT-headset same time Aug 31 16:46:54 that's a good point. Aug 31 16:47:05 but it's not a hw problem. Aug 31 16:47:53 * javispedro remembers trying once two rfcomm sockets at the same time... don't remember if I succeded, but I guess I did. Aug 31 16:59:02 javispedro: yes, if you press the hw button longer it tries to connect to the last BT device Aug 31 17:01:32 javispedro, https://github.com/travisgoodspeed/PyMetaWatch Aug 31 17:02:33 so it started shipping? Aug 31 17:05:29 dm8tbr, end of September according to TI's webstore. Aug 31 17:05:35 Guy's got a prototype Aug 31 17:06:33 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I keep getting their delay mails since may or so ;) Aug 31 17:06:38 uh, metawatch is TI too? Aug 31 17:06:47 yes Aug 31 17:07:40 as said the battery life on their previous one was _excellent_ Aug 31 17:11:17 so I could believe their claims of 1 week.. Aug 31 17:11:46 javispedro: yoh, also TI Aug 31 17:13:21 when I don't connect the liveview by bt too often it also survives quite long. kind of defeats the purpose though ;D Aug 31 17:14:21 tradeoffs... Aug 31 17:14:27 OLED color vs Monochrome Aug 31 17:14:52 now that seems that the Liveview is also hackable.... the only item left is battery life :) Aug 31 17:15:21 cause it seems that liveview is also much cheaper.. Aug 31 17:15:42 well, >>BT enabled, no headset connected +2 mA with ~1/5 time spikes to +9 mA<< http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Aug 31 17:16:40 so I'm sure the BT chip in metawatch can standby on less than that Aug 31 17:16:52 CBA to dig out the ds Aug 31 17:17:27 CC2560 Aug 31 17:17:34 ^^^BT chip Aug 31 17:17:54 whoa, the Liveview could be mine for €50, including shipping costs Aug 31 17:18:06 impulse buy range warning Aug 31 17:18:34 I lie: Can be arsed ;-P http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/cc2560_slyt377.pdf Aug 31 17:19:19 hello all ! Aug 31 17:19:33 Ultra-low-power scan 135 µA 1.28-second interval Aug 31 17:19:42 javispedro: that is EXACTLY what happened to me ;) Aug 31 17:20:09 javispedro: had to shell out 60ecu though for the luxury of living in finland ;) Aug 31 17:20:10 so I'm not going to visit that page then Aug 31 17:20:12 :-D Aug 31 17:20:46 as I'm sure I prefer the metawatch Aug 31 17:21:28 * javispedro floats mouse pointer over the buy button Aug 31 17:22:15 dm8tbr: so how's the battery life? Aug 31 17:22:39 DocScrutinizer: I did until they started delaying and delaying and I realized the liveview is much cheaper Aug 31 17:23:06 javispedro: uhm no idea, but I guess the fact that I barely remember how often I have to recharge it is quite telling Aug 31 17:23:25 have to say that: a) as long as I can send bitmaps from the phone b) as long as it gets more than two days of "BT use" it's fine for me. Aug 31 17:23:30 but caveat emptor: this is mostly without being bt connected Aug 31 17:23:48 dm8tbr: according to my bank account and also according to my general rules about getting hardware just because it's "nice", I won't see either on my desk Aug 31 17:24:16 hey, I've been considering _analog_ clocks as replacement for my casio that are €30 Aug 31 17:24:38 DocScrutinizer: desk would be the wrong place anyway, watches belong on the wrist ;) Aug 31 17:24:46 lol Aug 31 17:24:46 but yeah I can relate to that Aug 31 17:25:55 in fact, the official watchband replacement for my current casio clock is eur30 (more than the clock itself), which is the reason I was considering replacing the entire watch... Aug 31 17:26:16 hmm Aug 31 17:28:30 dm8tbr: according to the engadget review it doesn't have its own RTC? makes no sense Aug 31 17:28:31 there's been a time in the 70 and then again in the mid 80 when I loved wrist watches, first Seiko, then in the 80s good digital watches. I think though I quit with the custom to wear any wrist watch, since I got another gadget on me Aug 31 17:28:57 javispedro: if you shut it down completely it needs a resync over BT Aug 31 17:29:13 javispedro: as long as you don't do that it works quite fine Aug 31 17:29:17 no wonder it's cheap, a watch without RTC! =) Aug 31 17:30:01 see why I'd prefer metawatch nevertheless? :-D Aug 31 17:30:15 yeah Aug 31 17:30:22 sure, it's the shinier gadget Aug 31 17:30:22 it's nicer. Aug 31 17:30:37 availability and price got me... Aug 31 17:31:01 but I look at my current über scratched watch with a broken band Aug 31 17:31:20 think of $200 vs eur50 Aug 31 17:31:24 well.. Aug 31 17:31:48 the band on the liveview also looks ultra cheap Aug 31 17:32:06 138.50€ Aug 31 17:32:27 plus shipping :) Aug 31 17:33:26 metawatch got leather band Aug 31 17:34:32 >>One digital display watch with stainless steel case; mineral crystal lens; leather strap. Programming/charging clip & micro USB cable<< Aug 31 17:35:40 water resistant up to 3ATM Aug 31 17:35:40 liveview: plastic case, plastic lens, stretch velcro strap, clip, micro-usb foo Aug 31 17:36:14 TI are stupid Aug 31 17:36:25 "your TI-pass has not been renewed by your Administrator." Aug 31 17:36:39 errrwhat? Aug 31 17:36:47 I know that you idiots. Do I really need to sign the NDAs AGAIN just to buy something from your store? Aug 31 17:37:06 DocScrutinizer: my account was created around a year ago beacuse of some powervr drivers bullshit Aug 31 17:37:07 LOL Aug 31 17:37:25 clear your cookies Aug 31 17:37:36 Yeah, MetaWatch looks nicer, though. Aug 31 17:37:45 seems that the NDA expired (not that I gained any knowledge you don't know about it) so they decided to block my account Aug 31 17:38:16 DocScrutinizer: not a local client, it's not the first time I see this Aug 31 17:38:29 hmmm Aug 31 17:38:30 * GeneralAntilles didn't. Aug 31 17:38:31 last time I even sent them an email about. Aug 31 17:38:36 https://estore.ti.com/MSP-WDS430BT2000D-Bluetooth-Wearable-Watch-development-system-with-Digital-display-P2447.aspx Aug 31 17:39:01 DocScrutinizer: I can see that fine, I just can't get passed the ckecout page. Aug 31 17:39:05 *pass Aug 31 17:39:24 dang Aug 31 17:39:36 must be cookies, what else? Aug 31 17:40:05 as said it has happened on a different computer Aug 31 17:40:26 it's a problem with my account. Aug 31 17:40:28 Create a new account? Aug 31 17:40:44 MEH!!! Aug 31 17:40:45 and another email alias, and ... Aug 31 17:40:51 >> Aug 31 17:40:52 Oops! Aug 31 17:40:54 An unexpected error has occurred. The error message has been recorded for the system administrator. We apologize for the inconvenience. Aug 31 17:40:55 << Aug 31 17:42:32 you can't add to chart the metawatch, it seems Aug 31 17:44:05 "available Sept 29th" is sufficient to let you know it's nonsense to click on "add to chart" Aug 31 17:44:22 was just doing it to calculate shipping costs Aug 31 17:44:33 * DocScrutinizer waves and wanders off getting tobacco Aug 31 17:46:13 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "hey, your birthday is like 9 months away" Aug 31 17:46:39 DocScrutinizer, #maemo isn't buying you a MetaWatch. Aug 31 17:46:51 hey, mine is relatively sooner :) Aug 31 17:47:04 I'm used to buying gifts for myself Aug 31 17:47:42 Hey, mine is only 6 weeks away! Aug 31 17:48:13 mine is less than 3 :) Aug 31 17:48:19 Damn! Aug 31 17:48:22 Wait, no. Aug 31 17:48:25 Excellent! Aug 31 17:48:27 yeah :( Aug 31 17:48:40 you get a metawatch right on the launch date :) Aug 31 17:50:12 oh Aug 31 17:50:28 the LiveView's screen turns off after inactivity? Aug 31 17:50:33 yes Aug 31 17:50:38 bummer Aug 31 17:50:49 first it dimms then it turns off Aug 31 17:51:08 but it's easy enough to push the button to get it on Aug 31 17:51:08 It's like an N900! Aug 31 17:51:11 no wonder they talk about 4days Aug 31 17:51:41 well oled is low power, but would probably not survive _that_ long with that tiny battery Aug 31 17:53:00 oh didn't know the existance of metawatch Aug 31 17:53:06 i like the design Aug 31 17:53:23 bt is the only connectivity ? Aug 31 17:53:36 USB clip Aug 31 17:53:40 For JTAG etc Aug 31 17:54:41 yep but the only one for wireless connectivity. no wifi for example Aug 31 17:54:55 yeah i know i m a network geek Aug 31 17:55:07 dependent on phone Aug 31 17:56:15 yeah require a phone Aug 31 17:59:13 but i like the concept Aug 31 17:59:22 ~ping Aug 31 17:59:22 ~pong Aug 31 18:00:50 auto lock office computer when too far away from it Aug 31 18:00:55 same for phone Aug 31 18:00:57 :) Aug 31 18:01:42 Yeah Aug 31 18:01:51 I'd like BT proximity stuff to actually work. Aug 31 18:02:32 I'd like to see more cool rfid/nfc stuff Aug 31 18:02:49 the problem I see with it though is the total lack of security so far Aug 31 18:03:40 and total lack of reliability. Aug 31 18:03:46 I've never had Bluetooth manage to work well. Aug 31 18:03:58 Had another Bluetooth related kernel panic on my desktop last night, actually. Aug 31 18:04:02 hum look like an other fossil watch Aug 31 18:04:04 for geek Aug 31 18:04:04 it s not yet available right ? Aug 31 18:04:04 stupid isp phone block pdf download ... grr Aug 31 18:04:04 nfc can be secure ... depends of protocol used Aug 31 18:04:17 Khertan, shipping end of September. Aug 31 18:04:36 Probably going to be a tad large for my wrist. . . . Aug 31 18:06:33 saying nfc isn t secure is like saying tcp isn t secure Aug 31 18:06:41 Khertan: problem is that secure element is not widely used Aug 31 18:06:59 yes if you want security you have to build it on top Aug 31 18:07:12 Meanwhile: The Chinese want to capture an asteroid into earth's orbit and mine it. Aug 31 18:07:23 there is IPsec below TCP ;) Aug 31 18:08:54 GeneralAntilles, generally all fossil geek watch have hugh size Aug 31 18:08:54 i remember my wristpda Aug 31 18:08:54 i hope this time battery will be better Aug 31 18:08:54 as wristpda need a recharge every 8hours Aug 31 18:08:54 ~ping Aug 31 18:08:54 ~pong Aug 31 18:09:12 PalmOS rulez! Aug 31 18:11:06 Metawatch "Designed in Texas", sure. Aug 31 18:19:07 * javispedro sighs at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1104350651/tiktok-lunatik-multi-touch-watch-kits Aug 31 18:20:01 irc chatter doesn t support well 10 min lost of network cover Aug 31 18:21:07 ~ping Aug 31 18:21:07 ~pong Aug 31 18:32:33 javispedro: no bluetooth -> no connectivity -> sucks Aug 31 20:30:59 is there any repository for security updates? like updates for certificates used by email service providers Aug 31 20:33:49 TimmyT: It seems that atm we are on our own. However, this thread contains useful information on how to get rid of the DigiNotar certificate. Also some guy in this thread who wrote to nokia says they are working on an update. Aug 31 20:33:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76178 Aug 31 20:50:15 * SpeedEvil imagines a fix accidentally coming with harmattan on n900. Aug 31 20:53:16 lol Aug 31 21:51:40 ~botsnack Aug 31 21:51:41 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Aug 31 21:52:11 security updates? o.O Aug 31 21:52:18 BWAHAHAHA Aug 31 21:53:50 * DocScrutinizer points at ~597 security warning notifications from adobe about *all* version of flash <${someversion > maemo's vesion} Aug 31 21:54:31 * DocScrutinizer fails to see any security update for flash, ever, on fremantle Aug 31 22:07:33 LOL on quote and comment in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1079618&postcount=15 Aug 31 23:09:02 hello, is there anybody who can help me with u-boot? Aug 31 23:14:08 'Hello Dear, Aug 31 23:14:08 My name is Lilian. i saw your email today at maemo.org as i was searching for a good friend, and i will like us to be friends. therefore contact me with my email address ( lilianbaliyu@yahoo.com) so that i will tell you more about me and also send you my pic as soon as you contact me back.; Aug 31 23:14:13 Haha Aug 31 23:14:19 That's novel. Aug 31 23:15:14 dude, I was about to grab the banhammer :-P Aug 31 23:15:52 Hello! I have a Nokia N900 Phone and while dowloading something via wlan at home my wlan crashes. the router is a TP-LINK TD-W8920G Aug 31 23:16:13 Pali_: ask MohammadAG Aug 31 23:16:19 razzlez: you mean the wlan stops working totally, or it fails on the n900? Aug 31 23:16:38 ok Aug 31 23:16:59 SpeedEvil: the router crashes and restarts Aug 31 23:17:07 I have some news for n900 u-boot: I added support for on screen boot menu Aug 31 23:17:09 or what exactly was your question about uBoot? Aug 31 23:17:23 rebase patches on top of u-boot master Aug 31 23:17:38 nfc, ask moh ;-D Aug 31 23:18:00 I thought uBoot always had support for onscreen menu? Aug 31 23:18:32 bootmenu like maemo multiboot: with cursor keys and configure actions Aug 31 23:18:44 err wut? Aug 31 23:19:05 it has menu entry like grub or lilo... Aug 31 23:19:30 yeah, it's in file boot.scr on first FAT partition Aug 31 23:19:53 afaik Aug 31 23:20:08 yes, but this is other Aug 31 23:20:14 but I added other patches Aug 31 23:20:25 why? Aug 31 23:20:34 fixed keymap, watchdog reset Aug 31 23:20:59 * DocScrutinizer afk Aug 31 23:24:16 ping MohammadAG Aug 31 23:32:11 watchdog handling been implemented in uBoot since long time afaik. Needs enabling Aug 31 23:34:27 fixing keymap sounds like a really great thing (if it wasn't OK) - nothing is more annoying than a hw kbd that's useless as the mapping is broken or incomplete Aug 31 23:35:45 uBoot's help cmd is a joke Aug 31 23:36:18 watchdog, was only disabled. I added reset watchdog function (kick watchdog in every cca 2-3s) Aug 31 23:36:30 maybe with 2 words per line it would not scroll off the screen Aug 31 23:37:29 i tried to find problem why usbtty break kernel, but without success Aug 31 23:38:18 my current code is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot.git (based on old rx51 patches) Aug 31 23:38:26 hah, USB. the musb_hdrc driver is a nightmare and for sure doesn't fit into uBoot Aug 31 23:40:34 usbtty - cdc_acm working fine, but when I booted maemo kernel, dsme start rebooting and I got always kernel panic (when device entered reboot state) Sep 01 01:49:37 is there any maps system for N900 that supports turn by turn and voice ? Sep 01 02:00:48 smhar: 3 of them mod***. a modified OVI Sep 01 02:01:00 smhar: and another I forgot Sep 01 02:01:26 good news, thanks dungeon_archl Sep 01 02:01:55 modrana is the name of the app Sep 01 02:02:06 wonder if cloudgps works. Sep 01 02:02:36 smhar, also monav Sep 01 02:02:45 http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ Sep 01 02:05:37 can they be used offline? Sep 01 02:06:04 or do I need to be connected all the time? Sep 01 02:07:56 smhar: you can try them, I used mappro not requiring connection but it have no voice - or I cannot find it Sep 01 02:08:43 I will try them as soon as I get my replacement N900, I can not wait :-) Sep 01 02:10:15 monav works offline Sep 01 02:11:21 monav uses openstreetmap data tho which is not very complete in some places Sep 01 02:11:42 (or very complete in others :) Sep 01 02:15:42 what else map can these community-made apps use? Only openstreetmap... Sep 01 02:16:21 some can use googlemap tiles but i think not for routing... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 01 02:59:57 2011