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Sep 05 06:16:48 <xkr47> hello
Sep 05 06:17:15 <xkr47> if backup&restore fails to import my old sms:es, could I just copy-paste the ~/.rtcom-eventloggers/ subdirectory and that'd be it ?
Sep 05 06:51:40 <chem|st> xkr47: usualy yes but never tried that, with backup&restore you mean the "is-shipped-with" backup program?
Sep 05 06:51:48 <xkr47> yes
Sep 05 06:51:58 <xkr47> it just gives unknown error, tried several times
Sep 05 06:52:32 <xkr47> I wonder if there is some non-standard communications app that is not installed in the target device, and the restore fails to handle that situation properly
Sep 05 06:52:42 <xkr47> but I'm just guessing wildly because I don't know
Sep 05 06:53:00 <xkr47> I'm now reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_backup_and_restore to see if I could understand things a bit better, or manually restore stuff
Sep 05 06:53:55 <xkr47> are there other files related to sms:es than the rtcom-eventloggers tree ?
Sep 05 06:55:57 <chem|st> honestly I don't know!
Sep 05 06:55:58 <chem|st> BUT
Sep 05 06:56:34 <chem|st> I had a similar problem and afair it fixed itself by installing the other things to the device
Sep 05 07:00:09 <xkr47> ok thx
Sep 05 07:00:29 <xkr47> there was some python-gobject package that couldn't be restored as part of restore process, and several apps depended on that
Sep 05 07:01:18 <chem|st> afaik there is no python IM I use...
Sep 05 07:05:59 <xkr47> I have "witter"
Sep 05 07:06:11 <xkr47> maybe I could uninstall it in the source device and make a new backup also
Sep 05 07:06:35 <xkr47> hmm, apt-get install python-gobject says it's already installed
Sep 05 07:09:47 <chem|st> xkr47: you flashed?
Sep 05 07:10:00 <xkr47> I have two n900:s
Sep 05 07:10:05 <xkr47> and I need to give my old one away
Sep 05 07:10:11 <chem|st> ah
Sep 05 07:10:26 <chem|st> got to run!
Sep 05 07:10:29 <xkr47> but now, it seems these python-gobject apps are installing fine
Sep 05 07:10:31 <xkr47> thx cu
Sep 05 07:12:11 <chem|st> wrong alert, was just the postboy
Sep 05 07:14:18 <chem|st> what I do is: fresh flashed device, recover backup, fire up HAM with only standard repos install from backuprestore function, activate one repo at a time to install the more from extras or e-testing to not have all things pulled in from e-devel (aka b-devil)
Sep 05 07:14:40 <chem|st> and everything works fine apart from my contacts usualy messed up
Sep 05 07:15:05 <chem|st> and I do nothing before that realy nothing ahead
Sep 05 07:55:22 <khertan> Morning
Sep 05 08:00:40 <neal> What's the right way to "top" an application in Maemo 5?
Sep 05 08:02:10 <khertan> top ?
Sep 05 08:02:16 <khertan> increase priority ?
Sep 05 08:02:21 <khertan> man nice
Sep 05 08:03:02 <neal> khertan: I mean something like "osso_application_top"
Sep 05 08:03:49 <neal> https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/libosso/blobs/bb8f89019ada172fbbdf949aa9a13491c0281b14/src/osso-application-top.c
Sep 05 08:04:50 <neal> khertan: Basically, I know an application is running and is "minimized" and I want it to "get the focus"
Sep 05 08:08:41 <khertan> neal: use the raise() method of QtMainWindows
Sep 05 08:09:11 <neal> khertan: I'll take a look, thanks
Sep 05 09:51:41 <crashanddie> 'sup Maemo
Sep 05 09:52:15 <SpeedEvil> Same ol'.
Sep 05 10:12:08 <eichi> pyMaemo seems to be nice for developing applications
Sep 05 10:12:28 <eichi> and the best thing ist, I can develop on the device itself ;) I like that
Sep 05 11:11:03 <Evanescence> how to format N900 card, my card does not support.
Sep 05 11:20:37 <andre__> Evanescence, can you elaborate?
Sep 05 11:20:38 <BCMM> Evanescence: are you talking about the filesystem on a microSD?
Sep 05 11:21:06 <Evanescence> BCMM: yes, some problem aout superblock
Sep 05 11:21:17 <BCMM> slightly vague problem there...
Sep 05 11:21:24 <BCMM> what filesystem is currently on the card?
Sep 05 11:21:58 <Evanescence> BCMM: I have tried to format with FAT32 ext3 ext4, none of them can work
Sep 05 11:22:05 <BCMM> what error do you get?
Sep 05 11:22:24 <BCMM> (also, i somewhat doubt that there is ext4 support in the stock kernel)
Sep 05 11:23:45 <Evanescence> BCMM: anyway, I want to know to detail steps of formatting a MicroSD crad.
Sep 05 11:24:15 <BCMM> Evanescence: i would just do mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX
Sep 05 11:24:22 <BCMM> or you could even format it from the device itself
Sep 05 11:24:48 <BCMM> i don't own any uSD cards, so I don't know what the /dev/ node is for it 
Sep 05 11:24:55 <Evanescence> BCMM: like mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd ? or /dev/sdd1 ?
Sep 05 11:25:13 <BCMM> depends if you want a full-card FS or to partition it
Sep 05 11:25:29 <Evanescence> BCMM: I see,
Sep 05 11:25:42 <BCMM> i believe non-partitioned is normal
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Sep 05 11:31:56 <Evanescence> BCMM: not support still
Sep 05 11:32:04 <BCMM> Evanescence: anything in dmesg?
Sep 05 11:32:14 <BCMM> also, were you able to mount the card on another machine?
Sep 05 11:32:32 <Evanescence> BCMM: I can mount on my linux
Sep 05 11:32:46 <BCMM> ok. what do you see in dmesg when you put the card in?
Sep 05 11:36:44 <Evanescence> BCMM: no message about card
Sep 05 11:36:45 <BCMM> Evanescence: do you have a /dev/mmcblk1 device?
Sep 05 11:36:45 <Evanescence> BCMM: yes
Sep 05 11:36:45 <BCMM> Evanescence: odd. sure it /dev/mmcblk1 and not just /dev/mmcblk0?
Sep 05 11:36:45 <Evanescence> BCMM: two are under /dev
Sep 05 11:36:46 <BCMM> just to confirm, you have tried putting the back cover back on the phone, right? it doesn't mount the filesystem until you close the case.
Sep 05 11:37:44 <Evanescence> BCMM: I shoutdown Maemo, get out card, format on computer linux, then plug on card, start system.
Sep 05 11:37:56 <BCMM> yes, but did you close the case?
Sep 05 11:38:28 <BCMM> iirc, you do not need to shut down the n900. it automatically unmounts the SD when you take the back cover off, and mounts it again when you close the cover
Sep 05 11:38:42 <BCMM> (i don't know what it does if the device is busy when you open the back)
Sep 05 11:38:46 <Evanescence> BCMM: what case ?
Sep 05 11:39:03 <Evanescence> BCMM: no, I have not open anything
Sep 05 11:39:04 <BCMM> the black plastic shell of the n900
Sep 05 11:39:33 <BCMM> the n900 is able to detect whether the back panel (the bit with the lens cover and kickstand on it) is attached or not
Sep 05 11:40:00 <Evanescence> I understand now
Sep 05 11:42:01 <Evanescence> BCMM: just mmc0: cover is open and slid is open, no card info on dmesg
Sep 05 11:42:17 <BCMM> what is "slid"?
Sep 05 11:42:54 <Evanescence> BCMM: sorry, slide
Sep 05 11:43:19 <BCMM> so there is no /dev/mmcblk1 device?
Sep 05 11:43:23 <Evanescence> now card is not available 
Sep 05 11:43:47 <Evanescence> yes
Sep 05 11:47:32 <BCMM> are you sure the card holder is closed properly?
Sep 05 11:47:43 <Evanescence> BCMM: yes, checked
Sep 05 12:25:16 <jiero> hi, guys, is there a way to fix Google Talk/XMPP video call?
Sep 05 12:41:28 <VonDurden> is maemo better than symbian?
Sep 05 12:41:39 <RST38h> No. Maemo is Linux and Linux is crap.
Sep 05 12:42:04 <obcecado> oh really ?
Sep 05 12:42:05 <jiero> nvm, I never used Symbian before, N900 is my first phone.
Sep 05 12:42:18 <VonDurden> i wondered about maeom because its linux
Sep 05 12:42:38 <VonDurden> and iw as wondering can i compile stuff and run linux programs from maeom
Sep 05 12:43:11 <Gh0sty> RST38h: troll :P
Sep 05 12:43:17 <RST38h> You can, that is why it is worse than Symbian!
Sep 05 12:43:27 <RST38h> everyone can compile crap on it
Sep 05 12:43:38 <VonDurden> so why is it worse?
Sep 05 12:43:43 <VonDurden> what do you mean
Sep 05 12:43:43 <RST38h> unsafe, unlike Symbian where your assets are firmly protected 
Sep 05 12:43:51 <jiero> RST38h: right, and run python program directly on N900
Sep 05 12:44:09 <Gh0sty> /!\ DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS /!\
Sep 05 12:44:20 <maybeHere> so uhm... i kinda killed my n900 by mistaking it for a stress relief ball
Sep 05 12:44:22 <VonDurden> but does shit like wine run on your n900 too?
Sep 05 12:44:31 <Gh0sty> wait what? 
Sep 05 12:44:33 <Gh0sty> wine? 
Sep 05 12:44:34 <Gh0sty> why? 
Sep 05 12:44:42 <Gh0sty> you want to run windows games on n900? :p
Sep 05 12:44:49 <VonDurden> no just curious
Sep 05 12:44:54 <VonDurden> about the processor
Sep 05 12:45:05 <maybeHere> wine won't run on anything that isn't x86 iirc
Sep 05 12:45:34 <Gh0sty> you first need to run qemu :p
Sep 05 12:45:44 <Gh0sty> to virtualise a x86 
Sep 05 12:45:46 <SpeedEvil> And wine + qemu may be slow.
Sep 05 12:45:46 <VonDurden> aaa
Sep 05 12:45:57 <Gh0sty> should be evil 
Sep 05 12:46:10 <maybeHere> wasn't there that java x86 emulator thingy
Sep 05 12:46:13 <Gh0sty> running qemu with win 98 on n900 :p
Sep 05 12:46:18 <maybeHere> (you'd need a java runtime first though)
Sep 05 12:47:26 <VonDurden> for the of the n900: can you see movies in your phone from an external hard drive unlikr in symbian?
Sep 05 12:47:53 <jiero> anybody help me to video call on gtalk"?
Sep 05 12:47:58 <jiero> or XMPP?
Sep 05 12:48:18 <maybeHere> any idea if i should even bother contacting nokia if i crushed the display of my n900...?
Sep 05 12:48:24 <BCMM> maybeHere: wine can be used with user-mode processor emulation (qemu). slow, but works
Sep 05 12:48:42 <BCMM> (as opposed to emulating an entire windows OS)
Sep 05 12:50:03 <SpeedEvil> maybeHere: you can still get spare parts - adn I understand nokia can do repairs - as long as they don't require to swap the moterboard.
Sep 05 12:50:22 <VonDurden> i have an external usb hard drive, if i wanna see a movie in my symbian i have to use my laptop to move the movie into my phone, can the n900 maemo directly be connected to the hard drive?
Sep 05 12:52:15 <SpeedEvil> Sort-of.
Sep 05 12:52:30 <SpeedEvil> It can't power it, so you will need a cable with a power adaptor.
Sep 05 12:52:41 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps a powered hub
Sep 05 12:52:47 <SpeedEvil> And the appropriate cable
Sep 05 12:53:43 <VonDurden> so if the hd has the power cable itself it should work with no problems?
Sep 05 12:54:02 <SpeedEvil> Yes
Sep 05 12:54:08 <SpeedEvil> With the hostmode things.
Sep 05 12:57:10 <maybeHere> SpeedEvil: ah, nice. guess i'll at least let them give me a quote on the repairs before switching to the dark side of the force :/
Sep 05 12:57:58 <jiero> any Idea of video call on N900 except Skype?
Sep 05 13:33:34 <scoobertron> Does anyone know where I can find the sound files for the default alarm function?
Sep 05 14:46:20 <DocScrutinizer> jiero: SIP
Sep 05 14:47:01 <jiero> DocScrutinizer: OK. I don't know how to configure it though.
Sep 05 16:09:16 <slonopotamus_> nice, n900 kiler: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/graphs/impact
Sep 05 16:10:38 <RST38h> slono: ?
Sep 05 16:10:51 <slonopotamus> RST38h: open it with n900 :)
Sep 05 16:11:08 <RST38h> ah, it actually killed a desktop Firefox on Win7
Sep 05 16:11:20 <slonopotamus> mwahaha
Sep 05 16:11:38 <slonopotamus> n900 reboots :)
Sep 05 16:14:59 <obcecado> well i cannot run the script on that page, on any hw i have near me
Sep 05 16:18:26 <hiemanshu> its running for me, I think
Sep 05 16:18:40 <hiemanshu> nope
Sep 05 16:18:44 <hiemanshu> lol, that page is stuck
Sep 05 16:20:41 <slonopotamus> btw, that's weird that a single misbehaving page leads to such destroy
Sep 05 16:27:06 <ErwinJunge> chromium on ubuntu 10.10 reports unresponsiveness neatly. No crashing of any kind :)
Sep 05 16:30:37 <hiemanshu> yeah, no crashing here either, one thing about chromium, seperate processes for each tab :)
Sep 05 16:53:34 <newbie007> hi, is it possible or can someone direct me to installing hildon-desktop on to a intel pc?
Sep 05 17:15:09 <kevin_b> newbie, hildon as far as I know, is a arm desktop
Sep 05 17:15:18 <kevin_b> I guess you have to use Scratchbox
Sep 05 17:15:32 <kevin_b> for executing it on your x86 makina
Sep 05 17:42:19 <xnt14> Why doesn't mobilehotspot ever work? it just caused my N900 to kernel panic...
Sep 05 17:46:48 <hiemanshu> works for me
Sep 05 17:47:40 <xnt14> kernel-power 48 just screwed up rtcomm... getting the same sms multiple times. ugh...
Sep 05 17:56:06 <an0therb0x> is ther a method to migrate messages/conversations to an android device ?
Sep 05 18:12:11 <newbie007> kevin_b: thanks I'll check into that. What is makina ?
Sep 05 18:16:59 <newbie007> actually I think hildon does exist for intel / amd there is a gnome website for it..
Sep 05 18:39:51 <RST38h> Meanwhile: private-enterprise prisons have recognized that providing inmates with cable television can be a more economical method to keep them quiet and subdued than it would be to hire more guards
Sep 05 19:02:32 <x29a> RST38h: television, the new opium for the people
Sep 05 19:23:36 <RST38h> A new operating system called Cosmo has been developed, written entirely in C#. 
Sep 05 19:23:48 <RST38h> (so, where do they get CLR from???)
Sep 05 20:19:18 <newbie007> an OS in C# is going to be crap slow
Sep 05 20:19:51 <newbie007> in theroy perhaps useful for learning
Sep 05 20:38:55 <vi__> so i called nokia about my n8 replacment
Sep 05 20:39:06 <vi__> got an e7 now
Sep 05 20:39:19 <vi__> except they forgot to take away the n8
Sep 05 20:39:25 <vi__> now i have both
Sep 05 20:39:46 <vi__> damn the e7 looks hot
Sep 05 20:39:58 <vi__> if only it had a real OS innit
Sep 05 20:41:28 <hiemanshu> lol
Sep 05 21:14:05 <Shapeshifter> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disconnect_internet what's the difference/relevance between ICD2 and ICD?
Sep 05 21:14:13 <Shapeshifter> which do I need if I want it to work always
Sep 05 21:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: haha
Sep 05 21:25:50 <javispedro> recovering that topic of smartwatches,
Sep 05 21:25:58 <javispedro> I am now considering the InPulse, which I mentioned too
Sep 05 21:26:11 <javispedro> basicallhttp://www.getinpulse.com/
Sep 05 21:26:13 <javispedro> er..
Sep 05 21:26:15 <javispedro> http://www.getinpulse.com/
Sep 05 21:26:22 <javispedro> $149, and OLED
Sep 05 21:26:46 <javispedro> the thing is that on the forum some say that having a permantent but small HH:MM text on the OLED _always on_ makes the battery last around 20h aka 1 day
Sep 05 21:27:15 <javispedro> a potentially interesting price to pay for having color oled..
Sep 05 21:27:57 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Sep 05 21:28:23 <SpeedEvil> Black and white LCD is about it for watch-class battery life
Sep 05 21:28:28 <SpeedEvil> probably not even graphical.
Sep 05 21:28:41 <javispedro> yeah, that's what makes TI's metawatch interesting
Sep 05 21:28:52 <javispedro> but still..
Sep 05 21:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> the OLED thing is not meant to stay on
Sep 05 21:29:53 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: evidently. but the thing above is the same trick the N9 does. 
Sep 05 21:30:00 <DocScrutinizer> producing light eats lots of power, no matter how you do it
Sep 05 21:30:14 <javispedro> small pixel count = less power.
Sep 05 21:30:22 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: the N9 has a HUGE battery compared to a wrist watch
Sep 05 21:30:48 <DocScrutinizer> like 20 times the capacity
Sep 05 21:30:58 <javispedro> evidently
Sep 05 21:31:03 <javispedro> too :)
Sep 05 21:31:31 <vi__> why is today noob day?
Sep 05 21:31:32 <javispedro> but in case you want to have _something_ always on and still have reasonable battery life..
Sep 05 21:31:41 <DocScrutinizer> a wrist watch with permanent display wants to use LCD
Sep 05 21:31:55 <javispedro> and color screen ;)
Sep 05 21:32:04 <SpeedEvil> Or eink
Sep 05 21:32:08 <MohammadAG> sup maemoers
Sep 05 21:32:09 <javispedro> SpeedEvil++
Sep 05 21:32:20 <javispedro> sadly, eink-on-a-watch seems to be +$1000 yet.
Sep 05 21:32:21 <vi__> javispedro: do not forget the primary function of a watch is to indicate the time at a glace
Sep 05 21:32:43 <javispedro> vi__: a $5 chinese watch would work finely for that
Sep 05 21:32:44 <Atarii> anyone got KP48 and hildon-desktop portrait mode working?
Sep 05 21:32:48 <javispedro> hello MohammadAG 
Sep 05 21:32:59 <vi__> javispedro: any watch that does not last ATLEAST a month without running out of power is gay and pointless
Sep 05 21:33:30 <vi__> MohammadAG: hay champ
Sep 05 21:33:46 <javispedro> vi__: so, how would you call watchless people? übergay?
Sep 05 21:34:43 <vi__> javispedro: obviously
Sep 05 21:34:51 <mzanetti> Hi. Since the latest update of the QtSDK creating a package spits out this error again: Can't exec "debian/rules"
Sep 05 21:35:02 <mzanetti> I have made sure rules is executable
Sep 05 21:35:23 <vi__> perhaps the rules are in the wrong place?
Sep 05 21:36:12 <vi__> what is the best n900 email client?
Sep 05 21:36:13 <mzanetti> hmmm... I didn't change the source of my project... its still in qtc_packaging/debian_fremantle/rules and its copied to the build dir debian/rules
Sep 05 21:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> not carrying any watch != carrying a useless watch
Sep 05 21:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> 1st is maybe cool, 2nd is extremely silly
Sep 05 21:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> what's the difference between somebody without any mobile phone, and somebody carrying a mobile phone dummy? ;-D
Sep 05 21:40:36 <Shapeshifter> ha
Sep 05 21:40:39 <Shapeshifter> I managed to crash my n900
Sep 05 21:40:43 <Shapeshifter> how did that happen
Sep 05 21:40:52 <DocScrutinizer> crash?
Sep 05 21:40:55 <Shapeshifter> I closed a terminal and immediately after tapped the task switcher
Sep 05 21:41:14 <Shapeshifter> well it seems like hildon-desktop crashed since the bar at the top was all garbled and a moment later it rebooted
Sep 05 21:41:25 <DocScrutinizer> meh, that just happens
Sep 05 21:41:46 <Shapeshifter> fail
Sep 05 21:41:47 <MohammadAG> <3 dsmetool
Sep 05 21:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
Sep 05 21:43:25 <DocScrutinizer> seems not even TI can guarantee DSP/GFXaccel always running flawlessly. So when hw-accelerated rendering crashes on X-server aka hildon-desktop, a reboot will ensue
Sep 05 21:44:17 <Shapeshifter> I'm not impressed
Sep 05 21:44:37 <DocScrutinizer> I know times back when x-server crashed on my desktop as well
Sep 05 21:44:38 <Shapeshifter> if hildon-desktop actually segfaults because of a hardware fault it should just respawn
Sep 05 21:45:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, maemo is massively x-server centric. It'd be hard to respawn x-server and not make it look like a reboot anyway
Sep 05 21:45:36 <Shapeshifter> :<
Sep 05 21:46:58 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: these are Imagination Tech, not TI
Sep 05 21:47:21 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: but TI are idiots too =)
Sep 05 21:47:46 * javispedro has been getting bounces from virtually every my.TI support account I've tried, silence from the others
Sep 05 21:48:34 <javispedro> Only one answer, which said something like " Dear $MY_FULLNAME, please complete your account registration. Required fields: Your fullname. <End of email>."
Sep 05 21:48:53 <javispedro> so I replied with $MY_FULLNAME, and got a bounce.
Sep 05 21:49:01 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Sep 05 23:48:19 <javispedro> ah well
Sep 05 23:48:28 <javispedro> hp is splitting palm again into hardware and software
Sep 05 23:48:59 <javispedro> for those that don't know, what is currently known as "palm" is already the hardware branch of the result of palm splitting into hardware and software years ago.
Sep 05 23:49:14 <Robot101> there's a definite irony
Sep 05 23:49:18 <x29a> even harder hardware then?
Sep 05 23:50:14 <javispedro> so hard it's virtually nonexistant :)
Sep 06 00:00:43 <tank-man> i still have my handspring visor :)
Sep 06 00:02:24 <tank-man> still usable as a universal remote with its ir port 
Sep 06 00:02:59 <javispedro> I find it amazing that the palmos watches are still selling in the €200 range
Sep 06 00:31:13 <x29a> javispedro: where can you find them? i was looking for a programmable watch for like ages
Sep 06 00:31:36 <javispedro> x29a: ebay
Sep 06 00:31:51 <javispedro> x29a: but we've been having discussions on this channel recently about modern programmable watches
Sep 06 00:32:06 <x29a> darn, missed that part
Sep 06 00:33:36 <x29a> whats the newest gadget?
Sep 06 00:33:51 <x29a> i was close to building my own
Sep 06 02:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> x29a: metawatch
Sep 06 02:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> aka https://estore.ti.com/MSP-WDS430BT2000D-Bluetooth-Wearable-Watch-development-system-with-Digital-display-P2447.aspx
Sep 06 02:18:04 <DocScrutinizer> if you were fine with DIY grade mech design and want to save some bucks, then maybe https://estore.ti.com/eZ430-Chronos-433-eZ430-Chronos-Wireless-Watch-Development-Tool-P1734.aspx
Sep 06 02:18:40 <DocScrutinizer> or the 866 or even 900 variant
Sep 06 02:24:57 <Evanescence> how to install ctags for N900 ? I can not find it in "apt-cache search ctags"
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