**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 21 02:59:57 2011 Sep 21 03:04:33 no one awake? Sep 21 03:04:55 wol Sep 21 03:08:08 fredrin: i am! Sep 21 03:08:11 but distractewd Sep 21 03:08:14 *distracted Sep 21 03:09:12 what's going on? Sep 21 03:32:11 DocScrutinizer hay Sep 21 05:56:29 nice reading http://mat.exon.name/logs/maemo (shows what a mess maemo is) Sep 21 07:52:55 WOOOOOW Sep 21 07:53:46 * DocScrutinizer WB everybody Sep 21 07:55:14 WUT, killed for spamming???? Sep 21 08:07:11 unklined again, phoooooh! ;-P Sep 21 08:08:25 [2011-09-21 09:52:32] * DocScrutinizer WB everybody[2011-09-21 09:55:36] [465] You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 28800 min. - Spam is off topic on freenode. mail kline@freenode.net if in error (2011/9/21 09.53) You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 2 Sep 21 08:08:44 what??? Sep 21 08:08:59 /ame WB Sep 21 08:09:10 ohh that annoying idoru thing Sep 21 08:09:15 yep Sep 21 08:09:32 wth Sep 21 08:09:46 * DocScrutinizer waves Sep 21 08:09:49 bbl Sep 21 08:09:49 they really should hookup crm114 into that so that it can tell the difference between spam and actual people trying to talk Sep 21 08:10:31 What happened to slashdot? Sep 21 08:10:44 Now you can comment on comments, but in the form of summaries, not comments? Sep 21 08:10:45 WTF? Sep 21 08:20:23 morning Sep 21 08:22:14 ruskie: whats crm114? Sep 21 08:22:40 http://crm114.sourceforge.net/ Sep 21 08:22:46 CRM114 - the Controllable Regex Mutilator Sep 21 08:26:17 what the heck is happening here? Sep 21 08:27:28 Estel_, he Sep 21 08:27:39 hej psychologe Sep 21 08:27:44 hey* Sep 21 08:33:46 Estel_: eh? what's happening? Sep 21 08:33:59 netsplit again? Sep 21 08:34:13 infobot: ping Sep 21 08:34:13 ~pong Sep 21 08:36:00 Estel_, has you install easy debian,,,,why i install some software ...it auto upgrade some lib file....then my phone reboot..and debian LXDE can't boot.. Sep 21 08:37:47 psychologe, don't use ",,,," and "..." all the time. Thanks. Sep 21 08:43:30 DocScrutinizer, I was asking about You being disconnected for 'spam' etc Sep 21 08:43:53 psychologe, when using Easy Debian, avoid full distro update to Squeeze Sep 21 08:44:36 normally, just use Lenny. When You want some new version, update one by one and check dependencies. Basically, You should not install anything that require update of gconf2 Sep 21 08:45:02 also, be sure to *unmark* "treat suggested packages as dependencies" Sep 21 08:45:39 You can try with forcing different versions during update - You can unstall the highest one that doesn't need updated gconf2 Sep 21 08:46:14 this is because Maemo gconf2 is older and new gconf2 doesn't play nicely with Maemo gconf2 (Easy Debian is chrot) Sep 21 08:46:59 I wonder, if using Debian *witnout* chrot - i.e. booting into it - solve this. Probably, yes, but I got no idea what may be *"ot* working then. Sep 21 08:47:03 I'm off for now Sep 21 08:49:37 Estel_, thanks your explain.i understand Sep 21 09:03:33 wtf is chrot Sep 21 09:03:39 chroot Sep 21 09:05:29 hi Sep 21 09:05:36 i just got my n900 "fixed" Sep 21 09:05:39 with N8 Sep 21 09:05:45 does anybody know what to do next? Sep 21 09:06:03 i mean i didn't accept it, or anything yet Sep 21 09:06:56 jacekowski, better ask your money back? Sep 21 09:07:02 has worked at least here in Finland Sep 21 09:07:23 they offered me 49.99 i've paid for a phone on start of contract Sep 21 09:07:24 that's all Sep 21 09:07:43 how much did you pay for the phone in the first place? it was part of a contract? Sep 21 09:07:54 oh, right Sep 21 09:07:57 you just said it :-) Sep 21 09:08:15 not sure if there is a good solution for you :/ Sep 21 09:09:21 hello good morning all, pls I am new to this channel, and maemo but I wan to confirm, I am using phonegap and i am told it's possible to convert mobile application from one platform to another, is it true and how is it it done, can you pls send me more docs abt it ? Sep 21 09:12:40 crashanddie_: ? Sep 21 09:12:49 crashanddie_: have you had any experience with that? Sep 21 09:13:24 any answer ? Sep 21 09:15:23 windparadise, sit back and idle someone that might know will respond when they see/feel like it Sep 21 09:15:48 ok Sep 21 09:24:32 wth is phonegap? Sep 21 09:26:38 jacekowski: on contract... I'd say you have to live with it! sad... Sep 21 09:27:14 buy a new and shiny for ~360eur Sep 21 09:27:24 sell the N8 Sep 21 09:30:51 jacekowski, ouch Sep 21 09:31:08 jacekowski, I think an e/ would be more valuable. I'd say buy and sell and buy used N900 Sep 21 09:31:12 e7 Sep 21 09:32:15 * chem|st is thinking of buying another new n900 Sep 21 09:39:11 jacekowski: I know of one guy who had success by complaining on Nokia's public facebook page. Sep 21 09:39:52 Nokia kept sending him an N8, he kept sending them back and asking for N900. After a couple of attempts he complained on facebook and presto, they "found" an N900 for him. Sep 21 09:43:48 ErwinJunge: contract phone... Sep 21 09:44:00 chem|st: Same Sep 21 09:44:17 Nearly everyone has contract phones here in the Netherlands Sep 21 09:45:14 is there a way to sync the calender to a iCal feed (updating ics file) without using google + syncevolution ? Sep 21 09:45:49 Ikarus: lol Sep 21 09:46:25 jacekowski: Getting the relevant info for you now, will pastebin conversation in a sec Sep 21 09:49:01 jacekowski: http://pastebin.com/yVrFXQCp Sep 21 09:49:28 chem|st: that bad ? Sep 21 09:50:13 it's the way my uni makes the agenda availible Sep 21 09:50:52 Ikarus: webcal would be nice... Sep 21 09:51:24 you can download and import but there is no feed service afaik, if you find one tell me! Sep 21 09:51:27 I guess I'll hackup something Sep 21 09:51:46 cron? Sep 21 09:52:19 I need 2way not only reading feeds... Sep 21 09:52:43 getting the feeds down shouldn't be that a hack... Sep 21 09:53:13 2way sync with the uni agenda would need a whole different kind of hack I guess ;) Sep 21 09:55:19 Meanwhile: Woman Abducts 8 Children With Same Name From Foster Home Sep 21 10:08:27 ErwinJunge! Sep 21 10:08:31 it worked! \o/ Sep 21 10:08:39 it was just a permissions problem :D Sep 21 10:08:40 ale152: cool! Sep 21 10:08:54 yeaaaaah :D Sep 21 10:09:17 now i'm trying to use vumeter to take photos on noise Sep 21 10:09:50 ? Sep 21 10:14:40 afk, lunch Sep 21 10:16:03 MOOOO Sep 21 10:18:19 jacekowski: you paid for the phone so you own it now, it's not like it's 49.95 you paid for it. They have to give you another N900, fix yours, or pay as much as it takes so you get another N900 on free market same condition Sep 21 10:43:37 ErwinJunge, everything's working :D Sep 21 10:43:57 i had problem with the camera detect, because gphot2 detects strange things Sep 21 10:44:10 but if i set --camera "My camera" it works :D Sep 21 10:46:50 ~seen javispedro Sep 21 10:46:56 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 10h 35m 59s ago, saying: 'today I'm in such a weird mood I'm going to say, go for it. let's see this entire thing roll down the mountain until it either explodes or crashes'. Sep 21 10:55:25 ~seen infobot Sep 21 10:55:26 infobot <~infobot@198.60.114.207> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 156d 16h 14m 18s ago, saying: 'i've cached 404 users, 399 unique users, distributed over 9 channels.'. Sep 21 10:55:53 ~seen retro|cz Sep 21 10:55:53 ErwinJunge, i have a very stupid problem :\ Sep 21 10:55:53 retro|cz is currently on #maemo (2h 59m 52s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen retro|cz'. Sep 21 10:56:33 gphoto2 seems to need root, but vumeter doesn't support "sudo command"... Sep 21 10:56:58 i created a bash script with sudo gphoto2, but vumeter does not run it :( Sep 21 10:58:27 uhm, i could start vumeter from root Sep 21 11:05:52 My N900 having a strange problem... it cannot be read by my computer now... Sep 21 11:06:10 i mean the fat partation. Sep 21 11:07:40 Is that possible the eMMc card dieing? Sep 21 11:07:49 fsck it :p Sep 21 11:08:26 Sicelo: well, I found I lost some images, is it better to do testdisk first? Sep 21 11:08:38 Sicelo: I mean photos ... Sep 21 11:09:02 thanks Sep 21 11:09:28 also fine, i think, as long as u do it at your own risk. where are you going to be saving to? Sep 21 11:10:24 I don't know, probably send to desktop via wifi Sep 21 11:10:44 just a minute, you will be running testdisk on N900, or from pc? Sep 21 11:11:04 Sicelo: I will try to run on N900 Sep 21 11:11:23 Sicelo: because PC even cannot recognizse the paratition. Sep 21 11:11:50 maybe wait for more experienced people here Sep 21 11:13:15 * Sicelo would fsck using BackupMenu. if testdisk needed, i would connect external drive via h-e-n, or use a memory card if the photos will fit in it Sep 21 11:16:08 thanks Sicelo Sep 21 12:21:38 i took N8 Sep 21 12:21:47 and i'll be doing ebay thing Sep 21 12:36:05 DocScrutinizer: well thing is, i paid "49.99" for the phone Sep 21 12:36:42 no, you paid for it each month with the fee for your plan Sep 21 12:37:15 jacekowski: N8 is worst deal you get from Nokia, for N900 repair Sep 21 12:37:35 well, i've looked at ebay Sep 21 12:37:42 N8 seems to be easiest thing to sell Sep 21 12:38:04 what is Nokia is doing is essentially: Oh, you sent me a petrol Land Rover for repair? Well, here is diesel SUV. Sep 21 12:42:14 I'd insist on a C7-00, seems it's worth a bit more, and should sell as well Sep 21 12:42:29 or even insist on N900 Sep 21 12:43:21 Nokia care just trying, so they save the few N900 they got for those few customers that insist in a getting a N900 back Sep 21 12:43:57 if you accept N8 then it's your own fault, as Nokia thinks they made you happy Sep 21 12:44:36 Why C7 vs. N8? They're both symbian... Sep 21 12:44:50 (i.e. not worthmuch) Sep 21 12:45:23 symbian is a very good os Sep 21 12:46:13 UI, not so much Sep 21 12:46:48 DocScrutinizer, E7, not C7 Sep 21 12:55:06 E7 is worse than N8 Sep 21 12:55:13 esspecialy in terms of ebay pricing Sep 21 12:55:51 E7 is which form factor? Sep 21 12:55:58 same as n8 Sep 21 12:56:00 candybar Sep 21 12:56:07 but with qwerty keyboard Sep 21 12:56:10 n8 with keyboard? Sep 21 12:56:26 (roughly) Sep 21 12:56:29 yeah Sep 21 12:56:33 slightly smaller battery Sep 21 12:56:35 worse camera Sep 21 12:56:47 need more n950 :P Sep 21 12:56:54 i think N8 was more like a toyphone while E7 was business Sep 21 12:59:09 n8 was cam centric Sep 21 12:59:27 e7 was business messaging centric Sep 21 13:00:14 can n8 charge via usb? Sep 21 13:01:11 it doesnt have 2.5mm iirc Sep 21 13:01:41 or was it one of the dual charging models :/ Sep 21 13:01:45 it does have Sep 21 13:02:18 Power Management Sep 21 13:02:18 2.0mm Charger Connector Sep 21 13:02:19 USB Charging Sep 21 13:09:18 grrr, be warned, Password Safe sometimes loses records :( Sep 21 13:09:59 why are there so many people in here ? Sep 21 13:14:48 jipiese: We're all insane. Sep 21 13:15:11 but there usually aren't that many Sep 21 13:15:41 yes there are. Sep 21 13:16:01 this just proves how many times i visit this place Sep 21 13:46:29 oh my god lcuk is gone?!!! tell me it's a joke Sep 21 13:51:26 TomaszD: unfortunately not Sep 21 13:53:28 damn Sep 21 13:53:31 TomaszD: It is not =( Sep 21 13:53:34 I remember meeting him Sep 21 13:53:43 showing his quirky liq apps Sep 21 14:00:48 hmm Sep 21 14:01:14 that n8 isn't too bad Sep 21 14:37:53 ale152: Did you get it to work with vumeter? (what is vumeter?) Sep 21 14:38:19 vumeter is the app with the sound command trigger Sep 21 14:38:30 it should trigger a command on a noise level Sep 21 14:38:47 but i have problems with root access that gphoto2 seems to require Sep 21 14:41:24 check out the tee command :/ Sep 21 14:43:09 not sure if it will help .. but notice this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7351957&postcount=12 Sep 21 14:43:33 it's not related to vumeter, but the principles may work Sep 21 14:45:33 ale152: Does gphoto2 require root access also without the camera attached for you? Since it doesn't for me. Sep 21 14:46:26 only on the n900 Sep 21 14:46:43 if i do "gphoto2" from the terminal, it gaves me "permission denied" Sep 21 14:46:49 a need to be root Sep 21 14:47:02 but on my desktop it doesn't require root access Sep 21 14:47:30 oh no, it simply says "gphoto2 not found" Sep 21 14:48:42 apt-cache gphoto returns nothing for me, with devel enabled Sep 21 14:49:32 Sicelo, it's not in repository Sep 21 14:49:46 you have to download from debian source and compile by yourself Sep 21 14:50:25 ErwinJunge, if i call "/usr/local/bin/gphoto2" it tells me permission denied Sep 21 14:51:13 ale152: try ls /usr/local/bin/gphoto2 Sep 21 14:51:39 uh, solved :D Sep 21 14:51:45 it was just a permission problem Sep 21 14:52:26 that's what I guessed, which is why I asked for the ls :) Sep 21 14:53:25 If you can get all of this fully working it might be worth it to package this for maemo (since it really requires near zero effort) Sep 21 14:54:40 i tried to package it, but i can't find dh_make on my scratch box (i installed it after my exam :D) Sep 21 14:55:26 hw, now it should work, but i forget h-e-n opened, and my camera killed my battery :( Sep 21 14:55:50 So back to charging again ;) Sep 21 14:56:50 I've never packaged anything for maemo, but since the source compiles without change, it shouldn't be too hard (possibly with some help from knowledgeable people in here) Sep 21 14:57:40 yes, charging again Sep 21 14:58:40 i should find a double usb cable, in order to use h-e-n and charge the phone at the same time Sep 21 14:59:24 ok, let's try wth 10% of battery! Sep 21 15:00:55 bad idea Sep 21 15:01:37 oh no Sep 21 15:01:43 it still require root acces to use the camera Sep 21 15:01:46 *res Sep 21 15:01:50 *ss Sep 21 15:03:05 ahohwaohwfoefwha Sep 21 15:03:08 it worked! \o/ Sep 21 15:03:15 just running vumeter as root :D Sep 21 15:04:06 yeah, it's working! Sep 21 15:04:20 but it has 10 sec of lag!! Sep 21 15:05:18 it' a gphoto2 problem, that each time try to connect to the camera and loads its driver Sep 21 15:12:11 "This delay is due to the camera loading the meta information of all images on the card. This is mostly unavoidable currently, otherwise we will not really find out the correct path of the captured image. " Sep 21 15:12:12 :( Sep 21 15:14:31 ale152: That sounds like the lag should only be in displaying the image on the phone, not in the actual capture Sep 21 15:15:06 the lag is between the gphoto2 command and the camera trigger Sep 21 15:29:49 ErwinJunge, i managed to reduce it to just 1" Sep 21 15:30:08 but it's abslolutely impossible to use it for high speed photography :) Sep 21 15:30:10 *:( Sep 21 15:30:24 i need an external device Sep 21 15:30:49 :) http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128305.500-nokia-app-powers-portable-brain-scanner.html Sep 21 15:32:37 ale152: high speed photography? you mean like exploding balloon type thing? Sep 21 15:32:49 yes Sep 21 15:32:58 it's very easy with an external sound trigger Sep 21 15:33:23 http://www.doc-diy.net/photo/sound_trigger/ Sep 21 15:33:39 but the n900/sw solution is too slow Sep 21 15:35:04 OkropNick: Very interesting development, but has already been discussed here :) see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-09-17.log.html#t2011-09-17T15:17:03 Sep 21 15:35:30 What kind of camera are you using for this? Sep 21 15:35:36 thanks, I'll check it Sep 21 15:39:20 for me the "too fast to capture on n900 camera" is my child :(. n900 camer is *so* slow, it takes picture about a second after I push the button Sep 21 15:43:38 edheldil: what ale152 is trying to do is use the n900 as a remote control for an external camera Sep 21 15:45:22 ah Sep 21 15:53:29 edheldil: even with pre-focusing? Sep 21 15:55:01 and yes, I did some gphoto stuff for automated 360° product scans, and it seems gphoto or probably the external cams are really slow regarding triggering via software Sep 21 15:55:48 I guess polling and interpreting the USB interface is not a very high priority task on such a camera Sep 21 15:56:07 lo javis.... Sep 21 15:57:20 ale152: Really interested in the type of camera you are trying this with :) Sep 21 16:11:44 ~ping Sep 21 16:11:45 ~pong Sep 21 16:14:16 can someone give me suggestions for something to write on? Sep 21 16:14:23 a tablet, with a pen Sep 21 16:14:34 the cheaper the better Sep 21 16:15:16 MohammadAG: if you find something decent, let me know Sep 21 16:16:47 frals, sure Sep 21 16:17:15 I have an LG LT-20 but it's pretty old and run down Sep 21 16:24:49 MohammadAG: http://img.tfd.com/wn/1D/6DB15-notepad.gif Sep 21 16:24:51 ;) Sep 21 16:24:59 Cheapest tablet with pen you'll find Sep 21 16:25:26 Generally in the $<1 range. Sep 21 16:26:15 ErwinJunge, seriously... Sep 21 16:26:21 I need it for uni, laptops don't cut it Sep 21 16:26:42 MohammadAG: If the smiley wasn't clear enough: j/k :) Sep 21 16:27:09 Serious answer: I have no idea Sep 21 16:27:27 ErwinJunge, I'm gonna need a refund on that second smiley Sep 21 16:27:34 cheap tablets are terrible Sep 21 16:27:43 but the cheapest I guess it's a Coby Kyros Sep 21 16:31:07 MohammadAG: How do you plan to handle the handwriting --> searchable text part of things? Sep 21 16:31:39 ErwinJunge, right now I'm in prestudies Sep 21 16:31:46 I'm taking hebrew so I could use it later on Sep 21 16:31:53 so I need a laptop for google translate and stuff Sep 21 16:32:12 I also need a notebook to write on to study for tests and such Sep 21 16:32:35 swapping between both is annoying, having one on your lap all the time's more annoying Sep 21 16:32:43 I could just switch windows on a tablet Sep 21 16:32:56 Maybe a convertible would be the best solution here? Sep 21 16:32:56 I don't care what OS it runs, as long as it has firefox + a note taking app Sep 21 16:33:16 yeah, one with a digitizer, not a capactive screen Sep 21 16:38:59 http://gizmodo.com/5842513/megapad-is-the-23+inch-android+based-tabletall+in+one-hybrid-nobody-asked-for Sep 21 16:41:35 if I were in the University again, I'd still use a normal notebook and a pencil Sep 21 16:47:36 Sc0rpius, took much swapping Sep 21 17:11:15 I wonder that if we make a Whatsapp client we'd get sued Sep 21 17:29:17 Sc0rpius, maybe Sep 21 17:29:25 but I'd be happy to assist Sep 21 17:30:27 well so far I know they created their own XMPP class called "FunXMPP" Sep 21 17:30:48 also I know they encrypt strings in the code using XOR with five different integers Sep 21 17:30:56 very easy to decrypt/simulate Sep 21 18:18:18 Sc0rpius: Interesting idea, I'd also be happy to assist Sep 21 18:20:48 Meanwhile: People trying to email information about the Wall Street protests on Monday using Yahoo mail, found themselves on the receiving end of messages from Yahoo claiming 'suspicious activity'. Sep 21 18:21:01 Regarding the "getting sued", I've been wondering about this for a while: What if someone anonymously leaked an open source anything that clearly infringes some sort of IP. It'd be impossible to sue, since you wouldn't know who did it. Everyone could still use it, since it's open source. Sep 21 18:21:32 Because it's opensource does not give you the rights to yse it Sep 21 18:21:43 you can't use a patented device for any pactical purpose Sep 21 18:21:47 Even a personal one. Sep 21 18:21:47 It'd be impossible to check. Sep 21 18:21:54 You can build it to determie that it works Sep 21 18:22:00 Well -yes Sep 21 18:22:04 Essentially, there's no one to sue Sep 21 18:22:26 The only downside: You'd never be able to take credit for all your hard work Sep 21 18:24:11 Could still be worth it from an "I hate software patents" point of view Sep 21 18:31:48 Afaiu anonymous code can't be open source. Sep 21 18:33:11 amiconn: Why not? If I create a brand new piratebay account and just dump the source there and do both of these things through tor, that's a pretty anonymous open source release. Sep 21 18:35:04 Open source licenses are still licenses, and only a copyright holder can specify the conditions under which the source code is distributed Sep 21 18:38:00 the thing is Sep 21 18:38:04 you can get the source of Whatsapp Sep 21 18:38:11 or something very similar to it Sep 21 18:38:23 with DEX2JAR first, and then JD-GUI to decompile it Sep 21 18:38:36 Whatsapp is a little obfuscated but the source is still pretty readable Sep 21 18:38:54 you can read the whole FunXMPP class Sep 21 18:38:57 and then port it Sep 21 18:39:04 and you'll get sued Sep 21 18:39:25 reverse engineering is a crime or something Sep 21 18:39:36 If you just find some leaked source which doesn't state both the license and the author(s), you can't do anything with it in public Sep 21 18:40:45 Yes. You can also get the source of something similar windows by feeding it through a disassembler/ decompiler. Same thing. Sep 21 18:41:21 *to windows Sep 21 18:43:17 hey all Sep 21 18:43:56 could someone please confirm that the signed short (8 bits int) goes from 0 to s^n-1 due to the fact it starts from Zero ? Sep 21 18:44:04 DocScrutinizer: ^ Sep 21 18:44:21 amiconn: Just make the code public domain then, no author neccesary. Sep 21 18:44:26 I am asking why the representation is always 2^n-1 Sep 21 18:45:00 sivang: since it's signed, shouldn't it go from -x to +x? Sep 21 18:45:54 or -x to +x+1 Sep 21 18:46:14 so in your case, -127 to +128 Sep 21 18:46:16 ErwinJunge: oops, unsigned Sep 21 18:46:24 ErwinJunge: Yes, I realize the signed case. Sep 21 18:46:51 So you want to know why s == 2? Sep 21 18:47:02 ErwinJunge: True public domain status is not possible in some countries (e.g. Germany and Austria) Sep 21 18:47:31 ErwinJunge: Signed char goes from -128 to +127 Sep 21 18:47:45 amiconn: The whole point is to just anonymously dump the code somewhere in plain sight, so there is no one to sue and everyone has the ability to use it. No laws required. Sep 21 18:47:49 ErwinJunge: well, since the 2^8 = 256, why they say it goes only until 255, e.g. 2^8-1 Sep 21 18:47:58 I used to know that, and forgot.. Sep 21 18:48:09 because it starts at 0, like everything should Sep 21 18:48:12 * sivang needs a new memory module. Sep 21 18:48:24 ErwinJunge: The point is that if it's anonymous, you cannot verify that you're allowed to use it at all Sep 21 18:48:47 ErwinJunge: right, as I said up and guessed, so how come I can give an unsigned short = 256; value? Sep 21 18:48:48 amiconn: It's impossible to check Sep 21 18:49:11 sivang: unsigned short is 16 bit Sep 21 18:49:13 because a short isn't neccesarily 8 bits Sep 21 18:49:15 ah shit Sep 21 18:49:16 okay Sep 21 18:49:21 :) Sep 21 18:49:29 so I will test this on a char, Sep 21 18:49:32 which must be 8 bits. Sep 21 18:49:33 Or at least it is on most systems Sep 21 18:49:41 again, not neccesarily 8 bits Sep 21 18:50:10 Yeah, just on most, as all the other datatypes Sep 21 18:50:29 on my system it is, how can I check how many bits it uses on my specific platform? Sep 21 18:50:36 There's much fun involved with plain C datatypes ;) Sep 21 18:50:48 C++ compiler did bale out, thanks for the help ErwinJunge now, it all makes sense. Sep 21 18:51:04 Official ANSI C spec: short int <= int <= long int Sep 21 18:51:06 amiconn: I know, that is why they star in job interviews and why I am asking :-p Sep 21 18:51:17 Notice the "or equal" Sep 21 18:53:09 And I keep forgetting the char one, it's either char is 1 byte, or byte is 1 char Sep 21 18:53:12 ErwinJunge: yeah Sep 21 18:53:28 char is one byte. Sep 21 18:53:31 almost everywhere I saw Sep 21 18:53:31 Char can be larger than one byte Sep 21 18:53:35 apart from on AS400 or so Sep 21 18:53:41 amiconn: unicode? Sep 21 18:53:48 amiconn: on unicode supporting systems? Sep 21 18:53:52 no Sep 21 18:53:56 how then? Sep 21 18:54:24 The point is ofc that 1 byte is not neccesarily the same as 8 bits ;) Sep 21 18:55:06 oh Sep 21 18:55:11 so in EBCIDIC Sep 21 18:55:14 like on the AS400 Sep 21 18:55:18 where a byte is 7 bits Sep 21 18:55:24 char!= byte ? Sep 21 18:55:27 * sivang is confuised Sep 21 18:55:34 and can't type as well Sep 21 18:55:38 Yes it is, but then it's a 7 bit datatype :) Sep 21 18:55:41 it is still a byte Sep 21 18:55:54 the extra bit is used for checksum Sep 21 18:55:54 0 to 127 Sep 21 18:56:08 RST38h: in EBCIDIC? Sep 21 18:56:09 Anyways, gentlemen, C/C++ char is 1 byte Sep 21 18:56:17 right! you see :) Sep 21 18:56:20 wchar_t is 2 bytes and used for Unicode Sep 21 18:56:32 Isn't C lovely? And by lovely I mean a terrible piece of shit with crappy non-portable unreliable type definitions. Sep 21 18:56:44 The difference between char and unsigned char (usually typedefed to "byte") is the sign Sep 21 18:57:04 Erwin: C islovely and not a terrible piece of shit Sep 21 18:57:23 Erwin:It fixes char type size to 1 byte to prevent bozos like you from writing incompatible code Sep 21 18:57:24 RST38h: But which defines the other? i.e. is 1 char defined as 1 byte in size, or is the size of a byte defined as the size of 1 char? Sep 21 18:57:50 Erwin: There is no "byte" type in C standard. There is only "char" type Sep 21 18:58:01 Erwin: and it has a size of 1 byte. Sep 21 18:58:20 Erwin: Have you got any further questions to the Captain? Sep 21 18:58:44 The size of types should be defined in bits, not bytes, to avoid confusion :) Sep 21 18:59:24 RST38h: where is that checksum used? is it in plain char in C/C++ ? Sep 21 18:59:27 Erwin: Invent a language and define sizes in bits there Sep 21 18:59:51 sivang: Checksums are often used for data transmissions over noisy lines Sep 21 19:00:08 sizeof(char) <= sizeof(short) <= sizeof(int) <= sizeof(long) <= sizeof(long long) Sep 21 19:00:10 RST38h: and the AS400 uses that for former modem communication it did? Sep 21 19:00:19 sivang: Of course Sep 21 19:00:30 RST38h: even today some banks in Israel use that.. Sep 21 19:00:31 :-p Sep 21 19:00:41 char is *at least* 8 bits, short and int are *at least* 16 bits, and long is *at least* 32 bits Sep 21 19:00:48 That's all that's guaranteed Sep 21 19:00:49 sivang: Well, Russian banks may still use KOI7 for money transfer messages Sep 21 19:00:50 RST38h: and that is why EBCIDIC char is 7bits? Sep 21 19:00:56 RST38h: LOL Sep 21 19:00:58 * sivang ROTFL Sep 21 19:02:34 sivang: It is 7 bits because the previous Baudat code was only 5 bits and could not fit allthe characters Sep 21 19:02:55 sivang: Also, Wiki claims that EBCDIC is in fact 8 bits, so they may have expanded it sometime Sep 21 19:03:43 Aha, posix mandates CHAR_BIT == 8. Otherwise there are several DSPs where CHAR_BIT == 16 or even CHAR_BIT ==32 Sep 21 19:05:58 RST38h: I see, thanks. Sep 21 19:15:37 Baudot code Sep 21 19:30:27 ping DocScrutinizer Sep 21 19:44:52 how do i sync the podcasts on my netbook with the gpodder on my n900? Sep 21 19:46:35 I use rsync Sep 21 19:52:22 SpeedEvil: after u copy to your n900 how do u get gpodder to see it? Sep 21 19:53:52 I don't use gpodder Sep 21 19:53:59 Sorry, I should have been clearer Sep 21 19:54:10 I use cuteexplorer, and just click on teh file I want to play Sep 21 19:54:23 I should investigate something else - but this works fine for me. Sep 21 20:17:06 Hi all Sep 21 20:17:24 my n900 wont boot. I power on it...after some time..it auto-powers off... Sep 21 20:17:42 90% of tries it doesn't boot,and 10% it does Sep 21 20:21:07 * Sicelo wonders if a corrupt FS could have a hand in that. I would backup first using BackupMenu Sep 21 20:22:59 * angelox|laptop had already flashed ~3 times and got the same problem every time Sep 21 20:23:43 battery problem maybe? Sep 21 20:23:56 possibly Sep 21 20:24:28 u also should review your dmesg output after boot :/ Sep 21 20:25:04 everything seems normal Sep 21 20:25:25 else some hangs on system showing something like "timeout waiting omap...",don't remember Sep 21 20:27:30 sorry i can't help further. but if your flash went find all these 3 times, i'd suspect hardware .. just my pov Sep 21 20:28:03 what about overclocking.. was the device ever subjected to it? Sep 21 20:29:39 no,never Sep 21 21:19:55 Did I miss the council election? Sep 21 21:20:10 I have a feeling I might have - apologies, has been busy at work Sep 21 21:20:23 abill_uk has been elected, crowned, deposed, and beheaded Sep 21 21:20:39 and drawn and quartered? ;) Sep 21 21:21:00 Frankly, beheading is quite sufficient,no need to get cruel and unusual here Sep 21 21:21:15 lol Sep 21 21:21:24 depends how many chops it takes I guess Sep 21 21:21:30 There is some possibility that he will continue posting even with his head off, but I am ready to take a chance Sep 21 21:21:41 reminds me of a Zoids comic Sep 21 21:23:27 http://www.zoidstar.com/09/index.html fwiw Sep 21 21:23:31 great comics :) Sep 21 21:23:43 RST38h: where? Sep 21 21:23:47 link pls Sep 21 21:24:23 Alptraum Sep 21 21:24:23 was yesterday or the day before yester this -> || close to ban him again Sep 21 21:34:01 chem|st: Be aware that he is posting headless! Like a headless chicken, you know Sep 21 21:34:31 * chem|st is aware Sep 21 23:13:59 sigh Sep 21 23:14:08 sure hope my buddy can fix my n900 Sep 21 23:14:12 i want it back badly Sep 21 23:14:28 what is brokend Sep 21 23:14:39 the usb port fell off Sep 21 23:15:16 i am waiting for a qwerty model on the ebay Sep 21 23:15:22 er Sep 21 23:15:27 n900 has a qwerty Sep 21 23:15:29 :) Sep 21 23:15:41 you mean an n950? Sep 21 23:15:45 good luck with that Sep 21 23:16:45 omg Sep 21 23:16:57 people are selling an N9 for $800+ on ebay? Sep 21 23:16:57 Macer: no, qwertz models are sold in germany Sep 21 23:17:01 talk about stoned Sep 21 23:17:05 without 4 arrow keys Sep 21 23:17:19 i was chatting elsewhere for a moment, i am sorry Sep 21 23:17:23 heh Sep 21 23:17:32 $875?! Sep 21 23:17:35 they're crazy :) Sep 21 23:17:40 what for Sep 21 23:17:46 a nokia N9 Sep 21 23:17:57 oh Sep 21 23:18:09 hello replacement n900 Sep 21 23:18:37 i will just stick with my n900 Sep 21 23:18:38 have overclocked n900s been breaking yet? Sep 21 23:18:48 don't know ... never really oc'd mine Sep 21 23:18:57 i'm sure some people here have them maxed out Sep 21 23:19:04 i have to wait for my usb port to get repaired Sep 21 23:19:27 it is too bad Sep 21 23:19:31 i've been using my G2 for months and wow what a piece of garbage that phone is Sep 21 23:19:36 nokia didn't really have to make a new OS Sep 21 23:19:50 maemo5 on omap4 would have been fine Sep 21 23:19:57 they didn't.. they bailed on it and started to use MS Sep 21 23:19:58 :) Sep 21 23:20:01 with a 4.5" screen and a 2000mAh battery Sep 21 23:20:15 yeah.. i still run maemo on my n900 Sep 21 23:20:28 although i've heard the meego-arm team has gotten mostly everything to work on the n900 Sep 21 23:20:43 i haven't tried it in months tho .. i am sure it needs a lot of work still.. but maemo worked great Sep 21 23:20:52 i would like the motorola droid 3 (dual core omap4) with maemo Sep 21 23:20:57 or meego even Sep 21 23:21:04 won't happen :( Sep 21 23:21:22 especially now that google owns motorola mobility Sep 21 23:21:45 i do not understand, they won't open the hardware to 3rd party OSes? Sep 21 23:21:51 4.5" is really too large :/ Sep 21 23:22:01 belsatsar: i doubt it Sep 21 23:22:20 nokia owns the n900 and it seems like the meego team had to pull teeth to get that to work Sep 21 23:22:43 i could only imagine trying to get it to run on something that isn't based on the OS... i really doubt they would open it up like that Sep 21 23:23:29 hmhm, can't one edit receiving mail server in modest account config? Sep 21 23:24:25 i have to admit tho... i really do like a lot of the android stuff Sep 21 23:24:28 my asus transformer is great :) Sep 21 23:24:40 probably the best netbook i've ever had Sep 21 23:27:17 how is the life of battery time Macer Sep 21 23:39:30 long with the keyboard attached Sep 21 23:39:51 i want to say with the keyboard attached it can easily last over 12 hours Sep 21 23:40:01 that sounds wonderful Sep 21 23:40:06 my thinkpad maxed at 8 Sep 21 23:40:15 now more like 2.5 Sep 21 23:40:41 i'd like to wait for some screens that can switch to sunlight-readble black/white Sep 21 23:41:53 transformer is a bit like the touchbook made right, isn't it? Sep 21 23:42:00 i can't open pics i took,filemanager shows empty folder. copied media files,neiter. http://identi.ca/conversation/84202959#notice-84212672 Sep 21 23:42:12 Corsac: that is exactly what i thought when i got it ;) Sep 21 23:42:17 it is a touchbook that doesn't totally suck Sep 21 23:42:26 well, it's a touchbook made Sep 21 23:42:28 :) Sep 21 23:42:56 detatchable keyboard that doesn't tip over .. an OS that actually works... etc :) Sep 21 23:55:53 Macer: is the umts version very expensive? i see like 600 euro Sep 21 23:56:20 i'd like an omap4 n810 Sep 22 00:22:23 will Recorder get both channels? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 22 02:59:56 2011