**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 23 02:59:56 2011 Sep 23 03:32:10 xwd is the xfree/xorg-distributed tool for that, import is the imagemagick-distributed tool which is quite a bit better Sep 23 03:33:53 jrayhawk, Thanks - I'd never heard of xwd. Sep 23 03:34:30 I have no idea where xwd is distributed in Maemo; I think it's in x11-apps if you have a debian chroot, though. Sep 23 03:34:58 Yup, I've got easy debian, and it's *great*! Sep 23 03:48:02 hi there. anyone got monitor mode going on the n950? :) Sep 23 04:06:58 * AndrewX192 kicks his autojoin Sep 23 05:52:46 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/via_technologies_sues_apple/ <-- hmm Sep 23 06:37:47 ruskie, although I don't mind apple being sued, that sure looks like a bullshit patent to me :-) Sep 23 06:49:02 hi Sep 23 06:49:31 I am seeking a program to count my daily data trrafic as widget Sep 23 06:49:37 any advice? Sep 23 06:51:31 citylights, something called personal dataplan monitor should be able to do that, I haven't tried it though Sep 23 06:53:13 mo Sep 23 06:53:16 oo Sep 23 07:00:17 thanks Sep 23 08:31:51 morning Sep 23 09:05:38 hi all Sep 23 09:05:48 is there any way to run android apps on n900? Sep 23 09:06:17 have seen this: http://www.golem.de/1102/81267.html Sep 23 09:28:17 vdv: alien dalvik? Didn't make much noise recently, dunno if it's dead or what. Basically it of course should run on meegoCE and possibly they could even port it to maemo fremantle and/or 'meego'(maemo)-harmattan Sep 23 09:29:22 maybe they stopped the project when Nokia stopped meego Sep 23 09:29:50 meego is stopped? Sep 23 09:30:03 nokia is brilliant in shooting their own foot Sep 23 09:31:00 vdv: well, afaik Nokia isn't participating in "true meego" since err february or sth Sep 23 09:31:33 but meego is still developed, not? Sep 23 09:32:14 git commits are still going on Sep 23 09:33:03 meego will always undergo development Sep 23 09:33:20 but without devices from big manufacturers for it... Sep 23 09:33:25 "true" meego been continued by intel - not for handsets though, but lately rumour has it they also stop that Sep 23 09:34:52 while Nokia basically just tagged the meego boilerplate to their maemo6-harmattan and bastardized it so it looks like meego a bit Sep 23 09:37:21 is it somehow possible to install Foxit Reader on n900? Sep 23 09:41:49 oh nice Sep 23 09:42:15 oh ignore that, i should stfu Sep 23 10:49:22 Hi, i'm interested into a used N900, but i've some questions about the available software for maemo. Can i compile software, on the go, for the platform itself? And is there a newsreader(usenet) who can post? Sep 23 10:51:15 bebna, yes you can compile, but takes a bit of work to get stuff setup for compiling. Dunno about newsreader Sep 23 10:52:55 bebna, to get complete build environment etc you can run debian in chroot, but for just compiling you can install the tools directly on the device. Sep 23 10:53:08 mece: fine, i'm an arch user, work to get stuff working doesn't trouble me. Sep 23 10:53:15 :) Sep 23 10:53:57 mece: thanks for ure help, now i have to wait to my next income to get some available cash -.-* Sep 23 10:54:29 mece: do u use the n900= Sep 23 10:54:31 *? Sep 23 10:54:48 bebna, yep. Although I use N950 as primary device atm Sep 23 10:55:35 bebna, N900 is a linux box, so you'll feel right at home. Sep 23 10:56:36 bebna, down sides as I see it are small rootfs space and only 256Mb ram Sep 23 10:57:28 swap can be adjusted as one please tho. Sep 23 10:57:49 mece: yeah the ram, this troubles mee too, my motorola droid/milestone with also 265mb ram gets often in trouble Sep 23 11:00:10 bebna, ram doesn't really cause problems if you're carefull with which programs you run together, but swap is slow and painful. Sep 23 11:00:36 usually browsing some heavy sites while doing other stuff cause problems Sep 23 11:03:31 mece: so running a email app and for example some calcsheet application is ok? Sep 23 11:07:18 should, if it's not OOcalc Sep 23 11:09:33 bebna: just one thing - take damn care about your USB receptacle! Sep 23 11:10:07 it's the one known major cause of fatalities on N900 Sep 23 11:10:13 ~usbfix Sep 23 11:10:13 rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Sep 23 11:12:30 bebna, yeah. Not that the email app is very good. The multitasking is superb actually, but when you run out of memory things get slow. Sep 23 11:13:31 when I code on device I usually have 3 terminals, 2 browser windows and a couple of editors open. Things are usually smooth since reference manuals are not ajax bloated horrors like most social media sites. Sep 23 11:13:54 hmm, this sounds good enough Sep 23 11:15:48 bebna, http://twitpic.com/3o2b6e/full Sep 23 11:15:55 there's been a silly "competition" once where some user bragged about his 11 open windows on symbian. A N900 user answered with some 150 open windows, all responsive and functional Sep 23 11:16:11 DocScrutinizer, lol Sep 23 11:17:42 mece: i googled after ur N950, now i hate the nokia marketing Sep 23 11:18:24 I made an auction site in django for a course I took and wrote the thing on device, and used the device itself as the server too. That was pretty cool :) Sep 23 11:19:18 bebna, here's a screenshot from that thing http://twitpic.com/4exl1a :D fun times. Sep 23 11:20:18 I can't recall the exact numbers of open apps/windows anymore, neither am I sure if it was symbian. The rest is a true story Sep 23 11:21:06 DocScrutinizer, hahaha Sep 23 11:21:31 coding a django app on the go, is something i was dreaming before i got the milestone -.-* Sep 23 11:21:37 bebna: you possibly don't like N950. I don't. It's less of a linux feeling than android, thanks the aegis MSSF Sep 23 11:21:47 bebna, yeah N950 is pretty sweet. Harmattan tho is less of a hacker device. Sep 23 11:22:37 DocScrutinizer: what is aegis MSSF? I only has seen the nice design and the 1gb ram spec Sep 23 11:22:43 ~aegis Sep 23 11:22:43 from memory, aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or ... Sep 23 11:23:21 bebna, it means it's locked down somewhat. You can however install meego ce on it which is completely unlocked Sep 23 11:23:24 or - very simply - root got neutered Sep 23 11:23:31 It depends. Sep 23 11:23:36 SpeedEvil, depends? Sep 23 11:23:44 If you're just using the platform, it's not much of an issue. Sep 23 11:23:54 well the point is moot since you can't actually buy an N950 Sep 23 11:24:01 If you're trying to develop, it varies between an inconvenience, and a showstopper. Sep 23 11:24:17 mece: 2500 euro to my swiss account, sorted. Sep 23 11:24:22 (not really) Sep 23 11:24:34 and N9 doesn't have keyboard, so that's not really an option for hacking Sep 23 11:24:45 and you can't install a SDK of any kind without getting massive headache and binaries that can't execute Sep 23 11:24:51 The n950 keyboard is fairly dissapointing. Sep 23 11:25:00 SpeedEvil, I think it's pretty nice Sep 23 11:25:09 mece: Maybe I need to get used to it more. Sep 23 11:25:27 I find the n900 vastly more usable, as I can tell where my fingers are. Sep 23 11:25:27 SpeedEvil, I'm faster on N900 still, but I've been using that every day for almost 2 years Sep 23 11:25:34 no, N950 hwkbd is crap, due to missing convex keycaps Sep 23 11:25:39 I suppose it is anunfair comparison. Sep 23 11:25:45 SpeedEvil, I think the problem is that the OS isn't very adapted to using the keyboard Sep 23 11:25:51 Afterall, I did spend a week with my 900 as my primary computer Sep 23 11:25:53 guys, i know the bold 9000 keyboard and now use the cheep calculater like keyboard on the milestone Sep 23 11:25:55 mece ++ Sep 23 11:26:04 Doc: worksforme Sep 23 11:26:05 SpeedEvil, yeah, me too, more than one week though :) Sep 23 11:26:16 SpeedEvil, what's disappointing is that I couldn't do the same with the N950. Sep 23 11:26:28 I rarely bother to open the keyboard unless I'm in xterm, since it doesn't have åäö which I need Sep 23 11:26:35 mece: Well - that bit I don't so much care about. - adaption Sep 23 11:26:58 Venemo: but that is a fair point - it would have been difficult to do the things that I can do with the n900 with the n950. Sep 23 11:27:07 I I find the onscreen buttons in the meego-terminal rather hard to hit though Sep 23 11:27:18 Though there are more apps in the ovi store than in all n900 repos. Sep 23 11:27:18 SpeedEvil, yeah, which is very unfortunate Sep 23 11:27:26 SpeedEvil, I agree. On device developing is a bitch Sep 23 11:27:52 SpeedEvil: 5000 fart apps, different sound - great Sep 23 11:27:56 SpeedEvil, Qml coding works pretty well tho Sep 23 11:28:07 Ok, so the n950 is for me as a coder a pain? Sep 23 11:28:13 yes Sep 23 11:28:14 with khteditor and my runqml app Sep 23 11:28:15 DocScrutinizer: Naah - not that advanced. Sep 23 11:28:22 DocScrutinizer: 5000 RSS feeds Sep 23 11:28:25 20 actual apps Sep 23 11:28:34 (numbers somewhat made up) Sep 23 11:28:36 bebna, if you want to use it as your computer it's not very convenient. It's marvelous as a phone tho Sep 23 11:29:17 On actual apps I've found useful, or at least interesting. Sep 23 11:29:24 mece: I've seen better phones, way better and years ago Sep 23 11:30:29 DocScrutinizer, meh Sep 23 11:30:36 Angry Birds - though I can't buy the full version. Phone Torch - though a way to access it via a button would be nice. Compass, Recorder, Camera Pro Sep 23 11:31:12 how is the n900 as phone? can it stay a day with ~10 sms, twitter or mails? Sep 23 11:31:20 bebna: Easily Sep 23 11:31:22 bebna, yep Sep 23 11:31:36 bebna: If used just as a phone/text platform, expect battery life of several days Sep 23 11:31:41 -twitter maybe Sep 23 11:31:45 (unless you're on the phone >1/2 hour a day Sep 23 11:31:46 bebna, online with more than 2 im's on 3g might struggle to hold a day. Sep 23 11:31:51 if you use it alot Sep 23 11:32:08 my telephone usage is at 50mins a month Sep 23 11:32:12 lol Sep 23 11:32:16 yeah. If you've got 3g data up - and it's used more than once every 5 minutes - forget it. Sep 23 11:32:22 bebna: Ah - a heavy user then. Sep 23 11:32:32 sms, mails, and twitter are the most used ways Sep 23 11:32:35 (I think I've made 5 calls on my n900) Sep 23 11:32:55 twitter clients are not superb. except tweed suit that is ;) Sep 23 11:33:08 I'm not doing many calls, like once each other day, but that "just works" Sep 23 11:33:22 shameless advertising above ^ Sep 23 11:33:29 On an unrelated matter. Sep 23 11:33:34 I must say Nokia did a good job with the N950/N9 battery though Sep 23 11:33:47 MohammadAG, Mine never stays the day Sep 23 11:33:56 recall recording all my calls automatically :-) . Advanced call log comes quite complementary to the core functions Sep 23 11:33:58 mece, what?! Sep 23 11:33:58 MohammadAG, I dunno what I'm doing wrong Sep 23 11:34:03 Other than openstreetmap, which is a good project which I've contributed a lot to. Are there any offline mapping applications that can be purchased that might in principle run on the n9? Sep 23 11:34:04 mine's been on since yesterday Sep 23 11:34:11 I have 3 email accounts, checked every 30min,s 5-10 calls inboud/outbound a day, a few SMS, and maybe an IM over gtalk, easily last a day, if I use maps for a 40min drive then I won't Sep 23 11:34:14 (no charges) Sep 23 11:34:35 zutesmog: Though a car-charger fixes that Sep 23 11:34:42 zutesmog, which device? Sep 23 11:35:05 I've learned to use my N900 in a way that it always survives the day. Sep 23 11:35:20 I guess I haven't yet with n950 Sep 23 11:35:27 my n900 survives for some 4-5 days between charges Sep 23 11:35:32 I've learned to swap batteries on the N900 Sep 23 11:35:36 ruskie, are you offline? Sep 23 11:35:38 yeah. though I don't have one. I can still get there and back with the maps, then need to stick it on the charger. (My daughter has a cheap car/usb charger but it doesn't work with the N900, trying to find a genuine one locally, will have to go online ;-) Sep 23 11:35:42 but that's not possible on the N950 without removing screws Sep 23 11:35:51 mece, autodisconnect after 10 minutes Sep 23 11:35:58 ruskie, I guess that helps Sep 23 11:36:03 (battery life) it's *ALL* about frequency of 2G/3G data transfer Sep 23 11:36:08 ruskie, as I said I don't really have a problem Sep 23 11:36:11 I turn wifi off when I am out too, that helps Sep 23 11:36:17 and auto switch to 2g unless needing data Sep 23 11:36:28 wifi as also always off Sep 23 11:36:29 and blutooth is never on, unless I am actually using it. Sep 23 11:36:44 a "ping 8.8.8.8" will kill your battery on any phone in just 2..3h, when you're conected via 3G Sep 23 11:36:49 but it works the way I want it an how I want it Sep 23 11:37:01 which is the most important thing Sep 23 11:37:30 I left an N900 at work with tweedsuit running with 4 autoupdating columns with notifications on 3g, it lasted for ca 50 hours Sep 23 11:37:38 My wifes HTC Desire Z has worse battery life than the N900, and she does a lot less with it. Sep 23 11:38:19 ruskie, yep. I think most here agree that N900 is a sweet sweet device :) Sep 23 11:38:19 mece, hehe I don't do any tweeting and any "following" I do is through plain old rss running in a web based rss reader on my server Sep 23 11:38:20 mece: this seems more than my now high optimized milestone will stand on standy with 2g Sep 23 11:38:27 DocScrutinizer: More like 6 hours on 3G, and 9 nours on 2G Sep 23 11:38:34 (if the screen is off) Sep 23 11:38:39 SpeedEvil: depends Sep 23 11:38:44 At one ping a second, it doesn't go to 3.5G Sep 23 11:38:55 (and you're in a moderate signal area) Sep 23 11:39:00 yes Sep 23 11:39:04 that's the point Sep 23 11:39:16 bebna, well as I said the phone was idle, and only updated twitter columns (feed, mentions and 2 search columns) every 10-20 minutes. Sep 23 11:39:21 TX can work @ 2W or @ 50mW Sep 23 11:39:46 On a related matter - where is tha phone antenna in the n950 Sep 23 11:39:57 bottom, as usual Sep 23 11:39:58 SpeedEvil, it's on the bottom Sep 23 11:40:04 mece: i get 2 and a half day with "only idle" Sep 23 11:40:34 SpeedEvil, you loose 2 bars if you put your finger on the bottom Sep 23 11:40:35 mece: every 10 minutes is no issue at all Sep 23 11:40:56 DocScrutinizer, I know. I actually just wanted to test if my program was a battery hog. Sep 23 11:41:16 but moving around in poor signal areas while online eats a lot of batteries Sep 23 11:41:18 and frankly I don't consider modest to be of sufficient quality to be usable to even remotely check emails... the jabber email notifications make sense... to a point Sep 23 11:41:34 ruskie, the what? Sep 23 11:41:35 IRC however, with its several small inbound pkgs / second, can possibly cut through a bat in a few hours Sep 23 11:41:38 DocScrutinizer: 10min update rates are now trouble for you? i want to have the same feeling -.-* Sep 23 11:42:14 mece, ? I get mail notification via jabber Sep 23 11:42:16 DocScrutinizer: how about ssh->screen->irc Sep 23 11:42:29 dunno, never tested it Sep 23 11:42:29 but frankly the jabber client on the n900 is crap as well Sep 23 11:42:39 DocScrutinizer, if on irc or im's I get decent battery life if on 2g. On 3g it's dead pretty quick Sep 23 11:42:50 yep, same here Sep 23 11:43:17 I get ~1day standby on IRC with some 10 chan open Sep 23 11:43:31 hmm I'd probably get 1 hour then or so Sep 23 11:43:37 DocScrutinizer, that's pretty great actually Sep 23 11:43:39 sometimes, when channels are rather quiet Sep 23 11:44:11 yay rain Sep 23 11:44:13 when there's a lot of joins/quits/renames then it stays only 6h maybe Sep 23 11:44:17 yay sunshine! Sep 23 11:44:33 DocScrutinizer: can u hide them? Sep 23 11:44:53 doesn't help, as the data gets transmitted nevertheless Sep 23 11:45:04 I could filter them at my irc bouncer Sep 23 11:45:15 DocScrutinizer: i don't like these, this is my intention Sep 23 11:45:30 I could also aggregate data on my bouncer to send only one large pkg every 30s Sep 23 11:46:04 or I could use ssh and irssi Sep 23 11:46:06 DocScrutinizer: this sounds nice, which bouncer can do this? Sep 23 11:46:34 none I know of, unless you write your own plugin Sep 23 11:46:52 ShadowJK did some tricks for aggregating data though Sep 23 11:47:13 dunno exactly what he did, think it's been some netfilter hack or sth Sep 23 11:48:06 wtf? death by spontaneous combstion case in ireland! Sep 23 11:48:11 I blame cern Sep 23 11:48:23 hmm, if i have to code my own, a client&server solution sounds better for me (battery wise) Sep 23 11:48:30 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ircpowersave.sh.txt Sep 23 11:48:45 * DocScrutinizer now goes looking into that URL ;-D Sep 23 11:49:16 yeah, iptables, knew it Sep 23 11:50:45 bebna, well regardless, I can recommend the N900 with all my heart. I absolutely love it. Sep 23 11:51:21 I'm out. toodles Sep 23 11:51:46 mece: thx Sep 23 11:52:02 irccloud might be an alternative Sep 23 11:52:34 * bebna has also to go to get some food Sep 23 11:54:01 * DocScrutinizer hmmm's and ponders to augment ShadowJK 's ircpowersave script to a decent tool, with cmdline parameters, cleanup on exit, adaptive inverval based on a list of highlight regex that cause immediate transmission and reduction of sleep interval and also add other temporary highlight regex dynamically so you could follow a topic thread or chat, when one of the chatters mentions a certain anchor highlight regex Sep 23 11:54:37 s/inver/inter/ Sep 23 11:54:50 errrr? Sep 23 11:54:58 ~ping Sep 23 11:54:59 ~pong Sep 23 11:55:07 wtf? Sep 23 11:55:40 aaah /action Sep 23 11:56:10 ~botsnack Sep 23 11:56:10 :), DocScrutinizer Sep 23 12:28:36 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/ms_denies_uefi_lock_in/ Sep 23 12:30:30 hello Sep 23 12:32:05 i finally end make my n900 useless right now , trying flash eMMC and because of they hardware problem it not complete the process and endup with no image found in all widget of the interfase Sep 23 12:32:16 and without any texture Sep 23 12:33:03 so , i want donate that hardware ( i think part of it still work ) for somebody that is working in something for the community and will make some use Sep 23 12:33:05 hi there Sep 23 12:33:06 of it Sep 23 12:39:54 e0x: What happened before you flashed it? Sep 23 12:40:10 e0x: Also - where are you? Sep 23 12:40:17 is there a flasher-3.5_*.deb for x86_64? I can only find 32 bits versions on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php, and the amd64 ones seems to be for n950/n9 Sep 23 12:40:43 SpeedEvil: SpeedEvil SOMETHING_ERROR_I_DONT_REMEMBER_NOW error code 3 Sep 23 12:41:01 and end fast Sep 23 12:41:10 amd64 us x86_64 Sep 23 12:41:12 is Sep 23 12:41:40 #1 run flash , #2 show some progress , #3 give you the error and end ( all this happen fast in a few seconds Sep 23 12:41:43 ) Sep 23 12:41:53 e0x: :/ Where are you? Sep 23 12:42:01 Dominican Republic Sep 23 12:42:13 Arkenoi: I know, but there's only a 64 bits flasher version for n950/n9 Sep 23 12:42:20 the n900 one seems to be 32 bits only Sep 23 12:42:25 or maybe I missed something :) Sep 23 12:43:20 aki, force it, and there's no reason the flasher for N950 shouldn't work on an N900 Sep 23 12:44:11 hm, ok Sep 23 12:44:30 just got it, was supposed to be new, but there's a bunch of data on it Sep 23 12:44:36 so I just want a clean maemo 5 install Sep 23 12:44:47 but I don't want to brick it yet :) Sep 23 12:45:26 so the 32 bits package should work on x86_64 Sep 23 12:47:50 $ flasher-3.5 2>&1 | head -1 Sep 23 12:47:50 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Sep 23 12:47:53 looks happy enough Sep 23 12:49:26 aki, it should work, but you should install the 32bit dependencies for it. Sep 23 12:50:03 ok Sep 23 12:50:14 one last, I see that I've got 20.2010.36-2 running, how do I check if I have the usa version or the global one, if I want the same? (and does it matter?) Sep 23 12:50:49 doesn't really matter much Sep 23 12:52:01 ok, thanks Sep 23 12:52:03 global then :) Sep 23 12:55:12 argh, I'm testing USB networking on my N800 and I find this weird situation: N800's PINGs reach my Linux box, ARPs get even answered, but not ECHOs go back and pinging from Linux to N800 gives me a sendmsg: Operation not permitted Sep 23 12:55:29 running Debian stable, and no ipmasq seems to be even related Sep 23 12:57:02 seems like I had the UK one Sep 23 13:11:49 hm Sep 23 13:13:21 is flashing with half a battery really a bad idea, is it used for initial calibrating or anything like that? or is the warning just there to prevent people to try to flash it with 2% of battery? :) (I don't have my charger here...) Sep 23 13:13:52 half is fine Sep 23 13:14:10 cool, thanks Sep 23 13:14:21 and yes Sep 23 13:14:48 :) Sep 23 13:19:16 does the n900 not use the usb port to charge the battery? Sep 23 13:19:31 yes it does Sep 23 13:32:39 bebna, e0x: have you used USB networking on Maemo? Sep 23 13:33:16 i'm planning to buy a n900, my question was really a question and not a hint. Sep 23 13:45:38 flashed vanilla and combined, worked like a charm, thanks everyone Sep 23 13:48:59 aki: Congrats! Sep 23 13:49:42 :) Sep 23 13:49:48 SpeedEvil: happy with your n950? Sep 23 13:50:06 (saw you talk about it on ##electronics a few weeks ago) Sep 23 13:50:29 aki: I haven't had as much time as I would like to do stuff with it as I had hoped. :( Sep 23 13:50:36 aki: The hardware is awesome. Sep 23 13:51:02 cool :) Sep 23 13:51:04 (barring niggles like the keyboard keys being flat, and there being only one colour of notification LED) Sep 23 13:51:48 had a 770 a few years back, and just got a (more or less) new n900 Sep 23 13:51:59 it's really awesome, and I'm impressed with the latest maemo release Sep 23 14:47:00 yo Sep 23 14:47:15 what is the /sys entry for the back cover? Sep 23 14:47:21 of the n900 Sep 23 14:48:57 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Rear_cover_presence_switch Sep 23 14:49:02 And I see I've not filled it in Sep 23 14:49:03 meh Sep 23 14:50:44 (niggles) and the capacitive ts of course, which defeats sane text highlighting - just to mention one area where it sucks Sep 23 15:09:35 It's crucial that "ircpowersave" runs on the bouncer host ;-) Sep 23 15:10:06 thought as much Sep 23 15:10:43 what exactly does it do? Sep 23 15:10:57 btw DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil Sep 23 15:11:11 the N950 seems to use the screen for double taps, not the accelerometer Sep 23 15:11:19 yep Sep 23 15:12:16 MohammadAG, blocks bouncer -> N900 IRC for 60s, unblocks and waits for retransmissions to complete Sep 23 15:12:36 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/lte_patent_pie/ Sep 23 15:13:00 my idea that it was the accel was based on the fact that unlock didn't work when I placed the device on a flat surface. Related though to the c-ts issues I got when not "grounding" my body by touching the device case Sep 23 15:17:55 DocScrutinizer, doesn't that rape the battery? Sep 23 15:18:44 depends if the accelerometer would be independently moniytoring for doubletap and waking up cpu with an irq Sep 23 15:19:00 or if cpu had to stream accelermeter and monitor it itself Sep 23 15:19:23 MohammadAG: Any news on sociality? I only just installed it and from the screenshots on tmo it looks like exactly what I want, but as I understand a Qt update broke it? Sep 23 15:19:48 no, a facebook update broke sign in Sep 23 15:19:55 it can be easily fixed, just haven't got around to it Sep 23 15:20:58 Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying Sep 23 15:22:44 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/netherlands_3g_ban/ Sep 23 15:49:49 MohammadAG: Could you give me a small tip as to what the problem is? I'd be willing to fix it myself and send you a patch. Sep 23 15:50:30 If I manually reconstruct the login url and put that in my browser on my laptop it works, so wondering why it's not working in your app. Sep 23 15:51:06 ErwinJunge, don't need a patch Sep 23 15:51:15 just remove &display=touch from the login url Sep 23 15:52:27 If that's the fix, it's still odd that it works with &display=touch on my laptop. Sep 23 15:53:52 not webkit based I guess Sep 23 15:54:22 chromium Sep 23 15:55:07 Anyways, I'll try it when I get home. Don't have scratchbox available here. Sep 23 15:57:55 ErwinJunge, safari webkit Sep 23 15:57:59 put the iPhone user agent Sep 23 16:00:57 my current user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/13.0.782.215 Chrome/13.0.782.215 Safari/535.1 Sep 23 16:03:22 Switching user agent to the one used on the N900 doesn't break it. Sep 23 16:04:02 ErwinJunge, the one used on the iPhone (in Qt WebKit) is fairly similar to that on the iPhone Sep 23 16:04:08 so use the iPhone's agent Sep 23 16:05:38 Still not broken Sep 23 16:05:50 Maybe it's a prob with Qt WebKit? Sep 23 16:19:10 I'm off, I'll let you know later if it worked :) Sep 23 18:09:12 Is there some way to get pidgin to actually reconnect following a change in network source, e.g. Moving from wifi to 3g? Sep 23 18:20:26 texasmynsted: there probably is Sep 23 18:21:42 a script in /etc/network/if-up.d which runs purple-remote setstatus?status=offline and purple-remote setstatus?status=online. Just need to know 3G interface name. Sep 23 18:21:59 gprs0 ? Sep 23 18:22:28 hm. Sep 23 18:22:39 ifconfig -a Sep 23 18:22:41 to list the lot Sep 23 18:23:07 i know... :-) Sep 23 18:23:29 but we actually don't need to know the interface name Sep 23 18:23:55 A wiki page or something with details? Sep 23 18:24:48 This seenms like it would come up often... Sep 23 18:24:57 doubtful Sep 23 18:25:24 unless it's on tmo already mentioned you're the first that I recall after nearly two years Sep 23 18:25:34 Oh Sep 23 18:25:36 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gsCzKdu8 put this in /etc/network/if-up.d/pidgin, chmod +x /etc/network/if-up.d/pidgin and give it a try. Sep 23 18:25:58 :-) Sep 23 18:26:00 Ty Sep 23 18:26:07 but feel free to search the wiki or create the relevant page Sep 23 18:26:23 a bit lame because it'll be executed everytime a interface gets up. Sep 23 18:27:01 But that is the point right? Sep 23 18:27:42 argh it won't work Sep 23 18:27:57 because scripts in ip-up.d are runned as root. Sep 23 18:28:31 NIN101, does the remote use dbus? Sep 23 18:28:32 so wait... :-) Sep 23 18:28:36 yes. Sep 23 18:28:45 then wouldn't adding that script to load all the relevant bits help? Sep 23 18:28:51 forget which one it is Sep 23 18:29:09 su - user -c "purple-remote setstatus?status=online" Sep 23 18:29:21 I really want to kill the stupid moron that put busybox in the N900 Sep 23 18:29:29 and I actually think the guy who developed busybox deserves to die Sep 23 18:30:26 user:/home/user/MyDocs/OpenVPN> sudo /sbin/route add -net 216.22.95.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.208.218.1 Sep 23 18:30:26 route: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable Sep 23 18:30:26 user:/home/user/MyDocs/OpenVPN> sudo ping 10.208.218.1 Sep 23 18:30:26 PING 10.208.218.1 (10.208.218.1): 56 data bytes Sep 23 18:30:26 64 bytes from 10.208.218.1: seq=0 ttl=254 time=129.456 ms Sep 23 18:30:37 just for THAT he deserves a really painful death. Sep 23 18:32:27 NIN101, I was more thinking: run-standalone.sh purple-remote setstatus?status=online Sep 23 18:33:38 if it switches the user, then it's ok. Sep 23 18:33:47 shouldn't need to Sep 23 18:33:51 just needs to set the right dbus Sep 23 18:34:07 Hmmm. Sep 23 18:40:41 texasmynsted: online must be replaced with "available" Sep 23 18:47:53 hi, i'm developing a program for the n900 with Qt and have found that when i open two different QWidgets they both appear the going to the "window summary" (not sure what is the correct name of that) Sep 23 18:48:15 do you guys know a way to make only the content of the "last" window show there? Sep 23 18:48:40 I could use a QStackedWidget and then only use one main window and flip between widgets Sep 23 18:48:47 but seems like a hack Sep 23 19:55:06 NIN101: isn't run-standalone.sh for exactly that? Sep 23 19:55:28 (instead sudo - user) Sep 23 19:57:08 Tscheesy: I think that's exactly the suggested way Sep 23 19:57:39 Tscheesy: sorry ETAB Sep 23 19:57:54 tsdg grr Sep 23 20:00:57 DocScrutinizer: hmm ok. I didn't know tbh :-). Sep 23 20:01:18 ;-D Sep 23 20:36:48 if I do the "hold U" upgrade process, can I get out of it by removing battery and rebooting, if I don't run flasher.exe? Sep 23 20:41:34 u should, yes, but i think it's a bad habit :p Sep 23 20:42:18 I need to figure out what version of libusb I have Sep 23 20:42:34 as according to the forums, you can't flash eMMC with Win7 64-bit Sep 23 20:43:44 i understand there are problems, yes, but u can always get away with it via a linux live cd. i know Knoppix can do it for you Sep 23 20:44:18 sorry, what I meant is, that it works perfectly for me, but I have no idea how i did it (set it up ages ago) Sep 23 20:44:36 ok :P Sep 23 20:44:43 so i'm trying to figure which version of libusb from my downloads folder was the one that I used Sep 23 20:44:53 Atarii: stopping the flashing mode "Nokia + USB icon" is simple, just unplug device Sep 23 20:45:04 ok thanks Sep 23 20:45:12 * Sicelo is no more a windows user .. and doesn't think libusb is on Win7, or is it ;) Sep 23 20:58:53 my turn to ask: it's more a networking problem, it seems - i have debian on two of my machines. also a wifi dongle. settinng up an ad-hoc connection betwen n900 and either machine results in pc getting 10.42.43.1 and n900 10.42.43.64 as ip addresses. this gives rise to a situation where i have to ssh-keygen -R 10.42.43.1 on the N900 to be able to ssh to the PCs, because keys are different, but ip is the same. i really wouldn't like to use static ip if at Sep 23 21:04:26 damn you random libusb folder with random installer_x64.exe, that I have no idea where you came from Sep 23 21:07:12 ah, so there is libusb for windows, sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/ Sep 23 21:07:36 yes Sep 23 21:08:03 Sicelo: use same key on both PC, where's the problem? Sep 23 21:08:52 i am ssh'ing with N900 to the pc. N900 is the client Sep 23 21:09:20 sure Sep 23 21:09:51 so you add N900's public key to allowed_hosts of both PCs and done you are, no? Sep 23 21:11:01 i haven't yet set up keys, but using passwords Sep 23 21:11:32 err authorized_keys Sep 23 21:11:45 i get fingerprint authentication ...etc, hence the need for ssh-keygen _R Sep 23 21:11:59 well, so your problem is the changing host auth key? Sep 23 21:12:07 yes Sep 23 21:12:13 ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l user IroN900 Sep 23 21:12:40 aha, i think that's the one :) Sep 23 21:15:50 thanks. just what i needed (to rtfm) Sep 23 21:16:09 ~rtfm Sep 23 21:16:09 rumour has it, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM Sep 23 21:17:45 grep -v "10.42.43.1" known_hosts >kh && mv kh known_hosts Sep 23 21:17:53 might also help a bit Sep 23 21:18:13 or just comment it out Sep 23 21:18:56 (and after ssh added the new key you can un-comment the old one in case you still need it) Sep 23 21:19:19 I prefer the above -o options to ssh though, as you can forget about known_hosts with that. (you can set up same options in ssh's config files) Sep 23 21:19:41 yeah ok thats another way... Sep 23 21:20:35 http://www.ezepic.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/z%C3%A1szl%C3%B3fail.jpg Sep 23 21:21:00 * Sicelo likes the -o way. i find keeping track of auth keys a bit overkill Sep 23 22:17:50 wow alot more people in here then i thought there would be Sep 23 22:18:07 just researching abit, looking into buying an n900 :) Sep 23 22:18:19 :) Sep 23 22:31:19 HyperSnyper: did you say same thing before? Or is that my deja vu? Sep 23 22:33:16 first time i've connected to this network Sep 23 22:33:33 just started looking into them today Sep 23 22:36:27 :-) then there was someone like you in here not long ago Sep 23 22:36:48 heh, fair enough. do you own a n900 ? Sep 23 22:36:57 yoh, 2 Sep 23 22:37:06 any words of wisdom to share before i buy ? Sep 23 22:37:18 and two n810, and a n950 Sep 23 22:37:18 going to be spending about £150 on arefurb one Sep 23 22:37:54 watch out for the USB receptacle Sep 23 22:37:54 already got debian server, debian NAS, and tuxbox based sat reciever Sep 23 22:38:04 so ok with nix Sep 23 22:38:09 orly ? Sep 23 22:38:38 N900's achilles heel Sep 23 22:39:25 try to make sure it's not been overclocked Sep 23 22:39:37 yeh that's the only thing im concerned about Sep 23 22:39:44 no way i'd know though really is there ? Sep 23 22:39:47 but I wonder how to do that, so maybe just try to get a good warranty Sep 23 22:40:09 only new ones i can find are £350+ Sep 23 22:40:16 dang Sep 23 22:40:32 are they already starting to go up? Sep 23 22:40:34 to be honest i've not really done alota searching outside of uk stores Sep 23 22:42:53 I guess quite a number of potential N900 owners now made up their mind and quit waiting for N9, when it became more and more clear N9 isn't a successor for N900 Sep 23 22:43:52 DocScrutinizer, amazon now has n900 for 600+ when it had them for 350 or so a while ago Sep 23 22:44:35 prices are yo-yo on amazon. Sep 23 22:45:53 i can imagine Sep 23 23:02:36 DocScrutinizer, do these battery test seem about right to you > http://www.ukmobilereview.com/2009/12/nokia-n900-battery-test-results/ Sep 23 23:06:14 nah, I get better results Sep 23 23:06:40 if i got second battery is it an easy swap ? Sep 23 23:06:59 something like 20s Sep 23 23:07:12 + bootup Sep 23 23:07:26 32GB microsd + battery added to list Sep 23 23:07:27 heh Sep 23 23:08:48 ~n900-power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Sep 23 23:08:49 okay, DocScrutinizer Sep 23 23:09:21 HyperSnyper: ^^^ Sep 23 23:09:43 thxs Sep 23 23:10:00 one other question Sep 23 23:10:03 * HyperSnyper hides Sep 23 23:10:29 got aload of media files mp3/xvid on a network share, not upnp though Sep 23 23:10:41 any experience with playback over network ? Sep 23 23:11:17 shared via samba from debian NAS Sep 23 23:11:31 should just work I think Sep 23 23:13:09 http://maemo.org/packages/ Sep 23 23:13:13 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=samba&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same Sep 23 23:13:47 true true could just use samba on phone aswell :D Sep 23 23:58:17 ~botsnack Sep 23 23:58:17 thanks, DocScrutinizer Sep 24 00:38:36 how do i update my n900 to the latest version? Sep 24 00:40:38 What version are you on att he moment? Sep 24 00:42:15 hmm how can i tell? Sep 24 00:43:52 settings about Sep 24 00:43:55 settings, scroll to the bottom, hit about product Sep 24 00:44:07 oh wait. it says here maemo 5 20.2010.36-2 Sep 24 00:44:14 version 20.2010 is current Sep 24 00:44:24 current Sep 24 00:44:49 is that the community ssu? i was told to upgrade to the community ssu Sep 24 00:45:10 ~cssu Sep 24 00:45:10 hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Sep 24 00:46:13 Told by who? Sep 24 00:48:12 by someone trying to help with my conversation-yim connection issue. i can't get my yim account to connect. gtalk works fine and i can connect to yim in pidgin Sep 24 00:48:19 but not in Conversation Sep 24 00:49:19 Well - yes - read that - it's possible it may help Sep 24 00:49:27 Some bugs have been fixed in cssu Sep 24 00:51:07 so i do need to upgrade? Sep 24 00:51:31 I don't know. There are some issues fixed by cssu Sep 24 00:51:37 I do not know if this is one o them **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:57 2011