**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 01 02:59:57 2011 Sep 01 05:06:45 * RST38h checks the "Ask the COuncil" thread, chuckles, unsubscribes Sep 01 07:54:49 Morning, all Sep 01 07:55:03 morning Jaffa Sep 01 08:31:57 morning Sep 01 09:46:01 Hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/01/google_buys_tax_breaks_along_with_mobility/ Sep 01 09:54:57 Hello Sep 01 09:55:07 Anyone here good with Desktop Command Exec Widget? Sep 01 09:55:26 I am having a bit of trouble getting it to show the output of a script...? Sep 01 09:55:27 "good"? :) Sep 01 09:55:55 Well personally it confuses the heck outta me... Sep 01 09:56:47 I just need it to display the output of a script, the temp fix script for Power 48 Sep 01 09:57:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1076672&postcount=1316 Sep 01 10:03:44 lo andre__ Sep 01 10:04:12 heja Sep 01 10:04:24 morning jaffa, konttori Sep 01 10:29:16 hey doc Sep 01 10:29:26 can you help me out Sep 01 10:40:05 sorry nope, I dunno what I'm talking about Sep 01 10:41:27 xxxxts, what do you mean "display the output of a script"? Sep 01 10:41:48 I have a script that displays the battery temp Sep 01 10:41:55 ShadowJK, please don't use capitals in variable names under bash Sep 01 10:42:15 yes, and? Sep 01 10:42:19 and i don't know how to make that appear in desktop command widget Sep 01 10:42:39 I still don't see a question Sep 01 10:42:57 what do i type into DCEW to get the output of the script? Sep 01 10:43:10 DCEW? Sep 01 10:43:25 deskctop command exec widget Sep 01 10:43:33 ./scriptname.sh Sep 01 10:44:15 or rather, if you install scriptname.sh in /usr/local/bin, you can do directly scriptname.sh Sep 01 10:44:38 that's what i thought Sep 01 10:44:40 let me try agian Sep 01 10:44:43 please hold on one sec Sep 01 10:45:55 it's in /usr/bin/ Sep 01 10:46:02 and i put scriptname.sh Sep 01 10:46:10 into the desktop exect widget Sep 01 10:46:13 aye Sep 01 10:46:21 however it is just displaying the name Sep 01 10:46:32 bq27200_temp.sh Sep 01 10:46:35 not the temp Sep 01 10:46:36 oh Sep 01 10:46:41 is it executable? Sep 01 10:46:43 when i run it in terminal Sep 01 10:46:45 yes it is Sep 01 10:46:51 it displays the temp fine Sep 01 10:47:01 but i need to be root for soem reason Sep 01 10:47:10 so in a shell you can type ba27200_temp.sh Sep 01 10:47:13 and it shows the output? Sep 01 10:47:35 yes, as root Sep 01 10:47:55 do you have bash installed? Sep 01 10:48:18 i'm not sure Sep 01 10:48:25 type bash in a shell Sep 01 10:48:54 * DocScrutinizer just notes he knows that's not batery temp but bq27200 chip die temp, but MEH Sep 01 10:48:59 user@n900:~$ Sep 01 10:49:11 good, so you have bash Sep 01 10:49:59 now, instead of calling the script, how about you just call this: echo "Battery Gauge die Temperature: $(($(./i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w) * 250 / 1000 - 273)) C" Sep 01 10:50:26 should i attempt that in termal first Sep 01 10:50:34 that at least would make it obvious this is NOT battery temp Sep 01 10:51:29 also it's quite obvious it needs i2cget Sep 01 10:51:39 and i2cget needs root perms Sep 01 10:52:13 ./i2cget won't prolly fly Sep 01 10:52:35 i changed ./i2cget to simply /i2cget Sep 01 10:52:43 eh? Sep 01 10:52:44 \o/ Sep 01 10:52:45 and i2cget is in / Sep 01 10:52:50 lol Sep 01 10:52:54 that's wrong on so many levels Sep 01 10:52:55 xxx: really? Sep 01 10:52:56 double \o/ Sep 01 10:53:04 xxx:cool, man Sep 01 10:53:38 I'd place i2cget into /var/log/ Sep 01 10:53:45 okay Sep 01 10:53:46 ;-P Sep 01 10:53:56 but I dunno what I'm talking about Sep 01 10:54:24 it was having trouble locating i2cget with ./ Sep 01 10:54:29 so i just changed it Sep 01 10:54:56 it displays the temp perfectly now, however just echo "Battery Gauge die Temperature: $(($(./i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w) * 250 / 1000 - 273)) C" Sep 01 10:54:59 gives me Sep 01 10:54:59 > Sep 01 10:55:57 you're aware I also dunno if your desktop runs under user root? Sep 01 10:56:22 DocScrutinizer, lmao Sep 01 10:56:38 meh, I *hate* the general policy of chanops not supposed to use /ignore Sep 01 10:57:01 yeah well, suck on it. Sep 01 10:57:19 xxxxts, does it work? Sep 01 10:57:27 nope Sep 01 10:57:30 it can't Sep 01 10:57:35 :-P Sep 01 10:57:42 [12:50:15] it displays the temp perfectly now, Sep 01 10:57:45 # bq27200_temp.sh 34 C Sep 01 10:57:55 that works Sep 01 10:57:59 ok Sep 01 10:57:59 id root Sep 01 10:58:06 but when i echo "Battery Gauge die Temperature: $(($(./i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w) * 250 / 1000 - 273)) C" Sep 01 10:58:09 i jsut get > Sep 01 10:58:16 does su -c work on maemo? Sep 01 10:58:22 I don't have a device to test right here Sep 01 10:58:22 [2011-09-01 12:47:51] ./i2cget won't prolly fly Sep 01 10:58:43 crashanddie: nah Sep 01 10:58:50 sudo Sep 01 10:58:54 or sudo gainroot -c "/i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w" Sep 01 10:59:06 that's more like it Sep 01 10:59:42 i am losing you guys - i am not very advanced to say the least Sep 01 10:59:45 * DocScrutinizer hears RST38h falling off his chair from laughing Sep 01 11:01:35 * crashanddie is tempted to write a script that would op/deop DocScrutinizer at the rhythm of an SOS beep Sep 01 11:01:52 oh so how can you state such advanced claims like [2011-08-31 11:51:57] I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about Sep 01 11:02:23 I believe you are wrong Sep 01 11:02:36 I researched the subject, consulted with a few buddies on mine Sep 01 11:02:37 fine Sep 01 11:02:43 and I believe you're about to get your ass whooped from this channel Sep 01 11:02:58 just because you are more addvanced than i am at Linux doesn't mean you are always correct Sep 01 11:03:40 but your advice on ali1234 was sound, and thank you. Sep 01 11:03:55 meh, I already regret it Sep 01 11:04:01 yeah, just ttry nnot tto mmiissppeell words when you're about to school people, yar? Sep 01 11:04:32 haha, well i actually spoke with ali1234 prior to you, i just didn't know who he was. Sep 01 11:05:07 you gave his advice a lot of validation, i assumed it could be done via boot.scr, i was mistaken Sep 01 11:05:44 ok Sep 01 11:05:46 and i apologize but i am not a very strong speller. NYU educated, can't spell for the life of me. Sep 01 11:05:47 sorry I honestly doubt you even knew ali1234 before I fiast spoke to him, but honestly, this convo is a typical vampire, sucking my time I could spend on better things, so *plonk* Sep 01 11:05:49 going to grab some food Sep 01 11:06:00 first* Sep 01 11:06:05 i have the logs Sep 01 11:06:08 they are public Sep 01 11:06:11 TonyS Sep 01 11:06:28 #meego Sep 01 11:06:29 DocScrutinizer, go ahead, ignore him, i'll take it from here. Sep 01 11:07:35 i don't mean to fight or upset anyone - i am just curious to how to solve the problem i am currently having. Sep 01 11:07:55 and since you guys are much more knowledable on the subject i was hoping you could help me out Sep 01 11:08:50 xxxxts: any advice you will get here assumes some basic knowledge of how Unix works Sep 01 11:08:54 Jaffa: moo Sep 01 11:09:13 If you have not got that background knowledge, most advice will be useless to you Sep 01 11:09:15 oops I said that before, today Sep 01 11:09:41 I have a basic understanding of how a lot of things work Sep 01 11:09:54 I think I can manage Sep 01 11:10:13 i just didn't remember if I installed Bash onto my N900 or not Sep 01 11:13:51 try running it :D Sep 01 11:14:09 if it doesn't work -- well, it's not installed Sep 01 11:14:35 Hmm Sep 01 11:14:44 i have bash on here Sep 01 11:14:52 i am just not very famuliar with that shell Sep 01 11:15:21 so what shell are you familiar with? Sep 01 11:15:54 This touchbook hysteria resulted in it being 2nd (next to iPad) in that type of tablet.. wouldn't it make sense for commercial devs to try out developing for it? :P Sep 01 11:15:56 the shell with the N900, ash Sep 01 11:16:11 RST38h: cmd Sep 01 11:16:20 i believe Sep 01 11:16:54 as it has so few apps, but still a large userbase due to... yeah Sep 01 11:18:29 DocScrutinizer: baa Sep 01 11:18:47 :-) Sep 01 11:19:59 xxxxts: I do think you should gain a bit more experience with Linux, preferably on a standard desktop system. Maybe read a few articles, you know... Sep 01 11:20:17 Before you start messing with N900's internals, that is Sep 01 11:21:35 * FIQ|n900 didn't have much experience with Linux pre-N900 Sep 01 11:22:04 i didn't even know what "ls" was Sep 01 11:22:46 I purchased the N900 the first day it was released, i have contributed a lot to the maemo community Sep 01 11:23:10 So, what have you contriuted to the maemo community? Sep 01 11:23:19 like what? Sep 01 11:23:34 * FIQ|n900 is slow as always Sep 01 11:23:43 I took part in the python port of QBasic Gorillas to the N900 Sep 01 11:24:15 we need worms Sep 01 11:24:15 I figured out a way for SmartCam to retrieve the data Sep 01 11:24:29 I never plaid worms Sep 01 11:25:10 My user name on talk.maemo is xxxxts, feel free to look me up - I am not exactly a noob Sep 01 11:25:17 in what way did you took part in it? :D Sep 01 11:26:24 btw, any news regarding when I can buy a N900 for 100$? Sep 01 11:26:56 I ran it - then others took over to improve it, because of my lack of knowledge in python. Sep 01 11:28:14 So let me clarify Sep 01 11:28:38 crashanddie: RST38h: FIQ|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 - well it is actually quite a bit fuzzy (aah and for those that might have missed, MY nick on tmo is joerg_rw, you're free to look p my contributions, e.g. in the URL quoted <<- over here) Sep 01 11:28:41 You have run QBasic Gorillas on the N900. And that is your contribution to the community? Sep 01 11:29:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69887 Sep 01 11:29:38 but as of xxxxts : [2011-08-31 11:51:57] I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about Sep 01 11:30:12 Doc - you claimed I could not run uboot and multiboot at the same time. I am. Sep 01 11:30:29 I claimed it will conflict Sep 01 11:30:32 it does Sep 01 11:30:38 It does not Sep 01 11:30:43 MEH Sep 01 11:30:48 * RST38h sighs Sep 01 11:30:58 just as long as you recompile the multiboot kernel with uboot Sep 01 11:31:07 xxxxts: Maybe you should stick with t.m.o for advice after all. Sep 01 11:31:25 xxxxts: Very hostile here, smartasses everywhere, you know... Sep 01 11:31:32 I am able to boot the MeeGo kernel and NITDroid Sep 01 11:32:09 RST38h: shutup! Sep 01 11:32:12 ^^ Sep 01 11:32:21 chem|st: what? =) Sep 01 11:32:25 ;) Sep 01 11:32:31 hi chem|st Sep 01 11:32:34 we need worms Sep 01 11:32:35 hedgewars! Sep 01 11:32:35 catfight Sep 01 11:32:35 and xxxxts, what is the point in that? Sep 01 11:32:36 hi doc Sep 01 11:33:06 Well personally, I love the N900 and I love Maemo 5 - best mobile device I have ever had. I have a little more knowledge than some people - thus I would like to go do this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1079934 Sep 01 11:33:31 Thus giving more information to people who are much more clueless than I am. Sep 01 11:33:46 So I believe we are all working towards the same goal. Sep 01 11:33:47 PLEASE pretty please DO NOT Sep 01 11:33:57 xxxxts: you are nuts... Sep 01 11:34:13 the script is giving output "in" the widget! Sep 01 11:34:40 chem|st - please elorbrate? Sep 01 11:34:59 chem|st: i2cget needs root perms Sep 01 11:35:08 xxxxts: the Desktop Command Execution Widget is giving the output of a script Sep 01 11:35:47 well then "root" the script?! Sep 01 11:36:01 RST38h's approach sudo gainroot -c was the only right approach Sep 01 11:36:11 * FIQ|n900 managed to get Hedgewars running on N900, but as he lacks developer skills he wrote on tmo what he did (not that much really, just a dirty run of Debian's version of it), hoping for others to see it and become interested and do a proper port of it.. none was D: Sep 01 11:36:16 I am able to run the script in root termal Sep 01 11:37:00 however I am not able to get DCEW to give me the same output Sep 01 11:37:24 chem|st: though a "correct" approach was to add bq27200-bat.sh to etc/sudoers.d/* Sep 01 11:37:28 I would assume I just put in the little box bq27200_tmp.sh Sep 01 11:38:37 The reason I am doing this is because Power 47 disabled bq27200 tempature readings hence this is the work around: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1076672&postcount=1316 Sep 01 11:38:43 s/bat/tmp/ Sep 01 11:38:43 DocScrutinizer meant: chem|st: though a "correct" approach was to add bq27200-tmp.sh to etc/sudoers.d/* Sep 01 11:38:55 I was able to get it running in QueenBee but I perfer DCEW Sep 01 11:38:58 xxxxts: so much about your "advanced" knowledge^^ Sep 01 11:40:05 chem|st: wasn't that you who said just 2 days ago "sometimes I'm urged to shout "STFU and leave it to somebody more savvy to answer"? (OWTTE) Sep 01 11:40:28 DocScrutinizer: some like that yes! Sep 01 11:40:29 The bq27200 does not produce usable temperature readings of the battery. Sep 01 11:40:33 I am much more proficent with linux than many N900 owners, I can see that obviously in the forms - however I am not nearly as knowledable as you fellas. Sep 01 11:40:39 It's outside the battery, and several millimeters away. Sep 01 11:40:47 SpeedEvil: I already stated that, several times Sep 01 11:40:52 ah - missed that. Sep 01 11:40:58 Yes, we are all aware Sep 01 11:41:02 nobody is interested in that minor detrail Sep 01 11:41:05 Should probably in principle read backscroll. Sep 01 11:41:07 detail aven Sep 01 11:41:12 DocScrutinizer: and s/o was slightly pissed^^ Sep 01 11:41:22 I am just using that termonolgy Sep 01 11:42:05 btw moo SpeedEvil :-) Sep 01 11:42:30 xxxxts: I doubt you are... you might be a GNU superuser... or are willing to become one... Sep 01 11:43:31 That's fine - I am not here to debate my level of knowledge, I am here to solve a problem. Sep 01 11:43:48 DocScrutinizer: temp readings are anywhere far from real if build in hardware mm away from the source Sep 01 11:43:59 xxxxts: solved... Sep 01 11:44:30 And since everyone here (including myself) know that you are all FAR MORE ADCANCED than I in this subject I am asking you - what should I put into the DCEW box to make it show me a reading of tempature? Sep 01 11:45:21 ;) Sep 01 11:47:09 to get your learning curve extrapolated on to enhancing knowledge... you want to run it as user, maybe with sudo... so get on to the CLI and try to get it working as "user" Sep 01 11:48:07 i do not believe i2cget can be ran as user Sep 01 11:48:34 that's probably why he's talking about sudo Sep 01 11:48:39 something that I offered about an hour ago Sep 01 11:48:44 crashanddie: moo! Sep 01 11:49:01 let me experment... Sep 01 11:49:15 crashanddie: make him learn... I am close to lmgtfy Sep 01 11:49:21 Are "GNU superuser" and "cattle herder" the same thing? Sep 01 11:49:26 DCEW->setup->add_command->title:"show BS 'battery temp' value"; Command:"sudo gainroot -c bq272300-tmp.sh" Sep 01 11:49:28 RST38h: some alike Sep 01 11:49:54 DocScrutinizer: NOOOOOOO.... ;) Sep 01 11:50:20 chem|st: you know I don't know what I'm talking about ;-P Sep 01 11:50:37 GOT IT! Sep 01 11:50:45 DocScrutinizer: was more about "DONT TELL HIM!" Sep 01 11:50:57 xxxxts, now scroll back, and find the line where I gave that exact command Sep 01 11:51:01 now stfu and gtfo Sep 01 11:51:02 couldn't stand it any longer Sep 01 11:51:07 DocScrutinizer: no experience in telling someone Sep 01 11:51:13 DocScrutinizer: I know.... Sep 01 11:51:21 No, I understand - I am sorry I am slow on the pickup with Linux Sep 01 11:51:29 xxxxts: you degraded to $user btw Sep 01 11:51:47 s/slow .*/slow/ Sep 01 11:52:23 crashanddie: don't be mean! Sep 01 11:52:30 what? I'm not mean Sep 01 11:52:35 The regexes are! Sep 01 11:52:42 Don't code perl if you can't HANDLE THE TRUTH! Sep 01 11:53:23 ! Sep 01 11:53:42 what really scares me is ""[2011-08-31 11:51:57] I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about"" Sep 01 11:53:57 yes, doc, we've seen that Sep 01 11:53:59 now just let it be Sep 01 11:54:08 ~xxxxts is "[2011-08-31 11:51:57] I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about" Sep 01 11:54:08 okay, chem|st Sep 01 11:54:17 oops nope, my fault Sep 01 11:54:35 He was right Sep 01 11:54:47 this: ""[2011-09-01 13:29:09] Thus giving more information to people who are much more clueless than I am."" Sep 01 11:54:50 50% right, anyway Sep 01 11:55:11 love both Sep 01 11:56:02 ~forget xxxxts Sep 01 11:56:02 i forgot xxxxts, DocScrutinizer Sep 01 11:56:48 sometimes I love her ;-D Sep 01 11:57:07 I know I shouldn't say that in here, like that Sep 01 11:57:22 ~love infobot Sep 01 11:57:23 If you love infobot so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) Sep 01 11:57:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1079934#post1079934 - Haha, thanks guys. Sep 01 11:57:31 ~marry infobot Sep 01 11:57:44 but sometimes I wish my girlfriend would just react the same way when I tell her "tilde forget about " Sep 01 11:57:47 ~attack chem|st Sep 01 11:57:47 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing chem|st Sep 01 11:57:56 ~rape DocScrutinizer Sep 01 11:57:57 * infobot takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Sep 01 11:58:44 ~trout crashanddie Sep 01 11:58:45 * infobot slaps crashanddie around a bit with a large trout! Sep 01 11:58:53 ~nuke ch Sep 01 11:58:54 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ch ... B☢☢M! Sep 01 11:59:00 tab pwned :( Sep 01 11:59:05 lol Sep 01 11:59:16 I just nuked switzerland, fuck. Sep 01 11:59:22 time for 12648430 ☕ Sep 01 11:59:25 ~hail slaten Sep 01 11:59:26 * infobot bows down to slaten and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Sep 01 11:59:47 wtf is slaten? Sep 01 12:00:01 10 times worldchampion surfer Sep 01 12:00:08 aah Sep 01 12:00:32 if you look for impersonated awesomeness it is him Sep 01 12:00:54 karma for DocScrutinizer Sep 01 12:00:56 ~sudo make me a coffee Sep 01 12:00:57 ~karma for DocScrutinizer Sep 01 12:00:57 for docscrutinizer has neutral karma Sep 01 12:01:02 eh? Sep 01 12:01:05 ~karma DocScrutinizer Sep 01 12:01:05 docscrutinizer has karma of 2 Sep 01 12:01:18 ~karma crashanddie Sep 01 12:01:19 crashanddie has neutral karma Sep 01 12:01:23 WHAT? NO!!!! Sep 01 12:01:29 ~crashanddie-- Sep 01 12:01:29 ~crashanddie-- Sep 01 12:01:30 ~crashanddie-- Sep 01 12:01:31 ~crashanddie-- Sep 01 12:01:32 ~crashanddie-- Sep 01 12:01:32 ~crashanddie-- Sep 01 12:01:41 ~karma crashanddie Sep 01 12:01:41 crashanddie has neutral karma Sep 01 12:01:44 crap Sep 01 12:01:45 don't mess with karma please Sep 01 12:01:51 Why? Sep 01 12:01:57 Because karma's a bitch? Sep 01 12:02:04 or it'll come and bite you into ass! Sep 01 12:02:12 it always ruins a channel's S/N *completely* Sep 01 12:02:12 bite into the ass? Sep 01 12:02:15 I am going to work on my next project in a few hours. I will be back to ask you guys noob questions. Sep 01 12:02:24 What kind of euphemism is that? Sep 01 12:02:40 wait Sep 01 12:02:40 OMG Sep 01 12:02:47 that was a "project"? Sep 01 12:03:01 no Sep 01 12:03:24 "work on my next project"..."will be back to ask you guys noob questions" is like you figure out what to give us as new project for you becoming $superuser Sep 01 12:03:38 I am just doing little tweaks, the next thing on my agenda is to max out the volume on my N900 on boot Sep 01 12:03:59 xxxxts: you do not want that Sep 01 12:04:04 I mean booting... Sep 01 12:04:12 vol at 100% why not? Sep 01 12:04:13 booting is the wrong approach Sep 01 12:04:19 Alright partner, keep on trollin' baby, you know what time it is... Sep 01 12:04:31 Why is that the wrong approach? Sep 01 12:05:35 I like to have my speaker phone, phone, and main volume all at 100% when it is not on silent. Sep 01 12:05:41 [2]user@cassiopeia|~]uptime Sep 01 12:05:56 14:00:58 up 121 days, 1551 Sep 01 12:06:13 When my N900 is in my pocket the rocker keys get pressed and since they have portrate and landscape now Sep 01 12:06:20 it is a bitch to adjust Sep 01 12:06:31 I don't know enough about dbus Sep 01 12:06:38 to get it to set like that Sep 01 12:06:38 Chocolate starfish, keep on trollin' baby... Now move in and move out, hands up now hands down, back up, back up, tell me whatcha gonna do now! Breath in now breath out, hands up now hands down, back up, back up, tell me whatcha gonna do now... Sep 01 12:06:49 Keep trollin', trollin', trollin, trolling (x4) Sep 01 12:07:18 telll me watcha gonna do when they come for you Sep 01 12:07:22 s/breath/breathe/ig Sep 01 12:07:59 What would you suggest besides boot, I reboot every 24hrs or so... Sep 01 12:08:16 xxxxts: for what? draining your battery? Sep 01 12:08:31 121 days ago I reset my battery... Sep 01 12:08:34 Switching batteries actually Sep 01 12:09:10 chem|st, Now I know ya'll be lovin this shite right har, P.I.M.P XTS is right here, people in the chan with them hands in the air, cause if you don't care, then we don't care Sep 01 12:10:27 "I'm not afraid!"(tm) Sep 01 12:15:05 Did I just get a first post on Slashdot? Sep 01 12:15:06 http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/01/0259212/Sony-To-Sell-3D-Head-Mounted-Display Sep 01 12:16:35 are you happy about getting a post on Slashdot? Sep 01 12:16:55 Maybe that would prevent the 3D headaches Sep 01 12:17:01 Or maybe it will make them worse Sep 01 12:17:03 Hmmm Sep 01 12:18:06 crashanddie: I want HUD on my glasses and not some freaking helmet! Sep 01 12:18:48 Neckache FTW Sep 01 12:18:57 too wimply for a cranial implant? B)~ Sep 01 12:19:23 RST38h, I'm happy about getting my second ever first post on /.! Sep 01 12:19:46 crashanddie: you think being happy about posting to /. is a good thing? Sep 01 12:20:10 RST38h: there is guy with a cam-eyeball doing documentary stuff for deus ex(tm) and others... Sep 01 12:20:33 yea, but it is not connected to his brain unfortunately Sep 01 12:20:40 RST38h, sure, why not? Sep 01 12:20:50 RST38h, hey, I'll take any moment of happiness I can ;) Sep 01 12:21:18 But the question is Sep 01 12:21:22 WILL IT BLEND? Sep 01 12:21:32 xxxxts: should be able to change battery without reboot... these same guys here made it possible ;) Sep 01 12:21:51 mujtaba: yes it will! Sep 01 12:22:37 RST38h: that will come too Sep 01 12:22:47 Japanese have just got soe good dope: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8734456/Dominos-plans-pizza-on-the-Moon.html Sep 01 12:22:50 RST38h: it is actually possible already Sep 01 12:22:56 s/soe/some Sep 01 12:24:18 yea, albeit with low resolution Sep 01 12:24:47 who cares about resolution? see something! Sep 01 12:24:57 like...a black spot? Sep 01 12:25:06 a gray spot maybe? Sep 01 12:30:19 Hello Arm hackzor Sep 01 12:30:34 I'm trying to build Qt on device :p Sep 01 12:30:40 why? Sep 01 12:30:42 actually I just want the doc Sep 01 12:30:47 Is it noob day? Sep 01 12:30:49 I want to make a pocket qt-assistant Sep 01 12:30:52 :) Sep 01 12:31:59 anyway, ./configure just return 'Don't seem you have make or gmake' Sep 01 12:32:20 though I do, it's a qole SDK image chrootedd Sep 01 12:32:34 dunt understand Sep 01 12:32:58 crashanddie: \o/ noob day \o/ Sep 01 12:33:59 NO where is the GTFO for nitdroid stuff? Sep 01 12:36:56 chem|st: javispedro thought it might be worth nuking it Sep 01 12:38:12 then 3 days later there was xxxxts, with "why doesn't uBoot boot my meego I changed to coexist with multiboot and andridiot? HPL PLZ!!1!1!" Sep 01 12:38:12 DocScrutinizer: ? Sep 01 12:39:13 I survived #maemo and all I got was Sep 01 12:39:18 ~maemo-multiboot Sep 01 12:39:19 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Sep 01 12:40:07 tbh, when in amsterdam for the maemo summit, when Quim started handing out the t-shirts to the QA/bugs guys? Sep 01 12:40:20 with the "fixed in fremantle" on it? Sep 01 12:40:34 I wanted to go out and print another t-shirt: Sep 01 12:40:46 "I helped Nokia fix their OS and all I got was this shite t-shirt" Sep 01 12:40:59 2011-08-28 04:43:14 DocScrutinizer sets topic to.... Sep 01 12:41:12 crashanddie: you got a t-shirt too? Sep 01 12:41:29 Nein Sep 01 12:42:55 I got a suite up ovi shirt for alpha testing ovi suite Sep 01 12:43:17 But then again, the t-shirt was nice Sep 01 12:43:32 lcuk had his finger butchered at Nokia HQ Sep 01 12:43:52 "We'll give you a touch-driven device, but we'll take your finger in exchange." Sep 01 12:44:06 hehe Sep 01 12:44:56 not butchered, augmented Sep 01 12:45:33 they installed their patented happiness generator there, so lcuk only needs to suck on his finger to get happy now! Sep 01 12:45:58 I'd have it installed somewhere else Sep 01 12:46:11 "C'mon hon, just do it and we'll both feel happy" Sep 01 12:46:20 crashanddie: wouldn't it be awfully difficult to reach though? Sep 01 12:46:38 that's the whole point, I wouldn't be reaching for it :P Sep 01 12:46:40 i only notice my finger now when making a coffee Sep 01 12:46:59 your finger is able to produce coffee? Sep 01 12:47:03 That's an odd side effect Sep 01 12:47:15 no but picking up the sugar jar is noticable Sep 01 12:47:44 otherwise having a stylus implanted was a good thing Sep 01 12:48:26 * DocScrutinizer just noticed PR1.2 HAM is completely fscked up now Sep 01 12:48:43 *just* noticed? Sep 01 12:48:54 well, *completely* Sep 01 12:49:06 I stopped using it, too slow Sep 01 12:49:15 especially after moving indices to the sd card Sep 01 12:49:22 not sd, mmc, sorry Sep 01 12:49:59 RST38h, compounded by -devel repositories including every build ever Sep 01 12:51:16 that too Sep 01 12:51:26 But X-Fade is the person to take care of this Sep 01 12:51:39 I wonder why he is not cleaning things up Sep 01 12:52:08 probably because he is very busy Sep 01 12:52:10 start HAM [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "downloads" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "all" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], select "search" from menu, add a search string, click "OK" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], you find yourself back to "uninstall|download|update" Sep 01 12:52:25 busy with what? Sep 01 12:52:26 RST38h: It does clean up automatically. Sep 01 12:52:31 DocScrutinizer, this conversation was useful a year ago Sep 01 12:52:37 sure Sep 01 12:52:48 X-Fade: Then what lcuk says is untrue? Sep 01 12:53:00 I just wonder how it could fsckup during the time when PR1.3 was the recent thing Sep 01 12:53:27 RST38h: What did he say? Sep 01 12:53:36 RST38h, the devel repository even if cleaned up still contains a great many items Sep 01 12:54:14 X-Fade: He is saying extras-devel contains every single version of every package ever uploaded Sep 01 12:54:19 Or something ot this effect, anyway Sep 01 12:54:31 RST38h: That is not true. Sep 01 12:54:51 * RST38h checks with a browser, finds that it is INDEED not true Sep 01 12:54:54 RST38h: It only keeps the last 2 or 3 versions. Everything older gets removed. (Except for the sources) Sep 01 12:55:04 RST38h, the advice wrt HAM has always been include only the repositories required Sep 01 12:55:10 and extra ones slow it down muchly Sep 01 12:55:19 lcuk: -devel is required, has been for a long while now Sep 01 12:55:39 The idea of adding things like icons to the Packages file, just doesn't scale. Sep 01 12:55:42 many packages exist exclusively in devel Sep 01 12:56:06 anyway "checking for updates" several times during a session that doesn't install nor uninstall nor update anything, that's truely odd Sep 01 12:56:23 apt-get to the rescue. Sep 01 12:56:42 sure RST38h and it already has workarounds and best case possible but unles you want to modify ham and include in cssu there isn't much that can be done? Sep 01 12:57:05 The problem is the Debian way of presenting repositories. Sep 01 12:57:12 And on top of that HAM ;) Sep 01 12:57:53 In Debian I also see 12MB Packages files, which is just not what you want. Sep 01 12:57:57 X-Fade: what's the issue with "the Debian way of presenting repositories" Sep 01 12:58:31 marmoute: The dependency info should be separate from the actual info you use to browse. Sep 01 12:58:42 marmoute, in an embedded environment the indexes are always going to be non-trivial Sep 01 12:58:43 So it doesn't need to process a huge text file. Sep 01 12:59:03 X-Fade, that is actually a good idea Sep 01 12:59:14 client side beyond the download Sep 01 12:59:17 Maemo package include icons in the index file which is a non-sense Sep 01 12:59:26 process it to generate usable simple tree Sep 01 12:59:26 lcuk: Hence the apps client :) Sep 01 12:59:30 sure Sep 01 12:59:37 marmoute: Yes, but even description, maintainer etc. Sep 01 12:59:58 marmoute: That is all meta data, which should not be processed every time. Sep 01 13:00:09 X-Fade, :D I uploaded a mandelbrot generator to maemo recently Sep 01 13:00:21 after spending the weekend faffing with xfractint on meego Sep 01 13:00:22 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/01/openwave_sues_rim_apple/ Sep 01 13:01:02 lcuk: afaik ham is not open Sep 01 13:01:59 RST38h, happily it is open http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/devel.html Sep 01 13:05:41 lcuk: yoooooo.... Sep 01 13:05:53 Doc: See? Sep 01 13:06:02 Meanwhile: http://www.freep.com/article/20110901/COL04/109010448/Brian-Dickerson-Dick-Cheney-had-prevailed-GM-would-toast Sep 01 13:06:09 What a lovely, pleasant man... Sep 01 13:08:44 RST38h: what? HAM open? I knew, I already had a look at sources and found some rather fishy code around moving forth and back some "last-updated" tag file Sep 01 13:09:49 fix it then Sep 01 13:09:55 I think there's been a dialog between me and iirc javispedro about it on this chan, some weeks/months ago Sep 01 13:12:06 why you think it is idiot to try to get qtdoc build on n900? Sep 01 13:12:39 or maybe I should'nt take the "\o/ Noob day " for myself Sep 01 13:20:02 is there a dev metapackage? libtool deps are "not installable" Sep 01 13:20:17 ive had reasonable luck using debian squeeze armel packages in general. but dev tools sound a bit iffy Sep 01 13:24:13 oh right this Diablo SDK repo Sep 01 13:24:41 hopefully autotools 2005-04-22 int too old Sep 01 13:25:16 maybe it's time i try debian again. running into alot of other issues w/ outdated stuff. git in maemo wouldnt clone from 1.7.6 on arch linux. pulseaudio wont' talk to one in sid/ubuntu anymore over network, etc Sep 01 13:25:29 Nokia is 2nd most insane company behind HP Sep 01 13:26:02 just know if i update pulseaudio to sid's i'll break telephony or something Sep 01 13:26:19 and i go straight Sid on boot i'll rpaobly break GPS, maybe wifi, etc Sep 01 13:26:36 whats the answer. buy a n950 and run Meego? Sep 01 13:27:17 saurik's toolchain on iOS is actualy pretty good. thats proably the best of all worlds. it even has apt-get and gcc and libtool, unlike my poor maemo Sep 01 13:27:35 iphone5 proably in my future:/ Sep 01 13:28:12 * RST38h seriously considering buying a Samsung Note Sep 01 13:28:18 last time i cp -av'd 2.6.28 kernel and modules stuff from Maemo before installing Sid Sep 01 13:28:23 If it is hackable and reasonably cheap of course Sep 01 13:28:27 and that mostly worked, but of course all the telephony and a few drivers / firmwares were fubar Sep 01 13:28:51 Maemo is pretty much perfection. X, GTK. debian-based Sep 01 13:29:46 that battery charging i2c script on pancake's site was screwy too Sep 01 13:30:02 and copying bme-5.1 util or wahtever and LD_LIBRARY's its maemo deps acted odd as well. tho it generally Sep 01 13:30:09 sorta made the lights flash more in line with what maemo does Sep 01 13:31:26 * erb wonders about Rasterman's Samsung X/DBus/Linux post. by all accoutns Samsung is big on Android, and has BAda for their symbian stuff. Sep 01 13:31:42 maybe theyre planning on replacing BAda eventually, and coming up with a N900/Openmoko replacement worthy of the title Sep 01 13:31:56 RST38h: I guess it was around http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline/blobs/master/src/user_files.c#line51 Sep 01 13:31:57 imo theyre just keeping it as some 3rd of 4th-tier back-burner option Sep 01 13:32:44 Doc: I remember people loudly bitchign about HAM being closed Sep 01 13:32:51 not any more, apparently Sep 01 13:34:15 Doc: could you humor me by telling the firmware version in your n950? Sep 01 13:34:30 someone is asking me about it, but I do not have n950 handy Sep 01 13:38:40 checked in n900 Sep 01 13:38:45 got a n8 back Sep 01 13:38:47 iwillnotreadgalaxynotereviews ... iwillnotreadgalaxynotereviews ...iwillnotreadgalaxynotereviews ... Sep 01 13:38:55 argued... Sep 01 13:39:01 got an e7 Sep 01 13:39:11 that sucka is going sstrait on ebay. Sep 01 13:39:17 vi: argued some more... got a suggestion to screw yourself? Sep 01 13:39:38 BTW, I have seen a new N900 in a store yesterday. RUR13000 Sep 01 13:39:41 No, i stopped at e7 Sep 01 13:40:01 Im just going to sell it for monies and cut my losses. Sep 01 13:40:07 vi: Do upgrade to Anna, at least. E7 is not a bad phone. Sep 01 13:40:35 RST38h: BRO! I still have my BACKUP N900! Sep 01 13:40:47 vi: hehe :) Sep 01 13:41:57 I was tempted, but then I considered the lack of flexibility of phone OS'es Sep 01 13:42:08 I cannot go back Sep 01 13:42:35 I need vim, xterm, sed, awk and grep to get me through the day. Sep 01 13:43:38 vi__: fair enough Sep 01 13:44:10 true find-utils Sep 01 13:44:28 ~messybox Sep 01 13:44:28 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Sep 01 13:45:05 ...so you wrote that BB summary then? Sep 01 13:45:15 I in fact quite like busybox Sep 01 13:45:19 RST38h: firmware version of N950? WTF? how an I supposed to know? Sep 01 13:45:36 and have enjoyed finding ways to overcome 'ash's shortcomings Sep 01 13:45:36 GHC merged ARM support. i'll port my bash scripts to hs Sep 01 13:45:58 So you all happy with your N950s then? Sep 01 13:46:16 is it's flash fast? basic IO operations are 10-100x faster on ipad than n900 Sep 01 13:46:18 Coding away for no-one without pesky users to hold you back with gay complaints about... Sep 01 13:46:20 haven't touched it for days Sep 01 13:46:30 gui's and 'features' Sep 01 13:46:54 yoh javispedro Sep 01 13:47:00 morning Sep 01 13:47:25 what's been that weird nonsense about HAM looking for an old "last-updated" tag file? Sep 01 13:47:37 do you recall? Sep 01 13:47:43 DocScrutinizer: why is everyone so excited about extending the range of the FM transmitter down to 76MHz when practically no-one has a receiver for that frequency? Sep 01 13:47:59 vi__: eh? Sep 01 13:48:04 DocScrutinizer: that's for automatic background apt-get update aka update checking Sep 01 13:48:05 every mp3 player has a 'Japan' locale setting which does 76-90 Sep 01 13:48:11 who's excited, where, and on which platform? Sep 01 13:48:14 any japan made shortwave / fm radio has it too Sep 01 13:48:24 n900 can do all frequencies Sep 01 13:48:24 any chinese-made shortwave radio as well really, Tecsun / Degen stuff Sep 01 13:48:30 with my modifications Sep 01 13:48:34 Wow, that is cool...for japan. Sep 01 13:48:41 not exactly Sep 01 13:48:43 vi__: yeah, listen to jacekowski Sep 01 13:49:33 that Silabs chip does 64-108 i think Sep 01 13:49:43 erb: you got an ipad? Sep 01 13:49:50 old russian recievers can rx that band Sep 01 13:50:03 have used an ipad Sep 01 13:50:10 basic ops like.. apt-get update are SOooo much faster on it Sep 01 13:50:23 i dono if its ext2, a bad flash driver, or just slow flash, but n900 is basucaly unusable Sep 01 13:50:26 javispedro: ooh! I just have PR1.2(!) HAM acting up doing "checking for updates" like on every second click Sep 01 13:50:37 erb: you are doing something wrong Sep 01 13:50:38 vi__: lot of radios can do 87MHz or so Sep 01 13:50:39 apt-get upgrade takes like 5 hours to run and n900 overheats Sep 01 13:50:42 DocScrutinizer: that's not background :) Sep 01 13:50:46 Is there a good sound spectrum analyser/oscilloscope that exists/can be easily proted to maemo? Sep 01 13:50:48 yup Sep 01 13:50:48 vi__: but nobody transmists on that frequencies Sep 01 13:50:50 DocScrutinizer: and I think that's standard behaviour Sep 01 13:50:58 not THAT way Sep 01 13:51:14 chem|st: i even didnt use loopback fs in a file its right on dev/mmc0blk0 or wahtever Sep 01 13:51:18 erb: application manager is slow yes, apt-get update is as slow or as fast as with my desktop.. Sep 01 13:51:23 hrm Sep 01 13:51:34 start HAM [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "downloads" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "all" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], select "search" from menu, add a search string, click "OK" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], you find yourself back to "uninstall|download|update" Sep 01 13:51:44 chem|st: on maemo it is ok. im talking in a chroot or booted into debian Sep 01 13:52:13 which, if maemo wasnt basically 'abandoned' and if nokia got over proprietary firmwares/drivers and gave everything to vanilla, wouldnt be a prob cuz i could jsut use Sid. but hey, world aint perfect.. Sep 01 13:52:21 erb: you are nuts Sep 01 13:52:38 well, FS operaetions are *really* slow in a Chroot or booted into sid. i wish i knew why Sep 01 13:52:44 just beacuse you doesnt experience it doesnt make me nuts Sep 01 13:53:19 im thinking sid picks the wrong driver for the device, some sort of generic IDE vs DMA-accel UDMA66 type eal that used to happen on desktops Sep 01 13:53:27 and chroot proably just introduces syscall overhead Sep 01 13:54:16 erb: apt-get upgrade is DEPRECATED and notorious to break your system anyway Sep 01 13:54:22 not dist-upgrade Sep 01 13:54:26 really apt-get upgrade is deprecated? wow Sep 01 13:54:27 erb: or just that a "normal" install of debian is so much bloat you would experience the same on any 1998 desktop... Sep 01 13:54:32 so use the GUI package manager only? Sep 01 13:58:26 erb: first of all apt-get doesn't know how to move the temporary and database files to some sane location, where "sane" means eMMC where's just enough free space. So apt-get upgrade is likely to just fail on out-of-storage AIUI Sep 01 13:59:14 rm_work: here? Sep 01 13:59:37 RST38h: there Sep 01 13:59:43 4.72s for untar 23.7mb archive of 1094 files on Maemo, 0.2s on ipad Sep 01 13:59:51 rm_work: looks like that nokia repo does not index Sep 01 13:59:51 only 25x slower Sep 01 14:00:09 rm_work: probably needs harmattan/sdk for path Sep 01 14:00:10 :( Sep 01 14:00:18 hrm Sep 01 14:01:02 rm_work: see full list here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos Sep 01 14:01:14 it has the correct deb line for harmattan-dev among other things Sep 01 14:02:25 trying Sep 01 14:03:10 still not working Sep 01 14:03:21 can't get to it in a browser either... Sep 01 14:03:34 what a mess...ok, let us see... Sep 01 14:04:49 rm_work: replace harmattan/sdk with harmattan-beta, see if it works Sep 01 14:05:11 nope Sep 01 14:05:13 i mean Sep 01 14:05:19 if you can get me a path that works in the browser Sep 01 14:05:21 i can make it work Sep 01 14:05:25 otherwise... :/ Sep 01 14:05:54 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/ works in the browser Sep 01 14:08:04 how does apt manage to access it??? Sep 01 14:09:15 what's "harmattan"? ;-P Sep 01 14:09:55 might that be related to #harmattan ? Sep 01 14:11:30 RST38h: traditionally on Maemo apt has been patched to send some hardcoded HTTP credentials Sep 01 14:11:42 no idea if that's still the case, but I wouldn't be surprised Sep 01 14:12:32 possible... Sep 01 14:12:50 in any case, I am unable to find Packages.gz or even /dists/ dir on harmattan-dev.nokia.com Sep 01 14:12:55 Weird stuff Sep 01 14:13:22 hm Sep 01 14:13:27 yeah i still don't know if this is doable Sep 01 14:13:31 sorry RST38h :/ Sep 01 14:13:36 i mean, i know it IS doable somehow Sep 01 14:13:40 but not this easily Sep 01 14:13:43 you could grab the files from your device Sep 01 14:13:47 Hi there, i am trying to play mp4 video files on my n900 but cant get the right package to do that, any hints ? Sep 01 14:13:49 (I mean the Packages.gz) Sep 01 14:13:55 and upload them to packrat once Sep 01 14:14:01 I mean, they're not going to change much :) Sep 01 14:14:15 javispedro: it clears the entire db every update Sep 01 14:14:18 it's not doing deltas Sep 01 14:14:33 i guess i could hack it up... Sep 01 14:14:42 rm_work: file:// URI ? ;) Sep 01 14:14:51 hrm Sep 01 14:15:02 i don't think it'd work Sep 01 14:15:10 without major code hacks Sep 01 14:15:15 ah well :( Sep 01 14:15:17 it'd still be looking in the wrong spot Sep 01 14:16:14 massoud: i'm sure mplayer could do it Sep 01 14:16:18 massoud: it depends on codecs Sep 01 14:16:26 massoud: n900 can play only one type of h264 Sep 01 14:16:26 ^^^^ this Sep 01 14:16:35 massoud: and if it doesn't work then it won't work Sep 01 14:16:39 well, the first bit, not the second Sep 01 14:16:49 since mplayer will play anything basically :P Sep 01 14:17:05 but it does depend on codecs if you want it to work in the builtin media player Sep 01 14:17:14 did n900 have hardware decoding support for h264? Sep 01 14:17:18 yes Sep 01 14:17:24 otherwise it will be a slideshow Sep 01 14:17:25 wow, i was thoroughly unaware of that Sep 01 14:17:36 i encoded all my videos with xvid Sep 01 14:17:38 n900 can't even play normal xvid Sep 01 14:17:38 and they worked fine Sep 01 14:17:43 in software Sep 01 14:17:48 err Sep 01 14:17:50 it's all done using hardware decoders Sep 01 14:17:52 it does though Sep 01 14:18:06 using dedicated hardware decoder Sep 01 14:18:17 i used mplayer Sep 01 14:18:21 so? Sep 01 14:18:31 so mplayer does it all in software Sep 01 14:18:33 mplayer for n900 can use hardware decoders Sep 01 14:18:40 not AFAIK Sep 01 14:18:47 DocScrutinizer, ping Sep 01 14:18:53 rm_work: it can Sep 01 14:18:54 pong Sep 01 14:19:05 wazzup? Sep 01 14:19:20 mplayer shouldn't even know about the hardware decoders Sep 01 14:19:25 unless someone wrote a patch for it Sep 01 14:19:47 rm_work: exactly Sep 01 14:20:15 rm_work: http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/wiki/Troubleshooting Sep 01 14:20:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Media_Support Sep 01 14:20:51 rm_work: anything not on that list is not hardware accelrated and all you will get is a slideshow Sep 01 14:21:05 hmm Sep 01 14:21:10 some stuff on that list is not accelerated Sep 01 14:21:27 err, what does this have to do with mplayer? Sep 01 14:21:39 rm_work: mplayer is using same codecs Sep 01 14:21:41 or is it just so i have a list of what hardware decoder supports Sep 01 14:21:58 mplayer uses codecs from ffmpeg trunk Sep 01 14:22:02 yeah Sep 01 14:22:03 libavc Sep 01 14:22:21 * javispedro sighs at a firefox bug that causes it some times to send a HTTP header saying my language is "chr" (aka Cherokee) Sep 01 14:22:28 and ffmpeg has support for hardware acceleration on arm Sep 01 14:22:44 hrm Sep 01 14:22:51 so you're saying this should work OOTB? Sep 01 14:23:01 if i compile mplayer/ffmpeg from svn/git Sep 01 14:23:05 it should just work? Sep 01 14:23:29 yes Sep 01 14:23:34 ooookkk... Sep 01 14:23:35 because i can verify 100% that isn't true :P Sep 01 14:23:36 ffmpeg does neon only Sep 01 14:23:57 aiui it does not use the omap ImagVideoAccelerator for anything Sep 01 14:24:35 the tests i ran on my own compiled versions of ffmpeg/mplayer show it using CPU for decoding Sep 01 14:24:52 maybe i didn't have the codecs quite right on the videos? :/\ Sep 01 14:24:57 it's possible Sep 01 14:25:30 cherokee - BWAHAHA Sep 01 14:25:30 unfortunately the only platform i have recent data for is N950 Sep 01 14:25:46 on N950, it DEFINITELY doesn't use hardware decoders in mplayer Sep 01 14:27:26 on N950 you'll DEFINITELY have to argue with aegis why you dare to even ask for hw accel access ;-P Sep 01 14:27:32 same video file runs at ~20% CPU total on hires x264, and in mplayer it's pegging the CPU at 100 Sep 01 14:28:05 good point DocScrutinizer, maybe it COULD use the hw accel, but aegis is blocking it because i didn't set up the mplayer package right Sep 01 14:28:21 i wonder... Sep 01 14:28:34 you can tell what it tries to access in one of the logs right? Sep 01 14:28:38 syslog or dmesg or something? Sep 01 14:28:52 should tell sth Sep 01 14:28:57 yup Sep 01 14:29:05 which one Sep 01 14:29:12 aegis likes to mutter some cryptic shit to syslog Sep 01 14:29:32 DocScrutinizer: best part about that firefox bug is getting the google page in cherokee -- one of the few sites that seems to actually have a chr version Sep 01 14:30:13 \o/ Sep 01 14:30:20 on the good side, this bug is probably skewing someone's www statistics with a rather large number of ... cherokee speakers... Sep 01 14:30:29 I darn would like to see that :-D Sep 01 14:31:03 www.gogle.chr ? Sep 01 14:31:09 google even Sep 01 14:31:25 DocScrutinizer: you can force it to chr via preferences Sep 01 14:31:41 DocScrutinizer: note: I do not know how "English" is written in Cherokee. Sep 01 14:32:04 ^^ Sep 01 14:32:20 therefore, when this bug is triggered, I cannot go back to English.. Sep 01 14:32:29 would a LANG=CHR_chr do? Sep 01 14:32:30 all I can do is clear cookies, close sessions, and restart browser Sep 01 14:32:34 DocScrutinizer: maybe Sep 01 14:32:57 incidentally they say the root cause of this bug is that the word "chrome" as in "chrome:///blablabla" starts with "chr". Sep 01 14:33:14 s/root cause/cause Sep 01 14:36:55 interesting Sep 01 14:37:04 mplayer *is* failing some Aegis cred checks Sep 01 14:37:53 toldya Sep 01 14:38:04 how do i fix that Sep 01 14:38:19 anyway I guess you'd see better support/comments on that in #harmattan Sep 01 14:38:28 right Sep 01 14:44:20 hey there room Sep 01 14:44:27 got a question to ask Sep 01 14:44:46 does n900 support windows ? Sep 01 14:44:50 no Sep 01 14:44:54 it's ARM Sep 01 14:45:01 windows doesn't run on ARM Sep 01 14:45:10 hahaha Sep 01 14:45:10 win8 runs on ARM i think Sep 01 14:45:14 and Win Mobile Sep 01 14:45:28 that's different thing Sep 01 14:45:35 and win8 is not even released yet Sep 01 14:45:49 WinNT ran on PPC, MIPS, Alpha.. Sep 01 14:45:52 proably ARM too Sep 01 14:45:59 back in 90s you could find CD images of it on usenet Sep 01 14:47:01 wikpiedia still lists those arches on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Windows_NT (no ARM tho) Sep 01 14:47:47 virtualbox run on maemo? Sep 01 14:47:58 erb: no Sep 01 14:48:04 erb: virtualbox is x86 only Sep 01 14:49:42 hey thanks for your work on chromium btw Sep 01 14:49:51 and.. that FM hack. which seemed to break for me and get "stuck" on 76 Sep 01 14:50:18 nobody else had that problem Sep 01 14:50:26 proably an upgrade overwrote a module or so Sep 01 14:50:27 no big deal Sep 01 14:50:39 there are two different versions Sep 01 14:50:43 one for 1.2 and other one for 1.3 Sep 01 14:50:51 1.2 uses modified kernel module Sep 01 14:50:57 1.3 is just replacing fmtxd Sep 01 14:50:59 ah Sep 01 14:51:20 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 Sep 01 14:51:24 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD Sep 01 14:51:39 i added http://maemo.jacekowski.org but don't see it Sep 01 14:51:46 to /etc/apt/sources.list Sep 01 14:51:55 it was never packaged Sep 01 14:53:24 hey any clue whr i can learn a bit about arm architecture? Sep 01 14:53:53 arm.co Sep 01 14:53:56 .com Sep 01 14:54:01 http://arm.com/ Sep 01 14:55:04 jacekowski: just replace the binary and go? Sep 01 14:57:45 yeah Sep 01 15:02:07 "unable to use FM transmitter" unless i leave it at 76 Sep 01 15:02:13 which works fine, cuz i have a 76mhz capable reciever, but weird Sep 01 15:07:09 fmtxd: ERROR: Failed to get the primary well-known name. (RequestName result != 1) Sep 01 15:07:22 hmm, do you have fmtx faker? Sep 01 15:07:26 or something like that Sep 01 15:07:29 or other fmtxd running Sep 01 15:07:39 nope Sep 01 15:07:44 i tried adding an /etc/hosts entry Sep 01 15:07:49 cuz what else would well-known name mean Sep 01 15:08:03 it's dbus thing Sep 01 15:08:09 iirc Sep 01 15:09:10 is it hard to make widgets? :p Sep 01 15:09:20 made a bash script and i'd like to widgetify that Sep 01 15:09:40 Desktop Command Execution Widget Sep 01 15:09:42 if i twiddle the CP (set 76.7 ) it errors but fmtxd stays running, cuusing that error Sep 01 15:09:47 and it's running on 76 just fine Sep 01 15:10:02 chem|st: right, i'll see into that Sep 01 15:13:26 jacekowski: anything else regarding problems? I have the boost installed and use one of the widgets to start and tune Sep 01 15:13:45 bup: it's dbus thing Sep 01 15:13:47 have no stereo to test atm Sep 01 15:14:06 2 diff errors though Sep 01 15:14:18 primary well-known was if already running Sep 01 15:14:24 "unable to use fmtx" seems unrelated Sep 01 15:14:26 chem|st: you don't need boost with my fmtxd Sep 01 15:14:40 are userspace utils also required, like fmtx-faker? Sep 01 15:14:44 bup: no Sep 01 15:14:58 bup: there is commandline fmtx client Sep 01 15:15:07 check what exact error is that going to give you w Sep 01 15:15:15 when you try to set it to 100MHz or so Sep 01 15:15:47 jacekowski: but it wont collapse with it will it? Sep 01 15:15:50 fmtx_client: ERROR: Unable to set frequency (Frequency is not currently allowed) Sep 01 15:15:56 it throw that on anything besides 76000 Sep 01 15:16:12 er above 88000 Sep 01 15:16:13 jacekowski: have you experienced a range extend with headphones in? Sep 01 15:16:15 i guess thats a "Feature" Sep 01 15:16:24 you realize the SILabs chip can do 64-76 yoo Sep 01 15:17:02 i experienced best range around 88 MHz, but in theory silabs has a varactor that tunes internal transmit loop on other frequencies Sep 01 15:17:36 magloops dont require a groundplane to get best transmit performance Sep 01 15:17:39 like say a 1/4w vertical Sep 01 15:18:01 (so headphones plugged in praobly doesnt help much) Sep 01 15:18:25 chem|st: not really Sep 01 15:18:37 bup: hmmmm Sep 01 15:18:53 bup: if you go to /sys Sep 01 15:19:01 bup: and then find folder where fmtxd parameters are Sep 01 15:19:04 jacekowski: it allows even numbers. 88200 is ok, 88100 isnt Sep 01 15:19:05 weird Sep 01 15:19:14 well, 200khz steps starting on 000 Sep 01 15:19:23 step is set 0.2 Sep 01 15:19:29 hmmm Sep 01 15:19:41 all my recievers are analog Sep 01 15:19:43 so tuning to 88200 is just fine Sep 01 15:19:58 the problem is the GUI only ddisplayed odd numbered 0.1 0.3 stuff Sep 01 15:20:13 so none of them worked except 76.0 cuz thats even and the default Sep 01 15:21:22 /sys/bus/i2c/devices/2-0063/ Sep 01 15:21:24 tat folder Sep 01 15:21:28 that* Sep 01 15:21:39 there should be file called region in there Sep 01 15:21:41 what does it say Sep 01 15:21:44 and some other ifles Sep 01 15:21:44 4 Sep 01 15:21:50 like max and min frequency Sep 01 15:21:52 what does it say there Sep 01 15:22:44 freq_max Sep 01 15:23:10 region_bottom_frequency 76000 top 108000 spacing 100 Sep 01 15:23:23 hmmmmmm Sep 01 15:23:28 then you are doing something wrong Sep 01 15:23:31 haha Sep 01 15:23:41 have you replaced correct file? Sep 01 15:23:48 mv fmtxd1.3 /usr/sbin/fmtxd Sep 01 15:24:04 have you killed currently running fmtxd? Sep 01 15:24:11 yes Sep 01 15:24:11 or restarted phone Sep 01 15:24:15 restarted??? Sep 01 15:24:24 i said or Sep 01 15:24:28 ok Sep 01 15:24:32 hmm Sep 01 15:24:35 it has to work Sep 01 15:24:56 it works fine, so long as the freq is divisible by 200 Sep 01 15:25:00 and imf ine with that, so nevermind Sep 01 15:25:10 that's strange Sep 01 15:25:23 because fmtxd should read these numbers from sys nodes Sep 01 15:25:30 unless Sep 01 15:25:37 cat /sys/bus/i2c/devices/2-0063/lock Sep 01 15:25:41 what does it say Sep 01 15:25:43 0 Sep 01 15:25:56 hmmmmmmmm Sep 01 15:26:00 it has to work Sep 01 15:26:59 thank goodnesss for analog radios Sep 01 15:37:18 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/region_channel_spacing = 100, but fmtx_client claims 200, starting at 76000. and start freq is read-only, so i can't echo 76100 Sep 01 15:37:35 thanks for helping me find the bug anwyays Sep 01 15:37:59 now i can go back to binary-diffing fmtxd1.3 or looking for the source code Sep 01 15:38:32 alternately i could hack the GUI to not display odd-numbered freqs Sep 01 15:51:11 my facebook account is temporarily blocked ...can someone pls help!!!! Sep 01 15:51:24 :( Sep 01 15:52:00 is this channel #facebook ? Sep 01 15:52:25 saberclaw, gtfo Sep 01 15:52:44 ohhh oohh ohhh...thanks mate Sep 01 15:52:47 sorry to bother you Sep 01 15:52:54 np, anytime Sep 01 15:54:52 noob day ? Sep 01 15:55:06 Khertan, on a eu un grand nombre de boulays. Sep 01 15:55:19 hello all Sep 01 15:55:25 hehe Sep 01 15:55:39 Hey Khertan :) Sep 01 15:56:54 crashanddie, evite sfr a tout prix si tu veux utiliser un smartphone Sep 01 15:57:19 ha ? Sep 01 15:57:19 merde Sep 01 15:57:22 Khertan, ce sont mes clients ;) Sep 01 15:58:06 mdr Sep 01 15:58:42 filtrer les tar gz Sep 01 15:58:42 pas d apt ni de store Sep 01 15:58:43 et les request faite en qml en 403 Sep 01 15:59:05 joli le proxy transparent Sep 01 15:59:18 yeah, they're not the nicest bunch Sep 01 15:59:43 which is why, even though we had a massive discount for the company, with us having them as customers, we went for Bouygues... Sep 01 15:59:50 and no tun kernel module on harmattan so no vpn Sep 01 16:00:09 entering metro Sep 01 16:00:30 connection will probably drop Sep 01 16:02:16 finally took my damn n900 in to get the usb port fixed Sep 01 16:02:19 heh Sep 01 16:02:42 Khertan: ils ont tous des proxies transparents non ? Sep 01 16:02:52 maybe i'll try meego on it Sep 01 16:03:03 i try to test meego out every 3 months or so :) Sep 01 16:10:49 Meanwhile: FEMA Determines How Bad a Hurricane Is By Checking if The Waffle House Is Open Sep 01 16:16:32 lolwut Sep 01 16:16:58 holistic approach? Sep 01 16:38:47 RST38h: haha Sep 01 16:51:56 re Sep 01 17:06:48 ohnoes Sep 01 17:06:54 google already starting world domination Sep 01 17:07:32 the replacement for the gears thingie which was OSS, and allow offline gmail in many browsers is replaced by some chrome-only crap available in webstore Sep 01 17:08:41 * javispedro gives up trying to figure the RE that would fix the previous sentence grammar. Sep 01 17:08:43 what did they do this time ? Sep 01 17:08:47 IMAP Sep 01 17:10:31 when killing gears they'd used as excuse that "HTML5 had all of the gears features plus more" Sep 01 17:12:06 now it turns out that no, only Chrome cuts it. Sep 01 17:13:28 yep and they kill it because it was kinda slow, use many network ressources, and was buggy Sep 01 17:13:28 ~ping Sep 01 17:13:29 ~pong Sep 01 17:14:00 and worked on even less platforms than flash :/ Sep 01 17:15:35 slonopotamus: nah Sep 01 17:15:39 gears was open Sep 01 17:15:44 it was even ported to Diablo Sep 01 17:17:00 and it worked quite well for even some 2GiB.. Sep 01 17:17:17 (albeit horribly slow) Sep 01 19:11:51 hi all Sep 01 19:12:32 someone know what file I need to edit to activate a kernel module compilation for the N900 kernel ? Sep 01 19:16:27 Creteil, in a nutshell: Inside scratchbox, download the source ; make rx51_defconfig, edit the resulting .config and activate it there (=M)... Sep 01 19:19:27 NIN101, ok, but I want it to be definitive, so what file I need to add in quilt add 'file' ? Sep 01 19:20:52 Creteil: I don't know anything about quilt. Sep 01 19:21:18 ok Sep 01 19:29:46 hello Sep 01 19:31:03 im having problems with wargus Sep 01 19:31:13 i have the data files on root Sep 01 19:31:26 but the extracting keeps failing Sep 01 19:31:40 so i cannot into warcraft 2 im afraid Sep 01 19:33:43 argh Sep 01 19:33:44 damnit Sep 01 19:33:53 the people at the phone repair shop said the port wasn't the right one Sep 01 19:33:54 wtf Sep 01 19:33:59 it looked exactly the same Sep 01 19:34:07 i think they just are unable to solder it on Sep 01 19:34:11 just as i was Sep 01 19:34:30 fking lame... does anybody know where i can get a for sure proper port for the n900.. a replacement usb port? Sep 01 19:35:06 selling n900 usb ports 299 dollur each Sep 01 19:35:28 i drive a hard bargain Sep 01 20:33:18 one might as well just buy a new phone Sep 01 20:33:26 damn Sep 01 20:33:44 where under make menuconfig I can access staging drivers ??? Sep 01 20:34:47 Device Drivers -> Staging drivers usually Sep 01 20:36:50 why I can't see staging drivers options for the n900 kernel ? Sep 01 20:38:29 Macer: there've been offers at fleabay Sep 01 20:39:22 Creteil: maybe because the concept of staging is missing in maemo? Sep 01 20:50:13 there's an issue i have noticed with h-e-n. bq27200.sh will show me an average of less than 10mA idle current draw before activating h-e-n, and no less than 30mA afterwards. Sep 01 20:51:07 Sicelo: err yup, possible. Sep 01 20:51:22 That's the quescant cunt of the boost converter. Sep 01 20:51:28 Quiescent current Sep 01 20:51:35 Expected. Sep 01 20:51:48 there's a problem with friggin musb_hdrc not entering powerdown state properly Sep 01 20:52:06 Oh - you mean after disbaling boost? Sep 01 20:52:16 yeah SpeedEvil Sep 01 20:52:23 if however you speak about time during h-e-n active then SpeedEvil is right Sep 01 20:52:25 ah Sep 01 20:52:45 and cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc seem fine afterwards Sep 01 20:53:14 Sicelo: there's some "trick" how to fix it, ask ShadowJK about echo foo >/sys/*/usb/state Sep 01 20:53:41 also connecting and removing a charger should probably fix it Sep 01 20:54:15 let me try a charger :) Sep 01 20:54:19 h-e-n is not yet perfect, and your feedback actually highly appreciated Sep 01 20:54:22 the thing I "fix" in cvhrge script is 80mA of powerdraq state consumed 80mA Sep 01 20:54:30 powerdrasgtrf Sep 01 20:55:43 the thing I "fix" in charge script is 80mA of powerdraw Sep 01 20:56:00 another idea might be to repeatedly stop & start bme. Also cat /sys/*/usb/charger may fix that Sep 01 20:56:52 in original hostmode kernel we could have controled it via some echo s >mode Sep 01 20:57:09 to suspend USB controller Sep 01 20:57:29 alas these nice debug commands got optimized out by paul Sep 01 20:58:48 bloat them back in ? :) Sep 01 20:59:39 the charger 'fix' works ;) Sep 01 21:09:00 :-D Sep 01 21:09:38 Sicelo: *many* thanks for this really valuable feedback and info Sep 01 21:10:11 * DocScrutinizer grabs a postit and makes notice about looking into it Sep 01 21:10:46 should be fixable without actual charger, just making N900 thing there was some Sep 01 21:10:49 yw. i'm indebted to you all. :) Sep 01 21:10:54 think* Sep 01 21:11:32 if you want you may test "booston; sleep 5; boostoff" Sep 01 21:11:53 *without* stopping bme Sep 01 21:12:22 worst thing that could happen: need to reboot Sep 01 21:12:36 optimal outcome: fixes the issue Sep 01 21:12:48 ok. where is the booston script on a default install of h-e-n? Sep 01 21:12:58 errrr Sep 01 21:13:18 find /opt -name 'boost*' Sep 01 21:13:28 :/ i'll look at ps ... Sep 01 21:13:32 find /usr -name 'boost*' Sep 01 21:13:34 ok.. yeah :P Sep 01 21:14:48 probably will pop up a silly requester about ass rage and PCsuit mode Sep 01 21:15:55 * DocScrutinizer idly wnders why booston isn't in $PATH on a standard install Sep 01 21:16:52 ShadowJK: what are you doing to stop those 80mA drain? Sep 01 21:17:27 I think it's exactly the same root cause Sep 01 21:18:40 echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/connec Sep 01 21:18:48 * Sep 01 21:18:55 :-) Sep 01 21:19:13 doesn't work if PC Suite mode has been activated, and similar conditions Sep 01 21:19:27 :nod: Sep 01 21:19:42 USB contoller not suspending Sep 01 21:20:14 there are like 3 power domains on musb, all need some care to power down properly Sep 01 21:20:38 cpu interface, musb core, ULPI Sep 01 21:21:26 if all 3 are active, you prolly see 80mA drain, if only 2 or one is active yu see less Sep 01 21:22:36 costs me some tens of hours datasheet reading, to wrap my head around that heap of weirdness in musb Sep 01 21:24:10 Sicelo: looking forward t your further reporting Sep 01 21:25:58 i'll do it for sure :) within the next 24 hours, as it's bedtime for me ;) Sep 01 21:28:02 Sicelo: I'd appreciate most if you could post to tmo h-e-n thread Sep 01 21:28:20 just a very terse note Sep 01 21:28:47 so it won't get lost, and your contribution is properly attributed Sep 01 21:32:42 DocScrutinizer: nice one on the camera fake reboot Sep 01 21:33:56 :-D Sep 01 21:35:12 "you ruined it BASTARD!!!" ;-P Sep 01 22:18:11 Is there a log where I can see the output from login attempts on the sip client for the n900? Sep 01 22:21:42 errr I guess no Sep 01 22:21:55 ot per default Sep 01 22:21:58 not* Sep 01 22:22:20 bummer, I can't get the sip client to login to our asterisk server. Sep 01 22:22:57 wireshark should help a lot Sep 02 00:52:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbDXDT7Ykzg&feature=share Virtual lap of the new Baltimore Grand Prix Circuit Sep 02 00:56:36 IndyCar is so boring. Sep 02 02:09:59 damn **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 02 02:59:57 2011