**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 18 02:59:57 2011 Sep 18 02:59:58 tomreyn, yes there is. There was a tmo thread where people posted their hardware revisions. As for differences between each hardware revisions its not made public by nokia, so it pretty much leaves the curious ones to figure out what they really are. Sep 18 03:03:24 psycho_oreos: thanks, i'll have a look for that thread later Sep 18 03:03:52 I'm just tring to browse the nokia fremantle APT repositories Sep 18 03:04:08 but all i'm getting is 'access denied' Sep 18 03:05:06 there's a few other threads where hardware revisions were posted, I'm assuming the flasher firmware blobs contains a list of known hardware revisions but they don't seem to be conclusive Sep 18 03:05:22 yeah they do that to prevent people from browsing Sep 18 03:05:44 i guess i must be based on user agent Sep 18 03:06:06 not really, its based on something else Sep 18 03:06:10 since i can't even seem to access the release file from my normal web browser Sep 18 03:06:42 can't be much else really, Sep 18 03:06:52 * psycho_oreos grins Sep 18 03:07:18 please, guys... is it possible to isntall android in n900? Sep 18 03:07:42 its called nitdroid, and they have their support channel in #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help Sep 18 03:07:59 tomreyn: what URL is the Release file at? Sep 18 03:08:06 basically i'm just trying to learn whether there's something newer than the fremantle1.2 OVI repository. Sep 18 03:08:16 ty... but it ends in a stable system? Sep 18 03:08:45 astruasdh, no, I doubt it. There's a wiki page on it telling you exactly what is supported and what is not Sep 18 03:09:17 tomreyn, I sort of doubt it, even if there is nokia may decide to make it obscure for one to access Sep 18 03:09:30 pabs3: i don't know exactly how to map the apt sources entry to the release URL... I tried some, but noe worked. Here's what my nokia delivered sources.list entry says: Sep 18 03:09:31 wb Sep 18 03:09:32 ty Sep 18 03:10:04 deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./ Sep 18 03:10:10 I was looking for android in order to talk on the phone while connected to 3g without noise, and to get a better email client Sep 18 03:10:34 pabs3: and i tried to access https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/dists/fremantle/Release Sep 18 03:10:46 oh, crap, it may be SSL client certificates Sep 18 03:10:52 for better email client, modest is getting fixed by the community, they have released their own set of service updates and called it CSSU Sep 18 03:11:55 is it available at ovi repositories? Sep 18 03:12:13 no.. there's maemo.org wiki about it Sep 18 03:12:22 CSSU has its own repository Sep 18 03:12:43 ~cssu Sep 18 03:12:43 extra, extra, read all about it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Sep 18 03:12:52 hmm Sep 18 03:12:54 ~nitdroid Sep 18 03:13:39 ty Sep 18 03:18:39 is it possible to isntall meego or another os better than maemo? Sep 18 03:19:22 you can dualboot meego as that is the recommended option. meego is not fully stable so it is unwise to replace maemo with meego Sep 18 03:20:10 and there's no other OS apart from maemo having a full and proper support of its hardware. Sep 18 03:20:56 what do you think about meego? does it worth to dual boot? Sep 18 03:23:57 I have yet to personally try meego. I said to them (#meego users/devs) that I would give meego a spin as soon as I purchased a spare N900 and 2x 32GB class 10 microSDHC cards. Well that time already came but I'm still fine tuning my maemo setup. It is probably worth dualbooting if you're keen on testing other OS on your tablet but its also recommended that you should be familiar with using linux. Sep 18 03:25:16 hello ,,a question ....how used add_remove_language command remove the system language.....i want save english only Sep 18 03:26:07 that's a really broken up English sentence there, no I don't really understand what you mean Sep 18 03:27:14 you can't easily add/remove languages, I believe ruskie on his about page on wiki has done a nasty hack to only have English as the language Sep 18 03:27:50 sorry my bad english,,,i want remove othen system language..... Sep 18 03:28:35 I believe what I said afterwards may help :) Sep 18 03:29:27 thank you , i will search it Sep 18 03:30:16 ty :) Sep 18 03:32:12 fyi, nitdroid and meego are inherently incompatible, they both provide their own set of bootloaders to work ontop of NOLO. You can install both but you will get a really messed up bootloader, if at worst you may end up bricking your device Sep 18 03:35:02 i update enhanced busybox shell ,, when i use nmap in root user....it response :route_dst: Failed to obtain system routes: Premature EOF in /proc/net/route.... Sep 18 03:37:21 I don't know if that's related to using enhanced busybox shell, it might be but for some reason I doubt it. Afterall the enhanced busybox doesn't provide nmap Sep 18 03:39:59 update busybox and install ssh server before.....nmap work fine .. in user nmap can work...in root not Sep 18 03:40:55 have you tried asking google with that query? notably pasting the error into google search? Sep 18 03:48:15 ok , i will try it again... Sep 18 03:49:31 according to search results they say that you do not have interface/network up Sep 18 03:51:08 also I have both busybox-power && ssh-status (which requires openssh-server installed) and have not experienced issue similar to yours Sep 18 03:53:32 i kown't why.....when i reboot ...i execute ifconfig .....interface list not wlan0.....so i execute "ifconfig wlan0 up"...but nmap resopnse same.. Sep 18 03:54:51 wlan0 up doesn't help nmap, nmap works on a different layer (in OSI terms). So you need to be associated/connected to a network first before you can use nmap Sep 18 03:55:09 nmap 127.0.0.1 can't work...... Sep 18 03:55:23 127.0.0.1 is lo not wlan0 Sep 18 03:55:40 some time ago,,,it 's ok Sep 18 03:56:32 if anything its user error Sep 18 03:56:53 its got nothing to do with having busybox-power && openssh-server installed Sep 18 03:57:10 thank you very much,,psycho_orers......i will study it,,,i am a linux newer Sep 18 03:57:46 psychologe, ifconfig lo up && nmap -sT -vv 127.0.0.1 Sep 18 04:03:02 I was reading meego website... it seems to have n900 support now. but meego is a beta os, isnt it? Sep 18 04:04:38 meego already have N900 support but not all features on meego will function on N900. If anything its similar to nitdroid on N900, the port is incomplete. meego is somewhat a beta OS but it doesn't target only one device (i.e. its not dedicated to just N900) Sep 18 04:04:52 s/have/had/ Sep 18 04:04:52 psycho_oreos meant: meego already had N900 support but not all features on meego will function on N900. If anything its similar to nitdroid on N900, the port is incomplete. meego is somewhat a beta OS but it doesn't target only one device (i.e. its not dedicated to just N900... Sep 18 04:05:08 ~snack Sep 18 04:05:08 * infobot snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P Sep 18 04:05:24 ~botsnack Sep 18 04:05:24 thanks, psycho_oreos Sep 18 04:28:10 ty, cya =) Sep 18 04:37:37 lol fark, my thread is flying Sep 18 06:04:08 moo, all Sep 18 06:08:59 oink Sep 18 06:10:45 what's new and exciting? n9 starts selling in Mongolia? Elop gets beheaded by a door at the nokia office? Sep 18 06:13:49 the latter I'm more willing to click on if found on tmo ;) Sep 18 07:25:44 moooo Sep 18 08:04:51 kernel_power, busybox_power, burp_bower Sep 18 08:05:02 * DocScrutinizer hates those UPN terms Sep 18 08:08:52 ~uptime Sep 18 08:08:59 meh Sep 18 08:09:04 ~+uptime Sep 18 08:09:04 - Uptime for ibot - Sep 18 08:09:04 Now: 4d 3h 6m 38s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Sep 18 08:09:05 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Sep 18 08:09:05 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Sep 18 08:09:05 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Sep 18 08:09:24 ~chaninfo Sep 18 08:09:25 I'm on 119 channels: #debian/1045, #meego/378, #kde/322, #maemo/282, #webos-internals/195, #gsoc/186, #asterisk/163, #wowuidev/150, #wowace/136, #oe/123, #wowhead/118, #openmoko/105, #harmattan/88, #openmoko-cdevel/75, #htc-linux/73, #diablofans/64, #utah/59, #bzflag/58, #tomcat/58, #uclibc/55, #curseforge/54, #edev/45, #asterisk-dev/44, #sc2mapster/44, #slug/44, #elinux/34, #riftuidev/31, #norganna/31, #gllug/28, #/24, #uphpu/20, #utos/19, ... Sep 18 08:09:26 i've cached 4693 users, 3429 unique users, distributed over 119 channels. Sep 18 08:36:10 hmm, I still fail to notice any noticeable spam attacks to tmo (not that I'd be too active on tmo, but even when looking for spam I can't see any) Sep 18 08:36:16 freemangordon__: ^^^ Sep 18 08:37:08 dang, we're <300 users on this chan - that's a sad record Sep 18 08:42:26 DocScrutinizer, because it is no more there ;) Sep 18 08:42:35 :-D Sep 18 08:44:43 freemangordon__: all this never could happen if tmo would've adopted my suggested cost-based posting scheme. Sth that limits noobs' quantity of allowed posts, based on their prev contributions and behaviour Sep 18 08:46:11 tmo became way too "cheap" for posting replies like "WUT?", and doing so at a freq of maybe 10 posts/min Sep 18 08:47:17 simple captcha for registration would do the job Sep 18 08:47:57 solve simple integral Sep 18 08:48:09 as soon as tmo users had to "pay" for each post (e.g. some "credits" from their account that only has a limited amount of credits per week), they would think twice before posting BS. If they could earn credits for further posts by gathering "thanks" they even more would worry about quality of their posts Sep 18 08:48:11 and i'm talking simple enough to be googled Sep 18 08:48:33 DocScrutinizer: just give them sin(x) to solve Sep 18 08:48:47 10% would solve it Sep 18 08:48:55 further 10% would google it Sep 18 08:49:03 so you think this help for abill_uk to stop his useless bitching? Sep 18 08:49:25 nah Sep 18 08:49:28 DocScrutinizer I see loads of spam Sep 18 08:49:34 just checked and there's not any there now Sep 18 08:49:41 I'm not talking about stopping spambots primarily Sep 18 08:49:44 I'll give you a screenshot/link if there's any more Sep 18 08:49:50 oh Sep 18 08:49:53 just useless posts? Sep 18 08:50:34 I'm just saying my cost-based post-quota would probably stop spambots as well Sep 18 08:51:05 but primary goal is to get better quality of posts from real users Sep 18 08:51:26 btw. i went to tesco yesterday Sep 18 08:51:33 tmo is way too much a smalltalk jabber nowadays Sep 18 08:51:36 and i've seen somebody listening to music from an ipad Sep 18 08:52:16 lolfail Sep 18 08:53:29 aah Sep 18 08:53:37 DocScrutinizer: there is some spam in the games tmo forum Sep 18 08:54:01 ~usbfix Sep 18 08:54:02 Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< Sep 18 08:54:58 infobot: no, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Sep 18 08:54:58 okay, DocScrutinizer Sep 18 08:59:16 * DocScrutinizer feels embarrassed to have sympathised with the epoxy idea some (half) year ago Sep 18 09:00:49 is the connection points small enough that you need to be pretty experienced with soldering to do it? Sep 18 09:40:06 yes Sep 18 09:41:43 not though for the preemptive fix that's just reinforcing the USB's solder attachment to the PCB Sep 18 09:42:40 A blob of epoxy on either side of the connector as a preemptive wouldn't be terrible either Sep 18 09:42:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=547991&postcount=20 - pretty easy for anybody savvy to hold a soldering iron and actually do decent solder joints Sep 18 09:42:57 Though not nearly as effective Sep 18 09:43:01 NEVER use epoxy Sep 18 09:43:17 at least not this way Sep 18 09:44:23 here's why: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1089843&postcount=29 Sep 18 09:44:37 epoxy doesnt glue to the stop mask, neither to the plated metal Sep 18 09:44:53 it just soaks into the connector destroying it :P Sep 18 09:46:46 when there are no traces inside the board one could drill small holes and use epoxy with glas, kevlar or carbon strands to fix the connector, but i think the soldering is easier to do Sep 18 09:49:01 cehteh: see my last post on the "ultimative USB fixing thread" - about "ultimative USB fix by not attaching it to PCB at all": http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1090901&postcount=33 Sep 18 09:49:43 of course abill_uk had to bitch against it immediately ;-P Sep 18 09:51:30 * cehteh yesterday fixed his lost trackpoint on the laptop with epoxy 'knete' Sep 18 09:51:42 looks a bit strange but works :P Sep 18 12:26:55 Hi, anyone using the DialCentral application on n900? I am getting a NO JSON object could be decoded error - what am i missing? Sep 18 13:48:03 hi Sep 18 14:23:12 is pyside for python2 only? Sep 18 15:23:28 I'm seeing the only mobile target in the latest QtCreator version is Harmattan, Sep 18 15:24:08 Do I need to download a different version or another package to compile for Freemantle? Sep 18 15:42:51 no, you need to start the maintainter/updater part of the SDK and install the fremantle target Sep 18 16:09:08 moo Sep 18 16:21:04 so ... the ssu says something about needing a usb connection ... Sep 18 16:26:40 "To update your device .... you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC" Sep 18 16:26:53 I don't have "a PC" Sep 18 16:27:15 what do you use? c64? Sep 18 16:27:22 :P Sep 18 16:27:23 and I don't have Nokia PC Suite Sep 18 16:27:25 :P Sep 18 16:27:47 this is covered in the installation faq's lbt Sep 18 16:27:49 I only use server grade hardware :) Sep 18 16:28:40 lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ Sep 18 16:28:40 NIN101: OK ... going to look Sep 18 16:29:26 mmmm "RTFM" to understand the misleading message printed on the screen .... Sep 18 16:29:51 We need translators to change that Sep 18 16:29:53 I think "sorry, the message is totally misleading, glad you found your way here" is better than RTFM :) Sep 18 16:30:31 hey bergie Sep 18 16:30:39 you in Hel this week (or next?) Sep 18 16:34:04 libqt4-test Sep 18 16:37:26 remove it Sep 18 16:37:43 yep - and pyside/sleepanalyzer Sep 18 16:41:15 well, no Sep 18 16:41:23 new TMO spam protection but the spamers are back anyway... Sep 18 16:41:29 packages shouldn't depend on it Sep 18 16:41:42 so blame sleepanalyzer and pyside's devs Sep 18 16:41:54 for depending on python-qt4 which depends on libqt4-test Sep 18 17:04:53 is pyside default installed in maemo5? Sep 18 17:12:26 lbt: first of all the message is no invention of CSSU, second this is #amemo, not #maemo-ssu Sep 18 17:12:50 there's a #maemo-ssu ? Sep 18 17:13:26 Hi, anyone using the DialCentral application on n900? I am getting a NO JSON object could be decoded error - what am i missing? Sep 18 17:13:37 yeah maybe I should check if there's a #maemo-ssu-sunday first though Sep 18 17:14:07 lbt: bitching and fingerpointing won't earn you karma points Sep 18 17:14:59 lbt: believe me, crashanddie and me can be worse bastards than you Sep 18 17:15:15 nor will sarcastic comments about not asking in a niche subchannel that's not mentioned in the channel Sep 18 17:15:27 and feel free to be a bastard if that's your take on life Sep 18 17:16:34 lbt: please stop playing the asshole. NIN101 was quite helpful. If that's not what you expected then too bad, please look somewhere else for help Sep 18 17:16:34 oh, and if that's your attitude then please don't bother addressing me anymore. I was simply not impressed at the *WIKI* being rather rude. Sep 18 17:17:30 now ... go look at the logs... I made one comment about the "Read The Fucking Manual" comment. Sep 18 17:17:58 and then suggested it could be more politely explained... Sep 18 17:18:11 whoever added the ability to lock desktop editing to cssu: you rock. thanks! Sep 18 17:18:17 I told you that's a genuine Nokia msg Sep 18 17:18:31 yes. That's fair Sep 18 17:19:16 The wiki could point out that "it's a Nokia message, can't be adjusted and now you're here this is what to do" Sep 18 17:25:31 hello Sep 18 17:27:10 i'd like to use my n900 as a sound trigger for my nikon d3100. I already can shoot the camera with h-e-n and gphoto2, now I just should try to execute gphoto2 when the mic input reach a certain value. How can I do that? Sep 18 17:28:06 I thought to a python script, but I don't know which libraries to use for this purpose... Can I do it with the audio demon? Sep 18 17:28:18 *daemon Sep 18 17:30:10 get the source of vumeter Sep 18 17:31:00 it's easy to edit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7ltX3Wtok Sep 18 17:31:16 if you're in germany you can't see that vid, sorry :p Sep 18 17:32:18 hi, can you help me get 'man' working in xterm? I get the error "pager: applet not found" and "man: command exited with status 256: pager -s" Sep 18 17:33:39 its been like this since I installed it. first manually, then with some extra terminal commands package, and also now with enhanced busybox. Sep 18 17:34:04 apt-get install less Sep 18 17:34:05 MohammadAG, thank you :D Sep 18 17:34:13 oh :) Sep 18 17:34:31 or was that for me? O.o Sep 18 17:36:25 apt-get install less was for you :P Sep 18 17:37:02 thought so, ty :) just installed it. Sep 18 17:38:10 how come man gave an error like that then? and what exactly is pager? Sep 18 17:38:25 less is a pager Sep 18 17:38:42 it allows you to display text with scrollbars (if you can call them that) Sep 18 17:39:31 MohammadAG, vumeter is written in c++... Sep 18 17:39:46 is there a way to use python or the audio daemon? Sep 18 17:40:30 you could rewrite it... Sep 18 17:40:38 I'm not familiar with the pulseaudio API Sep 18 17:40:44 but editing the C++ code is easy Sep 18 17:41:16 MohammadAG: ah yes, and I can use less without man too, right? to display textfiles much like cat does? Sep 18 17:41:46 arvut, cat dumps everything, what's shown depends on your terminal emulator Sep 18 17:42:04 most emulators don't have an epic scrollback, so you'd use less for that Sep 18 17:42:10 anyway, yeah, dmesg | less Sep 18 17:42:57 but I can't write c++... I only know python :( Sep 18 17:43:26 I've seen dmesg being used here and there, what exactly does that do then? dump a dbus msg? Sep 18 17:43:37 kernel messages Sep 18 17:43:44 ale152, don't you just want to trigger a script? Sep 18 17:43:49 ale152: you can always learn :) Sep 18 17:43:59 Qt makes C++ easy Sep 18 17:44:23 it does indeed Sep 18 17:44:31 I don't even know where to start... Sep 18 17:44:36 but there's still the "new" and "delete" directives they should have never existed. Sep 18 17:44:36 MohammadAG: ah, could be useful then Sep 18 17:44:43 a bash script would be much easier :D Sep 18 17:44:53 arvut: if you know python then you can modify an existing Qt C++ app Sep 18 17:45:02 usually :) Sep 18 17:45:11 Sc0rpius, you shouldn't use delete directly most of the time anyway ;) Sep 18 17:45:18 deleteLater() is a bit safer Sep 18 17:45:19 erm ale152, not arvut :) Sep 18 17:45:57 if you use "new", you have to use "delete" Sep 18 17:46:06 you're new to Qt :P Sep 18 17:46:22 if you have a parented object, you don't have to delete it, when the parent dies the children die with it Sep 18 17:46:40 and QObject::deleteLater() deletes an object when everything's done Sep 18 17:46:45 lbt: cool, I know some c and c++ (including some gml and nwnc) but python is still on my list of langs to learn :P I'm not at Qt level yet though.. Sep 18 17:47:03 believe me, Qt doesn't need a week to learn Sep 18 17:47:13 sure, you won't be a pro, but it comes with time Sep 18 17:47:43 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html Sep 18 17:47:43 yeah, but I need more C++ first :) Sep 18 17:47:55 so ok let's say I have a window then a create a stacked window like this: QWiget *widget = new MyWidget(); setCentralWidget(widget); widget->show(); Sep 18 17:48:02 4.7 Sep 18 17:48:05 when the widget is done, I have to delete it manually Sep 18 17:48:12 otherwise I'd have a memory leak Sep 18 17:48:25 why not parent it? Sep 18 17:48:28 MohammadAG: oops... http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/tutorials.html bad google Sep 18 17:48:31 ok sorry Sep 18 17:48:33 QWidget *widget = new QWidget(parent); Sep 18 17:48:35 new MyWidget(this); Sep 18 17:48:42 widget->setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); Sep 18 17:48:47 widget->show() Sep 18 17:48:48 oh Sep 18 17:49:02 Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose <-- that I didn't know about Sep 18 17:49:03 the close button on the window/widget deletes it Sep 18 17:49:10 I actually connect the SIGNAL(disconnect()) Sep 18 17:49:15 to the parent to delete it Sep 18 17:49:21 interesting Sep 18 17:49:25 heh, I didn't know about it at first Sep 18 17:49:26 * Sc0rpius goes to modify his current project Sep 18 17:49:27 Sc0rpius: to be fair learning how Qt manages your memory allocation is interesting Sep 18 17:49:58 of course, suppose you have a mainwindow with some code that's like uploading something Sep 18 17:50:06 then you can remove the attribute again and delete it later Sep 18 17:51:26 hmm Sep 18 17:51:49 hey! Sep 18 17:51:58 and I do agree Qt is great Sep 18 17:52:00 I just discovered that vumeter already does what I want!! Sep 18 17:52:05 for any platform Sep 18 17:52:11 it has "trigger command" and "trigger value" :D Sep 18 17:52:52 :) Sep 18 17:53:17 that's a shame ... finding a reason to hack on something is usually what gets you going ;) Sep 18 17:59:23 oh no! Sep 18 17:59:38 I have no more free space on my disk and I can't install the maemo sdk... Sep 18 17:59:55 could someone compile this package for maemo? http://sourceforge.net/projects/gphoto/files/ Sep 18 18:00:12 I could only find the previous version that does not support my camera :( Sep 18 18:04:35 someone ported the previous version: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gphoto2/ Sep 18 18:04:52 the last one is the 2.4.11 Sep 18 18:05:05 shoud I contact the mantainer of the package to request an update? Sep 18 18:05:10 hmm tmo is really slow for me today. Anyone else having trouble? Sep 18 18:05:20 I don't know how it works.. Sep 18 18:06:26 you could try that ale152 Sep 18 18:06:29 or compile it yourself Sep 18 18:06:48 I have not enough space on my disk to install the maemo sdk... Sep 18 18:07:08 delete some of the porn you already watched :P Sep 18 18:07:37 I run the SDK in a 10 GB Ubuntu VM Sep 18 18:07:41 you don't need that much Sep 18 18:07:41 lol Sep 18 18:07:50 I'm on a very old pc with a very small hd Sep 18 18:10:43 If you're on a very old pc running a VM probably isn't a good idea :) Sep 18 18:11:58 how can I install "make" on my n900? Sep 18 18:12:24 I don't have time to do this at the moment, but am willing to look into it for you later. Provided it only takes typing "./configure; make", no time to port stuff now. Sep 18 18:12:45 thank you :D Sep 18 18:12:56 ale152: Installing a complete development environment on the device is not recommended (and quite complicated) Sep 18 18:13:05 it's a command line app, so it only need configure-make :D Sep 18 18:13:22 i already did it some time ago, and it worked Sep 18 18:13:26 Not neccesarily true, but I'll give it a try. Sep 18 18:13:36 but i remember i had a lot of problem with free root space Sep 18 18:13:41 *problems Sep 18 18:13:54 Ah, that's different :) If you say it worked, it'll probably still work. Sep 18 18:14:06 You want to use this with h-e-n? Sep 18 18:14:12 yes Sep 18 18:14:38 a maemo forum user had it working with my camera, but he shared only gphoto2 package and forget the libgphoto2 package :( Sep 18 18:15:29 So you just want libgphoto2? Sep 18 18:15:55 i don't know if the gphoto2 he uploaded is the last version.. Sep 18 18:17:10 Downloading latest version now. Btw, bugging the maintainer on the repos is also a good idea so that other people can also benefit from this. Sep 18 18:17:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65483 Sep 18 18:17:15 this is the thread Sep 18 18:34:18 ale152: trying for you now Sep 18 18:34:42 thank you :D Sep 18 18:35:17 This of course comes with the regular "no warranty warranty". If this blows up your phone, I am in no way responsible :) I also have not tested the software on my own phone, so don't know if it will actually work. Sep 18 18:36:59 no problem :D Sep 18 18:38:37 It compiles, I'll zip it for you, just a sec. Sep 18 18:39:19 :D :D Sep 18 18:39:52 well, that's why Nokia's better than you Sep 18 18:40:04 if the N950 blows up they can give you 50 bucks! Sep 18 18:42:51 ale152: please report on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 Sep 18 18:42:58 ale152: www.junge.nl/gphoto_ale152.zip Sep 18 18:43:12 Please let me know when you finish downloading so I can remove the file. Sep 18 18:43:59 That file contains the directory structure as created by 'make install' Sep 18 18:44:25 download completed :D Sep 18 18:44:30 thank you very very very much :D Sep 18 18:44:33 so my HP touchpad has black dots on it and they're not going off Sep 18 18:44:42 Unpacking it in the root of the phone would have the same result as if you typed 'make install' on device (I hope). Sep 18 18:44:44 that can't be a good thing Sep 18 18:44:48 Ok, let me know if it works :) Sep 18 18:45:02 i'm trying it now Sep 18 18:45:21 MohammadAG: LCD pixel errors? Sep 18 18:45:41 no no, the mouse pad tihngy Sep 18 18:45:45 thingy* Sep 18 18:45:53 MohammadAG: I wonder what would happen if you tried to send it in for repairs :) Sep 18 18:46:07 mouse pad thingy? Sep 18 18:47:44 laptop pad Sep 18 18:48:35 Ahhh, hp laptop :) Sep 18 18:49:21 ale152: Regarding your post in that thread, does gphoto also allow you to control your camera? Because I would be interested in that :) Sep 18 18:49:39 yes, sure :D Sep 18 18:50:44 ErwinJunge, DocScrutinizer http://i55.tinypic.com/1427eyc.jpg Sep 18 18:51:30 Hm... let me know if it works for you :) You use me as compile machine, I use you as labrat ;) Sep 18 18:51:58 MohammadAG: Odd, but why do you care? Sep 18 18:52:08 cause it looks weird Sep 18 18:52:19 and it wasn't there this morning Sep 18 18:52:31 for all I know it could be the pox Sep 18 18:52:39 Oh, that makes it interesting if it somehow appeared within hours Sep 18 18:52:47 insects? Sep 18 18:52:53 under it? Sep 18 18:52:56 yep Sep 18 18:52:56 Still no idea, but interesting :) Sep 18 18:53:55 http://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen&hl=de&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=AD52TpjiAcmRswb1z4CWCw&ved=0CDEQsAQ Sep 18 18:54:30 uhmm Sep 18 18:54:56 I can't find the gphoto2 exe Sep 18 18:55:02 http://www.google.de/search?q=gewittertierchen Sep 18 18:55:17 I can only find config and port-config Sep 18 18:55:19 sorry nfc how's the english term Sep 18 18:57:06 ale152: Honestly, I didn't even look at what was in there :) I just did configure; make; make install in a custom prefix and then zipped the results. Sep 18 18:57:11 Just a sec, I'll go take a look Sep 18 18:57:59 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fransenflügler#Fransenfl.C3.BCgler_besch.C3.A4digt_Monitore Sep 18 18:57:59 ErwinJunge, http://clip2net.com/clip/m48794/1316372216-cliptt2880-84kb.png Sep 18 18:58:10 there seems to be a file that is a dir Sep 18 19:00:13 ale152: hm... interesting. usr/local/bin only contains config stuff. Perhaps the gphoto program is a seperate source package? Sep 18 19:00:42 i don't really know... Sep 18 19:02:11 Seems like it Sep 18 19:02:22 I just clicked the "download latest here" link :) Sep 18 19:02:33 That only gave libgphoto Sep 18 19:03:51 ah :D Sep 18 19:05:26 Doing gphoto now Sep 18 19:08:32 ale152: Try again, same location Sep 18 19:09:16 this is gphoto2 + libgphoto2? Sep 18 19:09:24 yes Sep 18 19:09:33 both in one package Sep 18 19:09:59 also, I checked for the presence of /usr/local/bin/gphoto2 this time :) Sep 18 19:12:45 :) Sep 18 19:13:29 Let me know if it works :) Sep 18 19:16:33 gphoto2: error while loading shared libraries: libgphoto2_port.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sep 18 19:16:44 there's something strange with the file location Sep 18 19:21:54 oh no, I have both phone and camera battery out :( Sep 18 19:22:10 tomorrow i'll try again... Sep 18 19:39:33 ale152: It's definitely in the package Sep 18 19:40:18 Best guess: /usr/local/lib is not in the library path Sep 18 20:10:12 what is a good messenger program in maemo that is also available in other mobiles, like iphone, BB, Nokia and others? Sep 18 20:12:57 smhar: you mean service, not program as messaging services in maemo are mostly integrated, not seperate programs? Sep 18 20:13:22 valdyn, correct Sep 18 20:13:46 smhar: i suspect about all you can find in maemo is available everywhere else Sep 18 20:14:11 smhar: sms,skype,jabber,msn.... Sep 18 20:14:21 everyone I know uses whatsup which not available for maemo, so I am trying to show them an alternative to keep in touch with them Sep 18 20:14:55 smhar: thing is that whatsapp matches contacts to phone numbers. There's nothing like that in maemo. Sep 18 20:15:10 smhar: and the only service that does the same might be bbm Sep 18 20:15:35 what is bbm? Sep 18 20:15:50 smhar: blackberry messenger Sep 18 20:16:29 smhar: both work like sms but via internet so are cheaper on contracts that include internet Sep 18 20:16:39 I used neither, I am happy with skype, but I can not talk with myself, I need something that the others will use :-) Sep 18 20:16:57 smhar: the others can use skype Sep 18 20:18:00 smhar: all those services drain the battery quite alot, except the special services like whatsapp and bbm Sep 18 20:18:28 well, i dont actually know bbm, so this is just what i suspect Sep 18 20:20:03 smhar: maybe google messaging is a good choice for android users Sep 18 20:20:10 smhar: and it works fine in maemo too Sep 18 20:20:51 my friends and family are either on Nokia or iphone these days Sep 18 20:20:55 smhar: and it can be used on any phone too Sep 18 20:21:14 smhar: symbian phones have a program for all services except bbm Sep 18 20:22:30 smhar: http://store.ovi.com/search?q=jabber Sep 18 20:22:42 smhar: google's service is just jabber Sep 18 20:23:16 smhar: plus http://store.ovi.com/search?q=google+messaging Sep 18 20:24:05 Whatsapp's underlying system is XMPP Sep 18 20:24:10 just saying Sep 18 20:24:28 I offered to developer a MeeGo/Maemo version, they never replied Sep 18 20:24:48 MohammadAG: interesting, to bad its nonetheless restricted to whatever whatsapp allows Sep 18 20:26:04 problem is, there's Skype/MSN etc but everyone's using whatsapp Sep 18 20:26:09 and Viber Sep 18 20:26:35 in a year, something new will come up and people will switch to that Sep 18 20:26:36 annoying times we live in Sep 18 20:26:41 MohammadAG++ Sep 18 20:26:48 MohammadAG: the battery drain is bad on the others and the phone number <-> contact matching to convenient Sep 18 20:27:50 MohammadAG: which means i can easily have multiple messengers like whats app running, but multiple like skype... no way, even skype alone drains to much Sep 18 20:28:13 battery drain is fine on XMPP Sep 18 20:28:14 or IRC Sep 18 20:28:15 or Facebook chat Sep 18 20:28:21 not even Skype drains the battery that much Sep 18 20:28:24 MSN/Skype would be the implementation's fault, Skype's P2P and MSN is.. badly coded cause it's undocumented? Sep 18 20:28:27 my 4day record was done with skype Sep 18 20:28:37 indeed Sep 18 20:29:04 the N900's battery suffered from Skype when you had a continuous conversation Sep 18 20:29:05 MohammadAG: skype is only implemented by the vendor, so uh, they have whatever docs they want Sep 18 20:29:16 but if you're just idling, it's fine Sep 18 20:29:30 I was talking about MSN Sep 18 20:29:39 Whatsapp is closed Sep 18 20:29:41 MohammadAG: alright then Sep 18 20:29:56 Whatsapp is not only closed, but their company actively hostile against new clients Sep 18 20:30:24 those vendors not implementing whatsapps only nice feature are dumb, or at least i dont get it Sep 18 20:30:47 what's Whatsapps only nice feature and why I'm sure it's already implemented everywhere else? Sep 18 20:31:09 I wonder what'd happen if we reverse engineer it Sep 18 20:31:10 javispedro: matching contacts to phone numbers isnt implemented everywhere else Sep 18 20:31:22 uh? Sep 18 20:31:24 my N900 does it Sep 18 20:31:34 Whatsapp's nice feature is it uses phone numbers as IDs Sep 18 20:31:39 ah Sep 18 20:31:46 no Sep 18 20:31:48 so it _forces_ you to share your phone nubmer? Sep 18 20:31:53 what a feature... Sep 18 20:31:53 javispedro: yes Sep 18 20:32:00 You can merge contacts and stuff Sep 18 20:32:12 but with whatsapp you don't have to add friends Sep 18 20:32:12 they're already there Sep 18 20:32:21 javispedro: its ok that you dont like it, but its the only reason why its popular at all Sep 18 20:32:28 javispedro, yes, I realize that sucks, and when you change the SIM, you're gone Sep 18 20:32:41 javispedro, it's like MyNokia Sep 18 20:32:51 valdyn: I've asked many times why iPhoners liked about WhatsApp. It's the first time I hear this. Sep 18 20:32:51 no no no Sep 18 20:33:00 the only reason it's popular is because people are becoming lazy Sep 18 20:33:08 javispedro: they dont know, because it "just works" Sep 18 20:33:08 Whatsapp auto starts on Symbian, you can't close it Sep 18 20:33:14 you don't need to add contacts Sep 18 20:33:25 and 3rd, people are ignoring their SMS plans for internet plans Sep 18 20:33:33 javispedro: its sms, except you dont pay Sep 18 20:33:45 javispedro: same as facetime for video Sep 18 20:33:55 "it's sms except you don't pay" to a person that has been using IM on his N810/N900 since ages ago.. Sep 18 20:34:13 but yes, that's one of the average answers I've heard Sep 18 20:34:15 based on total ignorance Sep 18 20:34:20 javispedro: sure Sep 18 20:34:37 "it's sms except you don't pay" so I point them to search for google talk on the app store, make them download the first app Sep 18 20:34:52 et voila, "it's sms except you don't pay", and it's free. Sep 18 20:35:04 (because, oh, surprise! whatsapp clients are not free...) Sep 18 20:35:12 (as in beer) Sep 18 20:35:21 javispedro: please, we've all heared this, but this isnt useful Sep 18 20:35:39 what is not useful. Sep 18 20:35:48 what's not useful is moving again to a propietary Im network. Sep 18 20:36:00 I had to go through that during MSN Sep 18 20:36:06 javispedro: your attitude - except if you can tell us how to convert our 500 contacts to use a true free service Sep 18 20:36:27 valdyn: I costed me _years_ to move all my contacts to GTalk. Sep 18 20:36:32 *It Sep 18 20:36:38 javispedro: there you go.. Sep 18 20:36:39 People barely use MSN nowadays Sep 18 20:36:59 MohammadAG: exactly, but it's like the days when it was gaining popularity all again Sep 18 20:37:02 javispedro: myself i just use sms or email, easier Sep 18 20:37:12 noone knows exactly why, but it just starts to get used. Sep 18 20:37:35 (well, during msn days you could argue it had something to do with being included in win98..) Sep 18 20:37:51 cause it's the top app on both app stores? Sep 18 20:38:14 javispedro: i suspect people now drop whatever they do on the pc, pick up the iphone, send a message and go back to the pc Sep 18 20:38:23 javispedro: thats fucking stupid, but thats probably what people do Sep 18 20:39:27 It couldn't hurt to have Whatsapp available for maemo anyway Sep 18 20:40:00 sadly, it WILL hurt Sep 18 20:40:17 because A) Maemo doesn't get extra sales (not that it could) Sep 18 20:40:28 b) A bunch of people that would otherwise NOT use Whatsapp start using it. Sep 18 20:42:04 I see it the other way around: as it doesn't change anything, as people who use a different IM will keep using it, it could just make our lives easier to send messages to iUsers Sep 18 20:42:30 think again Sep 18 20:43:00 yes, you'd not try to convince others, but for the average user, you'd not succeed either Sep 18 20:43:01 you play the "iUsers" game -- you will eventually get hurt. When they move on to the next big paywalled IM network. Sep 18 20:43:07 iOS5 will have iMessage Sep 18 20:43:12 the only winning move is not to play =) Sep 18 20:43:17 hehehe Sep 18 20:44:54 iOS5 will have iPlunger2, now with a longer handle Sep 18 20:44:58 imessage is really going to make carriers hate iphone Sep 18 20:45:31 do users care? Sep 18 20:45:48 AT&T sucks, people said that and they stayed on it Sep 18 20:45:51 why? cause of the iPhone Sep 18 20:46:12 MohammadAG: sure, but the result is in any case that carriers will try to keep the market open Sep 18 20:46:44 MohammadAG: which again may be good for users even if they dont realise that Sep 18 20:48:03 oh well Sep 18 20:48:06 that's not a concern of mine, gotta wake up in 7 hours Sep 18 20:48:15 night :) Sep 18 20:48:20 night Sep 18 20:48:38 * MohammadAG curses unis and stuff, shuts off laptop Sep 18 20:49:34 night,Mohammad Sep 18 21:28:39 hello Sep 18 21:28:49 how i can check if my device is still in warranty ? Sep 18 21:31:15 does skype in maemo have an OTR option? Sep 18 21:42:08 e0x: It is possible on some nokia sites, but it probably depends on your country. Google for "nokia warranty check" or somthing. In the EU your device is warranted for two years afaik (if bought new). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 19 02:59:57 2011