**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 25 02:59:57 2011
Sep 25 03:21:25 <DocScrutinizer> dman, that's been scary! Charging didn't work anymore, actually t900 didn't detect D+/- short from fastcharger. Reboot didn't help. Removing battery for 3 minutes didn't help. Another charger didn't help. Device refused to take significant charging current (according to charger's control LED). So I plugged it in to PC t check what's up with the D+/- lines, and there it started charging. Back to wallwart charger it was all back to normal
Sep 25 03:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> already thought I lost my USB port
Sep 25 03:30:12 <GAN900> Weird
Sep 25 03:34:50 <DocScrutinizer> yoh
Sep 25 04:24:53 <internetishard> how do you fix a stuck vibrator again?
Sep 25 04:25:15 <internetishard> This happened before with my phone, but I forgot how I fixed it (you guys recommended some methods)
Sep 25 04:28:10 <DocScrutinizer> very sudden rotation of device along the axis of headset plug
Sep 25 04:28:26 <internetishard> while it is vibrating?
Sep 25 04:28:43 <DocScrutinizer> I thought it's not vibrating anymore
Sep 25 04:28:58 <internetishard> well
Sep 25 04:29:03 <internetishard> while it is hissing trying to
Sep 25 04:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, maybe try both
Sep 25 04:29:57 <DocScrutinizer> also gentle but firm tapping in up&down of landscape screen plane
Sep 25 04:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> with your finger tips, quite firmly
Sep 25 04:30:40 <DocScrutinizer> (don't hit the buttons though)
Sep 25 04:30:51 <DocScrutinizer> next step: disassembling
Sep 25 04:31:28 <DocScrutinizer> aah, and hold the device screen down while doing the "gym"
Sep 25 04:32:28 <DocScrutinizer> then screen upright landscape, and top down landscape
Sep 25 04:34:09 <internetishard> dood
Sep 25 04:34:16 <internetishard> was banging on it violently
Sep 25 04:34:25 <internetishard> started tapping all over the back really hard
Sep 25 04:34:31 <internetishard> and it started vibrating again
Sep 25 04:34:32 <internetishard> thanks
Sep 25 04:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Sep 25 04:34:40 <doc|home> I really thought this was a troll
Sep 25 04:34:41 <internetishard> dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request  com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternIncomingCall' I just leave this on
Sep 25 04:34:58 <internetishard> While I bang
Sep 25 04:35:08 <internetishard> Thanks doc|home
Sep 25 04:35:13 <doc|home> :D
Sep 25 04:35:29 <internetishard> Aight
Sep 25 04:35:32 <internetishard> Time to "go out"
Sep 25 04:35:38 <internetishard> anyone live in the bay area?
Sep 25 04:36:05 <DocScrutinizer> the trick is to kick the debris out of the way of vibra excenter
Sep 25 04:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> while ideally same time rotating the device so the excenter mass starts to rotate by mere inertia
Sep 25 04:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> axis of vibrator motor is along upper long side of device
Sep 25 04:45:26 <DocScrutinizer> internetishard: you can do preventive "cleaning" by holding device screen down and 45% tilt to show power button down, then gently knocking the backside and sliding kbd open and close 2 times while keeping the orientation. This should move small dust and debris out of the device
Sep 25 04:45:28 <internetishard> yeah, that worked last time I think
Sep 25 04:45:31 <internetishard> but this time it wasn't
Sep 25 04:45:36 <internetishard> so I started tapping in different directions
Sep 25 04:45:40 <internetishard> vs the axis
Sep 25 04:45:52 <internetishard> since I have no way of knowing which way something was lodged
Sep 25 04:46:19 <DocScrutinizer> do this several times a week and your vibra shouldn't get stuck
Sep 25 04:48:45 <DocScrutinizer> n900 actually is a dust magnet, due the the case being wide open on the whole area between lower (kbd) half and screen half
Sep 25 04:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> s/dust magnet/trash bin/
Sep 25 04:49:38 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: n900 actually is a trash bin, due the the case being wide open on the whole area between lower (kbd) half and screen half
Sep 25 05:12:37 <doc|home> sniff, and I'll be sad when my dines :(
Sep 25 05:12:40 <doc|home> er, dies
Sep 25 06:15:40 <Juozapas> hi is it possible to change soundtrack on media player? i have a movie with 2 languages
Sep 25 08:44:52 <CableTwitch> Y'ello!
Sep 25 08:44:58 <hiemanshu> Green
Sep 25 08:45:45 <CableTwitch> I have yet another intreguing Maemo/N900 based issue, that's baffling me AND Google. I come to tap the collective knowledge of you lot.
Sep 25 08:48:08 <CableTwitch> How exactly could said device repeatedly, and annoyingly, turn the screen on and off, as if the device were locked and unlocked using the slider? 
Sep 25 08:51:11 <psycho_oreos> was that meant to be a two parts question or phrased in a philosophical manner to confuse the average joe?
Sep 25 08:58:38 <CableTwitch> Psycho: Whatever it was meant to be, it evidently worked :O)
Sep 25 08:59:17 <psycho_oreos> huh.. I'm really confused
Sep 25 08:59:43 <CableTwitch> But yes. Device locking and unlocking the screen at random, usually in short fits. After that, it settles down again for a while. I doubt it's the screen cable, as opening and closing the screen doesn't cause the issue directly.
Sep 25 09:00:54 <CableTwitch> I'm pondering the idea that it COULD be either the mag-switch for the screen, or the physical slider contacts. But playing with both doesn't allieviate the issue.
Sep 25 09:01:15 <CableTwitch> So it's left me wondering if it's a software glitch, maybe?
Sep 25 09:01:44 <psycho_oreos> I'm guessing sometimes it could also be the settings which if one randomly taps the screen when the screen is not even on will activate the screen
Sep 25 09:02:32 <CableTwitch> Ahh, if it were simple taps, it would be good. I've placed the unit flat on a desk, and watched it switch the screen on randomly for a few minutes before.
Sep 25 09:03:07 <CableTwitch> Sometimes it's miliseconds between activations, others, seconds.
Sep 25 09:03:52 <psycho_oreos> is this with just a stock setup? and how is this related to Google? are you running nitdroid?
Sep 25 09:04:17 <CableTwitch> It baffles me.
Sep 25 09:04:53 <CableTwitch> Stock setup, with a few programs installed, none of which have ever caused this behavior before.
Sep 25 09:05:16 <CableTwitch> The relation to google is that it was singularly useless in finding any instances of this issue online.
Sep 25 09:05:36 <CableTwitch> And no, not nitdroid, plain old PR1.3 Maemo.
Sep 25 09:07:40 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Sep 25 09:07:48 <CableTwitch> See, I wonder if there is a possible glitch with the auto screen off part of it, that's getting confused.
Sep 25 09:08:24 <CableTwitch> That's the only other part of the device that can affect the screen in such a manner, without any physical input.
Sep 25 09:09:12 <psycho_oreos> personally I have never had this issue with the screen randomly coming on apart from initially with my spare N900 setup it used to react to finger pressing on the screen when the screen is not even active
Sep 25 09:09:55 <CableTwitch> I'm no linux guru. I'm barely a user. So hence why I ask the wise people in here.
Sep 25 09:10:59 <CableTwitch> Oh, powercycling seems to make precious little difference. It's done it after a few, so it's not something that's happened due to cosmic radiation randomly changing the screen lock status, or something.
Sep 25 09:13:03 <hiemanshu> maybe its spying on it
Sep 25 09:13:06 <psycho_oreos> heh I'm no guru either.. was this device you obtained brand new or second hand?
Sep 25 09:13:08 <hiemanshu> s/it/you/
Sep 25 09:13:09 <infobot> hiemanshu meant: maybe yous spying on it
Sep 25 09:14:20 <CableTwitch> This would be my 3rd unit... it could possibly be a reconditioned one manifesting an original problem, potentially.
Sep 25 09:15:29 <CableTwitch> In any case, is there a way, for a completely non-technical user like my useless self, to set a log of the screen state recording, to see what could be triggering it?
Sep 25 09:18:40 <psycho_oreos> hmm not easily, I'm guessing dbus may have some useful information but its not for beginners, needs some fine tuning to find locate the right triggers
Sep 25 09:21:23 <CableTwitch> Ideally, something to record the state of all 3 things that can mess with the screen (Maglock, slider, software auto-off) and show me which is responsible during the funny five minutes.
Sep 25 09:23:14 <CableTwitch> Right, going underground now, but if people could ruminate on this, and possibly suggest ideas when I return, I'd be grateful.
Sep 25 09:34:29 <vdv> hi all
Sep 25 09:34:43 <psycho_oreos> hi
Sep 25 09:34:57 <vdv> does anyone know, whether fbreader supports continious scrolling?
Sep 25 09:35:21 <vdv> i.e. it doesn't suddenly switch to the next page
Sep 25 09:35:37 <vdv> but scroll further to it
Sep 25 09:37:27 <Venemo> morning
Sep 25 09:37:36 <Venemo> is portraid mode HD added to CSSU yet?
Sep 25 09:37:39 <Venemo> MohammadAG ^^
Sep 25 09:40:01 <psycho_oreos> yes it has
Sep 25 10:04:11 <psycho_oreos> great.. in the persuit to solve CableTwitch's issue I got my device into bootloop, time to yet again thank robbiethe1st for having backupmenu already available :)
Sep 25 10:27:26 <CableTwitch> I return!
Sep 25 10:29:25 <psycho_oreos> I didn't get very far with getting to what you wanted with the logging
Sep 25 10:29:59 <CableTwitch> Not a problem, chap. I figure it'll take a lot of sleuthing.
Sep 25 10:30:18 <psycho_oreos> I found out which dbus signal deals with the screen but I tried tinkering with the actual program (which needless to say is part of a system process) and ended up bootlooping (semi-bricking) the device
Sep 25 10:30:53 <CableTwitch> Awesome. Managed to fix the unit yet? 
Sep 25 10:31:37 <psycho_oreos> I was lucky to have robbiethe1st's backupmenu installed and having created a backup of my setup not long ago in fact (maybe a day old)
Sep 25 10:31:55 <CableTwitch> A smart move indeed. 
Sep 25 10:32:24 <CableTwitch> I should do a backup on this thing, and maybe try a reflash. If nothing else, I can ensure everything is reset.
Sep 25 10:33:25 <psycho_oreos> anyhow the command I found was this: # dbus-monitor --system path=/com/nokia/mce/signal
Sep 25 10:33:25 <psycho_oreos> running as root user seems to be a necessity as mce logs it as system rather than session log
Sep 25 10:34:38 <CableTwitch> But that bricks it?
Sep 25 10:34:55 <psycho_oreos> no
Sep 25 10:35:13 <CableTwitch> Ahh, ok.
Sep 25 10:35:27 <CableTwitch> And that monitors the what, exactly?
Sep 25 10:35:41 <psycho_oreos> hacking away /etc/events.d/mce to make it dump information into a file semi-bricked the device
Sep 25 10:36:21 <CableTwitch> Ahh, ok. 
Sep 25 10:36:28 <psycho_oreos> it monitors mce signals, though you can see `path=/com/nokia/mce/signal', that's an extra parameter for dbus-monitor that you can specify to monitor for expressions
Sep 25 10:36:55 * CableTwitch just nods and smiles
Sep 25 10:37:13 <psycho_oreos> its kinda like grep from reading something out of dmesg really.. it only outputs relevant information out to the screen without showing you things that doesn't relate
Sep 25 10:37:19 <CableTwitch> I did mention I was linux syntax illiterate?
Sep 25 10:37:37 <psycho_oreos> heh not really but you can always start learning :)
Sep 25 10:37:58 <CableTwitch> belive me, now is really not a good time to start :O)
Sep 25 10:38:31 <psycho_oreos> btw backupmenu doesn't come with the device by default neither is it available in the nokia firmware images. Its only available if and when you enable extras-devel and install it
Sep 25 10:38:46 <CableTwitch> Righto.
Sep 25 10:39:10 <CableTwitch> Maybe I'll return tomorrow, and we can go over this moreso when I'm not half asleep.
Sep 25 10:39:17 <psycho_oreos> well, you gotta start sometime somewhere :) N900 is a linux based tablet and without learning ins and outs of linux, you may struggle getting more out of your device
Sep 25 10:39:41 <psycho_oreos> heh I might be around still, only time will tell afterall tomorrow is Monday
Sep 25 10:40:18 <psycho_oreos> s/tablet/device/
Sep 25 10:40:48 <psycho_oreos> infobot, ping
Sep 25 10:40:48 <infobot> ~pong
Sep 25 10:41:03 <psycho_oreos> s/based tablet/based device/
Sep 25 10:41:34 <CableTwitch> I have to admit, I didn't buy the N900 because it ran linux. I got it because it was a rather nice mini-tablet/phone
Sep 25 10:41:37 <psycho_oreos> search and replace regexp broke lol
Sep 25 10:42:29 <psycho_oreos> unfortunately the whole backend runs linux :) which is what makes it so powerful yet versatile
Sep 25 10:42:30 <CableTwitch> Yay. Device is doing it right now.
Sep 25 10:42:59 <CableTwitch> It's cutting out the keyboard too, so it's certainly not just the screen ribbon cable.
Sep 25 10:43:22 <CableTwitch> Something is definitely causing the device to lock and unlock at random.
Sep 25 10:43:39 <robbiethe1st> Are you doing anything high in IO?
Sep 25 10:44:21 <CableTwitch> Data connection via GPRS, xchat, nothing else.
Sep 25 10:45:30 <psycho_oreos> CableTwitch, just out of curiousity, can you pastebin (not paste) me the output of your maemo-list-user-packages?
Sep 25 10:46:00 <CableTwitch> If I knew how, maybe.
Sep 25 10:46:20 <CableTwitch> As I said, tomorrow would be a better time to actuallymess with the device.
Sep 25 10:46:24 <robbiethe1st> I'd suggest installing the system monitor applet; one that sits in the little tray up at the top
Sep 25 10:46:50 <robbiethe1st> also, first thing to install is rootsh.
Sep 25 10:47:29 <CableTwitch> I think that's already on.
Sep 25 10:48:07 <CableTwitch> I did something that needed it ages ago. Again, the wise wizards of ix in here talked me through it.
Sep 25 10:48:49 <psycho_oreos> sshd is also very ideal for most of us helpers :)
Sep 25 10:50:27 <robbiethe1st> heh. I rarely used that
Sep 25 10:50:35 <robbiethe1st> On-device terminal, however...
Sep 25 10:51:04 <robbiethe1st> (now I use sshd a lot more via sshfs... cause I broke my USB port and all)
Sep 25 10:51:10 <CableTwitch> I try to stay away from the parts that let me do damage.
Sep 25 10:51:38 <CableTwitch> Plus, aside from this phone, I don't use linux anywhere else.
Sep 25 10:51:51 <robbiethe1st> See, you've got *lots* to learn.
Sep 25 10:52:05 <robbiethe1st> Oh, and once you have flasher handy... you *can't* brick your device
Sep 25 10:52:09 <CableTwitch> Oh joy.
Sep 25 10:52:30 <CableTwitch> I've flashed the unit before. Upgrading the software, done that.
Sep 25 10:52:38 <robbiethe1st> OCing theoretically can, but it's rare.
Sep 25 10:52:46 <psycho_oreos> sshfs is a huge battery drain though when transferring large amounts of data
Sep 25 10:53:25 <CableTwitch> Right, other half is here, gotta go.
Sep 25 10:53:27 <robbiethe1st> No worse than a NFS share I think...
Sep 25 10:53:31 <CableTwitch> Laters all!
Sep 25 10:53:46 <robbiethe1st> Seriously; my machine got pretty warm when copying loads of data over NFS...
Sep 25 10:54:04 <vdv> isn't it possible to scroll line by line with volume buttons?
Sep 25 10:54:10 <vdv> in dorian :)
Sep 25 10:54:33 <robbiethe1st> They're just buttons, so a program can do whatever it wants.
Sep 25 10:54:55 <vdv> i'm talking about dorian reader
Sep 25 10:55:03 <robbiethe1st> ah
Sep 25 10:55:08 <robbiethe1st> I use Fbreader
Sep 25 10:55:23 <vdv> it scrolls couple of lines on one button press
Sep 25 10:55:42 <robbiethe1st> I have it set to scroll per-page on tap or button press... scrolling a few lines seems... odd
Sep 25 10:57:03 <vdv> i've used to continious line-by-line scroll of text
Sep 25 10:57:25 <vdv> like evince does for pdf for example
Sep 25 10:58:30 <SpeedEvil> line by line is very, very slow
Sep 25 10:58:41 <SpeedEvil> I can read faste than I can push the button
Sep 25 14:29:15 <pauly> hello all
Sep 25 14:29:33 <hiemanshu> hi
Sep 25 14:30:39 <Pauly2> i bought an n8 like 1month ago, anything interesting happen with maemo since then?
Sep 25 14:30:56 <hiemanshu> new CSSU
Sep 25 14:31:42 <Pauly2> anyone getting the n9
Sep 25 14:32:16 <Pauly2> symbian on n8 is boring but i like my camera
Sep 25 14:32:29 <hiemanshu> if they dont give me a proper release software for the N950, then yes
Sep 25 14:32:42 <hiemanshu> s/software/firmware/
Sep 25 14:32:43 <infobot> hiemanshu meant: if they dont give me a proper release firmware for the N950, then yes
Sep 25 14:33:01 <jacekowski> Pauly2: well, from my experience with it, it seems to be faster than maemo
Sep 25 14:33:40 <Pauly2> ya but idk i want to fix my n900 but instead im save $ up for n9
Sep 25 14:34:29 <Pauly2> is everyone supposed to move to meego irc or stay here idk?
Sep 25 14:35:40 <jacekowski> it looks like n9 will be DoA
Sep 25 14:36:13 <Pauly2> jacekowski: really
Sep 25 14:36:35 <SpeedEvil> n9 is not meego
Sep 25 14:36:40 <SpeedEvil> (as delivered)
Sep 25 14:36:46 <SpeedEvil> You may be able to run meego-ce on it
Sep 25 14:37:00 <hiemanshu> *may*
Sep 25 14:37:09 <Pauly2> ah
Sep 25 14:37:23 <SpeedEvil> It's been stated in various places it will be possible.
Sep 25 14:37:33 <SpeedEvil> But, ...
Sep 25 14:38:22 <Pauly2> i so confused, so i buy a netbook or tablet instead and keep my n8 lol
Sep 25 14:39:33 <SpeedEvil> Wait a few weeks.
Sep 25 14:39:36 <SpeedEvil> Things will clear up
Sep 25 14:40:20 <Pauly2> ya
Sep 25 14:41:12 <Pauly2> you all have the n950 isnt it just like n9 harmatten?
Sep 25 14:41:26 <SpeedEvil> It's not clear.
Sep 25 14:41:46 <SpeedEvil> There are a number of differences in the firmware between the n950 image available to the community, and the released n9
Sep 25 14:41:49 <Pauly2> you like the n950 though?
Sep 25 14:42:02 <Pauly2> i see
Sep 25 14:42:05 <SpeedEvil> Exactly what those differences are won't be clear until the n9 is actually in consumers hands.
Sep 25 14:42:19 <SpeedEvil> I like the hardware, mostly.
Sep 25 14:42:31 <SpeedEvil> The main issues I have with it are the keyboard.
Sep 25 14:43:12 <SpeedEvil> And the software side - the security infrastructure is annoying enough that if configured wrong, it may not allow meego- to boot
Sep 25 14:43:32 <SpeedEvil> And it also does not allow you to patch system software - at all - for bugfixes.
Sep 25 14:43:57 <Pauly2> its basiclly just like a testing device
Sep 25 15:00:10 <hiemanshu> SpeedEvil: whats wrong with keyboards?
Sep 25 15:00:12 <hiemanshu> -s
Sep 25 15:01:22 <SpeedEvil> hiemanshu: I don't like the flat keys
Sep 25 15:01:31 <hiemanshu> ah
Sep 25 15:01:51 <Pauly2> theres a meego netbook out already!
Sep 25 15:02:15 <hiemanshu> more than one
Sep 25 15:02:55 <Pauly2> really i only seen the eee pc
Sep 25 15:24:27 <merlin1991> my mirror of the maemo repositories is reaching 100gb oO
Sep 25 15:33:59 <vdv> should foxit reader work in easy debian?
Sep 25 15:34:25 <vdv> there's a linux version of it
Sep 25 15:37:49 <jacekowski> no
Sep 25 15:37:54 <ruskie> not likely since it's probably built for x86/x86-64
Sep 25 15:41:24 <SpeedEvil> merlin1991: wow
Sep 25 15:41:58 <merlin1991> I just added 50gb to the lv to be on the save side for the next few months :)
Sep 25 15:44:25 <merlin1991> it's going to be pita to move the server content when the current contract ends
Sep 25 15:45:45 <hatake_kakashi> mine is sitting on 136GB and that is with a fairly old mirror update
Sep 25 15:46:32 <MohammadAG> anyone wanna help me reverse my bus station/services' website?
Sep 25 15:46:38 <MohammadAG> I need an app to show timetables
Sep 25 15:46:48 <merlin1991> does yours include testing? I only mirror extras, devel and cssu
Sep 25 15:47:29 <hatake_kakashi> yeah mine includes testing, extras, devel, cssu, cssu-testing
Sep 25 15:48:31 <hatake_kakashi> though mine has at least 15 more other repositories (belonging to other domains) added, along with various maemo versions
Sep 25 15:49:20 <Pauly2> does anyone know how to fix the screen on n900 mines broke
Sep 25 15:49:37 <Pauly2> repair shop wants $200?
Sep 25 15:49:47 <MohammadAG> ZogG, ping
Sep 25 15:50:03 <RST38h> repair shop wants you gone
Sep 25 15:50:19 <hatake_kakashi> indeed
Sep 25 15:50:45 <MohammadAG> any Israelis online?
Sep 25 15:50:54 <MohammadAG> need to know if the damn post office's open this Tuesday :/
Sep 25 15:52:12 <Pauly2> any1 interested in fixing it for me?
Sep 25 15:52:24 <RST38h> guess
Sep 25 15:52:42 <MohammadAG> I would, but the screws suck and sometimes break
Sep 25 15:53:02 <Pauly2> lcd and the digitizer broke
Sep 25 15:53:08 <Pauly2> i dropped it
Sep 25 15:53:16 <MohammadAG> 80 bucks I guess
Sep 25 15:53:34 <MohammadAG> weird though, my N900 fell may times
Sep 25 15:53:42 <Pauly2> im in usa
Sep 25 15:54:04 <Pauly2> usb fell off also
Sep 25 15:54:46 <RST38h> Too late
Sep 25 15:57:48 <Pauly2> too late?
Sep 25 15:58:09 <RST38h> N900 is no longer produced and Nokia Care won't fix it for you
Sep 25 15:58:27 <Pauly2> i know
Sep 25 15:58:31 <RST38h> Get an iPhone.
Sep 25 15:58:35 <Pauly2> lol
Sep 25 15:58:38 <vdv> jacekowski, ruskie: ok, thanks
Sep 25 15:59:06 <MohammadAG> RST38h, tbh
Sep 25 15:59:12 <MohammadAG> after using the SGSII, N950 etc
Sep 25 15:59:16 <MohammadAG> the iPhone feels like a toy
Sep 25 15:59:36 <hatake_kakashi> iphone is a toy :)
Sep 25 16:00:50 <ruskie> less than a toy
Sep 25 16:01:14 <Pauly2> anyone has unlimited 3.5g data plan?
Sep 25 16:01:45 <Pauly2> my wife wants iPhone 5 coming out next month
Sep 25 16:02:18 <GAN900> AT&T's grandfathered plans.
Sep 25 16:02:41 <RST38h> Mohammad: ihone feels like a toy in any case
Sep 25 16:02:57 <RST38h> Mohammad: Android makes me claustrophobic, cannot multitask
Sep 25 16:02:58 <Pauly2> MohammadAG: can u fix usb?
Sep 25 16:03:14 <MohammadAG> no, I wouldn't even try
Sep 25 16:03:26 <MohammadAG> I'm no engineer
Sep 25 16:03:33 <GAN900> Yeah, there's just nothing like Maemo. :/
Sep 25 16:03:50 <RST38h> I can bring you a whole new N900, but it will cost you $700.
Sep 25 16:04:00 <MohammadAG> RST38h, wait, so what's the task manager thingy on the SGSII?
Sep 25 16:04:13 <MohammadAG> Android suspends tasks?
Sep 25 16:04:26 <RST38h> Mohammad: yep
Sep 25 16:04:33 <Pauly2> MohammadAG: i can take it to repair shop for usb, and maybe you can get screen :)
Sep 25 16:04:37 <RST38h> Mohammad: then kills them at random, as memory permits
Sep 25 16:04:58 <MohammadAG> Pauly2, might be cheaper to fix it all in the shop :P
Sep 25 16:05:03 <MohammadAG> I live half a planet from you
Sep 25 16:05:17 <MohammadAG> RST38h, that's... disturbing
Sep 25 16:05:21 <MohammadAG> I thought it always ran them
Sep 25 16:05:22 <Pauly2> android didnt have http uploads until 2.1
Sep 25 16:05:27 <Pauly2> its lame
Sep 25 16:05:33 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Not disturbing, natural
Sep 25 16:05:51 <RST38h> MohammadAG: The whole platform has been designed at the time of PalmOS and MIDP
Sep 25 16:06:21 <GAN900> It makes me laugh to think there's this whole generation of people who think iOS is some sort of incredible revolution.
Sep 25 16:06:25 <MohammadAG> I have a presentation at uni tomorrow
Sep 25 16:06:35 <MohammadAG> thinking about talking about the evolution of mobiles and stuff
Sep 25 16:06:57 <RST38h> GAN: That is only because Steve Jobs has told them so
Sep 25 16:07:08 <MohammadAG> GAN900, you can't deny that iOS did get the ball rolling for some things though
Sep 25 16:07:23 <RST38h> In the US, it did
Sep 25 16:07:32 <RST38h> In Europe, people hardly noticed
Sep 25 16:09:10 <GAN900> MohammadAG, to an extent.
Sep 25 16:09:28 <GAN900> But the way people worship it you'd think it were better than pre-sliced bread.
Sep 25 16:09:46 <GAN900> When it's really pretty fundamentally crappy compared to a real OS.
Sep 25 16:09:54 <MohammadAG> indeed
Sep 25 16:10:13 <RST38h> GAN: Don't you worry, another year or two and the bread will restore its public importance
Sep 25 16:10:42 <RST38h> ...along with other fundamentals 
Sep 25 16:11:50 <GAN900> It's gonna suck having to switch platforms.
Sep 25 16:12:36 <GAN900> It's too bad Nokia is screwing us over so hard that riding Harmattan out for another year isn't even looking particularly viable anymore.
Sep 25 16:16:38 <orfix> is there any device running maemo other than the N900 ?
Sep 25 16:16:45 <kerio> heh, i just realized that the mobile market in the US was (and still is) incredibly awful, compared to europe's
Sep 25 16:17:00 <kerio> and that's probably why iphoneos looks so amazing to americans
Sep 25 16:18:32 <hatake_kakashi> orfix, N800, N810, 770
Sep 25 16:19:39 <orfix> hatake_kakashi: ok, so the N900 is the most powerfull one.
Sep 25 16:20:07 <hatake_kakashi> orfix, obviously
Sep 25 16:20:37 <hatake_kakashi> well obviously for the public domain, there's N950 but that's not publicly available and N9 which is not even out yet
Sep 25 16:27:06 <GAN900> kerio, hey, consumers get options, they just don't care.
Sep 25 16:27:15 <GAN900> They'd rather get the "free" phones.
Sep 25 16:28:19 <orfix> is there any chance that the N8 could run maemo ?
Sep 25 16:28:26 <kerio> orfix: no
Sep 25 16:28:49 <orfix> because the N950 and N9 looks like running symbian too.
Sep 25 16:28:56 <hatake_kakashi> fail
Sep 25 16:29:01 <kerio> no they don't :\
Sep 25 16:29:44 <hatake_kakashi> if meego looks like symbian to you, then you need your eyes fixed
Sep 25 16:29:46 <orfix> kerio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6U8jH_apD2k
Sep 25 16:30:03 <kerio> yeah, that's meego
Sep 25 16:31:04 <orfix> kerio: ah ok (same icons as symbian)
Sep 25 16:31:08 <orfix> =$
Sep 25 16:33:09 <hatake_kakashi> same/similar icons as symbian does not equate to the device running symbian
Sep 25 16:33:52 <hatake_kakashi> you can get mango icons for N900 but would that make your N900 be running as mango OS? no it doesn't
Sep 25 16:36:15 <orfix> hatake_kakashi: are you upset ? =P
Sep 25 18:09:33 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Sep 25 18:14:38 <AndrewX192> The spammers are at it again. ugh.
Sep 26 02:39:49 <Zerocool> help
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